Avengers 4

[TigerClaw]

There is no thread for the 4th Avengers movie, which is currently filming, so I thought I make an official one here, eventually we will learn the actual title of it, If you guys find any news regarding Avengers 4, set photos, videos from the filming, please post them here.

Since Disney is on the verge of acquiring 21st Century Fox, and owning the Fantastic Four, X-Men and Deadpool franchises, there's a rumor going around, that Hugh Jackman might play Wolverine for one last time in Avengers 4, my theory is, he will show up in a post credit scene, so take this with a grain of salt.
https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/hugh-jackman-rumored-return-wolverine-avengers-4

[Andrew NDB]

There is no thread for the 4th Avengers movie, which is currently filming, so I thought I make an official one here, eventually we will learn the actual title of it, If you guys find any news regarding Avengers 4, set photos, videos from the filming, please post them here.

Since Disney is on the verge of acquiring 21st Century Fox, and owning the Fantastic Four, X-Men and Deadpool franchises, there's a rumor going around, that Hugh Jackman might play Wolverine for one last time in Avengers 4, my theory is, he will show up in a post credit scene, so take this with a grain of salt.
https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/hugh-jackman-rumored-return-wolverine-avengers-4

Zero chance of Jackman or any of the cast of the Fox movies showing up.

[TigerClaw]

Zero chance of Jackman or any of the cast of the Fox movies showing up.
I can see the potential for Hugh Jackman to show up in a post credit scene, Avengers 4 is currently filming, so a lot can change, there is also a rumor that the Baxter Building from Fantastic Four, and the X-Mansion from X-Men will make an appearance in it also.

[Andrew NDB]

I can see the potential for Hugh Jackman to show up in a post credit scene, Avengers 4 is currently filming, so a lot can change, there is also a rumor that the Baxter Building from Fantastic Four, and the X-Mansion from X-Men will make an appearance in it also.

Calling bulls** on those FAKE rumors. 0 chance of Jackman or any of that. They want Fox-Men actors and that continuity like they had even the slightest inclination to use Andrew Garfield. In other words... they don't.

[NinjaPug]

Seriously these rumors are complete BS and that article is the epitome of clickbait. Use some common sense.

[TigerClaw]

Seriously these rumors are complete BS and that article is the epitome of clickbait. Use some common sense.
I don't know, cause the source came from Ain't It Cool News.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/79072

[Redeemer]

Calling bulls** on those FAKE rumors. 0 chance of Jackman or any of that. They want Fox-Men actors and that continuity like they had even the slightest inclination to use Andrew Garfield. In other words... they don't.

Sony chose not to bring Andrew Garfield back, not Marvel. Sony was already rebooting Spider-man when Marvel came along. Come on man get ur facts right :P joking of course

[NinjaPug]

I don't know, cause the source came from Ain't It Cool News.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/79072

Haha. 1) A report on AICN means nothing these days. Is Harry still pretending to be his sister to write for the site after the sexual allegations against him?

2) That article doesn't even say that's the plan. Just that they could do that if they wanted to.

[TigerClaw]

Looks like Avengers 4 will end filming early 2019, that's plenty of time to incorporate anything Fantastic Four, and X-Men related into it.
http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/12/10/avengers-4-wraps-filming-january-sebastian-stan/

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like Avengers 4 will end filming early 2019, that's plenty of time to incorporate anything Fantastic Four, and X-Men related into it.
http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/12/10/avengers-4-wraps-filming-january-sebastian-stan/

Jesus, their principal photography for Avengers 4 is a year and a quarter?? It's been filming for months already.

[Mayhem]

I guess it depends on how many locations, how many characters, how many scenes, and how many filming units there are.

[TigerClaw]

I guess it depends on how many locations, how many characters, how many scenes, and how many filming units there are.
It gives them plenty of time to update on the script, to add the X-Men and Fantastic Four into it.

[NinjaPug]

Looks like Avengers 4 will end filming early 2019, that's plenty of time to incorporate anything Fantastic Four, and X-Men related into it.
http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/12/10/avengers-4-wraps-filming-january-sebastian-stan/

Stop.

Jesus, their principal photography for Avengers 4 is a year and a quarter?? It's been filming for months already

The clickbait article is wrong. It ends next month, Jan 2018, not in 2019.

[TigerClaw]

Stop.
No I will not stop, I really believe it's going to happen, whether you like it or not.

[ProphetofGanja]

It gives them plenty of time to update on the script, to add the X-Men and Fantastic Four into it.

It really doesn't. Beyond throwing in a few subtle references to people or places, that's far too little time to do anything good with. The thing with Sony and Spider-Man was a one-time deal; they're not going to always be able to throw in newly acquired characters at the drop of a hat, and I wouldn't want them to. Rushing the job is not in their best interest.

[NinjaPug]

There is more of a chance that Disney cancels the release of the Dark Phoenix movie entirely (assuming the deal gets closed in time) than there is that the X-Men show up in Avengers 4.

Filming for A4 ends in a month. Plus they aren't going make big changes for what is the culmination of 20 movies.

[TigerClaw]

There is more of a chance that Disney cancels the release of the Dark Phoenix movie entirely (assuming the deal gets closed in time) than there is that the X-Men show up in Avengers 4.

Filming for A4 ends in a month. Plus they aren't going make big changes for what is the culmination of 20 movies.
I doubt that, those movies will still be released, but anything after Deadpool 2, X-Men: Dark Phoenix and New Mutants will probably be under Disney, they are supposed to make a Gambit movie as well, but with Disney, maybe they can try to incorporate Gambit into the MCU?

[NinjaPug]

I doubt that, those movies will still be released, but anything after Deadpool 2, X-Men: Dark Phoenix and New Mutants will probably be under Disney, they are supposed to make a Gambit movie as well, but with Disney, maybe they can try to incorporate Gambit into the MCU?

I only said Dark Phoenix and only if the deal closes in time. Why exactly do you doubt that?

There is an article in the Wall Street Journal this morning that said Disney is planning to scale back the Fox movie studio considerably (this is why I don't want the deal to go through at all). It also pointed out that there are two franchises Disney is excited about - Avatar and X-Men. If they have big plans for X-Men then they are going to wipe the slate clean asap. It's easier to reboot a franchise if the last movie people saw was in 2016 and not late 2018.

If you're buying Fox for $65-$70 billion getting a return of maybe $100 million (generous estimate) from releasing Dark Phoenix in theaters means nothing. I'm sure their analysts believe it would be more financially beneficial in the long run to cut their ties now and reboot. They may think rebooting immediately after Dark Phoenix could be detrimental to the future success of their incarnation of the X-Men.

Again, I'm only saying I think it's more likely that Dark Phoenix isn't released in theaters than it is that the X-Men pop up in Avengers 4.

[sdp]

How far along is Dark Phoenix? I would think that movie would still come out as it's meant to, remember that deals are made with many companies years in advance when it comes to different distribution rights, you can't just come in and change everything.

Disney will definitely reboot X-Men, that continuity is too convoluted and not their vision not to mention the most important part, they don't own it. The fact that the continuity has been going on for so long and done pretty much most things you could ask of it people wouldn't even complain that these would be rebooted.

Them adding something at the last minute in reference to the X-Men franchise? Non-Wolverine Jackman cameo? I can totally see something like that. Mostly harmless fun.



This deal happening is horrible for movie fans, internet nerds really need to take an Economics 101 class to understand what's going to happen with less competition.

[TigerClaw]

How far along is Dark Phoenix? I would think that movie would still come out as it's meant to, remember that deals are made with many companies years in advance when it comes to different distribution rights, you can't just come in and change everything.

Disney will definitely reboot X-Men, that continuity is too convoluted and not their vision not to mention the most important part, they don't own it. The fact that the continuity has been going on for so long and done pretty much most things you could ask of it people wouldn't even complain that these would be rebooted.

Them adding something at the last minute in reference to the X-Men franchise? Non-Wolverine Jackman cameo? I can totally see something like that. Mostly harmless fun.



This deal happening is horrible for movie fans, internet nerds really need to take an Economics 101 class to understand what's going to happen with less competition.
With Phase 4 of the MCU being Cosmic, they can do some of the Cosmic X-Men stuff, like the Starjammers, I could totally see the Guardians clashing with the Starjammers.

[CyberCubed]

Dark Phoenix has to be almost done filming, it comes out next year and it was all over the last Entertainment Weekly. There's no way they're canceling it.

It will probably be the last X-men movie in this continuity though unless Disney just decides to continue with it for whatever reason.

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like Avengers 4 will end filming early 2019, that's plenty of time to incorporate anything Fantastic Four, and X-Men related into it.
http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/12/10/avengers-4-wraps-filming-january-sebastian-stan/

Dark Phoenix has to be almost done filming, it comes out next year and it was all over the last Entertainment Weekly. There's no way they're canceling it.

It will probably be the last X-men movie in this continuity though

No sh*t. It will be the "Amazing Spider-Man 2" of the Fox-Men.

[ProactiveMan]

It's definitely got a Justice League problem. Dark Phoenix may-or-may-not be a good movie, but there is so much ill-will surrounding the whole thing that people will probably avoid it.

I suspect that it will be the motion picture equivalent of a 12 car pileup, but I don't think it matters anymore.

[Andrew NDB]

Here's an off-the-cuff thought. "Dark Phoenix" is still a little ways off. Everyone knows the writing is on the wall about the Disney acquisition and what that entails.

Is it too late for "Dark Phoenix" to have something in its ending/third act to kind of "end" that universe, dovetail its ending into some kind of hard drive format/entrance into MCU? It could be like what "Flashpoint" was to the New 52... a gateway to a new universe (the MCU).

[ProphetofGanja]

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[Coola Yagami]

I guess most of you are forgetting that Hugh is getting tol old to play Wolverine. No way he's gonna play him for another set of MCU movies. It's getting harder for him to get into Wolverine shape.

Plus Deadpool 2 is still part of the FOX-Men universe. It lives on.

[Andrew NDB]

So it's called "Avengers: Endgame." Apparently.

https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/avengers-endgame-title

Not a super exciting title. I thought it would be the name of some other comic story.

[DWC]

So it's called "Avengers: Endgame." Apparently.

https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/avengers-endgame-title

Not a super exciting title. I thought it would be the name of some other comic story.

I reckon that's BS.

[NinjaPug]

That site is a joke.

What title isn't going to feel like a letdown at this point? The title has been overhyped by the creators like it's some huge spoiler. It's clearly not. They should've just kept the Part 1 & 2 monikers.

[DWC]

That site is a joke.

What title isn't going to feel like a letdown at this point? The title has been overhyped by the creators like it's some huge spoiler. It's clearly not. They should've just kept the Part 1 & 2 monikers.

Agree. It's a sequel so should just be called Infinity War Part 2.

[Andrew NDB]

Could be "Secret Wars"... as in no one will know it ever takes place when the events of it and Infinity War are largely undone.

[MikeandRaph87]

Could be "Secret Wars"... as in no one will know it ever takes place when the events of it and Infinity War are largely undone.

I could see that happening. It would make sense as I don't know how else The Secret Wars maxi-series would fit into the MCU.

How were the causalities choosen to turn to dust? Are we supposed to see the six from the first Avengers come together to save the day?

Will anyone's end be stuck with? Perhaps a certain Guardian and certain trickster god?

[newfan]

I could see that happening. It would make sense as I don't know how else The Secret Wars maxi-series would fit into the MCU.

How were the causalities choosen to turn to dust? Are we supposed to see the six from the first Avengers come together to save the day?

Will anyone's end be stuck with? Perhaps a certain Guardian and certain trickster god?

I looked on IMDB to see who is in the next one on IMDB (though I this can be inaccurate early on)

I have to put this in a Spoiler as I'm talking specific deaths. Spiderman is not listed for the next movie but he has an upcoming movie so we know he's ok, though I don't think anyone expected that death to stick. Some of those who vanished are back and some are not, Strange isn't listed for the Movie, nor Loki but his death was different. Anyway, whatever happens to change things could mean all those who vanished come back ? they just not have bigger parts in this movie?

[Andrew NDB]

I looked on IMDB to see who is in the next one on IMDB (though I this can be inaccurate early on)

I have to put this in a Spoiler as I'm talking specific deaths. Spiderman is not listed for the next movie but he has an upcoming movie so we know he's ok, though I don't think anyone expected that death to stick. Some of those who vanished are back and some are not, Strange isn't listed for the Movie, nor Loki but his death was different. Anyway, whatever happens to change things could mean all those who vanished come back ? they just not have bigger parts in this movie?

