Is there a "toxicity" in this fandom?

[Andrew NDB]

Or specifically this board? I don't think there is at all but I had a very strange discussion today on Facebook.

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Where do you guys come down on this? Am I way off?

[Coola Yagami]

Or specifically this board? I don't think there is at all but I had a very strange discussion today on Facebook.

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Where do you guys come down on this? Am I way off?

Oh.... so they encountered Cybercubed. How unfortunate.

[TMNachoT]

There's toxicity in any tmnt group/board/forum where there are fans from different tmnt versions

[Andrew NDB]

There's toxicity in any tmnt group/board/forum where there are fans from different tmnt versions

But is that really "toxicity" or is that just... the way it is?

[ProphetofGanja]

Well, his taste in movies is undeniably trash at the least :lol:

[TigerClaw]

be ready when the 2018 series comes out, I'm sure there are gonna be people who will like this version better then any of the previous version.

its a never ending cycle.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

This community used to be much worse. The last time we have actually had a good times discussing the differences between various TMNT-versions, and which one fans prefer. (I created some during mid-2016, more came from various users)

[Ninjinister]

It can be pretty terrible here, but I'm more bothered by the presentation of the opinion. If ya like something, don't like something, good for you, you've made it known. Some people agree, some people don't, alright, have a cookie.

Wait... you're stating the same thing again in the same topic? Almost verbatim? Without prompt?

Why are you complaining about this unrelated thing in this topic?

Don't you think you're being a bit of a drama queen by stating that everything you disagree with is "ruining the franchise", no matter how small?

Why do you keep visiting threads about things you don't like just to keep sh*tting on them? Like repeatedly over the course of months?

Are you really pretending your opinion is law?

-These are the things that bother me. Having an opinion is one thing. Disagreeing is totally acceptable. But if you're an adult, you should be behaving as an adult, internet or not.

[Prowler]

I don't really know the fandom beyond this website. Do old "FW and first 3 movies only" fans count as part of the fandom?

It's divisive to to all the big differences between each incarnation/version of the TMNT. Naturally people will have different preferences as to how they want the TMNT portrayed.

I guess there is some toxicity, but I've been to worse fandoms. Like wrestling forums, for example. Oh man... and anime communities as well.

[Toitlefan]

I’d say you proved the guys point. I personally don’t agree with his preferences but that doesn’t make him wrong. And what’s this about people threatening to leave and not follow through? :twink:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Bah humbug.

This is the fandom, right here. Everyone else is a filthy casual, right, Cubed?

[Sumac]

Eh, compared to other places, those forums are nice and cozy.

[IndigoErth]

That's like the internet in general these days though. People always having to be "right" or be an ass toward others for an opinon they don't agree with creates a vicious circle however.

Person 1: States opinions/views/feeling on something.
Person 2: Can't leave it alone, has to counter them and try to invalidate person 1's opinion/feeling on it, or simply insults them if they have nothing to actually offer on the topic.
Person 1: Because invalidated, continues to "complain" or otherwise discuss it.
Person 2: Continues to be an ass because they refuse to see they're part of the problem since they can't leave well enough alone and let a person have their say without having to butt in. Behavior continues to try to invalidate.
And so on...


I've still seen far worse non-TMNT places online.

[plastroncafe]

As fandoms go I think this one's pretty mild. Or at least it is now.

Which isn't to say it doesn't have its fair share of edgelord crap, and gatekeepery bs.

I would consider that stuff toxic.

[sdp]

Yes, all fandoms have their toxic re-curring topics but in general things are fine here.

I consider a toxic fandom those that have reputations that outgrow their communities, My Little Pony, Rick & Morty, Sonic the Hedgehog, are some examples.


As far as this board, I've known since I joined that it had a bad reputation but I don't see it really, people have bickered about 2k3 not being the OT, TNM sucking, PD movies ruining the TMNT but in general things are rather tame here, never understood the "bad reputation".

[Utrommaniac]

Fortunately, I don't think the TMNT fandom could nearly hit the levels that the Rick and Morty fandom has..

[IndigoErth]

What's so bad about those compared to TMNT, if you guys don't mind giving examples?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

With Sonic it is probably the profusion of furries in the fandom I would imagine. I think if that's not a particular fan's bag it might get kind of annoying after a while.

[DestronMirage22]

This fandom (and by extent this forum) is sort of like a weird melting pot.
There have been so many versions of TMNT throughout the years, and each one has appealed to different audiences, and depending on each individuals circumstances (maybe it was the show going on at the time, maybe our first comic book, first exposure to the brand, etc.) we each have a version we’re convinced is the best. And because we love that version that much, we tend to voice that opinion (sometimes loudly) and we want to convince others of the same. This can strike some people as annoying. But “toxic”??? I don’t see how. As far as I can tell, we’re about the same as any other fandom.

And as far as these boards go, let’s face it; some of us are whack-jobs. :lol:
We insult and berate each other frequently, are very judgmental of others’ opinion, and we can be really fickle in regards to the direction the brand takes.
But I like to think of that as part of this place’s appeal. :)

[Sumac]

Echoing previous statement - due to amount of TMNT incarnations its just hard to find hardcore fanboys of only one of them. Therefor, low amounts of toxicity.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

In truth? This board is as toxic as cyanide. But you can survive here. If you lay low, keep your mouth shut, block the people who you just can't get along with, only post in threads you want to have a discussion in, and bail on a discussion when a thread turns into a toxic argument, and you'll be just fine.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

There's other fandoms that can be like this. Sonic, MLP, and of course, Batman. There's some that think Batman should only be dark and gritty, some that think the Nolan series are the only true Batman films, and others who think only Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill should voice Batman and Joker.

[dl316bh]

I don't think it's the fandom or the board itself so much as half the members seem like they hate each other.

And you want to see proof of this board's toxicity? Look at the insulting tag added to this thread after I posted. This board makes it too easy sometimes.
The tags are always good if you feel like rolling your eyes.

[Ninjinister]

only post in threads you want to have a discussion in,

Wouldn't not doing this be pointless and counter-productive?

[Sumac]

Wouldn't not doing this be pointless and counter-productive?
Why?
I believe, if you have nothing to say, then it's better to say nothing at all, rather flood every topic with "whatever" thoughts.

[Ninjinister]

Why?
I believe, if you have nothing to say, then it's better to say nothing at all, rather flood every topic with "whatever" thoughts.

Isn't that what I was just saying....?

[Vegita-San]

But is that really "toxicity" or is that just... the way it is?

a bit of both.


rudeness, insulting behavior, and down right insanity are the new norm on message boards these days.


gone is the way of most conversation, and in it's place is 'I'm right, your stupid if you think I'm wrong and boo on you'..attitude.

It's even worse now due to the rise of the insulting SJW and feminist behavior. that's one reason why the Block button is so important. and even that isn't 100% perfect in helping to keep your sanity online these days.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's a playground or a prison exercise yard. Find the biggest baddest user, attack him, show you have no fear and that you're crazy.

Then don't be afraid to shiv the guards or the white supremacist gang down in the next cellblock.

Or, to return to the playground, analogy, hit the bully who was held back two years in a row with a rock when he tries to take your buddy's retainer.

[Sumac]

Isn't that what I was just saying....?
Sorry, I am ****ed up. :tlol:

P.S.
Also, can moderators do something about idiotic tag?

[plastroncafe]

It's even worse now due to the rise of the insulting SJW and feminist behavior. that's one reason why the Block button is so important. and even that isn't 100% perfect in helping to keep your sanity online these days.

Translation:
Wah! My safe space has been infiltrated by people I think are less than me and they demand I be treated as if they're my equals!

[IndigoErth]

Erm, yeah, what exactly is "feminist behavior" in this fandom? Wishing for a few more female mutants...?

[Sumac]

It's even worse now due to the rise of the insulting SJW and feminist behavior. that's one reason why the Block button is so important. and even that isn't 100% perfect in helping to keep your sanity online these days.
Why is feminist behavior is insulting and where does it appear in relation to TMNT?

Especially considering that TMNT always had a sizable female fanbase.

[Vegita-San]

just referring to the new types of posts one often sees in fandom these days. not specific to tmnt but it is elsewhere.

just more of the toxicity you see online these days.

[Spike Spiegel]

Every fandom is toxic to a degree.

What I've seen on this board is small potatoes compared to what's on Reddit, DeviantArt, and Tumblr. If anything, I think that the slightly antiquated quality that old style message boards have seems to weed out the really crazy people.

[ProphetofGanja]

just referring to the new types of posts one often sees in fandom these days. not specific to tmnt but it is elsewhere.

just more of the toxicity you see online these days.

You equating feminism with toxicity is itself toxic and it's why I can't ****ing stand you

[Bry]

Translation:
Wah! My safe space has been infiltrated by people I think are less than me and they demand I be treated as if they're my equals!

Erm, yeah, what exactly is "feminist behavior" in this fandom? Wishing for a few more female mutants...?

Why is feminist behavior is insulting and where does it appear in relation to TMNT?

Especially considering that TMNT always had a sizable female fanbase.

I can tell you this much: if a community is swamped with certain members who're constantly whining about feminism or "SJWs" (and said whining is usually triggered by absolutely nothing at all), that's not a place I wanna spend a lot of time. It's especially bizarre in this place. Just insane, obsessive axe-grinding that some folks are just desperate to dreg up and fight over.

In general, dudes who sincerely use terms like "SJW" and "cuck" are just... not gonna be pleasant to talk to or be around at any point. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

Person 1: States opinions/views/feeling on something.
Person 2: Can't leave it alone, has to counter them and try to invalidate person 1's opinion/feeling on it, or simply insults them if they have nothing to actually offer on the topic.
Person 1: Because invalidated, continues to "complain" or otherwise discuss it.
Person 2: Continues to be an ass because they refuse to see they're part of the problem since they can't leave well enough alone and let a person have their say without having to butt in. Behavior continues to try to invalidate.
And so on...




That's.... Cubed in a nutshell. Say anything bad about the 2K3 or 2012 series and he'll randomly swoop down like a vulture to 'correct you' and explain 'why you're wrong' and why the character or episode you think sucks is actually the best ever and there's something wrong with you for thinking the opposite.

Lol what indeed.

When he thinks he has the final word and nothing else could be possibly said to disprove him, he calls for the thread to be locked.

Oh my god. I finally figured it out.... he's not a man. Not a troll. Not even a plant.

He's the living embodiment of the toxicity of the tmnt fanbase. It grew so powerful that it took human form and gained sentience. This probably happened some day in May I believe.

[Vegita-San]

He's the living embodiment of the toxicity of the tmnt fanbase. It grew so powerful that it took human form and gained sentience. This probably happened some day in May I believe.

If so, he got cloned on other message boards.

another dude on the only forum I got banned on had the exact same MO. Only everyone pretty much universally agrees he's a Disney plant.

He insults your opinions. he berades and belittles you with ass like comments. and somehow gets away with it all too, because on that board if you have any kind of hollywood connection you apparently get free reign to be a jerk.

anything, I think that the slightly antiquated quality that old style message boards have seems to weed out the really crazy people.

Not all of them. and some are so bad, they MAKE you crazy just trying to think up the weird 'logic' some people use and the complete 180 degree turns into insanity some people take totally out of the blue.

as rough as this place gets sometime, I find it's alot more sane than that other forum.

[IndigoErth]

If anything, I think that the slightly antiquated quality that old style message boards have seems to weed out the really crazy people.
True, maybe the advent of social media has helped that? At least for the rapid fire ones who might find message boards and their bigger discussions too much work and easier to block them.


living embodiment of the toxicity
Am I the only one that immediately pictured the pink slime from Ghostbusters? lol

[Coola Yagami]

True, maybe the advent of social media has helped that? At least for the rapid fire ones who might find message boards and their bigger discussions too much work and easier to block them.



Am I the only one that immediately pictured the pink slime from Ghostbusters? lol

He might be.

To his credit, at least Cubed doesn't insult you too horribly. He just has trouble (or a stubborn refusal) admitting that other people have different opinions than his and his word isn't law.

[newfan]

He might be.

To his credit, at least Cubed doesn't insult you too horribly. He just has trouble (or a stubborn refusal) admitting that other people have different opinions than his and his word isn't law.

I was just about to point that out, I may have only been here a short time and so I've only seen a few be nasty/swearing/personally attacking others, however Cubed is not one of them.

As for the thread in general, like others I think it's everywhere. As for this site, again I've not been on here long enough to say for sure, I've seen it but there's also a lot of reasonable discussion too. (can't speak for time past)

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, you missed all that movie drama and craziness. Pretty bad at times, but lets be honest... it could be pretty entertaining, too. :trazz: At least if you don't try to take it too seriously.


