The Age of Outrage

[Andrew NDB]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQTykD1VoAAePy7.jpg

Do you agree with this article?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454964/age-outrage

"... a funny thing happens when you take young human beings, whose minds evolved for tribal warfare and us/them thinking, and you fill those minds full of binary dimensions. You tell them that one side of each binary is good and the other is bad. You turn on their ancient tribal circuits, preparing them for battle. Many students find it thrilling; it floods them with a sense of meaning and purpose."

[plastroncafe]

Are you ready for a shock?
No, I don't agree with this article.

I think it's thesis is short-sighted and neglects the fact that most large-scale political movements have had students at their forefronts for far longer than this guy started paying attention to such things.

I do think it's pretty interesting that the author of this Op-Ed admits to paying close attention in 2007, which is four years prior to (cbsnews) the first time in American History that women surpassed me in earning advanced college degrees. (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-a-first-women-surpass-men-in-college-degrees/)

I'm also skeptical of this author's use of Centripetal and Centrifugal forces, as well as the revisionist historical notion that MLK message wasn't intersectional. Remembering Martin Luther King, Jr.'s Solution to Poverty (https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/01/remembering-martin-luther-king-jrs-solution-to-poverty/283193/) (theatlantic).

[Spike Spiegel]

When I started university a few years ago, I was very much on the left, having grown up as one of the only black kids in a mostly white, very Protestant/Lutheran peer group. My immediate family is Pentecostal, so I had a double helping of conservative values crammed down my throat. I saw the social and moral hypocrisy of stereotypical "White, Christian America" firsthand.

What I encountered in college felt like another side of the same coin. During my junior year, I did an internship as part of an interdepartmental project to promote diversity on campus. It was a whole semester of argumentative in-fighting about the issues, and we barely had anything to show for the money that was granted to us by the end of it, save for some hastily edited YouTube videos that recited statistics on race, gender, pay gaps, etc. and photos of trips we took to some museums. We could barely hold discussions about anything--even a logo design or an addition to our web page--without someone shrieking at the other party to shut up.

There were other experiences I had, like a female boss in the English department who was dumbfounded by the idea that one of the female students I'd done some peer tutoring with had started stalking me around campus while also bombarding me with session requests at work. And, despite the decidedly liberal atmosphere, I encountered a lot of hipster racism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_racism).

It's important to critically evaluate the society you live in. However, I think that some professors today try to actively proselytize rather than show students how to think and evaluate things on their own--and oftentimes, it is for the progressive viewpoint, though I did also have one conservative Catholic prof who attempted to use a literature course as a subtle means of attempting to debunk atheism and postmodernism.

I've gone back and read some of the same books, plays, and philosophy texts I was assigned to read in college without any due dates for reports or having some authority figure tell me their spiel about the dynamics of power and oppression, and I've found it to be a much richer experience. However, it makes me question the value of paying exorbitant sums of money to be preached at when, in retrospect, I could have just downloaded a list of the most important texts of the Western canon and gotten them from the local library for free. The people who define the meaning of "privilege" have a great deal of privilege themselves, just due to the fact that what they say gets taken more seriously than someone who might be a real life example of the statistics they enjoy citing. For instance, does a white female tenured women's studies professor with a mortgage, working partner, luxury sedan, and two kids have to worry as much about the day-to-day struggles of life as the overworked, underpaid black single mother of two who gets her Pumpkin Spice lattes for her every morning at the campus Starbucks?

IMHO, polarization on American campuses is just one symptom of a larger problem with education in the country as a whole. Is it overvalued? If so, for what reasons? With this mentality that everyone needs to go to college, despite skyrocketing costs, are we placing the value in sitting in a classroom to pass the tests and get a degree rather than struggling with weighty concepts to formulate your own views?

Maybe some of these kids cling to their polarized views because they become the only tangible thing they can hang on to. When you and all your friends realize you'll graduate with crippling debt and sh*tty job prospects, and you see how f*cked social mobility really is in American society, it would seem easy to want to fall back on those narratives you were taught in school. They've effectively replaced religion for certain groups of people, and they help give context to the uncertainty of the economic state we are currently in.

[Jester]

Well said, Spike.

[Coola Yagami]

Age of Outrage sounds about right. Nowadays it seems people are just purposely looking for something to be offended by and raise a ruckus about.

[PApagreg]

Fun fact the woman in the photo is wearing expensive shoes and she is mad about not affording ramen

[Cure]

Yeah, I don't think anything she has on is inexpensive. She's dressed pretty goth-chic.

[plastroncafe]

Huh, wonder why that picture is there at all, as it's not attached to the article.

Nice trollando you got there, Andrew.

[Andrew NDB]

Fun fact the woman in the photo is wearing expensive shoes and she is mad about not affording ramen

Yeah, I don't think anything she has on is inexpensive. She's dressed pretty goth-chic.

"B-b-but how do you know those boots weren't gifted to her? Or maybe she got them second hand, super cheap? How do you know she doesn't cut her own hair??" <--- are the general responses I'm seeing online about the picture.

[Cure]

I can believe she cuts her own hair, because yikes.

I forget women's hair cuts are super expensive. Barber shops around here are $15.

[IndigoErth]

lol Of course she can't afford ramen, the money went to her wardrobe. Probably designed and sold by said rich people who received her money and whom she will now eat...


Although plenty of the rich might make good eatin' if you're okay with cannibalism. But maybe avoid those that fattened up on Big Macs

[Candy Kappa]

How dare poor people have something nice, they should be miserable and dressed in rags and use a cup with a string for phones.

[Andrew NDB]

That picture has been circulating for a while now, yet I've always been suspicious of it. The lettering doesn't look Photoshopped, yet... it's all the way at the top. Why? I suspect there may have been a different message there originally.

[PApagreg]

How dare poor people have something nice, they should be miserable and dressed in rags and use a cup with a string for phones.

I mean sure I can understand people wanting a few luxuries here and there but when you complain about not affording ramen while wearing expensive shoes then maybe you should reconsider your priorities.

[plastroncafe]

The sign says If she can't afford Ramen she'll eat the rich.
Which isn't the same thing as saying that she already can't.