No reason to even look at IMDB. For anything. I could go and add myself as playing Magneto in it right now if I wanted to.

[newfan]

No reason to even look at IMDB. For anything. I could go and add myself as playing Magneto in it right now if I wanted to.

:lol: Yeah I remember the Tang Shen finale plot for 2012. I look in the hope that someone who knows something has updated but take it with a pinch of salt.

Well..just going on upcoming movies then, anything else is anyone's guess. Also, wondering who will make it through this one.

[Coola Yagami]

I could see that happening. It would make sense as I don't know how else The Secret Wars maxi-series would fit into the MCU.

How were the causalities choosen to turn to dust? Are we supposed to see the six from the first Avengers come together to save the day?

Will anyone's end be stuck with? Perhaps a certain Guardian and certain trickster god?

Obviously the remaining heroes (possibly Hawkeye, Ant-Man and Wasp too) led by Captain Marvel.

[ProphetofGanja]

Could be "Secret Wars"... as in no one will know it ever takes place when the events of it and Infinity War are largely undone.

Ya know I've been thinking, even if they do adapt the Secret Wars storyline for the movies (either one, actually) it would be better for Marvel if they went with the subtitle of "Battleworld" (ie. Avengers: Battleworld), to avoid having too many movies with a title that's (blank) + War(s)

Obviously the remaining heroes (possibly Hawkeye, Ant-Man and Wasp too) led by Captain Marvel.

Yeah, that's the leading theory. Pretty much everyone who survived or wasn't in the first one will take the lead in the second one to reverse Thanos' grand act of destruction.

I do think Loki's and Vision's deaths might stick though, maybe even Gamora's

[plastroncafe]

I do think Loki's and Vision's deaths might stick though, maybe even Gamora's

That last one I'm not so sure about. There are just too many characters who'd go and give up their own souls to replace hers.
Up to, and including, her father and sister.

[TigerClaw]

I think characters who died before the snap of the finger will probably be permanent. characters who just turn into ashes can be brought back. The only way to bring back characters that were killed in the beginning. They would have to use the time stone and completely reverse time.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Which isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility. Strange already used it that way once before. He knows how to use it, and has the power/strength to control it. Just ask Dormammu what it can do.....

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'd like to get Gamora back, but I think it'd be more compelling not to get her back.

Everyone else that wasn't ashed needs to stay dead. Unless a Vision/Scarlet Witch movie is in the works... at this point, Wanda's kind of lacking in supporting characters. Dead brother, redacted father, and now a dead lover.

[ProphetofGanja]

I actually think it might be possible that Vision could be restored through non-magical means, if Shuri was able to download his consciousness to a Wakandan hard drive before Corvus Glaive interrupted her work on Vision, so in A4 they can just make a new (albeit likely less good) body for him. Honestly whether or not they decide to bring back the Vision probably depends on Paul Bettany's desire/willingness to sign on for more movies and Marvel Studios' longterm story plans

And I agree about Gamora's death, that one has a large likelihood of being reversed. At this point we know that some members of the Guardians of the Galaxy's roster are going to be cycled out but we have no idea who yet. I think Nebula is the most likely one to try and sacrifice themself to switch places with Gamora's soul

Even with Loki's death, we've seen him pull shenanigans before and fake his own death, so we can't be entirely sure that he's gone, and at one point Thor almost longingly wishes that Loki was just tricking him again, but deep down he really knows that Loki's gone, and I think we the audience can assume that too because Marvel needs to make way for new villains at some point and the end of the first three phases of films is as good a time as any and Tom Hiddleston has been playing Loki for a while now, so I think Loki''s death is probably gonna stick

[Mayhem]

The person responsible for reversing Thanos' actions in the comics has only been teased in the films so far, so unless they are going to introduce that person in the second half... it may fall to Captain Marvel to be that person instead.

But you could be correct, we haven't seen Hawkeye and Antman (they were name checked by Natalia as being under house arrest, but we know they are probably in hiding somewhere) so they may well appear in part two.

Also, how are Stark and Nebula getting off Titan? Maybe Nebula can jury rig one of the crashed ships, she is mostly technology herself, and Stark knows a thing or two heh... I'm guessing he may not re-use the new Ironman suit immediately.

You can probably see it... CM turns up...

"So, you're telling me that you've been gone since before the first invasion of Earth, and Fury didn't tell any of us about you? The sly dog!"

"What do you mean... FIRST invasion of Earth?!"

"Ah, kid, you've got a bit of catching up to do..."

[ProphetofGanja]

Okay so if you've seen Avengers: Infinity War and you love the MCU as much as me than you've probably been hypothesizing what exactly will happen in Avengers 4.

Here's a handy recap of the plot of Infinity War from Wikipedia to refresh your memory (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers:_Infinity_War#Plot)

Now, here's some interesting news regarding potential plot leaks for the still untitled Avengers 4

Avengers 4 Leaks Get Support From A 2-Year-Old Interview With Marvel Directors (https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5aeb3dcde4b041fd2d242a37)

Warning! Not even the Avengers can save you from the possible spoilers below for Infinity War and Avengers 4.

If you’re still reeling from the end of Avengers: Infinity War, take solace in the fact that you’re not alone in your misery. You, like everyone else, still have to wait a year for the second half of the story, which will take place in the Russo brothers’ upcoming, still-untitled Avengers movie.

Or do you?

An interesting idea popped up in the Marvel spoilers subreddit this month, after user ilurkthingsreborn claimed to have access to an inside source with intelligence on the upcoming movie.

Specifically, intel on the fate of Captain America and the weapon he’s hinted at wielding for some time.

Now, stay with us here, because in the world of leaks things can get complicated quickly. A bit of background information:

An account with the name ilurkthings existed prior to the ilurkthingsreborn version, and it leaked accurate plot points about Infinity War weeks before the movie’s release, apparently revealing details about the post-credits scene and Spider-Man’s death in Iron Man’s arms. That account has since been deleted, but you can still see remnants of it when Redditors refer to ilurkthings leaks.

This new account, ilurkthingsreborn, is allegedly the same person(s) using the same Marvel source(s). Subreddit moderators have allowed this May 1 post to remain in the forum for more than a week; they’ve given no indication that ilurkthingsreborn isn’t the same leaker as before.

Now to the post. It contains a lot of disparate details.

The plot of Avengers 4 will revolve around the Avengers who survived Thanos’ deadly finger snap in Infinity War going back in time, possibly to retrieve the Infinity Stones (using a Tony Stark-made Infinity Gauntlet) to prevent Thanos from ever procuring them. Hulk will also apparently use the Stark Gauntlet and lose his arm in the process.

It sounds like a bunch of really riveting fan fiction until you get to one particular piece of information that could validate the whole thing. It pertains to a fight scene involving Captain America, Thor and Thanos:

I was told that at one point bearded Steve and Thor have a fight scene against Thanos where Thor gets blown away and Cap actually ends up weilding Mjolnir because he has finally been found worthy. However I was told that Thanos does end up killing Cap.

OK, setting Cap’s possible death aside (fans were predicting he’d kick the bucket in Infinity War, and that didn’t happen), this “leak,” if true, could provide an answer to a long-standing question in the Marvel Cinematic Universe: Yes, Cap is worthy of Thor’s hammer, Mjolnir.

At first, the Reddit detail about the hammer seemed questionable for a few reasons. Primarily because Thor’s sister Hela shattered his hammer in Thor: Ragnarök (2017), causing the God of Thunder to wield a new weapon in Infinity War dubbed Stormbreaker. Getting the new weapon is a significant part of Thor’s storyline. So why would Mjolnir come back into play in the proceeding movie? This requires an explanation, right?

Then I remembered an interview I had with the directors of Infinity War and the upcoming Avengers 4 film, Joe and Anthony Russo, following the release of Captain America: Civil War (2016) two years ago. During that interview, I asked them about Cap and Mjolnir.

It’s important to know that in the MCU, only characters who are “worthy” can pick up Thor’s hammer. No one knows exactly what “worthy” means. But if you’re not worthy, then stop. There’s no hammer time. But in Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015), Captain America attempts to lift Mjolnir, and it moves ever so slightly in the process. He doesn’t succeed in picking it up, but Thor is effectively spooked by Cap’s abilities.

It seemed relevant enough a budge to ask the Russos, since I had the opportunity, whether Cap was actually worthy and just let go too soon. Their cagey responses had my spidey reporter senses tingling, even back then.

“I don’t know that might be a ...” Anthony Russo said, considering his words, “that might be a question for future storytellers.”

“Might be a little too specific for us to answer,” Joe Russo said.

A question for “future storytellers”? Might be “too specific for us to answer”?

The Russo brothers directed Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) and Captain America: Civil War (2016) for Marvel. If anyone knew about Cap’s worthiness at the time, it was them. I didn’t end up including the Mjolnir/Cap quotes in my story two years ago, but why were they being so coy?

Could it be that Cap holding Thor’s hammer was a spoiler for one of the Russos’ two then-yet-to-be-released Avengers movies? (Mjolnir didn’t appear in Infinity War, so that leaves Avengers 4 on the table.)

Maybe, but in order for that to be so, Avengers 4 would need to involve some sort of time travel, which, coincidentally, is the exact rumor that’s been going around.

Leaked set photos support the theory that we’re going to see the surviving Avengers revisit iconic scenes from the previous movies. The pics show Ant-Man and Captain America at the battle of New York, which occurred in 2012′s Avengers: Assemble and did not originally feature Ant-Man.

Thor’s hammer was definitely present at the battle. So if the characters do indeed fly back in time, a Thanos-vs.-Thor-and-Cap battle scene, in which Cap finally gets his hand on Mjolnir, is possible. (The thing is, ilurkthingsreborn also claimed Thanos eventually kills Cap with the hammer, adding a whole other, devastating layer to things. Is Thanos’ cause―destroying half the life in the universe―worthy, too? Uh, I hope not.)

Of course, time travel has its problems. The Infinity Stones play a role in several different Marvel films, so a change in the stones’ timeline could potentially alter the plots of the other MCU movies that already exist, like Guardians of the Galaxy.

As an alternative to straight-up time traveling, some fans have suggested the Avengers could journey into the past using alternate realities connected to the Quantum Realm, a concept we first learned about in Ant-Man. This is another dimension where space and time are irrelevant, which you access through magical energy―or by turning subatomic, like Ant-Man does.

The Quantum Realm would explain why Ant-Man and the Wasp and Captain Marvel, both movies that supposedly use the realm in some capacity, are set to come out before Avengers 4. They might establish more ground rules for the final Avengers installment.

Heavier use of this other realm could also explain why Sebastian Stan (who plays Bucky Barnes) has talked about acting in a scene with Michelle Pfeiffer in the MCU. (The actress is set to play Janet Van Dyne in Ant-Man and the Wasp, a character thought to be lost forever in the Quantum Realm. And Bucky, aka the Winter Soldier, turned to ash in Infinity War.)

Some reality altering has to happen here.

On a recent episode of the Happy Sad Confused podcast, the Russo brothers told host Josh Horowitz that the upcoming Avengers movie is mostly filmed but could change a lot in editing. So, who knows what we’ll actually see in the end! But these leaks could be somewhat of a road map for those hoping not to turn to ash before the next movie comes out.

Here are a few other theories on the fate of Avengers 4:

Ant-Man secretly becomes part of all the Marvel movies

Was Ant-Man secretly in the previous Avengers movies, just miniaturized and pulling strings in the background?

Well, according to the supposedly leaked photos, he was/will be?

An Avenger will sacrifice another

If part of the new movie revolves around retrieving the Infinity Stones before Thanos does, an Avenger will have to obtain the Soul Stone. And in order to do that, they’ll have to kill someone they love. So far, the internet is betting Iron Man will sacrifice Captain America.

Do they actually love each other right now, though?

It seems more likely, to me at least, that Black Widow will have to sacrifice Hulk (or vice versa) and that’s the reason the movies have focused on their potential romance so much. (Ilurkthingsreborn suggested Iron Man will sacrifice Pepper Potts, but that seems a little too dark.)

