April O'Neil. First Look

[AlZarkovski]

From Nick Designer's Twitter. My source confirms that this is almost the final version.

https://pp.userapi.com/c830708/v830708700/29dc0/NOOmkFfEIkw.jpg

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Looks Great. Can't wait to see her in full colour.

[CyberCubed]

Considering she's wearing a raincoat, a walking stick, and a backpack, I'm guessing that won't be her standard clothes? I wonder what her "regular" clothes will look like. Would be cool if she wore that hat all the time though.

Oh, and almost forgot to say looks like teen April is confirmed. I figured she would be a teenager again since the Nick version worked well being close to the Turtles age.

[Utrommaniac]

She looks great :D ! Can't wait for the full version.

[CyberCubed]

To be honest she looks like a kid version of Kat Graham. Really looks like they modeled the design after the voice actress. Makes me wonder how much of the design was finalized before they chose the VA. Although given they purposely went with an African American April this time, I guess they had Kat Graham in mind from the start?

[Shark_Blade]

It looks like she's gonna be a black girl?

Her clothes suck though, let's see her final design.

[newfan]

I'm glad the design isn't summer short looking, just want to see the turtles now.

[Papenbrook]

Wow! She looks ... really cute! ✰-✰

I'm already in love with it. :) I can't wait to see her final design.

[Ninjinister]

It looks like she's gonna be a black girl?


You haven't been following this, have you?

[Papenbrook]

Oh, and almost forgot to say looks like teen April is confirmed. I figured she would be a teenager again since the Nick version worked well being close to the Turtles age.

I don't know. She looks a bit younger than 2k12 April.

I guess we'll see, though.

[neatoman]

My immediate thought was Clementine.
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Hy7Vw0nq-TVK0n2HcxzKDaEJxEM=/80x0:940x573/1200x800/filters:focal(80x0:940x573)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/assets/1922887/the_walking_dead_clementine_1020.jpg

[Sumac]

Should have used Angel.

Otherwise, design is nice, but generic.

[Papenbrook]

What's with that stain on her jeans? :-?

Is it a temporary wardrobe choice (as in, a one episode/time thing) or is it a permanent clothing decision?

[Utrommaniac]

It's probably more like a gigantic tear in her jeans. From the overall way of the way she's dressed, I'd guess she's homeless/on the run/poor/from the bad side of town/all of the above, which would really give her a good excuse to hang around the turtles as frequently as she would in the new show.

Might as well do something that makes sense instead of dropping the ball as with 2012 April.

[Vegita-San]

It's probably more like a gigantic tear in her jeans. From the overall way of the way she's dressed, I'd guess she's homeless/on the run/poor/from the bad side of town/all of the above, which would really give her a good excuse to hang around the turtles as frequently as she would in the new show.
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oh god, I hope not. Wouldn't that be a stereo type?

Carter came off from a well enough area of town that he could afford college and had no problem moving in with the turtles.

[Candy Kappa]

she looks cute, maybe a bit bland but that's probably the clothes' fault

[Jester]

It's probably more like a gigantic tear in her jeans. From the overall way of the way she's dressed, I'd guess she's homeless/on the run/poor/from the bad side of town/all of the above, which would really give her a good excuse to hang around the turtles as frequently as she would in the new show.

Might as well do something that makes sense instead of dropping the ball as with 2012 April.

I got the same vibe off the design, she a homeless kid and that's how she's tied to the Turtles.

[plastroncafe]

Loving the line work on that April pic.
And part of me hopes that comes from a storyline where she and the turtles are on the run.

Off the Grid runaway kids would certainly be neat hook.

[sdp]

This first look also gives us an idea of the art style the show will take and so far so good, I expected a "wackier" look with more cartoony proportions.

[Coola Yagami]

I got the same vibe off the design, she a homeless kid and that's how she's tied to the Turtles.

Kinda hope not. I mean we finally get a black April and they make her homelesss?

[sdp]

April being homeless is a great idea, if it's such a problem because she's black then they should've made her white as she is supposed to be.

Who wants to get that raincoat is yellow?



Should have used Angel.
c.