This site is more like a half-grown angry puppy compared to some of the swamp monsters elsewhere on the internet.

[newfan]

Yeah, you missed all that movie drama and craziness. Pretty bad at times, but lets be honest... it could be pretty entertaining, too. :trazz: At least if you don't try to take it too seriously.


This site is more like a half-grown angry puppy compared to some of the swamp monsters elsewhere on the internet.

Yeah I heard about 2014, just didn't know to what extent it was. Actually when I was browsing TMNT and came across this site it seemd fairly reasonable :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Pffft. 2014/2016 was nothing compared to the onslaught of the Booty Sigs.

[plastroncafe]

Ugh, the booty sigs...

[Sumac]

just referring to the new types of posts one often sees in fandom these days. not specific to tmnt but it is elsewhere.

just more of the toxicity you see online these days.
Feminism is not toxicity.

[Sabacooza]

Feminism is not toxicity.It certainly can be when it goes too far just like anything else.

[Vegita-San]

Yeah, you missed all that movie drama and craziness. Pretty bad at times, but lets be honest... it could be pretty entertaining, too. :trazz: At least if you don't try to take it too seriously.


This site is more like a half-grown angry puppy compared to some of the swamp monsters elsewhere on the internet.

That's all you can do to survive is try and NOT take it too seriously.


although the latter half of the comment applies to my other post about a certain movie from last year that we shall dare not name :).

[neatoman]

Feminism is not toxicity.

Sure about that?
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[Andrew NDB]

Pffft. 2014/2016 was nothing compared to the onslaught of the Booty Sigs.

Ugh, the booty sigs...

What booty sigs?

[TurtleWA]

TMNT is no different than any other subject. I think there are just toxic people in life. I’m doubt TMNT as a franchise attracts the toxic folks more than any other franchise. If it was a magnet for toxicity then the question I would want to ask is...What about TMNT brings out the worse in people more so than other subjects?

[sdp]

What booty sigs?

The Booty Sig Scandal
http://thedrome.wikia.com/wiki/Booty_Sigs
Originally started by Ryona, “booty sigs” were close up pictures of anime girl rears that several members used as their signatures. Most people thought it was stupid and it died out within a month. Interestingly enough Ryona was harrased over PM about the sigs by a middle-aged member who thought they were inappropriate for a TMNT forum despite the fact that Krang didn't give a damn about it.

Booty Sigs re-ignited the discussion of "How old does a Dromer need to be to be allowed on the forums?"-discussion, last seen when Hannah signed up. However, Hannah's proven to be a mostly exceptional, if slightly erratic, young lady on the forums, the discussion died down quickly and younger members were welcomed with open arms.
With Buslady's complaint, that discussion was briefly re-ignited and it was decided upon that everyone under 13 years of age had no claims to make on the forums. Krang intervened, citing artistic expression as a reason for everyone to shut up,

It is assumed that Buslady's son is still reeling from the trauma inflicted upon him by half-covered anime buttocks.

Trivia:
Have the power to offend ten year-olds.
Bring soccer moms onto the barricades
Are not considered to be harmful to minors by Krang.


https://i.imgur.com/REARbMn.jpg

There was this period where pretty much everyone had a "booty" sig, IIRC it started with like only like one or two users, some people with "No Fun allowed" attitude complained which sparked the majority of the forum to change their sigs to booty sigs and it lasted a while. It was fairly funny seeing it all unfold and backfire.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

ROFL. I forgot there was a wiki.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I believe there is "toxicity" over here but its not exclusive to the technodrome forums.

Perhaps toxicity is not the best word, since it really can't harm you unless you let it. I'd say a better word is unpleasantness.

Its ugly, but you can still be happy regardless if you don't make a big deal out of it.

[IndigoErth]

Somehow I'm not sad that it was before I joined.

[Casey]

Replying to the title of the thread: how could it be anymore than any other fandom? And I wouldn’t say you “proved his point,” and not juts because I agree with you and also thought your photo reply was hilarious.

[neatoman]

ROFL. I forgot there was a wiki.

I didn't even know there was one, guess I know Cubed's real name now.

[inaheap]

I think these forums are a fun place to hang out. I suppose it is like just about any place, on the internet or a physical location. It is mostly fun, sometimes there is a little nastiness between people to be avoided. Mostly I find the people here helpful and fun to chat with.

[Andrew NDB]

Replying to the title of the thread: how could it be anymore than any other fandom?

Yeah, I don't get it. What kind of 100% "safe space" back-patting fandom communities are out there?

The Booty Sig Scandal
http://thedrome.wikia.com/wiki/Booty_Sigs


https://i.imgur.com/REARbMn.jpg

There was this period where pretty much everyone had a "booty" sig, IIRC it started with like only like one or two users, some people with "No Fun allowed" attitude complained which sparked the majority of the forum to change their sigs to booty sigs and it lasted a while. It was fairly funny seeing it all unfold and backfire.

Can we get back to that? Let's get back to that.

[Candy Kappa]

Is there?

Yes, yes there is.

[Jester]

Such is any fandom enjoyed by humans with quirks and differing opinions.

[plastroncafe]

In this Fandom The Drome has a reputation of being a toxic place. I can confirm this anecdotally, as more than a few people have said this to me on various other social media platforms.

And having spent a good deal of time here, I can't say I disagree.

Other places being worse doesn't negate our well earned reputation.

[sdp]

If it's so toxic why do you stay? You've mentioned before that you've found better platforms than forums to discuss TMNT in. Just wondering.

If this forum is toxic, those guys haven't been members of that many forums to compare. Every forum will have it's specific issues, the Jurassic Park community is JP/// and the Spinosaurus beating the T-Rex :lol: For many years I was a member of a KoRn Message Board where you coldn't discuss KoRn and KoRn fans were made fun of because the majority of the members had outgrown KoRn :lol: There are places where fandoms are automatically toxic, like most tumblr communities for any franchise or the shipping subculture in fandoms. In general fandoms as a whole will be exclusive until you "get in",

[Sumac]

'Drome is not any more toxic than any other fandom. I'd say in many regards it is more lax. At least, when it comes to TMNT. As for relationships between people - it has nothing to do specifically with Turtles and more with just people being jerks.

It certainly can be when it goes too far just like anything else.
Then it stops being Feminism and becomes zealous ranting.

The Booty Sig Scandal
Can we get it back? Please, with cherry on top. :tlol:

[plastroncafe]

Saying something isn't any more toxic doesn't make it not toxic.

And I stay because leaving wouldn't be anywhere near as much fun.

[Vegita-San]

If it's so toxic why do you stay? Y

Sometimes a place is just more active than other places one visits.

Again, going on the prop forum. BubblyShell suggested I leave, because it was getting to be a headache. but, apart from a few members causing problems and being combative (just like here, only X5 more aggressive and insulting) I really did enjoy the more calm conversation of the place. It wasn't until I made the mistake of telling off a mod that he wasn't doing his job at stopping problems before they escalated that I 'decided' to permanently leave ;o).

and despite some of it's annoying problems, this place can be fun when it's calmer. you do have to have a certain sarcastic shell to survive at times though.

[Wretched Reptile]

I've participated in many fandoms over many years. This is no different than anything else. Differing opinions is all well and good and completely normal. It's often the inability to "agree to disagree" (like everything else in life lol, look around you right now) that sparks the feeling of toxicity and the like.

I do think, however, that TMNT fans are far more passionate and opinionated than some other fandoms out there. And that's a good thing, no matter which side you fall on whatever argument. I'd rather someone passionately care immensely about something I disagree with to a certain extent in this fandom (or any other) than care nothing at all - because once you can't be bothered to care, this fandom and many others will inevitably die. And that's not what any of us wants, no matter what we might think on occasion otherwise. It's natural to be possessive of something you care tremendously about. We all have personal perspectives, feelings and memories tied up in all of this that belong to us and us alone. I think THAT often gets in the way of realizing not everyone can and will think of all this the exact same way you do. And why should they? And what fun would that ultimately end up being? It's interesting to see how a property like this has continued to enrich and touch people's lives in varying ways and how they feel about it years on.

I don't post all that often but I do lurk a lot and enjoy seeing the opinions and the energy on display here. It pleases me greatly that so many still care so much about these characters. That's the best feeling to me I can have regardless of the particulars at any given time. TMNT is alive and well and looks to continue to be so for a long, long time.

[Sumac]

Saying something isn't any more toxic doesn't make it not toxic.
Not really. There is difference in toxicity between 'Drome and, say, 4Chan.

Besides, people nowadays call "toxic" anything that they don't like or that don't align with their ideas. So, in general, the word "toxicity" is overused and lost pretty much any serious meaning, like the words "offended", "outrage", e.t.c.

So question, how toxic this place is? IMO, not much.
It's just, as I said, people this days have become overzealous and want to put this label on everything that they don't like.

The better question would be, how much of 'Drome discussions they have seen or for how long they lurked here, before coming to such conclusion.

[ProphetofGanja]

This is the only thing I want to think of when I hear the word "toxicity":

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[Andrew NDB]

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[sdp]

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[dl316bh]

The better question would be, how much of 'Drome discussions they have seen or for how long they lurked here, before coming to such conclusion.
I lurked for years and I kind of got the impression too. I think part of it is the infighting and jabs. It's not just the tags or anything like that, I feel like I've seen a lot of pissing contests over the years, some that got downright nasty.

But, you know, I still joined. To some degree, I think a fair number of forums with a decent number of active people will have problems, because with the different people around, you're going to have jerks. If you're going to measure degrees of toxicity, I'd think this place would only be mid-range. I've seen some uglier forums over the years. There were some big comic forums that were poorly moderated and insufferable years back, for example.

There are perks here, too. A good bit of you seem alright and are pleasant enough to talk to. I don't feel like anyone was ever "BEGONE, NEWBIE" or anything like that. I've only used it once, but the option to "block" people is a nice one to have if you need it and not every forum has the option. People involved in the IDW comics come here, which is cool.

[Ninjinister]

I think one of the catalysts might be that this place seems... I don't know, undermoderated these days? I see Jester here and once in a while Voltron, but like... almost never anybody else. That's not to throw dirt on any of the mods at all... there's scads more important going on in any of their lives than this place, I'm sure... but I may be misremembering, but there seemed to have been more of these conversations that get out of hand being nipped in the bud before they became too terrible back in the day.

[Jester]

I think one of the catalysts might be that this place seems... I don't know, undermoderated these days? I see Jester here and once in a while Voltron, but like... almost never anybody else. That's not to throw dirt on any of the mods at all... there's scads more important going on in any of their lives than this place, I'm sure... but I may be misremembering, but there seemed to have been more of these conversations that get out of hand being nipped in the bud before they became too terrible back in the day.

Yeah...i can't argue with this post 1 bit...

[Andrew NDB]

I think one of the catalysts might be that this place seems... I don't know, undermoderated these days?

What are they supposed to moderate, exactly? This isn't 2003, everybody here is like in their 30s or 40s by now. Who is it that needs protecting, and from what?

[ProphetofGanja]

What are they supposed to moderate, exactly? This isn't 2003, everybody here is like in their 30s or 40s by now. Who is it that needs protecting, and from what?

I agree with this sentiment.

I don't think we need our conversations policed, but the forums could benefit from more timely approvals of new members, username change requests, stuff like that

[Andrew NDB]

I don't think we need our conversations policed, but the forums could benefit from more timely approvals of new members, username change requests, stuff like that

True, true.

[Ninjinister]

What are they supposed to moderate, exactly? This isn't 2003, everybody here is like in their 30s or 40s by now. Who is it that needs protecting, and from what?

Not sure what you mean. People are obviously incapable of keeping themselves from GIFTing hard and they need a smack sometimes.

If users are in their 30s and 40s and still act like they're children... are they really adults at all?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Toxic? Man you guys should have seen the Marvel boards in the early 2000's. It got so bad at times that some of the Mods even got threatening pm's. No joke. There were flame wars worse than the 2014 Bay movie forum especially in the character "vs." section. Trolls and fanboi rages were a regular occurance. And the list of nuked threads and flagged posts grew DAILY. Sometimes mods waded through a DOZEN pages or more of flagged posts every day. I know because I was one of them. It's one reason why I say I would never do that job again.

[dl316bh]

Toxic? Man you guys should have seen the Marvel boards in the early 2000's.
Haha, yeah. And the DC Message Boards were just as bad. I mean, wow. Insufferable from top to bottom. What was it about official forums that seemed to attract that?

