New She-Ra Series Coming From Dreamworks [Archive]

Candy Kappa

12-13-2017, 02:28 AM

What do you mean, it had a leach man, a guy with four legs, a woman with no face, a rainbow dwarf, a dumpy old lady, a flamboyantly dressed dude with a Tom Selleck moustache.. I could go on.

The more outlandish creature designs are varied, but just like He-man and the Masters of the Universe where the Lich-Sorcerer who's the hero's uncle is as beekcake buff as said hero. The non-cartoony humans have basically just one body type and similar clothes due to toy limitation and the way the show was made.

We don't see a lady with a similar body like Zarya from Overwatch or Glory from the Joe Keatinge's run of the Image comic.

If the show is less toyetic and more character driven, they could like make Octavia more monstrous then just a basic female stock model colored green with added tentacles and face fins, the tentacles could in a new design look like they actually are a natural part of her body. The body difference between Adora and She-Ra could be more opposites like with Adam and He-Man in the Mike Young show, and I hope we're getting a She-Ra that's similar to Stjepan Sejic's artworks of her

https://pre00.deviantart.net/83de/th/pre/f/2012/185/6/6/for_the_honor_of_graaaaaawwww_crap__by_nebezial-d55zdjt.jpg
https://pre00.deviantart.net/5108/th/pre/i/2012/186/f/6/shera_and_swiftwind___and_i_cant_believe_i_drew_it _by_nebezial-d563x9r.jpg
https://orig00.deviantart.net/a3d2/f/2014/235/1/3/masters_of_the_universe_cover_by_nebezial-d7wdufh.jpg

But Shadow Weaver needs to be as untouched in design as possible, cause a creepy faceless floating witch with boob socks on her robe to show off her rack is too hilarious to pass up :lol:

ProactiveMan

12-13-2017, 03:08 AM

I guess it depends on who they are pitching this show at. If it’s kids - kids don’t really care about Glimmer’s inner turmoil, they just want her to do interesting things. If it’s old-farts who grew up on the show… most of us are too old and busy/lazy to watch She-ra. If it’s young adults or teens, then I guess they can turn it into Dawson’s Creek like everything else.

I agree with the Shadow Weaver thing though. I don't know what they were thinking when they drew that model sheet, but she's pretty special.

drgon78

12-13-2017, 06:35 AM

I don't have high hopes for this but I really do hope that it is good.

MsMarvelDuckie

12-13-2017, 03:00 PM

I could go for this. I was a big fan back in the day- even had most of the toys including the steeds and castle. It was actually of of the few girl-oriented toy lines that I enjoyed playing with regularly. Barbie lost my interest early on save for the outfits, but She-Ra! Now THERE was a role-model I could really respect. She was strong, brave, bold and smart, compassionate, and honorable. In other words, a hero girls could really look up to. I still enjoy watching some of those old cartoons once in a while when I catch them late in the evening, so this has me curious.

Coola Yagami

12-13-2017, 03:04 PM

I hope it works out, I assume we'll eventually see He-Man in it just like Supergirl eventually brought in Superman.

Candy Kappa

12-19-2017, 04:35 AM

First look at She-Ra
https://twitter.com/hemanorg/status/942904437613395970

I'm liking it

TurtleTitan97

12-19-2017, 09:15 AM

I can dig it.

Coola Yagami

12-19-2017, 09:34 AM

Not a fan of the art style and Thor horns. And I guess she's a teen now? It's kind of an odd thing to say, I know, but they made the Princess of Power flat as a board. And yes, I know animated boobs are not important but can you imagine if some new show had a flat Wonder Woman or a flat Xena, who are two gals that She-Ra is often compared to?

plastroncafe

12-19-2017, 09:40 AM

Until proven otherwise, I'm going to assume she's wearing functional armor.

Coola Yagami

12-19-2017, 09:44 AM

Until proven otherwise, I'm going to assume she's wearing functional armor.

And pants, apparently.

Spike Spiegel

12-19-2017, 09:44 AM

One of the things I liked about 2002/Mike Young He-Man was that He-Man's visual design looked so different from Adam's. Unless Adora is a waif in this series, it seems like she wouldn't have much in the way of protecting her secret identity...and something about the proportions of her mouth in comparison with the rest of her face makes her seem brutish, almost ape-like IMHO. But that could just be a preliminary design. I am quite glad that it's in 2D.

I understand the emulation of that anime look, but it seems so...2006. Like this series went into production at the same time as Avatar or Martin Mystery. Weirdly retro, in a way.

Not a fan of the art style and Thor horns. And I guess she's a teen now? It's kind of an odd thing to say, I know, but they made the Princess of Power flat as a board. And yes, I know animated boobs are not important but can you imagine if some new show had a flat Wonder Woman or a flat Xena, who are two gals that She-Ra is often compared to?

Wonder Woman's design in JL Action is simple enough to animate well without making her look like a prepubescent, but at the same time, she's not overly idealized, either.

http://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/dcn-wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/18121016/Justice-League-Action-Wonder-Woman.jpg

plastroncafe

12-19-2017, 09:47 AM

And pants, apparently.

...HA!
Unless it's going to be one of those cartoons.

Coola Yagami

12-19-2017, 09:48 AM

One of the things I liked about 2002/Mike Young He-Man was that He-Man's visual design looked so different from Adam's. Unless Adora is a waif in this series, it seems like she wouldn't have much in the way of protecting her secret identity...and something about the proportions of her mouth in comparison with the rest of her face makes her seem brutish, almost ape-like IMHO. But that could just be a preliminary design. I am quite glad that it's in 2D.

http://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/dcn-wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/18121016/Justice-League-Action-Wonder-Woman.jpg

No, that's just the face she's making in that particular frame, which shows they'll be full with cartoony facial expressions.

And yeah, JLAction Wonder Woman looks younger and cuter than the adult Amazon from the comics, but she still didn't lose her figure or her chest in exchange of her being made easier to animate.

Vegita-San

12-19-2017, 09:50 AM

The Image of She-Ra in the Netflix Promo image is MUCH closer to what I'd like to see this series look like.

the image above looks WAY too stylized for my tastes for easy animation.

Coola Yagami

12-19-2017, 09:50 AM

...HA!
Unless it's going to be one of those cartoons.

Hey, it worked in Ducktales.

plastroncafe

12-19-2017, 09:54 AM

Hey, it worked in Ducktales.

I concede the point
Well played.
:D

drgon78

12-20-2017, 06:57 AM

This does not fill me with hope.

NinjaPug

05-18-2018, 12:05 PM

"DreamWorks Animation Television and Netflix Reveal Cast for All-New Original Series She-Ra and the Princesses of Power

Starring Aimee Carrero, Karen Fukuhara, Marcus Scribner, AJ Michalka, Lorraine Toussaint, Reshma Shetty, Christine Woods, Jordan Fisher, Vella Lovell, Merit Leighton, Lauren Ash, Genesis Rodriguez and Sandra Oh

For the honor of Grayskull! DreamWorks Animation Television has revealed the cast of the upcoming Netflix original series DreamWorks She-Ra and the Princesses of Power, set to be released globally in 2018.

*Aimee Carrero (Elena of Avalor) stars as Adora/She-Ra; Karen Fukuhara (Suicide Squad) as Glimmer; AJ Michalka (The Goldbergs) as Catra, Marcus Scribner (black-ish) as Bow; Reshma Shetty (Royal Pains) as Angella; Lorraine Toussaint (Orange is the New Black) as Shadow Weaver; Keston John (The Good Place) as Hordak; Lauren Ash (Superstore) as Scorpia; Christine Woods (Hello Ladies) as Entrapta; Genesis Rodriguez (Time After Time) as Perfuma; Jordan Fisher (Grease Live!) as Seahawk; Vella Lovell (Crazy Ex-Girlfriend) as Mermista; Merit Leighton (Alexa & Katie) as Frosta; Sandra Oh (Killing Eve) as Castaspella; and Krystal Joy Brown (Motown: The Musical) as Netossa.

She-Ra and the Princesses of Power is the story of an orphan named Adora (Carrero), who leaves behind her former life in the evil Horde when she discovers a magic sword that transforms her into the mythical warrior princess She-Ra. Along the way, she finds a new family in the Rebellion as she unites a group of magical princesses in the ultimate fight against evil.

From Eisner Award-winning author and executive producer Noelle Stevenson (Lumberjanes, Nimona) and executive producer Chuck Austen (Dawn of the Croods, Steven Universe) comes a modern take on the '80s girl power icon for a new generation of young fans.

The trailblazing property originally debuted in 1985 to satisfy overwhelming demand for a female-lead fantasy series. With Stevenson's unique voice at the helm, fans are in store for an epic and timely adventure that celebrates friendship and empowerment, led by a warrior princess tailor-made for today."

http://www.he-man.org/assets/images/home_news/netflix-shera-teaser-image_full.jpg

Vegita-San

05-18-2018, 12:07 PM

i really hope the art isn't as cheap as it looks..and that guys can get into this series too.

one reason i skipped it around the first time is because it looked too princessy and doll centric and cringe worthy for guys to enjoy. although when you watch it, the plot lines are a little more serious than he-man to off set the even goofier characters.

drgon78

05-18-2018, 02:22 PM

I doubt it will be worse then anything on Cartoon Network.

sdp

05-18-2018, 02:59 PM

Don't He-Man fans blame She-Ra for killing He-Man? I'm not sure that's true but I saw it on that The Toys That Made Us Netflix show. If this She-Ra cartoon is revives He-Man wouldn't that be ironic after so many failed attempts?

I'm guessing the cartoon is going to be trash though. All Netflix original cartoons are really bad and go for really young age groups. The only one that breaks the mold is Voltron which is also a Dreamworks deal like this one so I guess there's a chance but people should place their expectations accordingly.

NinjaPug

07-16-2018, 12:18 PM

Some details and new photos of the show.

http://ew.com/tv/2018/07/16/she-ra-see-photos-noelle-stevenson/

https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fewedit.files.wordpress.com %2F2018%2F07%2Fshera-ew-4-she-ra.jpg%3Fw%3D2000&w=800&q=70

Vegita-San

07-16-2018, 12:25 PM

NinjaPug

07-16-2018, 12:34 PM

art looks like crap. looks even worse blown up.

EVERY show has a stylized Teen Titans Go type look these days and i'm getting awful tired of it.

She-Ra looks like she's supposed to be 12. yet it's been mentioned somewhere that I Think her age is closer to 20.

I want to say mid teens but that might not be right.

To me the art style looks closer to the new Voltron series than TTG. I think Catra looks the best out of all the pictures.

drgon78

07-16-2018, 01:00 PM

She-Ra looks like a guy in drag.

The animation looks cheap.

Character designs look really bad except Catra.

Andrew NDB

07-16-2018, 01:01 PM

Don't He-Man fans blame She-Ra for killing He-Man?

I've never heard that, ever.

plastroncafe

07-16-2018, 01:03 PM

I love the artist's other work, so I'm in.

Allio

07-16-2018, 01:12 PM

She-Ra looks like a guy in drag.

To be fair it works with He-Man's hard-gay attire.

Vegita-San

07-16-2018, 01:15 PM

I want to say mid teens but that might not be right.

To me the art style looks closer to the new Voltron series than TTG. I think Catra looks the best out of all the pictures.

I looked up the new voltron defenders art.

THAT art looks closert to a young justice style. THIS looks more like teen titans go, or steven universe, or adventure time, or.....the list goes on.

Glimmer looks absolutely horrible.

Allio

07-16-2018, 01:23 PM

I'd say if Voltron was suppose to look "Shounen" in asthetics, this one is suppose to look "Shoujo"

plastroncafe

07-16-2018, 01:29 PM

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/teen-titans-go/images/6/61/Teen_Titans_Go%21.png

http://www.tvovermind.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Adventure-Time-640x360.jpg

https://static.next-episode.net/tv-shows-images/huge/steven-universe.jpg

On the off chance someone wants a visual reference for the show names being tossed around.

It's weird, the linework is more simplistic than that of Voltron or Young Justice, but I'd say it's closer to that than any of the above images. It looks far less stylized.

Maybe a 2-D version of Green Lantern the Animated series?

To be fair it works with He-Man's hard-gay attire.
Right? Few things as Leather Daddy as He-Man.

It's kind of refreshing to see female characters without lipstick.
Maybe that's what's throwing people off.

Autbot_Benz

07-16-2018, 01:49 PM

man that is the Manliest looking She Ra I have ever seen :lol:

Allio

07-16-2018, 02:07 PM

Honestly I find this one more feminine. The original She-ra always looked "manly"

Andrew NDB

07-16-2018, 02:08 PM

https://i.imgur.com/rntKywe.jpg

plastroncafe

07-16-2018, 02:14 PM

Honestly I find this one more feminine. The original She-ra always looked "manly"

I wouldn't go so far as to say masculine, but I would say that OG She-Ra was awfully performative feminine.
Like...Beaton's "Strong Female Characters."

TurtleTitan97

07-16-2018, 02:25 PM

Looks alright to me. Still need to see the characters in motion though.

Vicky82

07-16-2018, 02:28 PM

ZariusTwo

07-16-2018, 02:51 PM

Premiere date

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiP3tXBUEAAHFCG.jpg

sdp

07-16-2018, 03:16 PM

SheRa looks like a man. The art style is perfect for this show it looks like a girly version of the 90s Bruce Time style that was popular back in the day. The teen Titans go comparison makes 0 sense. It's very girly but it's a show for girls so who cares, I'm sure if it ever has a he man spin off that'll look more boy friendly. I'm interested enough to check it out. I'm not really a he man fan so don't care if the show is being ruined or not but if it's cool I'll check it out. Poor she ra with that man chin though.

newfan

07-16-2018, 03:27 PM

Didn't He-Man get two reboots already though? Also another movie coming, that still happening?
I preferred He-man as a child but I did watch some of She-Ra.

I don't care for the design but it seems to go with modern toons and I'm not likely to watch anyway so ...

Coola Yagami

07-16-2018, 03:52 PM

Premiere date

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiP3tXBUEAAHFCG.jpg

Why is She Ra a preteen?

plastroncafe

07-16-2018, 03:57 PM

Is she a pre-teen? Is there copy that states that, or are we assuming that based on her chest?