I would've preferred that, and it would've been cool to have Angel be the girl who !sets the turtles instead of April, now that is an interesting change to the status quo. Changing the color of April's skin doesn't.

[Coola Yagami]

April being homeless is a great idea, if it's such a problem because she's black then they should've made her white as she is supposed to be.

Who wants to get that raincoat is yellow?





I would've preferred that, and it would've been cool to have Angel be the girl who !sets the turtles instead of April, now that is an interesting change to the status quo. Changing the color of April's skin doesn't.

If she starts talking stereotypical black I'm gonna assume Cubed is one of the writers.

[Chabrendeki]

I don't think the "lighter" "comedic" show will present a homeless April. That would be too serious.

Could only be topped if she had a teen pregnancy and give birth to Angel.

[sdp]

Could only be topped if she had a teen pregnancy and give birth to Angel.

I'm up for TMNT: Degrassi, this is 2018 , stop living in the past these things happen and kids need to know about them. Nothing wrong with pregnant single April.

[plastroncafe]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not really seeing that as a homeless look, so much as it is a hiking incognito one. She has a walking stick, imagine if she were a homeless kid in the city she might be a little more sports inclined, a la Casey.

[Andrew NDB]

Seems fine to me. If we are to go down the route of "Young April" again.

[sdp]

Seems fine to me. If we are to go down the route of "Young April" again.

This is more what I had in mind when I wanted a young April, a 16 adventurous girl. The Nick 2012 version didn't work for me.

And young Casey should be 18 not younger so there's plausibility that he's a tough guy. 2012 was too young.

I just hope we don't always get a teen April from Nick... That would be a problem. Having two In a row is ok tho.

[Vicky82]

From Nick Designer's Twitter. My source confirms that this is almost the final version.

https://pp.userapi.com/c830708/v830708700/29dc0/NOOmkFfEIkw.jpg

Cool, hopefully we will see the finished design soon.

[Andrew NDB]

How much you want to bet it's a yellow coat she's wearing? :roll:

[Papenbrook]

From Nick Designer's Twitter. My source confirms that this is almost the final version.

https://pp.userapi.com/c830708/v830708700/29dc0/NOOmkFfEIkw.jpg

If I come across as too confrontational and/or rude, then I apologize in advance.

Are you sure that is the accurate design of 2k18 April? Do you have any sources that certify your confirmation?

[Vegita-San]

Kinda hope not. I mean we finally get a black April and they make her homelesss?

Like i said before, isn't that a stereo type that would be screamed down from the hills?

[Andrew NDB]

Like i said before, isn't that a stereo type that would be screamed down from the hills?

Is it? I don't think there's any more black homeless people than there are white ones, nor any stereotype to that end.

[Vegita-San]

I would've preferred that, and it would've been cool to have Angel be the girl who !sets the turtles instead of April, now that is an interesting change to the status quo. Changing the color of April's skin doesn't.

Yep. I wouldn't mind a show with no April.

BUT, that would be CREATIVE, now wouldn't it? sigh... I really hope this isn't the slow decent of turtles into main stream 'creativity' where in a few years it won't even resemble what we loved.

[sdp]

I wonder if we will get any more leaks soon before the reveal. This first leak gives me hope for the turtle designs; it's the art style I wanted for the 2012 show.

[Andrew NDB]

I wonder if we will get any more leaks soon before the reveal. This first leak gives me hope for the turtle designs; it's the art style I wanted for the 2012 show.

If anything, it looks like they won't be going all-out Teen Titans Go! on it.

Kind of a slight "Zelda: Wind Waker" thing going on there, though. No?

[TigerClaw]

From Nick Designer's Twitter. My source confirms that this is almost the final version.

https://pp.userapi.com/c830708/v830708700/29dc0/NOOmkFfEIkw.jpg

She looks good, I wonder if that is a tattoo on her left leg?

Btw, do you have the link to the twitter post?

[victory_angel]

April being homeless is a great idea, if it's such a problem because she's black then they should've made her white as she is supposed to be.

Who wants to get that raincoat is yellow?





I would've preferred that, and it would've been cool to have Angel be the girl who !sets the turtles instead of April, now that is an interesting change to the status quo. Changing the color of April's skin doesn't.

