Donald Trump to become first president to speak at anti-LGBT hate group gathering

[Prowler]

"Homosexual conduct is harmful to the persons who engage in it and to society at large, and can never be affirmed,' say summit's host

Donald Trump is to address the annual conference of an anti-LGBT group which has been classified as a hate group.

The US president will become the first sitting president to address social conservative activists and elected officials at the Value Voters Summit in Washington DC on Friday.

President Trump has addressed the event which is hosted by the Family Research Council three times in total and did so last year as the Republican presidential candidate.

The Family Research Council opposes and actively lobbies against equal rights for LGBT persons. The conservative Christian group campaigns against same-sex marriage, same-sex civil unions, LGBT adoption, abortion, embryonic stell-cell research, pornography and divorce. "

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-anti-lgbt-address-hate-group-summit-meeting-first-president-us-homphobia-a7997401.html

So apparently "Da Donald" is up to his shenanigans yet again. Guess he needs a break from measuring dicks with his Korean buddy... see the irony in this yet?

Thoughts, American dromers?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Trump, although personally favouring traditional marriage, supports that same sex marriage will be legal throughout the country.

I don't see why some people would be against this, its not like he is siding with the opposition. And this is coming from someone who opposes Same Sex Marriage completely.

[Prowler]

Trump, although personally favouring traditional marriage, supports that same sex marriage will be legal throughout the country.

I don't see why some people are against this, its not like he is siding with the opposition.
I mean... this organisation appears to be classified as a hate group. It'd be like me saying I like black people and don't mind them having the same rights as I do, and then decide to speak at a Klan rally or something. Seems a bit odd, don't ya think? :lol:

[plastroncafe]

Trump, although personally favouring traditional marriage, supports that same sex marriage will be legal throughout the country.

I don't see why some people would be against this, its not like he is siding with the opposition. And this is coming from someone who opposes Same Sex Marriage completely.

I was already typing a rebuttal, then I saw the bit at the end.
Have a nice weekend!

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I mean... this organisation appears to be classified as a hate group. It'd be like me saying I like black people and don't mind them having the same rights as I do, and then decide to speak at a Klan rally or something. Seems a bit odd, don't ya think? :lol:

Not really in my opinion. Trump is in a position of power in that meeting and he doesn't have to cater to the group's views on a legal level.

My guess is he will probably tell them that he personally supports traditional marriage but it would be wrong to try and change the laws around marriage legally to restrict same sex couples, not because same sex marriage is necessarily moral, but because of freedom.

[Sumac]

Thoughts, American dromers?
Not American, but as someone from the country ruled for the last 20 years by thief and murderer, even I would've been appalled to have this whiny manchild as president.

[dl316bh]

Woof.

Hate groups should not be legitimized by visits from the President, but I can tell the bar has been lowered to the dirt, because I'm not surprised by this, not just because this is also the guy who both sides'd Charlottesville but this sort are a core part of his voters, so it's not shocking he's going to play to them.

[Candy Kappa]

Of course he is, it's Donald.

[IndigoErth]

So it's a known hate group that I saw get live coverage this afternoon (since there was plenty of shots of the audience clapping for him)? Nice... :tconfuse:

Didn't hear any anti-LGBT stuff out of him (unless I came in too late), but some of it was nonetheless irritating as a non-theist.

Though ultimately, despite his blabbering on, he didn't really say all that much in terms of substance. Mostly it sounded like he just put out a bunch of keywords/phrases for the people to clap at. Relatively pointless speech.


But I KNEW he'd start in on the fictional "war on Christmas" thing one of these days... And like everything else anymore, he couldn't wait until after Thanksgiving.


edit: Though he may get in trouble with some of his supporters for that "innocent Muslims" comment. lol

[plastroncafe]

Oh is THAT where the war on christmas calls started?
I've seen vaguebooks about that start popping up.

Nothing makes something less sacred than forcing people who don't wish to participate, into doing so. If folks want to keep their holiday Holy, then their holiday shouldn't be a Federal One recognized by the entire government.

45 made a huge mistake today by participating in this event.
But then, I'm not the slightest bit surprised, the guy who forgot who the president of the US Virgin Islands was...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Not surprising at all.

