Watching through Nick 2k12 completely for the first time

[sdp]

My watch through of TMNT 2012 has been archived here.
(http://miscrave.com/articles/tmnt-2012)
I made a similar thread (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=32358) a few years ago for the 2k3 show and later for the OT (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=35933) so now it's time to watch the Nick show for the "first time", technically the other shows I wasn't watching for the first time, only first time completely and that's the case here as well, I watched the first two seasons but the constant hiatuses made me stop after the first or second episode of season 3 and decided to wait until the show finished before watching it all. I wasn't crazy about it when it aired, I didn't hate it but I didn't like it as much as most people here, so let's see if that opinion changes. I also plan to watch the 2007 movie and see if I can somehow shoehorn it together as happening later.

I'm spoiler free besides two things which I'm not even sure if they remained real, and that's because thread titles with spoilers show up on the main forums, I never actively searched for spoilers, so please no spoilers. Like in the other threads I'll be posting my comments and questions and hopefully others join in like the other time. I'll probably be posting only once I finish a season, maybe halfway through a season if I have lots to say which is how I did it the last two times. I'm a bit busy but I'll try to watch as much as I can every day, at least 2 episodes.

So far I watched the first 2 episodes and random thoughts:

The episodes are title Rise of the Turtles, hmm..

They start featuring the turtles which is not how it was done in the other two shows, I guess it works ok since we get to have a lot of turtle action from the beginning but I prefer the classic April finding them. I forgot they changed the origin to having Splinter buying the turtles and meeting the Kraang, seems like a pointless change in the origin, hopefully it makes more sense later if not then yeah it was pointless.

I forgot how empty the City feels, and how lifeless some characters look, when it's the Kraang its fine since it gives them this creepy look but having April's dad reek of uncanny valley isn't good. The theme song is awesome, especially counting that these days most shows at best get a 20 second intro. Snakeweed is such a boring/lame villain to begin with though, I've chuckled a few times at the jokes, enjoying it so far.

[Vegita-San]

i thought the design of aprils father was ok, but just how it was rendered, didn't look good. also notice how they reuse the same locations, for obvious reasons.

I too, started to rewatch this show, to see if my opinion of it changed WITHOUT the constant breaks. But I stopped somewhere along season 2 and havn't picked it up again.



Maybe on day I'll get back to it.

[newfan]

I forgot they changed the origin to having Splinter buying the turtles and meeting the Kraang
I suppose it could seem that way to some, maybe they didn't want Yoshi to start out in the sewers this time so they saved it for after his mutation.

I like the theme song, and the closing instrumental.

[CyberCubed]

They add more people to the streets around the later half of Season 1.

I've been doing my rewatch since the last week of September and I'm now in mid-Season 4. I've watched 3-4 episodes a day. That's how you marathon shows. I can't believe I've already nearly rewatched the entire series in just a little over a month.

[Tarris Vaal]

I think its fair to say that you can forgive details like the emptier streets and the slightly off animation in early seasons - its a budget and technology limitation at the end of the day and not really something they could necessarily do much about.

And the animation does improve over time - especially human characters like April and her dad.

[CyberCubed]

The animation definitely got a huge boost in Seasons 3 and 4, I noticed it immediately in my rewatch.

Season 1 and 2 still look good though. But yeah, April's father always seemed a bit "off" in his design. Something about his face/head, but I guess it doesn't matter.

[sdp]

Well I watched the first half of season 1, I thought I remembered this show having mid season finales but I guess I was wrong. So far I'm enjoying it a lot, much more than when I first watched it, I don't know if its because my expectations were really high or I just couldn't deal with some of the changes and now I know what I'm getting. Like the Kraang used to bother me since I expected Utroms or real Krang not this but I guess they solved that problem later. It was also not as good as 2k3 which didn't help things and neither did all the praise, it's good but not the greatest TMNT revival since the OT.

I forgot how the show almost always takes place at night, it's kind of cool that despite the cartoony style that it keep a dark tone in the setting at least. The first episodes are not good in telling you what the show will be about since its mutant after mutant and it would let you think the whole show would be mutant of the week and boy did spiderbite and snakeweed suck as mutants.

The change between Foot and Krang is cool and keeps it fun. I loved Bradford and Xever, I was bummed that and it sucked that Xever never got an episode alone being the ultimate badass before teaming up with Bradford. I also hated that they mutated them so quickly but I liked their mutated forms as well as Dogpound and Fishface. What I forgot is how this show suffers from Villain decay, one episode Bradford is the ultimate bad guy and then the turtles can defeat him easily later and so on, this includes Dogpound after his first appearance.

I forgot the turtles had double weapons and that this was a controversy before the show started, it seems only Mikey uses the bladed chains though, I can't recall what other special weapons the others have. Don't care for Shredder being burnt, always felt cliche. Splinter is not great so far, he's ok.

April is handled poorly so far, I mean she doesn't have as big of a role in the origin as in other incarnations and then she disappears and is magically their best friend when she shows up again. We never saw that relationship get to that point, it felt very odd.

I remember hating Baxter Stockman in this incarnation but while not great he's fine. I loved Ratking, they could've been a bit more subtle with his origin but I liked him. I love the Teen Titans-esque things they do and they don't over do them so its cool.

The CG looks awful though, some things look fine like the turtles but some other character models look really bad, and there's no excuse Clone Wars was already miles better as were other shows on TV, it seems odd Nick didn't invest more on the CG when it was their flagship franchise to show off. Can't wait to finish the season.

[CyberCubed]

The CG looks awful though, some things look fine like the turtles but some other character models look really bad, and there's no excuse Clone Wars was already miles better as were other shows on TV, it seems odd Nick didn't invest more on the CG when it was their flagship franchise to show off. .

Really? Outside some human character faces like April's Dad I think the CG animation still looks fine. Are you watching in HD? And not some blurry youtube videos?

Make sure to watch in the best quality if you can.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

For some reason, I prefer the stiff and quick animation of season 1 as opposed to the smoother animation of later seasons.

Not to say the newer animation was bad, we all definetly agree it was great and even breath-taking at times, butI found the older animation to have a unique charm to it.

[CyberCubed]

I think the only CG animation that looks dated is on some of the human pedestrians who walk around the city, but they're just background characters so it doesn't matter.

All the mutants, main cast, aliens, etc. look good. And good thing most of the Kraang with human skins are robots so they're intended to look "bland," lol.

[sdp]

I'm perfectly fine with the CG, I'm just making the comparisons because it is noticeable. I don't mind it. I believe I'm watching in 720, it's not the resolution the character models just don't look as good as other stuff that was around at that same time, not comparing it with 2017 stuff either.