Maybe it’s the same situation as Tip from Home. In Home all the Boov perform what they call a friendly take over and send all the humans in the world to Australia. And Tip was accidentally forgotten when she got separated from her mother.

So maybe April isn’t homeless in a runaway or abandoned sense, but more trying to find out what happened to her father following a Kraang invasion

[Vegita-San]

who just happens to be...

da da DAAAAAAA...

BAXTER STOCKMAN!

Now there's a twist.

[plastroncafe]

Maybe it’s the same situation as Tip from Home. In Home all the Boov perform what they call a friendly take over and send all the humans in the world to Australia. And Tip was accidentally forgotten when she got separated from her mother.

So maybe April isn’t homeless in a runaway or abandoned sense, but more trying to find out what happened to her father following a Kraang invasion

That....would be kind of awesome!

[IndigoErth]

What's with that stain on her jeans? :-?
Personally I assumed it was a hole in her jeans, and possibly just the style.






Was hoping for a return of adult April, that might have made her actually feel more like April (hopefully a more April feel will come later), but it's a cute design. She does look a bit younger yet.

[CyberCubed]

I don't think those will be her regular clothes in every episode. You really think April will walk around in a huge raincoat? It's probably just a scene from when the Turtles first meet her in the sewers or something.

As for the art style, I'm glad it looks traditional and nothing too wacky. Looks like a mix of Spectacular Spiderman and Avatar to be honest. Maybe a little Teen Titans 2003 vibe as well.

[sdp]

Kraang invasion takes April meanwhile Baxter's daughter finds out about his father's evil science and his work with the Kraang and runs away and to hide from her father she takes April O Neil's name as she wonders around without a home. Perfect solution :D

All of this will be revealed until season 5. But we now know she's not actually April :tcool:

If anything, it looks like they won't be going all-out Teen Titans Go! on it.

Kind of a slight "Zelda: Wind Waker" thing going on there, though. No?

Don't confuse Teen Titans with Teen Titans Go!
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUuQrcxZ5vNQd0pIdonIT7BLqHIRID_ eLwux-FWQqtD0W9BK6C3bpZQwO7

It doesn't look anything like TTG (which I'd be ok with) like TT? Could be which I'd like. It's what I wanted for 2012

[TigerClaw]

Gonna post this image on twitter, I need to find the twitter that originally posted the image.

[CyberCubed]

It reminds me of the short-lived Spectacular Spiderman cartoon:

http://www.craiglotter.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/the-spectacular-spider-man-television-screenshot-3.jpg

I imagine it might look something like this.

[newfan]

Gonna post this image on twitter, I need to find the twitter that originally posted the image.

Are you tweeting it to TMNT? I've checked to see if they have tweeted it but haven't yet.

[TigerClaw]

Are you tweeting it to TMNT? I've checked to see if they have tweeted it but haven't yet.
Nope, they haven't tweeted that.

[PApagreg]

Am I the only one who thinks this April looks like a mix between Proud Family and Lilo and Stitch character

[TigerClaw]

Here's my tweet.
https://twitter.com/TigerClaw305/status/948263249253892096

[plastroncafe]

Am I the only one who thinks this April looks like a mix between Proud Family and Lilo and Stitch character

Had to google that.
I was thinking more along the lines of Don Bluth or Atlantis: The Lost Empire.

[IndigoErth]

Am I the only one who thinks this April looks like a mix between Proud Family and Lilo and Stitch character
There's a light resemblance.

Now all we need is for all the mutants they come across to be known as "Experiment #..." lol

[sdp]

Here's my tweet.
https://twitter.com/TigerClaw305/status/948263249253892096

Had already tweeted it

https://mobile.twitter.com/0sdp/status/948231347952345089
How much you want to bet it's a yellow coat she's wearing? :roll:

Had already made the bet too :P

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1737508&postcount=21

[newhire13]

A bit off topic, and I’m sure I’m late at finding this out, but looking at Ciro’s Instagram I saw that he originally considered making his April Black too. I wonder if the new producers came in with the same idea or if they were reworking ideas from the previous show.