Trump gonna Trump.

[IndigoErth]

Oh is THAT where the war on christmas calls started?
I've seen vaguebooks about that start popping up.
Mhmm... Gotta play to the base, I suppose. Nothing does it better, I guess, than some good old fashioned us vs. them. (Despite in another comment claiming "we stand united." So said the Great Divider...) To the base (or at least part of it) who decided there was a "war" because they no longer liked that there have always been multiple, entirely harmless holiday greetings. *sigh*


the guy who forgot who the president of the US Virgin Islands was...
Yeah, I heard that, him saying he MET the president of the Virgin Islands. I sat there like :-?. Wow.

Maybe he saw a mirror. lol

[Katie]

I think it’s pretty amusing that he implies that he has any control over what holiday greeting someone uses.

The fact that he spoke there is disgusting. The fact that he does it in the name of Christianity disgusts and embarrasses me. I know that there are people who think its ok to force morality or legislate morality and do awful things in the name of religion, but damn. The text of Christianity basically says - Look, you guys live your lives civally and don’t hurt anyone. You let me judge who did the wrong thing. -

It isn’t up to anyone to judge what is morally right or wrong in another person. God said so. Leave it alone. Leave people alone. We got more in common than we have differences. Let peole live their lives, damnit!

I seriously feel like I don’t belong here anymore. Anywhere. I see all this hate and vitriol and divisive bullsh!t and it gives me physical pain. I don’t understand this world anymore for real.

[Sumac]

I seriously feel like I don’t belong here anymore. Anywhere. I see all this hate and vitriol and divisive bullsh!t and it gives me physical pain. I don’t understand this world anymore for real.
Welcome to the real world, kid.

On a serious note: I know what it's like.
In a way it's a result of the speed information travels today and because press and bloggers prefer to concentrate their attention on negative news, because, more people interested in disasters, murders and bad stuff, rather than on happiness and the like.

From every iron you are bombarded with news of death, hatred and stupidity. But you know what? Humanity always was like that. We just didn't knew about it, because there was no way to deliver such kind of information fast enough to everyone.

But. There is hope. The fact that we have survived and thrive as a civilization, despite all odds, despite endless wars, hatred and cretinism of people with power and without. The fact that we are here, today, proves, that there is much more love, compassion and understanding between people, than modern news make you believe.

This should give you hope to believe in the best and the power of not fictional deities (who have as much power as Harry Potter), but in power of goodness of humanity, which as stronger than its power of hatred.

[plastroncafe]

I totally agree the humanity isn't getting worse, it's pretty much staying the course it's always been on.

However it sucks to live amongst that.

[IndigoErth]

*nods*

Too often I regret having to be a member of it.

At times it has made me wonder, if the TMNT were real, what their thoughts on humans would really be, from the outside looking in while still existing (albeit secretively) within the same society and putting up with a lot of it.

I mean, how a species can be capable of such greatness and goodness and intelligence, and yet...can turn around and be so horrendous and idiotic. Wtf... If aliens are quietly watching, we're surly the best reality show in this region of the universe. :ohwell:

[sdp]

Can we just have a Donald Trump said/did *this* general thread instead? I mean these things happen nearly every day and they'll continue to happen for 3 more years if not 7 based on the way people haven't learned their lessons.

[PApagreg]

*nods*

Too often I regret having to be a member of it.

At times it has made me wonder, if the TMNT were real, what their thoughts on humans would really be, from the outside looking in while still existing (albeit secretively) within the same society and putting up with a lot of it.

I mean, how a species can be capable of such greatness and goodness and intelligence, and yet...can turn around and be so horrendous and idiotic. Wtf... If aliens are quietly watching, we're surly the best reality show in this region of the universe. :ohwell:

Eh depending on the iteration they realize that mutants, demons, aliens, time lords or any other sentient organism aren't any much better

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think it’s pretty amusing that he implies that he has any control over what holiday greeting someone uses.

