Loud House Creator Chris Savino Suspended After Harrasment Claims

[ZariusTwo]

He also threatened to blacklist anyone who broke up with him after a consensual realtionship:o

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/nickelodeon-suspends-loud-house-creator-chris-savino-numerous-harassment-claims-exclusive-154068.html

[Leofan26]

Wonder what this will do for the series itself.

[plastroncafe]

Wow, that guy sounds like a winner.

[Spike Spiegel]

I've heard of him before, but I never knew this guy had a comic strip about cartoon cat incest:

https://memestatic.fjcdn.com/pictures/Eddie_0f9605_6214223.jpg


4Chan is clearly the place to go when stories like this break.

[Papenbrook]

Wow, that guy sounds like a winner.

What do you mean?

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Jeez, this whole thing is just ... hurting me. :(

I know that society's corrupted, but still. All of these allegations/crimes shook/shock me to the core. :cry:

[Autbot_Benz]

What do you mean?

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Jeez, this whole thing is just ... hurting me. :(

I know that society's corrupted, but still. All of these allegations/crimes shook/shock me to the core. :cry:

https://i.imgur.com/QADLav6.gif

[Papenbrook]

Wonder what this will do for the series itself.

I'm worried about the victims/innocent people involved. I can't imagine what they're going through. It must be painful.

I wish them well.

[Sumac]

I know that society's corrupted, but still. All of these allegations/crimes shook/shock me to the core. :cry:
It was like this for the whole history of human civilization.
Welcome to real world.

[IndigoErth]

Well he's a real piece of work. The harassment is bad enough, but to harm someone's career or threaten it as well?? WOW. WTF.

I hope his own is over, it's time for him to move on.

[sdp]

You have to be careful with 4chan as they can get a lot of content out of context to go along with their witch chase which might just be to ruin someones life.

In fact this story broke on 4chan earlier this year from a person trying to dispel rumors of someone from Disney that 4chan wanted to label as a creep and he mentioned there were real bad guys in the industry like savino.

I've heard of him before, but I never knew this guy had a comic strip about cartoon cat incest:

https://memestatic.fjcdn.com/pictures/Eddie_0f9605_6214223.jpg


4Chan is clearly the place to go when stories like this break.

[ProactiveMan]

I am disturbed by how easy it is for the corporate entities involved to come out of these situations with clean hands. They rightly blame the individuals involved, but stop short of taking any responsibility for the environment they have cultivated. Nick will cut this guy loose and release a statement condemning his behaviour and making some vague value statements, but they probably won’t admit to the failure of their HR department, or management to make it clear that employees and contractors cannot act this way.

HR is just to be an arm of finance these days. Their primary responsibility seems to be saving money; squeezing as much work as possible out of as few employees as they can get away with, and being reactive when they catch a whiff of bad PR.

[Papenbrook]

I am disturbed by how easy it is for the corporate entities involved to come out of these situations with clean hands. They rightly blame the individuals involved, but stop short of taking any responsibility for the environment they have cultivated. Nick will cut this guy loose and release a statement condemning his behaviour and making some vague value statements, but they probably won’t admit to the failure of their HR department, or management to make it clear that employees and contractors cannot act this way.

HR is just to be an arm of finance these days. Their primary responsibility seems to be saving money; squeezing as much work as possible out of as few employees as they can get away with, and being reactive when they catch a whiff of bad PR.

I agree. Employers need to create a better working environment for all employees.

In other words, they need to accommodate them.

[Katie]

I have to put this disclaimer in and then I will respond: sexual harassment is gross and I do not think it’s ok. I have been through it. Most women have. Not condoning.


Ok, now that that is out of the way, what exactly do you think a business should do to accommodate its employees? What if one employee wants a special accommodation that causes a hardship for another one? A perfect non-threatening example from my office is the air conditioning. A couple if the ladies asked that the temperature be raised because they were cold. Changing the temperature in the office is a convoluted process that involves forms, but they got it done. Everyone else in the building is now uncomfortable and hot so that the building services folks could accommodate these two ladies. Is that ok? I want to not be burning up all the time. Why can’t they wear a sweater or have a lap blanket? Are their feelings more valid than everyone else’s?

It’s really easy to just say everyone should always be made to feel super safe and fuzzy all the time, but in real world practice, it’s impossible.