If the latter were true, then it'd be possible the shoes belonged to her last meal.

[snake]

I'd f*ck her. Alternative chicks are my thing.

[IndigoErth]

That picture has been circulating for a while now, yet I've always been suspicious of it. The lettering doesn't look Photoshopped, yet... it's all the way at the top. Why? I suspect there may have been a different message there originally.
I actually went and looked around before posting and was surprised I not to find anything else beyond just one one clear edit to add more text.

A couple images didn't look so pixelated so I guess it's probably legit, but still odd placement.

The sign says If she can't afford Ramen she'll eat the rich.
Which isn't the same thing as saying that she already can't.

If the latter were true, then it'd be possible the shoes belonged to her last meal.
:lol::teek:

[oldmanwinters]

If internet fan boards have taught me anything, it's that people are indeed tribal! :tlol:

[snake]

If anyone finds her snapchat lmk

[IndigoErth]

Turtle Tribe is best tribe. (In-tribe behavior not withstanding.)

[Vegita-San]

Age of Outrage sounds about right. Nowadays it seems people are just purposely looking for something to be offended by and raise a ruckus about.

the sad part is most don't even believe in what they are raging about. it's a spur of the moment/ in popularity thing. It's a Virtue Signaling Thing....Or it's something they do to pass the time to get noticed. Some even do it just to cause havoc.

I still think my most favorite Out of nowhere Outrage comments was about Superman.

I made the mistake of saying something like, 'This is America, Why Can't Superman say Truth, Justice and the American Way anymore?' I woke up the next morning and someone got all in a fuss about my saying 'this is america' when he was reading the post in finland or some place outside of america.

smh. sometimes you can predict how people will react to things, other times it's 100% completely off the wall or overboard.

I really do wish I could give up the internet sometimes. it's far too much of a headache.

[Coola Yagami]

the sad part is most don't even believe in what they are raging about. it's a spur of the moment/ in popularity thing. It's a Virtue Signaling Thing....Or it's something they do to pass the time to get noticed. Some even do it just to cause havoc.

I still think my most favorite Out of nowhere Outrage comments was about Superman.

I made the mistake of saying something like, 'This is America, Why Can't Superman say Truth, Justice and the American Way anymore?' I woke up the next morning and someone got all in a fuss about my saying 'this is america' when he was reading the post in finland or some place outside of america.

smh. sometimes you can predict how people will react to things, other times it's 100% completely off the wall or overboard.

I really do wish I could give up the internet sometimes. it's far too much of a headache.

More like... giving up social media. I mostly use the internet to stream shows, upload videos, buy stuff online and do online gaming once in a while, but don't really waste time catching up on what's next on the 'this offends me' trend.

[sdp]

It's always ironic when people talk about privilege when they live in a first world country.

[Vegita-San]

More like... giving up social media. I mostly use the internet to stream shows, upload videos, buy stuff online and do online gaming once in a while, but don't really waste time catching up on what's next on the 'this offends me' trend.

I gave up Facebook social media groups 3 years ago. I've been a happier camper ever since.

I'd LOVE to be able to give up message boards, since over reacting sensationalism and intentional trolling has migrated to them as well. but SOMETIMES the extra strife helps distract the mind from things I KNOW I don't need to worry about. Like if that bump in the road was a person i just ran over...ugh.

Life sure is fun, isn't it? :)

[Papenbrook]

When I started university a few years ago, I was very much on the left, having grown up as one of the only black kids in a mostly white, very Protestant/Lutheran peer group. My immediate family is Pentecostal, so I had a double helping of conservative values crammed down my throat. I saw the social and moral hypocrisy of stereotypical "White, Christian America" firsthand.

What I encountered in college felt like another side of the same coin. During my junior year, I did an internship as part of an interdepartmental project to promote diversity on campus. It was a whole semester of argumentative in-fighting about the issues, and we barely had anything to show for the money that was granted to us by the end of it, save for some hastily edited YouTube videos that recited statistics on race, gender, pay gaps, etc. and photos of trips we took to some museums. We could barely hold discussions about anything--even a logo design or an addition to our web page--without someone shrieking at the other party to shut up.

There were other experiences I had, like a female boss in the English department who was dumbfounded by the idea that one of the female students I'd done some peer tutoring with had started stalking me around campus while also bombarding me with session requests at work. And, despite the decidedly liberal atmosphere, I encountered a lot of hipster racism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_racism).

It's important to critically evaluate the society you live in. However, I think that some professors today try to actively proselytize rather than show students how to think and evaluate things on their own--and oftentimes, it is for the progressive viewpoint, though I did also have one conservative Catholic prof who attempted to use a literature course as a subtle means of attempting to debunk atheism and postmodernism.

I've gone back and read some of the same books, plays, and philosophy texts I was assigned to read in college without any due dates for reports or having some authority figure tell me their spiel about the dynamics of power and oppression, and I've found it to be a much richer experience. However, it makes me question the value of paying exorbitant sums of money to be preached at when, in retrospect, I could have just downloaded a list of the most important texts of the Western canon and gotten them from the local library for free. The people who define the meaning of "privilege" have a great deal of privilege themselves, just due to the fact that what they say gets taken more seriously than someone who might be a real life example of the statistics they enjoy citing. For instance, does a white female tenured women's studies professor with a mortgage, working partner, luxury sedan, and two kids have to worry as much about the day-to-day struggles of life as the overworked, underpaid black single mother of two who gets her Pumpkin Spice lattes for her every morning at the campus Starbucks?

IMHO, polarization on American campuses is just one symptom of a larger problem with education in the country as a whole. Is it overvalued? If so, for what reasons? With this mentality that everyone needs to go to college, despite skyrocketing costs, are we placing the value in sitting in a classroom to pass the tests and get a degree rather than struggling with weighty concepts to formulate your own views?

Maybe some of these kids cling to their polarized views because they become the only tangible thing they can hang on to. When you and all your friends realize you'll graduate with crippling debt and sh*tty job prospects, and you see how f*cked social mobility really is in American society, it would seem easy to want to fall back on those narratives you were taught in school. They've effectively replaced religion for certain groups of people, and they help give context to the uncertainty of the economic state we are currently in.

