No More New Marvel Netflix Shows; Disney Wanted to Buy Fox to Compete with the Stream [Archive]

Autbot_Benz

11-09-2017, 03:21 PM

If you enjoy watching Marvel shows on Netflix, you might want to sit down for this: in the future, new Marvel shows will air on Disney’s in-development streaming service, leaving Netflix in the dust. This is all part of a larger plan Disney has to compete with Netflix, which included their as-of-now dead deal to purchase a large chunk of 21st Century Fox. The bottom line: the era of Marvel Netflix shows is nearing an end.

When Disney revealed they were planning on creating a new streaming service of their own, it seemed almost a given that they would start producing their own original content for it – which they later confirmed they would indeed be doing. But what about Disney produced content that already exists on other streaming services? Namely, the Marvel shows that are so popular on Netflix? It looks like Marvel’s Netflix days are numbered. A report in the Wall Street Journal confirms that future Marvel shows will play exclusively on Disney’s streaming service. There’s no word yet if the current Marvel Netflix shows – Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones, The Defenders and the upcoming The Punisher – would make the jump from Netflix to Disney’s service, but at this point I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened.

The WSJ story also confirms that Disney’s as-of-now stalled plan to buy a large chunk of 21st Century Fox was tied directly to their goals of trying to compete with Netflix. “[W]e’ve turned our attention to the one platform seeing growth challenges,” Disney Chief Strategy Officer Kevin Mayer says in the article. “That’s the television platform.” The Fox deal would’ve given Disney control of a large portion of Fox’s TV shows, which Disney would’ve then presumably moved over to their upcoming streaming service. Mayer also says to think of the Disney streaming service “not an anti-Netflix move, but a pro-Disney move.”

Disney is clearly determined to come out ahead here, but the transition isn’t going to be cheap or easy. In addition to having future Marvel shows premiere on their streaming service, Disney is also planning to pull all of their movies currently on Netflix and bring them over to their own streaming platform. The WSJ states that this movie is going to end up costing Disney $300-million-plus a year, but Disney seems confident their gamble will pay off with fans making the jump over to their new service.

Netflix, meanwhile, is continuing on their own quest for entertainment domination, with plans to spend at least $8 billion in creating original content for 2018. That’ll continue the head-start they already have on Disney, who plan to debut their streaming service in 2019.

http://www.slashfilm.com/no-more-new-marvel-netflix-shows/

Andrew NDB

11-09-2017, 03:24 PM

I don't think the deal with Fox is remotely over.

myconius

11-09-2017, 03:26 PM

of course they're going to pull the existing shows and air them on their own service. why wouldn't they?

so was this their plan all along?

thee ole 'bait em and get em hooked' routine.

Autbot_Benz

11-09-2017, 03:28 PM

If the current crop of Netflix (DD JJ Luke Cage Iron Fist and Defenders) Go to that streaming service. Disney can suck it royally.

Andrew NDB

11-09-2017, 03:30 PM

Autbot_Benz

11-09-2017, 03:35 PM

So Disney wants to move their Marvel shows from Netflix to Piratebay. All right, that's fine. Probably not a ton of Marvel Netflix fans are interested in paying just for them, or to randomly watch "The Little Mermaid" or something.

ya I am just gonna wait till "sites" get them up and watch them for free. I am not paying Disney for shows that were originally on Netflix if they actually move them to the streaming service.

dl316bh

11-09-2017, 03:38 PM

So Disney wants to move their Marvel shows from Netflix to Piratebay. All right, that's fine. Probably not a ton of Marvel Netflix fans are interested in paying just for them, or to randomly watch "The Little Mermaid" or something.
They're probably hoping Marvel and Star Wars together are enough to pull people in. I imagine they're going to have problems with retention, though, and they know it, which is why they tried to buy Fox and its slate of TV. They've probably got a solid base in parents who might toss the extra money a month out for a stream for the kids. How far that might take them, who knows.

chrisdude

11-09-2017, 03:40 PM

I would think they could load up the service with decades of ABC content, but I’ve heard no such thing.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

11-09-2017, 03:44 PM

sdp

11-09-2017, 03:48 PM

Disney is the only one that can actually easily compete with Netflix right now without having to build a huge library. They already have plenty of ontent which they can rotate around with new incoming one, with brands like Marvel, Star Wars, Pixar, ESPN and their different movie studios they have enough content for kids and adults.

In fact it's why Netflix is in trouble because they don't own enough of their own stuff and rely on others, this is why they invest heavily in original shows but even a lot of their originals they don't really own them, I remember reading about how many of those they don't really own so it does seem like Disney can pull the plug completely even on these Netflix originals.

I'm not happy to have all these companies with streaming services but it does seem like the future.

plastroncafe

11-09-2017, 04:07 PM

So...their new business model is hoping people don't forget to cancel their subscriptions after they've binged the one new show they've got?

Okay.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

11-09-2017, 04:15 PM

So...their new business model is hoping people don't forget to cancel their subscriptions after they've binged the one new show they've got?

Okay.

Yeah.

If I get a free month's subscription, all I need is Jessica Jones Season 2.