[TigerClaw]

Had already tweeted it

https://mobile.twitter.com/0sdp/status/948231347952345089


Had already made the bet too :P

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1737508&postcount=21
The more tweets about it the better, btw you forgot to include the #TMNT hashtag. :twink:

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if the same person could possibly leak the designs for the Turtles?

[newfan]

Not if they get in trouble for this, waiting to see if TMNT confirm the designs or ignore the tweets.

[Andrew NDB]

Had already made the bet too :P

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1737508&postcount=21

It's easy money.

[sdp]

Since Raphael is the leader I wonder if he'll be at the front of the group, in fact he most likely will in all the artwork like Leo usually does.

The backlash/outrage will be hilarious to see, black April won't be able to match it. We already saw how the drome took it, imagine the rest of the net.

[IndigoErth]

Nothing on DA yet?? If there aren't fan-colored redraws and other inspired art by dinner I will be surprised. :P

[victory_angel]

Perhaps this could be how April’s first encounter with the turtles will go.
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She wouldn’t know her father was abducted by the Kraang or Triceratons or whoever she would only know her father was abducted to be sure. So when she meets the Turtles she initially thinks they are the creatures that took her father are the Turtles until proven otherwise.

[sdp]

I actually hope the Kraang stay as a 2012 only thing. They were ok but no need for another show with them.

And no psychic powers for April either.

[CyberCubed]

Since Raphael is the leader I wonder if he'll be at the front of the group, in fact he most likely will in all the artwork like Leo usually does.

The backlash/outrage will be hilarious to see, black April won't be able to match it. We already saw how the drome took it, imagine the rest of the net.

One of my big fears is Raph will be physically larger than the other Turtles, similar to how big Nick's Slash was to the regular Turtles. The description says Raph is the oldest and largest of the Turtles, I really hope they don't make him some huge hulk like design, or draw him big like Nick Slash was.

I actually hope the Kraang stay as a 2012 only thing. They were ok but no need for another show with them.

More likely we'll probably see Krang himself lead an evil band of Utrom. That's basically what the Kraang were anyway, they were just Utroms enslaved under the hive mind of Kraang Prime, and Kraang Subprime was designed to be Fred Wolf Krang's counterpart.

[Ninjinister]

Here's my tweet.
https://twitter.com/TigerClaw305/status/948263249253892096

Why does this matter?

Like i said before, isn't that a stereo type that would be screamed down from the hills?

How the f**k is this a stereotype?

[Vicky82]

Had already tweeted it

https://mobile.twitter.com/0sdp/status/948231347952345089


The more tweets about it the better, btw you forgot to include the #TMNT hashtag. :twink:

I've posted it on Tumblr too.

[IndigoErth]

One of my big fears is Raph will be physically larger than the other Turtles, similar to how big Nick's Slash was to the regular Turtles. The description says Raph is the oldest and largest of the Turtles, I really hope they don't make him some huge hulk like design, or draw him big like Nick Slash was.
Nah... prob just big like PD. :tlol:

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Or probably how Nick Donatello is taller than all of his fellow turtles, just with Raph's muscle.

[CyberCubed]

Depends on the size. I expect them to all look unique again like the Nick Turtles, but as long as it's not too much a difference. Nick's Slash towered over the Turtles, if they draw Raph like that it'll completely ruin the team dynamic of all the Turtles seeming like equal fighters.

[Vegita-San]

Is it? I don't think there's any more black homeless people than there are white ones, nor any stereotype to that end.

Maybe not the right word, but it Does seem like it'd be the first thing people would gravitate to complain too, just to complain. 'why isn't she a scientist, why does she have to be a subway MTA Worker?'

I will say the art style is a little less stylized looking than I feared it was going to be.

[sdp]

April should be a scientist though,

If she's a teen then she can't but at least she should be part of the high school newspaper to be a reporter.

[CyberCubed]

Since this is 2D and not CG this time, now they can actually show April in school and her classmates rather than the barren hallways in the first season. :lol:

Also if Irma shows up hopefully she's not a Kraang/Utrom this time. :lol:

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Since this is 2D and not CG this time, now they can actually show April in school and her classmates rather than the barren hallways in the first season. :lol:

Also if Irma shows up hopefully she's not a Kraang/Utrom this time. :lol:

And Vernon/Casey as her classmates while Burne is the hot headed teacher.