Because to me it looks like she's just wearing sensible armor. ie: no boob socks.

Andrew NDB

07-16-2018, 04:04 PM

This looks like... a very "important" She-ra reboot. :)

Candy Kappa

07-16-2018, 04:31 PM

I guess without a skirt so short, it had to defy gravity to not show panty shots in the old show, or lack of boobs that's vacuum packed in the armor. It's too hard for boys to see if She-Ra is a woman. :lol:

The animation looks cheap.

There's animation shown? Where, I've only seen still pictures.

plastroncafe

07-16-2018, 04:35 PM

I guess without a skirt so short, it had to defy gravity to not show panty shots in the old show, or lack of boobs that's vacuum packed in the armor. It's too hard for boys to see if She-Ra is a woman. :lol:

They're just so easily confused, and then that's when the Gay Panic sets in!

Spike Spiegel

07-16-2018, 05:02 PM

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Why are grown men getting so A N G E R Y about this? It's a reboot of a toy commercial from the 80s. It's not like TMNT, where there's any kind of established adult/mature version to reference.

She doesn't have to be a Jungian archetype goddess figure with a bimbo physique and the vocabulary of Alan Moore. It's a cartoon aimed at kids, just like the original. I didn't realize She-Ra had fanboys.

plastroncafe

07-16-2018, 05:07 PM

Lemongrabbing is the only way some people can interact with their environment.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/nWUpWVZBTOwmI/giphy.gif

Vegita-San

07-16-2018, 05:21 PM

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Why are grown men getting so A N G E R Y about this?

no one is angry about it, except the people who like to defend this style of cheap art.

The 'grown men' and women, I might add, can't forget them, are just tired and accepting that shows we loved as kids will get bastardized as adults. i'm more resigned to that now than I was 5 years ago.

found this on twitter. a shame we couldn't have gotten a series like this. an art style kids and adults could get into.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiKHYFeUwAEe9Dc.jpg:large

Utrommaniac

07-16-2018, 05:22 PM

Honestly, the only thing I'm hoping for is that it retains its glorious flamboyance.

The art style reminds me more of the new Voltron, whose original carnation was also...
IbidTEvOq-c
...quite something.

(The Tammy scenes never fail to make me laugh. I love that gremlin voice.)

Now, this is probably because I didn't really grow up with the show, but I don't mind the look all that much. Take Edna Mode's advice in removing the cape and tie that hair into a braided bun, and it would be pretty sensible for combat.

Vegita-San

07-16-2018, 05:24 PM

I guess without a skirt so short, it had to defy gravity to not show panty shots in the old show, or lack of boobs that's vacuum packed in the armor. It's too hard for boys to see if She-Ra is a woman. :lol:

too be honest, I never liked that in the old show. it always looked weird/bad.

I'd rather she get a full on set of pants rather than odd looking biker shorts. Maybe give her some knee armor too.

Spike Spiegel

07-16-2018, 05:34 PM

no one is angry about it, except the people who like to defend this style of cheap art.

The 'grown men' and women, I might add, can't forget them, are just tired and accepting that shows we loved as kids will get bastardized as adults. i'm more resigned to that now than I was 5 years ago.

found this on twitter. a shame we couldn't have gotten a series like this. an art style kids and adults could get into.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiKHYFeUwAEe9Dc.jpg:large

I greatly dislike 2012 TMNT and what I've seen of Rise, but I don't own the franchise, and I can't stop either of them from airing.

I'm sure there were people who grew up with the Adam West Batman who hate the Keaton films and the animated series.

If nu-She-Ra isn't enough of a qt 3.14 for you, there's plenty of other animated options to scratch your itch for sexy heroines doing cool stuff :trazz:

We know nothing about the story arc, supporting cast, or other aspects of the adaptation. Literally all we have are preview images/proof of concept, and people are sperging out about her being flat chested and not wearing lipstick.

I'm not a prudish feminist type who "critically looks at media for justice in representation" and such, but let's call a spade a spade. Most of the reaction I've seen is about how she looks and her design's inability to activate the fanboys' Swords of Protection.

Vegita-San

07-16-2018, 05:40 PM

If nu-She-Ra isn't enough of a qt 3.14 for you, there's plenty of other animated options to scratch your itch for sexy heroines doing cool stuff :trazz:

We know nothing about the story arc, supporting cast, or other aspects of the adaptation. Literally all we have are preview images/proof of concept, and people are sperging out about her being flat chested and not wearing lipstick.

I'm not a prudish feminist type who "critically looks at media for justice in representation" and such, but let's call a spade a spade. Most of the reaction I've seen is about how she looks and her design's inability to activate the fanboys' Swords of Protection.

That's not what I'm seeing at all.

I'm seeing people complain that the art looks like Crap. And any time that discussion gains traction, people come in and try and derail it with general 'bullet point' trashing arguments. like 'grown men complaining about a kids cartoon'....when it's also women complaining too!

They also can't tell if she's a teen or an adult, it's so badly drawn. Twitter has her pegged at 22 or so by show sources. if that's the case, at least draw her in proportion for an adult human. all the characters look like shrunken down kids! or at least a stylized version of them. not sure what the hell Glimmer is supposed to be.

That's the main complaints i'm seeing. I'd suggest stop hanging around twitter if those are comments your seeing quoted above...smh.

sdp

07-16-2018, 05:42 PM

29 minute rant on SheRa's new look? :lol:

She looks like a boy because of some awful decisions though mixed up, it's not any one specific but a combination of all of them. No chest? Top of the hair doesn't seem long until you focus on it?Thick eye brows? No earrings/lipstick/eye shadow/etc? I guess all of these are not necessary but all these traits in this one character and she looks like a crossdresser or atransexual woman but whatever. One of She-Ra's friends in that preview is also fat and I'm guessing she's a warrior so it seems they're pushing an agenda, but wouldn't this be the perfect show to do exactly this? I can't think of a better one to do it on.

For comparison shots here we have classic she-ra and fan art of what SheRa would look like in the 2002 art style.

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/a8/e5/b5/a8e5b5547eb8f77628d599caa535eb3b--old-cartoons-universe-art.jpg
http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13400000/She-Ra-she-ra-princess-of-power-13489633-447-650.jpg

Original She-Ra looks like Barbie cosplaying though she doesn't look too bad, she can pull off the hero look since it's similar to Wonder Woman. 2002 She-Ra looks awesome though.

Didn't He-Man get two reboots already though? Also another movie coming, that still happening?
I preferred He-man as a child but I did watch some of She-Ra.

I don't care for the design but it seems to go with modern toons and I'm not likely to watch anyway so ...

When I was a kid I rarely caught He-Man reruns anymore but I did catch a few She-Ra every once in a while so I guess I grew up more with She-Ra but neither cartoon was really a staple of my childhood since they were just too 80s for me and I preferred modern 90s cartoons.

He-Man got a continuation/semi-reboot that is more 90s like and he went to space but it didn't last. I had an action figure of He-Man/Skelletor from this cartoon. He also had a reboot in 2002 that apparently was awesome but failed because of bad toy sales.

Well the original He-Man/She-Ra cast looked like they were in their 30s so at least it's an improvement :lol:

Can't tell if she's an adult or a teen?
Gosh, why would an adult need to know that about a fictional character...

People gotta know if drawings are legal or not, DeviantArt doesn't seem to care though!

DO NOT JUDGE THEIR WAIFU OF CHOICE!

plastroncafe

07-16-2018, 05:47 PM

Can't tell if she's an adult or a teen?
Gosh, why would an adult need to know that about a fictional character...

Sumac

07-16-2018, 05:55 PM

Honestly I find this one more feminine. The original She-ra always looked "manly"
Only if you can't see difference between a woman and a man.

This one looks like a tomboy teenager. She only needs some piercings and blue hair to complete the picture. And, BTW, why is she looks like teenager in the first place?
Oh, I forgot, in this day and age celebration of women looking like a women is not "progressive" enough.

But this trend of kiddifying characters is really something odd in general. Though, after teenage Raiden from new Mortal Kombat movie script, I don't think I can be surprised any longer.

She doesn't have to be a Jungian archetype goddess figure with a bimbo physique and the vocabulary of Alan Moore. It's a cartoon aimed at kids, just like the original. I didn't realize She-Ra had fanboys.
Looking like a normal woman, with a normal female figure, is not having a "bimbo physics". Unless you know what women look like only from Tumblr that is. :lol:

If nu-She-Ra isn't enough of a qt 3.14 for you, there's plenty of other animated options to scratch your itch for sexy heroines doing cool stuff :trazz:
I love how you immediately dismiss all criticism as nerds crying that she is "not sexy enough to fap".
This type of deflection is intellectually shallow and pathetic. Please, figure out something better. One can have concerns about art style without it being linked to the desire to have sex with fictional characters.

Spike Spiegel

07-16-2018, 05:56 PM

Can't tell if she's an adult or a teen?
Gosh, why would an adult need to know that about a fictional character...

https://media.giphy.com/media/WuGSL4LFUMQU/giphy.gif

Allio

07-16-2018, 06:05 PM

Can't tell if she's an adult or a teen?
Gosh, why would an adult need to know that about a fictional character...

you ever seen a fandom that would literally celebrate a fictional character's birthday?

Heck, i gotta know if a character can drink alcohol or not.

Autbot_Benz

07-16-2018, 06:07 PM

all the SJW's on twitter are saying the only reason people hate the new redesign because she isn't spank material. :lol:

Spike Spiegel

07-16-2018, 06:07 PM

Looking like a normal woman, with a normal female figure, is not having a "bimbo physics". Unless you know what women look like only from Tumblr that is. :lol:

https://orig00.deviantart.net/b421/f/2007/213/1/a/she_ra_by_franchesco.jpg

Dude, I wish normal women looked like this. :lol:

OG She-Ra was always idealized, just like He-Man.

I love how you immediately dismiss all criticism as nerds crying that she is "not sexy enough to fap".
This type of deflection is intellectually shallow and pathetic. Please, figure out something better. One can have concerns about art style without it being linked to the desire to have sex with fictional characters.

Like I said in an earlier post, I can't stand 2012 TMNT or Rise, I think the designs are ugly as sin...and I have no desire to doink the TMNT. :P

Vegita-San

07-16-2018, 06:08 PM

Well the original He-Man/She-Ra cast looked like they were in their 30s so at least it's an improvement :lol:

People gotta know if drawings are legal or not, DeviantArt doesn't seem to care though!

sigh....

where is the don't feed the troll sign? already got baited by one today elsewhere.....Do we even bring up Bo's race change? nah...

But, apart from not knowing if the the characters are even adults or teens because they are so badly drawn.....Age in Adora's case is important.

Lets say she is a teen in this one. that means she becomes She-Ra long before she becomes an adult. Her Entire History as a horde enforcer is gone. and alot of cool character development with it.

it would also surmise that maybe this isn't a serious show. and may or may not be played more for comedy. just like Thundercats Roar. Supposedly a plot development is her being 'clumsy' with her new found powers. I can only see this as being a comedic foil.

sdp

07-16-2018, 06:08 PM

you ever seen a fandom that would literally celebrate a fictional character's birthday?

Heck, i gotta know if a character can drink alcohol or not.

Oh god, I was guilty of this (https://miscrave.com/articles/birthday-mewtwo/). I thought i was being clever when I ended up seeing tons of sites post the same thing and then I felt embarrased for doing it.

NinjaPug

07-16-2018, 06:22 PM

Went to a He-Man message board to see the reaction to the artwork released today only to find Vegita over there ranting and raving like he does here.

Cure

07-16-2018, 06:25 PM

Are you surprised?

Candy Kappa

07-16-2018, 06:29 PM

What a shocker :lol:

Allio

07-16-2018, 06:33 PM

I wouldn't go so far as to say masculine, but I would say that OG She-Ra was awfully performative feminine.
Like...Beaton's "Strong Female Characters."

I guess I've always had a weird sense of "masculine," I guess it goes back all the way to Xena.

Only if you can't see difference between a woman and a man.

Face Blind...so kind of yeah. or at least it doesn't register with me unless I really, REALLY think about it.

Cure

07-16-2018, 06:36 PM

Are you admitting that your whole life revolves around message boards?!

Allio

07-16-2018, 06:45 PM

It’s really hard for me to put a finger on the artstyle presented. Perhaps it’s because I’m comparing it to Voltron? I know, unfair comparison. I suppose I see it as if Voltron is an “Shounen” anime of sorts it seems like She-ra is trying to be a shoujo style with liberties I suppose…

Character designs I’m not really feeling it. It’s an asthtics thing, it isn’t always for everyone. Like with Kamen Rider you have to wait until you see it all move in style.

As for the style of She-Ra? I’m not feeling it. It feels a little too magical girl for me. And not like something like Mysticons where it’s western magical girl but a magical girl…like if you take off the shoulder pads and cape it looks like an outfit straight from Sailor Moon or Precure. Not exactly something that is a western show…I suppose that is what I’m getting at.

I think a piece of it might be the coloring…it’s a little grading on my eyes…

I don't know. I think I'll have to wait to see it all in motion.

Sumac

07-16-2018, 08:29 PM

https://orig00.deviantart.net/b421/f/2007/213/1/a/she_ra_by_franchesco.jpg

Dude, I wish normal women looked like this. :lol:
So? There is still a difference between figureless teenager and a mature woman.

Like I said in an earlier post, I can't stand 2012 TMNT or Rise, I think the designs are ugly as sin...and I have no desire to doink the TMNT. :P
Except in this case we are talking about female lead character, not a four mutant turtles.

snake

07-16-2018, 08:31 PM

I think she looks pretty hot tbh. But in a “are traps gay?” kinda way.

Spike Spiegel

07-16-2018, 09:21 PM

Coola Yagami

07-16-2018, 10:42 PM

http://www.hemanworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Alyssa-Loughran.jpg

So I'm actually a filthy millennial whose only real exposure to the Masters of the Universe mythology came from the short lived Mike Young Productions He-Man show from 2002, where Cam Clarke was the voice of Prince Adam/He-Man. I remember reading that if that show had continued, they would have introduced the She-Ra character.