As a whole, the world's society is outdated, at least in terms of its social, cultural, economical, and moral aspects.

It's a shame, really. I believe that human beings have the potential to analyze and reflect on both themselves and society at large. I'm undoubtedly sure that they have the potential to change themselves, at least somewhat, socially, economically, technologically, mentally, morally, etc. I also believe that they could/can change others' perspectives on life, at least to some extent. But, realistically, as a result of many societal, environmental, economical, and even personal factors, we don't.

Most people try to be as progressive/ open-minded as humanly possible. However, there are some aspects that human beings just don't want to get rid of, either because of having society's biases ingrained within them, having the consequence of negativity affecting their own environment, raising the issue of possibly regressing their socioeconomic/monetary status/value, or because it would affect their point of view/comfort area. (There are other factors to consider as well.)

In addition, society tends to morph itself through complex situations that create different phenomena/trends. The affects/effects can have a complication that results in an impact that's overall dynamic and ever-changing culturally socially, etc. With those affects/effects, said society can either develop, regress, or stagnate.

Unfortunately, most people would rather choose to stagnate rather than evolve, or even taking risks. It just seems safer for them.

Generally, human beings are afraid of changes and they are afraid of adapting to those changes. They even fear that they themselves might change in some way, shape, or form.

Huh, I guess we're all somewhat conservative, at least in some ways.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Nicely written piece, Papenbrook.

I absolutely believe in moral absolutes, but that doesn't mean that I won't be willing to analyze their reasoning. I'm not one of those people to tell people to shut up of they something outrageous, even if i percieve them to be wrong. I might never agree with them, but I want to hear their side of the story

[Vegita-San]

wasnt' sure where to put this. but was watching a little of the golden globes mess at my grandmothers before i put football on elsewhere.

did it seem like debroah messing was just reading off bullet points someone just handed to her off screen? she read it in such a robotic way, it's like she didn't even care about what she was saying, just that she was expected to say it.

made me think of the age of outrage thread... equal pay being the latest platform for hollywood to rant about..

[plastroncafe]

1/10
Not your best work.

[Spike Spiegel]

Adults over the age of 25 actually watch the Golden Globes? In a completely unironic way?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Zmvt7yFTtt8/maxresdefault.jpg

[Vegita-San]

i could barely stand 5 minutes of E! red carpet nonsense before i had to get out of the room if that counts.

[Andrew NDB]

I guess Natalie Portman made a stink about there being no female directors in the Best Director category?

I'm looking at the list of movies in that category and no 2017 films by female directors come to mind as being more deserving of making that list. Or does Portman mean that the Golden Globes needs some kind of affirmative action, that women directors need to be there regardless of quality of films?

http://www.vulture.com/2018/01/golden-globes-2018-male-directors-natalie-portman.html?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=s3&utm_campaign=sharebutton-b

[Papenbrook]

I found this interesting interview. (http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=20860)

It really summarizes the state of modern society.

[Sumac]

I found this interesting interview. (http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=20860)

It really summarizes the state of modern society.
I haven't expected it from you, to be honest. :teek:

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

The problem with any one extremist group is that it completely ignores any and all hard cold fact that goes against its agenda.

[ProactiveMan]

I guess Natalie Portman made a stink about there being no female directors in the Best Director category?

I'm looking at the list of movies in that category and no 2017 films by female directors come to mind as being more deserving of making that list. Or does Portman mean that the Golden Globes needs some kind of affirmative action, that women directors need to be there regardless of quality of films?

http://www.vulture.com/2018/01/golden-globes-2018-male-directors-natalie-portman.html?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=s3&utm_campaign=sharebutton-b

Probably just more of them in the talent pool in general. There are a number of women directing movies out there, but not very many that are handed high profile studio films, which are more likely to be nominated for high profile awards.

It's a tough one too, because it seems like Hollywood big-shots prefer to hire directors that remind them of themselves. Plucky upstarts who make a big splash with a short film or an indi, and wear a baseball cap and glasses. So a woman has to not only get through the sexist stuff, and the industry inertia, and convince the money-men to take a risk altering the formulaic way they make decisions - but then there's the same nepotism that everyone has to deal with on top of that.

Maybe the handful of women who have crowbarred their way into the big time need to give nepotism a try. Nepotism isn't fair, but it will leave a couple of doors open.

[plastroncafe]

I guess Natalie Portman made a stink about there being no female directors in the Best Director category?


Yes. A stink.
She described the all-male list of nominees as All-Male, and for some reason people are taking that accurate description as an insult.

Here, have a .gif of the one word inclusion that's giving people the vapors:
(spoiler tagged for your safety.)

https://78.media.tumblr.com/db325f5e93269c9add35a4155cde31a9/tumblr_p27wdmDyCE1rt5ctno3_540.gif

[Sumac]

Maybe it is because, jury had appreciated movie based on their quality?

Or they should definitely include female directors, just because they have made some movies, regardless of their quality?
Or have a special "participation" award?

I'd say both things are insulting to women.

[Andrew NDB]

Probably just more of them in the talent pool in general. There are a number of women directing movies out there, but not very many that are handed high profile studio films, which are more likely to be nominated for high profile awards.

I don't think that's what she meant at all. She was clearly making a "powerful statement" about the lack of female directors nominated in terms of some kind of grand injustice that has been done.

Truth is, they're just not out there. There's more every year, but not at a fast enough pace to please the angry mob with their mob mentality about it all.
http://variety.com/2015/film/news/women-hollywood-inequality-directors-behind-the-camera-1201626691/

As of 2017, women comprised 13% of the active directors working, meaning 87% of them are male. Should 13% of the active women directors out there be given disproportionately 37% more work... just because of their genitals/gender identity? Just because, over better-qualified and far more numerous male directors? That's insanity.

You want more female directors, go and inspire more women to be directors. It's not a conspiracy.

Yes. A stink.
She described the all-male list of nominees as All-Male, and for some reason people are taking that accurate description as an insult.