I wonder whether Krang, the Utroms or both will be used for this series. If the crossover with Nick turtles will really happen with this show, you can bet they will have a Kraang villain who is later revealed to be from the Nick series.

[IndigoErth]

April should be a scientist though,

If she's a teen then she can't but at least she should be part of the high school newspaper to be a reporter.

Orrrrrr.... the school science club wiz.


And Vernon
Ever since getting kid April and Casey I've been both curious and terrified of seeing a kid Vernon. That's undoubtedly one whiny brat right there.

Principal is also an option for Mr. Burne. At this rate, make Baxter the twisted science teacher who goes bad eventually.

[sdp]

I don't think we'll see many established characters. I'm guessing new main villain,
and only later seasons will feature known villains/allies after fan complains online.

And Vernon/Casey as her classmates while Burne is the hot headed teacher.

I wonder whether Krang, the Utroms or both will be used for this series. If the crossover with Nick turtles will really happen with this show, you can bet they will have a Kraang villain who is later revealed to be from the Nick series.

Yes!that's how I imagined a Teen April show , Stockman could be the science teacher. Sort of like X-Men evolution but with TMNT and each season was a year of HS so the characters would evolve like they did in XM:E

Otherwise I just prefer adult April

[CyberCubed]

Do you think Casey Jones will be introduced right away or hold him off till the second season like Nick did? I hope Casey stays white though, I don't want every characters race changed. I could see them making him hispanic though.

[Ninjinister]

Maybe not the right word, but it Does seem like it'd be the first thing people would gravitate to complain too, just to complain. 'why isn't she a scientist, why does she have to be a subway MTA Worker?'

I will say the art style is a little less stylized looking than I feared it was going to be.

I feel like that would only have a thread of validity if it had a reason to stand out. Like if 6 white characters in a black character's circle were all scientists or board members and that black character was a mechanic, and the only black character in the series/group. But just having a blue collar or unemployed/homeless black character isn't a stereotype itself. If we got a white Casey who is a biochemist then we might have a problem.

Then again look at Ghostbusters... Winston was the only one not from a scientific background and he was better off for it - the audience surrogate, voice of reason, and personally my favorite character of the series.

[Aaronardo]

Hey, that's a pretty good-looking design. I have a slight bit of optimism about this series now.

Do you think Casey Jones will be introduced right away or hold him off till the second season like Nick did? I hope Casey stays white though, I don't want every characters race changed. I could see them making him hispanic though.

Now that you bring it up, with Raph as the leader, it should be interesting to see how they use Casey, if at all. Could they use it as an opportunity to outline Raph's shortcomings as a leader, or will they make him more like a father figure for Casey? Or maybe they won't use that dynamic at all.

[DevilSpooky]

That's... A lot better then I was expecting... Ok Nick, you got my attention now, maybe it wont turn out a complete failure, at least the figures might turn out good.

[Metalwolf]

Do you think Casey Jones will be introduced right away or hold him off till the second season like Nick did? I hope Casey stays white though, I don't want every characters race changed. I could see them making him hispanic though.If they keep him white, that would be a relationship that is rarely ever portrayed in TV- a black girl with a white boy. One is more far more likely to see a gay relationship on TV then this kind.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out, as for one thing, I am really excited they are going this direction.

[TigerClaw]

If they keep him white, that would be a relationship that is rarely ever portrayed in TV- a black girl with a white boy. One is more far more likely to see a gay relationship on TV then this kind.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out, as for one thing, I am really excited they are going this direction.
I hope they keep Casey Jones white, you rarely see shows featuring characters in interracial relationships.

[Vegita-San]

fred Wolf Actually had an episode where you saw an interacial couple walking in the streets and then run away :).

[Ninjinister]

Do you have the Twiiter who posted it originally?

I feel like this is an important question that nobody is taking seriously.

[TigerClaw]

I feel like this is an important question that nobody is taking seriously.
The question is, does that Twitter post still exist, sometimes a designer might post something, then deletes the post after getting in trouble.