An Avenger will wield the Infinity Gauntlet

The leaks said it’ll be Hulk, but I’d put my money on Captain America. In an interview with Infinity War writers Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely, they said the goal for Infinity War is to put Cap, a former sickly, scrawny kid, in the most unbelievable situation imaginable.

What would be more unbelievable than that same kid, all grown up, using a gauntlet that’s powerful enough to destroy half the universe?

That or using a weapon in place of the God of Thunder. Either choice sounds pretty worthy.



If the plot of A4 is at all similar to the leaks then I think it'll be pretty f#cking good. What do you people think?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

This is interesting, and it sort of ties into a duscussion I had with Mr D a few days ago. The Infinity War and Thanos getting the gauntlet are all Jane Foster's fault. She was the one who found the Aether and allowed Malekith, (and therefore Thanos) to get their hands on it. Without it (aka the Reality stone), he would never have been able to accomplish his goal. In fact, had she not found it in that rift, it would have remained safely shut away and forgotten, inaccessible to anyone. So we can blame the loss of half the MCU on her. Also, Strange could have EASILY hidden the Eye of Agamotto (aka Time stone) somewhere in time to keep it away from Thanos. But he didn't. Another tactical error on the part of the Avengers and everyone else. (But mostly, Jane. She was meddling with things she shouldn't have.....)

[ProphetofGanja]

Eh, I don't really see how it's fair to blame Jane for having dealings with one of the Infinity Stones when there were five other in play, all changing hands at various points in time (for the most part). By that logic Gamora and Nebula should share equal blame for finding the Soul Stone and allowing Thanos to learn of its whereabouts.

Also, we have to assume that Dr. Strange giving the Time Stone to Thanos is part of the plan, as it was part of the only timeline he found where the combined might of the Avengers, the Guardians of the Galaxy, and the Sorcerer Supreme was enough to defeat Thanos. Like he said, it's all part of the endgame.

[Cure]

Jane didn't know the stakes. Starlord did, however, when he had his hissy fit. He's way more to blame.

[Andrew NDB]

Vision/Scarlet Witch movie is in the works... at this point, Wanda's kind of lacking in supporting characters. Dead brother, redacted father, and now a dead lover.

I bet her dad becomes un-redacted soon enough.

[MikeandRaph87]

Jane didn't know the stakes. Starlord did, however, when he had his hissy fit. He's way more to blame.

Agreed. They nearly had Thanos three times. Star Lord ruined his own plan. However, how does Thanos feel anything for Gamora? He hates and murders her? The soul stone works if he loves the person he kills. Plot hole!

So War Machine and Nebula survive with the original movie Avengers. Ant-Man,Wasp, Hawkeye, and Captain Marvel did not appear. Why Spider-Man though? He is everyone's favorite! *sigh*

Also, I don't see every Marvel movie so I have to ask who was that random tribal guy who was killed and got Thor upset, sent Hulk to Dr. Strange somehow?

[Andrew NDB]

Agreed. They nearly had Thanos three times. Star Lord ruined his own plan. However, how does Thanos feel anything for Gamora? He hates and murders her? The soul stone works if he loves the person he kills. Plot hole!

So War Machine and Nebula survive with the original movie Avengers. Ant-Man,Wasp, Hawkeye, and Captain Marvel did not appear. Why Spider-Man though? He is everyone's favorite! *sigh*

Also, I don't see every Marvel movie so I have to ask who was that random tribal guy who was killed and got Thor upset, sent Hulk to Dr. Strange somehow?

Most of this post doesn't make any sense.

[ProphetofGanja]

Agreed. They nearly had Thanos three times. Star Lord ruined his own plan. However, how does Thanos feel anything for Gamora? He hates and murders her? The soul stone works if he loves the person he kills. Plot hole!

Well, that was the whole point of the scenes featuring young Gamora and Thanos; he truly came to care for her after raising her after having half of her people slaughtered. However misguided he is, he is still capable of feeling emotions like love. He didn't hate her at all, he simply felt that it was worth it to kill her and take control of the Soul Stone rather than (in his mind) let the universe run amok and destroy itself.

Also, I don't see every Marvel movie so I have to ask who was that random tribal guy who was killed and got Thor upset, sent Hulk to Dr. Strange somehow?

"random tribal guy"? Do you mean Heimdall, played by Idris Elba?

https://i1.wp.com/68.media.tumblr.com/21f82da3d7d786cb0089f9432a2cf497/tumblr_ouuf0w7P0K1snteogo1_1280.png?zoom=1.25&w=605

You should probably go read the Wikipedia entries for the Thor films

Most of this post doesn't make any sense.

Yeah I don't get it man

[CyberCubed]

Agreed. They nearly had Thanos three times. Star Lord ruined his own plan. However, how does Thanos feel anything for Gamora? He hates and murders her? The soul stone works if he loves the person he kills. Plot hole!

So War Machine and Nebula survive with the original movie Avengers. Ant-Man,Wasp, Hawkeye, and Captain Marvel did not appear. Why Spider-Man though? He is everyone's favorite! *sigh*

Also, I don't see every Marvel movie so I have to ask who was that random tribal guy who was killed and got Thor upset, sent Hulk to Dr. Strange somehow?

It would probably help if you've seen most of the movies. It sounds like you observe what's happening by what random people say online over sitting down to watch something, which is probably why you're confused as to what's going on.

Thanos loved Gamora, they show us that in the film, at least in his own way. And we know the deaths aren't permanent for obvious reasons and the fact that Spiderman 2, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Doctor Strange 2, and Black Panther 2 are all in the pipeline.

[Andrew NDB]

Doctor Strange 2

Doctor Strange 2 has NOT been announced yet.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Eh, I don't really see how it's fair to blame Jane for having dealings with one of the Infinity Stones when there were five other in play, all changing hands at various points in time (for the most part). By that logic Gamora and Nebula should share equal blame for finding the Soul Stone and allowing Thanos to learn of its whereabouts.

Also, we have to assume that Dr. Strange giving the Time Stone to Thanos is part of the plan, as it was part of the only timeline he found where the combined might of the Avengers, the Guardians of the Galaxy, and the Sorcerer Supreme was enough to defeat Thanos. Like he said, it's all part of the endgame.

Jane didn't know the stakes. Starlord did, however, when he had his hissy fit. He's way more to blame.


The POINT was that the reality stone would have remained inaccessable AT ALL had she not accidentally brought it back out with her and thus brought it into play. Otherwise, no one would have ever even known how/where to find it. And that IS the ONE stone that allows someone to alter reality in the first place. It just needs the power of the others to do it on a cosmic scale rather than local.

[MikeandRaph87]

It would probably help if you've seen most of the movies. It sounds like you observe what's happening by what random people say online over sitting down to watch something, which is probably why you're confused as to what's going on.

Thanos loved Gamora, they show us that in the film, at least in his own way. And we know the deaths aren't permanent for obvious reasons and the fact that Spiderman 2, Guardians of the Galaxy 3, Doctor Strange 2, and Black Panther 2 are all in the pipeline.

That is true. I don't feel compelled to see every single movie, just the one's that interest me. I am DC Comics and Spider-Man as far as interest goes. So I have seen all Spider-Man films, Captain America 2: The Winter Soldier, Captain America 3: Civil War, both Guardians of the Galaxy films, and all the Avengers films. I miss out on characters who are not primary supporting characters like the love interest or who the villain of each film is. I also had to ask who the woman working on Vision was. Those were the only two I was lost on. I suppose that is understandable.

As fir the confusion over Thanos actually loving Gamora like a daughter, it is as Gamora said something that makes little sense giving that his plan of genocide makes him show no emotion. I guess its just hard to believe he would feel anything for her. Its easy to see him kill her,but love her? Its not that my post does not make much sense, its just I cannot understand a character like that actually feeling paternal love.

[Andrew NDB]

As fir the confusion over Thanos actually loving Gamora like a daughter, it is as Gamora said something that makes little sense giving that his plan of genocide makes him show no emotion. I guess its just hard to believe he would feel anything for her. Its easy to see him kill her,but love her? Its not that my post does not make much sense, its just I cannot understand a character like that actually feeling paternal love.

"giving his plan of genocide makes him show no emotion."

I give up.

[ProphetofGanja]

Jane didn't know the stakes. Starlord did, however, when he had his hissy fit. He's way more to blame.

Exactly. If we'really pointing fingers at people, Thor should get some of the blame too for not aiming for the head when he attacked Thanos with Stormbreaker

I bet her dad becomes un-redacted soon enough.

Eh, I feel like in this continuity her dad is irrelevant. All of her powers come from experimentation with an Infinity Stone, not an inherent genetic mutation. Retroactively revealing that her dad is Magneto, I just can't see that working in the MCU.

[Andrew NDB]

Eh, I feel like in this continuity her dad is irrelevant. All of her powers come from experimentation with an Infinity Stone, not an inherent genetic mutation. Retroactively revealing that her dad is Magneto, I just can't see that working in the MCU.

Yeah, that's a good point. Although that was done with the idea that Marvel would never, ever reacquire the X-Men. With that back on the table, it'd be a simple thing to retcon... if they were so inclined.

[ProphetofGanja]

Avengers 4 Ending Rumor Reveals Fate of the Original Avengers?

Now that Avengers 3 has hit theaters, fans are eagerly awaiting the last three movies that will make up Phase Three of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Ant-Man and the Wasp on July 6, Captain Marvel on March 8, 2019 and Avengers 4 on May 3, 2019. While it remains to be seen when we'll get our first look at Avengers 4, a new rumor has surfaced, with a Reddit user noticing that a post on 4chan gives away the rumored Avengers 4 ending. The Reddit user admitted he would have normally written this off, "but the fact that it got taken down so quickly is suspicious." While these details below have not yet been confirmed, they do represent potential SPOILERS, so please read on at your own risk. Here's the rumored ending to Avengers 4, which ties into a device seen in previous Avengers 4 set photos.

"The device seen in leaked set photos allows the user to harness the power of the Infinity Stones. After defeating Thanos, each original Avenger is left with an Infinity Stone and a choice. Cap uses the Time Stone, returning to Peggy and living out his life with her. Thor uses the Soul Stone, returning his brother from the dead, they rebuild Asgard on Earth. Bruce uses the Mind Stone, and separates himself from the Hulk. They say their farewell and exchange a heartwarming hug. Ant-Man, who refuses the Reality Stone, selflessly gives it to Wanda, who uses it as a new power source for Vision. Finally Tony is left with the Power Stone, vowing not to weaponize something so powerful, he destroys it and snorts the remains."

The Reddit user claims, "the last part is probably a joke," but also notes how this rumor makes no mention of two original Avengers, Hawkeye (Jeremy Renner) and Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson), nor the Space Stone. The Reddit user posits that it's possible Hawkeye dies in the movie and Black Widow uses the Space Stone to go on an adventure with Bucky Barnes/White Wolf (Sebastian Stan). It's also possible that perhaps the Space Stone was used in some way to defeat Thanos (Josh Brolin), rendering it broken or useless. If this is true, there would be more than two Avengers that survive, but intriguingly, only two that could remain as active Avengers, Tony Stark (Robert Downey Jr.) and Black Widow. Here's a segment from the post by Reddit user "JadedCüntsicle," offering this person's interpretation of the rumor.

"This would be consistent with the "only two Avengers survive" rumour if we use the "only two Avengers stay active" interpretation. Cap and Hulk would be out of commission, Thor would be busy ruling, and presumably Hawkeye would re-retire (if he survives). Which would leave Tony (new SHIELD director?) and BW."

This rumor doesn't shed any light on whether or not any of the heroes who were disintegrated at the end of Avengers: Infinity War will be resurrected at all, but that is one of the more popular rumors and theories surfacing after Avengers: Infinity War was released in theaters. You can head over to Reddit to see how others have responded to this theory.

[Andrew NDB]

Some promo art:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/De7FDqDW4AIBGeD.jpg

https://i2.wp.com/heroisx.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Vingadores-4-Thanos-arte-conceitual-Avengers-4-concept-art.jpg?resize=640%2C1136&ssl=1

Doesn't really tell us much aside from... we know what Hawkeye looks like now, and Hulk wears a funny suit. Also, Thanos needs a melee weapon?

[Vegita-San]

I don't get the mele weapon need.

Or the suit need.

I hope they explain where hawkeye was during the last movie.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Wasp? Where's Wasp? Hope?

Oh snap. :tsad:

[Andrew NDB]

I don't get the mele weapon need.