Oh, stop. You know exactly what she was doing. She was using her platform to "bring attention to an important issue," ala Meryl Streep, et al, and you know it.

[plastroncafe]

Oh, stop. You know exactly what she was doing. She was using her platform to "bring attention to an important issue," ala Meryl Streep, et al, and you know it.

Why so fragile, Andrew?
(Would you have preferred she'd gone the Brando route?)

[Sumac]

Why so fragile, Andrew?
(Would you have preferred she'd gone the Brando route?)
Of all people you are the last one to tell someone they are "fragile". :D

[Spike Spiegel]

Check out Ron Howard's expression change in that gif...

I was honestly surprised Wonder Woman didn't get a nomination. Critics and audiences loved it.

[plastroncafe]

Check out Ron Howard's expression change in that gif...

I was honestly surprised Wonder Woman didn't get a nomination. Critics and audiences loved it.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/30cdd51af47cf769a5e410f959756ed5/tumblr_p27wdmDyCE1rt5ctno1_540.gif
Yeah, he's a cutie.
:)

[Andrew NDB]

I was honestly surprised Wonder Woman didn't get a nomination. Critics and audiences loved it.

I'm sure it did get nominated, just not enough to "make" the 5 allotted nominees. Though really... I totally dig it, but is it really "Best Picture" worthy? Dragonball Z final battle aside, it's basically just as good as Captain America 1 and that didn't get nominated for Best Picture or anything.

Come to think of it, I could be way off here... but has there ever been a comic book movie nominated for Best Picture? I feel like... no?

[TurtleWA]

The only coverage I’ve read about this issue is on the forums. I didn’t watch the awards show. Can’t stand those things.

But it seems like the issue NP was trying to raise is, ‘why aren’t their more women directors.’ Not, ‘why are no current women directors being nominated.’

Reminds me of how people talk about the low interest in STEM for women. A STEM awards show I imagine would have few women nominees. But the issue would be why aren’t their more women in STEM careers. Not why aren’t more women nominated.

[Andrew NDB]

But it seems like the issue NP was trying to raise is, ‘why aren’t their more women directors.’ Not, ‘why are no current women directors being nominated.’

Nonsense, of course that's what she was saying. Otherwise that's tantamount to somebody speaking out about why there's so few women in sanitation jobs (https://foresternetwork.com/msw-management-magazine/ms-waste/ms-waste-collection/women-in-waste/). There just isn't. It's not evil white men refusing to give the jobs to women, there just isn't enough interest. Maybe one there will be but today there is not.

And that's OK.

[plastroncafe]

Nonsense, of course that's what she was saying. Otherwise that's tantamount to somebody speaking out about why there's so few women in sanitation jobs (https://foresternetwork.com/msw-management-magazine/ms-waste/ms-waste-collection/women-in-waste/). There just isn't. It's not evil white men refusing to give the jobs to women, there just isn't enough interest. Maybe one there will be but today there is not.

And that's OK.

This would have been an asinine comment prior to Weinstein, but now it's just funny as hell.

Sit down before you hurt yourself.

[TurtleWA]

It's not evil white men refusing to give the jobs to women, there just isn't enough interest. Maybe one there will be but today there is not.
And that's OK.

It may be “Ok” for some but obviously not for all, or this thread wouldn’t exist. Yeah I don’t think it’s a conspiracy to keep women out of certain jobs. I definitely don’t consider white dudes evil. I’m a white dude. Also I’m not liberal. But for sure something smells rotten. Maybe it has to do with guys being in the game longer. Women trying to catch up. Change isn’t comfortable. I don’t have answers. I just know NP is doing what she feels needs done.

[Candy Kappa]

Reminds me of how people talk about the low interest in STEM for women. A STEM awards show I imagine would have few women nominees. But the issue would be why aren’t their more women in STEM careers. Not why aren’t more women nominated.

The interest is there, but women are either pushed out of their fields, credit stolen from them or fields that women excel in are usually seen as "lesser", until it gains some interest then guys will muscle their way in and "take over the joint".

Stay low profile and don't get grabbed by the pussy, cause even hazmat suits are being sexualized by creepy old perverts.

[TurtleWA]

The interest is there, but women are either pushed out of their fields, credit stolen from them or fields that women excel in are usually seen as "lesser", until it gains some interest then guys will muscle their way in and "take over the joint".

Stay low profile and don't get grabbed by the pussy, cause even hazmat suits are being sexualized by creepy old perverts.

Looking back perhaps low “percent” of women in the STEM fields could have been a better phrase than low “interest.” But I have only had a half cup of coffee today so, yeah...:)

[plastroncafe]

Looking back perhaps low “percent” of women in the STEM fields could have been a better phrase than low “interest.” But I have only had a half cup of coffee today so, yeah...:)

Sans historical context, this could indeed be the case, but we don't live in a world sans historical context.

[TurtleWA]

Sans historical context, this could indeed be the case, but we don't live in a world sans historical context.

You lost me. Feel free to DM if you want to elaborate.

[plastroncafe]

You lost me. Feel free to DM if you want to elaborate.

Thanks for the offer, but I'm good.
It's like what Kappa said.

The interest is there, but women are either pushed out of their fields, credit stolen from them or fields that women excel in are usually seen as "lesser", until it gains some interest then guys will muscle their way in and "take over the joint".

That's the history of computer programming right there.
So one could make the argument that there aren't women in computer programming today because of lack of interest, but that only rings true if one ignores the history of the field.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

There is liberal outrage over the Ugandan Knuckles meme

qQQHq5wfFQc

[TurtleWA]

That's the history of computer programming right there. So one could make the argument that there aren't women in computer programming today because of lack of interest, but that only rings true if one ignores the history of the field.

I think what your saying is how we perceive the past dictates how we understand the present? If so I agree.

[Andrew NDB]

But for sure something smells rotten. Maybe it has to do with guys being in the game longer. Women trying to catch up. Change isn’t comfortable. I don’t have answers. I just know NP is doing what she feels needs done.

The interest is there, but women are either pushed out of their fields, credit stolen from them or fields that women excel in are usually seen as "lesser", until it gains some interest then guys will muscle their way in and "take over the joint".