The empty streets are creepy but it kind of works and I guess you can say those adventures happen at 3 am or something. April's school being completely empty does look really odd. Not a fan of April as mentioned so far, also I like Donnie but I think in both the OT and 2k3 he is easily the best turtle even if not my favorite character but so far here he isn't the "best" all around turtle. So far I'd say Leo/Mikey are getting the best episode moments.

[sdp]

Just finished the first season and had a blast doing so, I definitely enjoyed it more than my first time I saw it. I still don't think it deserves all the praise this season got but it's a nice cartoon even if lacking the charm of the OT or the thrills of 2k3 during its they're first seasons.

Man Dogpound becoming so useless so quickly was such a horrible decision to make, no wonder people didn't take Fishface/Dogpound as replacements to Rocksteady and Beebop, they became jokes without being fun like R&B. Hun suffered some villain decay but not as bad, he was still a threat even at the end of the show.

NYC being so alone in some episodes definitely felt off.

I liked the Shredder/Kraang alliance, its something we never got to see how it formed in the ot.

I like that their eyes turn white, that's something that the 2007 film did in the trailer but then didn't in the film.

I liked most of the original characters they came up with, the only exceptions were Snakeweed and Spiderbites. Snakeweed's second appearance didn't make me like it more, but all other mutants were cool, I especially loved the Newtralizer and the cockroach was cool as well, I hope they appear later. Filler episodes like the one where the mutant hornet or whatever infects everyone was cool as well.

Karai is a huge let down for the most part and the most interesting parts about her where things that 2k3 had already done better. The Splinter/Shredder relationship is new and interesting but so far not handled excellent

April is a horrible character and the reason for the Kraang needing her was dumb and a cheap way to make her relevant to the plot. I would've preferred the route of Kraang only wanting smart scientists. I do like that Splinter was training her but even then how did she beat Karai on her first fight?

I want to know more about the Kraang but I guess we find out more later so I don't want spoilers.

Now to season 2.

[CyberCubed]

Nick's Karai is much better than the 2k3 one. The Miwa subplot is the best thing the show came up with. I also like April a lot personality wise, she's the best utilized April of the 3 cartoons. The original was a damsel in distress too often, and 2k3 April just faded into the background as the show progressed because the writers found it difficult to involve her in the Turtles adventures.

The ep where Karai and April fight each other was one of my favorites of the season. Also where on earth did you get she beat her? Karai kicked April's ass the first time they met. And she barely held her own in the rematch.

[sdp]

Finished the first half of season 2, going a lot faster than I thought I would which is good since I'll be fairly busy in a few weeks so I want to finish the show before then.

Does Shredder know where the turtles live? We've seen the turtles attacked at their home various times, seems odd since they've never changed the location of their lair when the enemy seems to know and also weird that if they know they don't attack more often.

The first half of the season is mostly boring, I remember liking season 2 more than one, the season opener is a bit generic but the idea of the mutagen being everywhere sets up the season just fine. The April subplot of being mad is so dumb and barely even lasted to have wasted so much time on it. Still not a fan of April at all, she's only gotten more annoying with her psychic powers.

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I kind of liked that the foot soldiers became robots but at the same time i didn't want all the foot to be robots. The squirrels episode was really lame, I liked the similar one they had in season 1 with the wasps but here I just felt no tension eliminating the point of it, the fungus episode was that same type of show but done much better.

Seeing Chrome Drome was cool even if they just re-used Bradford's design, mutagen man was cool and tragic. Slash's origin was fine but I feel like Spike was only mutated to make fans happy since people had mentioned since the first season how spike should be mutated.

Making Dogpound into Rahzar gives me mixed feelings, I liked Rahzar but he feels weird without Tokka and also that he is a ninja since he's Bradford and such a radical change to a zombie like creature, not a fan. Especially since him being a threat didn't last too long as he was replaced by Tiger Claw not long after.

Casey Jones is such a let down, he has a different mask and he's just some punk kid, which makes no sense for him to be able to take out all these ninjas and what not. Also in his episode they finally mention where the turtles names came from, they messed up not having that since the first episode.

The midseason finale wasn't as good as I remembered but it was still fun to find out more about what's going to happen and see things change.

[CyberCubed]

Season 2 is mostly about building up the ground work from the first season while introducing new mutants most of which will become important characters for the rest of the show such as Slash, etc.

I love how this show built up the backstory of the Kraang more and more as it went on. It's as if they kept giving us new information one by one rather than dumping it all at once, and I really liked that. Learning where the mutagen came from, where Dimension X is and dimensional portals, what the Kraang were trying to do, experimenting on April with her powers, etc. I also like how the Kraang keep getting new robots/weapons/ships making them more and more powerful than before. We get new backstory for the Kraang with each arc about them and it was great to see their lore expanded.

As I said before I never cared for Dogpound's design and love Rahzar's. Had they kept Dogpound's design for the entire show that would have been boring as hell, I already got bored of his design by the end of Season 1. All the villains will of course suffer from "villain decay" where the Turtles beat them easy and easier each time, but that's expected for kids shows do it doesn't bother me. Rahzar's design is cool and I love how we got an obscure movie character like Rahzar as a permanent staple of this show.

I love the Squirrlenoids episode, it's of course a homage to the Alien movie franchise just like the Pizza Monsters ep in Season 2 of the original cartoon. Fungus Humungous is also my favorite "filler" of the series due to how hilarious it was and all the great visuals and backdrops.

[sdp]

Finished season 2 and this season was definitely inferior to the first, it has a few stronger episodes but it also has plenty more horrible ones. The second half was better than the first half of s2.

The finale is a rehash of the first one and even though it was done much better and was more enjoyable it still feels like we've already done this.


Irma as a hipster was neat but her being Kraang Subprime was a bit lame, April having psychic powers is not cool though her being resistant to the mutagen is a cool enough story as to why the Kraang want them.

The mecha turtle was awesome, I didn't remember this had happened. Leo's new voice actor isn't that good, I miss Jason Biggs. Casey Jones was never amazing though he did get a little less annoying in his other appearances.

I already miss the human foot soldiers. I loved the episode of the chinese spirit and granting mystic foot ninja powers to the Purple Dragons. Speaking of which the purple dragons are only those 3 members? And wasn't one of those the one who helped the turtles in one episode? Why hasn't that been followed up on. NY still looks rather empty even with the second invasion and all it had was a minor Earth Defense Force appearance?

The pizza episode has to be one of the worst ones the show has made, it was also the third horror themed episode this season. The LARP episode was ok.