Or the suit need.

The suit makes sense. He's got the gauntlet and no longer needs to get physical or grapple with anybody, so he's free to prance around all regal and whatnot... which is the same reason the melee weapon doesn't make any sense.

I hope they explain where hawkeye was during the last movie.

They already explained that in the last movie. He's doing his family stuff, not wanting to get shipped back to The Raft since he's on the run after "Civil War."

Doubtlessly his wife or kid will go "POOF!" from Thanos which will galvanize him.

Wasp? Where's Wasp? Hope?

Oh snap. :tsad:

Literally.

[Autbot_Benz]

Wasp? Where's Wasp? Hope?

Oh snap. :tsad:

wasp is in Avengers 4 just a small role from what evangeline lilly said

"I will appear in Avengers 4. Not very much, so don't get your hopes up. Not going to be a ton. But I'm in there! And I'm proud to be in there, and I'm stoked to be in there."

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2306302/how-much-of-the-wasp-to-expect-in-avengers-4

[Andrew NDB]

wasp is in Avengers 4 just a small role from what evangeline lilly said

"I will appear in Avengers 4. Not very much, so don't get your hopes up. Not going to be a ton. But I'm in there! And I'm proud to be in there, and I'm stoked to be in there."

Now we know why -- she only shows up at the end when everyone is restored.

[Vegita-San]

Clarification - HULK suit. my bad.
how does the suit make sense?

If he shrinks, it'll be too big. if he grows..... it'd have to be one of those super saiyan expanding armor suits.

I must have missed the red arrow mention the first time. i'm assuming it's mentioned in the meeting with the government officials?

[ProphetofGanja]

how does the suit make sense?

If he shrinks, it'll be too big. if he grows..... it'd have to be one of those super saiyan expanding armor suits.

I must have missed the red arrow mention the first time. i'm assuming it's mentioned in the meeting with the government officials?

Dude what are you even talking about?

[Andrew NDB]

Clarification - HULK suit. my bad.
how does the suit make sense?

Oh. I'm assuming whatever Bruce was wearing at the time of becoming the Hulk in this is stretchy. Or maybe its got tech in it that augments Hulk somehow.

I must have missed the red arrow mention the first time. i'm assuming it's mentioned in the meeting with the government officials?

?

https://www.n3rdabl3.com/wp-content/images/uploads/2013/05/red-arrow.jpg

[Vegita-San]

ugh...too many characters. I keep on calling hawk eye red arrow for some reason, so I don't confuse him with green arrow and...ugh. it's rained too much the past few days. don't midn me :)

[Andrew NDB]

Oh, now I understand. It's the same spot as where Ant-Man is mentioned. I think it was... Black Widow telling the others?

[ProphetofGanja]

So this alleged leak seems to support the theory that the line that separates Bruce Banner and the Hulk will begin to blur, the two distinct halves becoming one cohesive whole, "Professor Hulk". I mean, maybe the other allied heroes would consider it worthwhile to outfit the mindless berserker Hulk with armor/tech but it makes waaay more sense if he has the presence of mind to actually use it.

Also, I can't wait to see more interactions between Rocket and, like, everyone

[raph27]

Dang. I'm guessing Disney is not happy about this, assuming that this spoils a big twist at the end of Ant-Man and the Wasp.

Speculation that might turn out to be AatW spoiler:
Guessing now that the movie will start out relatively soon after Civil War, and go up until the events of IW, maybe with some "relative time" mojo in the Quantum Realm. Wasp dusting will be the very end of the movie, maybe even a post-credits scene.

As far as the actual art...it's not super interesting to be honest?
Surprised Tony has the same suit, though he could build another one at the end of the film. Gotta sell more action figures and vinyl whatevers. Rhodey definitely has a new, bulkier suit though.

Confirmation that Captain Marvel won't stay in the green and black suit seen in the set photos, though that was predicted by everyone.

Hawkeye looks the same as he did in Civil War.

Cap shaved his beard, apparently? The star is also back on his chest. Maybe Tony lets him be an Avenger again.

The Hulk suit looks sort of odd. I'll have to see how that plays out.

[Autbot_Benz]

So this alleged leak seems to support the theory that the line that separates Bruce Banner and the Hulk will begin to blur, the two distinct halves becoming one cohesive whole, "Professor Hulk". I mean, maybe the other allied heroes would consider it worthwhile to outfit the mindless berserker Hulk with armor/tech but it makes waaay more sense if he has the presence of mind to actually use it.

Also, I can't wait to see more interactions between Rocket and, like, everyone

ya I originally read an article that Hulk and Rocket were supposed to become best buds in Infinity War but that got scrapped when they changed the hulk parts and made him Bruce the whole movie.

[Utrommaniac]

There probably will be plenty of room for them to develop a friendship. Especially since Rocket has basically just lost his entire team (and isn't even aware that it's the entire team, for the moment, he just thinks he's lost Groot twice now.)

Poor "rabbit" is really going to need some friends whether he likes it or not :P .



Also, whatever happened to the rest of the Asgardians if Thanos killed half of them? That situation as a whole sucks on a big, big level.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Pretty sure he killed ALL of them when he blew up the ship.

[ProphetofGanja]

Pretty sure he killed ALL of them when he blew up the ship.

It's been stated that he let half of the Asgardian refugees leave in escape pods

[Autbot_Benz]

It's been stated that he let half of the Asgardian refugees leave in escape pods

ya including Korg Miek and Valykrie

[Utrommaniac]

Yeah, I would think one of Thor's biggest priorities would be finding the rest of them and bringing them to safety.

[ProphetofGanja]

Also, whatever happened to the rest of the Asgardians if Thanos killed half of them? That situation as a whole sucks on a big, big level.

Now that's a more interesting question, and it also applies to the other planets/civilizations Thanos visited before gathering all the Infinity Stones: do their already-reduced populations get halved again or are they spared from Thanos' snap?

ya including Korg Miek and Valykrie

Long Live the Revengers!

[Mayhem]

ya including Korg Miek and Valykrie
And we still don't know where Lady Sif is either...

[MsMarvelDuckie]

He let some go? I don't remember that bit, but yeah, it kind of makes you wonder what happened to them. Did they all survive the "snap", or did he just go full a$$hat and half them again?

[plastroncafe]

My take on the opening scene is that what we're seeing is the aftermath of the diversion so that the others could escape. That's why we're missing half the heavy hitters, because they were helping the Asgardian Civilians escape the carnage.

My hope is that we'll see what's left of them post-snap in the next movie.
Maybe they'll run into Captain Marvel, who might also meet up and do a drive by of Xandar.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I really wish we had seen more of the actual Nova Corps. Maybe even- *gasp* Nova!

[raph27]

And we still don't know where Lady Sif is either...

Sif died in the Snappening. Confirmed by the Russos.

[ProphetofGanja]

Yup yup. I think the only MCU characters whose alive-or-dead status is still unknown after The Snap® are Shuri, Ned, Jane Foster, Korg, Miek, and Nakia, because revealing their fates would be "too spoilery", according to the Russos

[Andrew NDB]

http://www.highlander-community.com/a4.jpg

There was a lot of talk earlier about the title of "Avengers 4" (which obviously won't be called that when the dust settles). Also a lot of FAKE news about it being called "Avengers: Endgame."

My mind goes to one interview with Kevin Feige. When he said the subtitle of Avengers 4 would "blow people's minds," that it would be preserved until... a good amount of time has passed after Infinity War.

Now, let's think about this. Feige isn't a dummy. And he's wired into all parties. He knows about the Fox acquisition, even at that point. He would know it was almost a 200% certainty to happen (even the articles surrounding this past Friday's final shareholder vote indicated it was known by all to be "a sure thing"). And he had some idea of when this would happen (read: at least a little amount of time before Avengers 4 would debut). Basically, he knew the acquisition of X-Men and Fantastic 4 was a given as soon as Fox threw it out there and Disney went all "We're getting you!"

Is it possible, possibly even likely, that the title of Avengers 4 will have very much to do with current events?

[Autbot_Benz]

http://www.highlander-community.com/a4.jpg

There was a lot of talk earlier about the title of "Avengers 4" (which obviously won't be called that when the dust settles). Also a lot of FAKE news about it being called "Avengers: Endgame."

My mind goes to one interview with Kevin Feige. When he said the subtitle of Avengers 4 would "blow people's minds," that it would be preserved until... a good amount of time has passed after Infinity War.

Now, let's think about this. Feige isn't a dummy. And he's wired into all parties. He knows about the Fox acquisition, even at that point. He would know it was almost a 200% certainty to happen (even the articles surrounding this past Friday's final shareholder vote indicated it was known by all to be "a sure thing"). And he had some idea of when this would happen (read: at least a little amount of time before Avengers 4 would debut). Basically, he knew the acquisition of X-Men and Fantastic 4 was a given as soon as Fox threw it out there and Disney went all "We're getting you!"

Is it possible, possibly even likely, that the title of Avengers 4 will have very much to do with current events?

The FF 4 haven't been in a movie since 2015 shitfest Fan4stic. I think they should be able to use them

[Sumac]

Maybe they should use someone less lame?
Fantastic Four, while, maybe groundbreaking back in the day, nowadays looks really lame and I am not sure, what exactly needed to make them work on the big screen. Maybe they can introduce Doctor Doom or Galactus.

[ProphetofGanja]

Tinfoil hat time...

Avengers 4 Theory: It's Not Time Travel, It's Memories (https://screenrant-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/screenrant.com/avengers-4-theory-time-travel-memories/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fscreenrant.com%2Favengers-4-theory-time-travel-memories%2F)

Concept art for Ant-Man & the Wasp has raised an exciting new possibility: that next year's Avengers 4's time travel isn't about simply jumping backward, but that Earth's Mightiest Heroes will be tapping into memories through the Quantum Realm.

It's generally accepted that Avengers 4 will be a time-travel film of some sort. Set photos have shown many of the heroes suited up in classic costumes, harking back to 2012's The Avengers: Chris Hemsworth was seen sporting his flowing golden locks; Chris Evans was spotted wearing that "old-fashioned" costume. One set of images even showed Loki in chains being led away for his imprisonment in Asgard. Most curious of all, one batch of set photos showed Ant-Man standing next to Captain America, Iron Man and the Hulk during what was clearly the Battle of New York; three years before Scott Lang started using Pym Particles.

The accepted theory is that the Quantum Realm will be the key to time travel. This mysterious dimension is one where the normal rules of time and space do not apply, meaning it could, in theory, be used to rewrite history itself. The Quantum Realm is a key part of Ant-Man & the Wasp, and is confirmed to appear in next year's Captain Marvel as well.

ANT-MAN & THE WASP ALMOST HAD MEMORY-BASED TIME TRAVEL

The Art of Ant-Man & the Wasp includes an entire section devoted to the Quantum Realm, revealing the concepts and ideas Marvel toyed with during pre-production of the film. It seems Marvel considered creating an entire ecosystem inside the Quantum Realm, with a literal food chain. Even more incredibly, Janet's Quantum Realm costume was designed to hint that she'd encountered an alien civilization who live inside the Quantum Realm. It all sounds very similar to the comic book idea of the Microverses, dimensions that can only be accessed by shrinking beyond a subatomic level and contain all manner of races and creatures.

Explaining why Janet has aged while living in the Quantum Realm, Kevin Feige pointed out that there are "various levels" to this reality; Janet, for example, asks to be rescued from "the Wastelands beyond the Void." The idea seems to be that the deeper you go into the Quantum Realm, the more the laws of reality–laws like time and gravity–cease to apply. Janet has aged because she's stayed on the borders, never going too deep into the Quantum Realm. The Art of Ant-Man & the Wasp reveals that Marvel toyed with revealing a so-called "Nexus," presumably at the heart of the Quantum Realm, where you can rewrite history.

The book includes a series of images from Marvel's concept artist Jackson Sze featuring a shrunken Hank Pym walking through a spectral reality, approaching a vast column of light. When he steps into the column, there's a flare as reality itself is reconstructed around him. And then, astoundingly, Hank finds himself stepping into a surreal representation of his own memories. As Sze explained:

"Early on, there was almost a Nexus inside the Quantum Realm that they wanted to explore, which was a quantum memory palace. I think they were discussing ideas about how Hank might actually be able to go into his own memories and change history. My ideas for the memory palace was, 'What would be the most important, most striking memory that he has?' And that would be when he loses Janet to the Quantum Realm when they were on that rocket for that one mission. That is his most scarring memory. And so his memory has been made up of that kind of imagery, but in a surreal state, so the panel of the rocket that Janet flew into is basically just repeated over and over–he's just zooming through this, reliving that mission flying through the sky."