Disney, you don't get anymore of my money. You already get MCU and Pixar revenue from me. And all the Disney princesses stuff for my kids. You DON'T get my Defenders money!!!

https://i.imgur.com/H7fBIms.gif

dl316bh

11-09-2017, 04:17 PM

Honestly, if too many streaming services start cropping up, the whole thing is going to collapse again at some point. Part of why people love and turned to streaming in the first place is because it was cheap with a wide variety of things on offer. Once you start segmenting that too much, you run into problems, like not having enough content to actually keep people around, something Netflix already struggles with on occasion even now, which leads to cancellations. Then there's the fact that people also appreciate streaming for cost cutting measures, which stops making sense when eight million companies think they can just throw out a service on top of your internet bill, eventually adding up to what you were paying when you had cable to start with.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

11-09-2017, 04:31 PM

I can't imagine the majority of viewers DON'T hold the opinion of "one subscription, that's it." Seems like everybody on here does...

If I didn't spring for CBS All Access for STAR TREK, I'm sure as hell not springing for Disney's whatever-the-hell-it's-named to watch Defenders.

sdp

11-09-2017, 04:35 PM

It's already segmented and we already have a ton of streaming services, but unlike say the DC one or the WWE network Disney actually has the content to make it worth the 15 dollars or however much they want charge. Do you guys not realize how big Disney is? They're the only company that can be a serious threat to Netflix in the short term.

Netflix is investing millions in shows because they know they're at the mercy of movies like the one Disney is doing. Anyone with kids who only wants one service is not going to keep Netflix.

NinjaPug

11-09-2017, 06:06 PM

From the reporter that covers Disney for the Wall Street Journal:

Ben Fritz
@benfritz
To answer the same question from a few people: The Marvel shows currently on Netflix, and any spin-offs from them, will stay on that platform
6:25 PM · Nov 9, 2017

Autbot_Benz

11-09-2017, 06:15 PM

Chris

11-09-2017, 07:01 PM

Yeah, the Netflix shows are staying put for now. What will happen after the announced seasons is anyone's guess. My guess is they'll stay on Netflix for at least one more season each (beyond the announced seasons, if they continue). That will take us to 2020/2021. At that point they may be wrapping up anyway, we'll have had 3 seasons of the 5 original shows (4 of DD) plus 2 of Punisher (assuming all continue). By then Disney will have a better idea of their own streaming service and whether it's worth the cost of moving them over or just continuing with Netflix (or ending the series).

Any new shows will be made for their own service. They've already confirmed a new Marvel show & a live action Star Wars series. That, along with a promised cheaper price than Netflix (to reflect less content) and Disney's massive back catalogue should make this worth checking out.

My plan with Netflix was just to sub for the months a new Marvel show came out, binge and then cancel, resubscribing for each new season. I've been subscribed since DD season 1 :lol: With Disney, I'm a massive fan of a lot of their stuff but that means I already own a lot on Blu-Ray so I likely will just sub and binge when the new shows go up. I'll be honest, they had me at live action Star Wars

Jester

11-09-2017, 08:35 PM

raph27

11-12-2017, 09:18 PM

As I've said before, depending on how much of the "Disney Vault" is accessible on the service (heck, I'd almost just call it the Disney Vault if I was Disney.) I could see it being worth it regardless of where the Marvel streaming series wind up.

But there's no reason not to put everything on there if they own it. It's no longer a supply/demand thing like with home video, everything should be available if it's a digital service.

That being said, it's Disney. Of course they'll force a whole bunch of annoying loopholes and the like over their precious movies.

tmntfannumerouno

11-13-2017, 07:53 PM

They're probably hoping Marvel and Star Wars together are enough to pull people in. I imagine they're going to have problems with retention, though, and they know it, which is why they tried to buy Fox and its slate of TV. They've probably got a solid base in parents who might toss the extra money a month out for a stream for the kids. How far that might take them, who knows.

Couldn't they also move the ABC stuff to their streaming service?

Jester

11-13-2017, 08:38 PM

ABC, Freeform, all animated and live action movies that are currently in the "Disney Vault"...it could be huge.

Andrew NDB

11-28-2017, 07:51 PM

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/marvel_studios/disney-and-fox-have-reportedly-reentered-negotiations-an-official-announcement-could-be-imminent-a155836

It's still going. Announcement is "imminent."

Autbot_Benz

11-28-2017, 07:54 PM

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/marvel_studios/disney-and-fox-have-reportedly-reentered-negotiations-an-official-announcement-could-be-imminent-a155836

It's still going. Announcement is "imminent."

I think they have FF in the bag for Phase 4 its just something I believe

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

11-28-2017, 08:01 PM

I think they have FF in the bag for Phase 4 its just something I believe

Same. Been convinced of that ever since Legion and Gifted were announced. But announcing that would distract from Avengers 3 and 4.

Andrew NDB

11-28-2017, 09:51 PM

Same. Been convinced of that ever since Legion and Gifted were announced. But announcing that would distract from Avengers 3 and 4.

Yes, exactly.

ProphetofGanja

11-28-2017, 10:37 PM

You guys are really certain about this, I hope you're right.

The FF, Dr. Doom, the Silver Surfer and Galactus would be the perfect additions to the MCU for Phase 4 and beyond

sdp

11-28-2017, 10:52 PM

Andrew NDB

11-29-2017, 12:04 AM

I'm not saying Fantastic Four characters and cosmic marvel wouldn't be great for Phase 4 but not at the expense of Disney owning Fox, this will take a toll on creativity for decades, nerd boners are not worth it, take an economics 101 class.

I'm more than OK with Marvel being allowed to make more of their Marvel properties into movies that they control. I do wonder what the greater ramifications seen though, for non-Marvel stuff... but maybe those aren't so negative either. What would entirely different higher-ups do with, say, the Alien franchise?