[Papenbrook]

While introducing an interracial relationship ( in the upcoming show ) would be a pleasant and welcoming change, I would much prefer a show that doesn't depict any romantic relationships.

Usually, too many shows rely on romance for plot points/arcs, and usually, they tend to fail spectacularly, either through unfortunate circumstances/implications and/or using too much time/episodes that could be focused on developing characters, world-building, story-lines, etc.

Just view the Apriltello/Capril love triangle plot-line (2k12 TMNT) as an example. It was riddled with unpleasant messages/implications (Girls are prizes that should be oogled/ fought over. Just keep pressuring them until they say yes.) Not to mention, it had the unintended consequence of taking up too much time that could've been focused on more important aspects of the show.

Romantic plot-lines can also raise the issue of character derailment, either through out-of-character moments and/or regressing character development. For Leonardo, his ship tease with Karai made it feel like his character had regressed ( in my opinion ). He would act increasingly arrogant around her. It always seemed to bother me.

In addition, far too many female characters have had the misfortune of participating in/centering on a(n) otherwise unnecessary ship-tease/romantic relationship. Mikey has had two crushes (Renet, Shinigami) in the previous series. If that wasn't frustrating enough, Ciro Nieli implied that Michelangelo would have had a crush on (or be in a romance with) Irma. Even though that plotline was never actually followed through, it still ticked me off to no end. Even Mona Lisa, a developed and relatable female character, needed to be in a romance with Raphael.

Finally, almost all of the 2k12 relationships never seem to develop properly with near-perfect timing, consistency, and circumstance. Subsequently, they can either come across as very quickly paced, under-developed, poorly written, and/or heavily underutilized.

It never seems that female characters can/could develop separately from the male characters, let alone stay single. It always seems that they have to revolve around said male characters, by being the target of their affections or even dating them. Not only does it negatively affect female characters, but it would also basically ruin the male characters as well.

For those reasons, I think romance seems like a somewhat unnecessary aspect that could be taken out and/or strayed away. I just don't see any beneficial/positive aspects that would come from it. Relatively, I would like to see a show that relying on completely platonic/familial relationships, while completely forgoing possible ship tease/romance.

Those are my thoughts on the matter.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Not even close,

Apriltello was treated as a side joke in the Nick series, not meaning to be taken seriously and it didn't take up much screentime at all aside from maybe one episode.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles will always revolve around male characters, the main characters are four male teenagers for pete's sake.

[PApagreg]

Not even close,

Apriltello was treated as a side joke in the Nick series, not meaning to be taken seriously and it didn't take up much screentime at all aside from maybe one episode.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles will always revolve around male characters, the main characters are four male teenagers for pete's sake.

It took up a fair amount of screentime during the first 2 seasons and whether or not it was meant to be taken seriously kinda zig zagged

[FredWolfLeonardo]

It took up a fair amount of screentime during the first 2 seasons and whether or not it was meant to be taken seriously kinda zig zagged

If you count a fair amount of screentime as say, equivalent to pizza jokes then yes, I agree its a regularly occuring thing that happened maybe once or twice every episode, but the gag was usually only a few seconds long.

The only episodes I can think of that were dedicated to AprilTello were A Foot Too Big and that one other farm episode where Donatello and Casey Jones fight alot until becoming friends at the end.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah, each episode is roughly 22 minutes. In most eps that had it, the Don/April jokes got like 1 minute of screentime, sometimes it was only 15-30 seconds.

[Papenbrook]

Not even close,

Apriltello was treated as a side joke in the Nick series, not meaning to be taken seriously and it didn't take up much screentime at all aside from maybe one episode.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles will always revolve around male characters, the main characters are four male teenagers for pete's sake.

Still, that bothered me. Why do individuals feel to need to make characters have romances, let alone have crushes?

I would prefer if the turtles were single, or even aromantic (nonromatic)/ romance-repulsed.

[Ninjinister]

The question is, does that Twitter post still exist, sometimes a designer might post something, then deletes the post after getting in trouble.