This concept didn't make it into the finished film (although memories were a key aspect of Ant-Man 2's plot, with Janet communicating with Scott via her past), but the idea of a memory-based form of time travel was considered at the concept stage. Considering how the Quantum Realm in the finished film has links to time travel (and given that Marvel often save ideas for later movies), this could be the key to what's going on in Avengers 4.

DO THE AVENGERS TIME TRAVEL THROUGH THEIR MEMORIES?

This idea is vaguely reminiscent to one toyed with by C.S. Lewis in his unfinished novel, The Dark Tower. This is a science-fantasy story in which a group of scientists are toying with the idea of time travel. They conclude physically traveling through time is impossible; the atoms you'd need in order to reconstitute your physical form are already in use. Lewis's story suggests that the consciousness can travel in time, though; in fact, he proposes that the memory itself is a form of time travel, with the human mind literally reliving the past. The phenomenon known as déjà vu may thus be caused by the human mind having glimpsed the future too, presumably while in a dream. Lewis, of course, went one step further; he suggested other dreams tap into alternate dimensions and parallel realities. All this may sound like science-fiction, but it's become a respected scientific theory, with Endel Tuving coining the term "chronesthesia" to describe this mental time travel.

It's possible the idea of chronesthesia has already been subtly woven into the fabric of the MCU. In the aftermath of The Avengers, Tony Stark's experience flying through the wormhole left his mind reeling. It's possible the experience transformed his mind a little, granting him a concrete awareness of the future. That would explain why Stark became so confident another alien attack was coming; though he couldn't explain it, his mind had already experienced it. Later, in Avengers: Age of Ultron Scarlet Witch uses her powers to cast visions into the minds of the Avengers. These could again be examples of chronesthesia, glimpses of alternate realities and possible futures, rendered cryptic and confusing because they were only half-perceived and originated from someone just learning to use their powers.

According to The Art of Ant-Man & the Wasp, then, when a human enters this Nexus they would gain access to their memories–and thus can rewrite history. Presumably this is done by projecting their consciousness back into the memory they're glimpsing; their past self would perhaps encounter their future self, or else experience a chronesthetic moment in which they had a sudden awareness of their personal future. How this would transfer physically–see Ant-Man in the events of The Avengers–is unclear, but the Quantum Realm is abstract enough to allow it; the time travel may be physical, but powered by the memories (this would explain why the OG Avengers survived).

Curiously enough, the set photos do actually support this model of mental time travel. All the set photos from Avengers 4 have been scenes that the surviving heroes would remember, and indeed that would be key to them; most are around the events of the Battle of New York. While future versions of Ant-Man and Tony Stark have indeed appeared in these scenes set in the past, these two characters have literally only been seen standing around talking. It's possible the focus is on Stark, with Ant-Man serving as a guide through the Quantum Realm. The future Stark would thus interact with his past self, giving advice and guidance about the impending threat of Thanos. Each time he interacts with the past, of course, the Avengers would rewrite history. It would be a matter of changing enough elements to ensure the "snap" didn't happen, leading to a fresh confrontation with Thanos the Mad Titan.

It's true that this theory is entirely based on concept art and that Ant-Man & the Wasp doesn't experiment with the idea of time travel at all; this mysterious and exciting "Nexus" never appears in the film. But the art does tell us that, at some point, Marvel Studios was toying with this kind of approach. As a result, it can't be ruled out.

Most viewers assume Avengers 4 is a time travel story, and for good reason. But Marvel Studios seem determined to be as secretive as possible. In fact, co-writer Christopher Markus has insisted that the movie "doesn’t do what you think it does. It is a different movie than you think it is." Perhaps the reason is that we're focusing on the wrong models of time travel. Marvel may have taken a far more interesting, and less commonly used, approach instead.

[sdp]

F4 aren't any lamer than the average Marvel hero, if they can make Captain America or Thor work who had always been less marketable they can make the Fantastic Four work. Read some good F4 comics and you'll see how they can work.

I do think it'll be tough when they've had two origin movies in the past 15 years like Spider-Man so introducing them to the MCU will have to be something like Spider-Man where even if it has been done incorrectly in the past they can't just re-tell their origins. They'll have the same problem with X-Men, I mean their stories have already been told recently, including most iconic ones.

[AT-Man]

I'm very much more into memory based time travel than "actual" time travel that's just lazy and sucks.

[Andrew NDB]

It's called "The Last Avenger." Maybe.

https://screenrant.com/avengers-4-title-mark-ruffalo-last-avenger-jimmy-fallon/

[raph27]

It's called "The Last Avenger." Maybe.

https://screenrant.com/avengers-4-title-mark-ruffalo-last-avenger-jimmy-fallon/

To steal your favorite buzzword, pretty sure this is FAKE news. Disney has this stuff locked down to well now to let this slip, they've even started to stage Holland "leaking" stuff like the Far From Home title. And would that be a subtitle or just the title itself? Avengers: The Last Avenger doesn't really have a ring to it, as well as being too similar to a recent controversial Star Wars film.

I've heard some talk that he didn't mean that as an actual title, and just as a joke knowing it would get bleeped. You know, not "The Last Avenger" but "the last Avenger" as in the last of these movies with this whole cast before it all changes up.

[neatoman]

It's called "The Last Avenger." Maybe.

https://screenrant.com/avengers-4-title-mark-ruffalo-last-avenger-jimmy-fallon/

"Avengers: The Last Avenger"? If that's the case it's a really bad title. What's next? "X-Men: The New X-men"?

[AquaParade]

Whether or not that is the title, I do like the idea of them getting away from "Avengers: ______"

[Redeemer]

"Avengers: The Last Avenger"? If that's the case it's a really bad title. What's next? "X-Men: The New X-men"?

:lol: I guess I am the only one who would love that title :lol:

[MikeandRaph87]

:lol: I guess I am the only one who would love that title :lol:

Obiviously its a promotion ploy playing off Ruffalo's mistake. However, Avengers 4: Avenged does sound better.

[Andrew NDB]

I like "The Last Avenger" aside from it immediately making me think of "The Last Jedi."

[neatoman]

if "The Last Avenger" is the full title, rather than something like "Avengers 4 Infinity War part II: The Last Avenger", it might work. It's just going to be awkward when they inevitably make Avengers 5, because what would that be? "Avengers 5: From now on we're the Ultimates"?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I like "The Last Avenger" aside from it immediately making me think of "The Last Jedi."

That and who exactly is the singular "last Avenger?" You ask me, the title doesn't make sense.

And yeah, they should probably distance themselves from "Last Jedi" comparisons. "Return of the Avengers" would be better. :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

if "The Last Avenger" is the full title, rather than something like "Avengers 4 Infinity War part II: The Last Avenger", it might work. It's just going to be awkward when they inevitably make Avengers 5, because what would that be? "Avengers 5: From now on we're the Ultimates"?

Well, they did say there's a script for "Dark Avengers" being fast-tracked.

That and who exactly is the singular "last Avenger?" You ask me, the title doesn't make sense.

And yeah, they should probably distance themselves from "Last Jedi" comparisons. "Return of the Avengers" would be better. :tlol:

"Avengers: Reassembled"?

None of the titles I've seen are too exciting. "Endgame"? "Annihilation"? These are names you'd put on a fanfiction or something. The Russos said that when we hear the subtitle, our brains will explode (or something to that effect), and that's none of those titles so far.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well, they did say there's a script for "Dark Avengers" being fast-tracked.

"Avengers: Reassembled"?

None of the titles I've seen are too exciting. "Endgame"? "Annihilation"? These are names you'd put on a fanfiction or something. The Russos said that when we hear the subtitle, our brains will explode (or something to that effect), and that's none of those titles so far.

Not sure how I feel about that Dark Avengers idea...

Yeah... personally, I think the title that avoids "cheesy fanfic" would be Infinity {Something}, to tie it together to the previous movement. Infinity Crusade, maybe. Dunno.

[AquaParade]

If I had to take my pick from the heavily rumored titles, I'd choose "Avengers Forever".

I know it's based on a specific comic and Batman got to it first, but it makes for an epic title, befitting of a sendoff.
I always thought "Batman Forever" sounded fantastic btw.

[raph27]

If all the stuff about Chris leaving is true, I wouldn't mind "Avengers: End of the Line". Too wordy I suppose.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

If I had to take my pick from the heavily rumored titles, I'd choose "Avengers Forever".

I know it's based on a specific comic and Batman got to it first, but it makes for an epic title, befitting of a sendoff.
I always thought "Batman Forever" sounded fantastic btw.

The title was indeed the best part of that movie. :tlol: And it would sound pretty great!

If all the stuff about Chris leaving is true, I wouldn't mind "Avengers: End of the Line". Too wordy I suppose.

Too wordy, but also damn good. :tcool:

[MikeandRaph87]

if "The Last Avenger" is the full title, rather than something like "Avengers 4 Infinity War part II: The Last Avenger", it might work. It's just going to be awkward when they inevitably make Avengers 5, because what would that be? "Avengers 5: From now on we're the Ultimates"?

Indiana Jones film franchise is the best example. The intended third and final film titled The Last Crusade held true for 19 years. Yet after Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was released a new subtitle was never given even though Hollywood money changed the intention.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Well, if Civil War was "sort of" like Avengers: Disassembled, then either Dark Avengers or Avengers: Reassembled could be possible. I would take either one. Or maybe Secret Invasion? New Avengers? There are several possibilities available.

[Andrew NDB]

Indiana Jones film franchise is the best example. The intended third and final film titled The Last Crusade held true for 19 years.

What, you thought "The Last Crusade" is referring to Indiana Jones' adventures in general? That's dumb.

[Leo656]

It was easy enough for an 8-year old to believe. It had a certain air of finality to it; plus they stopped making movies for a while.

Eventually I realized that's not what it meant but as a child that was my initial impression.

[MikeandRaph87]

What, you thought "The Last Crusade" is referring to Indiana Jones' adventures in general? That's dumb.

I am referring to the movie makers Speilberg and Lucas giving it such a title not what I myself may think it is or not.

[Andrew NDB]

So Avengers 4 will take place 5 years later. Probably. It looks like more than that, given those set photos of Tony's nearly white hair during that apparently time-travel trip back to the events of Avengers 1.

So that cinches it. People won't get un-dusted. The surviving Avengers will simply time travel back and just stop Thanos before he does any dusting. Seems like a copout to me.

I wonder how this ties into Captain Marvel, though. Nick Fury sent that distress call to her right as the dusting happened. Does it take her 5 years to respond to it or something?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/avengers/avengers_4/avengers-4-more-evidence-mounts-that-the-movie-will-feature-a-significant-time-jump-a163996

[Redeemer]

So Avengers 4 will take place 5 years later. Probably. It looks like more than that, given those set photos of Tony's nearly white hair during that apparently time-travel trip back to the events of Avengers 1.

So that cinches it. People won't get un-dusted. The surviving Avengers will simply time travel back and just stop Thanos before he does any dusting. Seems like a copout to me.

I wonder how this ties into Captain Marvel, though. Nick Fury sent that distress call to her right as the dusting happened. Does it take her 5 years to respond to it or something?

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/avengers/avengers_4/avengers-4-more-evidence-mounts-that-the-movie-will-feature-a-significant-time-jump-a163996

Might want to post spoilers next time Andrew. I was reading possible titles and now I see this :lol: I should have known better since this is a discussion topic, but give us aheads up :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Might want to post spoilers next time Andrew. I was reading possible titles and now I see this :lol: I should have known better since this is a discussion topic, but give us aheads up :lol:

Hypothetical spoilers. We have no idea, really. And that tweet could be FAKE.

[Redeemer]

Hypothetical spoilers. We have no idea, really. And that tweet could be FAKE.

Oh I gotcha, good point :lol:

[neatoman]

Well, they did say there's a script for "Dark Avengers" being fast-tracked.


Dark Avengers? Why not the Thunderbolts?

[AquaParade]

I don't know how I'm going to wrap my head around Far From Home if they end up reversing five years by the end of Avengers 4.