Andrew NDB

12-04-2017, 05:04 PM

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/disney/disney-is-now-said-to-be-the-favourite-to-acquire-21st-century-foxs-media-assets-a156025

Disney is still #1 in the bidding war.

raph27

12-04-2017, 09:34 PM

I'm more than OK with Marvel being allowed to make more of their Marvel properties into movies that they control. I do wonder what the greater ramifications seen though, for non-Marvel stuff... but maybe those aren't so negative either. What would entirely different higher-ups do with, say, the Alien franchise?

I shudder to think of what will happen to Kingsman 3 if Disney is in control.

Andrew NDB

12-04-2017, 09:51 PM

I shudder to think of what will happen to Kingsman 3 if Disney is in control.

Almost undoubtedly nothing at all. They wouldn't put it out under the Disney banner.

Jester

12-04-2017, 09:54 PM

Has Disney done Marvel and Star Wars too much wrong? I really cant understand everyone's fear of the Mouse.

Cure

12-04-2017, 10:11 PM

Almost undoubtedly nothing at all. They wouldn't put it out under the Disney banner.

Or they could just have one of their subsidiaries release it.

Like, people need to realize that a lot of movies are "Disney" movies if traced back to parent companies. Kill Bill is a Disney movie.

ZariusTwo

12-05-2017, 04:01 AM

Has Disney done Marvel and Star Wars too much wrong? I really cant understand everyone's fear of the Mouse.

Disney have done some right by Marvel, like locking out the comics division from meddling with the movies.

They seem to be micro-managing Star Wars to a divisive degree however.

NinjaPug

12-05-2017, 09:16 AM

"Walt Disney Co. and 21st Century Fox are closing in on a deal and it could come as soon as next week, according to sources familiar with the matter."

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/12/05/disney-and-fox-are-closing-in-on-deal-could-be-announced-next-week--sources.html

Andrew NDB

12-05-2017, 10:57 AM

ProphetofGanja

12-05-2017, 12:02 PM

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Yeah I'm excited too

If Disney does get the rights to Fox's Marvel characters, how would you have them introduce mutants and the X-Men into the MCU?

If they get the rights to the Fantastic Four, Dr. Doom, Galactus and the Silver Surfer I'd rather Marvel introduce them to the MCU first, there's a lot of story potential with the characters and they're some of my favorites

As far as mutants go, I think it could be done but they'd have to approach it carefully. I wouldn't want them to introduce mutants and retcon things so that they've always been around, with mutants dating back to ancient times (sorry not sorry, Apocalypse). I think introducing mutant evolution would work better as a story set in present-day, but then still I would think they'd need to spend a lot of time thinking about whether they really wanted to introduce them to the MCU because they carry so much baggage with them. A lot of their mutation-based powers make no sense and that's one area in which I have trouble with extending my suspension-of-disbelief.

I did always like this alternate take (http://dresdencodak.tumblr.com/post/24574027688/dresden-codaks-x-men-reboot) on the X-men mythos though

Andrew NDB

12-05-2017, 12:06 PM

If Disney does get the rights to Fox's Marvel characters, how would you have them introduce mutants and the X-Men into the MCU?

I think one of two ways. There's supposedly a lot of reality altering stuff, multiversal kind of things going on in one or both of the next Avengers movies with Thanos... it is possible at some point things could get fractured and POOF, guess who's been around since forever? Mutants.

Or maybe they include a scene of the X-Men coming in for a big save at the end of Avengers 4, and that being their big "we are mutants, we are among you!" unveiling. And suddenly the world realizes what's been going on at Xavier's mansion/school for all of these decades. Hell, maybe SHIELD or Hydra-SHIELD even knew about them, kept them on watch lists.

Spike Spiegel

12-05-2017, 12:17 PM

Yeah I'm excited too

If Disney does get the rights to Fox's Marvel characters, how would you have them introduce mutants and the X-Men into the MCU?

If they get the rights to the Fantastic Four, Dr. Doom, Galactus and the Silver Surfer I'd rather Marvel introduce them to the MCU first, there's a lot of story potential with the characters and they're some of my favorites

The Marvel Studios tone/style would actually work really well for the FF.

ProphetofGanja

12-05-2017, 12:40 PM

I think one of two ways. There's supposedly a lot of reality altering stuff, multiversal kind of things going on in one or both of the next Avengers movies with Thanos... it is possible at some point things could get fractured and POOF, guess who's been around since forever? Mutants.

Or maybe they include a scene of the X-Men coming in for a big save at the end of Avengers 4, and that being their big "we are mutants, we are among you!" unveiling. And suddenly the world realizes what's been going on at Xavier's mansion/school for all of these decades. Hell, maybe SHIELD or Hydra-SHIELD even knew about them, kept them on watch lists.

Far too late for them to get shoehorned into Avengers 4 though. But they could still do either a reality-reboot caused by some character messing around with powerful artifacts or magic or something, or just begin the mutant storyline in present day.

The Marvel Studios tone/style would actually work really well for the FF.

Yeah I think so too. The chances of a good FF story are way higher with Marvel than they were with Fox

Andrew NDB

12-05-2017, 12:55 PM

Far too late for them to get shoehorned into Avengers 4 though.

I don't think so at all. Spider-Man wasn't even a sure thing to be included in Civil War until they were practically shooting... and that was for a larger involvement than what would be needed from the X-Men in A4.

If nothing else, surely some epic mid or after credits sequences.

