Most Violent moments in the Old Cartoon

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Recently, I watched the 2nd Nick/80s crossover again and one of the main points of that special (the turtles not using their weapons) got me thinking, what exactly were the most violent moment of the Old Toon?

Usually, the fights were usually slapstick but there were always exceptions which makes me wonder what the standouts would be. I can't remember too many off the top of my head since I haven't watched through the OT in a while but a few that come to mind are 80s Leo stabbing the plant monster in season 2 and Shredder blowing up the channel six building in season 8.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Shredder blowing up Channel Six, hands down.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

That was especially gruesome, considering that we didn't know Splinter and the Channel Six crew escaped until the very end and it was the 1st episode of the Red Sky seasons so nobody knew what to expect.

[CyberCubed]

Probably Seymour Guts floating in the mutagen mix with all his body parts separated before he became Mutagen Man?

[Prowler]

Probably Seymour Guts floating in the mutagen mix with all his body parts separated before he became Mutagen Man?

Yeah that one was rather graphic. Rocksteady and Bebop evne said something like "the guy is done for", and Krang just said "who cares about that? he's gonna ruin the mutagen!"... I mean Krang was a warlord. Obviously the deaths of others didn't bother him.

And what about Baxter being turned into a fly? It was obvious Krang was trying to kill him. And for a second or two it seemed like he was gonna die. We even saw his skeleton... hell, in that same episode April almost died from poisonous flowers. That was a bit risky for an 80s cartoon episode.

[CyberCubed]

There are a lot of episodes the Turtles or April are tied to machines or conveyor belts that would lead to them being sliced and diced, crushed, burned, etc....but of course they always free themselves in time. Or episodes where rockets or bombs are being set after them and they escape the last minute.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I recently remembered another moment.

In the season 4 episode "Name that Toon", Donatello and Shredder get into a fight which ultimately results in Shredder winning, but before that Donatello smacks him in the face with his bo staff.

There weren't any injuries or anything, but hearing Shredder howl in pain after what happened to him, I was like Yikes :teek:

[biganimefan]

I recently remembered another moment.

In the season 4 episode "Name that Toon", Donatello and Shredder get into a fight which ultimately results in Shredder winning, but before that Donatello smacks him in the face with his bo staff.

There weren't any injuries or anything, but hearing Shredder howl in pain after what happened to him, I was like Yikes :teek:

Yeah I definitely remember that. Also, I remember immediately after that where Donatello was going in "for the kill" after Shredder was on the floor dazed briefly(before getting kicked away by him).

Lol, really Donatello was probably the most brutal of the Turtles in the original series, particularly where the Shredder was concerned. I also remember in season 7 where he was about to drop him from a great height and onto a machine. Sure, he may not exactly have been himself at the time, but it was still him though.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Shredder blowing up Channel Six, hands down.

Everyone inside was saved, reducing it all to vandalism.

[Powder]

That's not how it works. At all.

[Wesley]

I recently remembered another moment.

In the season 4 episode "Name that Toon", Donatello and Shredder get into a fight which ultimately results in Shredder winning, but before that Donatello smacks him in the face with his bo staff.

There weren't any injuries or anything, but hearing Shredder howl in pain after what happened to him, I was like Yikes :teek:

That’s the one violent moment that stands out for me, as I actually thought Shredder was hit in the eye by Donatello. That must have hurt a lot, especially since James Avery did a good job at portraying it.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Everyone inside was saved, reducing it all to vandalism.

Uh, no. It was a flat out attempt at mass murder. He BLEW UP a building FULL of people! They only escaped with Splinter's help. And even then, it was destruction of property at the LEAST, and terrorism at worst.

[CyberCubed]

The Technodrome ran over a few buildings in the Season 3 finale.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The Technodrome ran over a few buildings in the Season 3 finale.

Everyone inside probably managed to evacuate. Almost a rule in a children's series.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Except that it is in New York and you never see anyone coming out of them, nor out in the streets. More likely anyone inside was crushed to death-we just don't SEE them. But implied death is still pretty grim and grusome.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Just had a random thought about a moment in season 3, its not really violent but it would've seemed really gruesome out of context.

Remember the epsiode "Michelangelo's Birthday"?. In that, Shredder tricks the turtles into believing that he turned Michelangelo into a steaming hot pile of goo. Of course, we know that wasn't the case but if a kid turned on the tv after Mikey was shown escaping, they would've been devastated.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Even the threat/act of trying it would be pretty morbid. It was Batman/Bond-villain level violence for sure. "Will he escape? Find out next week- same turtle-time, same turtle-channel!"

[Utrommaniac]

"I can see their parachutes! They're okay."

[FredWolfLeonardo]

"I can see their parachutes! They're okay."