It might be too much mental weight for me. I'm weak.

[Andrew NDB]

If I had to speculate... Avengers 4 picks up 5 years after Infinity War. The surviving Avengers and Captain Marvel lead a last ditch effort to take out Thanos and probably even win, but it's bittersweet because half the people are still dead. Like, they Thanos him but blow up the Gauntlet or something, too. They meet up with Ant-Man, who finally frees himself from the Quantum Realm. A plan is hatched to go back in time and give their younger selves the tools to stop Thanos during his attack. A lot of revisiting the Avengers' greatest hits as they plant various seeds in different old movies to where when Thanos shows up in Wakanda, it plays out differently and he loses. Somewhere along the line the 5 year older Avengers sacrifice themselves and remove themselves from the equation. Old Tony dies, Young Tony retires in the end.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

If I had to speculate... Avengers 4 picks up 5 years after Infinity War. The surviving Avengers and Captain Marvel lead a last ditch effort to take out Thanos and probably even win, but it's bittersweet because half the people are still dead. Like, they Thanos him but blow up the Gauntlet or something, too. They meet up with Ant-Man, who finally frees himself from the Quantum Realm. A plan is hatched to go back in time and give their younger selves the tools to stop Thanos during his attack. A lot of revisiting the Avengers' greatest hits as they plant various seeds in different old movies to where when Thanos shows up in Wakanda, it plays out differently and he loses. Somewhere along the line the 5 year older Avengers sacrifice themselves and remove themselves from the equation. Old Tony dies, Young Tony retires in the end.

I'd be good with that.

[ProphetofGanja]

hA6hldpSTF8

I knew that'd be the title

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

hA6hldpSTF8

I knew that'd be the title

Last time I saw so much rampant speculation for a sequel's title was waiting for The Dark Knight Rises. :tlol:

[TigerClaw]

hA6hldpSTF8

I knew that'd be the title
It was a good Teaser. It didn't show much. As for the title itself. Its interesting that we heard word Endgame mention twice. The first time we heard it was in Age of Ultron.

[ProphetofGanja]

It was a good Teaser. It didn't show much. As for the title itself. Its interesting that we heard word Endgame mention twice. The first time we heard it was in Age of Ultron.

Yeah, it was pretty good as far as initial trailers go. I'm super f#cking stoked for the movie, somehow even more so than I already was. I expected to see more obvious signs of a time-jump but everything shown was pretty subtle.

I do like that "endgame" was said in Infinity War, it just feels neat IMO (cue that scene from Family Guy where Peter pokes fun at movies/shows that say their own title in the world itself). The Russos definitely lied and said that all the titles that had been guessed were incorrect when Avengers: Endgame was proposed but whatever, I don't blame them for trying to maintain the element of surprise (although the title really doesn't seem spoilery to me, like at all). In my opinion, "Endgame" is a better title than "Infinity War", mainly just because it's fewer syllables.

Last time I saw so much rampant speculation for a sequel's title was waiting for The Dark Knight Rises. :tlol:

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten all about that. I do remember them building hype with a viral marketing campaign for the film; "the fire rises" and all that jazz

[XERO]

Really pumped for this. Finally, they got a "teaser" trailer right and didn't show much. Haha, It's like the smallest footage might contain the biggest spoiler nowadays for a MCU film.

[Andrew NDB]

When I first watched this today, I swore Tony was talking to the head of Ultron. I guess not. I'm assuming that's his mask from after the Thanos fight? i.e., we can infer he Tony Starks together some stuff on Titan to get offworld and back to Earth?

[Mayhem]

When I first watched this today, I swore Tony was talking to the head of Ultron. I guess not. I'm assuming that's his mask from after the Thanos fight? i.e., we can infer he Tony Starks together some stuff on Titan to get offworld and back to Earth?
Looks like the Guardians new ship to me, the one they got during part 2.

[AquaParade]

When I first watched this today, I swore Tony was talking to the head of Ultron. I guess not. I'm assuming that's his mask from after the Thanos fight? i.e., we can infer he Tony Starks together some stuff on Titan to get offworld and back to Earth?

It’s annoyingy trying to wrap my head around how that nanotech suit ends up as just a helmet.

[AT-Man]

Really pumped for this. Finally, they got a "teaser" trailer right and didn't show much. Haha, It's like the smallest footage might contain the biggest spoiler nowadays for a MCU film.

The best thing is they showed Clint and Scott already, so we already know they aren't gonna be the biggest surprises.

[Andrew NDB]

It’s annoyingy trying to wrap my head around how that nanotech suit ends up as just a helmet.

Oh yeah, huh? Weird.

[AquaParade]

Oh yeah, huh? Weird.

I guess what’s more important is the poetry of the scene. I mean, the nanosuit is so advanced that it essentially seems like magic-hooplah at this point.

But for my own sanity, I’ll just imagine that whatever is left of the suit was concentrated into the helmet.

[Andrew NDB]

Rumor going around that Hulk, post-Thanos beatdown may have actually been... Loki, in diguise?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

If that turns out to be true, I will have a fangirl joygasm!! Really kind of disappointed me that he "died" yet AGAIN. Loki seems to have become an expert at faking his death. Also, he IS adept with illusions, disguises, and lying....

[newfan]

Isn't Loki getting his own series? Though I've not read the articles so not sure if it is pre or post Infinity war, or just a separate altogether, so far as him surviving I mean. (if it's happening for sure)

So far as the movie, if that were true I'd be a little confused at why Banner was arguing with Hulk when trying to get him to come out....but would work with Hulk not coming out to play, I guess the real one would be trapped somewhere else ready and for a fight.

I'm still not at ease with how easily Thanos beat Hulk at the beginning but I'm told by 2 comic fans that he could....

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Loki needs to stay dead.

[Andrew NDB]

Loki needs to stay dead.

He's coming back for sure. No way his Disney+ live action show is a prequel.

[Vegita-San]

I always figured hulk was scared of thanos...and that's why he wouldn't come out to play for banner as it where. i never thought loki had something to do with it.

[newfan]

I always figured hulk was scared of thanos...and that's why he wouldn't come out to play for banner as it where. i never thought loki had something to do with it.

Yeah, I came away with the same thing, though I didn't really like that. I suppose it was just he wasn't used to such an easy defeat? Well, if he is him, wonder what will bring him back.

[Vegita-San]

Yeah, I came away with the same thing, though I didn't really like that. I suppose it was just he wasn't used to such an easy defeat? Well, if he is him, wonder what will bring him back.

I didn't mind it.

Big Bad Hulk just finally came across someone smaller than him that could beat the snot out of him easily... and it scared the living crap out of him. that's bound to get someone who thought he was invincible. Even Superman had to take a break from battling Nuke Man.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

He's coming back for sure. No way his Disney+ live action show is a prequel.

A damn shame if that turns out to be true.

[newfan]

I didn't mind it.

Big Bad Hulk just finally came across someone smaller than him that could beat the snot out of him easily... and it scared the living crap out of him. that's bound to get someone who thought he was invincible. Even Superman had to take a break from battling Nuke Man.

This is true.



So far as Loki, I did feel that if his death was final (and as it was done as a real death I thought it was) then it was kinda sad that it was right at the start and from doing something that would easily get him killed.
(I really did like the movie besides these little complaints btw)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This is true.



So far as Loki, I did feel that if his death was final (and as it was done as a real death I thought it was) then it was kinda sad that it was right at the start and from doing something that would easily get him killed.
(I really did like the movie besides these little complaints btw)

Best to get Loki out of the way as quickly as possible, so as to let all of the new villains breathe. Loki tends to overshadow new characters, as Christopher Eccleston found to his chagrin. (Not that the director gave him much to work with in the final cut, anyway.)

[Andrew NDB]

IF that was Loki's actual death (and it absolutely wasn't), most/all of the impact was sucked away a few scenes later when Thor is joking to the Guardians about him dying a lot.

Personally, he should have made his big sacrifice in Thor 2 and it should have stuck.

[ProphetofGanja]

I feel like Thor expressed his emotions in his own way, trying to distance himself from them to some extent. Sure, he tries to downplay it and even inject some humor into the situation, but only as a way of trying to cope with the pain. You can clearly see he's hurting when he rattles off all that he's been through in the past few years and by how willing he was to throw himself into what was very nearly a suicide mission. I feel like I understand Thor''s processing of his trauma because it's a very similar process to my own–just ignoring it and engaging in risk-seeking behavior as a means of distraction/avoidance.

I kinda hope that was Loki's actual death we saw in Infinity War because it emphasizes how Loki had evolved and his and Thor's relationship as brothers had been repaired enough to the point that Loki felt he had to try to do something, anything, even something desperate and stupid to save his brother.

It is possible that Loki actually died in Infinity War and will be restored to life through either some kind of resurrection or transfer from an alternate timeline.

[ProphetofGanja]

Avengers: Endgame Promo Campaign Will Only Use Footage from First 20 Minutes
(https://movieweb.com/avengers-endgame-promotional-campaign-footage/)

Marvel's playing it really close to the vest with the marketing for Endgame, which isn't surprising. I am taking everything they say with a grain of salt though, as Marvel Studios has shown that they will flat-out lie about certain things, be it verbally or through intentionally misleading trailers showing scenes not actually made for the film (none of which I fault them for; I love reading movie & TV spoilers but I still always want some surprises when watching the first time).

Also, I love this theory (https://bgr.com/2019/01/03/avengers-endgame-theory-explains-who-saves-ant-man-from-quantum-realm/) that posits Luis will be the one to rescue Scott Lang from the Quantum Realm by tracking down his van and using the quantum tunneler, if only so that he and Lang can be roped into the Infinity War and Luis can then in-turn brief someone on what's been going on by recapping events like only he can

[Andrew NDB]

After Thor 1, and Avengers 1, really the only place to take Loki was the somewhat reluctant but heroic sacrifice route. I feel like Thor 2, everyone involved was committed to that and making it matter... but then Marvel/Disney realized that their entire female fanbase wanted to have sex with Tom Hiddleston. So they crippled Thor 2 with huge reshoots built around Loki that weren't there before and nothing's ever quite been "right" in Dodge in the Thor camp since.

[newfan]

A death in 2 would have worked as pointed out, he would have redeemed himself there, on the other hand he is the god of mischief so him faking it kinda worked too. He seems to have become the lovable bad guy (you know bad but not entirely and with a bit of humour) I had no problem with him surviving, course it can be overkill to keep repeating... I'd wonder they were going for their own version of South Park's Kenny :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

After Thor 1, and Avengers 1, really the only place to take Loki was the somewhat reluctant but heroic sacrifice route. I feel like Thor 2, everyone involved was committed to that and making it matter... but then Marvel/Disney realized that their entire female fanbase wanted to have sex with Tom Hiddleston. So they crippled Thor 2 with huge reshoots built around Loki that weren't there before and nothing's ever quite been "right" in Dodge in the Thor camp since.

Right on the money, amigo. :tlol:

[ProphetofGanja]

Avengers: Endgame - Iron Man's Potential Rescuer Might Have Just Been Spoiled (https://in.ign.com/m/movie/131551/news/avengers-endgame-iron-mans-potential-rescuer-might-have-just)

Seems like as far as spoilers go this isn't anything so important as to be kept secret since it's coming through somewhat official means

It's Rocket
https://giffiles.alphacoders.com/755/75517.gif

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Avengers: Endgame - Iron Man's Potential Rescuer Might Have Just Been Spoiled (https://in.ign.com/m/movie/131551/news/avengers-endgame-iron-mans-potential-rescuer-might-have-just)

Seems like as far as spoilers go this isn't anything so important as to be kept secret since it's coming through somewhat official means

It's Rocket
https://giffiles.alphacoders.com/755/75517.gif

Considering there aren't a lot of people left alive TO rescue him OR have a spaceship, well... :tgrin: :tlol:

[ZariusTwo]

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[Leofan26]

This film looks insane, all the characters look like they are going through depression after loosing every one they care about, particularly Cap who appears to be having an identify crises issue.

For Tony, he doesn't have time for tears yet as he needs to find a away off the planet first, that's one thing I admire about his character. He can make any thing out of the smallest parts he can find which most would consider trash, the mans brilliant.

[ZariusTwo]

Endgame will be the last movie for Gwyneth Paltrow as Pepper.