For those who were there in the 80s, was there a lot of difference between the He-Man and She-Ra shows? Did she have any particular special lore? What are the expectations people have for a revival?

Hell yeah it had a lot of lore.

The premise was also kinda different since Hordak was more accomplished than Skeletor. In He-Man, Skeletor was trying to conquer the Royal Palace, or gain the secrets of Grayskull. Trying.

On She-Ra however, Hordak has conquered most of Etheria, and She-Ra leads a small rebellion in an attempt to hopefully overthrow him and save their world.

Both shows were very similar in tone and characters. Both shows had that annoying 'cute' sidekick character and incompetent henchmen.

Honestly She-Ra was kinda/sorta He-Man season 3. Since He-Man was done, all the newer toy characters would only be able to appear on She-Ra. And the episodes where Skeletor and Hordak would face off were always the best.

PApagreg

07-16-2018, 11:48 PM

I love how you immediately dismiss all criticism as nerds crying that she is "not sexy enough to fap".
This type of deflection is intellectually shallow and pathetic. Please, figure out something better. One can have concerns about art style without it being linked to the desire to have sex with fictional characters.
[SPOILER]Like I said in an earlier post, I can't stand 2012 TMNT or Rise, I think the designs are ugly as sin...and I have no desire to doink the TMNT. :P
Except in this case we are talking about female lead character, not a four mutant turtles.
I love how you call Space Cowboy shallow and pathetic for thinking most of the criticism for She Ra's designs is because people don't want to bone her but in the next reply you insinuate that people should have the desire to boink female lead characters

On Topic, I like the design but this is coming from a guy who follows a blog called "animemangamusclegirls", its a bit boyish sure but I don't mind it, I mean modern western animation isn't short on feminine main characters so a little bit of variety is welcome.

Autbot_Benz

07-16-2018, 11:58 PM

Spike Spiegel

07-17-2018, 12:08 AM

On Topic, I like the design but this is coming from a guy who follows a blog called "animemangamusclegirls", its a bit boyish sure but I don't mind it, I mean modern western animation isn't short on feminine main characters so a little bit of variety is welcome.

https://orig00.deviantart.net/d304/f/2009/009/c/8/she_ra_fan_art_by_iskafiy.jpg

I have similar tastes; Jasper (Steven Universe), Zarya and Brigitte (Overwatch) and Susan Strong (Adventure Time) come to mind when I think of recent popular characters with that kind of aesthetic. It was also what attracted me to Legend of Korra. In the 2018 Avengers comic, Marvel's pushing a larger, more imposing version of She-Hulk (albeit without her original personality) right now, and that's pretty neat, too.

Compared to those, I'd say the new She-Ra design is rather middle of the road, to be honest.

PApagreg

07-17-2018, 12:25 AM

https://orig00.deviantart.net/d304/f/2009/009/c/8/she_ra_fan_art_by_iskafiy.jpg

I have similar tastes; Jasper (Steven Universe), Zarya and Brigitte (Overwatch) and Susan Strong (Adventure Time) come to mind when I think of recent popular characters with that kind of aesthetic. It was also what attracted me to Legend of Korra. In the 2018 Avengers comic, Marvel's pushing a larger, more imposing version of She-Hulk (albeit without her original personality) right now, and that's pretty neat, too.

Compared to those, I'd say the new She-Ra design is rather middle of the road, to be honest.

I also gotta give a shout out to the Scotsman daughters, especially Flora
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/244/029/f6c.png
that's twitter defending man ra in a nutshell
I mean to be fair there are a lot of people who think She ra's design is bad because its not their fap material.

Sumac

07-17-2018, 04:02 AM

I think she looks pretty hot tbh. But in a “are traps gay?” kinda way.
You won't be considered "progressive" any time soon. :lol::lol::lol:

I love how you call Space Cowboy shallow and pathetic for thinking most of the criticism for She Ra's designs is because people don't want to bone her but in the next reply you insinuate that people should have the desire to boink female lead characters
No, my dear, I "insinuate", that there is a difference between four mutant turtles and a female heroine.

No-one will suspect that TMNT designs are criticized because they are not sexy enough and no-one will deflect criticism directed at them as: "WHAAA!! HORUBLE MANCHILDREN EERYWHURE!"
Context is not a just a complicated word.

I mean to be fair there are a lot of people who think She ra's design is bad because its not their fap material.
And it somehow makes it immune to all criticism, right?
Like Rey being a woman-lead in the big franchise makes her immune to all kind of criticism?
:roll::P

ProactiveMan

07-17-2018, 04:26 AM

If you don’t like the design of this show, feel content in the fact that hundreds of two-bit journalists can feed their families tonight (or alcoholism) on yet another round of patronising articles that few people of consequence will read. Without your sourness and pedantry these poor individuals would have no way of paying back the money they borrowed buying their way into the crowded, degraded field that they pig-headedly decided to enter against all better judgement and advice from their friends and family (if any).

Here’s to you, you beautiful weirdos. Keep ‘em flying!

Allio

07-17-2018, 06:05 AM

The worst part of this? There are just people on both sides of the argument are just provoking the other side. This isn't a situation where one side is going to be a winner or not. Just a bunch of dumbasses fanning the flames to get a rise out of another. Some people that are "fighting" aren't even in it for a purpose other then being a bitch to someone else.

The best course of action is that with time people will move on with their lives. The people that want to watch the show will watch the show and the ones that don't won't

Humans are really pitiful creatures

Vegita-San

07-17-2018, 07:20 AM

Humans are really pitiful creatures

you are surprised, why?

trying to criticize the designs gets people trying to make you angry. imagine having so little a life that this is how you get your jollies.

I really do wish I could give up social media these days. nothing but 50% jerks.

plastroncafe

07-17-2018, 08:11 AM

There's not liking the character design, and then there's not liking a character design by listing all of the ways in which She-Ra doesn't live up to their standards of femininity.

The former is a matter of taste, the latter creeps ever closer to My Anaconda Don't Want None territory.

I can see where someone might not be interested in the line work. That's one of the reasons why I've never watched the original Teen Titans cartoon, I just don't like the art style.

but when the dislike of the art style comes complete with a list of all of the ways in which this female character isn't feminine enough to a person's liking, that's just harder to defend as anything other than an attempt at Lemongrabbing one's way back to relevance.

Again, I highly doubt anyone on this board is the Target demographic for this television show. And I think a lot of the anger I'm seeing online, both here and elsewhere, stems from the fact that people who have lived their entire lives being the Target demographic can't handle the fact that their opinions don't actually matter anymore.
And they are butt mad about it.
29 minutes of ranting about a handful of stills from a cartoon we haven't even seen move yet?
Oof.

I will say this though, it's been really entertaining to see people list all of the ways they believe a proper female of the species should look and dress.
Really hammers home How Deeply ingrained male as default is for some folks.

Spike Spiegel

07-17-2018, 08:32 AM

but when the dislike of the art style comes complete with a list of all of the ways in which this female character isn't feminine enough to a person's liking, that's just harder to defend as anything other than an attempt at Lemongrabbing one's way back to relevance.

My first impression was that she looks similar to some of the characters from the new Voltron or Avatar. Nothing about it smacks of laziness or incompetence. It's certainly more complex than the noodle figures in programs like Adventure Time, OK K.O., and Regular Show.

If the art style was exactly the same, but within the context of that same style, the character design had smaller eyes in relation to the head (more adult proportions), a wider waist-to-hip ratio, and a more distinct bustline, I don't think there would be nearly the same amount of complaints. It's awfully transparent IMHO. People think she should look like a Frank Cho drawing or something. For a children's cartoon aimed at American/Western audiences (as opposed to, say, anime), excessive fanservice is not really necessary.

I think OG She-Ra looked more distinctly feminine and adult, but that was a different time in the animation industry. Character designs are a lot simpler and more streamlined now. Times and trends change.

Candy Kappa

07-17-2018, 08:52 AM

I'm really excited to see more character designs, since the art team have a certain freedom the poor souls at Hanna-Barbera did not have.

The cast don't have to be the same buxom pin-up model with the same go-go boots and a different hat to tell them apart, or the same musclebound beefcake or a cartoon creature. And Adora and the She-Ra identity can be loo differently like He-Man and Adam was in the 200x cartoon. Hair extensions and a tiara isn't the best disguise... Still better then Adam taking off his clothes, but not by much :lol:

Sumac

07-17-2018, 09:13 AM

I will say this though, it's been really entertaining to see people list all of the ways they believe a proper female of the species should look and dress.
Really hammers home How Deeply ingrained male as default is for some folks.
No, it really hammers impotent attempts to troll some people by pretending that all criticism is about sexism only.

My personal criticism, that design looks uninspiredly generic and there are too few mature women as heroes to look up to.

Also, funny you are saying that "male is default for many people" despite supporting 3rd wave feminism which is not about women being seen as equal human beings, but about women being seen "not worse than men" (up to and including that males can define what womanhood is and appropriate it, when they feel like it).
I wish you could have a bout of cognitive dissonance about it but...:roll::lol:

Candy Kappa

07-17-2018, 09:40 AM

Perfect :lol:

https://78.media.tumblr.com/b9d24dc33e8b5fbe0a51adbb4f64264d/tumblr_inline_pbzcnsxTDv1ta5q6w_1280.png

picture was huuuge

plastroncafe

07-17-2018, 09:41 AM

Oh goodness, that's perfect!
Well memed!

ABrown

07-17-2018, 09:47 AM

Allio

07-17-2018, 09:51 AM

Perfect :lol:

https://78.media.tumblr.com/b9d24dc33e8b5fbe0a51adbb4f64264d/tumblr_inline_pbzcnsxTDv1ta5q6w_1280.png

picture was huuuge

See that’s the difference between western cartoons and Japanese anime fans

Flat is justice

plastroncafe

07-17-2018, 09:54 AM

Here's what I'm curious about. What is the show going to end up being? Is it going to be an action cartoon? Is it going to be more Teen Titans Go garbage? Is it going to be something a little more girly (which I absolutely wouldn't have a problem with. Though it just might not necessarily be something that I would be into)? Or will it be something different like Kim Possible (which for the record would be absolutely wonderful, as I'm a huge KP fan).

From the looks of the Entertainment Weekly article it's going to be a long form action-adventure series. Probably splitting the difference between friendship is Magic and that DC girls cartoon.

I highly recommend nimona, the graphic novel by the showrunner.

Coola Yagami

07-17-2018, 10:37 AM

I wonder if He-Man or Eternia will be referenced, maybe season 2. Will she still be evil in the beginning? Will she still be Adora? Are they still a rebellion fighting for their planet that is mostly conquered by Hordak?

I think most people don't care about the design cause a lot of you are 'She-Ra who?' If this was a new Wonder Woman or possibly Xena cartoon, there would have been universal outrage.

Similar to Iron Man 3 where only the comic book fans were pissed at the Mandarin reveal. But had The Dark Knight revealed that Joker was just some coked up bum some evil organization found and said 'here's 20 bucks, dress like a clown, laugh a lot and.. idk throw pies at people. Just keep Batman busy while the real bad guys plan'. There would have been insane outrage greater than the SS version.

Vegita-San

07-17-2018, 10:55 AM

yep.

The only people who care about the design now are either die hard fans, or craptastic SJW's who like to ire people with descriptions like 'angry man babies' that they would rile against if applied to anyone else.

PApagreg

07-17-2018, 10:55 AM

No, my dear, I "insinuate", that there is a difference between four mutant turtles and a female heroine.

Whats the difference, are you saying female heroes can't be mutants or ugly.

No-one will suspect that TMNT designs are criticized because they are not sexy enough and no-one will deflect criticism directed at them as: "WHAAA!! HORUBLE MANCHILDREN EERYWHURE!"
Context is not a just a complicated word.
Thats because the TMNT weren't meant to be designed as sexy also when someone says "I don't feel like doinking on the new TMNT designs and you reply "There is a difference between four mutant turtles and a female heroine" then your reply doesn't really look good "Context" wise.

And it somehow makes it immune to all criticism, right?
Like Rey being a woman-lead in the big franchise makes her immune to all kind of criticism?
:roll::P

We literally know nothing about this adaption of She-Ra, she can be a good character or a **** character. You don't know, I don't know nobody knows. and only time well tell.

My personal criticism, that design looks uninspiredly generic and there are too few mature women as heroes to look up to.

The original version of She Ra was basically "He-man for girls" so its not like the original version was super creative. Also what do you mean to look up to, why do you need to look up to heroes aren't you already an adult.

Sumac

07-17-2018, 11:20 AM

Whats the difference, are you saying female heroes can't be mutants or ugly.
No.
I don't recommend to put words in my mouth. It doesn't make your flimsy arguments look better.

Thats because the TMNT weren't meant to be designed as sexy also when someone says "I don't feel like doinking on the new TMNT designs and you reply "There is a difference between four mutant turtles and a female heroine" then your reply doesn't really look good "Context" wise.
Actually it is, because, if you start criticizing TMNT designs as being ugly very few people will cry: "MANCHULDREN!! VURGIN NOLIVERS!!".

We literally know nothing about this adaption of She-Ra, she can be a good character or a **** character. You don't know, I don't know nobody knows. and only time well tell.
If some idiots criticize character because she is not sexy enough, it doesn't mean that absolutely all criticism about her design or story is automatically invalid.
Maybe this time, this simple idea will invade your mind?

The original version of She Ra was basically "He-man for girls" so its not like the original version was super creative. Also what do you mean to look up to, why do you need to look up to heroes aren't you already an adult.
And He-Man was epitome of uniquness, right?

Let's try this again, maybe this time you will get it:
New She-Ra design looks rather boring, and typical for today cartoons.
And I didn't said "I want to look up to heroes". I am interested that girls might look at her and say, "hey mature women can be awesome too".

