Kevin Spacey accused of sexual misconduct

[The Deadman]

It was towards actor Anthony Rapp decades ago when he was a minor and his response?: I'm gay

https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/anthony-rapp-kevin-spacey-made-sexual-advance-when-i-was-14?utm_term=.giAAN95Wj#.teO4LEP2Q

And they canned his show

House of Cards to Conclude with Upcoming Sixth Season
Read more at http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/899213-house-of-cards-to-conclude-with-upcoming-sixth-season#QX5dQDQje6AfkF8O.99

[Andrew NDB]

Oh, Spacey...

http://www.highlander-community.com/sp1.gif

http://www.highlander-community.com/sp2.gif

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

But was House of Cards already going to end with Season 6? I mean, come on... there wasn't much room left for story anyway. The house of cards is thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis close to toppling.

[ZariusTwo]

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[CyberCubed]

He was just in Baby Driver this year with a young actor. Now I'm...concerned.

[Andrew NDB]

Kevin Spacey and Bryan Singer's good working relationship may make a lot more sense now.

http://images.gawker.com/llo74zoo8zu15yj32dc6/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636.jpg

http://static0.tvbuzer.com/images/persons/sources/09/09a0357482bbb919cf676e4ae5a1db4f-16963.jpg

[ProphetofGanja]

You can get lost down a very scary rabbit hole researching pedophilia in the entertainment industry... a lot of troubling rumors and allegations about practices that are far more widespread than one would think. I'm glad these things are coming to light

[dl316bh]

I'm glad these things are coming to light
Same. Hopefully it leads to some changes. This has actually managed to stick for longer than I thought it would, thankfully, and may even lead to a thing or two. It seems like recent events are getting people to question Non Disclosure Agreements, which is a necessary conversation, and apparently a couple states are thinking about passing some laws that prohibit NDA's being used to cover up criminal behavior.

[Andrew NDB]

I tend to give Spacey a little bit of credit. He could have easily just said "Nope, never happened" categorically and it would just be his word against the other dude about something that may or may not have happened 30+ years ago. That would have cooled out one way or another. Instead, he admitted it could have happened, thus torpedoing his own career knowingly and willingly. Doesn't make him any less sleazy but what his response was isn't the worst possible one he could have made.

[CyberCubed]

http://newyorknatives.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Kevin-Spacey-628x356.jpg

[The Deadman]

I tend to give Spacey a little bit of credit. He could have easily just said "Nope, never happened" categorically and it would just be his word against the other dude about something that may or may not have happened 30+ years ago. That would have cooled out one way or another. Instead, he admitted it could have happened, thus torpedoing his own career knowingly and willingly. Doesn't make him any less sleazy but what his response was isn't the worst possible one he could have made.

His response was the worst you could make, actually....he deflected from the accusations by coming out and saying he was a gay man.

[Andrew NDB]

His response was the worst you could make, actually....he deflected from the accusations by coming out and saying he was a gay man.

I don't think so at all. The "Before I forget, let me take this moment to also announce my gayness to all!" addendum is pretty transparent, sure, and a little troubling that he thought he might be able to muddle the allegation under some kind of Cloak of Homosexuality... but it really just is an addendum. An "Oh, by the way, let me add..." I get that that's pretty insulting to the homosexual community, but it's neither here nor there on the actual response to the allegation.

My real point is that Spacey had many options of responses he could make, up to and including silence and he chose one that would irrevocably end his career. When he didn't have to.

[Candy Kappa]

as someone said on Twitter, it's cruel to his supposed new community to use his coming out to deflect the accusations. It's going to open up more of the tired old criticisms and conspiracies against the gay community, there are still crusty old assholes that thinks gay equals pedophile.