Too bad its Sunday, those buildings would've been full tomorrow.

[oldmanwinters]

"I can see their parachutes! They're okay."

Too bad its Sunday, those buildings would've been full tomorrow.

No doubt.

It would have been a tragedy for all those souls to travel over into another dimension simultaneously.

[Prowler]

The Technodrome ran over a few buildings in the Season 3 finale.
...what abotu that episode where Donatello turns int oa giant and fights a gorilla? How many buildings do they even destroy?! Donatello himself even said "they must have wasted the entire budget on this episode". The damage they made to NYC was equivalent to that of a massive earthquake. They must have killed a lot of people.

Just had a random thought about a moment in season 3, its not really violent but it would've seemed really gruesome out of context.

Remember the epsiode "Michelangelo's Birthday"?. In that, Shredder tricks the turtles into believing that he turned Michelangelo into a steaming hot pile of goo. Of course, we know that wasn't the case but if a kid turned on the tv after Mikey was shown escaping, they would've been devastated.

More violent than that was sitting through that entire episode. Holy hell was that episode bad.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

More violent than that was sitting through that entire episode. Holy hell was that episode bad.

Funny you say that, since that is one of my favourite episodes which I have revised countless times :lol:

It has lots of funny moments, and the cheap animation makes it even funnier.

[CyberCubed]

The eps with that rubbery looking animation always amused me. I don't prefer the show looking like that, but that kind of animation style had a weird charm to it. It's hard to describe really.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Extraterrestrial plant killed by Leonardo in "It Came from Beneath the Sewers".

Extraterrestrial monster killed offscreen in "Splinter No More".

[CyberCubed]

There's one ep in the European Vacation eps where the Rock Soldiers just smash to the ground and blow up as if they're robots like Foot Soldiers, rather than alien rock beings. I guess whoever wrote that episode didn't know the Rock Soldiers weren't robots. :lol:

[pferreira]

It has lots of funny moments, and the cheap animation makes it even funnier.

The eps with that rubbery looking animation always amused me. I don't prefer the show looking like that, but that kind of animation style had a weird charm to it. It's hard to describe really.I wonder if it was AKOM although they're only credited for two episodes I believe. What do you think guys?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

There's one ep in the European Vacation eps where the Rock Soldiers just smash to the ground and blow up as if they're robots like Foot Soldiers, rather than alien rock beings. I guess whoever wrote that episode didn't know the Rock Soldiers weren't robots. :lol:

MACC blasted rock soldiers into pieces with his laser-rays in "Attack of the Big MACC".

[oldmanwinters]

MACC blasted rock soldiers into pieces with his laser-rays in "Attack of the Big MACC".

Big MACC didn't mess around when it pulled out the blasters!

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

There's one ep in the European Vacation eps where the Rock Soldiers just smash to the ground and blow up as if they're robots like Foot Soldiers, rather than alien rock beings. I guess whoever wrote that episode didn't know the Rock Soldiers weren't robots. :lol:

Was that "Ring of Fire" or "The Lost Queen of Atlantis"?

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, the show was full of some rather would-have-been-gruesome deaths had the heroes not saved the day in the nick of time. One episode was threatening to basically boil April and Irma alive in a giant vat of melted wax, leaving them as creepy wax statues.

Then we have Krang threatening to throw Splinter off a building. He had no problem 'making the rat go splat'.

Shredder didn't give a damn about letting April fall to her death of a building under contruction. Baxter was willing to leave the Turtles to be crunched to bits within the giant gears inside a clock tower.

I mean as incompetent and goofy as OT Shredder was, he was willing to douse Mike with acid and just joke about it as he's be screaming violently as it would have reduced him to goo. That one was probably the sickest one of the entire series.

[miru]

The fight with human ninja enemies in red sky.

[Prowler]

The fight with human ninja enemies in red sky.

I don't remember that one being particularly violent.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The Technodrome ran over a few buildings in the Season 3 finale.

A Technorover also rolled over cars in the "Big Zipp Attack". But as I said, people escaped.

[neatoman]

uncountable noun
Violence is behaviour which is intended to hurt, injure, or kill people.
Twenty people were killed in the violence.
They threaten them with violence.
...domestic violence between husband and wife.
Synonyms: brutality, bloodshed, savagery, fighting

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/violence

... Yeah, seriously doubt there was a lot of this in the show...

[FredWolfLeonardo]

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/violence

... Yeah, seriously doubt there was a lot of this in the show...

If violence is defined as behaviour intended to hurt, shouldn't every one of Shredder and Krang's schemes be considered violent? They usually never go through with it, but the intention to kill the turtles and take over the world is always there.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

A Technorover also rolled over cars in the "Big Zipp Attack". But as I said, people escaped.