Well if there's no way to verify legitimacy, I'm going to remain skeptical until verification can be provided.

I mean Al could have been fooled or trolling us or any number of things here.

I mean a reverse image search only brings up here and 4Chan.

[plastroncafe]

Still, that bothered me. Why do individuals feel to need to make characters have romances, let alone have crushes?

I would prefer if the turtles were single, or even aromantic (nonromatic)/ romance-repulsed.

Where as to me, romance is just another kind of relationship, and I don't believe interesting characters can exist without some kind of relationship.

Love, and being loved, is part of the human experience.

[Coola Yagami]

Where as to me, romance is just another kind of relationship, and I don't believe interesting characters can exist without some kind of relationship.

Love, and being loved, is part of the human experience.

They're mutant turtles though....

[IndigoErth]

Alright, part of the people/intelligent Earthling experience.



Gotta agree though. While it doesn't necessarily have to go full on into it, at least some touches of it (light crushes or whatnot) makes them more well rounded and relatable. (Not overboard, and not even necessarily in every incarnation.) A side of the inner human within them.

[plastroncafe]

They're mutant turtles though....

WHAT?!
SINCE WHEN?!?!

;-)

They're mutant turtles raised in a human world. Sometimes they're raised by a sensei that used to be human, but in pretty much every incarnation there's been some sense of longing to be topside with everyone else.

No one questions that they have love, and are loved, by Splinter.
And few would argue that they have a fraternal love for each other.
Or even a sororal/maternal love for April.

[Sumac]

They're mutant turtles though....
So?
They are human-like Mutant Turtles, with feelings and desires like a humans. Just because they are not (entirely) humans, doesn't mean that they can not have romantic desires. In fact, it would have been very bizarre if they did not.

Still, that bothered me. Why do individuals feel to need to make characters have romances, let alone have crushes?

I would prefer if the turtles were single, or even aromantic (nonromatic)/ romance-repulsed.
You are weird, you know?

Also, romances allow to dive deeper into characters and show them from different sides.

[victory_angel]

The teen years are the time where a human body is prepared for procreation. So it’s natural the Turtles would be attracted to human woman or just humans in general.

If there were female mutants available then the idea of the Turtles being with a human girl would not be as much of an issue. But if humans were completely off the table...

[Andrew NDB]

They're mutant turtles though....

Yes, they are (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Crisler%27s%20Law).

The teen years are the time where a human body is prepared for procreation. So it’s natural the Turtles would be attracted to human woman or just humans in general.

But the Turtles don't have human bodies. And we have no idea how the new show will even address the ooze, insomuch as "is it 50/50 Turtle human?" "is it just a hyper-evolved turtle?"

[shredder orokusaki]

who just happens to be...

da da DAAAAAAA...

BAXTER STOCKMAN!

Now there's a twist.
Baxter Stockman dont have any kids. He is just a mad scientist working for me. But after so many failures iam considering to replace him with another mad scientist.

[Chabrendeki]

I'm up for TMNT: Degrassi, this is 2018 , stop living in the past these things happen and kids need to know about them. Nothing wrong with pregnant single April.
Me too, only I don't see it happen.

[newfan]

It depends what the show is meant to be and the target age group, also, is April even younger this time? (referring to above)

As for romance, sure the turtles can have crushes, they think and feel like humans, just as others have pointed out, if it is going to be there it doesn't need to take too much focus. They may not go there with this show.

[AlZarkovski]

The author of the picture said that this is just a sketch, but my source (sorry, I can not reveal it) claims that the final design is very similar.

Original post:

[Ninjinister]

Beautiful, that's precisely what I wanted. There's nothing there saying that's April but at least we have confirmation on who the artist is, and she is a character designer on the show.

(Side note how the hell have I been in the game this long and everybody else got "secret sources" but me?)

[Papenbrook]

The author of the picture said that this is just a sketch, but my source (sorry, I can not reveal it) claims that the final design is very similar.

Original post:

Thanks for the verification.

And now, ...

Where as to me, romance is just another kind of relationship, and I don't believe interesting characters can exist without some kind of relationship.

Love, and being loved, is part of the human experience.