[Vegita-San]

I think one of the catalysts might be that this place seems... I don't know, undermoderated these days? I see Jester here and once in a while Voltron, but like... almost never anybody else. That's not to throw dirt on any of the mods at all... there's scads more important going on in any of their lives than this place, I'm sure... but I may be misremembering, but there seemed to have been more of these conversations that get out of hand being nipped in the bud before they became too terrible back in the day.

i don't remember it being as crazy back in the day. only in the last 5 years or so where it got to the point i left for a while.

Only a few people I would think could benefit from a membership revoking, and i think the place would run a little smoother that way. one reason why i'm glad i'm not mod of a forum. It's easy to sit back and make decisions when you're not responsible for them :). glad my forums are not still around these days. oy.

[Machias Banshee]

Yeah...i can't argue with this post 1 bit...

Yeah, I agree with this as well. I"m usually in lurk mode when I stop in, but life has kept me very busy and away from the fandom. :ohwell:

Unfortunately, some of the items that have to be taken care of are only at an administrative level (translation: above my head). We can take care of battles and help with technical issues regarding threads, but the moderator team isn't what is used to be...

[biganimefan]

There is I think some toxicity in these forums, but it's not that bad when it comes down to it. I know back a few years ago when the "movie" came out I thought things were downright awful. I didn't stop to think that Andrew and others knew what they were talking about when they called some forum users "plants". I just took it as a personal attack on people that might actually like the movie. Now, the PD movies are VERY much guilty pleasures for me but the movies themselves are hardly defensible and I have no desire to attempt to.

[pferreira]

Oh boy, not sure what to say here without offending certain users. From Andrew's screen captures I do really agree with AJ Zipper and definitely Austin Darrell. I've been the victim of various abuse here for liking something I shouldn't or finding something worthy so I get shamed or made fun of through gifs as in I'm some kind of mental patient with limited Internet access or in one case get personal details leaked. I don't see how this is me pretending to being a victim guys. If the forum's bad reputation is spilling outside then some users here need to look at how they are conducting themselves towards others. We're all fans of TMNT at the end of the day so why can't the fans just get along and respect each other? I mean its such an easy rule to forget that we'd like to be treated as we do to others. Not too much to ask.

That's like the internet in general these days though. People always having to be "right" or be an ass toward others for an opinon they don't agree with creates a vicious circle however.I think the problem is when someone isn't allowed an opinion. I personally would never
say someone's opinion is rubbish because they don't like what I like while shaming them.

In truth? This board is as toxic as cyanide. But you can survive here. If you lay low, keep your mouth shut, block the people who you just can't get along with, only post in threads you want to have a discussion in, and bail on a discussion when a thread turns into a toxic argument, and you'll be just fine.I really need to take you advise there. :D

You equating feminism with toxicity is itself toxic and it's why I can't ****ing stand youThe idea of feminism isn't toxic, it's the current state of it that is mostly corrupt. There are some genuine individuals but the loudest voices are people like Anita Sarkeesian or neatoman's video links presenting Big Red that get heard the most.

Why?
I believe, if you have nothing to say, then it's better to say nothing at all, rather flood every topic with "whatever" thoughts.I never understood why people troll parts of the forum like the General Forum when they have no interest in something related to that. Or leave comments in the FW forum posts like "who cares, it's the FW series" I mean why waste your time doing that? I haven't got much enthusiasm for the fan fiction or Nick sections but I don't go troll there. I think some responsibility and maturity is needed.

[Andrew NDB]

There is I think some toxicity in these forums, but it's not that bad when it comes down to it. I know back a few years ago when the "movie" came out I thought things were downright awful. I didn't stop to think that Andrew and others knew what they were talking about when they called some forum users "plants".

But they weren't forum users. They were PLANTS! There's a thread somewhere in the PD subforum where I exposed the hive of them.

[shuriken]

But they weren't forum users. They were PLANTS! There's a thread somewhere in the PD subforum where I exposed the hive of them.

Yeah I remember that. It was weird. I mean I enjoyed the 2 PD turtle movies, but I knew they were junk when I saw them. Still better than TMNT (07) ugh

I dunno man, this place is pretty mild IMO, but then again I've lurked through some garbage at 4Chan and some old Marvel forums so I dunno, probably just desensitized. I don't post as much mainly because I don't find it as fun as I did before. I get a chuckle every now and then but not like before. Like I still read the comics and play the old video games but I don't really care about talking about it with other people that have already pretty much heard it all before and are already set in their ways I guess. Plus I haven't watched the latest 2 seasons of the NIck show so there's less discussion material, I don't collect as much figures anymore and some members here are pretty insufferable, and a lot of the people I enjoyed interacting with are either banned or just left so yeah.
Booty sigs were dumb, and buslady was ok, just a bit up tight in that respect.
I do miss Goku though, that guy was a trip:lol:

[biganimefan]

But they weren't forum users. They were PLANTS! There's a thread somewhere in the PD subforum where I exposed the hive of them.

And I know that now. Just back then I had no idea something like that happens. TMNT is really the only forum I've ever spent any serious time with. I just saw it as flaming overenthusiastic fans at the time. It was ignorance on my part.

[sdp]

But they weren't forum users. They were PLANTS! There's a thread somewhere in the PD subforum where I exposed the hive of them.

someone link that thread, I missed all that drama :lol:

[Krutch]

I'm still not convinced we even had plants to begin with, personally.

Were a bunch of new accounts made who were excited for the new movie around the time the new movie was about to come out? Sure. Did they defend the new movie? Yep. Are any around nowadays? Nope. This is all still very extremely circumstancial "evidence" to go by.

When marketing begins for a new movie, it's going to by design usher in new fans to the fandom. Those that come here, fresh off new interest from trailers, will very likely want to talk about that specifically since that's what rekindled their interest. Why did they leave? Well, disgregard everything someone posts and shout PLAAAAAANT at them long enough, see how long anyone will stick around.

Unless I missed something, I still don't see any concrete proof that we had plants.

As for whether or not the fandom is toxic, ehhh... Not really. I mean, certain users are going to come off more brash and less reasonable than others, but that's not exactly toxic. It's just an odd fandom to be apart of since the franchise is rich with a wide range stories ranging from mature graphic novels to live rock concerts.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm still not convinced we even had plants to begin with, personally.

Were a bunch of new accounts made who were excited for the new movie around the time the new movie was about to come out? Sure. Did they defend the new movie? Yep. Are any around nowadays? Nope. This is all still very extremely circumstancial "evidence" to go by.

You've missed key threads, then. A gang of people who all joined at the exact same time who were all Friends (if you view their profile) with one another in-forum who all post and react to others in exactly the same tone to exactly the same end... that's what the Drome was hit with, at the precise time the OotS marketing machine was revving up and concluded at the precise time it no longer made any more fiscal sense to continue. It is quantifiable.

[Krutch]

I did miss that, yeah.

It's still not concrete but makes a stronger case.

[Ninjinister]

I'm still not convinced we even had plants to begin with, personally.


Considering that the plant/shill shouts are what people usually yell out just to drown out people they disagree with, I'm inclined to agree.

The only "evidence" I saw here was as flimsy as toilet paper on taco day.

[Powder]

We 100% did in fact have plants. Not as many as Andrew believes, but a handful or more were confirmed by having matching IP addresses when banned.

[Vegita-San]

I sometimes wonder who the plants are in ghostbuster fandom. alot of those people talked and reacted the same way to bad movies too..just as our plants did.

and then vanished from the communities without a trace as soon as the promotional period ended.


apparently the only way to promote a bad movie is to be a jerk online and cause division. i will never understand that tactic.

[myconius]

Or specifically this board? I don't think there is at all but I had a very strange discussion today on Facebook.

http://www.highlander-community.com/sss01.jpg

http://www.highlander-community.com/sss02.jpg

http://www.highlander-community.com/sss03.jpg

Where do you guys come down on this? Am I way off?


what the **** is she talking about?

SHE'S toxic! :lol:

[Sumac]

apparently the only way to promote a bad movie is to be a jerk online and cause division. i will never understand that tactic.
There is no such thing as "bad PR" for the project.

Any noise is a good noise, whether it is some kind of political controversy, death of the actor or something like that. Anything that attracts attention - is a good thing in the eyes of those people. Even if in the end it doesn't help gather enough money.

[plastroncafe]

what the **** is she talking about?

SHE'S toxic! :lol:

Nah, she just appreciates her free time more than some of us do.

[myconius]

Nah, she just appreciates her free time more than some of us do.

i've had her once comment on a post i made on a FB group.

her reply was a bit pretentious. don't really care for her.

[plastroncafe]

i've had her once comment on a post i made on a FB group.

her reply was a bit pretentious. don't really care for her.

That's one over on me.
I don't know her at all.

[myconius]

That's one over on me.
I don't know her at all.

i don't actually KNOW know her.

but my interacts with her on that FB Group didn't make a very good impression.

i found it very ironic that she of all people should be talking toxicity.

guess anyone that doesn't share her similar views must be toxic? :lol:

[plastroncafe]

i don't actually KNOW know her.

but my interacts with her on that FB Group didn't make a very good impression.

i found it very ironic that she of all people should be talking toxicity.

guess anyone that doesn't share her similar views must be toxic? :lol:

Nah, dude.
People having a difference of opinion isn't what makes something a toxic environment.

It's how folks approach that difference of opinion, and how they're treated in the wake of that difference of opinion.

One of my favorite quotes from SDCC was in a DC panel. It was the Editor in Chief talking about how every panel at a convention could be someone's first panel. And what happens at that panel will determine whether they stay in the room.

Andrew may crow about uprooting plants, but those threads could have been someone's first experience on this forum. And I wouldn't blame them for never wanting to come back after watching that all happen.

I didn't like the Bay movies, but I'm not going to begrudge folks that do.
And I'm certainly not going to badger them for it. Or, take their bait if they try to badger me in return.

Fun sidebar to the DC panel story:
That was the last of their panels I've gone to, based entirely on audience reaction.

[Utrommaniac]

I think that's very much the case. Especially if a lot of the PD fans were young teens (not much older than 14 maybe) who really didn't have the cognitive sense to take a moment and think about the flaws in the films that the older fans abhorred. They're kids hopped up on the Transformers Action Train who went way overboard on their excitement, and when they got screamed at for being "plants", they couldn't handle it. Because they're kids.

No matter how bad the films are, there are still people who like the films - even those who take them as a guilty pleasure.

It's far more likely that they were young fans who didn't know any better. I don't see much financial logic in hiring people to plug the movie on some message board no one in the Big Leagues would know about. Is it possible on Twitter and Facebook? Of course. But I don't think it would work in a low-tier social media platform like a messageboard - which is a dying medium as it is.

[myconius]

Nah, dude.
People having a difference of opinion isn't what makes something a toxic environment.

It's how folks approach that difference of opinion, and how they're treated in the wake of that difference of opinion.

One of my favorite quotes from SDCC was in a DC panel. It was the Editor in Chief talking about how every panel at a convention could be someone's first panel. And what happens at that panel will determine whether they stay in the room.

Andrew may crow about uprooting plants, but those threads could have been someone's first experience on this forum. And I wouldn't blame them for never wanting to come back after watching that all happen.

I didn't like the Bay movies, but I'm not going to begrudge folks that do.
And I'm certainly not going to badger them for it. Or, take their bait if they try to badger me in return.

Fun sidebar to the DC panel story:
That was the last of their panels I've gone to, based entirely on audience reaction.

yeah i do recall at one time Andrew once calling me a plant after being excited after seeing OotS opening weekend.
i laughed it off, but i can definitely see how it's rub people the wrong way.
i won't deny there were things i did enjoy about the movie, but then again sometimes i'd much prefer to watch Schumaker's Batman movies over the renowned Nolan Batman movies.
(yeah i said it trolls! come get me!) :lol:

but i can definitely see your point.
i had to eventually unfollow a few FB pages of things i really enjoyed due to people acting like complete asses.

btw... at the DC panel, what were the audience doing that put you off?

[plastroncafe]

It was a woman in the spoiler costume asking questions the audience didn't like, so they heckled her, and the moderators didn't really do much to stop them.

There isn't a DC property that I care enough about to sit through that basic Fanboy level of crap.

Turtles, on the other hand, I am very invested in.

[Andrew NDB]

It was a woman in the spoiler costume asking questions the audience didn't like, so they heckled her, and the moderators didn't really do much to stop them.

Was that the one with Stephanie Brown Batgirl asking hard-hitting questions? I think that was the last year they had big open Q&As with the audience.

[plastroncafe]

Was that the one with Stephanie Brown Batgirl asking hard-hitting questions? I think that was the last year they had big open Q&As with the audience.