I had no idea this season ended in a cliffhanger, odd that the invasion seemed pretty small in the end.

[CyberCubed]

Season 2 was consistently great, but yeah the Pizzaface episode was the worst ep so far, and the Sir Malachi Larp episode was pretty weak too. Thankfully they're one-shot characters and don't appear again.

Other than those two eps I enjoyed every other ep of Season 2. Some were better than others obviously, but they were all good. The way they built up the Shredder/Karai story and the Kraang was done well, although it's going to go on hiatus for awhile due to the Northampton arc in Season 3.

If you're complaining about horror eps now, be warned, the Northampton arc goes on for 8 episodes in Season 3 and at least 5 out of those 8 eps are horror themed. :lol:

[sdp]

You weren't kidding, I just finished the first half of season 3 and it was alright, I thought I had seen the first two episodes of season 3 but that was not true, I had never seen an of this so outside the first crossover episode everything else should be new to me.

I didn't hate the horror stories but man do the writers have a boner for the horror genre, not sure I like it too much. The Jason/weed story was kind of cool but odd, especially as the first episode. The Freddy/Dream Beavers episode was also cool. I wouldn't consider the other episodes really "horror" themed though the others have some roots but not really straight out homages.

I wish they'd had more episodes in the daylight, almost all took place at night, that makes sense in NYC but not in the woods, that's the one place it made sense for it to have been early.

I liked the appearance of the Punk Frogs but not a fan that there were so many mutated frogs, in fact that's one of my problems with the show, there are too many mutants, this show is literally what people thought the OT was, the OT didn't really introduce that many villains, at least not at first and relied on other villains like mobsters and aliens and yet this show makes everyone a mutant, it gets tiring even if I like most of the mutants created.

The Kraang mutated the early humans but later they retcon that I'm guessing accidentally, maybe in the bigfoot episode but now I can't remember in which one they did it.

Didn't like Rocksteady/Beebop in this show, Beebop's human form was cool in his appearance last season but as a mutant he just doesn't feel like Beebop at all. Rocksteady being the Russian guy was also a dumb idea and I liked the Russian guy, I wanted to see more of him and become another main villain, all we have is Kraang/Shredder or mutant episodes the mutant usually working for Kraang and Shredder. I feel this show needs more diversity in villains.

I liked the Mighty Mutanimals finally becoming a real team in a cartoon, hope newer incarnations keep them since IDW is also using them. The Mutanimals also redeemed Pete and the professor who before I thought were bad characters.

I'm not a big fan of Leo's new voice, the original voice was definitely the best for him, I don't hate the new voice but it doesn't fit this incarnation. April's psychic powers are still dumb.

Too many mutants, but I don't necessarily hate it, I just hope its only unique to this one show. Other shows need a better balance that 2k3 and even the OT had.

If time passed slower in dimension X then didn't the few seconds the Mutanimals were keeping the gate open mean were months? Did they forget their own rules? That also means Mikey is older than the others, then again this show throws "months have passed" every other peiosde which I'm guessing doesn't make much sense.

[Vegita-San]

it's pretty clear this creative team was more interested in horror and lost interest in turtles real fast season 2 on. especially with all the gross designs they did.

I agree that it had WAY too many mutants. and a whole POPULATION of Punk frogs that no one discovered before the turtles did was just way too goofy.

for me, Season 2 onward is where the show started to fall apart and I REALLY lost interest. i was willing to put up with things i didn't like in season 1. but season 2 onward things just compounded. and the super long breaks didn't help keep my interest either.

i was hoping for good things with nick and viacom. but now it really does seem like this series might b e the best we get at this point.

[CyberCubed]

sdp, Rocksteady's Russian accent gets really funny as the show progresses. I really enjoyed that take. :lol:

I think they did a great job giving us a new take on Bebop/Rocksteady as opposed to making them carbon copies of the original. They made them still humourous but still gave them new concepts like Bebop's cloaking/laser fights, Rocksteady's Russian human and big weapons, etc.

Ugh, now here comes you know who:

it's pretty clear this creative team was more interested in horror and lost interest in turtles real fast season 2 on. especially with all the gross designs they did.

LOL, Vegita-san, the writers themselves didn't "lose interest" in the Turtles. I don't know what that even means.

I agree that it had WAY too many mutants. and a whole POPULATION of Punk frogs that no one discovered before the turtles did was just way too goofy.

There's no problem with the show being mutant heavy since that's the direction they went in. The frogs lived in the woods and were secluded, so it makes sense many people didn't come across them. Either way, who cares? Maybe they did come across humans, what does it matter?

for me, Season 2 onward is where the show started to fall apart and I REALLY lost interest. i was willing to put up with things i didn't like in season 1. but season 2 onward things just compounded. and the super long breaks didn't help keep my interest either.

Season 2 was one of the best seasons, your constant whining and complaining about "breaks" when the show is over now and you can marathon many episodes every day like sdp is doing is absurd. You're basically whining for no reason now.

[newfan]

I thought the show was a bit mutant heavy, (were there many in 2k3?) I just thought the writers wanted a mutant population in NY in the story.

I watch eps often but I think I need to re-watch season 1 and 2 in order as a few people feel it went down hill after season 1, I just didn't feel that myself.

When I very first heard Seth's Leo it felt off because it was noticeably different but I came to like it. I think it kinda suited Leo's 'grown' character later on (to me).

[CyberCubed]

Seth Green's Leo voice did seem a bit off in the Northampton arc but once they got back to New York he sounded fine. After that he also made his voice a bit higher pitched to fit Leonardo's character better and it worked.

As for other TMNT series, they generally filled the non-Shredder episodes with generic human enemies, robots, or aliens...so its not much different from a lot of mutants like what Nick did. The 2k3 series did add a ton of mutants as it progressed but they were mostly treated as mindless monsters without any character and they didn't speak. The only notable exception of course being Leatherhead who was a major character and the Turtles friend like this series.

[newfan]

Seth Green's Leo voice did seem a bit off in the Northampton arc but once they got back to New York he sounded fine. After that he also made his voice a bit higher pitched to fit Leonardo's character better and it worked.

As for other TMNT series, they generally filled the non-Shredder episodes with generic human enemies, robots, or aliens...so its not much different from a lot of mutants like what Nick did. The 2k3 series did add a ton of mutants as it progressed but they were mostly treated as mindless monsters without any character and they didn't speak. The only notable exception of course being Leatherhead who was a major character and the Turtles friend like this series.