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/gwyneth-paltrow-marvel-exit-1203142428/

[AquaParade]

This film looks insane, all the characters look like they are going through depression after loosing every one they care about, particularly Cap who appears to be having an identify crises issue.

For Tony, he doesn't have time for tears yet as he needs to find a away off the planet first, that's one thing I admire about his character. He can make any thing out of the smallest parts he can find which most would consider trash, the mans brilliant.

Well said.

I'm just concerned about tempering my own expectations at this point. I am too excited for my own good.

[Andrew NDB]

Endgame will be the last movie for Gwyneth Paltrow as Pepper.

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/gwyneth-paltrow-marvel-exit-1203142428/

Hm... maybe no reason to bring back a grieving widow, then.

*reads article*

No, she doesn't say that she's retiring at all. In fact, she says the opposite. Basically, "I'm getting old now so I doubt they'd come at me with anything substantial, but I'm always available!"

[Andrew NDB]

So when the Avengers get ready to go after Thanos again, they ask themselves "How do we know it will end differently this time?" Captain Marvel answers, "Because this time you have me."

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/avengers/avengers_endgame/avengers-endgame-footage-description-may-reveal-where-captain-marvel-has-been-since-the-90s-spoilers-a167012

[Galactus]

^^^

I know it's minor thing but shouldn't that be in spoiler tags.

Also it's a very comic Carol Danvers thing to say. From reports about how her personality in her movie is in her movie it's largely the same.

Don't freak out. Her presence will make a difference as will Ant-Man's but it's highly unlikely she's going to get the last blow against Thanos or whoever the Endgame big bad is. It'll be one or more the original Avengers. You'll be fine.

[AquaParade]

Do we know anything about Spider-Man's presence in the movie?

We all know he'll be brought back somehow, but are there any hints to him having a role to play? Or Tom Holland being spotted on set?

[AT-Man]

New trailer hype!


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[ZariusTwo]

And the poster too

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1nkUypU8AAIZ72?format=jpg&name=large

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

New trailer hype!


TcMBFSGVi1c

That was way less Captain Marvel than I was expecting. :tlol:

Also, April 26th needs to hurry the fvck up.

[drgon78]

Less Captain Marvel is still too much.

[newfan]

They have a big expectation to live up to. Very hyped for this.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I haven't been this hyped since... well, Avengers 3.

But before that, it was The Dark Knight Rises!

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like they're sticking to the, "We're only going to show you stuff from the first 20 minutes" for the marketing.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Looks like they're sticking to the, "We're only going to show you stuff from the first 20 minutes" for the marketing.

Which is absolutely the best way to go about this.

[Autbot_Benz]

That Trailer was perfection. **** this movie can't come out soon enough

[newfan]

I haven't been this hyped since... well, Avengers 3.

But before that, it was The Dark Knight Rises!

Yeah same here (Avengers 3 to this)
I was also hyped for Dark Knight Rises when it came out but not sure about the between time, Star Wars until...to start with anyway.. :)

Anyway, I just checked, I think we are getting this movie on the 25th April.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/qxdf7zI.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://i.imgur.com/qxdf7zI.jpg

That'd be the same with any other Marvel movie, though.

Captain America 4? Whatever.
Iron Man 4? Sure, guys...
Black Widow? Is it April yet?
Howard the Duck? Seriously, guys? Can we just get on with it already?

[raph27]

Loved that trailer. The intro with the flashbacks from Phase 1, the new (what I assume are quantum-realm) suits, and the interaction between Thor and Carol was gold. I appreciate that they're mostly sticking to the beginning of the movie, with the only real reveal being Tony and Nebula at Avengers HQ, though I guess that was a given.

[Andrew NDB]

The new poster stirs outrage, then gets fixed:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/endgame-poster-stirs-outrage-gets-fixed/

[raph27]

The new poster stirs outrage, then gets fixed:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/endgame-poster-stirs-outrage-gets-fixed/

Strange that it got fixed so fast. Don't these things usually have to go through a ton of negotiations with agents, or am I thinking of in-film credits?

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Interesting that Thanos isn't even in one frame of the Trailer

[neatoman]

The new poster stirs outrage, then gets fixed:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/endgame-poster-stirs-outrage-gets-fixed/

So one of the actors on the poster didn't have a credit on there and now she does? What a non-story.

[oldmanwinters]

The new poster stirs outrage, then gets fixed:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/endgame-poster-stirs-outrage-gets-fixed/

Pfft, people wanna talk about OUTRAGE, but I've long been upset that Ernie Hudson never got his name on a Ghostbusters poster! :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

I've long been upset that Ernie Hudson never got his name on a Ghostbusters poster! :tlol:

You sure it's not on the Ghostbusters 2 poster? I can't find one on Google in high enough resolution to see for sure, but I bet it is.

[oldmanwinters]

You sure it's not on the Ghostbusters 2 poster? I can't find one on Google in high enough resolution to see for sure, but I bet it is.

You are right, it is hidden down in the fine print at the bottom. But seeing as how Winston finally made it into the picture, it seems odd that his name isn't headlining, even if he wasn't a comparable draw as Murray, Aykroyd, Ramis, Weaver, or Moranis.

[Warhorse]

https://i.imgur.com/qxdf7zI.jpg

LMAO! This cracked me up!:lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like they're sticking to the, "We're only going to show you stuff from the first 20 minutes" for the marketing.

Which is absolutely the best way to go about this.

Oh, of course. It's refreshing to see. I'm positive their inclination would be to show all the "trailer moments" right away, but even Disney up on top knows that for this, they absolutely don't need to.

You are right, it is hidden down in the fine print at the bottom. But seeing as how Winston finally made it into the picture, it seems odd that his name isn't headlining, even if he wasn't a comparable draw as Murray, Aykroyd, Ramis, Weaver, or Moranis.

Didn't he come into the movie at about the hour mark? A little past? And didn't -- let's face it -- do terribly much?

Strictly speaking of GB1.

[Andrew NDB]

People outraged that Brie Larson has makeup on in the Endgame trailer:

https://cosmicbook.news/captain-marvel-brie-larson-fans-hating-avengers-endgame?fbclid=IwAR0oxXYuj8T8fkdKY89wWiJpficuax2Og UoR6MSyWbW2djc1D6fDlipShJI

[Warhorse]

People outraged that Brie Larson has makeup on in the Endgame trailer:

https://cosmicbook.news/captain-marvel-brie-larson-fans-hating-avengers-endgame?fbclid=IwAR0oxXYuj8T8fkdKY89wWiJpficuax2Og UoR6MSyWbW2djc1D6fDlipShJI

They should have just hired Rami Malek dressed as a drag queen to be Captain Marvel. It would probably resulted in a much more entertaining flick, and shut up these stupid SJW's once and for all because they wouldn't know which fight to pick.

[Papenbrook]

What the h-?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

They should have just hired Rami Malek dressed as a drag queen to be Captain Marvel.

You've got some weird fetishes, man... :tlol:

[ProphetofGanja]

Y’all wanna keep having this weird conversation or do y’all wanna talk about the big batch of alleged plot leaks that just came out?

[AquaParade]

Y’all wanna keep having this weird conversation or do y’all wanna talk about the big batch of alleged plot leaks that just came out?

I'm interested...

[Andrew NDB]

Y’all wanna keep having this weird conversation or do y’all wanna talk about the big batch of alleged plot leaks that just came out?

Yeah, spill!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, spill!

Same, let's hear it!

[neatoman]

Nobody cares about spoilers, just give us the dirt, man!

[Andrew NDB]

I found this... but I don't know how much stock I put in it.

https://bgr.com/2019/03/16/avengers-endgame-spoilers-hero-deaths-resurrections-new-villains/

[neatoman]

I found this... but I don't know how much stock I put in it.

https://bgr.com/2019/03/16/avengers-endgame-spoilers-hero-deaths-resurrections-new-villains/

To summarize this:

Steve dies
Spidey becomes the Avengers leader
Hulk retains Banner's intellect and kills Thanos
Strange put a timeloop centered around the events of the last movie
Kang is the real villain
The next challenge is the Celestials



Seems a bit... Difficult to decipher. I'm not even sure about the chronology of anything here.

[Galactus]

To summarize this:

Steve dies
Spidey becomes the Avengers leader
Hulk retains Banner's intellect and kills Thanos
Strange put a timeloop centered around the events of the last movie
Kang is the real villain
The next challenge is the Celestials



Seems a bit... Difficult to decipher. I'm not even sure about the chronology of anything here.

There's little of that I can realistically see happening.

Also even though Kang is primarily an Avengers villain he's bizarrely part of the deal Marvel had with Fox for the FF. Unless they did a deal like they did for Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver I can't see them putting him in the Avengers until the Fox deal was a done thing

[snake]

Do you know how hard it is to keep myself from reading spoilers for this?

[Leo656]

Do you know how hard it is to keep myself from reading spoilers for this?

You really think you're made of sterner stuff than Adam and Eve, playa? I guffaw.

Human beings have been unable to resist "Spoilers" and such the beginning of humankind. You're not dooming the human race or anything.

[snake]

I barely knew anything about Infinity War and I want to feel that again.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I barely knew anything about Infinity War and I want to feel that again.

I managed to avoid the big spoilers as well, but it helps when you're already 100% confident the film ends on the "SNAP."

This one is gonna be harder. :tlol:

[ZariusTwo]

I barely knew anything about Infinity War and I want to feel that again.

The film never had much of a plot anyway

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The film never had much of a plot anyway

Never change, Z2.

[Redeemer]

I barely knew anything about Infinity War and I want to feel that again.

It was a little difficult to avoid spoiler given the fact how many "Snap/Dust" memes appeared in the last one. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, I don't buy those "spoilers" at all. It doesn't even explain the set photos of Tony Stark with aging makeup and whitish hair.

[ZariusTwo]

Running time is apparently 182 minutes

https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1105096/Avengers-Endgame-runtime-3-hours-Avengers-Infinity-War-Russo-Brothers

AMC cinema have updated their site since this news broke to remove the running time info

[snake]

Yeah, not going to drink anything during this one. Either the movie is going to be jam-packed with story or be a complete slog up until the last 45 minutes.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

To summarize this:

Steve dies
Spidey becomes the Avengers leader
Hulk retains Banner's intellect and kills Thanos
Strange put a timeloop centered around the events of the last movie
Kang is the real villain
The next challenge is the Celestials



Seems a bit... Difficult to decipher. I'm not even sure about the chronology of anything here.


Hmm, I can see numbers 1, 3, 4, and even 5 or 6 being true"ish", but everything I have read says Carol is the new "leader" going forward. In fact, that fits her character, as she has been co-leader with Cap Am. for years in the comics, at least prior to Secret Invasion. Celestials have been teased a bit, but aside from Ego, who is now dead, who do we really have? An unnamed dead one whose head is mined for resources, and perhaps Thanos name-dropping Death? Kang as the next big bad is reasonable, since he is a time-traveler, and Strange using the Time stone could somehow pull him into things. Hulk with Banner's intellect would suggest Grey Hulk/Mr Fix-it as a possibility, something I could enjoy seeing. As for #1, that was a major storyline that might get adapted, especially if what I've seen about one of the future villains is true.

It's Taskmaster!

[Leo656]

Yeah, not going to drink anything during this one. Either the movie is going to be jam-packed with story or be a complete slog up until the last 45 minutes.

The thing that annoys me most about being my current age is that long movies are a real drag in the theater, now. I LOVE long movies but my bladder doesn't anymore. Real bummer.

[Autbot_Benz]

New Posters came out for The Dead and Living Characters for Endgame.

Fan Favorite Shuri is Dead sadly

All the Dead Posters have Avenge The Fallen on them

https://twitter.com/MCU_Direct/status/1110589262309834752

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

New Posters came out for The Dead and Living Characters for Endgame.

Fan Favorite Shuri is Dead sadly

All the Dead Posters have Avenge The Fallen on them

https://twitter.com/MCU_Direct/status/1110589262309834752

Damn good posters. To paraphrase Christopher Nolan's Bane, "THE HYPE RISES!"

[ZariusTwo]

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[ZariusTwo]

https://img.purch.com/o/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uZXdzYXJhbWEuY29tL2ltYWdlcy9pLzAwMC 8yNTEvNTk3L2kwMi9FbmRnYW1lX0NoaW5hLmpwZWc=

The movie will be released April 24th in China

[Cure]

Man, I'm really excited for it, but my one want is that the original 6 get to do **** together, even if for a little bit.