Probably.
It did not leave me with a really positive impression of DC Fanboys.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yeah I feel like the whole plant thing was way overboard. Heck he even called ME a plant at one point even though I've been here long enough he should have known better- or was just doing it to be "funny"(snarky). It's no wonder so many of the new fans left in a hurry if that was the "welcome" they got for liking the new movies.

[TigerClaw]

Yeah I feel like the whole plant thing was way overboard. Heck he even called ME a plant at one point even though I've been here long enough he should have known better- or was just doing it to be "funny"(snarky). It's no wonder so many of the new fans left in a hurry if that was the "welcome" they got for liking the new movies.
Yeah, there been many here accused of being a so called Plant, even though they been on this board for a very long time, some people just have different taste then others, that tends to divide the community, good thing we have multiple versions of TMNT out there, everyone has there own preference.

[Cyndaquilfan123]

Yeah, there been many here accused of being a so called Plant, even though they been on this board for a very long time, some people just have different taste then others, that tends to divide the community, good thing we have multiple versions of TMNT out there, everyone has there own preference.

Yup. I’ve been called a so called “Plant” too.

[myconius]

hey! there's worse things in life than being called a plant.



at least nobody was called "buttface" or "stinky poopy farty pants".

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

While I do think there was a few Nick paid goons here, the plant thing went waaay overboard. All of those newcomers were NOT plants, I'm used to new fans dropping in on fandom message boards after a new product is released, even if the majority of established fans hate the new product. New fans that come with new product with new product is how a fandom stays alive and healthy; you don't chase them off, you recommend the older quality stuff to them, and win them over through arguments and persuasion. But during the release of the bay films, a few on the boards this boards started to attack ALL of the newbies who liked the film, and most of therm hightailed it out along with the real plants.

This kind of 'red scare witch hunt' garbage is the snake eating it's own tail, and is further proof to me of how toxic this place can be.

[plastroncafe]

Exclusionary gatekeeper nonsense is the Cornerstone of conservation fandom.

Their love is less love of a thing, and more the obsessive stalking of a thing.

[Kamekichi]

I've been mostly lurking here for 10 years now and I enjoy reading some of the threads but it isn't uncommon to hear about these forums in a negative light from others.

[Vegita-San]

the problem i have with nu fans is that they usually don't respect alot of the older stuff and tend to trash it just because it's old. who needs that around here?

where as older more original fans tend to USUALLY find something good in all iterations.

[myconius]

the problem i have with nu fans is that they usually don't respect alot of the older stuff and tend to trash it just because it's old. who needs that around here?

where as older more original fans tend to USUALLY find something good in all iterations.

very good terminology this 'NU FAN'.

[newfan]

Unless it's Nick San? :lol: (is that why you said usually)

As a new fan (and yes my username is horrible) I have been interested to explore the franchise and the variations. I also think it's important if you are joining a site such as this one, how can join in properly or appreciate the different views otherwise. Granted, there is a LOT to explore (so if I have come off as ignorant it hasn't been intentional btw) but it depends to what extent you want to do that.
Edit: That being said though, in the end the 'newbie' may still prefer the version they liked to start.

[Powder]

the problem i have with nu fans is that they usually don't respect alot of the older stuff and tend to trash it just because it's old. who needs that around here?

where as older more original fans tend to USUALLY find something good in all iterations.

I haven't seen that. In fact, I've seen the opposite. You can see people trashing the Nick series on TMNT's official Facebook page right now, & it's been that way 5 years straight. You yourself as an original fan have spent the better part of 6 months bashing it, too.

[Vegita-San]

Unless it's Nick San? :lol: (is that why you said usually)


If I didn't, I'd have the vultures circling for the kill :).


Even I can find something to like in the nick show, even if it's not my cup of tea and I think it's greatly flawed. just like next mutation before it, although not quite at that level.

with alot of the younger, newer fans, I find most seem resistant to the old stuff, and will only focus on the new for as long as it interests them. then they move on to the next new thing. only a few will stick around and get into the older stuff.

-edit oh who am i kidding, the vultures are constantly circling :).

[plastroncafe]

Old men yelling at Clouds don't like to be called Old Man yelling at Clouds. Film at 11.

[CyberCubed]

Vegita-san does exactly what he complains about, and I don't think he even realizes it.

[Prowler]

Vegita-san does exactly what he complains about, and I don't think he even realizes it.

Even you have more self-awareness. And that's saying something :lol:

[CyberCubed]

Literally every post he makes in the Nick section is some trolling and negative post too. He's been doing it for almost 2 years now. If he doesn't care about the show he doesn't have to keep posting about it and whining non-stop.

Let alone all the posts he makes in the Everything Else section, or whining about his hate of feminists and SJW's in the TV or Current events section.

[Vegita-San]

Even you have more self-awareness. And that's saying something :lol:

Now that's just down right insulting.

[Cyndaquilfan123]

Cubed and Vegita-San are like Shredder and Krang in the 80’s toon. They can’t live without each other!

[Vegita-San]

nah,

It's easy to ignore him 85% of the time considering i have him blocked.. only occasionally do I feel the need to fire back when I see one of the endless quoted responses complaining about my opinions and levels of sanity. :).

It was paradise for two weeks around here a month or so ago with the 'vacation'. I could EASILY put up with that full time.

[IndigoErth]

Cubed and Vegita-San are like Shredder and Krang in the 80’s toon. They can’t live without each other!
All we need now is a bumbling Bebop and Rocksteady to be their lackeys.

[Vegita-San]

All we need now is a bumbling Bebop and Rocksteady.

considering plastron is on my case almost as much, they can be one of the two. ;o).

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

People on here need to realize that while debating aspects of TMNT is perfectly ok, other people can have other opinions, even ones you may not like. And after discussing differing opinions on aspects of TMNT, people need to accept that the other person isn't going to change their mind; no matter how much you preach at them, mock them, use gif's that show people laughing at them like what they said was stupid, trolling them, or yelling at them. Aggressive posts trying to say 'your opinion is wrong' will not work, and you'll just make the other person more hostile towards your opinion.

[Vegita-San]

People on here need to realize that while debating aspects of TMNT is perfectly ok, other people can have other opinions, even ones you may not like. And after discussing differing opinions on aspects of TMNT, people need to accept that the other person isn't going to change their mind; no matter how much you preach at them, mock them, use gif's that show people laughing at them like what they said was stupid, trolling them, or yelling at them. Aggressive posts trying to say 'your opinion is wrong' will not work, and you'll just make the other person more hostile towards your opinion.

quoted for truth.

sadly, for whatever reason, THIS is what the internet has devolved into over the last 6 years or so. and anyone who has an opinion you don't agree with aggressively is an INSTANT Troll. troll gets thrown around so much, i doubt anyone who really uses it even knows what a REAL troll is like.

[pferreira]

Were a bunch of new accounts made who were excited for the new movie around the time the new movie was about to come out? Sure. Did they defend the new movie? Yep. Are any around nowadays? Nope. This is all still very extremely circumstancial "evidence" to go by. One thing this site does suffer from is paranoia and lack of trust. There's always some conspiracy going on, most of the time it's not real.

SHE'S toxic! :lol:This reminds me of a jingle :D :

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Yeah, there been many here accused of being a so called Plant, even though they been on this board for a very long time, some people just have different taste then others, that tends to divide the community, good thing we have multiple versions of TMNT out there, everyone has there own preference.Tell me about. I've been called out as a mental patient because I only post Thursdays. I visit other websites during the week, I don't really have the time to constantly have this forum up, waiting for someone to respond to me. One user decided I was a plant and wasted his time investigating my join date and my post count. I still can't fathom why anybody would waste their time like that to prove something that's not true. :ohwell:

Aggressive posts trying to say 'your opinion is wrong' will not work, and you'll just make the other person more hostile towards your opinion.I agree. I kind of wish people were more accommodating. Thankfully it's a=only a bunch of users of here that are like that.

I sometimes wonder who the plants are in ghostbuster fandom. alot of those people talked and reacted the same way to bad movies too..just as our plants did.You should visit the Ghostbusters Fans forum, there's a number there it seems. That's why I got kicked out, because I wasn't drinking the Kool Aid on how terrific the reboot movie was, same goes for Trekcore and the new show Star Trek Discovery. The only people allowed to post there are the pro-Discovery trolls.

[plastroncafe]

Because it bears repeating, the only common denominator and all of your failed relationships, be them online Forum or in the meats space, is you.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Because it bears repeating, the only common denominator and all of your failed relationships, be them online Forum or in the meats space, is you.

Just so I'm sure I am not misinterpreting you, may you clarify what you mean by this?

Because I hope it doesn't mean what I think it does.

[RaphaelsIsolation]

I've not logged in for a great time.

Yes, there is some toxic things going on in the TMNT kingdom. I'll explain why.

The longevity of the TMNT world is now current 33 years? Something like that. It was very very heavy from 1984-1993ish. Then things slowed down a lot. 94-99 was a downtime mostly.

It pulled through and overall it's been a great franchise. What you have now... is older fans like myself that can remember watching the original 88 cartoon back in 1990-1993 mainly on Saturday mornings...and just being wowed. Getting the toys for Christmas etc....

And you have newer fans... aka millennials. Who to be honest, "for the most part" are some of the worst people on the planet.

I already know this post won't go over well, and that is fine. This is just the truth. Younger people or... "millennials" is anyone born in the 1996-2000 range. People that are roughly 15-21 years of age currently.

Hence being born close to the "millennium". I'm not hating. It's just facts. Younger audiences to TMNT are really harsh or overly accepting of everything.

(political rant could go here...)

They lack logic and objectiveness. That is fine I guess. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It isn't all their fault though. Some of us older people are somewhat straight laced in our thinking.

Like I'll say the Original movie is the best, or the OT is the best cartoon of TMNT. Why? Well I do think they are both the best, and more original, as they were 1st in their genres of movie and cartoon. MOst things 1st are the best usually.

Also, because I grew up with them. Maybe that is why? I don't know. I really do try to look at it from a objective view. The current CGI TMNT isn't that great to me. Never got into it. It's fine, it's good at times, but it just isn't for me. My kids love it of course.

The trick is that you have TMNT fans that are 30-40, and then fans that are 15-21ish

Of course you have fans aged 22-29... duh. But the majority of fans fall in this age ranges I think. And the thought processes are different. Very different in most things.

That brings debate and toxicity.

If you didn't read all of this... then you've really missed out.

[ProphetofGanja]

I've not logged in for a great time.

Yes, there is some toxic things going on in the TMNT kingdom. I'll explain why.

The longevity of the TMNT world is now current 33 years? Something like that. It was very very heavy from 1984-1993ish. Then things slowed down a lot. 94-99 was a downtime mostly.

It pulled through and overall it's been a great franchise. What you have now... is older fans like myself that can remember watching the original 88 cartoon back in 1990-1993 mainly on Saturday mornings...and just being wowed. Getting the toys for Christmas etc....

And you have newer fans... aka millennials. Who to be honest, "for the most part" are some of the worst people on the planet.

I already know this post won't go over well, and that is fine. This is just the truth. Younger people or... "millennials" is anyone born in the 1996-2000 range. People that are roughly 15-21 years of age currently.

Hence being born close to the "millennium". I'm not hating. It's just facts. Younger audiences to TMNT are really harsh or overly accepting of everything.

(political rant could go here...)

They lack logic and objectiveness. That is fine I guess. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It isn't all their fault though. Some of us older people are somewhat straight laced in our thinking.

Like I'll say the Original movie is the best, or the OT is the best cartoon of TMNT. Why? Well I do think they are both the best, and more original, as they were 1st in their genres of movie and cartoon. MOst things 1st are the best usually.

Also, because I grew up with them. Maybe that is why? I don't know. I really do try to look at it from a objective view. The current CGI TMNT isn't that great to me. Never got into it. It's fine, it's good at times, but it just isn't for me. My kids love it of course.

The trick is that you have TMNT fans that are 30-40, and then fans that are 15-21ish

Of course you have fans aged 22-29... duh. But the majority of fans fall in this age ranges I think. And the thought processes are different. Very different in most things.

That brings debate and toxicity.

If you didn't read all of this... then you've really missed out.

I read it and the only thing I missed is the time I won't get back

[plastroncafe]

Just so I'm sure I am not misinterpreting you, may you clarify what you mean by this?

Because I hope it doesn't mean what I think it does.

There's an "and" that's supposed to be an "in" does that help?

Here's the thing, it's all well and good to blame other people for things in one's life. But if those things repeat over and over again.
Maybe it's not external factors at all.