Yeah, the voice grew on me fairly quickly tbh.
So still a lot of mutants just used differently, just not so many humans (2012)

[sdp]

Vegita is not wrong in saying that the writers are more interested in writing horror homages than tmnt like episodes.

As for the too many mutants I complain about it but its fine as long as its only this incarnation and not all future TMNT incarnations. It reminds me of TMNT and other Strangeness RPG where it was full of mutants as well.

Seth Green isn't a bad Leo, I just think Jason Biggs fit this version of Leo so much better.

I'm watching the Renet episode now and well I remember we debated in this forum if there was only one "renet" in the TMNT multiverse but it doesn't make sense as I was watching this, it creates too many inconsistencies.

The new intro sucks, they should've kept the original one and only changed the Shredder villains part.

I don't think the show went hill after season 1, the show has plenty of flaws but most were present even in season 1, they just become more apparent the more you watch.

[Vegita-San]

Yeah, the voice grew on me fairly quickly tbh.
So still a lot of mutants just used differently, just not so many humans (2012)

once i started noticing less family guy and more leo, he had me.

it took a bit though.

Vegita is not wrong in saying that the writers are more interested in writing horror homages than tmnt like episodes.


let me guess, I just got insulted from a previous post cause i dared to be critical? :). I guess I should wait till the new show hits, then this series will be forgotten and i could be as critical as I like ;o).


I'm curious just HOW many horror episodes and horror movie elements where in this show. It's clearly far more than any other iteration.

[CyberCubed]

As for the too many mutants I complain about it but its fine as long as its only this incarnation and not all future TMNT incarnations. It reminds me of TMNT and other Strangeness RPG where it was full of mutants as well.


As I said before, it's not much different than how the original cartoon or 2k3 series just had filler villains be generic. This show uses mutants.

For the original cartoon everyone complained there were too many generic human villains, like all those mad scientists, the gangsters, or the dozens of robots they kept introducing in every episode.

The 2k3 series had crap characters like Garbageman, or various aliens or monsters that appeared in random episodes, etc.

All 3 TMNT cartoons generally had trouble filling the non-Shredder/Foot episodes with good recurring villains. The Nick cartoon chooses mutants, the other two characters had plenty of generic and throwaway characters too. You know this good and well, sdp, from watching them.

[newfan]

once i started noticing less family guy and more leo, he had me.

it took a bit though.



let me guess, I just got insulted from a previous post cause i dared to be critical? :). I guess I should wait till the new show hits, then this series will be forgotten and i could be as critical as I like ;o).

I'm curious just HOW many horror episodes and horror movie elements where in this show. It's clearly far more than any other iteration.

He sounded nothing like he did in family guy :lol: Thank goodness.

A season 4 ep often reminds me of a not very famous horror movie but we aren't there yet on this thread. I suppose all the shows have to be different in some way.....she says after moaning about the new show :)

[Vegita-San]

He sounded nothing like he did in family guy :lol: Thank goodness.


I thought he did at the start. I heard more 'Chris' than 'Leo'. It wasn't until about 7 episodes or so in, that I started to hear more Leo coming through.

[newfan]

I thought he did at the start. I heard more 'Chris' than 'Leo'. It wasn't until about 7 episodes or so in, that I started to hear more Leo coming through.

Really? Chris has a real whiny voice, Leos was soft and ..well normal :). I suppose being the same actor you may pick up something.. I just didn't.

[CyberCubed]

LOL, Seth Greens Leonardo voice sounds nothing like Chris from Family Guy. Vegita-san is still trolling. :lol:

[sdp]

Finished watching season 3 besides the overdone horror stuff its alright.

April/Karai are still uninteresting to me and feel forced, the mutation angle had potential but not a fan of how they're dealing with it. The time travel episode made me both like the Shredder/Splinter rivalry less and more, kind of odd.

Only Donnie and Mikey got upgraded weapons right? Shame, the bladed weapons are ok, they're not overused. Hell I guess most of their weapons aren't used that much.

Have I mentioned I really liked Casey Jones this season, I hated him last season but he's gotten better.

Bruce Lee Hun I have mixed feelings on, it was awesome seeing a Bruce Lee character in TMNT but making him Hun who was this beefy gang leader was not the perfect choice. Wish we had seen more of him.

Russian Rocksteady is indeed awesome and I now like him and Beebop's dynamic, but I still feel the Russian guy was too interesting and had a way different role than just making him another goon of Shredder.

Speaking of Shredder's goon the Villain Decay we saw the first two seasons finally got balanced, well as balanced as an action show like TMNT can make it but yeah those first two seasons the villains felt like DBZ where the other character was just made useless as soon as the other arrived but they balanced that off.

Bishop being a Kraang is an interesting twist but also an Utrom? Awesome, finally my fanon theory of Kraang being Utroms is canon.

The Triceraton's invasion was pretty cool.


As I said before, it's not much different than how the original cartoon or 2k3 series just had filler villains be generic. This show uses mutants.

But the other shows had a better mix, I do remember 2k3 and even early OT seasons needing a few more mutant episodes, and in the same way this show needs more crazy scientists/mobster episodes. But like I said the excess of mutants is not isn't a big problem for me.

The horror homages though, man pretty much every episode has them, it's a huge turn off by now, they over did it and I'm tired of it, wish they had kept it in a more subtle way but its always straight in your face

[CyberCubed]

The Utroms do exist in Nick, you'll see it further explained in Season 4. Bishop also appears a few more times in the following seasons leading the EPF so it's true to the character. I think him being an Utrom was a homage to 2k3 Shredder being an Utrom.

While I don't care for Karai's snake mutation, I love the fact that someone as cold as Shredder could raise his enemies daughter as his own. The fact that the writers showed us that Shredder does genuinely care for Karai makes it even better, because it shows how much he considers her to be his daughter since he raised her. Karai's arc gets a bit dragged out in Season 3 with the mutation and brain worm, but this is sorted out in Season 4 immediately when they get back from space so it's well done.

I also like how the Mutanimals helped out in the Triceraton invasion, and now we have other enemies outside of Shredder and his minions and the Kraang.

[sdp]

When should I watch the Mega Blocks Half-Shell Heroes: Blast to the Past special? Is it in continuity with the show?

And what is the official order of season 5? Should I follow the one on Wikipedia or the one on streaming sites? I remember reading a debate here on what should be considered the series finale but I don't want to read that thread and find a bunch of spoilers.

[CyberCubed]

Half Shell Heroes you can watch right after the space arc ends, it was written by Brandon Auman one of the main writers of the show and the Turtles and Bebop/Rocksteady all have their Nick personalities and voice actors.