Funny thing is, in a lot of those scenes, we never see anyone running away. So either they were crushed before they could, or New York is full of empty cars. Having seen the city, I doubt the latter is true.....

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Funny thing is, in a lot of those scenes, we never see anyone running away. So either they were crushed before they could, or New York is full of empty cars. Having seen the city, I doubt the latter is true.....

Logically, people will die when the buildings and cars of New York are crushed flat but it just couldn't be shown in the 80s series. Same with Beserko, we are told Krang committed genocide on his entire race but that can't be shown, not even through flashbacks.

In the Nick series however, when 80s Krang appears for the second time in his enlarged body, he is shown firing at civilians without mercy, and is shown to enjoy it. He even shoots April unconscious.

I never quite got why the villains in the 80s series were portrayed as not wanting to destroy the multiverse in Turtles Forever when thats precisely what they did in their own show.

[Utrommaniac]

"Alright, they're robots!"
*Brutally hacks them apart*

Got some bloodlust to get out there, Leonardo?

[CyberCubed]

In the Season 7 finale Rocksteady/Bebop almost shoot the Channel 6 news crew off the building. They destroy the glass window behind them and were shooting the flaw to make them back up and fall off the 10 story building.

[sdp]

No one mentioned Baxter Stockman?

Dude was legit sent to get killed off by Krang and we get to see it happen, sure he somehow merged with a fly instead but that's not what they were planning to have happen with that.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

No one mentioned Baxter Stockman?

Dude was legit sent to get killed off by Krang and we get to see it happen, sure he somehow merged with a fly instead but that's not what they were planning to have happen with that.

One of the most shocking moments in the Original Toon, especially considering it happened in the 2nd half of season 2, when the episodes were otherwise episodic and no major changes were happening.

[oldmanwinters]

No one mentioned Baxter Stockman?

Dude was legit sent to get killed off by Krang and we get to see it happen, sure he somehow merged with a fly instead but that's not what they were planning to have happen with that.

It came up in the 5th post. :tcool:

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

One of the most shocking moments in the Original Toon, especially considering it happened in the 2nd half of season 2, when the episodes were otherwise episodic and no major changes were happening.

Season 3 was the major start for episodic stories.

[Utrommaniac]

I wouldn't necessarily place this as a "violent" moment, but most certainly as a surprisingly "inappropriate" moment early on. That being the beginning of the Eye of Sarnoth saga, wherein Donatello exclaims "I've been...de-daisy'd!"

Because that's not uncomfortably close to "deflowered" at all :teek:

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I wouldn't necessarily place this as a "violent" moment, but most certainly as a surprisingly "inappropriate" moment early on. That being the beginning of the Eye of Sarnoth saga, wherein Donatello exclaims "I've been...de-daisy'd!"

Because that's not uncomfortably close to "deflowered" at all :teek:

Wasn't it Raphael who said that? I haven't seen the episode in months but i cant picture anyone but him saying that.

There was even a season 3 episode where Raphael told a store clerk that he's being crappy to his customers. Was that even acceptable in kids shows during the late 80s/90s?

[Coola Yagami]

Wasn't it Raphael who said that? I haven't seen the episode in months but i cant picture anyone but him saying that.

There was even a season 3 episode where Raphael told a store clerk that he's being crappy to his customers. Was that even acceptable in kids shows during the late 80s/90s?

Crabby. As in grouchy. Only the Simpsons used words like crap back then.

[CyberCubed]

Sometimes due to the voice acting or quick shots, some things characters say can be misheard. For example we know Shredder says, "Those blasted Turtles!" in a lot of episodes. But I swear in some eps it sounds like he says, "Those bastard Turtles!" if you're not paying close attention. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

Kinda reaching. I never once thought 'wtf did he just swear' while watching the show. Even back then, I knew Leatherhead said 'possum pusses' in that one episode which made that one AVGN joke seem so forced, especially when they kept replaying the clip and it was clear he wasn't calling the turtles pussies. Pretty sure everyone at school woulda been talking about that the next day after that episode first aired.

[ABrown]

Speaking of things that characters said, Rocksteady and Bebop referred to April as a "bimbo" several times.

[cammy85]

Something that always stuck with me from the OT was in the Season 6 episode "Too Hot To Handle". Usually in the mad scientist episodes, there's no combat unless it's with a robot or henchmen. When Sopho is trying to get away, Leonardo throws a fire extinguisher and trips him, knocking him unconscious on the hard ground (underground lair, after all), shouting "Leaving so soon, Professor Sopho?? Where's the fire??" I know something similar was done to Bebop and Rocksteady in their last appearance, but at least they were the strong, violent type.

[Coola Yagami]

Speaking of things that characters said, Rocksteady and Bebop referred to April as a "bimbo" several times.