Also...RaphaelInIsolation, your insistence that your subjective opinion is an objective one is...interesting.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

There's an "and" that's supposed to be an "in" does that help?

Here's the thing, it's all well and good to blame other people for things in one's life. But if those things repeat over and over again.
Maybe it's not external factors at all.

I can agree with that.

I misunderstood you as referring to all failed relationships rather than 1 person with repeated failed relationships.

[RaphaelsIsolation]

Nah its cool. I knew my post wouldn't go over well. It's the straight up truth that people don't want to admit.

My opinion is very objective. I supplied lots of things that support what I said. It is not mythical.

It is very assumption based I guess right? But it makes sense. It just does. I'm not here to make people mad or hate people... I'm here to clear the air. My post will stand the test of time.

You might not agree with it, but if you think for a couple seconds. It makes sense. It is several reasons why the TMNT community is testy and toxic at times.

[Candy Kappa]

I've not logged in for a great time.

Yes, there is some toxic things going on in the TMNT kingdom. I'll explain why.

The longevity of the TMNT world is now current 33 years? Something like that. It was very very heavy from 1984-1993ish. Then things slowed down a lot. 94-99 was a downtime mostly.

It pulled through and overall it's been a great franchise. What you have now... is older fans like myself that can remember watching the original 88 cartoon back in 1990-1993 mainly on Saturday mornings...and just being wowed. Getting the toys for Christmas etc....

And you have newer fans... aka millennials. Who to be honest, "for the most part" are some of the worst people on the planet.

I already know this post won't go over well, and that is fine. This is just the truth. Younger people or... "millennials" is anyone born in the 1996-2000 range. People that are roughly 15-21 years of age currently.

Hence being born close to the "millennium". I'm not hating. It's just facts. Younger audiences to TMNT are really harsh or overly accepting of everything.

(political rant could go here...)

They lack logic and objectiveness. That is fine I guess. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It isn't all their fault though. Some of us older people are somewhat straight laced in our thinking.

Like I'll say the Original movie is the best, or the OT is the best cartoon of TMNT. Why? Well I do think they are both the best, and more original, as they were 1st in their genres of movie and cartoon. MOst things 1st are the best usually.

Also, because I grew up with them. Maybe that is why? I don't know. I really do try to look at it from a objective view. The current CGI TMNT isn't that great to me. Never got into it. It's fine, it's good at times, but it just isn't for me. My kids love it of course.

The trick is that you have TMNT fans that are 30-40, and then fans that are 15-21ish

Of course you have fans aged 22-29... duh. But the majority of fans fall in this age ranges I think. And the thought processes are different. Very different in most things.

That brings debate and toxicity.

If you didn't read all of this... then you've really missed out.

Minnennials are born in the early 80's to late 90's, if that's newer fans, I guess the majority of the TMNT fan base that grew up in the TMNT heydays are still new fans :lol:

[Powder]

There is a whole lotta "toxic" on this page of the thread. :tlol:

[Kamekichi]

Nah its cool. I knew my post wouldn't go over well. It's the straight up truth that people don't want to admit.

My opinion is very objective. I supplied lots of things that support what I said. It is not mythical.

It is very assumption based I guess right? But it makes sense. It just does. I'm not here to make people mad or hate people... I'm here to clear the air. My post will stand the test of time.

You might not agree with it, but if you think for a couple seconds. It makes sense. It is several reasons why the TMNT community is testy and toxic at times.

So is it the truth or your objective opinion?

[IndigoErth]

I'm sensing something akin to a more dictatory form of the kind of being we commonly know as a CyberCube...

[ProphetofGanja]

Nah its cool. I knew my post wouldn't go over well. It's the straight up truth that people don't want to admit.

My opinion is very objective. I supplied lots of things that support what I said. It is not mythical.

It is very assumption based I guess right? But it makes sense. It just does. I'm not here to make people mad or hate people... I'm here to clear the air. My post will stand the test of time.

You might not agree with it, but if you think for a couple seconds. It makes sense. It is several reasons why the TMNT community is testy and toxic at times.

There is literally no such thing as an objective opinion, the two are like, mutually exclusive

[sdp]

In my opinion you're objectively wrong Prophet.

[pferreira]

Because it bears repeating, the only common denominator and all of your failed relationships, be them online Forum or in the meats space, is you.Not sure what applies to me. I'm open minded generally to an extent unless I think it's really bad. Others on the other hand want to control the forums like Trekcore.

I misunderstood you as referring to all failed relationships rather than 1 person with repeated failed relationships.He posted directly after me. He didn't quote anyone so I thought he meant me which makes no sense considering what I said.

There is literally no such thing as an objective opinion, the two are like, mutually exclusiveCritical analysis ia always part subjective and objective opinion...but that's just my opinion. ;)

There is a whole lotta "toxic" on this page of the thread. :tlol:Is it my video link to The Toxic Crusaders intro? :lol:

[ProphetofGanja]

In my opinion you're objectively wrong Prophet.

Alright, well, enjoy using words incorrectly

http://pediaa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Difference-Between-Objective-and-Subjective-infographic.jpg

[Powder]

Enjoy missing the joke.

[ProphetofGanja]

Let's hope that's what it was. It can be hard to tell on the Drome

[CyberCubed]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/c8/c856a793cb9254bd49e82c67610a07e311d69d99274a4d7c74 602986beef6658.jpg

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I find it funny though, saying there is no such thing as an objective opinion.

Isn't that in itself an objective claim in it of itself?

[Vegita-San]

I'm sensing something akin to a more dictatory form of the kind of being we commonly know as a CyberCube...

I think the all mighty cube will disagree with you and send you to the pit of misery. dilly dilly.

don't worry. i've been in the pit of misery at least ten times this week. you get used to it :).

[ProphetofGanja]

I find it funny though, saying there is no such thing as an objective opinion.

Isn't that in itself an objective claim in it of itself?

No, because a fact cannot be an opinion nor vice versa.

I can say "My opinion is that it is raining outside" but that does not make it an opinion, it is a fact (if it is indeed raining outside)

I can say "Chicken pot pie is objectively good" but that is not a fact it is still just an opinion, because some people still may not feel the same

[RaphaelsIsolation]

Ehh...

Don't twist it around. Millennials are people born around the millennium. Hence the name.

It isn't anyone born before or grew up.

It is pretty clear. Don't twist it around far left friend.

Powder. Yes it is. We've never really seen eye to eye, but I always have loved your work man.

I guess in reality... it is my objective opinion based on evidence from life experiences and some factual evidence.

I mean don't be so squirrelly about it.

[Candy Kappa]

Ehh...

Don't twist it around. Millennials are people born around the millennium. Hence the name.

It isn't anyone born before or grew up.

It is pretty clear. Don't twist it around far left friend.

Powder. Yes it is. We've never really seen eye to eye, but I always have loved your work man.

I guess in reality... it is my objective opinion based on evidence from life experiences and some factual evidence.

I mean don't be so squirrelly about it.

Maybe you should read up on the topic beforehand
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials

[CyberCubed]

To be fair millennials should be named for kids born in 2000 or later. No idea why it's used for 80's/90's kids.

[Utrommaniac]

It has nothing to do when you were born, but when you grew up.

I think of it this way:
If you were a young child at the turn of the Millennium and have enough memory or comprehension to recall it, you're a Millennial. It's when a person's formative years were, and for me, as an example, that was more in the early 2000's than the 90's.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

No, because a fact cannot be an opinion nor vice versa.

I can say "My opinion is that it is raining outside" but that does not make it an opinion, it is a fact (if it is indeed raining outside)

I can say "Chicken pot pie is objectively good" but that is not a fact it is still just an opinion, because some people still may not feel the same

Well people can still have opinions about facts, those would be factually based opinions.

Even if it is raining outside, someone can still have have an opinion about it.

Facts aren't opinions I agree, but opinions can be based in fact. Those are what I refer to when I say "Objective opinions"

[plastroncafe]

However that is a factually incorrect statement. Because opinions by definition are subjective.

[Andrew NDB]

Ehh...

Don't twist it around. Millennials are people born around the millennium. Hence the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials

Anywhere from 1983 onward.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

However that is a factually incorrect statement. Because opinions by definition are subjective.

You can subjectively have an opinion about something objective.

[ProphetofGanja]

Well people can still have opinions about facts, those would be factually based opinions.

Well, no, that would still just be an opinion about a fact, not an opinion based in fact.

Facts are things that are irrefutably true (for the purpose of this conversation we're referring to scientific facts, not facts in the sense of spiritual truths or anything like that). Facts are backed-up by evidence.

It is a fact that humans can only see a small fraction of the electromagnetic spectrum, the portion in between infrared and ultraviolet known as "visible light". My opinion is that it would be cool if we could perceive beyond that, but that does not make it a fact-based opinion. It is just my personal, subjective feeling because I think it would be cool. "Cool" is always a matter of opinion

Even if it is raining outside, someone can still have have an opinion about it.

Facts aren't opinions I agree, but opinions can be based in fact. Those are what I refer to when I say "Objective opinions"

Again, "objective opinions" is an oxymoronic nonsense phrase, like "alternative facts"

You can subjectively have an opinion about something objective.

Could you provide an example?

[plastroncafe]

Yeah but if he repeats it enough maybe, just maybe, it might become something true. Kind of like how irregardless is now in the dictionary.

[Prowler]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials

Anywhere from 1983 onward.

My brother was born in 1983... I don't consider him to be of the same generation as someone born in 1994.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Could you provide an example?

I believe the grass is green.

[plastroncafe]

Beliefs are just opinions more eloquently spoken.

Chlorophyll is green.

[Sumac]

I've not logged in for a great time.

Yes, there is some toxic things going on in the TMNT kingdom. I'll explain why.

The longevity of the TMNT world is now current 33 years? Something like that. It was very very heavy from 1984-1993ish. Then things slowed down a lot. 94-99 was a downtime mostly.

It pulled through and overall it's been a great franchise. What you have now... is older fans like myself that can remember watching the original 88 cartoon back in 1990-1993 mainly on Saturday mornings...and just being wowed. Getting the toys for Christmas etc....

And you have newer fans... aka millennials. Who to be honest, "for the most part" are some of the worst people on the planet.

I already know this post won't go over well, and that is fine. This is just the truth. Younger people or... "millennials" is anyone born in the 1996-2000 range. People that are roughly 15-21 years of age currently.

Hence being born close to the "millennium". I'm not hating. It's just facts. Younger audiences to TMNT are really harsh or overly accepting of everything.

(political rant could go here...)

They lack logic and objectiveness. That is fine I guess. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It isn't all their fault though. Some of us older people are somewhat straight laced in our thinking.

Like I'll say the Original movie is the best, or the OT is the best cartoon of TMNT. Why? Well I do think they are both the best, and more original, as they were 1st in their genres of movie and cartoon. MOst things 1st are the best usually.

Also, because I grew up with them. Maybe that is why? I don't know. I really do try to look at it from a objective view. The current CGI TMNT isn't that great to me. Never got into it. It's fine, it's good at times, but it just isn't for me. My kids love it of course.

The trick is that you have TMNT fans that are 30-40, and then fans that are 15-21ish

Of course you have fans aged 22-29... duh. But the majority of fans fall in this age ranges I think. And the thought processes are different. Very different in most things.

That brings debate and toxicity.

If you didn't read all of this... then you've really missed out.
Bunch of nonsense, which sounds like an old man yelling at a cloud.

"How dare young people don't enjoy crap that I though was great, when I was a kid!!"
Yeah, objective truth, my hide.:roll:

[newfan]

It is several reasons why the TMNT community is testy and toxic at times.

I don't know about other sites, some of you do but so far as this site goes, there aren't too many in the age group you describe, the arguments are mostly between people in a similar age group.

[Vegita-San]

want to see a real group of toxic people, check out some of the ghostbuster pages. ugh.


you'll never find a more miserable hive of scum and villany.

[Spike Spiegel]

You don't have to feel the toxicity if you remove yourself from areas or discussions where it is most rampant.

https://i.giphy.com/media/d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY/source.gif

[pferreira]

I find it funny though, saying there is no such thing as an objective opinion.

Isn't that in itself an objective claim in it of itself?If you review something you like it's going to be part subjective/part objective. You deciding to review something is already subjective because you want to.