I consider it canon, the only thing different about it is the designs to match the Half-shell heroes toys. It's also the only time the Nick Turtles go back in time to see dinosaurs in the prehistoric age, and that's a pivotal storyline every TMNT series does.

[sdp]

Finished the first half of S3 and it was a blast.

I loved that the turtles went to space and we spent some time there, it feels like TMNT, I love "NY foot stories" the best but TMNT is not TMNT if it doesn't have crazy sci-fi and other things.

I liked it when they fought all three versions of Bradford, I'm a sucker for stuff like that. Also the fact that we got a Bradford show this season is great, I haven't mentioned it but the cartoons they watch each season are so awesome.

April is still annoying, I did like they gave her the yellow space suit that resembles the jump suit, even if it looks horrible on her. I prefer her original outfit tho. The horror sh-t continued even in space and that's a damn shame, even if its not super annoying it's distracting since every other episode is done as a love letter to horror films, it's too much.

I had already watched it but I can confirm that the crossover is amazing and better than turtles forever. It makes continuity problems with Krang being a Kraang and other stuff like Donatello not knowing earth prime but that's another discussion.

Talking about continuity problems that one episode where they mentioned a few seconds were months in Dimension X is sure causing continuity problems through out the show, since it would mean anytime they go there that would happen and in this case they only went back in time 6 months.

Some changes that the show has made have been horrible but others like monalisa are pretty great. I was so happy to finally see Armaggon and he was a threat so props. Seeing Lord Dregg was great and he was used very well through out the space arc, too bad he went out like a chump in the end

The intro sucks since they added the annoying dialog of them being stuck in space right after the theme begins. It was fine the first episode but no need to hear that every single episode.

[newfan]

The interrupted intro was annoying but I guess they kept it up for people who missed some of the space stuff, glad when it was gone again.

So, was one of the horror eps you were referring to Wyrm ep? cause it reminds me of a not very popular horror movie whenever I watch it.

[sdp]

I liked the wyrm episode, just find it annoying that every other episode begins or is themed on a horror movie, it's too much.

I forgot to mention, how is sending the "past" TMNT to space a fix? How did the OT deal with it when they met their past selves? So do we assume the other turtles didn't mind they took their Splinter?

I now watched the Heroes in a half Shell special, and boy did it suck.

I wanted to love it since I like the art style, I love dinosaurs and yes all TMNT incarnations should meet dinosaurs and they reference the caveman turtle toys from when I was a kid. But man is it boring.

I guess I'll consider it in continuity but it even ends on a cliffhanger, and a cool one too, I would've loved to see the Nick turtles go to an apocalyptic future, all other TMNT versions have done it as well.

[CyberCubed]

Fred Wolf Krang being an Utrom kind of make sense, it's not like Utroms were ever name-dropped in the original cartoon. :lol: Perhaps the reason he had a body was he experimented with mutagen on him hence those Krangezoid clones in Season 7 of the original cartoon.

Kraang sub-prime is basically Nick's version of Fred Wolf Krang, they even said they were cousins. I like that we had a "leader" of the Kraang rather than them all being a hive mind. I remember when Season 1 was airing I was hoping there would be a leader of the Kraang and I got that. Kraang Prime and Subprime are like a mix of the original Krang split between two characters.

[newfan]

Yeah I've tried getting my head around the other set of turtles existing still after the time change but then Figutoid did still turn up to take them to space. Generally, Splinter is both sets of turtles Splinter as they are the same turtles but yes, he is the other turtles time point. I always wondered what happens when they come back? I guess we were meant to forget about them :)

Edit: From an earlier point, I too liked that we got a character who looked like Bruce Lee, but also agreed that the character isn't much of a character.

[sdp]

Finished watching Season 4 and wow, amazing, easily the best season so far, I"ll try to finish S5 as quickly as possible since my free time is about to vanish, and I wasted it all on TMNT :lol: it's been worth it though.


I love Tokka, having a giant turtle Gamera homage was so cool and makes me wish we had a kaiju cg show like that.


Did they leave Fishface to die in the finale?

When did they de-age Leatherhead? He went from old gray to ambiguously gray in a few episodes but he was definitely green in his last appearance.

The show got pretty gruesome the last few episodes, I was surprised with how much they were getting away with, besides all the obvious ones it also seemed Shredder broke his arm on-screen though he was shown using it fine a few seconds later a la Mortal Kombat X.

Splinter dying didn't have a lot of emotion since the had just done that for feels last season, it's cool they had the balls to do it, I always thought 2k3 would do it but they never did but yeah the impact was lessened because of the last finale.

Super Shredder being featured for so long was really neat, I was always a fan of him. However pre mutated Shredder was beaten in a bit anti-climatic way after saving the world from the triceraton invation, 2k3 had the same problem with ch'rell IMO.

When did Shredder's mutants become so loyal? Especially Baxter, I mean he obviously hated them and just off-screen he now becomes the most loyal member?

Poor Tiger Claw was de-clawed, it's hard to take him seriously after the Alopex, not only do we see his origins which was rather weak, I would've preferred it remain a mistery, but in his origin we see that it's Alopex who kicked his ass, and then in the episode he kicks his ass again and maims him, I don't know if I"ll be able to take him seriously again, in the finale with the cool cybernetic hand he was used as fodder.

The black ninja outfits were cool but I don't know if they should've used them, they looked like Slash. Really cool to see Casey use his real mask tho.

Dark Phoenix Saga April reached the epitome of annoying, those psychic powers were the worst thing to happen to her, why couldn't they just let her be a kunoichi and leave it at that?

Now onto Season 5 or I guess it's called Tales of the TMNT? Or was the whole show retconned as Tales of the TMNT?

[CyberCubed]

Make sure to watch Season 5 in production order, not the order it aired on TV.

Fishface and all of Shredder's henchmen appear in Season 5's opening arc. I loved Rat King's final episode as it was an adaption of City at War from Mirage. Seeing Wingnut/Screwloose debut in this show as Batman parodies and then as villains were cool too.

[Vegita-San]

you're picking out alot of things wrong with this show. and it's nice to see some others bring them up.

lots of things where brought up for no reason at all, and ignored later on. like suddenly loyal shredder henchmen and shredder getting taken out RIDICULOUSLY easy...and then somehow being mortally and close to death wounded later.

it was VERY hard to take the entire show seriously with crap like this going on all the time.

I think that's why I liked the space arc best. it just tried to focus on fun adventure and didn't try to be heavy, because the heavy stuff NEVER paid off.