[plastroncafe]

Is Your Thermostat Sexist? (https://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/is-your-thermostat-sexist/amp)

It begins, quite literally, with a man in a business suit. In 1966, the American Society of Heating, Refrigerating, and Air-Conditioning Engineers (ashrae) created Standard 55, a set of guidelines for indoor climate regulation. The standard, which has been updated periodically over the decades, relies in particular on a pair of numbers. The first number is known as the metabolic equivalent of task (met) and expresses the energy cost of a given physical activity—operating a cash register, for instance. It was originally derived from studies of a forty-year-old, hundred-and-fifty-four-pound man. At rest, this Adam of metabolic equivalency expended 1.0 met. The second essential number quantifies the thermal insulation of clothing according to something called the clo scale. A men’s business suit, plus the usual undergarments, footwear, and accessories, registers a 1.0 on that scale. In designing and operating a building’s climate systems, engineers and facilities managers are meant to consider how active workers will be and how they are likely to dress. An auto-repair shop, for example, where technicians wear coveralls and lug around exhaust manifolds (high clo, high met), requires more cooling and ventilation than a surf shop, where clerks stand around in board shorts and flip-flops (low clo, low met).

What if you’re not a forty-year-old, hundred-and-fifty-four-pound man in a business suit? What if you’re a woman? According to a study that appears Monday in the journal Nature Climate Change, you’re probably cold. For the study, Boris Kingma and Wouter van Marken Lichtenbelt, a pair of researchers at Maastricht University, in the Netherlands, asked sixteen young women to enter a climate chamber one by one. Each of the participants wore underwear, sport socks, a cotton T-shirt, and cotton-polyester sweatpants, for a grand total of about 0.58 on the clo scale. (They also wore fourteen coin-sized wireless skin-temperature sensors.) This outfit, Kingma told me, was not meant to simulate what a woman might wear to work, although a typical summer office getup—say, a lightweight blouse and pants—is even less insulating. The women sat behind a desk in a standard office chair (add another 0.10 clo of gluteal insulation) as the chamber fluctuated between warm and cool. They were asked to indicate at various points how comfortable they felt, from -3 (cold) to +3 (hot) on the ashrae scale.

I post this because I find it interesting, and yes I'm well aware that the title is more than a bit clickbaity.

There is no way to make everyone happy, but there's usually a way to make a lot of people comfortable.

I would be curious to know what the dress code at your place of employment is. Because one way to help with this situation would be allowing people who are too warm to augment what they wear to work.

Surely a dude in a wool suit is going to be able to handle a far cooler temperature than a woman who is required to wear a dress to work.

And sometimes being cold isn't just a matter of putting a blanket on your lap.
My previous office building had an air conditioner that Reddit 55 degrees all year round. And because I sat next to it I was always 55 degrees all year round.

In the summer it was easy to manage I would open the window and let the air conditioning go outside.
But in the winter I had gloves a hat and a scarf on at my desk.

[Sumac]

It’s really easy to just say everyone should always be made to feel super safe and fuzzy all the time, but in real world practice, it’s impossible.
In normal environment people should be able to find some kind of consensus, like an adult thinking people.
I agree, you can not make everyone comfortable and feel good at the same time, some people will be left unsatisfied and for those there are 2 options: leave or tolerate.

Of course, it does not pertain to the cases of harassment - those should never be tolerated.

[IndigoErth]

I'd never be the sort to file a complaint or try to change the temperature, I'd just dress warmer or keep a sweater at work. Although cool is one thing, and manageable, but too cold sucks though. I'd still never try to make the place accommodate me, but if it was computer work or something else very hands on and detailed and gloves just aren't possible (which sounds absurd anyhow)...always trying to do it with cold, stiff hands would be both uncomfortable, and for so many hours a week, and affect my productivity. :ohwell:




Anyway... I feel for Nick, but if anything of this was known for a long time but ignored, then I hope anyone accountable to that is held to it. When reaching for dreams jobs, such as working at Nick and its animation studios, etc., no one should ever have to worry about, nor even think about, this kind of crap affecting their work environment, job opportunities, or career advances should they accept a position there! :tmad: If they don't ditch him for good, it could be a loss of some future talented employees/artists they could have had.

[TigerClaw]

With all the sexual harassment claims going around the industry, be thankful that non of it has ever happened during the production of any TMNT series.