However certain things in this world as in for example seeing a shooting star and making an observation about it is fact as it did happen as it's a known phenomenon like when it rains. Many have experienced it and it's real because it's proven as happening. Now standing in a high tower and telling those below you something is rubbish and something is not rubbish is not fact but opinion. Fans sometimes mistake opinion for fact.

want to see a real group of toxic people, check out some of the ghostbuster pages. ugh.


you'll never find a more miserable hive of scum and villany.Ghostbusters Fans? Yep, got kicked out of that one by the "I'm right, you're wrong" moderator Kingpin. Actually out of two forums I was kicked out of one of the primary users who got me banned was an arrogant Canadian. What a weird coincidence. :lol:

You don't have to feel the toxicity if you remove yourself from areas or discussions where it is most rampant.What about if I want to comment like everybody else in those toxic environments? I have a right to respond. What gives others the reason to ban those that don't agree with them? Don't know about you but it sounds like a dictatorship to me.

[plastroncafe]

What about if I want to comment like everybody else in those toxic environments? I have a right to respond. What gives others the reason to ban those that don't agree with them? Don't know about you but it sounds like a dictatorship to me.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/32a444111b82b6f24c96dcba630d1d20/tumblr_nt61ds5U2f1r3jphyo7_r1_540.gif

If you have to be approved to participate in a forum, then it's not a publicly open space. The folks that run it get to control what happens in their space.

So while you might feel like you have the right to respond, you really don't.

[pferreira]

If you have to be approved to participate in a forum, then it's not a publicly open space. The folks that run it get to control what happens in their space.

So while you might feel like you have the right to respond, you really don't.I understand that basically at the end of the day I'm a guest but if the mods aren't treating people equally with equal respect there is something wrong there.

[Vegita-San]

I understand that basically at the end of the day I'm a guest but if the mods aren't treating people equally with equal respect there is something wrong there.



Yep.

Sadly, i nthis day and age where people's opinions go towards 'my way or the high way' of agreeing or dis agreeing, the mods will sometimes act like trolls themselves and loose all sense of subjectivity, especially if they've since fallen into the SJW crowd after becoming a mod.

I've seen that alot on the other forum I got banned on. only in that place, if you had ANY kind of hollywood connection, even a disney stock holder no less, the mods stuck up for you and let you get away with all kinds of nasty crap.

meanwhile if I so much as dared defend myself against endless attacks, i was the one reprimanded. usually they didn't go after the one really causing the issues unless a 5 page argument broke out. sigh sometimes you don't realize HOW toxic a place like that is until you get banned from it and read it from the outside....

this place is nothing compared to there.

[pferreira]

Yep.Sadly, i nthis day and age where people's opinions go towards 'my way or the high way' of agreeing or dis agreeing, the mods will sometimes act like trolls themselves and loose all sense of subjectivity, especially if they've since fallen into the SJW crowd after becoming a mod.In the case of say Trekcore by banning anybody that argues Star Trek Discovery isn't good the only people left are the fans, the elitist trolls. Regardless if I get banned so has many others. People are as so much as indifferent to Discovery are too scared to post on those Disqus pages. Meanwhile the pro-Discovery trolls are ruling the nest, forcing people to have their views.

I would like to add after I was banned I posted a comment on the Trekcore Facebook page to ask will anything be done about said users as they are bullying infrequent members. Their response was to delete my comment so I politely posted the same comment again, this time asking why they deleted my comment. They responded this time by banning my from their Facebook page! Meanwhile if at the time you looked below a user by the name of 'Jim Kirk' posted a comment like "can the haters tell me who you are so I can add you to my ignore list?" yet that comment is allowed to stay up? :roll:

[plastroncafe]

I think the problem here is that you didn't recognize that your behavior was through being tolerated. If you have a question or concern about how a given Community is moderated, you contact the mods privately, you don't start wank in a public forum. That's just asking for trouble.

And if they delete your attempt to start wank in a public forum, the proper response is to not do it a second time. And certainly not to do it a third time.

At the end of the day you are a guest and they are under absolutely no obligation to provide you with any information.

My suggestion to you would be for you to start your own community, and then be as transparent and open-minded tour dissension as possible.

[pferreira]

I think the problem here is that you didn't recognize that your behavior was through being tolerated. If you have a question or concern about how a given Community is moderated, you contact the mods privately, you don't start wank in a public forum. That's just asking for trouble.

And if they delete your attempt to start wank in a public forum, the proper response is to not do it a second time. And certainly not to do it a third time.

At the end of the day you are a guest and they are under absolutely no obligation to provide you with any information.

My suggestion to you would be for you to start your own community, and then be as transparent and open-minded tour dissension as possible.I don't totally agree with not questioning them. I forgot to add I did e-mail them like two times to ask about their moderating and got no response which is why I complained on their Facebook page. Apart from that though I agree with your points. :)

[Spike Spiegel]

In the case of say Trekcore by banning anybody that argues Star Trek Discovery isn't good the only people left are the fans, the elitist trolls. Regardless if I get banned so has many others. People are as so much as indifferent to Discovery are too scared to post on those Disqus pages. Meanwhile the pro-Discovery trolls are ruling the nest, forcing people to have their views.

I would like to add after I was banned I posted a comment on the Trekcore Facebook page to ask will anything be done about said users as they are bullying infrequent members. Their response was to delete my comment so I politely posted the same comment again, this time asking why they deleted my comment. They responded this time by banning my from their Facebook page! Meanwhile if at the time you looked below a user by the name of 'Jim Kirk' posted a comment like "can the haters tell me who you are so I can add you to my ignore list?" yet that comment is allowed to stay up? :roll:

Your first mistake was trying to join a forum of Star Trek fans. :lol:

Trekkies are basically the trope originators for the modern "toxic fandom."

[plastroncafe]

I don't totally agree with not questioning them. I forgot to add I did e-mail them like two times to ask about their moderating and got no response which is why I complained on their Facebook page. Apart from that though I agree with your points. :)

I'm not saying not to question them.
I'm saying take the hint when they don't respond.

They don't owe you a response. You're not entitled to a response.
Especially if you don't take No for an answer, which you don't...or you would've taken the hint that the banishment was likely supposed to be.

It's about reading the room, and acting accordingly.
And the way you've described your own behavior say to me that this is something you struggle with.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I'm not saying not to question them.
I'm saying take the hint when they don't respond.

They don't owe you a response. You're not entitled to a response.
Especially if you don't take No for an answer, which you don't...or you would've taken the hint that the banishment was likely supposed to be.

It's about reading the room, and acting accordingly.
And the way you've described your own behavior say to me that this is something you struggle with.

Just curious, do you believe we are entitled to anything at all?

And what does it mean to be entitled in your book? Since you tend to use that arguement alot

[plastroncafe]

That's a really good question.
I think I would have to chew on it for a while to give anything even close to a comprehensive answer, but even that answer would be incomplete because I think the very definition for me shifts over time as I grow and change as a person.

I would say one of the few things that we are all entitled to is basic human dignity.

[pferreira]

Your first mistake was trying to join a forum of Star Trek fans. :lol:

Trekkies are basically the trope originators for the modern "toxic fandom."I know man but the site does post good news articles and reviews. It's such a shame the Disqus pages are run by the prominent users. The comments there are the same three or four people who bully everyone else with their opinions. Now that is toxic.

I'm not saying not to question them.
I'm saying take the hint when they don't respond.

They don't owe you a response. You're not entitled to a response.
Especially if you don't take No for an answer, which you don't...or you would've taken the hint that the banishment was likely supposed to be.

It's about reading the room, and acting accordingly.
And the way you've described your own behavior say to me that this is something you struggle with.Well adding to what you say the impression I've been getting is that if I have an opinion not shared by the moderator I'm not welcome. I certainly understand what you mean and you are right to an extent although it kind of gets to the point where they are limiting the amount of people who actually want to be there.

Over at Ghostbusters Fans the mod there is very left wing and calls the Ghostbusters reboot very progressive. To speak ill of it or how films are made today seems to incur his wrath. I did enough of this that it took a totally separate conversation with someone else about something completely unrelated to get me banned. Although it's worth noting one of the main people there who loved the movie (who also dislikes me) referred to Paul Feig's filmmaking as 'avant garde'. This is the kind of people who are getting me banned.

[plastroncafe]

I certainly understand what you mean and you are right to an extent although it kind of gets to the point where they are limiting the amount of people who actually want to be there.
.

Yup.
That is indeed a risk

[pferreira]

Yup.
That is indeed a riskI'm interested to see how far that goes. If they're going for one type of fan all it does is keep the prominent users there to bully newer members. I always see the same three or four people spamming the comments on Disqus.

[Vegita-San]

Over at Ghostbusters Fans the mod there is very left wing and calls the Ghostbusters reboot very progressive. To speak ill of it or how films are made today seems to incur his wrath. I did enough of this that it took a totally separate conversation with someone else about something completely unrelated to get me banned. Although it's worth noting one of the main people there who loved the movie (who also dislikes me) referred to Paul Feig's filmmaking as 'avant garde'. This is the kind of people who are getting me banned.

well, in that case, these are just bad mods, and a bad, toxic site in general. And it always kind of has been.

I left almost ten years ago now and havn't looked back due to the amount of jerks there. it just wasn't fun.

But, the RPF was still ENOUGH fun that I wanted to stick around. it was just a few bad users who where 'my way or the high way' and who could get away with being jerks that the mods either agreed with, or let run wild for whatever reason that made the place unbearable enough for me to trash a mod via pm for not doing his job. of course, that was the end of me. but, after a few months I realize it's for the better. those few bad members had too much power for whatever reason, and it was becoming almost cult like because no one was brave enough to stand up against them. unless EVERYONE did it at the same time, and even that never lasted long.

But places like GB fans where so bad, it was a no thought moment to leave forever and never look back. I browsed a bit during the feigbusters debacle and saw it hadn't gotten any better either.

[pferreira]

well, in that case, these are just bad mods, and a bad, toxic site in general. And it always kind of has been.The mod there Kingpin who has strong left wing ideals. He rather worryingly at one point compared Donald Trump to Hitler which blew me mind in terms of craziness. He didn't like the fact I had nothing good to say about the reboot movie as he saw it as a win for social justice. He was quick to judge me and because I expressed ideals that weren't left wing enough he immediately jumped on me for being right wing when I'm not. This is the mod by the way. I guess me moaning about the reboot movie constantly and it's propaganda coupled with me saying practical effects work better than CGI got to him. He liked only positive comments about the film, one lunatic Kingpin took sides with who kept gushing about the film called Paul Feig's films "avant garde".

Ultimately it was an arrogant Canadian called Richardless who got me banned when he jumped on me for getting the street date of Spider-Man 3.1 blu-ray wrong due to the fact I read a review by a store worker who got a preview copy. Didn't matter. Kingpin banned agreed with Richardless I must be wrong and banned me. After I got banned a number of people who disliked me said how happy I was that I was banned.

I haven't been back since to even look at the forum but I can't imagine it being any less tribal than it was before. A shame really because I liked offering my opinions there. :(

[plastroncafe]

I would suggest you entertain the narrative that your behavior got you banned, and not the actions of other people.

If you did something that upset people, they didn't get you banned....what you did to upset them got them banned.

Even if you didn't intentionally mean to upset them, it's still on you.

[ProphetofGanja]

He rather worryingly at one point compared Donald Trump to Hitler which blew me mind in terms of craziness.

Doesn't seem that far off-base to me

https://78.media.tumblr.com/fe1117092b4e87114658392672e6006b/tumblr_p08t5z4vGE1qelupoo1_1280.png

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[Andrew NDB]

Godwin's Law, as usual. They don't know what to do.

[plastroncafe]

Godwin's Law, as usual. They don't know what to do.

Except...in the case of MAGA folks, Godwin agrees.

https://twitter.com/sfmnemonic/status/896884949634232320

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Except...in the case of MAGA folks, Godwin agrees.

https://twitter.com/sfmnemonic/status/896884949634232320

:tlol: That's fvcking awesome.

[ProphetofGanja]

Godwin's Law, as usual. They don't know what to do.

Except...in the case of MAGA folks, Godwin agrees.

https://twitter.com/sfmnemonic/status/896884949634232320

Normally I agree that comparing someone to Hitler or a Nazi is gross exaggeration, but in the case of these current events where people are literally adopting Nazi symbols and ideals then I think it's pretty fitting

[Vegita-San]

anyway, my initial point was..

as bad as this place can be at times due to some confrontational types,

there ARE worse places online that make this place seem like a day at a picnic in comparison.

probably why i've stuck around on and off for 20 years almost now.

[Powder]

The unnecessary politicizing of threads is a big toxicity point...