[CyberCubed]

lots of things where brought up for no reason at all, and ignored later on. like suddenly loyal shredder henchmen and shredder getting taken out RIDICULOUSLY easy...and then somehow being mortally and close to death wounded later.

Just because you don't remember how the episodes played out doesn't mean there was anything wrong. Shredder was never taken out easily by the Turtles, and in his mutated form he obviously could not move as agile as he was a human and use all his ninjitsu moves. Lastly, Leo literally cuts off his head, he never beats him down beyond that.

Lastly beyond Baxter, all of his henchmen were always loyal to him. Baxter probably just liked that he got to work in a lab and experiment with mutagen all the time.

[newfan]

I always thought Tiger Claw was the most loyal, Bradford and Fishface feared him, even though remaining loyal, I got the impression that there was less fear and more respect from Tiger Claw. Baxter was forced to be there and didn't want his mutation but it seems somewhere along the way he had a change of heart.

Only season 5 is tales, it is a different design, from what I remember reading, the 4 seasons was the main story the writers wanted to tell and then they wanted to explore fun tales for the last season. The tales are grouped in arcs of mostly 3, some 4 eps, this actually worked well with Nicks terrible scheduling, at least you see a whole tale before waiting months for more eps.

[sdp]

Tales of the TMNT is such a great name for a show, too bad it was wasted on a one season sutitle.

The new intro sucks but I'm glad it finally got a totally new intro, it's something TMNT shows have to do.

Tatsu was brought back? So awesome, I remember people here in the drome speculated and was the firm believe that Mirage didn't own the character, guess that's wrong. Too bad they killed him off, after making Tiger Claw into a chump last season they should've let him be the new head of the foot.

So Bradford was killed last season? I had no idea, haha.

Zombie Shredder was not a great idea, it lessened the last season since here he wasn't even a threat.

Bringing hothead was cool but making him a demon? ugh. He should've looked somewhat like a dragon at least.

I forgot to mention before that I loved the Stallone mobster, too bad they killed him here, but goes to show this show had plenty of awesome characters were not used enough so there was no excuse for the show not to be more diverse.

I forgot his name but I did really like the italian mobster and that he had an OT like gimmick, he also should've been used more.

[newfan]

I missed the song from the intro :)

Tatsu was a good character but short lived, I didn't like HOW hard he was for all turtles and co to fight together, given that Leo defeated Shredder just previously. Very entertaining fight scenes though. I liked it.


Tiger Claw went to great lengths to bring back Shredder rather than run the foot himself which is why I thought him very loyal, course he left when that failed, I guess he just didn't want to lead it.

I thought we'd get more from Zombie Shredder given the build up but he was a puppet, getting his will back a little at the end. It seemed too soon after they just defeated him to use him again also, I guess it was just putting an end that the enemy/old foot story (for the rest of them)

[CyberCubed]

Season 5 is split into arcs, so make sure to watch each arc from each other. Rahzar dies...twice. He's the only Shredder henchmen to kick the bucket. Probably makes sense since Chris Bradford was the most loyal to Shredder.

Tiger Claw declared a truce with the Turtles and they let Fishface go. Since they were the two new villain mutants created for this show and major characters, I can see why the Nick writers didn't want to kill them off.

I loved the mobsters in general. The Turtles must always face mobsters/gangsters in every incarnation. I love it when they fight organized crime. And yes seeing Tatsu was great even if he was a one-ep character.

I actually liked it that zombie Shredder wasn't a huge threat. Seeing Shredder brought back after they just killed him off would have been repetitive, so this was like some demonized half-dead version of the character. It reminded me of the Ninja Tribunal arc from Season 5 of the 4kids series where the Foot were reuniting his helmet, heart and gauntlet just like this series to revive a demon Shredder.

[sdp]

Bradford already died or is that a spoiler of him dying again?:lol: don't tell me, i'll find out soon enough.

I'm watching in production order as Cubed suggested

I finished watching the monster ar and man did it suck, I went in with an open mind but really f-ck the writers and their boners for horror sh-t, what could've been an amazing 4 episode Renet arc we got instead more god-damn horror tributes, and four episodes of them. Dracula for godsake, vampries are no strangers to TMNT but even the OT found Dracula too silly to actually exist in their universe his appearance there was a quick tv character brought to life. I doubt te writers will ever read this but f-ck you and your horror hard-ons.

The origin episode was quite nice and I think when I watch this show I will make this "episode 0" and watch it first, since it gives us what was missing in the first episode, though I guess it causes some continuity problems with Splinter knowing the Kraang exist and having the turtles know about the kraang even if not by name.

I also watched the newtrilizer/lord dregg episodes. Man I forgot we hadn't seen the newtrilizer for a while, he was an awesome character and needed more appearances. It was nice seeing Lord Dregg again, since I hated him going out like a chump and this invasion even if the episodes were just ok, they gave Dregg the final battle he deserved. Sadly newtrilizer died, he needed to survive.

I hate that the tv show this is just another star trek parody, I liked to see leo geek out again since that was missing since S1 but I did enjoy the different shows being parodied.

[CyberCubed]

I liked the first monster ep in Egypt because I loved the Mummy and the final ep was good too. The middle two eps could have been condensed into one episode. Basically should have been 3 eps instead of 4. Also vampires have always existed in TMNT since Mirage Volume 1.

Both Dregg and Newtralizer died when the ship exploded. It's also the last appearance of Bishop in the series, and I think it was a great send-off for them. It was a great little mini-arc of Dregg invading the Earth like in the original toon and Newtralizer finally getting a much needed return.

The origin ep is great, it was written by Kevin Eastman too.


You're almost done with the show now sdp, only a few more arcs.

[newfan]

I think as already pointed out, if the writers hadn't been horror happy already this arc would have meant more. I did think it was a fun arc idea and liked the Van Helsing look but I don't think it needed 4 episodes, especially with little to spare in the last season.

I liked Star Trek the next Generation coming in, going back to Leo's favourite show in season 1 but I can see the desire to keep going with yet another show.

I'm glad you created this thread btw, I missed most the 2012 discussion as I joined later, course my posts aren't as insightful as others with limited knowledge of all other incarnations :)
I didn't stop and realise just how much horror infused the show was until others discussed it, I mean, sure I saw it but I didn't stop and realise the extent, still doesn't put me off the show though :)

[Vegita-San]

It does for me. by the time we get to the shows only halloween episode, I'm sick to death of horror stuff already. when it should have been fun and goofy.


I'm hoping the next iteration has all it's ducks in a row and is a little more fun, a littler more adventurish, and doesn't try to be something bigger than it's parts. but i doubt it.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I kind of liked that the foot soldiers became robots but at the same time i didn't want all the foot to be robots.