"I'm a female director and I've been bullied out of directing stuff" or "I'm a female director that's more qualified than the guy the studio went with after I threw my name in the hat" -- where are all the stories about this? I've not seen any. You can be female and go to film school (or don't, but it's nice to) and put together a crew and start shooting independent movies (these are reflected in the numbers and yup, there is still only 13%)... there is nothing stopping this from happening on any level. And it does happen... just a lot less than with males, apparently. It'll change as we move forward, certainly, but it shouldn't be coming about because of some kind of artificial balance forced out of awards shows and certainly not studios.

And Patty Jenkins? She's not even the first female comic book movie director. She didn't, like, move mountains in Hollywood and fight her way to become the patron saint of female directors, or even necessarily deserve to be given a 150 million movie in the first place (go ahead, look at her IMDB). I'm fairly sure the discussion at WB were like, "Yeesh, look at the internets... we sure better find a female director out there to do this female-led movie or everyone is going to hate us and they already sort of hate us... I sure hope we can find someone moderately qualified." Oh, it's a gambit that paid off, for sure. My point is that the lesson to be learned shouldn't necessarily be, "Studios need to be forced to gamble! Equality!" It could have easily gone the other way. Equally untested Lexi Alexander directed "Punisher: War Zone" all the way back in 2008, and it bombed. Lana and Lilly Wachowski directed "Jupiter Ascending," which is basically like a comic book movie... another bomb. So I guess... Jenkins has the distinction of being the first female comic book movie director... to turn a profit? Well, I can understand how that doesn't sound nearly as prestigious.

[Sumac]

Nonsense, of course that's what she was saying. Otherwise that's tantamount to somebody speaking out about why there's so few women in sanitation jobs (https://foresternetwork.com/msw-management-magazine/ms-waste/ms-waste-collection/women-in-waste/). There just isn't. It's not evil white men refusing to give the jobs to women, there just isn't enough interest. Maybe one there will be but today there is not.

And that's OK.
There is no interest, because, women are discouraged from taking certain jobs / interests by men.

It is the same reason, why there are very few female scientists or female....come to think of it...anything. Like, if you look at the history as a whole, who was remembered first and foremost?

Then answer yourself a question, why did it happened: because women were less talented and smart or because men saw themselves as superior and recorded only their own deeds?

[Utrommaniac]

Not to mention that when women do become brilliant scientists, their efforts are not taken seriously. Hedy Lamarr is a prime example of this.

"Stop inventing bluetooth 50 years early, just sit in from of the camera and be pretty"

I think it's one situation leading into the other, and especially because science and sanitation work was a "NO GIRLZ ALLOWED" treehouse club for a massive period of time.

[IndigoErth]

recorded only their own deeds?
Or took credit for the work, which apparently happened to quite a few female scientists and others back in the day.

[Utrommaniac]

Can you say "Mary Anning"?

[Papenbrook]

There is liberal outrage over the Ugandan Knuckles meme

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I posted something similar to that.

http://s4.storage.akamai.coub.com/get/b60/p/coub/simple/cw_image/d43dcd17d35/addcc6dfff6866f546305/timeline_1491888606_00032.jpg

[Utrommaniac]

I'm pretty sure this is where all of that spawned from

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Which was intended just to say the words "Oh no" in this review (at 1:50) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP-QMWT3fIg)

[Papenbrook]

So many aspects within society are marred by corporatism, Neo-feudalism, wealth-ism, and and Neo-liberalism. As a result, our society is filled with corruption.

I wish that they would all just ... disappear and never come back. My dissatisfaction is gradually wearing me down.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

So many aspects within society are marred by corporatism, Neo-feudalism, wealth-ism, and and Neo-liberalism. As a result, our society is filled with corruption.

I wish that they would all just ... disappear and never come back. My dissatisfaction is gradually wearing me down.

Maybe its time to just accept the world as it is and move on?

The world isn't affected by your worrying, so all that time spent worrying is better spent being out there making a difference.

[Refractive Reflections]

So many aspects within society are marred by corporatism, Neo-feudalism, wealth-ism, and and Neo-liberalism. As a result, our society is filled with corruption.

I wish that they would all just ... disappear and never come back. My dissatisfaction is gradually wearing me down.

Well... corruption has always been prevalent in human history, along with the self-serving intentions behind them. Corruption of course waxes and wanes, but it will never fully be removed or disappear, otherwise it would be expecting society to become a utopia of sorts.

Don't place your personal satisfaction on these political and social events, as FredWolfLeonardo has stated, the world won't be affected by your worrying. Place your primary personal satisfaction on improving yourself, and your integrity in your sphere of influence.

[Papenbrook]

Apparently, liberal websites (the New York Times, the Atlantic, Slate, etc.) are "publications that serve to uphold racism and white supremacy". (https://wearyourvoicemag.com/identities/race/new-york-times-white-supremacist-publication)

[plastroncafe]

Yeah, I think I'm all set without giving that particular online mag extra traffic.

[Leonardo_thebest]

Might not be applicable, considering the men here don't date, but this seemed interesting
https://www.themarysue.com/sam-bee-feminists-men/

[Sumac]

Might not be applicable, considering the men here don't date, but this seemed interesting
https://www.themarysue.com/sam-bee-feminists-men/
What a gracefull absolutely not trollish response!

[Leonardo_thebest]

I'm starting to get why women don't frequent this board.

[ProphetofGanja]

Might not be applicable, considering the men here don't date, but this seemed interesting
https://www.themarysue.com/sam-bee-feminists-men/

Hmm, that sounds like gross generalization to me

https://media.giphy.com/media/lUcdWj3zKr48o/giphy.gif

But in any case, I happen to agree with Sam Bee regarding men like Aziz Ansari claiming to be feminist advocates but being waaay over the line when interacting with a woman in private while on a date

[Utrommaniac]

I'm starting to get why women don't frequent this board.

You clearly aren't paying attention if you can't tell who's a woman around here.

[TurtleTitan97]

I'm starting to get why women don't frequent this board.