[ZariusTwo]

KCSNFZKbhZE

[AquaParade]

I heard that video reveals way more than the actual trailers so far - for anyone who cares about that sort of thing. I don't think I'm going to watch it. I really like the feeling of going into a theater with hardly any idea what to expect. So tempted though.

[Andrew NDB]

The thing that annoys me most about being my current age is that long movies are a real drag in the theater, now. I LOVE long movies but my bladder doesn't anymore. Real bummer.

I don't have that problem... maybe you should get checked out, man? Might have an enlarged prostate or something.

[Leo656]

I probably shouldn't drink anywhere near as much coffee as I do. Reasonably certain that's the issue. :lol:

But I can't live without coffee, so I just deal with it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I probably shouldn't drink anywhere near as much coffee as I do. Reasonably certain that's the issue. :lol:

But I can't live without coffee, so I just deal with it.

So this is what's gonna happen to me in 5 years, huh?

Also, I'm swearing off Avengers 4 marketing. This last trailer is enough for me. Oh yeah, gotta go buy my tickets! :teek:

UPDATED: Got my tickets! Whatever it takes!

[MikeandRaph87]

I just found out that Rocket Raccoon did not get snapped to dust. Cant believe that I missed that. I thought all of the Guardians aside from honorary Nebula died.

Still miffed that the most popular Marvel character, Spider-Man was not allowed to survive.

[Leo656]

Ohhhhhhhh PLEASE, as if anyone over the age of two-and-a-half expected him to stay "dead" or whatever. Him OR mostly anyone else, but especially him.

These are stories, and stories have "drama". They have to at least create the "illusion" of stakes and consequences, even though everybody kind of knew that, if nothing else, the fact he had another movie coming out (that's openly set AFTER the next Avengers movie, with zero attempt to hide that fact) means he'd be getting better real quick. And besides, everybody knows that only the guys whose contracts are up are in any real "danger". C'mon pal.

I don't get mad at these things, it's just storytelling.

[ZariusTwo]

Still miffed that the most popular Marvel character, Spider-Man was not allowed to survive.

It was done to set up an emotional guilt trip arc for Tony here since he got Peter involved in all of this in the first place.

[newfan]

It did give more of a dramatic/emotional end to the first half, especially as the actor decided to play it out too...and we know he is coming back.

Man I hope this movie doesn't end up on the movie disappointment thread :lol: I am very enthusiastic for this.

[Andrew NDB]

updated: Got my tickets! Whatever it takes!

4/26... 9 pm (pst)!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

4/26... 9 pm (pst)!

4/26, 130pm (cst) for me. Gonna be good!

[AquaParade]

I just found out that Rocket Raccoon did not get snapped to dust. Cant believe that I missed that. I thought all of the Guardians aside from honorary Nebula died.

Still miffed that the most popular Marvel character, Spider-Man was not allowed to survive.

It opens up the door for Spider-Man to have a great "comeback" scene in this film. We've sat, for a year, with the fact that poor Peter was eerily turned to dust, as he cried in the helpless arms of Tony Stark.

Think of how spectacular it will be to finally see him return in a blaze of glory.

[Warhorse]

Well, got my tickets for 10:45 pm on 04/25/19, IMAX.

[Redeemer]

Well, got my tickets for 10:45 pm on 04/25/19, IMAX.

I wish we had a like button feature on the drome. :lol:
Good to hear, I still have to grab some tickets.

[Vicky82]

I got my ticket April 27th 11:40am in Superscreen.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I won't have time to see Captain Marvel beforehand, but given there's almost no connective tissue between the two movies except for the end credits scene (which I already YouTubed), I don't think it'll be an issue.

[Andrew NDB]

I won't have time to see Captain Marvel beforehand, but given there's almost no connective tissue between the two movies except for the end credits scene (which I already YouTubed), I don't think it'll be an issue.

I would almost guarantee that end credits scene is PART of the movie, too. It'll be like that scene from Civil War with Bucky that was an end credits scene in a previous movie. Certainly Avengers: Endgame won't begin with Captain Marvel already hanging out with them.

[AquaParade]

I would almost guarantee that end credits scene is PART of the movie, too. It'll be like that scene from Civil War with Bucky that was an end credits scene in a previous movie. Certainly Avengers: Endgame won't begin with Captain Marvel already hanging out with them.

Exactly. I believe it’s been confirmed that the Russo’s directed the scene as well. Another clear sign.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I would almost guarantee that end credits scene is PART of the movie, too. It'll be like that scene from Civil War with Bucky that was an end credits scene in a previous movie. Certainly Avengers: Endgame won't begin with Captain Marvel already hanging out with them.

Oh riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! That end credits scene totally WAS part of the actual Civil War movie. Cool. :tcool:

[Andrew NDB]

Oh riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! That end credits scene totally WAS part of the actual Civil War movie. Cool. :tcool:

I kind of don't like that they use existing footage from upcoming movies. If they can't be bothered to shoot something original just for the end/mid credits stuff, they probably shouldn't bother with it at all.

[AquaParade]

I kind of don't like that they use existing footage from upcoming movies. If they can't be bothered to shoot something original just for the end/mid credits stuff, they probably shouldn't bother with it at all.

I know what you mean, but in this case, I am just glad I won't be missing out on plot elements because I've skipped seeing Captain Marvel in theaters.

With how connected the universe is now, I count this as a win, personally.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I know what you mean, but in this case, I am just glad I won't be missing out on plot elements because I've skipped seeing Captain Marvel in theaters.

With how connected the universe is now, I count this as a win, personally.

I am 100% in agreement with this.

It's also need to see a scene from an upcoming movie out of context, and then later in context.

But yeah, it's kinda at odds with the usual "end credits" MO...

[Autbot_Benz]

Some people want an "intermission" still for endgame. **** that noise play the movie as is.

I sat through all 6 Peter Jackson movies no problem I can handle this one :lol:

[Warhorse]

I wish we had a like button feature on the drome. :lol:
Good to hear, I still have to grab some tickets.

:lol:

Even my boss was talking about this today. He already got tickets for him and his whole family.

[MikeandRaph87]

https://news.avclub.com/say-goodbye-to-sleep-amc-is-showing-all-22-marvel-movi-1833744968?rev=1554221287108&utm_source=Facebook&utm_campaign=SF&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_content=Main&fbclid=IwAR2slsPDdaBEnzAj0Qn1FrMPnkVx9IVC9Nxa9YmyB x78snNx40y8uOlBn9o

AMC is set to run 59 hours of Marvel Cinematic Universe ahead of the premiere of the 4th Avengers film.

[snake]

Anyone who dares do that guaranteed will regret their decision by Iron Man 3.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Anyone who dares do that guaranteed will regret their decision by Iron Man 3.

Nah, Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 are the perfect meal/nap/potty break time.

[Andrew NDB]

Starting to get annoying on social media. Everyone is really acting like this movie is the first movie in history to be 3 hours.

[MikeandRaph87]

Starting to get annoying on social media. Everyone is really acting like this movie is the first movie in history to be 3 hours.

I know. Watchmen clocks in at 3 hours 35 minutes. Did that ever get criticized?

[snake]

To be fair, Watchmen is targeted at a niche audience. Every casual and their dog wants to see Endgame, and a lot of people have the attention spans of small children and can’t comprehend sitting down and watching a movie for that long.

[MikeandRaph87]

To be fair, Watchmen is targeted at a niche audience. Every casual and their dog wants to see Endgame, and a lot of people have the attention spans of small children and can’t comprehend sitting down and watching a movie for that long.

It took just over 3 hours for Superman to use a spear lethal to him to kill General Zod masquerading as Doomsday instead of Wonder Woman who is proficient in ancient weaponry and Bruce and Clark to learn their mothers share a first name in Dawn of Justice.

[Leo656]

So you wanted a character whose name wasn't even in the title of the film to "go over", despite the fact that they were obviously doing a "Death of Superman" pastiche simply by including Doomsday in the first place? Interesting.

The criticism people try and come up with for that movie continues to be some of the worst I've personally ever heard.

[Warhorse]

I won't have time to see Captain Marvel beforehand, but given there's almost no connective tissue between the two movies except for the end credits scene (which I already YouTubed), I don't think it'll be an issue.

When the first Avengers came, I hadn't seen Incredible Hulk, and it made no difference to me. And I have yet to see Ant-Man, and I don't have a problem with following his arc. Heck, we barely get anything on Scarlet Witch, and people can follow her just fine, so I have faith that movies and even the TV shows can be skipped and we will still get the bigger picture.

[Warhorse]

Starting to get annoying on social media. Everyone is really acting like this movie is the first movie in history to be 3 hours.

Really? With famous movies like Dances with Wolves, Titanic, LOTR all clocking over 3 hours, now people have a problem with the times?

[Leo656]

The industry has been pushing for shorter running times for quite a while, to increase the number of showtimes per day and in turn overall ticket sales.

Aside from that, though, to the media in general super-hero movies "aren't real movies" and thus are "undeserving" of taking up so much real estate. So I'm not surprised that the media is choosing to make a bigger deal out of it than it needs to be.

[Xav]

So you wanted a character whose name wasn't even in the title of the film to "go over", despite the fact that they were obviously doing a "Death of Superman" pastiche simply by including Doomsday in the first place? Interesting.

The criticism people try and come up with for that movie continues to be some of the worst I've personally ever heard.Characters acting stupid is bad writing. Regardless if it references some comic or not.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

https://i.redd.it/yx34wwpip2n21.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://i.redd.it/yx34wwpip2n21.jpg

I guess when you have the attention span of a "Flo from Progressive" commercial, three hours is about as daunting as performing open-heart surgery on your favorite dog. Without anesthetic. :trolleye:

[Leo656]

How is it acting stupid? He's implicitly much more powerful than Wonder Woman (I seriously doubt she could have stopped the World Engine after all), and they'd already spent the previous half hour firmly establishing that this version of Kryptonite doesn't cause immediate crippling death and/or paralysis (which again, is fairly consistent with some, but not all, portrayals). I can easily cite dozens of examples from several different media of Superman "playing through the pain" and shrugging off the effects of Kryptonite - temporarily - through sheer force of will.

A lot of people are like, "OMG dood Kryptonite he shouldn't be able to even move", but that's generally NOT how Kryptonite works. Sometimes yes, mostly No. Again, they'd literally just spent a long time establishing "the rules" of how it worked.

Even weakened by the radiation, he was ultimately the only one powerful enough to drive the spear through Doomsday. Plus, Diana was too busy (barely) keeping him restrained with the lasso. And I've heard people say how "easily" she was handling Doomsday but that's frankly horse sh*t. She was surviving but really only managed to get in all of one good shot.

Finally, from the meta-fictional standpoint, the entire story hinged upon Superman making a heroic sacrifice, because nothing less than that would "prove" that he was actually a Good Guy to everyone who felt otherwise. That was the entire point of the movie.

Zack also loves the movie "Excalibur" and decided to mimic the ending. Which is actually kinda funny. :lol:

Anyway, it's like saying he was "stupid" in the comics for not just calling Green Lantern or someone to drop Doomsday into a black hole, rather than for he and Doomsday to punch each other to death. Sure, that's one story they might have written but they didn't. In both cases, they said "How do we kill Superman?" and worked backwards from there.

Frankly, I liked it a lot better than, "They just punched each other really, REALLY hard." For purposes of dramatic effect, it worked a lot better.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.redd.it/yx34wwpip2n21.jpg

as someone who saw all 3 LOTR's and All 3 Hobbits in theaters and never left to use the bathroom during those movies I laughed

[Leo656]

I over-indulged a little bit during one of my times seeing Return of the King and juuuuust barely made it through. :lol:

[Prowler]

I watched a couple of the LOTR movies(Return of the King and the 1st Hobbit movie, to be more specific) at the cinema. No problems. In fact, the movies didn't feel as long as they actually were, especially not the Hobbit movie.

Then again they're pretty good movies, so when you're so into it and entertained by the movie you're not gonna notice the passage of time. It's like when you start a new Civ or FM save file. Next thing you know, 3-4 hours have passed. :lol:

[neatoman]

https://i.redd.it/yx34wwpip2n21.jpg

Well, to be fair the MCU does have a far longer total runtime than the Lord of the Rings.