Not all Foot soldiers were robots.

[sdp]

Well I finally finished watching the show.

The second crossover episode was a disappointment, not bad but didn't leave me super hyped like the original crossover did. I go into detail in the crossover thread since that thread was still active and my comments felt better suited there than here.

The Usagi arc was a bit boring, I wanted to love it but meh, it wasn't bad either but it felt so dull. I did like that it felt as a Usaji / TMNT crossover and not TMNT/Usaji crossover if that makes any sense. Not only were the turtles in Usaji's world but also it was a plot of Usaji and not the TMNT they were dealing with.

Finally the road warrior arc was so awesome, easily one of my favorites in the show. I'm a sucker for post-apocalyptic futures and it was all well done. I gotta find that talkback as well to see other's opinion because as much as I love the episodes, I don't like that this apocalyptic future is the actual future of these turtles, it's bittersweet and I prefer my ultra happy ending in my TMNT cartoons. Maybe I can think of it as an alternate universe the turtles travel to eventually or something.

The zombie shredder arc definitely had more of a finale feel, even with the "wait I want to look at the sky a little more". I think there's a thread discussing which is the series finale, I'll go read that one later as well. Only reason zombie shredder can't be the final episode is they pretty much reference it in the universal monsters arc that they've battled "demons & zombies" so while not explicit they haven't done either of those things before that arc.

I'll post my thoughts on the overall series a little later, I gotta go now.

Not all Foot soldiers were robots.

It sure seemed like there were no more human foot later on, unless you mean Karai's red foot ninjas in which case you're right but I was referring to Shredder's.

[CyberCubed]

I thought the Usagi eps, especially the first and last episodes, were great. They really captured the Usagi feel and universe well. The riding on the horses, the snow cat scenes on the snowy mountain, all the fights with Jei, etc.

Also make sure to watch the Ice Cream Kitty music video, its a 2 minute video and you can find it on youtube. It's a hilarious sendoff to the Nick TMNT era if you haven't seen it.

[newfan]

There were a lot of comments on the Apocalypse arc in the thread and a lot of arguing over it being an AU in the season 5 thread.

Agreed on End times arc, made slightly bigger too.

[sdp]

Some final thoughts, I wanted to post these before but after monday I was super busy and I"ll be fairly busy for the rest of the week, so looks like I finished just in time as I'd only be able to watch about one episode (normal speed) per day.


I realized how both Kraang and non-super Shredder were defeated in a lackluster way. I mean yeah they were defeated but I never expected those to be their final defeats, especially the Kraang since they had been defeated similarly before and the Triceratons were the main focus.


Overall I enjoyed the series as I mentioned, many of the problems I had before I stopped watching after season 2 were no longer big problems though I did find plenty of new ones. April/Karai were just characters that I never liked in the show, the horror stuff as you guys know by now also sucked, a few of their changes I was not a fan.

Overall I would rate it as my least favorite after 2k3 and the OT, but that doesn't mean I think it sucks or that 2k3/OT are flawless, those two shows have plenty of annoying things to me, I just have more problems with the Nick show. Still an awesome cartoon and worthy of the TMNT name.

I still want to discuss the final episode but I'll do that in the main thread, man what a bittersweet ending, not one that I wanted for the show but whatever.


I'm also not done with this thread, when I have time, hopefully tomorrow I'll watch the 2007 movie and try to fit it in continuity with the show, I don't think it should be too difficult besides obviously some events having to have occurred off-screen before then but whatever I'll do my best to shoehorn it in.

[CyberCubed]

Well as you know, Splinter is alive in the 2007 movie and shorter than the Turtles, so I imagine that would be rather hard? :lol:

Nick has my favorite version of Karai thus far, not counting the original Mirage one. I wish the snake mutation never happened but personality and story wise she was the best.

Also did you watch the Ice Cream Kitty music video yet? Made by Nick themselves using the shows graphics and Greg Cipes singing it as Mikey?

[sdp]

I did watch the Ice Cream Kitty music video and it was awesome, a nice way to say good bye to the series. Thanks for letting me know about it.


Yeah I was thinking about how to fit it in, obviously Splinter would have to come back to life but as we saw in Season 5 it's very well possible. Kinda sucky this has to happen off-screen but whatever.

April not using her psychic powers well hopefully she lost them or we just don't see her using them, easy as that.

Karai not being mutated? Well maybe she finally de-mutated or she just didn't mutate since she could obviously control it in the show.

Karai wasn't really "bad" in the movie, she had her job, her hinting at Shredder's return well we don't know what may have gone on.

For the most part everything else fits perfectly, the turtles are older and yet have the same personalities, Splinter is now old etc.

The Nick show actually referenced the movie, in one episode Raph mentions "Remember Leo when you talked me out of becoming a vigilante called the Nightwatcher". So, I guess to make it fit, we have to think that without Leo he finally became the Nightwatcher and we can assume Leo just forgot about that whole incident or at least the name.

I haven't watched that movie in many years so maybe there's more inconsistencies but those are the ones I remember.

[CyberCubed]

Well the Turtles and April/Casey are all older in the movie, Turtles look around 18 and April/Casey/Karai are adults. As said Splinter would have to come back to life somehow...and get shorter.

Karai also has an accent in the movie whereas her Nick voice actor does not. Also the voice of Shredder from the Nick show also voiced the main stone General in the 4th movie, so you'll be hearing Shredder's voice come out of one of the main villains in the movie. :lol:

[newfan]

Yeah I picked up KMR's voice right away in that movie. (2007)

Karai would have an accent, seen as I assume she's been in Japan all of her life until she moves to New York (that may not be her story in Nick though) but I liked her with this accent. I also didn't care for the mutation being permanent but at least she still got to transform into herself and wasn't permanently a snake, I would have hated that. Was that (besides them being mutant happy) to show how Shredders rage for Splinter was destroying himself and those he loved? just like him being burned in the first place, killing Shen and then of course becoming Super Shredder at the end.

My view on the end has already been expressed, I feel similar to you enjoyment wise, SDP, as in it was very good as an episode/arc but as their ending, no.

[biganimefan]

Honestly I don't understand this at all! Why are you(sdp) treating the 2007 movie as being canon to the Nick series?? I mean, I can understand perfectly that you don't want the finale that we got to BE the finale(or the 3 part crossover for that matter). Most people would just say the season 4 finale was it, or the first arc of season 5. The 2007 Turtles being the same as Nick makes absolutely NO sense to me. I always just figured the 2007 movie was part of the original movie series continuity(or it's own thing entirely). The only one of the Turtles that is really all that similar with those 2 incarnations(Nick and 2007) is Raph. The other 3 are completely different. As is Splinter, April, Casey, and Karai.