[PApagreg]

This image seems to taken a darker turn in hindsight
https://78.media.tumblr.com/334de0959b55e2baea14d20565f1a43d/tumblr_oy2iu7aB151rvyrsao1_400.jpg

[Katie]

Is Your Thermostat Sexist? (https://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/is-your-thermostat-sexist/amp)



I post this because I find it interesting, and yes I'm well aware that the title is more than a bit clickbaity.

There is no way to make everyone happy, but there's usually a way to make a lot of people comfortable.

I would be curious to know what the dress code at your place of employment is. Because one way to help with this situation would be allowing people who are too warm to augment what they wear to work.

Surely a dude in a wool suit is going to be able to handle a far cooler temperature than a woman who is required to wear a dress to work.

And sometimes being cold isn't just a matter of putting a blanket on your lap.
My previous office building had an air conditioner that Reddit 55 degrees all year round. And because I sat next to it I was always 55 degrees all year round.

In the summer it was easy to manage I would open the window and let the air conditioning go outside.
But in the winter I had gloves a hat and a scarf on at my desk.

We have a pretty liberal dress code for a bank because we are not customer facing, but tank tops and sleeveless are not allowed and skirts and bottoms must be no higher than mid- calf. But denim and stuff like that is ok. Our windows don’t open and we are on the west side of the building, so after 1:00 or so we als get direct sun into the office. It’s miserable. Also this is Alabama. It is routinely over 100 F in the summer here.

Problem is, you can put more clothes on. Can’t take more off after a cerrian point. Temp in the office was 72. Now is 78. No one but these two complained at 72.

[plastroncafe]

We have a pretty liberal dress code for a bank because we are not customer facing, but tank tops and sleeveless are not allowed and skirts and bottoms must be no higher than mid- calf. But denim and stuff like that is ok. Our windows don’t open and we are on the west side of the building, so after 1:00 or so we als get direct sun into the office. It’s miserable. Also this is Alabama. It is routinely over 100 F in the summer here.

Problem is, you can put more clothes on. Can’t take more off after a cerrian point. Temp in the office was 72. Now is 78. No one but these two complained at 72.

78?! Holy crap!
Okay, I realize that being from New England had acclimated me to a weird set of temperature norms, but that's way to effing hot for inside of a building.

I can see going from 72 to 75, but 78?
Oh HELL no.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

My apartment has been between 76-78 for over a month and a half now. No AC at all, as it went out in late August. Still has not been fixed. We open the windows and run ceiling fans which helps a bit.

[IndigoErth]

Temp in the office was 72. Now is 78. No one but these two complained at 72.
That was cold to them? Cripe, where are they from, the Sahara Desert?

[sdp]

and yes I'm well aware that the title is more than a bit clickbaity.

But don't you see the title is a huge problem? Here we have a rather important topic that is rather complicated with no easy solution and articles like this only help polarize people before they even click it for the sake of clicks.

The wording of the article could also be better though it does a decent job, other articles however can be extremely one-sided and null the point for a majority besides the ones looking for confirmation bias.

what exactly do you think a business should do to accommodate its employees? What if one employee wants a special accommodation that causes a hardship for another one?

This is the real issue here which no #metoo hashtags are going to help in.

[plastroncafe]

But don't you see the title is a huge problem?

No, not really.

[sdp]

Can't say I expected otherwise.

[Papenbrook]

... and he's been fired.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/10/19/loud-house-chris-savino-no-longer-nickelodeon-sexual-harassment-allegations/

[DestronMirage22]

... and he's been fired.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/10/19/loud-house-chris-savino-no-longer-nickelodeon-sexual-harassment-allegations/

I feel for fans of the show. But that man deserved it.

[Papenbrook]

I've been contemplating on whether I should post this, as it contains some sensitive material. However, when it comes to topics that are as serious as this, I feel that this needs to be known/heard.

WARNING: The following contains sensitive material. It may not be safe for work. Viewer discretion is advised. Proceed with caution.

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/new-accusations-creator-nickelodeons-loud-house-allegedly-offered-animation-work-exchange-sexual-favors-154152.html

(To the moderators and any other forum members: If any of you find this post inappropriate, or are otherwise uncomfortable with this post, I will delete it.)

[Spike Spiegel]

I've been contemplating on whether I should post this, as it contains some sensitive material. However, when it comes to topics that are as serious as this, I feel that this needs to be known/heard.


http://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/new-accusations-creator-nickelodeons-loud-house-allegedly-offered-animation-work-exchange-sexual-favors-154152.html

(To the moderators and any other forum members: If any of you find this post inappropriate, or are otherwise uncomfortable with this post, I will delete it.)