[pferreira]

Doesn't seem that far off-base to meThere's a tendency to say that but to me it's just absurd. He's on the same level as Bush in just being incompetent and greedy. Then of course I bring up George Bush Jr being exactly the same but no in the mods eyes Trump is worse. Let's forget actual dictators like Robert Mugabe and Kim Jong, no Trump must be worse right? It just seems generally people who complain are very left wing people who have a bone to pick with white males in power so Trump and his incompetence is an easy target. What he sometimes says on Twitter doesn't help his case.

as bad as this place can be at times due to some confrontational types,

there ARE worse places online that make this place seem like a day at a picnic in comparison.From my experience it's about the same. I'm glad you had it better.

I would suggest you entertain the narrative that your behavior got you banned, and not the actions of other people.

If you did something that upset people, they didn't get you banned....what you did to upset them got them banned.

Even if you didn't intentionally mean to upset them, it's still on you.I remember your previous points and I do still agree with them. I am just a guest after all so it is my fault but honestly it's not really fault. Unless you count offering a differing opinion something harmful which for me I never did. :)

[Vegita-San]

From my experience it's about the same. I'm glad you had it better.



I ignore 85% of the nastiness. if more people used the ignore button, the jerks just talk to thin air.

[Andrew NDB]

Kind of seems to me... let's say for example, Vancouver, Canada. Beautiful town. Super clean, like a shinier but more down-to-earth version of Seattle (it's always been my experience, anyway). Friendly people, strong economy, great city. About 95 out of 100 people love it there. Still, there will be those 5 people that can't help but wander off the main streets, poking around into the back alleys and point at some graffiti they find in some remote spot and go, "See? SEE? This city is a mess!" What? No, it's not.

It's like, stop going into back alleys and pointing at graffiti. Stay in the nice parts of town, you know you like those parts. If you're looking for graffiti or whatever in a city, you're probably going to find it if you look hard enough. Save yourself the calories. Be happy.

[Vegita-San]

would be possible if the spray painted area's didn't constantly re appear after you paint over or cover them :).

sometimes you have to nip the spray painters in the bud to keep the town nice :).

[ProphetofGanja]

would be possible if the spray painted area's didn't constantly re appear after you paint over or cover them :).

sometimes you have to nip the spray painters in the bud to keep the town nice :).

There's "graffiti" and then there's "public art", like murals.

If you don't like the murals in a certain part of town, maybe don't go there. Different strokes for different folks!

[sdp]

The unnecessary politicizing of threads is a big toxicity point...

I completely agree, I realized that by "fighting" it I was doing the very thing I hated. I decided to completely avoid it as it's usually been my policy with an exception or two but generally keep it politic free.

Obviously there'll be some topics that are going to be political such as "Black April the thread" but no reason it should be everywhere else. It's also quite difficult since if the very geek news sites which are often linked here are already politically charged. Def. avoiding the Current Events forum tho.

[Xav]

Except...in the case of MAGA folks, Godwin agrees.

https://twitter.com/sfmnemonic/status/896884949634232320So it's ok to call 63 million people Nazis just because you disagree with them politically?

[Bry]

So it's ok to call 63 million people Nazis just because you disagree with them politically?

Godwin was specifically referring to those who attended/marched at the white supremacy rally in Charlottesville as Nazis. So that raises a good point. What do we call those who didn't march at the rally or actively engage in similar actions, but still support an openly white-supremacist political movement? Nazi sympathizers?

[Coola Yagami]

Godwin was specifically referring to those who attended/marched at the white supremacy rally in Charlottesville as Nazis. So that raises a good point. What do we call those who didn't march at the rally or actively engage in similar actions, but still support an openly white-supremacist political movement? Nazi sympathizers?

Nope. You call em Neo-Nazis. Really, why would you be at a Nazi rally if you weren't one?

[plastroncafe]

Godwin was specifically referring to those who attended/marched at the white supremacy rally in Charlottesville as Nazis. So that raises a good point. What do we call those who didn't march at the rally or actively engage in similar actions, but still support an openly white-supremacist political movement? Nazi sympathizers?

Quisling F*cks.

[Bry]

Nope. You call em Neo-Nazis. Really, why would you be at a Nazi rally if you weren't one?

Good answer.

[Candy Kappa]

Quisling F*cks.

It's nice to see that Quisling are being used outside of Norway as well.

[Bry]

To answer the question... Yeah, there kinda is. And the source of toxicity is the same as many other fandoms: cliquishness and gatekeeping.

It tends to happen naturally whenever you have a group of hardcore regulars who'll dominate the community. Their opinions, attitudes, etc, are considered "right" by the clique, and anything diverting from that is treated with condescension or scorn. Any topic outside of their comfort zone is shouted down or snuffed out. It makes the whole place feel hostile to everyone but the hardcore regulars (and even to some of them, to be honest).

I truly believe no topic, unless it's something truly obscene or illegal, is necessarily "toxic". It's the behaviour of the posters that causes that. If people are discussing something you dislike or disagree with, it's very simple to ignore it or talk about something else. Trying to dictate what others can or can't talk about immediately makes the place hostile and adds to any toxicity.

But I feel like this is bound to happen every time you've got enough people who believe the fandom or community "belongs to" them, even though of course neither does. It's for everyone who enjoys it and wants to be a part of it. Or it should be, at least.

[plastroncafe]

It's nice to see that Quisling are being used outside of Norway as well.

I have to own up to the fact that I wasn't aware of the term until I read "World War Z," which prompted me to look it up.
I had no idea how useful that particular Google would be until recently.

To answer the question... Yeah, there kinda is. And the source of toxicity is the same as many other fandoms: cliquishness and gatekeeping.

It tends to happen naturally whenever you have a group of hardcore regulars who'll dominate the community. Their opinions, attitudes, etc, are considered "right" by the clique, and anything diverting from that is treated with condescension or scorn. Any topic outside of their comfort zone is shouted down or snuffed out. It makes the whole place feel hostile to everyone but the hardcore regulars (and even to some of them, to be honest).

I truly believe no topic, unless it's something truly obscene or illegal, is necessarily "toxic". It's the behaviour of the posters that causes that. If people are discussing something you dislike or disagree with, it's very simple to ignore it or talk about something else. Trying to dictate what others can or can't talk about immediately makes the place hostile and adds to any toxicity.

But I feel like this is bound to happen every time you've got enough people who believe the fandom or community "belongs to" them, even though of course neither does. It's for everyone who enjoys it and wants to be a part of it. Or it should be, at least.

This.
Just this.

[Prowler]

Ofc, the words "Nazi" and "Godwin" had to eventually come up ITT. Godwin's Law never fails :lol:

[pferreira]

would be possible if the spray painted area's didn't constantly re appear after you paint over or cover them :).

sometimes you have to nip the spray painters in the bud to keep the town nice :).Very true. Good similarity! :lol:

To answer the question... Yeah, there kinda is. And the source of toxicity is the same as many other fandoms: cliquishness and gatekeeping.

It tends to happen naturally whenever you have a group of hardcore regulars who'll dominate the community. Their opinions, attitudes, etc, are considered "right" by the clique, and anything diverting from that is treated with condescension or scorn. Any topic outside of their comfort zone is shouted down or snuffed out. It makes the whole place feel hostile to everyone but the hardcore regulars (and even to some of them, to be honest).

I truly believe no topic, unless it's something truly obscene or illegal, is necessarily "toxic". It's the behaviour of the posters that causes that. If people are discussing something you dislike or disagree with, it's very simple to ignore it or talk about something else. Trying to dictate what others can or can't talk about immediately makes the place hostile and adds to any toxicity.

But I feel like this is bound to happen every time you've got enough people who believe the fandom or community "belongs to" them, even though of course neither does. It's for everyone who enjoys it and wants to be a part of it. Or it should be, at least.Yep, the mods are partly responsible for that. The users who bully others are the other half of the problem. It becomes a question of: do you want to stick around but force yourself to have the same view as the prominent users so to avoid getting into trouble or do you leave that forum while still a user there until enough people complain for the people in charge to actually do something about it? I wish I had that opportunity with a couple of forums.

[Vegita-San]

The RPF was like that a bit. but again, that was mostly due to one factor. if you had stock in a hollywood company, or where actually a part of hollywood, you tended to have carte blank range of the place and could be a jerk to whoever you wanted. and for some reasons the mods will stick up for them like a bunch of groupies.

sadly, there is no fixing that place unless it gets sold and the whole thing gets cleaned out. you'd also have to convince alot of people that it was cleaned out for the better, as over the last year they've been going on a random banning frenzy. even going so far as to lie about why people got banned. that's messed up a bit right there.

[d_osborn]

The RPF was like that a bit. but again, that was mostly due to one factor. if you had stock in a hollywood company, or where actually a part of hollywood, you tended to have carte blank range of the place and could be a jerk to whoever you wanted. and for some reasons the mods will stick up for them like a bunch of groupies.
https://media.giphy.com/media/nqKnNmvgRxI1a/giphy.gif

Toxic people are all over fandoms. They're pretty much all over society. Throwing out the victim card seems to be a pretty common thing, too.

There are a lot of really cool people at GBFans, here, the RPF. I've been posting on all three since their respective early days and have somehow avoided being banned on any of them. Follow the rules, don't be an asshole... that about covers it. It's not difficult. This stuff is supposed to be fun. :-)

[Shellington]

In truth? This board is as toxic as cyanide. But you can survive here. If you lay low, keep your mouth shut, block the people who you just can't get along with, only post in threads you want to have a discussion in, and bail on a discussion when a thread turns into a toxic argument, and you'll be just fine.
:thumbsup: Great rules to survive on any forum.

Anyway, I don't come here too often, but I do my best to get on with people and try not to cause any trouble or pain when I state my views/opinions. That's all one can really do.

[pferreira]

The RPF was like that a bit. but again, that was mostly due to one factor. if you had stock in a hollywood company, or where actually a part of hollywood, you tended to have carte blank range of the place and could be a jerk to whoever you wanted. and for some reasons the mods will stick up for them like a bunch of groupies.Apologies if this is a stupid question but what does RPF stand for?

There are a lot of really cool people at GBFans, here, the RPF. I've been posting on all three since their respective early days and have somehow avoided being banned on any of them. Follow the rules, don't be an asshole... that about covers it. It's not difficult. This stuff is supposed to be fun. :-)Bottomline is Kingpin is a liberal control freak who everybody has to agree with. It's his way or the highway. It's not about being an 'asshole', it's about having an opinion that he doesn't hate. Best thing to do from my experience is to back down when he tells you what he thinks is right in a discussion. As plastroncafe says at the end of the day you're a guest and standing up to a mod does you no favours. It's not right but them the rules. ;)

[Vegita-San]

Apologies if this is a stupid question but what does RPF stand for?


Replica Prop Forum or = Strictly policed Fandom as it's known in some places.
Either play ball or get banned. sometimes you even get banned when you play ball.

better off without both those toxic places around.

:thumbsup: Great rules to survive on any forum.

Anyway, I don't come here too often, but I do my best to get on with people and try not to cause any trouble or pain when I state my views/opinions. That's all one can really do.



Yep, but sadly these days, that is getting tougher and tougher.

you have people who look to troll and cause problems.
you have people the mods will always back and you can't defend yourself against.
you have people who will get upset at just about anything and d rive you crazy doing it.

all these reasons are why message boards are becoming a dying breed. people don't want to put up with the crazy explosion anymore.

[pferreira]

Replica Prop Forum or = Strictly policed Fandom as it's known in some places.
Either play ball or get banned. sometimes you even get banned when you play ball.

better off without both those toxic places around.Those places were good at providing info on what I like but the forums ruined it for me. I don't even feel like going there to read the news. A lot of people trash IMDB but it had as many nice people as nasty people. I made some friends over at the Doctor Who forums and someone helped answer a question on one of the movie boards. See the difference here is that IMDB caters to everybody therefore of course you're going to get every walk of life commenting on the forums. Forums such as this and GB Fans of course are specific so it limits the amount of people you get. No doubt if every casual or non-TMNT commented here it would end up like IMDB.

[Andrew NDB]

Those places were good at providing info on what I like but the forums ruined it for me. I don't even feel like going there to read the news. A lot of people trash IMDB but it had as many nice people as nasty people. I made some friends over at the Doctor Who forums and someone helped answer a question on one of the movie boards. See the difference here is that IMDB caters to everybody therefore of course you're going to get every walk of life commenting on the forums. Forums such as this and GB Fans of course are specific so it limits the amount of people you get. No doubt if every casual or non-TMNT commented here it would end up like IMDB.

Different people have different degrees of sensitivity/thin-skin-ness. Or just like to cry. I've never had anything but great experiences on the IMDB boards. Whether it's random questions about random movies or "Someone help me remember what movie this is!" I'd never seen any problems in the 15+ years I was going there. I did see a lot of crap, to be fair, on individual actors' pages... like if an actor was in the news about anything, their page would be lit up with a bunch of "What a sh**head!!" kind of stuff.