[ZariusTwo]

A special Emmy Founders award intended to be given to Kevin at the Emmy Awards on November 20th has been shelved

http://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/house-of-cards/news/a841899/kevin-spacey-emmy-founders-award-sexual-advance-allegation/

[ZariusTwo]

Production on House of Cards has halted altogether

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/news/a841960/house-of-cards-netflix-suspends-production-on-final-season-kevin-spacey-scandal/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Production on House of Cards has halted altogether

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/news/a841960/house-of-cards-netflix-suspends-production-on-final-season-kevin-spacey-scandal/

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

Man, I wanted to see more of President Claire. :tsad:

[Andrew NDB]

Production on House of Cards has halted altogether

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/news/a841960/house-of-cards-netflix-suspends-production-on-final-season-kevin-spacey-scandal/

Hm... now, I don't know about this. I just hope that all of the cast and crew attached to that season gets paid the same as if it wasn't cut short. Pretty unfair to the fans, too.

[ProphetofGanja]

I take everything from sites like this with a grain of salt, but with all the recent goings-on, it makes you think:

After He Flew With Bill Clinton on ‘Lolita Express’ Kevin Spacey Started Group to Groom Child Stars (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/kevin-spacey-foundation-targeted-children-film-industry/)

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Kevin-spacey-696x366.jpg

and Corey Feldman and others have been saying for years (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/corey-feldman-owns-hollywood-shills-todays-show/) that Hollywood and show biz in general are full of predators

[Andrew NDB]

and Corey Feldman and others have been saying for years (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/corey-feldman-owns-hollywood-shills-todays-show/) that Hollywood and show biz in general are full of predators

To be fair, though, Corey Feldman says a lot of things.

https://www.fuse.tv/videos/2013/12/corey-feldman-youtube-fight

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/10/26/corey-feldman-says-his-life-is-in-danger-because-wants-to-expose-pedophile-ring-that-abused-him-corey-haim.html

http://www.crimeonline.com/2017/11/01/santa-barbara-police-claim-corey-feldman-never-told-them-names-of-alleged-hollywood-pedophiles/

[Hamato Yoshi]

Hoffmann accused too , now......let me guess : there will be skits of a groping Rain Man :lol::roll:

[Papenbrook]

I take everything from sites like this with a grain of salt, but with all the recent goings-on, it makes you think:

After He Flew With Bill Clinton on ‘Lolita Express’ Kevin Spacey Started Group to Groom Child Stars (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/kevin-spacey-foundation-targeted-children-film-industry/)

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Kevin-spacey-696x366.jpg

and Corey Feldman and others have been saying for years (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/corey-feldman-owns-hollywood-shills-todays-show/) that Hollywood and show biz in general are full of predators

Oh my goodness! :o

Even though I know that the vast majority of society is predominantly corrupted in some form, it's still dishearteningly tragic, especially when I read/hear that concerns (or relates to) child abuse. I just can't imagine the pain and heartache that the victims/survivors went through. They will have to deal with their trauma for the rest of their lives. :(

My thoughts and condolences go out to the victims. They didn't (and don't) deserve to go through their traumatic experiences. I wish for their well-being, safety, and, if possible, recovery.

[TigerClaw]

Looks like he's accused of sexual harassment while on the set of House Of Cards.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/02/media/house-of-cards-kevin-spacey-harassment/index.html

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well damn. Spacey's going down in flames.

Yuck.

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like he's accused of sexual harassment while on the set of House Of Cards.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/02/media/house-of-cards-kevin-spacey-harassment/index.html

Oh man. He's really done now. This is fresh enough there could even be charges brought.

[THGhost]

I really like Kevin Spacey. Now I'm not so sure. :thumbsdo:

[Spike Spiegel]

If the accusations can be proven in a court of law, I hope he gets what he deserves.

I never really liked his Gene Hackman impression in Superman Returns anyway.

[Papenbrook]

WARNING: The following contains sensitive material. It may not be safe for work. Viewer discretion is advised. Proceed with caution.

http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/kevin-spacey-alleged-sexual-relationship.html

:(

[Papenbrook]

Well, it's official.

He's been fired from Netflix. (http://www.thefader.com/2017/11/04/netflix-cuts-ties-with-actor-kevin-spacey-amid-sexual-assault-allegations)

[dl316bh]

Good. That's what should happen. It says a lot about how often people get away with things like that that I figured they'd finish the last season of House of Cards before they cut ties.