I thought, caring about what future generations will pick up from media, was an important point for being a "progressive" (LOL), but apparently when you trying to say something like that, "progressives" in question fail to understand what do you mean.
Why I am not surprised? :lol:

Papenbrook

07-17-2018, 12:07 PM

PApagreg

07-17-2018, 02:22 PM

No.
I don't recommend to put words in my mouth. It doesn't make your flimsy arguments look better.
I didn't, I asked you a question

Actually it is, because, if you start criticizing TMNT designs as being ugly very few people will cry: "MANCHULDREN!! VURGIN NOLIVERS!!".
Like I said before TMNT weren't design to look sexy or attractive hence why nobody would call those people "MANCHULDREN" also in the quote below you admit there are some people who are criticizing her design for not being sexy so there are actual manchildren who think that way.

If some idiots criticize character because she is not sexy enough, it doesn't mean that absolutely all criticism about her design or story is automatically invalid.
Maybe this time, this simple idea will invade your mind?
We literally know nothing about the story so there isn't anything to criticize

And He-Man was epitome of uniquness, right?

Can't tell if this is a legit question but to answer not really, dude is just Conan with a bowl cut.

Let's try this again, maybe this time you will get it:
New She-Ra design looks rather boring, and typical for today cartoons.
And old She-Ra looks typical for cartoons of the 80s its almost like artistic trends change from decade to decade crazy right?
And I didn't said "I want to look up to heroes". I am interested that girls might look at her and say, "hey mature women can be awesome too".

I mean Wonder Woman got her own movie so girls can look at her for "Mature Woman" also there are tons of adult characters who are like that in animation. Characters like Lin Beifong, Nicole Watterson, Eileen,

I thought, caring about what future generations will pick up from media, was an important point for being a "progressive" (LOL), but apparently when you trying to say something like that, "progressives" in question fail to understand what do you mean.
Why I am not surprised? :lol:

I don't think "a character's age" is the be all end all of what future generations are going to pick up when they are still kids. Zuko, Aang, and Finn aren't adults and they have some of the best character arcs in animation, Bakugo from My Hero Academia has people making videos on his character development and he is still only 16. What I want future generations to pick up are the trails and tribulations these characters go through, how the change over time, and how they react to different situations. Those are things that I think are top priority when it comes to things the future generation should pick up meanwhile I consider a character's age to be bottom tier

neatoman

07-17-2018, 03:15 PM

Coola Yagami

07-17-2018, 03:26 PM

Pieces of concept art:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiRRg43U0AEwIYY.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/YingjueChen/status/1019029194615820290?p=v)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiPzV2NVQAArXko.jpg:large (https://mobile.twitter.com/YingjueChen/status/1018925581411368960/photo/1)

By Y. Chen.

So He-Man will be in it?

Also why is everyone sexualizing She-Ra? There's a difference between her looking like a woman, and OMG FAP. Stop it. You stop that **** right now.

And granted the turtles were never meant to be considered sexy (I hope) but as main character heroes, there is a certain cuteness/attractiveness expected. Case in point, the complaints of how ugly they looked in the Bay films.

I mean unless the theme of the show is literally this hero is gross, or this hero is awesome despite being gross, most main characters are expected to look a certain way. Stop throwing sex into it.

Vegita-San

07-17-2018, 03:30 PM

So He-Man will be in it?

Also why is everyone sexualizing She-Ra? There's a difference between her looking like a woman, and OMG FAP. Stop it. You stop that **** right now.

that was one troll throwing the whole thread off topic, and everyone else picked up on it.

before that, everyone was practically agreeing that the designs sucked. even people who don't normally see eye to eye on things. notice the quick deflection.

newfan

07-17-2018, 03:31 PM

I wondered if that was He-man too, looks like a young him but could easily be another character.
So, was her age confirmed for this show? I could see them going with a teen rather than adult if not.

Shark_Blade

07-17-2018, 05:33 PM

No idea who Shera and heman are but cool, new cartoon.

Autbot_Benz

07-17-2018, 05:34 PM

No idea who Shera and heman are but cool, new cartoon.

have you been living under a rock? She Ra and He man are famous cartoons to sell toys from the 80's.

https://i.imgur.com/kocY9WO.png

Coola Yagami

07-17-2018, 06:29 PM

have you been living under a rock? She Ra and He man are famous cartoons to sell toys from the 80's.

https://i.imgur.com/kocY9WO.png

They were the big toy fad before turtlemania took over.

Sumac

07-17-2018, 08:21 PM

I didn't, I asked you a question
You did, by implying what my statement was, without understanding what it was. GJ!!

Like I said before TMNT weren't design to look sexy or attractive hence why nobody would call those people "MANCHULDREN" also in the quote below you admit there are some people who are criticizing her design for not being sexy so there are actual manchildren who think that way.
So you are repeating the same stuff I've said twice already.
At least you are repeating something good.

We literally know nothing about the story so there isn't anything to criticize
And some people say, I have a very literal mind. :roll:

Can't tell if this is a legit question but to answer not really, dude is just Conan with a bowl cut.
I...have no words. :lol::D

And old She-Ra looks typical for cartoons of the 80s its almost like artistic trends change from decade to decade crazy right?
You can modernize design without sacrificing everything that it was before in the process. Of course, it requires some creativity, not that arm-chair "artists" would know it. Not that people with agenda would care about it.

I mean Wonder Woman got her own movie so girls can look at her for "Mature Woman" also there are tons of adult characters who are like that in animation. Characters like Lin Beifong, Nicole Watterson, Eileen,
Tons.
Listed 4.
:lol:
I can't.

What you obviously have missed is that I was trying to say, that there should be more mature looking women heroines in media. One (1) Wonder Woman is not enough, Avatar universe is dead, and you really want to use THAT as an example of "mature female character"? I barely can figure what it's supposed to be, though it reminds me of some drug induced hallucination. (https://i.imgur.com/bBiCgo1.png) And who is Eileen?

I don't think "a character's age" is the be all end all of what future generations are going to pick up when they are still kids. Zuko, Aang, and Finn aren't adults and they have some of the best character arcs in animation, Bakugo from My Hero Academia has people making videos on his character development and he is still only 16. What I want future generations to pick up are the trails and tribulations these characters go through, how the change over time, and how they react to different situations. Those are things that I think are top priority when it comes to things the future generation should pick up meanwhile I consider a character's age to be bottom tier
I am not saying otherwise, though there should be characters of all ages as a positive examples.

Coola Yagami

07-17-2018, 09:59 PM

Isn't Eileen from last of us?

Sumac

07-18-2018, 04:18 AM

Isn't Eileen from last of us?
Heroine from the Last of Us is called Ellie.

Spike Spiegel

07-18-2018, 09:58 AM

You can modernize design without sacrificing everything that it was before in the process. Of course, it requires some creativity, not that arm-chair "artists" would know it. Not that people with agenda would care about it.

You should post some of your art and designs, o wise one. How would you revamp She-Ra for 2018?

Vegita-San

07-18-2018, 10:04 AM

You should post some of your art and designs, o wise one. How would you revamp She-Ra for 2018?

one can know what one likes without having any talent of their own.

and one can also recognize bad stylized art without having any talent as well.

Coola Yagami

07-18-2018, 10:45 AM

one can know what one likes without having any talent of their own.

and one can also recognize bad stylized art without having any talent as well.

I agree. That's like saying the Green Lantern movie sucked, go make your own then and show us how it's done.

plastroncafe

07-18-2018, 11:21 AM

What's that saying?
A Critic is someone who knows how to get there, but can't drive the car.

PApagreg

07-18-2018, 11:53 AM

You did, by implying what my statement was, without understanding what it was. GJ!!
Okay I said "Are you saying female Heroines can't be mutants or ugly" which would imply a question, for someone who spouts out "Context" I don't think you know what the word means.

So you are repeating the same stuff I've said twice already.
At least you are repeating something good.
Most people who finished middle school would call that "Quoting" hence the Quotation marks, you know I beginning to think you use words you don't know just to make yourself sound smarter

And some people say, I have a very literal mind. :roll:
You said "If some idiots criticize character because she is not sexy enough, it doesn't mean that absolutely all criticism about her design or story is automatically invalid.", so how is me saying "We literally know nothing about the story so there isn't anything to criticize" taking this literally.

I...have no words. :lol::D
To be fair that was a perfect description.

You can modernize design without sacrificing everything that it was before in the process. Of course, it requires some creativity, not that arm-chair "artists" would know it. Not that people with agenda would care about it.
Its not really "sacrificing everything" sure the made She Ra a bit bulky but she does have similar clothing to her original counterpart. They took the basis of She Ra and made their own spin into it which I would say had some creativity to it.
Tons.
Listed 4.
:lol:
I can't.

What you obviously have missed is that I was trying to say, that there should be more mature looking women heroines in media. One (1) Wonder Woman is not enough,
Okay how about Gamora, Carol from OK KO, Princess Bubblegum, Susan Strong, Mantis, The Crystal Gems, Captain Marvel, The Wasp, Beakley from the new Ducktales, Ranger Tabes, Princess Allura from the new Voltron show, and some of the cast from MLP FIP.

Avatar universe is dead,
So, you use She Ra as an example for "Mature Female Characters" and that show only lasted for 2 years

and you really want to use THAT as an example of "mature female character"? I barely can figure what it's supposed to be, though it reminds me of some drug induced hallucination. (https://i.imgur.com/bBiCgo1.png)
Nicole Watterson has more character in her than pretty much all the cast from She Ra

I am not saying otherwise, though there should be characters of all ages as a positive examples.
There are, I just listed them also how many positive kid/teen characters were there in the 80s

Spike Spiegel

07-18-2018, 01:08 PM

So much weapons grade autism in this thread.

How about some predictions? References/allusions people have picked up so far? An abridged list of essential episodes of the original series for those who are interested?

plastroncafe

07-18-2018, 01:35 PM

See photos from the new She-Ra series helmed by Noelle Stevenson (http://ew.com/tv/2018/07/16/she-ra-see-photos-noelle-stevenson/) (ew.com)

I was really interested in finding what my next project would be, and finding something epic, serialized, action-adventure, fantasy, sci-fi…all of the things I wanted to do. - Noelle Stevens on what drew her to She-Ra

Like in the original 1985 series, our protagonist, Adora, was kidnapped as a baby and raised with the Evil Horde, only to discover her true identity later in life. “We’ve really started from the same starting point where the original show started from because Adora has such a great backstory,” Stevenson says. “She’s separated from her family as a baby, she’s sent to another planet, she’s adopted by the villain overlord and raised by him in this evil army. She’s been raised to believe that the villains are doing the right thing and that the Princesses are the evil ones. And so we follow her as she has this crisis of faith; she’s been very sheltered her whole life and as she starts to experience the world, she realizes that there’s more to this than she knew, that maybe there’s a reason they were called the Evil Horde,” Stevenson laughs, “that maybe they were evil.”

Utrommaniac

07-18-2018, 01:43 PM

"Ahh that's where I recognized Noelle Stevenson from--there's going to be a movie of Nimona?!"

Good of them to address the "The Evil Hoard is...EVIL?!" thing :lol:

plastroncafe

07-18-2018, 01:45 PM

"Ahh that's where I recognized Noelle Stevenson from--there's going to be a movie of Nimona?!"

Good of them to address the "The Evil Hoard is...EVIL?!" thing :lol:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-25-2016/GD1Tg-.gif

Utrommaniac

07-18-2018, 02:17 PM

The thing that I think about how this is an adaptation of a spin-off of a show whose main character's "disguise" is having less clothes on than he started, and everyone dresses like they're stepping in or out of a fantasy-themed disco from the 70's. There's a reason why the "He-Man Sings" thing was a meme.

This almost looks like it's going to be chaste in comparison.

I like that it looks like they'll really, really dig into her backstory and what that means for her future. That she has to turn against the person who raised her and his conquest. From what I know of the original show, it wasn't really focused on. "Oh...sh*t...I guess they're called the Evil Hoard for a reason. Off to save the planet, suddenly master the powers I have for some reason, and meet my biological parents on my smoker-voiced pegasus!"

The story of her coming out from being sheltered and going out into the Great Unknown looks pretty great.

Shark_Blade

07-18-2018, 05:52 PM

have you been living under a rock? She Ra and He man are famous cartoons to sell toys from the 80's.

https://i.imgur.com/kocY9WO.png

This is literally the first time I’ve seen She Ra. I’m glad they reboot this series, I probably wouldn’t have known this character my whole life. She seems like a warrior Wonder Woman type? I’m excited for this show.

I saw people’s angry comments how she’s made by a boyish lesbian so She Ra also now looks like a boyish lesbian, how her chest is now flat and she wears shorts under her skirt... lol just ridiculous comments.

https://i.imgur.com/FBo3iC7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pNrUeJs.jpg

Utrommaniac

07-18-2018, 06:07 PM

sdp

07-18-2018, 06:14 PM

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This girl is not happy, and I see her point. I like when girl heroes have muscles too btw, but She-Ra doesn't look like that. This thread is already too political but why is She-Ra's friend fat? Isn't she supposed to be a warrior too? How does that make sense?

She-Man and He-Boy does seem a bit hilarious but I think it could be worse like what Thundercats got, the art style is fine, if the episodes aren't full of propaganda then it could work. Could because He-Man/She-Ra is not a concept that works very well IMO at least in modern times.

Coola Yagami

07-18-2018, 06:20 PM

I don't even see the problem; I think she looks cute. And I can bet you that not one of those people have given much thought to the He-Man Universe for decades until this point.

Seems to be a recurring event with...every 80's show reboot that's been coming out of the woodwork these days.

Cuz they keep rebooting it wrong.

Plus on the content of boobs since people keep bringing it up, She-Ra didn't even have huge boobs. She just had a normal adult woman's chest cause very very few women of her height and build are 100% flat chested.

I swear boobs scare SJWs.

Spike Spiegel

07-18-2018, 06:57 PM

Cuz they keep rebooting it wrong.

Plus on the content of boobs since people keep bringing it up, She-Ra didn't even have huge boobs. She just had a normal adult woman's chest cause very very few women of her height and build are 100% flat chested.

I swear boobs scare SJWs.

I've noticed this with Marvel's recent portrayals of She-Hulk and Captain Marvel in particular.