NinjaPug

12-05-2017, 01:20 PM

Doesn't Constantin Films still own the film rights to the Fantastic Four? I think they just have a deal with Fox to produce any F4 films but Fox has zero rights outside of distribution. I assume Disney would work something out with Constantin if the sale goes through.

Andrew NDB

12-05-2017, 03:26 PM

Doesn't Constantin Films still own the film rights to the Fantastic Four?

Eh, looks like you're right. I see an article from last November talking about they were looking to liquidate them, though, but nothing new on that end.

Also, remember when Stan Lee called this back in September?

https://www.cbr.com/stan-lee-believes-marvel-regaining-x-men-movie-rights/

CyberCubed

12-05-2017, 03:36 PM

If Disney buys all of Fox's properities does that mean they get The Simpsons, Futurama, etc. too or is this not included?

Andrew NDB

12-05-2017, 03:37 PM

If Disney buys all of Fox's properities does that mean they get The Simpsons, Futurama, etc. too or is this not included?

That's not news or sports so yeah.

Andrew NDB

12-05-2017, 03:40 PM

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CyberCubed

12-05-2017, 03:40 PM

Simpsons owned by Disney? Weird, if Simpsons hadn't already been airing for nearly 30 years I would have said they would reboot it.

Odd because Simpsons is probably on it's last legs. if Season 30 is the final season.

NinjaPug

12-05-2017, 04:11 PM

Eh, looks like you're right. I see an article from last November talking about they were looking to liquidate them, though, but nothing new on that end.

Also, remember when Stan Lee called this back in September?

https://www.cbr.com/stan-lee-believes-marvel-regaining-x-men-movie-rights/

It's very confusing. For instance why did Fox have to give the ok for Marvel to use Ego in GOTG 2 if Constantin holds the film rights to the F4 characters?

ProphetofGanja

12-07-2017, 07:24 PM

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Oh man, if Disney acquires Fox's Marvel properties they'll be able to do an adaptation of the classic Secret Wars, one of Marvel's premier stories and one of my favorites

LeotheLateBloomer

12-08-2017, 07:43 AM

They're likely going to reboot both X-Men and FF if this happens. I can't see them integrating the current continuity of both series into the MCU (FF, obviously:trazz:). Imho, it would be best for both properties. Based on what I'm seeing for future X-Men films, they don't seem like they know what they're doing. I am curious to know if they'll continue Deadpool after the upcoming sequel.

If this acquisition happens, will New Mutants, Dark Phoenix, etc. still continue? I can't see Gambit happening if this does.

Andrew NDB

12-08-2017, 11:01 AM

They're likely going to reboot both X-Men and FF if this happens.

There is no way in hell that them not doing so could even be a remote possibility.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

12-08-2017, 12:16 PM

Andrew NDB

12-08-2017, 12:20 PM

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/sorry-deadpool-ryan-reynolds-x-mens-wolverine-avengers-unite-disneyfox-close-acquisition-deal-752102

The deal is closed.

Does this mean that Marvel has EVERYONE back now? :teek: (Except for Sony screwing things up by keeping one hand on Spiderman's rogues and supporting cast?)

Yeah, everybody is back. Only quirks are... they can't ever make a solo Hulk movie on their own without a deal with Universal (who has shown no signs of budging on that, and Marvel doesn't seem to care enough about it to make a big push to change that), and they need to lean on Sony each and every time they want to use Spider-Man or Spider-Man characters.

Not a bad place to be at, really.

http://www.sharegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/tumblr_mmjv26BQu71ra0zzyo1_.gif

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

12-08-2017, 12:30 PM

Yeah, everybody is back. Only quirks are... they can't ever make a solo Hulk movie on their own without a deal with Universal (who has shown no signs of budging on that, and Marvel doesn't seem to care enough about it to make a big push to change that), and they need to lean on Sony each and every time they want to use Spider-Man or Spider-Man characters.

Not a bad place to be at, really.

http://www.sharegif.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/tumblr_mmjv26BQu71ra0zzyo1_.gif

It's a GREAT place to be. Not 100%, but close enough that it doesn't even matter.

If Marvel wants to use any particular character for their Spiderman movies, then they can use them and pretend Sony's shite version doesn't exist. And for Hulk, if they do She-Hulk they can carry forward and have Hulk without a solo Hulk movie...

Andrew NDB

12-08-2017, 12:46 PM

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

12-08-2017, 12:54 PM

I feel like I'm in shock about all of this, honestly. I know the Fox-Disney talks have been happening for many weeks now... but did anyone in their wildest dreams imagine this would actually happen, and so quickly?

I fully imagined Fox would cling to at least the X-Men until their dying day and even then, hold onto them to prevent other studios from using them.

Same. The way they made a terrible F4ntastic film, that seemed a dead giveaway that Fox would never, ever, play ball. And then the new X shows... THAT seemed to further reinforce that Fox was clinging resolutely to the X rights, but would maybe give away some Fantastic (cough Galactus cough) stuff for that.

Wow.

Andrew NDB

12-08-2017, 01:00 PM

CyberCubed

12-08-2017, 01:03 PM

Andrew NDB

12-08-2017, 01:08 PM

Disney isn't going to ignore Spiderman's characters/villains since the new Spidey is part of the Marvel movie universe. If Sony screws up with future movies they can't go around saying their Venom or future characters aren't canon.

It's a unique situation there. If Venom fails, Marvel can just ignore and that's that. If Venom succeeds, Marvel can roll Venom into the MCU, no problem. Or even if Venom succeeds but isn't quite what they had in mind, Marvel can just make their own Venom.