Speaking of that, House of Cards is f***ed. There is no way it can end well, now. That show is mainly about Spaceys character. I'm sure they'll finagle something to bring it to some kind of conclusion but there's no way it's going to be satisfying or feel natural.

[Papenbrook]

I agree.

I hope that the victims find some solace and safety from this whole situation. They really need it.

[ZariusTwo]

Speaking of that, House of Cards is f***ed. There is no way it can end well, now. That show is mainly about Spaceys character. I'm sure they'll finagle something to bring it to some kind of conclusion but there's no way it's going to be satisfying or feel natural.

Here's how the original UK series ended.

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Damn. Kevin Spacey turned out to be disgusting, didn't he? :flaming:

I hope Netflix is able to salvage House of Cards. I love Claire Underwood and Doug Stamper.

Just kill off Frank and move on.

[CyberCubed]

Now the movie American Beauty from 1999 where Kevin Spacey wants to have sex with an underage girl, and is accused of having gay sex with a teenage boy he buys crack from makes so much sense.

And this movie is from 1999, literally 18 years ago. Just think of how long this has been going on.

[NinjaPug]

Yes, you can't forget American Beauty, the movie based on the life of Kevin Spacey that was written, directed and produced by Spacey.

[Krutch]

No lie, American Beauty is my favourite film.

[dl316bh]

I hope Netflix is able to salvage House of Cards. I love Claire Underwood and Doug Stamper.

Just kill off Frank and move on.
I mean, they could try something, but given the whole show is about Spaceys character and the inevitable fall from grace, there's nowhere to move on to. That's sort of what I mean about the show being f***ed. They don't have a lot of options.

[ProphetofGanja]

I mean, they could try something, but given the whole show is about Spaceys character and the inevitable fall from grace, there's nowhere to move on to. That's sort of what I mean about the show being f***ed. They don't have a lot of options.

Yup.

RIP Netflix's House of Cards

[Papenbrook]

Yes, you could say that I'm triggered. :(

[dl316bh]

Yes, you could say that I'm triggered. :(
There's no way that's referring to you. After all, your name's not Pappenbrook.

[TigerClaw]

More trouble for Kevin Spacey, He's been completely cut from a film directed by Ridley Scott, the film was completely, so the director will reshoot all the Kevin Spacey scenes with another actor, Christopher Plummer will be taking over the Kevin Spacey role.
http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/08/kevin-spacey-dropped-completed-movie-ridley-scott-christopher-plummer/

[CyberCubed]

Serves him right. LOCK HIM UP!

[Andrew NDB]

More trouble for Kevin Spacey, He's been completely cut from a film directed by Ridley Scott, the film was completely, so the director will reshoot all the Kevin Spacey scenes with another actor, Christopher Plummer will be taking over the Kevin Spacey role.
http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/08/kevin-spacey-dropped-completed-movie-ridley-scott-christopher-plummer/

That's not necessarily "trouble" for him. It's not like his paycheck for doing the movie gets taken back. Pretty embarrassing, though.

[dl316bh]

It's not really what I'd consider immediate trouble, but it's certainly a bad sign for him. He's lost roles he's already had lined up and now a company is going to the added expense of re-filming his scenes in a completed movie to erase him from it. Seems like he's looking at the old "you'll never work in this town again" treatment.

Whether that's a problem for him depends on the lifestyle he's lived and whether he's saved money, but that's always a question mark, because some stars are astonishingly stupid with their money.

[Andrew NDB]

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[CyberCubed]

The best ending for Kevin Spacey has already been done back in 1995:

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This is his future. Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman will get it done.

[dl316bh]

I'm pretty sure Brad Pitt's probably not putting a few rounds in anybody, just for the sake of not going to prison for the rest of his life.

[Hamato Yoshi]

Didnt Freeman molest a relative of his , there is a rumor about this ?