From the icy depths of 4Chan, here is a revised design of She-Ra in the new show's style. I guarantee the complaints would not be as vocal if the character looked like this:

https://78.media.tumblr.com/b1006d56052b3f09868c6416715f4a00/tumblr_pc36f1F78F1s027l5o1_1280.png

Shark_Blade

07-18-2018, 07:14 PM

Utrommaniac

07-18-2018, 07:17 PM

Wasn't she already 16 to begin with even in the original show?

MsMarvelDuckie

07-18-2018, 09:08 PM

Considering she was Adam's twin and he was 20-ish, I'd say no.

Coola Yagami

07-18-2018, 10:35 PM

Sonny Straight, Funimation voice actor (Krillin, Maes Hughes) confirmed She-Ra will be 14 this time around.

Coola Yagami

07-18-2018, 10:36 PM

Considering she was Adam's twin and he was 20-ish, I'd say no.

They never went into ages on the show, but they were young adults.

Vegita-San

07-19-2018, 12:46 AM

I swear boobs scare SJWs.

better not show them stuff like this then.
https://scontent.fewr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37320873_1972912729406574_2546570462956093440_o.jp g?_nc_cat=0&oh=dc8a92adf046b357214b0e481aaa92f0&oe=5BD67127

Vegita-San

07-19-2018, 12:47 AM

Sonny Straight, Funimation voice actor (Krillin, Maes Hughes) confirmed She-Ra will be 14 this time around.

I thought it was confirmed on twitter by show staff she was supposed to be 22?
this to me sounds like course correction for art comments.

in the original they where at least that age.

Sumac

07-19-2018, 03:47 AM

Okay I said "Are you saying female Heroines can't be mutants or ugly" which would imply a question, for someone who spouts out "Context" I don't think you know what the word means.
I've spent two posts to explain why I have answered like I did and you still didn't get it.
:lol:

Most people who finished middle school would call that "Quoting" hence the Quotation marks, you know I beginning to think you use words you don't know just to make yourself sound smarter
I've pointed out that you are literally parroting my points and now you full of indignant displeasure about that I've pointed it out.
Cool. What else can I say? Do you always argue when people pointing out your actions? Like if you go to the shop, do you lecture manager when they say that you've taken milk from the shelf or something? :D

You said "If some idiots criticize character because she is not sexy enough, it doesn't mean that absolutely all criticism about her design or story is automatically invalid.", so how is me saying "We literally know nothing about the story so there isn't anything to criticize" taking this literally.
I've meant that if her story will be criticized it doesn't make all critics sexists.
I've provided an idea how this situation can (and most likely will) develop in the future. What is so hard to understand about it?
Do you need me to literally explain every single point I make in the tiniest detail to figure out what do I mean?

My English might not be the best, but at this point I think the problem is with something else.

To be fair that was a perfect description.
Do you always have a penchant to answer rhetorical questions?

Its not really "sacrificing everything" sure the made She Ra a bit bulky but she does have similar clothing to her original counterpart. They took the basis of She Ra and made their own spin into it which I would say had some creativity to it.
They have turned grown up woman into teenager.
Such creativity.
For your literal mind I'll explain: it's not about clothes. It's about concept.

Okay how about Gamora, Carol from OK KO, Princess Bubblegum, Susan Strong, Mantis, The Crystal Gems, Captain Marvel, The Wasp, Beakley from the new Ducktales, Ranger Tabes, Princess Allura from the new Voltron show, and some of the cast from MLP FIP.
Most of those examples look like an abstract designs and it's hard to figure out their age by looking at them.
But at least now I know that you like cartoons. :P

And I don't think ponies are valid to anything. :lol:

So, you use She Ra as an example for "Mature Female Characters" and that show only lasted for 2 years
I've never said that She-Ra is a modern example.
That takes us back to the "literal mind" thing.

Nicole Watterson has more character in her than pretty much all the cast from She Ra
Doesn't make her look less like a LSD trip glitch.

There are, I just listed them also how many positive kid/teen characters were there in the 80s
Please, into English translate it. :D

Candy Kappa

07-19-2018, 05:34 AM

I've noticed this with Marvel's recent portrayals of She-Hulk and Captain Marvel in particular.

From the icy depths of 4Chan, here is a revised design of She-Ra in the new show's style. I guarantee the complaints would not be as vocal if the character looked like this:

https://78.media.tumblr.com/b1006d56052b3f09868c6416715f4a00/tumblr_pc36f1F78F1s027l5o1_1280.png

Of course that's a 4chan redesign. Fun fact, when I wrote She-Ra's skirt was so short it had to defy gravity to not show her panties. That was a deliberate decision by the animators, there would be no panty shots of She-Ra in the original show.

And here we see it, I'm genuinely surprised the creeps didn't give her a camel toe to go with her bustier corset :lol:

This thread is already too political but why is She-Ra's friend fat? Isn't she supposed to be a warrior too? How does that make sense?

Who is fat? Are there new images cause I did not see any fat characters...

Or are you referring to Glimmer? Cause she does not look fat, she looks built like a wrestler or strongman type fighter.

plastroncafe

07-19-2018, 08:20 AM

The muscle popping bodybuilder is not as strong as the barrel-chested World's Strongest Man competitor.
The former is all bark, the latter is all bite.

All one has to do is Google American Olympic Female Weightlifter.

But please, continue to tell us how exactly it is that the character designs for this new show are displeasing to you for reasons that don't involve your boner.

AT-Man

07-19-2018, 10:17 AM

I don't like the biker shorts + skirt, one or the other would be better. That 4chan drawing is hella good. I don't have problem with She-Ra being 16 or whatever, but I think all the other portrayals of her and He-Man have been adults in their 30s.

Spike Spiegel

07-19-2018, 10:36 AM

I don't have problem with She-Ra being 16 or whatever, but I think all the other portrayals of her and He-Man have been adults in their 30s.

Something I've been thinking about regarding OG She-Ra's generation of cartoons vs the 2010s:

He-Man, She-Ra, Duke and Scarlett from G.I. Joe, the Real Ghostbusters, the Superfriends, Optimus Prime, even the Fred Wolf TMNT--characters like these were older role models who kids were supposed to want to grow into, right? I think the same is also true of the 1990s DCAU portrayals of Batman and Superman.

More recently, with cartoons like the 2003 Teen Titans, Avatar/Korra, Adventure Time, Ben 10, Miraculous Ladybug, Mysticons, and the new, seemingly younger She-Ra, the focus seems to be the youthful relatability of the characters. Instead of being akin to a trustworthy teacher or big brother/sister, these cartoon heroes are like surrogate playmates/peers for the kids and teens who watch their adventures.

PApagreg

07-19-2018, 11:01 AM

Something I've been thinking about regarding OG She-Ra's generation of cartoons vs the 2010s:

He-Man, She-Ra, Duke and Scarlett from G.I. Joe, the Real Ghostbusters, the Superfriends, Optimus Prime, even the Fred Wolf TMNT--characters like these were older role models who kids were supposed to want to grow into, right? I think the same is also true of the 1990s DCAU portrayals of Batman and Superman.

More recently, with cartoons like the 2003 Teen Titans, Avatar/Korra, Adventure Time, Ben 10, Miraculous Ladybug, Mysticons, and the new, seemingly younger She-Ra, the focus seems to be the youthful relatability of the characters. Instead of being akin to a trustworthy teacher or big brother/sister, these cartoon heroes are like surrogate playmates/peers for the kids and teens who watch their adventures.
Also nowadays most kid cartoons are focusing on character arcs and development which while not impossible, hard to do with a Y7/PG rating. Hence why Bojack Horseman, Castlevania, Lastman and Aggretsuko are either Tv14 or MA

Spike Spiegel

07-19-2018, 11:48 AM

Also nowadays most kid cartoons are focusing on character arcs and development which while not impossible, hard to do with a Y7/PG rating. Hence why Bojack Horseman, Castlevania, Lastman and Aggretsuko are either Tv14 or MA

Yeah, there's not a lot of "all ages" animated content these days.

This She-Ra parody is definitely for adults.

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Allio

07-19-2018, 12:33 PM

Now I think for She-ra I feel like it would be better had She-ra's transformation had been more adult. Like her normal self being 14 and her transformed self being in her 20's

I always liked that about the reboot He-man where he changed as he did. At least that way there was no way anyone would recognize him.

Granted features wise it is still pretty different between She-ra and her normal self.

plastroncafe

07-19-2018, 01:12 PM

It's my understanding that this was the original concept for He-Man, which was basically a high fantasy on Shazam.

BabyTurtles

07-19-2018, 01:18 PM

As a women myself...I don't really care for the redesign.....:(

The outfit doesn't look that well put together to me....I get the biker shorts, but I feel they could have tied in everything a little better....?

I also would have liked her to look more feminine....but mostly cause I feel it's more fun seeing feminine girls with super strength~ It's like.." I'm a girly girl but I can lift this mountain and still look fabulous~" :D

Kinda like Allura from the new Volrton~ She has some noticeable super strength (and can kick butt) but here she is rocking a cute pink outfit and letting mice braid her hair~ (Super glad they didn't change her pink colors in the reboot)

but that's my opinion~ :)

If she looked like Princess Amethyst from the DC short that would have been fun~ ( at least for me)
https://banner2.kisspng.com/20180407/qrq/kisspng-amethyst-princess-of-gemworld-dc-comics-amethyst-5ac8884e1786a0.2043014115230915340964.jpg

sdp

07-19-2018, 01:58 PM

Saying the person is attracted to a cartoon doesn't make it true or a valid argument. I have standards (Shampoo anime waifu plz!) I'm glad women are going against these designs as wells as that narrative doesn't work anymore. I keep an open mind with designs and like interesting takes, Rise looks terrible but I'm willing to give it a chance and see what good can come from all these different takes. There's no need for identity politics in kids cartoons, this show should be for little girls to like it not for some He-Man fans or zealots. The style looks fine but the character designs are all in your face with their political views.

So glitter is supposed to be a wrestlers/strong(wo)man? I'm going to bet she won't be doing much lifting or flipping stuff in Eternia to warrant that body type. Normalizing unhealthy habits is not good, if she never fights then I guess it's fine to have an overweight character. I'll eat my words if her role in the show fits her body type though.

She-ra I actually read some very good discussions on /co/, where that fan art came from and it's very easy to single out the worst part of her design and it's that one line in her hair that makes it seem like she has a buzz cut. Even an edit giving her shoulder length hair makes her look more like a woman because of that. The other manly features aren't a problem when you see she has long hair since it's easy to tell it's a girl. Her arms look horrible, they don't look "strong" like say Korra's so I don't even know what they did with those arms. Who cares if she's flat chested, though nothing wrong with boobs, why are defenders sexualizing boobs? The shorts look awful, gravity defying skirts would've been better, there's also concept art from the show where she's wearing red leggings and that looks far better.

Some poor choices were made for personal beliefs but the overall style of the show looks good. It's likely the best shot the He-Man franchise has had at a revival as well even if he appears as He-Boy in this show. And this show will ultimately be for little girls and I hope it's good for them. I think it's important for them to have a show where they can see they can kick ass without stereotypes in either side of the coin but we'll see.

plastroncafe

07-19-2018, 02:11 PM

I guess I just fail to see how one fat character has an agenda, and an entire show of thin people is devoid of one.

But then, I'm the one who grew up with these cartoons, and who internalized the messages they were selling to the point where I became for many years that followed I was a raging misogynist. I hated pink, rejected everything girly, and surrounded myself with a social group consisting of boys. Which was great, so long as I agreed with them that girls were stupid, petty, and worth less.

So you can try to pass off the idea that this is the version that's steeped in identity politics, but they were there in the original one too.
https://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/tv-shows/She-Ra/\
The women all have very similar faces, wear make up and with a few notable exceptions have the exact same body proportion.

The character designs on the new one aren't for everyone.
And that's fine, but if one's objections to them are due to the fact that the character doesn't look 'female' enough for you...I have to question if that's a problem with the art or the person viewing the art.

Spike Spiegel

07-19-2018, 03:53 PM

Now for the really hard questions...

Is this show's well-being going to depend on a toy line? Because despite how good the 2002 He-Man show was, the kiddies didn't buy the figures and it got scrapped before it could reach a proper conclusion.

AT-Man

07-19-2018, 04:00 PM

Candy Kappa

07-19-2018, 04:13 PM

I don't think this show will rely on toys, it'll be like Voltron. But if they did make toys I'd be all over that. But I wonder who'd make them, Mattel or Super7 who currently license MOTU from Mattel, probably depends on specialty figures or mass retail

sdp

07-19-2018, 04:42 PM

This show is for little girls so any toyline would be mass retail, I'm also guessing it's not going to be based on toys. Netflix shows don't seem to be based on that but both Voltron and Stretch Armstrong had a toyline, I'm unsure how the toylines did though. Voltron actually had a special order where Netflix was comitted to 78 episodes from the getgo, I doubt She-Ra would have that but who knows, Paramount and Netflix seem to be good buddies.

Candy Kappa

07-19-2018, 04:47 PM

We did see that Mattel are toying with the idea of Barbie and Monster High styled MOTU figures, while the test dolls was vintage style it's possible a modern She-Ra line could form from it.

Sumac

07-19-2018, 05:08 PM

But then, I'm the one who grew up with these cartoons, and who internalized the messages they were selling to the point where I became for many years that followed I was a raging misogynist.
I am sorry about your situation, but it looks like people who surrounded you failed to properly explain what is what.
Also, I don't think female superheroines could make you hate all things girly.

The character designs on the new one aren't for everyone.
And that's fine, but if one's objections to them are due to the fact that the character doesn't look 'female' enough for you...I have to question if that's a problem with the art or the person viewing the art.
There are some universal biological codifiers, when it comes to sex, which are not (SURPRISE!!) tied to sexism.
Most people have no problems to tell women from men and vice versa.

Spike Spiegel

07-19-2018, 05:35 PM

There are some universal biological codifiers, when it comes to sex, which are not (SURPRISE!!) tied to sexism.
Most people have no problems to tell women from men and vice versa.

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I don't think this show will rely on toys, it'll be like Voltron. But if they did make toys I'd be all over that. But I wonder who'd make them, Mattel or Super7 who currently license MOTU from Mattel, probably depends on specialty figures or mass retail

Voltron only recently got a home video release...and unfortunately it was only a barebones DVD rather than Blu-ray. I have to wonder if the home video market has changed to where we won't see home releases of streaming shows after a point. I'm too cheap to have Netflix, but there are a lot of animated projects they've done that I'd like to see.