True but bimbo isn't a swear word. It mostly means an airhead ditz, the typical blonde stereotype but applied to any woman.

[leader in blue]

there's a couple of incidents i can think of

Irma in her were rat fourm bites Michelangelo even though it's off screen he yelps in pain (rodents bite hard too)
were rats from channel 6

Donatello getting electrocuted in Night of the Dark Turtle

Donatello being shot at and having a wall of a building collapsing on him in The Maltese Hamster

Leonardo almost beheading a guy he mistook as shredder in beneath these streets

Shredder hitting Leonardo so hard that it sends him flying and knocks him out
Tower of Power

[CyberCubed]

There's lots of episodes with explosions or bombs that would have surely killed everyone if the Turtles or whoever else didn't make it out in time.

It's funny, 80's cartoons weren't allowed to be too violent because censors for kids cartoons back then was tough, but they wrote around it and still put in death related scenarios even if all the heroes made it out unscathed.

[pferreira]

No one mentioned Baxter Stockman?

Dude was legit sent to get killed off by Krang and we get to see it happen, sure he somehow merged with a fly instead but that's not what they were planning to have happen with that.Baxter tied the Turtles to the gears of a clock tower in Son of Return of the Fly II. That was pretty sick.

Yeah, seriously doubt there was a lot of this in the show...I think there was a fair bit considering the posts. ;)

It's funny, 80's cartoons weren't allowed to be too violent because censors for kids cartoons back then was tough, but they wrote around it and still put in death related scenarios even if all the heroes made it out unscathed.Well you'll notice the syndicated episodes were allowed to have more threat and violence to them than the CBS ones. The violence was toned down for a while for CBS and only in the later half went back to normal.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

There was a season 7 episode where Raphael punches a weak mad scientist after he asks whether Raph would hurt a guy with glasses.

I can't remember the episode, but thats some pretty savage violence.

[Prowler]

There was a season 7 episode where Raphael punches a weak mad scientist after he asks whether Raph would hurt a guy with glasses.

I can't remember the episode, but thats some pretty savage violence.

Not sure, but my guess would be Combat Land? That's the only season 7 episode I remember where the main villain(s) was/were mad scientists.

Also, someone mentioned how the mad scientists episodes seem to have the least action overall or something. Well that is also one of the reasons why I didn't care for lots of those mad scientist episodes. It's obvious they were inferior to the Turtles, not being able to handle them in hand-to-hand combat. It was very hard for me to buy the Turtles being almost defeated by some wax making guy and a goddamn toy maker. Hell, the wax collector made fools out of the Turtles like 3 times in the same episode. Even Raphael said it "3 times in the same episode...". This is why the Turtles should only fight guys who can actually fight or other mutants and aliens with guns, etc.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Wasn't that Mr. Nice Guy?

[Prowler]

Wasn't that Mr. Nice Guy?

Wait, maybe you're right. But FWL mentioned season 7 and I'm positive Mr. Niie Guy was not a season 7 episode but either S5 or S6.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Wait, maybe you're right. But FWL mentioned season 7 and I'm positive Mr. Niie Guy was not a season 7 episode but either S5 or S6.

Just checked, that specific moment indeed happened at the beginning of "Combat Land".

[Sage Ninja]

Usagi yojimbo in his first appearance, when he battles the footsoldiers. He cuts them up into bits, then picks up one of the robot parts and is perplexed at what they are before Donatello tells him the footsoldiers aren't real people but machines. Just think about that, he didn't know they weren't real, he thought they were people and he still brutally murdered them all. Usagi yojimbo didn't screw around.

[leader in blue]

Speaking of combat land there's a moment where Michelangelo and Leonardo defeat their robot clones u actually see Michelangelo destroy his clone but with Leonardo u know how in kids shows when a scene is too violent they keep it in the shadows that's what they do here which is weird cause we've seen the turtles slice and dice any other robot I guess the reason why they went with the shadow play here is cause it's basically like stabbing Leonardo although I'm not sure

https://i.imgur.com/OflxATt.gif

[pferreira]

Speaking of combat land there's a moment where Michelangelo and Leonardo defeat their robot clones u actually see Michelangelo destroy his clone but with Leonardo u know how in kids shows when a scene is too violent they keep it in the shadows that's what they do here which is weird cause we've seen the turtles slice and dice any other robot I guess the reason why they went with the shadow play here is cause it's basically like stabbing Leonardo although I'm not sureI can guess the reason. The network and producers were probably worried that even though kids know they're robot clones the idea of slicing up robots that are animated just like the heroes would not sit well with kids.

[Raang]

Everyone inside probably managed to evacuate. Almost a rule in a children's series.

That was ONLY when specifically stated (by a character or a sign saying it's set for demolition). Otherwise, when left vague... :)