We dont really know these people , seperating the art from the artist etc

[Papenbrook]

I swear, the lack of transparency in the entertainment industry is making me sick!

https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/kevin-spaceys-theatre-refuses-to-answer-questions-about-its?utm_term=.dkQBXWPlJ#.du8mR0Y46

[ProphetofGanja]

More Than 30,000 People Want Kevin James to Replace Spacey on 'House of Cards' (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjg48m/more-than-30000-people-want-kevin-james-to-replace-spacey-on-house-of-cards-vgtrn)

https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/kevinrobin.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-41918966

Good grief...

[CyberCubed]

http://www.wupr.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/efwfw.jpg

To be honest he always looked like someone you wouldn't want around your children, or a sleezy politician if he didn't become an actor.

[Candy Kappa]

More Than 30,000 People Want Kevin James to Replace Spacey on 'House of Cards' (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wjg48m/more-than-30000-people-want-kevin-james-to-replace-spacey-on-house-of-cards-vgtrn)

https://nationalpostcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/kevinrobin.jpg

Paul Blart Mall Cop 3: Taking the White House

[Papenbrook]

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/house-of-cards-season-6-netflix-kevin-spacey-frank-underwood-robin-wright-a8050501.html

[Papenbrook]

The Old Vic theater uncovered twenty allegations (http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42009596) of sexual misconduct. :(

[Andrew NDB]

The Old Vic theater uncovered twenty allegations (http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42009596) of sexual misconduct. :(

Every time it seems like it can't get any worse for him. He's a legit predator.

[Papenbrook]

There are at least eight (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mother-kevin-spacey-accuser-reveals-shes-heard-at-8-more-alleged-victims-1060200) more victims.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Am I the only one who found it mildly ironic when he came out as gay? After all he WAS the lead actor in a movie about just exactly that- In and Out. :trazz:

[plastroncafe]

Am I the only one who found it mildly ironic when he came out as gay? After all he WAS the lead actor in a movie about just exactly that- In and Out. :trazz:

Gay yes, but only because I was convinced he was bi.

[dl316bh]

Are any of these recent enough to be actionable? At this point, it's clear this guy is a legitimate predator and it's downright alarming how many people he's victimized. Cuffs should be applied if at all possible.

[Andrew NDB]

Are any of these recent enough to be actionable?

Oh yeah. Many.

[Papenbrook]

The UK Police are investigating a(n) assault claim. (https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2017/nov/22/uk-police-investigate-second-kevin-spacey-sexual-assault-claim)

[Andrew NDB]

I was glancing at Jon Bernthal's IMDB and I noticed he has this quote about Spacey on the set of "Baby Driver":

"Going on to that set and working with him, I wasn't there much, but when I was there, he really rubbed me the wrong way. I thought he was a bit of a bully. I didn't really care for the way he was behaving toward some of the other people on set. I remember at the time thinking, 'Man, if that was a woman that he was talking to, I would've done something, I would've said something'. I was really happy to sort of get out of there for that reason, and I just remember losing a ton of respect for him. I think it would be weak of me to sort of pile on about some **** that I don't know about, but the kind of man he was when I saw him, working with him, made me lose all respect for him and I was enormously disappointed."

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1256532/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

[CyberCubed]

Kevin Spacey actually looks like one of those pedophile stalkers in terms of appearance. No wonder Se7en cast him as a serial killer.

[Papenbrook]

The House of Cards production staff is (are) extending (http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/house-of-cards-hiatus-extended-following-kevin-spacey-exit-w512623) the hiatus.

[plastroncafe]

Update!

House of Cards to resume production with Robin Wright as lead (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/dec/04/house-of-cards-to-resume-production-for-final-season-without-kevin-spacey)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Update!

House of Cards to resume production with Robin Wright as lead (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/dec/04/house-of-cards-to-resume-production-for-final-season-without-kevin-spacey)

I liked her character better after Season 4 anyway... she become more dynamic as Frank became somewhat more static.

[Papenbrook]

Anthony Rapp hopes (http://variety.com/2018/film/news/anthony-rapp-kevin-spacey-sexual-misconduct-abuse-culture-1202653164/) that Hollywood will/would change for the better.

In other news, Seth MacFarlane explains the "origin" (http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/04/family-guy-producers-kevin-spacey-joke/) of his Kevin Spacey joke.