I'd imagine there will be a "She-Ra Classics" line if there isn't already.

Sumac

07-19-2018, 05:50 PM

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This is not what I've meant, but thanks for posting one of the my favorite moments in the movies ever. :lol:
Also, this statement is no longer approved by your friendly progressive Big Brother. :oops:

PApagreg

07-20-2018, 01:48 AM

I've spent two posts to explain why I have answered like I did and you still didn't get it.
:lol:
In my defense your explanation was total nonsense.

I've pointed out that you are literally parroting my points and now you full of indignant displeasure about that I've pointed it out.
Cool. What else can I say? Do you always argue when people pointing out your actions? Like if you go to the shop, do you lecture manager when they say that you've taken milk from the shelf or something? :D
What points, all I did was put Manchuldren in quotation marks, thats not parroting your points, going by that logic you are parroting my points when you quote me.

I've meant that if her story will be criticized it doesn't make all critics sexists.
I've provided an idea how this situation can (and most likely will) develop in the future. What is so hard to understand about it?
Its hard because you word it weird. The word "if" is a very useful word especially if you want to make a hypothetical scenario and not commenting current events.
Do you need me to literally explain every single point I make in the tiniest detail to figure out what do I mean?
Maybe not in the tiniest detail but enough where I don't have to be a mind reader to understand what you are saying.

My English might not be the best, but at this point I think the problem is with something else.
I feel as if the former is the problem.

Do you always have a penchant to answer rhetorical questions?
How was that a rhetorical question, the function of a rhetorical question is to make a point so what point? Like I said I'm not a mind reader also seeing how you don't know what "Context" is maybe should learn English better before you dip your toe into rhetorical devices.

They have turned grown up woman into teenager.
Such creativity.
For your literal mind I'll explain: it's not about clothes. It's about concept.

So for creativity you complain they only changed a woman to a teenager but in your next sentence you complain they changed to concept so which is it did they change too much or too little.

Most of those examples look like an abstract designs and it's hard to figure out their age by looking at them.
Its almost you like you have to watch the show and find out, suuuuuupppppppeeeeer crazy

But at least now I know that you like cartoons. :P
My animated avatars and signatures didn't tip you off or how I comment on the Voltron thread. I guess nothing goes by you huh champ?

And I don't think ponies are valid to anything. :lol:

The topic is "Mature Female Characters" not "What Sumac thinks is Valid"

"I've never said that She-Ra is a modern example.
That takes us back to the "literal mind" thing.

I just said it lasted for two years, how on Earth did you take that as "Modern Example". I wanna call you literal minded but to be literal minded you have to follow some sort of logic.

Doesn't make her look less like a LSD trip glitch.

Your dealer must be giving you bunk drugs if you think THAT was a LSD trip glitch.

Please, into English translate it. :D

There are no words in the human language to help me describe the level dumb that starement is. I just asked how many positive child/teen characters were there in the 80s, I thought you can understand a simple question but apparently I overestimated your intelligence

plastroncafe

07-20-2018, 08:36 AM

I am really curious to see what kind of dolls get produced for the new cartoon.
My hope Is that there will be both action figure and fashion figure versions.

The former for kids like I was growing up, and the latter for those who prefer something a little more in the Barbie-style.

That said, should this get cancelled due to poor toy sales it will literally be because toy companies don't know how to Market dolls to little girls.

Machias Banshee

07-20-2018, 09:53 PM

Papagreg, Sumac, knock it off...

Jeezum, this is a thread about a cartoon. Nobody wants to flip through pages of political bickering.

TurtleTitan97

09-10-2018, 09:18 AM

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Vegita-San

09-10-2018, 10:12 AM

god, it still looks horrible.

and some comments by the writers of this new she ra don't exactly have me inspired for hope either.

drgon78

09-10-2018, 02:26 PM

Wow, it looks even worse animated.

Candy Kappa

09-10-2018, 07:12 PM

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looks good

ABrown

09-10-2018, 07:28 PM

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My curiosity is peaked. It's definitely the only series that I'm looking forward to out of the next wave of cartoons with Transformers Cyberverse, Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Star Wars Resistance, and Thundercats Go. Whoops, I mean Thundercats Roar.

Sumac

09-10-2018, 08:58 PM

Looks inoffensively generic.

CyberCubed

09-10-2018, 09:14 PM

The animation really does look like that cheap looking flash animation from the early 2000's. Hard to describe really, but I always dislike when animation looks like that. I understand these shows don't have a big budget, but I miss watching cartoons that looked heavily detailed and were nice to look at.

Andrew NDB

09-10-2018, 09:29 PM

It looks definitely like it could be a very "important" series.

oldmanwinters

09-10-2018, 09:38 PM

It looks definitely like it could be a very "important" series.

At this point, it seems unthinkable it would be anything else. :trolleye:

Coola Yagami

09-10-2018, 11:08 PM

IDK... the voice acting sounds a little too 'intense' for such a simplistic artistic design. She looks literally lifeless in that thumbnail pic.

CyberCubed

09-11-2018, 02:07 AM

It looks definitely like it could be a very "important" series.

I didn't even think of that, but I wouldn't be surprised if She-Ra is a lesbian in this series. Isn't the showrunner/director a lesbian in real life?

ZariusTwo

09-11-2018, 06:21 AM

Seahawk is apparently in this reboot also, and while he didn't appear much in the Filmation series, he was always intended as Adora's love interest. In fact, the old Son of He-Man series bible specifically cited them as raising Adam and Teela's son together. Things could change of course.

Vegita-San

09-11-2018, 06:32 AM

IF this is a SJW She-ra, as all signs point to, don't expect any romance. these types of shows usually don't allow it.

sigh. I miss the days when things where normal. now everything is majorly political. it's impossible to discuss things without it.

Candy Kappa

09-11-2018, 07:44 AM

ProactiveMan

09-12-2018, 12:05 AM

Destiny eh... original n'est-ce pas?!

I think it looks OK - the animation is fine. It's nice and colourful.

Her voice is a little bit too (this sounds dumb even before I say it) normal. She sounds like a YouTube makeup vlogger rather than a cool fantasy princess. OG She-Ra sounded more regal and well spoken. More like a hero and less like a teenager complaining about the slow service at a local juice bar.

Nitpicks though, I'm sure kids will like it.

Utrommaniac

09-12-2018, 12:30 AM

She is a teenager that hasn't quite become a hero yet, so...there's that.

I think it looking fine for what it is. And while the acting is a little hammy, it's a nice way to carry some of the spirit of the original cartoon. And I do think that there will be sprinklings of, shall we say "sliced ham".

Meanwhile, I wonder why there hasn't been a reveal for the design of the villains.

ZariusTwo

10-04-2018, 02:49 PM

NYCC ComicCon Panel Details

-None of the actors had ever seen the original show

-Aimee watched older episodes of the show on Youtube

-Adora and Catra's relationship defines the show's lighter and darker sides

-Bo and Glimmer have a fun grounded/visiting dynamic

-Adora's eyes are opened to the Hoarde's evils by Bo and Glimmer, but she is conflicted, not knowing what is truly good or evil, and has loved ones on both sides

-Shadow Weaver is quite fond of Adora, and prefers her to Catra

-Catra takes Adora's place as captain of the Hoarde

-First season is more serialised and focuses on world building and forging alliances.

-Bow has two dads

Vegita-San

10-04-2018, 02:51 PM

Sigh.

and this new cast throwing shade at the original series.

I wonder if ANY of them where really fans to start with? somehow, I doubt it.

Seems just like another series ruined by SJW/Tumblerites.

TurtleTitan97

10-04-2018, 06:38 PM

GsGMkAWB6lY

Vegita-San

10-04-2018, 06:39 PM

pure badly drawn junk. MUST every show look like steven universe?

Coola Yagami

10-04-2018, 07:02 PM

GsGMkAWB6lY

I like the concept of Adora having genuine friends in the Horde before leaving, which causes future conflict. The original series was too black and white evil where none of the bad guys liked each other and were always stabbing each other in the back.

The look applies to today's kids. It just kinda sucks that this is what today's kids like. Also I see no reason why this couldn't ve on network television. Something on Netflix should be way more grandiose, ambitious and adult

PApagreg

10-04-2018, 07:05 PM

pure badly drawn junk. MUST every show look like steven universe?

https://consequenceofsound.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/steven-universe.jpg?quality=80&w=807

https://theladyfromplanetx.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/1047126-catraandadora-lr.jpg?w=500

Yep totally the same artstyle

AT-Man

10-04-2018, 07:59 PM

I like how Hordak and Shadow Weaver look.

sdp

10-04-2018, 08:57 PM

PApagreg

10-04-2018, 09:17 PM

The animation looks cheap and She-Ra looks absolutely awful and yet I'd almost be interested in checking it out despite that since the story trailer seemed interesting enough, but I feel the SJW message will be shoved down your throat.

1. How does the animation look cheap

2. What SJW message, name me one thing from that trailer that had a SJW message.

Leo656

10-04-2018, 09:25 PM

I like the concept of Adora having genuine friends in the Horde before leaving, which causes future conflict.

That much is very intriguing. The rest honestly sounds pretty bad.

Full disclosure, He-Man (and She-Ra by association) was a huge chunk of my early childhood, so I'm absolutely going to be among the most critical about these kinds of things.

Won't be watching it, but maybe if it does well a new He-Man series might get pitched somewhere. That's really the best I could hope for.

sdp

10-04-2018, 09:51 PM

1. How does the animation look cheap

2. What SJW message, name me one thing from that trailer that had a SJW message.

I don't know how to describe it, but it looked a bit choppy at parts and others reminded me of the american speed racer cartoon. The trailer had no SJW message but the character designs, bo having to dads, the woman in charge of the show seems to have an agenda like we've seen it ruin other shows integrity for the sake of those messages. Now, I do think She-Ra of all shows should have a girl empowerment message, this isn't catering to those 40 year olds who grew up with He-Man in the 80s.

PApagreg

10-04-2018, 11:02 PM

I don't know how to describe it, but it looked a bit choppy at parts and others reminded me of the american speed racer cartoon.

I personally didn't see it the animation looks alright nothing spectacular but I would't call it cheap. Its a 6/10 imo.

The trailer had no SJW message but the character designs, bo having to dads, the woman in charge of the show seems to have an agenda like we've seen it ruin other shows integrity for the sake of those messages. Now, I do think She-Ra of all shows should have a girl empowerment message, this isn't catering to those 40 year olds who grew up with He-Man in the 80s.

None of those tell me this show has a SJW message

TheBlueTurtle1

10-05-2018, 02:55 AM

Reeks of PC to me:(

ZariusTwo

10-05-2018, 02:58 AM

I personally didn't see it the animation looks alright nothing spectacular but I would't call it cheap. Its a 6/10 imo.

6/10 doesn't sound very encouraging to me...sounds like you know it's dirt cheap but won't admit it for some reason

And Bow's character will apparently have his parents in a same-sex relationship...not an SJW thing, but certainly they're pushing an agenda

Candy Kappa

10-05-2018, 04:46 AM

GsGMkAWB6lY

aaah! that looks fantastic, loved every second of that trailer. This show is going to be awesome, love the aspect of getting all the princesses back in an alliance to fight the Horde, and the Princesses look great.

But one guy in the trailer have stolen Bow's mustache :lol:

Loving most of the designs, it's abut weird seeing Sorceress with hair, but that mask thing works. Hordak's head fin looking like that haircut is... something.

Super7 also revealed She-Ra and Catra figures of the show. But, while they look gorgeous and captures the designs wonderfully, they only have 7 points of articulation by the looks of it and the pre-order is $50 for the set. To me they have the opposite problems with the Rise Turtles figures, Rise have nice articulation but don't capture the show design right and this Super7 2-pack capture the designs right but lack articulation. So I'm gonna hold out for She-Ra figures with better articulation then the retro styled figures.

http://www.toyhypeusa.com/2018/10/04/super7-nycc-2018-she-ra-motu-classics/

not an SJW thing, but certainly they're pushing an agenda

The agenda of existing, which we go, queer people exist in real life, why is it so hard to grasp that we can exist in fiction too, especially in a IP that started with a fabulous leather-daddy barbarian :roll:

ZariusTwo

10-05-2018, 06:01 AM

aaah! that looks fantastic, loved every second of that trailer. This show is going to be awesome, love the aspect of getting all the princesses back in an alliance to fight the Horde, and the Princesses look great

It looks generic and something I've seen a million times. How does it stand out? What is original about it?

The agenda of existing, which we go, queer people exist in real life

I didn't mind when Korra or Universe did it because those relationships were built up organically. They weren't box-ticking.

especially in a IP that started with a fabulous leather-daddy barbarian :roll:

Adam was straight, plenty of expanded material canonically state he and Teela ultimately get married.

Candy Kappa

10-05-2018, 06:14 AM

Adam was straight

A fabulous dresser like Prince Adam is far from straight

plenty of expanded material canonically state he and Teela ultimately get married.

there's this thing called bisexual.

drgon78

10-05-2018, 06:28 AM

I hope this series crashes and burns so we might get a good version. it saddens me the 2002 He-man didn't do better because they were going to introduce their version of She-Ra in season 3.

As for Korra, there was no build up of turning her gay until season 4 and even then it wasn't done very well at all.

I consider He-Man/Prince Adam to be strait though some of the writers, artist, etc. of the original show more then likely were not.:lol:

Candy Kappa

10-05-2018, 06:43 AM

straight as his outrageous uncle

https://i2.wp.com/needlessessentialsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/masters-of-the-universe-skeletor-statue-2004601-01.jpg?resize=533%2C800

he is fierce!

ZariusTwo

10-05-2018, 06:51 AM

HVA9e-ZUN44

Vegita-San

10-05-2018, 06:58 AM

None of those tell me this show has a SJW message

the creator of this new show basically said men aren't as creative as women. that's a good start right there.

This show tends to look to have strong SJW leanings. maybe a little more toned down than other stuff, but it's obvious when you know what to look for.