Then you're a fool.

[Sumac]

I'm starting to get why women don't frequent this board.
All this delicious fat...Yummy! :P

[Leonardo_thebest]

Hey now, I just said what everyone was thinking. Touchy crowd.

To the five or six active women on the board, I apologize.

[plastroncafe]

No harm, no foul.

[ProphetofGanja]

Can we go back to not being a rampant dumpster fire now? At least for a little while :lol:

[Sumac]

Hey now, I just said what everyone was thinking. Touchy crowd.

To the five or six active women on the board, I apologize.
So far everyone are thinking that you either crazy or just not particularly bright troll.

[Katie]

Jesus. Quit feeding it

[Andrew NDB]

Jesus. Quit feeding it

Yep. This person knows exactly who is who.

[plastroncafe]

Jesus. Quit feeding it

I think my favorite part of this comment is how it doesn't specify which it you're referring to.

[Andrew NDB]

Latest outrage: Madonna makes an Aretha Franklin tribute and Twitter is outraged.

https://worldwideinterweb.com/madonnas-self-involved-aretha-franklin-tribute-outrages-twitter/?utm_content=buffer3653c&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=pettymayo&utm_campaign=bloomjoy

[sdp]

I hope people can see the irony of being outraged over people being outraged.

[Autbot_Benz]

Latest outrage: Madonna makes an Aretha Franklin tribute and Twitter is outraged.

https://worldwideinterweb.com/madonnas-self-involved-aretha-franklin-tribute-outrages-twitter/?utm_content=buffer3653c&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=pettymayo&utm_campaign=bloomjoy

If you read the article Madonna made it all about herself with one passing mention of Aretha Franklin at the end

[Andrew NDB]

If you read the article Madonna made it all about herself with one passing mention of Aretha Franklin at the end

I read the way the article is spinning it. Sounds like she was invited to speak, and came to the mic with an anecdote of a time Aretha Franklin -- if indirectly -- played a role in her life. And everyone goes crazy.

[mrmaczaps]

Its like playing bingo, except theres no numbers, just words... who to get mad at and what for and how long....

[Vegita-San]

I expect this thread will be the next one to be closed for 'under review' soon ;o)....

I didn't think the Madonna one, at least the audio excerpt I heard that was short, was all that bad. unless it went on longer.

[Leonardo_thebest]

I expect this thread will be the next one to be closed for 'under review' soon ;o)....

I didn't think the Madonna one, at least the audio excerpt I heard that was short, was all that bad. unless it went on longer.

I mean, considering your infantile need to report threads, sure.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean, considering your infantile need to report threads, sure.

Is this true? I've never reported anyone here, ever.

[Vegita-San]

nope, never reported threads. not sure where that delusion came from.

[Sumac]

nope, never reported threads. not sure where that delusion came from.
Projecting.

[Vegita-San]

one of a few people. hence the original intent of the joke ;o).

Saw something on the news the other day that for some reason to me screams 'revenge'. radio station is dealing with some drama that doesn't quite add up according to people who've read up on the claims that know how HR works. The statement from the boss just kind of screams 'SJW' level actions.

thought of the age of outrage thread when i saw this.

[Leonardo_thebest]

one of a few people. hence the original intent of the joke ;o).

Saw something on the news the other day that for some reason to me screams 'revenge'. radio station is dealing with some drama that doesn't quite add up according to people who've read up on the claims that know how HR works. The statement from the boss just kind of screams 'SJW' level actions.

thought of the age of outrage thread when i saw this.

Right, the Mods were inundated with messages, enough to close the thread, and you two had nothing to do with it. Lol.

I'm sure you're clean.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think the question here is, how many Star Trek posts can I make before Machias shuts down your argument?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-R25N95IZJAw/T9C-_5gzdZI/AAAAAAAAMPQ/_EjfprubEls/s1600/caps.jpg

Actually, the REAL question is... does that picture count for one or for five?

[Leonardo_thebest]

I think the question here is, how many Star Trek posts can I make before Machias shuts down your argument?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-R25N95IZJAw/T9C-_5gzdZI/AAAAAAAAMPQ/_EjfprubEls/s1600/caps.jpg

Actually, the REAL question is... does that picture count for one or for five?

The question is, why is the argument being shut down?

So far, it looks as though it's fine for Sumac and Vegetable to rage out with nonsense, but if we fight back, the mods step in...
Whats' up with that?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://replygif.net/i/198.gif

[Leonardo_thebest]

It's a valid question.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://i.imgur.com/W4ZZp.gif

[Leo656]

I think the question here is, how many Star Trek posts can I make before Machias shuts down your argument?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-R25N95IZJAw/T9C-_5gzdZI/AAAAAAAAMPQ/_EjfprubEls/s1600/caps.jpg

Actually, the REAL question is... does that picture count for one or for five?

William Shatner's fat ass easily counts for five. Ho-leeeeeee sh*t. Is that recent? :teek:

Apparently the Prime Directive says nothing about pillaging entire nations' worth of cheeseburgers for personal gain.

[Leonardo_thebest]

Boring.

..........

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

William Shatner's fat ass easily counts for five. Ho-leeeeeee sh*t. Is that recent? :teek:

Apparently the Prime Directive says nothing about pillaging entire nations' worth of cheeseburgers for personal gain.

Yeah, fairly recent. Shatner's put on some pounds, as has Mulgrew. And Brooks got crazy (crazier?). :tlol:

[Vegita-San]

we should all look that young at close to 90.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

we should all look that young at close to 90.

Yeah, no kidding. He and Stewart both are mentally as sharp as ever!

[Leo656]

Yeah, fairly recent. Shatner's put on some pounds, as has Mulgrew. And Brooks got crazy (crazier?). :tlol:

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

F-dZGsd2rAY

https://78.media.tumblr.com/20ea502c4c49730a18bb924395cf331c/tumblr_mjkbu75Gn61s5r0xzo1_400.gif

I was being POLITE, man. He's Captain James Tiberius Motherfvcking Kirk!