I found that post to be quite offensive, especially after reading the article and going over every salacious detail for educational purposes.

They really shouldn't allow for stories like that to be shared. The Internet is no place for such...filth.

[ProactiveMan]

But don't you see the title is a huge problem? Here we have a rather important topic that is rather complicated with no easy solution and articles like this only help polarize people before they even click it for the sake of clicks.

The temperature of office spaces? That's about as important a topic as which way around the toilet paper should hang.

[IndigoErth]

As someone who'd always kind of wished to legitimately work in animation, Nick is one of those top places a nothing like me could really only ever dream of. Was there any chance in hell of getting into those doors, that is angering and appalling that someone like that guy was sitting in that place and doing the crap that letter talks about. To mistreat people and screw with their career choices like that, by either threatening to get them blacklisted as the previous article said, or make someone AVOID taking a excellent opportunity for their career because he's there...

If a hell were real, there would certainly be a special place in it for him.

[ZariusTwo]

Cartoon Brew have since been trying to guilt fans and people still working on the show, saying that supporting a show inspired by the life of a sexual predator amounts to an untenable situation. When fans spoke out on their comments section, the 'Brew promptly started deleting anyone's voice that was critical of their attempts to shame anyone still finding enjoyment and creativity out of the show.

https://neweraoutlaw.deviantart.com/journal/A-Death-Knell-for-the-Loud-House-Part-3-710813574

[PApagreg]

Cartoon Brew have since been trying to guilt fans and people still working on the show, saying that supporting a show inspired by the life of a sexual predator amounts to an untenable situation. When fans spoke out on their comments section, the 'Brew promptly started deleting anyone's voice that was critical of their attempts to shame anyone still finding enjoyment and creativity out of the show.

https://neweraoutlaw.deviantart.com/journal/A-Death-Knell-for-the-Loud-House-Part-3-710813574

Amid being P.O.S isn't really surprising but its an extra layer of dumb if he thinks cancelling a successful show is a good idea just because its creator is a shitbag not only are you going to disappoint the fans but a lot of people are going to lose their jobs becuase of the cancellation. Ending the show word do more harm than good but Amid wants to act like a virtue signaling douche.

[Sumac]

Amid being P.O.S isn't really surprising but its an extra layer of dumb if he thinks cancelling a successful show is a good idea just because its creator is a shitbag not only are you going to disappoint the fans but a lot of people are going to lose their jobs becuase of the cancellation. Ending the show word do more harm than good but Amid wants to act like a virtue signaling douche.
Talking about "separating creators and creations".

[IndigoErth]

Nah, if it is a hit for Nick as I've heard, don't end it just because of this one assbag. Even if he did come up with it... just wash the hands of him and continue without him. He won't have any say in the future of it or what they choose to do with it, it's ultimately Nick's show. Even a cruddy person can still have at least one good idea. Take it and run with it and let it be his loss thanks to his choices. (He just better not make another cent from it in the future...)

[sdp]

I've never watched the show, is it good? I've seen so many people complain about this show I had never heard about on twitter.

I did see that CartoonBrew was blocking anyone who disagreed, such a lame and proven unsuccessful method, it only makes people go against you. If the show is successful I doubt they'll cancel it, and if Chris Savino was really that big part of the show the show will fail without him anyway without any boycott.

Separating the artist from the art is really subjective, I can do it for many things but there's a few exceptions and that's the same way for most people no matter how much they say they can do it or can't. I mean we all have to deal with it because we're all human and make stupid decisions, we wouldn't enjoy anything if we judged the person that's doing this fun enjoyable stuff.

[ZariusTwo]

Savino has publicly apologized

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/fired-nickelodeon-showrunner-apologizes-sexual-harassment-allegations-surface-1051107

[plastroncafe]

It's even a decent apology.
I'm kind of impressed!

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, at least better than some others in the past.


Only part that bugs me is the whole "never my intention" thing. Come on... if you're an adult human being, there are some things you shouldn't have to be told. Respect and boundaries is one of them. Where did you miss that lesson, Mr. Savino?

[PApagreg]

I've never watched the show, is it good? I've seen so many people complain about this show I had never heard about on twitter.

I personally thought it was good, it has a few gross out humor here and there but I personally think its a solid series