PApagreg

10-05-2018, 08:07 AM

the creator of this new show basically said men aren't as creative as women. that's a good start right there.

Citation needed.

6/10 doesn't sound very encouraging to me...sounds like you know it's dirt cheap but won't admit it for some reason

I mean 6/10 is what I count as above average also if you want dirt cheap animation look at Dragon Prince or the original She Ra, those what I consider to be dirt cheap. I mean the animation so far isn't Avatar the Last Airbender or Mob Psycho 100 but I do think its serviceable for an action cartoon.

And Bow's character will apparently have his parents in a same-sex relationship...not an SJW thing, but certainly they're pushing an agenda

What that some people have same sex parents which is pretty much mainstream at this point.

Vegita-San

10-05-2018, 08:24 AM

Citation needed.
.

If memory serves, I think it was posted in this very thread. the person who posted it didn't give a source, but based on how this show is going, it would fit with how this crew seems to be going.

Leo656

10-05-2018, 09:20 AM

I'm 100% sure that the young girls the show is supposedly being made for, would be writing a million angry letters if Bow or some other character DIDN'T have two Dads. :roll:

That's what some people mean by agenda pushing. Literally nobody in the target audience is even thinking about things like that, but it's nonetheless Very Important that it make its way in somehow.

It's "interesting".

PApagreg

10-05-2018, 11:59 AM

If memory serves, I think it was posted in this very thread. the person who posted it didn't give a source, but based on how this show is going, it would fit with how this crew seems to be going.

So you have no proof at all and you're talking nonsense.

I'm 100% sure that the young girls the show is supposedly being made for, would be writing a million angry letters if Bow or some other character DIDN'T have two Dads. :roll:

That's what some people mean by agenda pushing. Literally nobody in the target audience is even thinking about things like that, but it's nonetheless Very Important that it make its way in somehow.
The boy has two dads, thats all its not really that important. We live in an age where gay marriage is legal in the United States and most people/entertainment media are fine showing it now including Disney. Its like like looking in the 70s and noticing there are more black and minorities characters in cartoons and comics.

It's "interesting".

Not really

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Leo656

10-05-2018, 12:24 PM

Absolutely no children care about stuff like that. Anywhere. At all. If it truly doesn't matter, why bother with it?

That's what people mean by "pushing an agenda". And they're 100% correct. Is it going to hurt anything? Doubtful. I think we're past the point where people believe cartoons "warp" kids. But if they weren't openly trying to win Diversity Points, they wouldn't bother putting stuff like that in a kids' show. Kids aren't asking for that stuff.

My point isn't whether it's good or bad; people raised the question of, "Is there an agenda being pushed?" and the answer is absolutely Yes.

No child watching cartoons has ever once said, "This would be much better if two of the male characters kissed, or if one characters' parents had a same-sex relationship." Those things probably don't hurt anything, but it's definitely not being put in there for the benefit of the supposed audience. It's just so the showrunners can puff out their chest and talk about how progressive they are. And that is always annoying no matter who does it.

Prove to me that young children openly and actively are asking for that kind of thing, and I'll take it into consideration. As is, I don't believe they're even thinking about it. No 6-year old girl cares if Elsa is straight or gay in the "Frozen" sequel; their 20-something older sisters going for a degree in Gender Studies at Smith, though, all think it's SUPER important.

That's why it's "interesting". There's an ever-growing group of people with a strong vested interest in telling young people what they're supposed to want or care about, instead of just asking them. Some people go so far as to call it "indoctrination". I won't go that far, but anyone who denies that agendas are being pushed into questionable areas simply hasn't been paying attention.

Again, if someone can prove that stuff like this isn't just to A: Get attention and B: Annoy people, then I'll take it into consideration. Right now, I'm highly skeptical.

Candy Kappa

10-05-2018, 12:38 PM

It’s as “interesting” as biracial parents

Leo656

10-05-2018, 12:41 PM

Nooooooot quite the same thing.

And I'd still have an eyebrow raise for anyone who thinks a show aimed at 6-year olds (allegedly) is the place to fight these kinds of battles.

PApagreg

10-05-2018, 02:57 PM

Absolutely no children care about stuff like that. Anywhere. At all. If it truly doesn't matter, why bother with it?.
And, there are a lot of things children don't care about and are still put into cartoons. I never cared about Bruce Wayne's love life but it was still there and I never understood the adult jokes/references in a lot of cartoons I watched but again they were still there. Animators put a lot of stuff they like in children cartoons and most of time the target demographic doesn't really care/understand it, so its not anything new.

That's what people mean by "pushing an agenda". And they're 100% correct. Is it going to hurt anything? Doubtful. I think we're past the point where people believe cartoons "warp" kids. But if they weren't openly trying to win Diversity Points, they wouldn't bother putting stuff like that in a kids' show. Kids aren't asking for that stuff.

I doubt kids wanted an episode where Billy from Billy and Mandy referenced an 80s music video but like I said animators tend to put things they like into cartoons

My point isn't whether it's good or bad; people raised the question of, "Is there an agenda being pushed?" and the answer is absolutely Yes.

You know gay marriage is legalized right, same sex couples aren't really taboo any more and are a lot more accepting into society so there isn't an agenda to be pushed. LGBT characters exist in a lot of modern cartoons, Clyde from the Loud House has two dads and do you know want Agenda they are pushing? None and guess what no one cares about it.

No child watching cartoons has ever once said, "This would be much better if two of the male characters kissed, or if one characters' parents had a same-sex relationship." Those things probably don't hurt anything, but it's definitely not being put in there for the benefit of the supposed audience. It's just so the showrunners can puff out their chest and talk about how progressive they are. And that is always annoying no matter who does it.

One character has two dads, thats it and so far not even the trailer acknowledges it, almost like its not the main focus of the whole show.

Prove to me that young children openly and actively are asking for that kind of thing, and I'll take it into consideration. As is, I don't believe they're even thinking about it. No 6-year old girl cares if Elsa is straight or gay in the "Frozen" sequel; their 20-something older sisters going for a degree in Gender Studies at Smith, though, all think it's SUPER important.

Like I said in my first two posts animators put things they like into their cartoons regardless, whether or not its for the intended audience.

That's why it's "interesting". There's an ever-growing group of people with a strong vested interest in telling young people what they're supposed to want or care about, instead of just asking them. Some people go so far as to call it "indoctrination". I won't go that far, but anyone who denies that agendas are being pushed into questionable areas simply hasn't been paying attention.

Telling them what, there is a character with two dads its not telling young people anything. The reason why gay characters are common now is because society has been more accepting of them. You make sound like She Ra is the only kid show that has gay people in it when there are tons of shows that already have them.

Nooooooot quite the same thing.
Its quite the same thing.

Leo656

10-05-2018, 03:59 PM

If a group of people make a creative decision about the content of a children's program solely because it's going to get them some brownie points, or a blurb in the Village Voice or whatever, that's pushing an agenda. I simply don't like things that are disingenuous and a lot of people feel the same.

Someone argued whether or not agendas were people pursued, and I think an objective person would say Yes. You clearly disagree, and that's honestly fine, but you also don't seem to be trying very hard to be objective about it.

The original show(s) didn't really involve anyone's parents at all, thus neatly side-stepping this entire issue, and nobody ever complained that we didn't see more of Glimmer's Dad or whatever. These are choices people made. And if anyone says it was for any reason other than "attention", then I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. It's 100% for attention, because even people who don't like it are talking about it. Like right here, for example! :lol:

You know who's not talking about it? Kids. Because they don't care. So again, I question why it's so "important" to do it in the first place.

Not a question of whether people need to be represented; more about, a cartoon ostensibly aimed at young kids isn't the place to engage in that kind of conversation. This is why parents get upset and other people get annoyed. There's a time and a place for everything.

It's like that "LeFou is gay!" thing that cost Disney a few million dollars and ultimately accomplished nothing, except make a bunch of parents angry for what amounted to four seconds of screen time. All that teeth-gnashing and boycotts and bans, for something that really didn't accomplish anything and ultimately never should have even been done or talked about. Didn't hurt them too much, but it still did more harm than good and really wasn't worth the hassle. The "I don't want my kid exposed to that!" brigade is still very real, there are more of them than you'd think, and at the end of the day, I can respect their argument (the more reasonable ones, anyway) of "They can deal with that stuff when they're at least a couple years older." Some parents definitely wouldn't let their kids watch this show, based on Bow having two Dads. Is that worth it? If I had kids, it wouldn't be a problem for me, but most people I personally know are VERY conservative with their kids' entertainment, and I hear them in my head whenever a company does something like this with a kids' show. I don't think the upside of "experiments' like this are worth the discord it creates.

Anyway, I agree that it's not the biggest deal in the world,, nor the thing that annoys me most about this show. I just think it's funny that some people think it's coming from a sincere place. It's absolutely just for attention, same as LeFou. And it'll mean about as much, in the end, despite the parental anger it's sure to cause. Which simply makes me wonder why bother. Age the show up by a smidge and aim it at teens, if that's the angle you wanna run with; that would make a lot more sense. I bet there's a lot they could do with it under that model, given a lot more freedom.

Anyways, to those who'll be watching, have fun. Not the worst reboot I've ever seen, but definitely not for me. Mostly because the art style and humor just really aren't my taste. Let me know if He-Man shows up, though!

Candy Kappa

10-05-2018, 04:18 PM

The original show(s) didn't really involve anyone's parents at all

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmm

http://restlesspilgrim.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/king_and_queen-300x231.jpg

https://avatars3.githubusercontent.com/u/3185815?s=460&v=4

https://hemanmotu.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/like-father-1.jpg?w=539&h=402

Leo656

10-05-2018, 04:23 PM

Obviously those three examples were implicitly the exception rather than the rule.

And only Man-At-Arms was an active participant in events most of the time. 90% of Sorceress's activity was either sending out telepathic distress calls or turning into a bird. And about 100% of Randor and Marlena's "action" involved sitting down.

I struggled with how to word what I was trying to say, but it sounded too clumsy every way I tried it.

Regardless, Man-At-Arms was a factor in events, the others were basically there to give exposition and that's all. Teela never even knew Sorceress was her Mom, and Sorceress never behaved in a "parental" role, except for being kind of maternal in general. So me saying that most of the time, nobody's parents mattered across both shows, is mostly the truth.

The reboot, however, did a little better about that. I liked how they tried to get seemingly every character involved as much as possible. Gone Too Soon.

EDIT: Also, while I mentioned both shows, I should have clarified that the original She-Ra had even less emphasis on parental figures in general, most characters not having any. Sorry, on a break at work, gotta type these things pretty fast. :lol:

PApagreg

10-05-2018, 08:25 PM

If a group of people make a creative decision about the content of a children's program solely because it's going to get them some brownie points, or a blurb in the Village Voice or whatever, that's pushing an agenda. I simply don't like things that are disingenuous and a lot of people feel the same.
Most modern cartoons have LGBT characters now, so there aren't really any brownie points anymore.

Someone argued whether or not agendas were people pursued, and I think a person who agree with me would say Yes. You clearly disagree, and that's honestly fine, but you also don't seem to be trying very hard to agree with me about it.
Fix that for you

The original show(s) didn't really involve anyone's parents at all, thus neatly side-stepping this entire issue, and nobody ever complained that we didn't see more of Glimmer's Dad or whatever. These are choices people made. And if anyone says it was for any reason other than "attention", then I'm sorry, but that's incorrect. It's 100% for attention, because even people who don't like it are talking about it. Like right here, for example! :lol:
Wow its almost like adaptions tend to change things, super crazy right.

You know who's not talking about it? Kids. Because they don't care. So again, I question why it's so "important" to do it in the first place.

Its not really that important, a character has two dads thats all. The response I had was "Okay" but for some reason you think its super important despite it not being in the trailer. And again animators have been putting stuff that kids aren't into or don't know into kids cartoons for decades in fact there are shows where actual rappers guest star and I bet you good money that not a lot 6 year old knows who Deltron 3030 or Tyler the Creator is. Have you heard of the term periphery demographic

Not a question of whether people need to be represented; more about, a cartoon ostensibly aimed at young kids isn't the place to engage in that kind of conversation. This is why parents get upset and other people get annoyed. There's a time and a place for everything.

Dude I don't know what year you are in but in the year 2018 gay characters in children cartoons aren't really taboo anymore in fact not even Disney is afraid of showing them.

It's like that "LeFou is gay!" thing that cost Disney a few million dollars and ultimately accomplished nothing, except make a bunch of parents angry for what amounted to four seconds of screen time. All that teeth-gnashing and boycotts and bans, for something that really didn't accomplish anything and ultimately never should have even been done or talked about. Didn't hurt them too much, but it still did more harm than good and really wasn't worth the hassle.

What do you think a minor character being gay would accomplish, also the movie made a billion dollars so losing a few million is no skin off of Disney bones

The "I don't want my kid exposed to that!" brigade is still very real, there are more of them than you'd think, and at the end of the day, I can respect their argument (the more reasonable ones, anyway) of "They can deal with that stuff when they're at least a couple years older." Some parents definitely wouldn't let their kids watch this show, based on Bow having two Dads. Is that worth it? If I had kids, it wouldn't be a problem for me, but most people I personally know are VERY conservative with their kids' entertainment, and I hear them in my head whenever a company does something like this with a kids' show. I don't think the upside of "experiments' like this are worth the discord it creates.

Oh my god parents not letting their kids watch certain shows because it conflicts with their worldview, that's never happened before.

Anyway, I agree that it's not the biggest deal in the world,, nor the thing that annoys me most about this show. I just think it's funny that some people think it's coming from a sincere place. It's absolutely just for attention, same as LeFou.
This is the only place I heard about it so they are doing this to get attention then they are not good at it.

And it'll mean about as much, in the end, despite the parental anger it's sure to cause. Which simply makes me wonder why bother. Age the show up by a smidge and aim it at teens, if that's the angle you wanna run with; that would make a lot more sense. I bet there's a lot they could do with it under that model, given a lot more freedom.]
Again Loud House is a show aimed at 6-11 year olds and its doing pretty well in terms of ratings. Guess what, it has a character who has two dads and no one complained

Leo656

10-05-2018, 09:22 PM

Nah, skipped reading it once I got to the part where you started talking at me like a c*nt. :lol: You're a special kinda guy.