[Leo656]

If there's only two things I know, it's this:

1. Kirk over Picard.

2. Scott Steiner HATES Fat Asses.
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You absolutely can't have a thread about "outrage" without Big Poppa Pump. He's perpetually outraged.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Kirk couldn't have survived in the 24th century. He could barely make peace with the Klingons, and you expect me to believe he could bury the hatchet and work with both Romulans and Klingons against the Dominion and the Cardassians? Or that Kirk could last more than five seconds against the Borg Collective?

GTFO, man. Kirk's history. He's awesome, but he's history.

https://i.gifer.com/T6TS.gif

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

And Scott Steiner should be ashamed of himself. Stop fat shaming people, ya loser!

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PlumpCautiousAustraliancurlew-max-1mb.gif

[Andrew NDB]

So far, it looks as though it's fine for Sumac and Vegetable to rage out with nonsense, but if we fight back, the mods step in...
Whats' up with that?

That's generally not the way it goes at all. Generally Sumac and Vegita will start to argue with Plastron and Cappa and anyone else. Things will proceed back and forth, and sooner or later Plastron starts crying about imagined harassment from Sumac, Plastron either starts reporting at this point (along with anyone else) or maybe has already, then about a week later when the same discussion is still going on Machias shows up and shuts down the thread and/or bans people.

Kirk couldn't have survived in the 24th century.

He literally didn't survive the 24th century.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/65218168/zing.jpg

GTFO, man. Kirk's history. He's awesome, but he's history.

Agreed. I've always said... if Trek can't grow out of this nonsensical, post-Nemesis "We need Kirk! And Spock! And Enterprise! And lots of TOS connections!" then it doesn't deserve to endure at all. Kill it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

He literally didn't survive the 24th century.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/65218168/zing.jpg



Agreed. I've always said... if Trek can't grow out of this nonsensical, post-Nemesis "We need Kirk! And Spock! And Enterprise! And lots of TOS connections!" then it doesn't deserve to endure at all. Kill it.

https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/50f/7c/stgeneration.gif

If you look at it from a broad perspective, the 24th (and 22nd!) shows gave us far more interesting characters than the 23rd century ever did.

Spock and a bunch of humans... versus Worf, Data, Q, Kira, Dukat, Dax, Quark, Nog, Odo, Seven, the Doctor, Phlox, Shran, and T'Pol. Plus a bunch of humans and other Klingons.

But no, let's keep rebooting Kirk and Spock. :trolleye:

[plastroncafe]

This is pretty much how I feel about mainstream comics as well.

But really what it is, is creators who've finally gotten to the place where they can play with the Big Toys wanting to recreate the stories they wish had been told when they were kids.

[newfan]

An actual reboot where the characters were brought back as the main cast was only done once in the new movies. (so far as TV, I didn't even know they had comics) Do you mean that the shows still tie to them? I haven't watched Discovery but isn't Spock connected there?

So... I like the characters of something that was the Original version of a franchise....and I'm still in the minority on here :lol: (though I think there are only few ST fans on here?)
I do like next gen and it's close with captains but I'd still choose Kirk if I had to.

[Andrew NDB]

An actual reboot where the characters were brought back as the main cast was only done once in the new movies. (so far as TV, I didn't even know they had comics) Do you mean that the shows still tie to them? I haven't watched Discovery but isn't Spock connected there?

Yeah, it stars Spock's sister. And Sarek. And now Enterprise and Pike and Spock himself in season 2.

[newfan]

[QUOTE=Andrew NDB;1774824]Yeah, it stars Spock's sister. And Sarek. And now Enterprise and Pike and Spock himself in season 2.[/QUOTE

Well they have all his family. While I love Spock I still don't feel in a race to see this (given what I've read on here :)), but should take a look really.

[Vegita-San]

That's generally not the way it goes at all. Generally Sumac and Vegita will start to argue with Plastron and Cappa and anyone else. Things will proceed back and forth, and sooner or later Plastron starts crying about imagined harassment from Sumac, Plastron either starts reporting at this point (along with anyone else) or maybe has already, then about a week later when the same discussion is still going on Machias shows up and shuts down the thread and/or bans people.


Agreed. I've always said... if Trek can't grow out of this nonsensical, post-Nemesis "We need Kirk! And Spock! And Enterprise! And lots of TOS connections!" then it doesn't deserve to endure at all. Kill it.


Correction. I start to agree or disagree with whatever is being said. then the people I ignore start arguments I don't see until someone quotes it and then the thread gets locked somehow ;o).

I agree on star trek (uh oh, the start of it! :)) . All this nostalgia bait has long since lived passed it's usefull ness. especially since 98% of the people doing it don't appreciate what they've been told they need to respect in order to bring fans in.... hence, in name only.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, it stars Spock's sister. And Sarek. And now Enterprise and Pike and Spock himself in season 2.

And Klingons! Who look... damn, not a thing like Klingons. Neither smooth or ridged.

But hey, who wants to see the Enterprise NCC-1701 again?

[plastroncafe]

And that right there is the 2nd main reason I haven't watched Disco all the way through yet. I really don't like the Klingon designs as they are in the first few episodes. They just look...far too bulky to be at all practical.

(The first being that I've no real interest in giving CBS money, and haven't had enough free time to just mainline the entire show during the free 30 day trial.)

If you're going to have something set in early Trek timelines, then you're bound to have Spock's family pop up, so I don't mind Spock showing up, his family is really prominent. It's just, these legacy characters should show up about as much as Vimes does in the Moist von Lipwig Discworld books.

Which I realize is a reference that very few people will get, but its still the best one I've got on hand at the moment.

[Andrew NDB]

The Klingons are said to be fixed in season 2. We will see other clans in it that look like real Klingons and they claim this was always the intent... even though we see a scene with representatives from ALL Klingon clans in season 1 and they all look bald and weird like the rest of them.

[Leonardo_thebest]

I love the ghosting, but let the record show:

Vegetable snipes, Sumac pontificates some of his Putin approved bollocks, at some point Plastron drops her 2 cents, Fred wolf Leo decides we're against his god, Cure tells us we need jesus from the ER. CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy tries out some material he thinks is fun, it blows, Indigo earth tries to have a normal, sensible conversation, and Andrew feigns interest, but worries we'll take his guns away, so slides alongside the vegetable. 656 tries to be relevant every 2 years.