Edits:

Scotland Yard investigates a third sexual misconduct claim (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jan/18/kevin-spacey-scotland-yard-investigates-third-sexual-assault-claim-against-actor) against Kevin Spacey.

Also, Spacey was accused of using the n-word (http://www.ebony.com/entertainment-culture/kevin-spacey-racist) while he was on the set of "House of Cards".

The sixth season (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/house-of-cards-season-6-netflix-final-episode-count-robin-wright-kevin-spacey-a8189031.html) of Netflix's House of Cards will be the shortest season in the series.

Joel Kinnaman wasn't shocked (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/house-of-cards-joel-kinnaman-netflix-kevin-spacey-sexual-harassment-misconduct-altered-carbon-a8184756.html ) about the allegations against Kevin Spacey.

While I was skimming YouTube, I found a certainly ... creepy video.

It ... shockingly hints at Spacey's true nature ...

Kevin Spacey might have sexual assault charges filed against him. (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43736452)

[ZariusTwo]

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[The Deadman]

Prosecutors drop groping case against Kevin Spacey
https://www.apnews.com/3a3353b8a69d4226b96d98dacc34a7ed

[Voltron]

That. . . certainly didn't turn out well for the accuser. :o

[Papenbrook]

There may be hope.

Kevin Spacey was charged with four counts of sexual assault. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2022/05/26/kevin-spacey-uk-sexual-assault-charges/)

[Andrew NDB]

Found innocent:

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/celebrity/kevin-spacey-trial-verdict-reached-jurors-sex-abuse-suit-brought-antho-rcna53266

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2022/10/wdnz6hd545dcy8e0jdmn8jmr2l5ijt?fbclid=IwAR3KnNh9JO UOI0wXrjyv_fxm2MLmLiWGjcoSO541gTHGfZ62DfaUBXnV1x4

[ZariusTwo]

They tried to get him again in the UK Courts, but he's been Cleared of all charges there also

https://deadline.com/2023/07/kevin-spacey-found-not-guilty-sex-crimes-southwark-crown-court-trial-1235447146/

[Sumac]

Now I wonder will he sue people who destroyed his carrier and reputation?

[IMJ]

You just have to assume that if the courts went through an entire process and people very educated in the law and morality reviewed everything that their findings are accurate.

I still, honestly like to believe that just court systems in the U.S. and in Europe are the last wall against gaslighting and human bias for "guilt" and other things when measured against real law.

[Barkworm]

I used to be a big fan of his work in the early 2000s. It's a shame his career was destroyed like this.

[Sumac]

I used to be a big fan of his work in the early 2000s. It's a shame his career was destroyed like this.
K-Pax is one of my most favorite movies of all time, due to my fascination with stories set in mental asylums. Don't really remember seeing other movies with Spacy, though.

[ZariusTwo]

K-Pax is one of my most favorite movies of all time, due to my fascination with stories set in mental asylums. Don't really remember seeing other movies with Spacy, though.

Try Glengary GlenRoss, he's a bit of a background character for most of it but the twist at the end is a standout performance.

[Barkworm]

K-Pax is one of my most favorite movies of all time, due to my fascination with stories set in mental asylums. Don't really remember seeing other movies with Spacy, though.

The Usual Suspects, Seven, L.A. Confidential, American Beauty, Superman Returns (lol, just kidding). I remember enjoying K-Pax as well. He's been in a bunch of great films that got even better because of his performances and his wide range.

[IMJ]

The Usual Suspects, Seven, L.A. Confidential, American Beauty, Superman Returns (lol, just kidding). I remember enjoying K-Pax as well. He's been in a bunch of great films that got even better because of his performances and his wide range.

Yeah - and his part in 7 is basically a bit part, but he is good in it. Usual Suspects and American Beauty are great movies.

There is something about the guy though - as well as his "Bryan Singer circles" and so on that just make you feel like his problems are rooted in some kind of truth. Like - the courts decided he wasn't guilty of whatever he was accused of, but you can't help but feel that there is something to it. Maybe he didn't commit a "crime" against another person, but that there is some kind of lifestyle thing or a weird kink that he has that opens the door to whatever actually went down with him.