Without taking into account that Splinter is dead(and wouldn't be brought back again), you'd have to go back at least a little bit in season 4 to be the actual finale and have the Shredder already being dead himself. Then you'd have to have the movie placed...at most 2 or 3 years after that point in season 4. Raph is the only character I can see that COULD be the same. All the others...no.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Honestly I don't understand this at all! Why is the 2007 movie being treated like canon to the Nick series by both of you(Cubed and sdp)??

What? Cubed was pointing out aspects of how this show wasn't connected to TMNT.

[biganimefan]

What? Cubed was pointing out aspects of how this show wasn't connected to TMNT.

Ah, sorry, I recently woke up. I went back and read his posts more closely and I see you're right about that. Changed my original post.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Ah, sorry, I recently woke up. I went back and read his posts more closely and I see you're right about that. Changed my original post.

No worries man.:D

[CyberCubed]

April and Casey also look like older versions of their Nick selves in the movie, April has the same orange hair color.

The 4th movie was intended to be in continuity with the original movie trilogy though. But it was the first CG TMNT we ever had before the Nick show, so i can see the comparisons.

[sdp]

TMNT 2007 was meant to be its own thing with its own continuity, when the director posted in the drome he always mentioned how it could be seen as a sequel to the first movie and in another post he mentioned it could be seen as a sequel to the first and maybe the second. Of course in the end we saw that little easter egg scene that has the time scepter but besides that there's nothing that connects it to the movies. It feels nothing like the live action movies, people only want it to be in continuity because it's the fourth TMNT film and not a straight up reboot. Had the movie been successful we would've seen it differ eventually from the first 3 films.

Now the movie failed and it's not its own thing by itself only having the prequel comics/young adult books to give the story a bit more backstory. The movie is about the turtles when they're grown up basically and the troubles of things changing, it's the perfect send off for any TMNT show, this is nothing against the Apocalypse ending, which I also liked but this is more of a it's a movie that deserves something more, it's basically my fanon but whatever I see more connections with the Nick show than it has with the live action movies.

I disagree, all 4 turtles, splinter, casey, april are all versions of what the characters from Nick could grow up to be. Karai is the only one that is a bit of a problem.

Anyway, I just watched the movie and besides the inconsistencies I had already mentioned I found a few more:
The turtles act like it's the first time they meet Karai, this can be explained since at first she's wearing a mask. Her being neutral to the turtles kind of helps but there's still some antagonism.

Also another problem is Casey and another turtle act shocked about the foot existing but it clearly existed with Karai before, Leo even mentions "The Shredder is dead" questioning the existence of the foot. I guess we can argue that the foot in general disbanded and Karai left it for a while.

I think it still works as an epilogue for the Nick show. There aren't enough inconsistencies for me to discard it and I'd rather it fits better than the live action films.


Honestly I don't understand this at all! Why are you(sdp) atreating the 2007 movie as being canon to the Nick series??

[Dust]

TMNT 2007 was meant to be its own thing with its own continuity, when the director posted in the drome he always mentioned how it could be seen as a sequel to the first movie and in another post he mentioned it could be seen as a sequel to the first and maybe the second. Of course in the end we saw that little easter egg scene that has the time scepter but besides that there's nothing that connects it to the movies. It feels nothing like the live action movies, people only want it to be in continuity because it's the fourth TMNT film and not a straight up reboot. Had the movie been successful we would've seen it differ eventually from the first 3 films.

Now the movie failed and it's not its own thing by itself only having the prequel comics/young adult books to give the story a bit more backstory. The movie is about the turtles when they're grown up basically and the troubles of things changing, it's the perfect send off for any TMNT show, this is nothing against the Apocalypse ending, which I also liked but this is more of a it's a movie that deserves something more, it's basically my fanon but whatever I see more connections with the Nick show than it has with the live action movies.

I disagree, all 4 turtles, splinter, casey, april are all versions of what the characters from Nick could grow up to be. Karai is the only one that is a bit of a problem.

Anyway, I just watched the movie and besides the inconsistencies I had already mentioned I found a few more:
The turtles act like it's the first time they meet Karai, this can be explained since at first she's wearing a mask. Her being neutral to the turtles kind of helps but there's still some antagonism.

Also another problem is Casey and another turtle act shocked about the foot existing but it clearly existed with Karai before, Leo even mentions "The Shredder is dead" questioning the existence of the foot. I guess we can argue that the foot in general disbanded and Karai left it for a while.

I think it still works as an epilogue for the Nick show. There aren't enough inconsistencies for me to discard it and I'd rather it fits better than the live action films.

It doesn't work at all really, they're two vastly different personalities.
Also, how can Nick Splinter turn into 2007 Splinter when the former is brown, black, white and tall, not to mention he's dead, whereas 2007 Splinter is short and orange?

[sdp]

It doesn't work at all really, they're two vastly different personalities.
Also, how can Nick Splinter turn into 2007 Splinter when the former is brown, black, white and tall, not to mention he's dead, whereas 2007 Splinter is short and orange?


Whose are two different personalities?

Both the movie and the show use pretty basic traits of the personalities which work out. April/Casey work out as well, especially since we know this April has trained with Splinter.

I'll give you Splinter is the most different but still he's still the "father" of the group and him being older would help explain why he's a bit different, he still scolds them like in Nick, his height could be because of his age. The color difference is just a design choice, the OT turtles and 2k3 turtles also chaned radically in their last seasons.


Obviously they're not meant to be together, the 2007 film was made 5 years before the Nick show came out, it's my headcanon and I feel it fits much better than shoehorning it into the movie continuity which most of the fandom does even though it makes absolutely no sense for most of those characters.

[biganimefan]

Hmm...honestly can't argue with someone's headcanon nor do I want to. I do that myself plenty of times with TMNT and other franchises. I still don't understand how most of the characters can be the same as the Nick versions even with time to grow. But that's me. I always have had my headcanon place the 2007 movie with the first 3(instead of it being its own thing). Even that has problems though.

[DWC]

They add more people to the streets around the later half of Season 1.

I've been doing my rewatch since the last week of September and I'm now in mid-Season 4. I've watched 3-4 episodes a day. That's how you marathon shows. I can't believe I've already nearly rewatched the entire series in just a little over a month.

I can beat that. I've watched almost two seasons since Saturday night, so four days and a bit.