Win, win, beyond the possibility of simultaneous "dueling Venoms" between companies making the character sort of murky to audiences.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

12-08-2017, 01:08 PM

I wonder what will happen to the non-MCU X-Men shows like "Legion" or "The Gifted"? Will they pull the plug on them between seasons, or will they leave TV aside? I'd imagine Marvel would have interest in doing some "real" mutant stuff on TV and they probably wouldn't want those other non-"real" mutant shows muddying up things.

Also, Marvel comics fans should be happy. This means the moratorium by Marvel to basically bury the X-Men and Fantastic Four in the comics because of the Fox situation will be lifted. No more pushing Inhumans over mutants or anything. Quicksilver will probably even go back to being Magneto's son.

They can even say the MCU Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are Magneto's kids if they want to, and that's why the Soul Stone or whichever Stone affected them... caused a latent mutation or something.

Disney isn't going to ignore Spiderman's characters/villains since the new Spidey is part of the Marvel movie universe. If Sony screws up with future movies they can't go around saying their Venom or future characters aren't canon.

But ARE they canon to the MCU? I think it's a gray area. If Marvel really really REALLY wants to use Venom as the villain in Spidey Homecoming 4, they'll do it, Sony be damned.

Andrew NDB

12-08-2017, 01:11 PM

If Marvel really really REALLY wants to use Venom as the villain in Spidey Homecoming 4, they'll do it, Sony be damned.

Well, they'd still have ask Sony's permission. There's no reason Sony would say "no" to that, though. Marvel embracing their Venom in the MCU would only help Sony's Spider microverse.

CyberCubed

12-08-2017, 01:16 PM

Of course it's still canon whether they use them in their movies or not. The new Spiderman is canon in their movie-verse, so anything that happens in his movies or related spinoffs is still canon.

ProphetofGanja

12-08-2017, 01:37 PM

I hope that Sony's Venom gets retconned in the future; I want to see Spider-Man get the symbiotic suit properly, during SECRET WARS

Andrew NDB

12-08-2017, 01:43 PM

I hope that Sony's Venom gets retconned in the future; I want to see Spider-Man get the symbiotic suit properly, during SECRET WARS

It will be "Avengers: Secret Wars."

ProphetofGanja

12-08-2017, 01:50 PM

It will be "Avengers: Secret Wars."

lmao of course, but that's not the worst thing in the world. Worth it to have Marvel actually be able to use all of their characters in a film series

They could even stick Deadpool in there like the parody retcon comic miniseries he was in during Marvel's second Secret Wars event last year, that would be amazing

Of course by the time Marvel would be ready to film something like this several of the MCU's founding Avengers would likely have been stepped-down or retired from the films all together, but that's alright it's only natural

Andrew NDB

12-08-2017, 02:04 PM

My only wish at this point is that things would get a lot less weird between Marvel Studios and Marvel TV. The Netflix stuff is the best thing Marvel's done anywhere, and I wanna see things like Vincent D'onofrio's Kingpin in a Spider-Man movie or Ghost Rider in a Dr. Strange movie. It's shame to have all of that trapped in a bubble.

I hope that Sony's Venom gets retconned in the future; I want to see Spider-Man get the symbiotic suit properly, during SECRET WARS

Are we sure the MCU Spider-Man would even want the symbiotic suit? What could it possibly offer him that Tony's super Spider-suit can't?

ProphetofGanja

12-08-2017, 02:35 PM

My only wish at this point is that things would get a lot less weird between Marvel Studios and Marvel TV. The Netflix stuff is the best thing Marvel's done anywhere, and I wanna see things like Vincent D'onofrio's Kingpin in a Spider-Man movie or Ghost Rider in a Dr. Strange movie. It's shame to have all of that trapped in a bubble.

Are we sure the MCU Spider-Man would even want the symbiotic suit? What could it possibly offer him that Tony's super Spider-suit can't?

Honestly, not much. Marvel really made his suit OP soon after he became Spider-Man, I don't know that I like that choice yet. It just seems really... excessive. I mean Spider-Man's web-shooting options have always been pretty versatile and he's had a fair number of gadgets over the years (still ain't got nothing on Batman tho) but this is over the top

plastroncafe

12-08-2017, 02:43 PM

I dunno, I can see the appeal of not being reliant on the whim and whimsy of Tony Stark.

Andrew NDB

12-08-2017, 02:45 PM

And I thought the whole point of Homecoming was to demonstrate that Peter doesn't need any Stark tech or gadgets or anything, that he's better without that crap. Yet here he is in Infinity War, proudly swinging around in Stark Super Spider-Suit 2.0, like they've double-downed on the opposite.

plastroncafe

12-08-2017, 02:49 PM

Stark is, and always will be, his own worst enemy.

ZariusTwo

12-11-2017, 03:32 PM

Here's a real kicker for the Disney/Fox deal...Fantastic Four is only licensed and distributed by FOX, they don't actually own the rights directly. Constantin Films own the rights. So if Disney get the X-Franchise and other elements still under FOX's direct control, it's likely they won't acquire the Four and will have to court Constantin for them

https://screenrant.com/disney-fox-fantastic-4-rights-constantin/?ref=yfp

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

12-11-2017, 03:45 PM

Andrew NDB

12-11-2017, 03:51 PM

If Disney gets the X-franchise, they'll likely never care enough to bother with the Fantastic Four.

Highly unlikely. They'd absolutely do a new Fantastic Four movie.