The fact that he spoke there is disgusting. The fact that he does it in the name of Christianity disgusts and embarrasses me. I know that there are people who think its ok to force morality or legislate morality and do awful things in the name of religion, but damn. The text of Christianity basically says - Look, you guys live your lives civally and don’t hurt anyone. You let me judge who did the wrong thing. -

It isn’t up to anyone to judge what is morally right or wrong in another person. God said so. Leave it alone. Leave people alone. We got more in common than we have differences. Let peole live their lives, damnit!

I seriously feel like I don’t belong here anymore. Anywhere. I see all this hate and vitriol and divisive bullsh!t and it gives me physical pain. I don’t understand this world anymore for real.

You and I both know humanity doesn't get better. That's not the endgame, regardless of specific interpretation. :tlol:

But I hear ya. And people thought George W Bush was embarrassing...

[Sumac]

However it sucks to live amongst that.
Well, look around and think of good and kind people out there. It helps.
Besides, what choice do we have? Non-existence, because, of idiots and greedy parasites or trying to live and maybe make a world a little bit better?

One thing to remember - you can not singlehandedly change the world overnight. That is a mistake that many "keyboard-progressives" make in their world view.

You and I both know humanity doesn't get better. That's not the endgame, regardless of specific interpretation.
Actually it does.
Regardless of your personal opinion, objectively we live in the most peaceful time in the history of the human civilization.

If it was not for the global informational stream, you might have thought that we have already achieved paradise on Earth.

[dl316bh]

Regardless of your personal opinion, objectively we live in the most peaceful time in the history of the human civilization.
Seriously. We all forget, because we've only ever known a peaceful Europe post-WWII and it's probably been years for most of us since history class, but that region really, really liked shooting each other. The hundreds of years prior to the EU are marked by consistent patterns of war.

On top of that, we've come a long, long way as a species, socially. Let's not forget there were times in human history when groupings of human beings thought raping and pillaging was totally rad. The last twenty or thirty years in particular have seen a lot of rapid advances in regards to a lot of things, too.

That said, I totally understand how easy it is to lose perspective, sometimes. It's happened to me too on occasion over the past year.

Mostly it sounded like he just put out a bunch of keywords/phrases for the people to clap at. Relatively pointless speech.
That's been him at any gathering since he was sworn in, basically. He does these things, I think, because it's a comfort and seems to be the only part of the job, election to now, he actually likes. Trump's a showman, after all.

[Spike Spiegel]

That's been him at any gathering since he was sworn in, basically. He does these things, I think, because it's a comfort and seems to be the only part of the job, election to now, he actually likes. Trump's a showman, after all.

And Trump knows that when you talk to them the right way, those voters on the religious right give it up so sweet...

He doesn't even have to grab anything.

[TurtleWA]

Regardless of your personal opinion, objectively we live in the most peaceful time in the history of the human civilization.

This seems like an interesting subject to learn more about. How are peaceful times measured? Links?

[Sumac]

This seems like an interesting subject to learn more about. How are peaceful times measured? Links?
Learn history + Use head = profit.

Most of the history of humanity was one war after another of big nations and empires against each other. We haven't those since WWII. And, arguably there were no big political changes, since crumble of USSR. Most of the modern changes in political landscape are consequences of it.

Local conflicts, of course, continue to exist, but their impact and size are not up to big wars of the past.

[TurtleWA]

Learn history + Use head = profit.

Most of the history of humanity was one war after another of big nations and empires against each other. We haven't those since WWII. And, arguably there were no big political changes, since crumble of USSR. Most of the modern changes in political landscape are consequences of it.

Local conflicts, of course, continue to exist, but their impact and size are not up to big wars of the past.

So basically...No world wars=most peaceful time in the history of the human civilization? I'm not challenging your definition just trying to understand it clearly.

[IndigoErth]

Eh depending on the iteration they realize that mutants, demons, aliens, time lords or any other sentient organism aren't any much better
Fair enough, I suppose. If it's a sentient species, then it's probably in some way or another a bunch of jerks. lol

But how much would those Turtles facepalm at humanity... lol


Give if a few more years and half the country (or by then, more) will be purple as it is from doing it so much over Trump.

[Sumac]

So basically...No world wars=most peaceful time in the history of the human civilization? I'm not challenging your definition just trying to understand it clearly.
Well, basically yes.
Add to that advancements in civil rights.