More like that.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The Klingons are said to be fixed in season 2. We will see other clans in it that look like real Klingons and they claim this was always the intent... even though we see a scene with representatives from ALL Klingon clans in season 1 and they all look bald and weird like the rest of them.

Yeah. Season 2 Klingons will either be damage control or doubling down.

(The first being that I've no real interest in giving CBS money, and haven't had enough free time to just mainline the entire show during the free 30 day trial.)

Same. I'll probably shell out the money when the Picard show happens. Till then, I'm still cranking through my list on Netflix...

[Candy Kappa]

I guess that's one of the nice things about STD is that outside of US it's available on Netflix, still not seen a single episode of it yet.

[plastroncafe]

I guess that's one of the nice things about STD is that outside of US it's available on Netflix, still not seen a single episode of it yet.

From what I've seen, which is again...very limited.
If you enjoyed the reboot of Battlestar, you'll like this.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

From what I've seen, which is again...very limited.
If you enjoyed the reboot of Battlestar, you'll like this.

I loved nuBSG. I mean, obviously, given the name, right? :tlol:

[Vegita-San]

The Klingons are said to be fixed in season 2. We will see other clans in it that look like real Klingons and they claim this was always the intent... even though we see a scene with representatives from ALL Klingon clans in season 1 and they all look bald and weird like the rest of them.

riiiiight.

their re imagined 'we can do 'em better' klingons where such a hit from the start they had to change them back.

oops, i just insulted someone somewhere ;o)

[plastroncafe]

Did I know that about you?
I don't know...this might be the first time I'm coming across that information.

;)

But yeah, my experience of the Trek universe is that it's largely an optimistic place, and this show is missing that wave of positivism.
Things are darker, and there's more moral ambiguity.
Which I don't mind?
But...which still feels jarring coming from something with Star Trek in the header.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

riiiiight.

their re imagined 'we can do 'em better' klingons where such a hit from the start they had to change them back.

oops, i just insulted someone somewhere ;o)

It's okay, Worf, Martok, Gowron, B'Elanna, and K'Ehleyr all agree with you.

[Leo656]

And Scott Steiner should be ashamed of himself. Stop fat shaming people, ya loser!

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PlumpCautiousAustraliancurlew-max-1mb.gif

YOU tell him. He's pretty hung up about it.
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And if you still aren't convinced, THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE.
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141 and 2/3s chance that Freakzilla rips your argument to shreds while doing one-arm push-ups.

[Andrew NDB]

But yeah, my experience of the Trek universe is that it's largely an optimistic place, and this show is missing that wave of positivism.
Things are darker, and there's more moral ambiguity.
Which I don't mind?
But...which still feels jarring coming from something with Star Trek in the header.

STD: lots of very angry people shouting and screaming, blowing stuff up and pointing guns at each other all the time and killing lots of people. And an F bomb. Normally, outside of Star Trek... all things that I like! But in this show? Under a Star Trek banner? Under a stupid prequel banner that no one wanted? Cancer.

[Andrew NDB]

Nike announces Kaepernick is their new spokesperson and a bunch of people are cutting the Nike logos off of everything.

https://www.totalprosports.com/2018/09/03/outraged-fans-are-cutting-nike-swooshes-off-apparel-after-kaepernick-announcement-pics/

[Andrew NDB]

Obama says women make better leaders:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/16/politics/barack-obama-women-are-better-than-men/index.html

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Obama says women make better leaders:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/16/politics/barack-obama-women-are-better-than-men/index.html

plastron will not come back, no matter how hard we try :lol:

[TommyT]

So, I was looking to apply for a job at Twitter.

In Canada, they ask the basics: Name, Current occupation, and contact.

In the US, they additionally ask for Age, Gender, Sexual orientation and Ethnicity?
No wonder your politics are so messed up. Here, it's against the law, as most of that is considered private information.

I feel for you.

[IndigoErth]

Age is typical. Haven't ever come across "orientation," though I assume like "ethnicity" it's probably only optional and voluntary. I don't think they can legally require anyone to give that info.

[TommyT]

Age is typical. Haven't ever come across "orientation," though I assume like "ethnicity" it's probably only optional and voluntary. I don't think they can legally require anyone to give that info.


It's against the law here to ask age, as it can be discriminatory. You can figure it out, based on work history, but an employer can catch a fine for asking.

The Twitter jobs, anyone can apply, and see that it isn't optional.

My question is, how does this fit a leftist agenda? The point is not to discriminate right? The best person for the job? Not cherry pick applicants who fit your ideal candidate based on race and gender identification.

[IMJ]

Age is typical. Haven't ever come across "orientation," though I assume like "ethnicity" it's probably only optional and voluntary. I don't think they can legally require anyone to give that info.

You're right, they can't require it, but what they do is that if you don't answer or leave blank they will generally overlook your application claiming that it is "incomplete". Or more realistically they will make no claim at all and still simply overlook your application. There is a significant amount of "social justice" hiring and firing done by liberal thinkers in the U.S. The "gatekeeper" process is ridiculous.

Many, many, many of the low-level HR positions in the states are filled with angry, social-justice wielding people doing the hiring. Here, the term "social justice" is used at the most grass roots of levels - basically a low-level HR person in a position of power (in this case, a job-seekers fate) passing a judgment on that job seeker but not based on your work presentation, but instead based on any element that hiring person can extract a judgement from - even if that judgement is derived from their own "fairness heuristics". Of course, they will report that they are making "team based judgements", or "business branded decisions" but they are lying.

Low level HR people behave just as a social criminal in that they get a job that allows them to act out their power fantasy. If an HR person doing the hiring thinks you are like that guy in High School who wouldn't date them, they won't open the gate - it could be as simple as that or any other minor configuration of BS mental algebra they deem appropriate. The "gatekeepers". And even if you get hired, one of the earliest lessons you learn when you enter the work force is that HR is not there for the employee at all, regardless of what they will tell you.