And again, there was some hubbub about Fox having bought out Constantin's interest in the Fantastic Four a year ago, though nothing conclusive. In any case, assuming the worst, Constantin was able to play ball with Fox enough to do 3 Fantastic Four movies so far... I wouldn't expect they'd cause Disney/Marvel Studios much problems. If not, I'm sure it'd be a Hulk kind of situation... i.e., they can use the Fantastic Four in anything they want, anywhere, as long as it's not a Fantastic Four solo feature. But I'd kind of just imagine Disney would throw money at Constantin to get them out of the picture nice and neat.

dl316bh

12-11-2017, 04:05 PM

If Disney gets the X-franchise, they'll likely never care enough to bother with the Fantastic Four.
Disney has the Avengers, which has long since replaced the X-Men as the most popular team in and out of the comics and whose films have made more domestically and internationally than any single X film, and they still made movies out of Ant-Man and Dr. Strange of all characters.

If they ever get the rights back, Fantastic Four is greenlit day one, guaranteed.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

12-11-2017, 06:57 PM

Highly unlikely. They'd absolutely do a new Fantastic Four movie.

And again, there was some hubbub about Fox having bought out Constantin's interest in the Fantastic Four a year ago, though nothing conclusive. In any case, assuming the worst, Constantin was able to play ball with Fox enough to do 3 Fantastic Four movies so far... I wouldn't expect they'd cause Disney/Marvel Studios much problems. If not, I'm sure it'd be a Hulk kind of situation... i.e., they can use the Fantastic Four in anything they want, anywhere, as long as it's not a Fantastic Four solo feature. But I'd kind of just imagine Disney would throw money at Constantin to get them out of the picture nice and neat.

I'm presupposing this on the possibility that those rights haven't already been obtained (i.e. in exchange for Legion). But if a huge wave of X-rights come home and the Fantastic Four don't, there will be so much material to mine that it could take another decade or two before anyone makes the Richards foursome a priority. (Galactus, Annihulus, and other cosmic big bads excepted.)

ProphetofGanja

12-11-2017, 07:40 PM

I think the relative longevity of the X-Men movies compared to the several failed Fantastic Four film franchises (say that five times fast) actually works in the FF's favor as far as Disney/Marvel is concerned. Focusing on the FF over the X-men initially would allow time to pass, fading memories of the X-Men films so that when Disney/Marvel introduces their own versions of the characters they'll have less baggage from prior iterations, as well as more viewers who will have never seen the Fox X-Men movies.

When Marvel started blackballing the hell out of the Fantastic Four in their comics I knew they had plans as far as getting the movie rights back. I hope they pay off!

ProactiveMan

12-11-2017, 10:41 PM

Cure

12-11-2017, 10:43 PM

I can't wait 'till Disney own me and everyone I care about. They're such a nice company with honorable and fair business practices. I'm sure once all their competition is gone, they'll keep the quality up too. I mean, that's how it always works right?!

You would think more people would see it this way, but...you know, X-Men in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, boy howdy.

Andrew NDB

12-11-2017, 11:03 PM

I'm presupposing this on the possibility that those rights haven't already been obtained (i.e. in exchange for Legion).

Come to think of it... the article I read about Constantin being bought out by Fox... that happening around December of last year... hmmm... you might be right. After decades, why would Fox suddenly care about straightening things out with Constantin, particularly after their Fantastic Four reboot failed?

Only one explanation I can think of: to be able to gift Fantastic Four to Disney/Marvel with a nice legal ribbon. In exchange for Legion and Gifted, possibly some "here's the difference" kind of money to sweeten the pot.

ProactiveMan

12-12-2017, 12:50 AM

You would think more people would see it this way, but...you know, X-Men in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, boy howdy.

I can't pretend I'm above it either. I want to see Doctor Doom and Galactus on the big screen as much as anyone else, and this is probably the only way it's going to happen without somebody totally screwing it up.

I feel I have to argue against monopolization on principal, but it's not easy when you have to go to bat for boobs like 20th Century Fox and Sony Pictures.

Candy Kappa

12-12-2017, 06:25 AM

I can't wait 'till Disney own me and everyone I care about. They're such a nice company with honorable and fair business practices. I'm sure once all their competition is gone, they'll keep the quality up too. I mean, that's how it always works right?!

Yeah, it's really scary how much Disney owns now. And the whole "yay FF in MCU", that would have happened in a couple of years anyway when the rights would be returned. FF and X-Men is barely just icing for Disney when it comes to all the other stuff Fox have in their library.

Andrew NDB

12-12-2017, 10:58 AM

Yeah, it's really scary how much Disney owns now. And the whole "yay FF in MCU", that would have happened in a couple of years anyway when the rights would be returned.

No it wouldn't have (I mean, assuming there wasn't some quiet deal with Marvel behind the scenes during all of this). Fox had plans for another Fantastic Four reboot down the line to, if nothing else, keep the rights secured:

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/30/fox-stakes-six-new-marvel-movie-dates-one-kid-oriented-fantastic-four-flick/

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/next-fantastic-four-film-reboot-might-be-a-kids-mo/1100-6451102/

Andrew NDB

12-12-2017, 11:01 AM

http://www.darkhorizons.com/disney-fox-deal-announcing-thursday/

Comcast dropped out entirely. Official announcement expected Thursday.

NinjaPug

12-12-2017, 12:03 PM

Come to think of it... the article I read about Constantin being bought out by Fox... that happening around December of last year... hmmm... you might be right. After decades, why would Fox suddenly care about straightening things out with Constantin, particularly after their Fantastic Four reboot failed?