My piece on this topic has already been spoken and done; I'm not gonna get roped into a circle-jerk. Grow up and learn how to consider other people's points of view, and have an actual, sincere dialog about it, instead of attacking them for not agreeing with you.

Since you're incapable of having any kind of back-and-forth with someone you disagree with, without being snotty about it, please set me to Ignore. You frankly have zero to say that I'm interested in on any topic, and I strongly suspect the feeling is mutual, based on evidence.

I said "please", so you're now morally obligated to do as I've requested. Unless, as I suspect, this is really more about you trying to get me into "A Thing". I don't wanna do "A Thing", so let's just not talk.

Coola Yagami

10-06-2018, 07:32 AM

What about kids that do have two dads? The show shouldn't be aged towards teens if there really are kids out there with two dads. Homosexuality exists and the sooner kids understand that, the better.

Also this show focuses more on parents because everyone's been turned into kids. In the old show most of the side characters were old enough that you didn't really think about their parents. Who cares about Frosta's parents when it looked like she wanted to make babies with He-Man?

Sumac

10-06-2018, 08:25 AM

A fabulous dressed like Prince Adam is far from straight
Apparently people don't have freedom to dress how the want without being stereotyped. Strange thought when it comes from someone like you.

there's this thing called bisexual.
Grasping at straws.

PApagreg

10-06-2018, 10:36 AM

Nah, skipped reading it once I got to the part where you started talking at me like a c*nt. :lol: You're a special kinda guy.
You pretty much said that in order for me to agree with you, I had to be more objective but I'm the c*nt, what is it about this forum that attracts people who don't have self awareness.

My piece on this topic has already been spoken and done; I'm not gonna get roped into a circle-jerk. Grow up and learn how to consider other people's points of view, and have an actual, sincere dialog about it, instead of attacking them for not agreeing with you.

Since you're incapable of having any kind of back-and-forth with someone you disagree with, without being snotty about it, please set me to Ignore. You frankly have zero to say that I'm interested in on any topic, and I strongly suspect the feeling is mutual, based on evidence.

I said "please", so you're now morally obligated to do as I've requested. Unless, as I suspect, this is really more about you trying to get me into "A Thing". I don't wanna do "A Thing", so let's just not talk.

Someone argued whether or not agendas were people pursued, and I think an objective person would say Yes. You clearly disagree, and that's honestly fine, but you also don't seem to be trying very hard to be objective about it

This right here, if you want someone to discuss things with you in a polite manner you don't say stuff like this unless you have some sort of empirical or concrete evidence. How can you tell me to consider other people's point of view when the only argument you have is that anyone who disagrees with you needs to be more objective.

Leo656

10-06-2018, 10:59 AM

Because it's clear that you're not really paying attention to what I'm saying and why I think/feel a certain way. It's easier to just label me a bigot, when that's clearly not the case. I don't appreciate it, thus, I don't think we should speak to each other.

People can disagree with me all day long without trying to get sassy about it. When I state my position on a topic, I know full well I'm not going to change the minds of people who've already decided that opposing viewpoints don't matter. It's just conversation.

You chose to engage me in a somewhat hostile manner for reasons I don't quite fathom. You've done it before, so you'll probably do it again, which is why I respectfully suggested that we don't communicate. But if you'd like to actually have a dialog, that's fine. I don't think you are, though, you seem more interested in insulting me for whatever reason.

Again, it's probably just better if we don't speak to each other. Just calling what I see, brother.

Candy Kappa

10-06-2018, 11:51 AM

If memory serves, I think it was posted in this very thread. the person who posted it didn't give a source, but based on how this show is going, it would fit with how this crew seems to be going.

Just like that random guy from twitter dissing ThunderCats was the showrunner of ThunderCats Go?:lol:

You're not exactly the most credible guy around here with statements like these.

Sage Ninja

10-06-2018, 01:08 PM

The storyline itself looks good and I'm genuinely intrigued by the prospect of Adora have a crisis of conscience of where her loyalties lie and having strong emotional bonds with her fellow horde. That has the potential of offering some really good emotional drama and really hope they do not kill the tension of that aspect too early on and having her almost immediately turn to the side of the rebellion. I also hope that it is not just an easy transition in joining the princesses.

I hate the animation style. I would rather it had better animation! And the characters designs do not do for me at all. Adora in both civilian and She-Ra form does look like a dude. Sorry I agree on this one. Hate her character design. She might look better if she had lips instead of a straight line for a mouth but there is honestly more going on with her character design than that. You can look feminine and not be a sex object and look like a legit warrior to be taken seriously. I'm not saying she has to be wearing a sparkly tutu and using ballerina style kung fu, but she doesn't have to an honorary boy either.

On that same note I hope she doesn't have a personality and attitude like Korra. I really didn't like Korra and how her character was handled, and I hope that Adora isn't the same way.

Also I honestly think that people are blowing the political/SJW rage in this way out of proportion. I feel both sides are jumping the gun on some narrative issues that we don't even know for sure yet and are projecting a bit. My two cents.

PApagreg

10-06-2018, 03:42 PM

Because it's clear that you're not really paying attention to what I'm saying and why I think/feel a certain way.

So the word you were looking for is "Empathetic" not "Objective" but "Empathetic"

It's easier to just label me a bigot, when that's clearly not the case. I don't appreciate it, thus, I don't think we should speak to each other.

When have I ever label you as a bigot, show me a quote where I so much as insinuate you were a bigot.

You chose to engage me in a somewhat hostile manner for reasons I don't quite fathom. You've done it before, so you'll probably do it again, which is why I respectfully suggested that we don't communicate. But if you'd like to actually have a dialog, that's fine. I don't think you are, though, you seem more interested in insulting me for whatever reason.
I make sarcastic comments and I'm engaging you in a hostile manner but you calling me a c%nt is a-okay.

Leo656

10-07-2018, 01:56 AM

I said "talking at me like a c*nt", in reference to the tone. I didn't call you one. A subtle distinction, perhaps, but it's important.

I'm tired, we can hash out the rest another time.

ProactiveMan

10-10-2018, 03:58 AM

After catching up on the last few pages of this thread I have to say that the animated gif of that guy eating ribs is starting to make me feel sick.

Coola Yagami

10-10-2018, 09:05 AM

After catching up on the last few pages of this thread I have to say that the animated gif of that guy eating ribs is starting to make me feel sick.

Idk why, it makes me hungry.

ProactiveMan

10-10-2018, 07:16 PM

Idk why, it makes me hungry.

I don't know why either. It makes me feel greasy.

Sumac

10-11-2018, 03:17 PM

I don't know why either. It makes me feel greasy.
Same here. Same here.

Shark_Blade

10-13-2018, 05:16 AM

http://imgur.com/1wVdccb.jpg

Leo656

10-13-2018, 05:38 AM

"My young kid is super invested in the sexual orientation of cartoon characters!" = "My cat is a vegan."

Someone else is making the "lifestyle decisions" on their behalf. Pretty funny all around.

So far, this is the ONLY thing I've seen the media talk about with regards to this show, which implies there's not much else to talk about. But right off the bat, this of all things is supposed to be what we're most aware of.

"Will He-Man ever show up? Are he and Adora still related?" "WHO CARES?! WE GOT GAY DUDES!" :lol:

Still "interesting".

Vegita-San

10-13-2018, 09:41 AM

Sigh.

if this is all they care about promoting, this new she nah is doomed.

Leo656

10-13-2018, 09:46 AM

It's gonna save the world.

:lol: "She-Nah". :lol: If anyone asks I'm saying I came up with that. GFY, bruh.

Sumac

10-14-2018, 05:37 AM

Putting story and characters first? Nah.
Let's just throw agendas in the face!!

The sad bit here is that show might end being good, but aggressive virtue signaling might turn some people off and make show being remembered for an entirely wrong reasons.

AT-Man

10-14-2018, 07:16 AM

I still haven't seen any reason not to watch it.

Coola Yagami

10-14-2018, 08:52 AM

This is why I hate the modern day. The OG She-Ra show wasn a subtle girl power show, but it wasn't advertised as such. It was mostly a new show... for girls. But they didn't make a huge deal about it and didn't ram it in your face until you drowned in estrogen.

I mean tons of guys back then most likely watched The Secret of the Sword movie cause they were He-Man fans and wanted to see how he fit into all this. I mean, He-Man had a sister??? How can you call yourself a fan and not be curious?

And if boys chose not to watch it and only watch He-Man, there was no big media frenzy about it either. Those were simpler times.

Spike Spiegel

10-14-2018, 09:04 AM

Meh, I don't think this series' art style could hold my attention.

I really wish we could have seen the planned 2002/Mike Young version of She-Ra that never got off the ground.

Vegita-San

10-14-2018, 10:45 AM

Leo656

10-14-2018, 06:42 PM

I mean tons of guys back then most likely watched The Secret of the Sword movie cause they were He-Man fans and wanted to see how he fit into all this. I mean, He-Man had a sister??? How can you call yourself a fan and not be curious?

Ah, dude, so much This. I literally grew up with He-Man; the franchise launched right around the time I was born and was the hottest thing going, even BEFORE the cartoons. Even my Dad loved it, as it reminded him of a more modern version of the old Conan stuff he used to see, and he went out of his way to buy me as many He-Man toys and other stuff as he could get. We'd play with the toys for hours, and then he'd read me to sleep with the mini-comics that came with the toys. In later years he'd often reminisce about going into Toys R Us and there being an entire aisle JUST for He-Man toys. I don't remember exactly when I saw the cartoons, but I'd already been sleeping on my He-Man bedsheets for a couple years by that point. I was probably about two; it was definitely a bit different from the He-Man I knew, but I really didn't care since it was more He-Man stuff.

The cartoons got my cousin into it; she was a year older, and a girl, but we often liked the same stuff (like we both watched JEM, for some reason :lol:). When She-Ra was launched, it was actually really cool and a big deal for both of us; we were more like brother and sister anyway, so it was a lot of fun to run around the yard playing He-Man and She-Ra together. We used to rent "Secret of the Sword" allll the time. I don't think I saw that one in theaters, but I'm pretty sure she did. One of the stores over here, either Toys R Us or K-Mart, had a thing where kids could go meet "He-Man, She-Ra, and Skeletor", and I still have photos from that as well.

Point of fact, I never really knew the show was cancelled, because USA Network aired the re-runs all the way up until "New Adventures" came out (which I didn't care for). It used to be on a few times a day on weekdays and then Saturday mornings, and on Saturdays they'd either do two He-Mans and two She-Ras back-to-back or later just one of each. They'd often break "Secret of the Sword" into five parts and air it as a week-long mini-series. The show was definitely more"girly", but it never bothered me because it really wasn't much different from He-Man; like instead of a bunch of dudes and a couple female side warriors, the whole thing was flipped, but that's to be expected since it was like a "mirror" of the He-Man show. The stories, music, voice actors and effects were all borrowed directly from the previous series, so it just felt like an "Expansion Pack" to the He-Man show. Especially since He-Man showed up often, anyway.

I knew a few kids who wouldn't watch "the girl's show", but most of the kids I knew who watched one, watched both. It was just the same show with more glitter, no big deal. Plus, She-Ra was hot, so of course I was gonna watch (although I kept those thoughts to myself back then :lol:).

I will say, I didn't get any of the She-Ra toys back then. I thought about it, but they didn't fit well with the He-Man line and that annoyed me and a lot of kids.

Sigh. Now I'm all misty.

Coola Yagami

10-14-2018, 11:22 PM

Ah, The show was definitely more"girly", but it never bothered me because it really wasn't much different from He-Man; like instead of a bunch of dudes and a couple female side warriors, the whole thing was flipped, but that's to be expected since it was like a "mirror" of the He-Man show. The stories, music, voice actors and effects were all borrowed directly from the previous series, so it just felt like an "Expansion Pack" to the He-Man show. Especially since He-Man showed up often, anyway.

THIS. They were basically the same show, and since He-Man went to reruns the only way to watch new stuff involving He-Man and Skeletor was to watch the episodes they camoed in. It was also the only way to see the Horde and the Snake Men in animated form.

Leo656

10-15-2018, 12:07 AM

Yeah, they created them for Season Three of He-Man, but that quickly became "Season 1 of She-Ra" instead thanks to Mattel. To their credit, they continued to market The Horde in the He-Man line as the MOTU villains they were created to be. Sadly, that left the She-Ra line forced to use Catra as the main villain in the toyline continuity... which was strange. :lol:

Some fans "blame" She-Ra for "killing" the He-Man line, but I don't. They just took a gamble and missed; expanding the line to be more girl-inclusive wasn't the problem (although a lot of girls liked He-Man anyway, and didn't exactly NEED a second line just for them, if you ask some of them); the She-Ra show was good, and most of the characters were as well. I think the entire He-Man franchise just blew up too big too fast, and those things can never sustain that kind of popularity for long, leaving there nowhere to go but down. I do think that if the He-Man and She-Ra toylines were more in sync, with the She-Ra toys being less like Barbies, they might've done better with it. They had some cool ideas with the playsets and whatnot. I knew lots of boys who watched She-Ra but drew the line on having the toys; with the brushable hair and whatnot, they may as well have been buying My Little Ponies, as far as they were concerned. :lol: Plus they'd have to go down the Barbie N Stuff aisle, or ask their parents to, and... well, a 3-year old boy has to pick their battles carefully, y'know?

If they had kept the toyline under the "Masters of the Universe" umbrella (simply swapping the "MOTU" logo for "Princess of Power") and put them in the same aisle as the He-Man toys, I bet they'd have sold twice as many. I never got it as a kid; Teela and Sorceress got to sit next to He-Man on the pegs, but She-Ra had to be waaaaaay over there next to Barbie? It was weird. But then I saw the toys and they weren't too similar to the He-Man ones, anyway. I think if they'd handled that whole thing better, they may not have nosedived so quickly. But I don't blame She-Ra for "killing" the franchise like some folks do. I just think they overreached and didn't handle some things as well as they could've.