But as far as movies go - yeah he's been in a few good ones.

[Mayhem]

More a case I feel of not enough evidence to sway the jury.

[Andrew NDB]

There is something about the guy though - as well as his "Bryan Singer circles"

And I only really know of three guys who traveled in "Bryan Singer circles" -- Kevin Spacey, Anthony Rapp and Brad Renfro. One of them saw a ton of accusations, one of them is a talentless blowhard, and one of them killed himself.

[Coola Yagami]

K-Pax is one of my most favorite movies of all time, due to my fascination with stories set in mental asylums. Don't really remember seeing other movies with Spacy, though.

I just happened to see Spacey as Luthor in Superman Returns and as the asshole boss from Horrible Bosses.

My god was Jennifer Anniston smokin' in that one.

[Sumac]

The Usual Suspects, Seven, L.A. Confidential, American Beauty, Superman Returns (lol, just kidding). I remember enjoying K-Pax as well. He's been in a bunch of great films that got even better because of his performances and his wide range.
I've seen American Beauty, but was too young to figure out what was going on. It is not a genre I am interested in, nowadays.

I've seen Superman Returns, but everything and everyone in this movie were a boring slog.

I take note of other movies, thank you.

There is something about the guy though - as well as his "Bryan Singer circles" and so on that just make you feel like his problems are rooted in some kind of truth. Like - the courts decided he wasn't guilty of whatever he was accused of, but you can't help but feel that there is something to it. Maybe he didn't commit a "crime" against another person, but that there is some kind of lifestyle thing or a weird kink that he has that opens the door to whatever actually went down with him.
My problem with this thing, is that nothing was conclusively proven.

SJW, ironically, will hate me for saying this, but if I want to live in a state ruled by a law, I prefer verdicts, being handled by courts, not by mob on Twatter, which is even less than a real life mob. If person is guilty they should be judged according to law.

I understand there are many factors at play and wealth and good lawyers can make all the difference, but even than - vigilantism is a road to nowhere. Its basically subscribing to the idea that laws don't work and there should be exceptions handled by forces outside of law. But where is there one exception then there's other. And another.

Laws might not always work, but it is much better than a state run by mobs and vigilantes.

[IMJ]

And I only really know of three guys who traveled in "Bryan Singer circles" -- Kevin Spacey, Anthony Rapp and Brad Renfro. One of them saw a ton of accusations, one of them is a talentless blowhard, and one of them killed himself.

Yeah, you clearly understand what I'm getting at there as well as the truth as to how that works. People homogenize to some degree with only a few outliers here or there in a homogenized group.

I've seen American Beauty, but was too young to figure out what was going on. It is not a genre I am interested in, nowadays.

That is a very, very good movie that captures the mid-life crisis without apology. Crazy flick.


My problem with this thing, is that nothing was conclusively proven.

Ehhhhhh.... Well, but you know what? That's the key because that is how you get through the human penchant for witch-hunts and gas-lighting, man.

Look over the years here on these forums - at how much bull$#!( has been pencil-whipped from witch-hunters without "proof". Look at the level of problems that causes. "You are a RACIST!" "You are a MYSOGYNIST!" and all of other weak-person tactics that harm otherwise good people who aren't actually "racists" and "mysogynists". And so courts run on 'conclusive proof' exactly for that reason - because there are more peasants who run their mouths than kings who deliver on the goods.

[Sumac]

That is a very, very good movie that captures the mid-life crisis without apology. Crazy flick.
Its like the last thing I need right now, lol.

[IMJ]

Its like the last thing I need right now, lol.

HAHAHAHAHA :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Cowabung-Gal]

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[Hamato Yoshi]

if someone is , say , accused of selling fake autographs then its usually true.......so yes , people do judge if thats the case regardless of court of law

Ari Behn (RIP) (ex of princess Martha of Norway) said Kevin groped him , i think Ari told the truth so yeah , in my eyes Kevin is prolly guilty