Only one explanation I can think of: to be able to gift Fantastic Four to Disney/Marvel with a nice legal ribbon. In exchange for Legion and Gifted, possibly some "here's the difference" kind of money to sweeten the pot.

Constantin still holds the film rights. I assume Disney would take control of Fox's co-distribution and production deal with Constantin. Either way, if Marvel Studios really wants a F4 movie they'll strike a deal with Constantin.

The Legion/Gifted stuff is nonsense. They didn't trade anything. Marvel Television is producing both shows.

Krutch

12-14-2017, 06:45 AM

It's Official: Disney buys 20th Century Fox and 20th Century Fox Television (http://www.superherohype.com/news/409373-breaking-disney-buys-20th-century-fox-and-20th-century-fox-television)

NinjaPug

12-14-2017, 08:31 AM

I really hate this. Rumors are that Disney is going to significantly decrease the output from Fox movies. Wonder what this means for Fox Searchlight and FX.

Since the official press release mentions Fantastic Four specifically I'd say any issues with Constantin has been worked out.

Spike Spiegel

12-14-2017, 10:02 AM

Media consolidation marches on...

plastroncafe

12-14-2017, 10:12 AM

Tis the season for Monopoly.

newfan

12-14-2017, 10:48 AM

I don't want to see that happen, not just Disney, other industries too.

Andrew NDB

12-14-2017, 10:57 AM

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CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

12-14-2017, 11:25 AM

Tis the season for Monopoly.

Falalalalala lalalalala. What's left for Disney now, Park Place and maybe one of the Railroads?

Autbot_Benz

12-14-2017, 11:31 AM

Looks like FF 4 can be in Phase 4 after all. No more ****** Kinberg movies

Andrew NDB

12-14-2017, 12:14 PM

Looks like FF 4 can be in Phase 4 after all. No more ****** Kinberg movies

Don't be so sure. I mean, the Fox-verse won't be grandfathered in at all, no way, but Kinberg himself has a lot of sway at Disney. Depending on Dark Phoenix's reception I wouldn't be too surprised to see his name attached to X-Men movies in some capacity.

NinjaPug

12-14-2017, 12:27 PM

I'm going to assume this acquisition means Marvel will stop trying to force the Inhumans on us.

Don't be so sure. I mean, the Fox-verse won't be grandfathered in at all, no way, but Kinberg himself has a lot of sway at Disney. Depending on Dark Phoenix's reception I wouldn't be too surprised to see his name attached to X-Men movies in some capacity.

Yep, people seem to like the little snitch. I don't think Feige will let him write or direct anything going forward. Hopefully he's only onboard as a producer.

sdp

12-14-2017, 12:58 PM

We will see less movies, less risky movies, less properties being made, less interesting content.

But I guess that's too hard to grasp for most people so X-MEN IS BACK AT MARVEL THANKGOD!!111

AquaParade

12-14-2017, 01:01 PM

I'm going to assume this acquisition means Marvel will stop trying to force the Inhumans on us.

Yep, people seem to like the little snitch. I don't think Feige will let him write or direct anything going forward. Hopefully he's only onboard as a producer.

little snitch?

Vicky82

12-14-2017, 01:01 PM

Good news, Deadpool can stay as R rated.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/deadpool-will-stay-r-rated-fox-disney-merger-1067651?utm_source=twitter

CyberCubed

12-14-2017, 01:07 PM

We will see less movies, less risky movies, less properties being made, less interesting content.

But I guess that's too hard to grasp for most people so X-MEN IS BACK AT MARVEL THANKGOD!!111

Why do you say that? Fox was already crapping the bed with crappy Alien and Die Hard sequels.

The only thing they had going for them was the new Planet of the Apes movies.

Andrew NDB

12-14-2017, 01:12 PM

little snitch?

Kinberg famously snitched out Josh Trank to Kathleen Kennedy, destroying Trank's Boba Fett movie and getting him fired from it after his Fantastic Four debacle.

The only thing they had going for them was the new Planet of the Apes movies.

And those movies ended with the last one, anyway.

I do wonder, though. Just one example: "The Predator" comes out in a few months... what logo will be attached to it? Not Fox, and not Disney either... so maybe Disney dusts off their Touchstone Pictures?

Good news, Deadpool can stay as R rated.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/deadpool-will-stay-r-rated-fox-disney-merger-1067651?utm_source=twitter

There was 0 danger of it not.

sdp

12-14-2017, 01:13 PM

Economics 101, the less players in a market means less risks will be taken, even if Fox put out "crap" it kept Disney in check, now Disney can take less risks and release tame stuff since it has less competition and pretty much owns the market.

Nothing good comes out of having "one" dominant player, whether it's super markets, wrestling, restaurants, movies, video games, cars etc.

CyberCubed

12-14-2017, 01:19 PM

Planet of the Apes had at least one more movie being planned, but I assume the idea was to have 5 new movies to match the 5 original movies. Either way I don't see them rebooting Planet of the Apes again anytime soon.

Andrew NDB

12-14-2017, 01:35 PM

Planet of the Apes had at least one more movie being planned,

Nope, just talk. And with Matt Reeves doing "The Batman" trilogy, Fox probably isn't too keen to give it to just anybody.

but I assume the idea was to have 5 new movies to match the 5 original movies. Either way I don't see them rebooting Planet of the Apes again anytime soon.