You do realize the IMDB forums have been shut down for like 2 years already though, yeah?

[plastroncafe]

Different people have different degrees of sensitivity/thin-skin-ness. Or just like to cry. I've never had anything but great experiences on the IMDB boards.

Wasn't that the place where dudes would deliberately go and give poor ratings to movies/tv shows not targeted towards their demographic?

Men Are Sabotaging The Online Reviews Of TV Shows Aimed At Women (538.com) (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/men-are-sabotaging-the-online-reviews-of-tv-shows-aimed-at-women/)

[ProphetofGanja]

banned

banned

banned

banned

banned

https://media.giphy.com/media/d12rSeC3F8b9S/giphy.gif

[Andrew NDB]

Wasn't that the place where dudes would deliberately go and give poor ratings to movies/tv shows not targeted towards their demographic?

Men Are Sabotaging The Online Reviews Of TV Shows Aimed At Women (538.com) (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/men-are-sabotaging-the-online-reviews-of-tv-shows-aimed-at-women/)

I don't know many dudes that do that. I know if I really, really hate a movie, I'll give it a 1 for sure because I want to inflict maximum "damage." And if a dude is devoted to disparaging something like "Sex and the City" then he's probably going to do it all over the place, not just IMDB.

[plastroncafe]

I don't know many dudes that do that. I know if I really, really hate a movie, I'll give it a 1 for sure because I want to inflict maximum "damage." And if a dude is devoted to disparaging something like "Sex and the City" then he's probably going to do it all over the place, not just IMDB.

But you do know some that do?

My point in bringing this up was to illustrate that the reason those forums were removed wasn't because people had thinner-skin than you do, but because it's likely you weren't the target.

In short: The fanbros did it to themselves.

[Prowler]

I don't know many dudes that do that. I know if I really, really hate a movie, I'll give it a 1 for sure because I want to inflict maximum "damage." And if a dude is devoted to disparaging something like "Sex and the City" then he's probably going to do it all over the place, not just IMDB.

Tbh, a lot of dudes eventually have to sit through something they hate as in chick flicks or something like Sex in the City just so they can get in their girlfriend's pants that night. I can see why that would frustrate them and make them hate certain shows and movies.

[Sumac]

Tbh, a lot of dudes eventually have to sit through something they hate as in chick flicks or something like Sex in the City just so they can get in their girlfriend's pants that night. I can see why that would frustrate them and make them hate certain shows and movies.
Then those duded are shitheads and should grow up from being infantile idiots.

[newfan]

Tbh, a lot of dudes eventually have to sit through something they hate as in chick flicks or something like Sex in the City just so they can get in their girlfriend's pants that night. I can see why that would frustrate them and make them hate certain shows and movies.


Not all females like Chick Flicks

[Prowler]

Not all females like Chick Flicks

...where did I say in my post that every single one of them liked chick flicks? A lot =/= all of them

[plastroncafe]

Yeah, that's some nice-guy level crap right there.

[Prowler]

Yeah, that's some nice-guy level crap right there.
People are capable of hating things for the craziest reasons. My point is, dont't take average ratings of tv shows and movies online at face value. I remember back in 2010 on Myanimelist a lot of trolls downrating LOGH and up rating Clannad and vice-versa. People couldnt' handle that their favourite anime was not rated number 1.

And my comment about dudes rating shows and movies cuz they were forced to watch with their gfs/wives was mostly a humours comment, anyway. But it wouldn't surprise me if that was some of the reasoning behind men downrating female targeted shows and movies.

Also what do you mean by "nice-guy"? As in someone pretending to be a good person when they're not?

[plastroncafe]

Also what do you mean by "nice-guy"? As in someone pretending to be a good person when they're not?

Nice-guys are dudes who think women are vending machines that they put Nice into and get Sex out of. They also have a tendency towards the delusion that they are entitled to the time, attention, and bodies of the women of their choosing.

I'm a fan of this XKCD comic:
https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/friends.png

[Prowler]

Nice-guys are dudes who think women are vending machines that they put Nice into and get Sex out of. They also have a tendency towards the delusion that they are entitled to the time, attention, and bodies of the women of their choosing.

I'm a fan of this XKCD comic:
https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/friends.png

First time I hear of this. Is this really a thing?

[Prowler]

I mean, being nice is the minimum I expect out of someone I meet. I'd say most of the people I'd go out of my way to talk/socialise with are nice and pleasant. A lot of girls I know are nice, but why would that make me automatically fall in love with them? If a girl came up to me and told me I should love her because she is a nice girl I'd be like "eh what?" and wonder what made her so entitled and desperate.

[Vegita-San]

wow. smh. sad.

and to think only 'dudes' trash movies. equally sad.

I guess we'll ignore some popular youtube females who trash things on a daily basis and make a hobby out of it. one going so far as to even being called a dc hater.

but, that would go against the narrative.

[Andrew NDB]

My point in bringing this up was to illustrate that the reason those forums were removed wasn't because people had thinner-skin than you do, but because it's likely you weren't the target.

The reason those forums were removed is -- probably -- because they received a lot of money from Sony, upset about the female Ghostbusters movie flak.

[plastroncafe]

First time I hear of this. Is this really a thing?

Reddit Bans ‘Incel’ Group for Inciting Violence Against Women (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/technology/incels-reddit-banned.html)

Yup.

Edited to add this one:
New Hampshire Legislator Linked to Reddit ‘RedPill’ Forum Resigns
Republican state Rep. Robert Fisher was identified as the creator of a group fighting what it calls "feminist culture." (snopes) (https://www.snopes.com/2017/04/25/legislator-reddit-redpill-forum/)

wow. smh. sad.

and to think only 'dudes' trash movies. equally sad.

I guess we'll ignore some popular youtube females who trash things on a daily basis and make a hobby out of it. one going so far as to even being called a dc hater.

but, that would go against the narrative.

Only you.
This one site just happened to find a statistically significance for this one site.
You're more than welcome to provide research supporting your hypothesis.

The reason those forums were removed is -- probably -- because they received a lot of money from Sony, upset about the female Ghostbusters movie flak.

That's one narrative, though I prefer my own:
That fanbros talk themselves out of nice things by pretending a site that isn't theirs as their own personal safe space.

[Vegita-San]

The reason those forums were removed is -- probably -- because they received a lot of money from Sony, upset about the female Ghostbusters movie flak.

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. But I also wouldn't be surprised if alot of other studios joined in and 'pressured' them to take the movies down. mostly due to negative reviews, and ALSO because of spoiler leaks.

[Andrew NDB]

I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. But I also wouldn't be surprised if alot of other studios joined in and 'pressured' them to take the movies down. mostly due to negative reviews, and ALSO because of spoiler leaks.

Yeah, if not Sony specifically, it was studios at large. Platforms like message boards seemingly tied officially and directly to their new movies coming out on something as "official" as IMDB where people can freely and openly discuss or bemoan them... in their eyes (and they're not even wrong) that can only do harm, not good.

But yeah, then the female Ghostbusters movie was about to come out and people attached to it like Leslie Jones were being "attacked" everywhere and things hit critical mass for Sony.

[Sumac]

First time I hear of this. Is this really a thing?
Wow, this is really strange that you hear about for the first time.:o

[Prowler]

Wow, this is really strange that you hear about for the first time.:o

I'm not really an expert on the dating, romance and hook ups world; nor do I pay attention to who gets with who and who is interested in who. And I've never heard any guy I know irl being classified like that. So yeah, it's the first time I've heard of this. Why do you seem so surprised?

[Vegita-San]

don't worry, I've never heard of it either. this is the only place where I've heard people have a hate on for 'nice guys'.

which, judging from that image, doesn't really qualify them for the nice guy category, but the weirdo category..

[Sumac]

I'm not really an expert on the dating, romance and hook ups world; nor do I pay attention to who gets with who and who is interested in who. And I've never heard any guy I know irl being classified like that. So yeah, it's the first time I've heard of this. Why do you seem so surprised?
Because, you don't need to be an expert on dating to know that it is how many men treat women. Not only young men, but men in general. Sadly, it is normal for modern society.

don't worry, I've never heard of it either. this is the only place where I've heard people have a hate on for 'nice guys'.

which, judging from that image, doesn't really qualify them for the nice guy category, but the weirdo category..
Most likely you have never noticed it, because, it is so normalized, that it's treated as no big issue and perfectly normal by a lot of men.
And no, it's not only "weirdos".

[plastroncafe]

In that case, I can't recommend Doctor Nerdlove enough:

The Problem With “Nice Guys” (http://www.doctornerdlove.com/problem-nice-guys/) (dated 12-17-2012)

And lest this get too far off topic...
False entitlement is what leads to toxic behavior.

Fandom Gatekeepers honestly think that they're the arbiters of what a fan of a thing should look and act like.
They're the reason we don't have nice things.

[Prowler]

I know that a lot of guys mistreat women, but I just had never heard of "the nice-guy" thing, that's all.

I know that many "nerdy" dudes used to complain about girls going for "douchebags" in HS and uni, but I didn't know there was a name for that.

[Vegita-San]

I know that a lot of guys mistreat women, but I just had never heard of "the nice-guy" thing, that's all.


same here.

you'd think that if it was such a big deal, I've had heard of it mentioned more than by two people on one message board. but, it's 2017, so everything seems has to be turned into a new buzzword problem.

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/enhanced/webdr01/2013/1/2/11/enhanced-buzz-12743-1357143866-7.jpg?downsize=715:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto

I mean, just doing research on this to see if it IS brought up elsewhere...IF you're dating someone like this, that is NOT a nice guy. i'm sorry, it just isn't. and if that's all you run into, you need a new bunch of friends cause clearly they are all jerks. or, you know, you could be the jerk if that's what you think all nice guys are like....but, I degress..

anyway, so, toxicity.. yeah..it's everywhere :).

[plastroncafe]

The point of the term is backhanded. We know these people aren't nice, but they believe they are. When they don't get what they want, they blame it not on themselves and their behavior, but on the person denying them.
Can't they just see how much of a Nice Guy they are?

I'd imagine there are all kinds of problems that we're not all privy to because they don't affect us personally, this doesn't negate them as being problems to those that experience them.

The article I posted from Dr Nerdlove was published five years ago.
So this isn't a new buzzword, but rather one that you haven't been exposed to previously.

You're just one of the lucky 10,000 for this particular thing, that's all.

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ten_thousand.png

[d_osborn]

The Plastron Saint of the Technodrome.

https://media.giphy.com/media/gVoBC0SuaHStq/giphy.gif

[Powder]

The fact this discussion took very little time to turn into "All Trump supporters are Nazi's & all men online are woman-haters" is toxic.

This thread needs to be locked.

[Andrew NDB]

The fact this discussion took very little time to turn into "All Trump supporters are Nazi's & all men online are woman-haters" is toxic.

Over a month isn't that bad, is it?

[Prowler]

The fact this discussion took very little time to turn into "All Trump supporters are Nazi's & all men online are woman-haters" is toxic.

This thread needs to be locked.
That's sadly what every long thread has been turning into here lately. It's not just an exclusive problem of this place, though. The whole internet has been really into constantly arguing about feminism, sexism, racism, nazis, etc. for some years now.

[plastroncafe]

No one's said half of that, Powder. Stand down.

[Prowler]

I gotta say it though, I might disagree often with her, but I admire plastron's dedication to online debates about social issues. I would never have the patience even if I was passionate about said issues.

[plastroncafe]

I gotta say it though, I might disagree often with her, but I admire plastron's dedication to online debates about social issues. I would never have the patience even if I was passionate about said issues.

;)
One might think I'm directly affected by the outcomes of said discussions.

[d_osborn]

I gotta say it though, I might disagree often with her, but I admire plastron's dedication to online debates about social issues. I would never have the patience even if I was passionate about said issues.
Like I said, the Plastron Saint of the Technodrome. She had some low-hanging fruit dangling right in front of her, but she took the informative high road. 8)

[Powder]

That's sadly what every long thread has been turning into here lately. It's not just an exclusive problem of this place, though. The whole internet has been really into constantly arguing about feminism, sexism, racism, nazis, etc. for some years now.

You're right, but this is a TMNT forum, & some users virtually NEVER even post about TMNT, even in the TMNT sections. They only soapbox about socio-political stuff, often times when it isn't even relevant to the topic. Places like this should be an escape from that, but instead there are a number of users who have dedicated their account to a "cause" which only incites drama under the guise of improving a social climate while actually making it more contentious.