If any next one that arises does a major time jump to as far in the future as the original movies were, they wouldn't need to. It'd already be so far removed from the first 3 that it doesn't matter if it's a reboot or not.

ZariusTwo

12-14-2017, 01:37 PM

WGA West are pissed off

https://t.co/afUsQ4gycO

“In the relentless drive to eliminate competition, big business has an insatiable appetite for consolidation. Disney and Fox have spent decades profiting from the oligopolistic control that the six major media conglomerates have exercised over the entertainment industry, often at the expense of the creators who power their television and film operations. Now, this proposed merger of direct competitors will make matters even worse by substantially increasing the market power of a combined Disney-Fox corporation. The antitrust concerns raised by this deal are obvious and significant. The Writers Guild of America West strongly opposes this merger and will work to ensure our nation’s antitrust laws are enforced.”

dl316bh

12-14-2017, 02:02 PM

Nothing good comes out of having "one" dominant player, whether it's super markets, wrestling, restaurants, movies, video games, cars etc.
I've been watching wrestling since I was about nine in 1996 and I can confirm.

I never liked WCW, but since they went under and WWE became the only real presence, things have been frequently frustrating. They got super lazy and complacent, to the point they don't even worry about basic continuity, motivations or properly building the wrestlers anymore. There are plenty of bright spots, but it feels like they don't listen to actual fans enough and there's no pressure to, so they just do what they want, even if it means arbitrary decisions from a millionaire in his seventies who lost touch with the pulse of his own audience a while ago. There are more indy places to watch these days, but almost no one with real TV deals or that have even half the reach of WWE unless you go outside the US (and WWE's making moves out THERE now).

One company with most of the power is never a good thing and a lifelong hobby pretty much taught me the consequences directly.

NinjaPug

12-14-2017, 02:26 PM

I do wonder, though. Just one example: "The Predator" comes out in a few months... what logo will be attached to it? Not Fox, and not Disney either... so maybe Disney dusts off their Touchstone Pictures?

Fox's 2018 (and part of 2019) release schedule won't be affected at all so it'll still have the Fox logo attached. From what I've read there can't be any interaction between the two sides during the govt approval process so Fox will continue operating as usual and can't have input from Disney.

LeotheLateBloomer

12-15-2017, 07:00 AM

Why do you say that? Fox was already crapping the bed with crappy Alien and Die Hard sequels.

The only thing they had going for them was the new Planet of the Apes movies.

And even then, I didn't really care for Rise of the Planet of the Apes. That's just me though.

I wonder if they'll cancel The Simpsons or not. About time, though.

dl316bh

12-15-2017, 01:36 PM

I wonder if they'll cancel The Simpsons or not. About time, though.
Probably not. They just got it. I think they'll keep it going for a while. It will end eventually, though. That show's going to make a ton of money in syndication, which is why Fox had been considering ending it the last seven years or so.

ZariusTwo

12-15-2017, 03:19 PM

Probably not. They just got it. I think they'll keep it going for a while. It will end eventually, though. That show's going to make a ton of money in syndication, which is why Fox had been considering ending it the last seven years or so.

Yeah, when Disney bought Power Rangers back in 2001, they had no initial intention of continuing it after the tehth season, they were content to make money off the syndication reruns.

They were only persuaded to keep the show going after someone convinced them to film in New Zealand and not LA.

PR's one of those few franchises Disney wanted no part of eventually, doubtful that applies to the single most accomplished animation of the 20th century.

I can see Disney maybe wanting to appeal to the older fanbase and "retool" the show to being more of what it was in the earlier seasons

TigerClaw

12-15-2017, 04:25 PM

Probably not. They just got it. I think they'll keep it going for a while. It will end eventually, though. That show's going to make a ton of money in syndication, which is why Fox had been considering ending it the last seven years or so.
What I can see happening, is the voice actors of the Simpson asking for more money, since Disney owns the Simpsons series, and they would have no choice to pay those voice actors more money to continue doing that show.

Storm Eagle

12-15-2017, 05:10 PM

Yeah, when Disney bought Power Rangers back in 2001, they had no initial intention of continuing it after the tehth season, they were content to make money off the syndication reruns.

They were only persuaded to keep the show going after someone convinced them to film in New Zealand and not LA.

PR's one of those few franchises Disney wanted no part of eventually, doubtful that applies to the single most accomplished animation of the 20th century.

I can see Disney maybe wanting to appeal to the older fanbase and "retool" the show to being more of what it was in the earlier seasons

You just opened up a can of worms bringing PR into the discussion, but now that you've mentioned it, I might as well just ask you how Disney can touch PR the show when it's back in Saban's hands. It doesn't even air on any Fox outlets anymore.

ZariusTwo

12-16-2017, 04:46 AM

You just opened up a can of worms bringing PR into the discussion, but now that you've mentioned it, I might as well just ask you how Disney can touch PR the show when it's back in Saban's hands. It doesn't even air on any Fox outlets anymore.

That last part of the sentence was referring to The Simpsons, not PR:)

Andrew NDB

12-16-2017, 04:53 AM

What I can see happening, is the voice actors of the Simpson asking for more money, since Disney owns the Simpsons series, and they would have no choice to pay those voice actors more money to continue doing that show.

No, nothing would change. That's not the way this works. Whatever contract they had with Fox would be inherited and honored by both sides at Disney for however long their existing contracts last. At the end of said contract they would be up for renegotiation, same as any contract they'd ever had and fulfilled at Fox over the past few decades.