The teen years are the time where a human body is prepared for procreation. So it’s natural the Turtles would be attracted to human woman or just humans in general.

If there were female mutants available then the idea of the Turtles being with a human girl would not be as much of an issue. But if humans were completely off the table...


So?
They are human-like Mutant Turtles, with feelings and desires like a humans. Just because they are not (entirely) humans, doesn't mean that they can not have romantic desires. In fact, it would have been very bizarre if they did not.

The amatonormativity has befallen on all of you.

Yes, the turtles mainly rely on human attributes to show their familiarity with the audience. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that they must act as humanly possible, or stereotypically human. They are mutant ninja turtles, after all.

Not everyone (or in this case, every mutant) has a desire for romantic relationships.

Whose to say that they must show romantic desires? Why can't they be uninterested, indifferent, or even repulsed by human romance (or any type of romance really)? Why must they display a yearning for romantic affection?

There is nothing wrong with the turtles not expressing all human desires or romance/crushes. There is also nothing stating that the turtles must get together with someone else. Therefore, there is nothing wrong with the turtles staying single.

You are weird, you know?

Also, romances allow to dive deeper into characters and show them from different sides.

Why can't they do that with platonic/familial relationships though? Why must romance/ romantic relationships exist within every single show? Why can't characters remain single throughout the entire show?

[Spike Spiegel]

I'm getting flashbacks to Max Gibson from Batman Beyond.

It's nice to see a 2D cartoon where the figures have a fluctuating line weight and humanoid features instead of the flat, noodle-like Scott Pilgrim/Adventure Time style look we've gotten for the last several years.

[Sumac]

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It almost sounds like Turtles having any romantic desires is almost offensive to you.

Not really sure why, considering that they are living beings, they are teenagers - and having romantic and sexual desires is completely normal to anyone, especially in the young age.

Not to mention, as I said before, romance can enrich story by showing characters from the new angles.

Or is some weird attempt to promote asexuality, because, "muh representation"?

[newfan]

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Why can't they do that with platonic/familial relationships though? Why must romance/ romantic relationships exist within every single show? Why can't characters remain single throughout the entire show?[/FONT][/Indent]


I don't think people are saying it absolutely must happen in all versions of the turtles, just why can't it sometimes? ... and to be fair, I don't think there has been a great degree of it in TMNT over all, sure Nick did have a lot of crushes but only Raph had a relationship.

Edit: Going back onto topic, agreed on the style of 2D, I feel better about the show for seeing this image also.

[Coola Yagami]

Depending on the version, the Turtles were raised to be ninjas and have all sorts of adventures ranging from fighting ninjas clans to alien dinosaurs in outer space. They are very far removed from any human teenager. They don't go to school. They're not on social media 24/7. They're not going to parties, or worry about prom, have no allowance, or need for an actual job at Burger King or whatever. They might be teenagers in a sense but they are far removed from any sort of actual teenage life. Theirs is a life that often has no room or no need for romance.

[plastroncafe]

[FONT="Serif"]The amatonormativity has befallen on all of you.

I know you're being glib here, or at least I hope you are because the alternative is your assumption that romantic love is a choice, and being anti-romantic love is the default setting.

It may be A default setting for some, sure. But that's not an absolute.

I have no problems exploring that difference. Especially given that there are a lot of people who never develop romantic attachments, and even some for whom such at attachments only begin to form far later in life than adolescence.

[newfan]

Depending on the version, the Turtles were raised to be ninjas and have all sorts of adventures ranging from fighting ninjas clans to alien dinosaurs in outer space. They are very far removed from any human teenager. They don't go to school. They're not on social media 24/7. They're not going to parties, or worry about prom, have no allowance, or need for an actual job at Burger King or whatever. They might be teenagers in a sense but they are far removed from any sort of actual teenage life. Theirs is a life that often has no room or no need for romance.

and that is likely why there has been little of it, their lifestyle isn't a normal one.
My view with them sometimes having a crush is just that when they do meet someone (be it human or otherwise) chemistry can awaken.
There is a divide on opinion here though, some don't like it, some do, some don't care.

[plastroncafe]

Depending on the version, the Turtles were raised to be ninjas and have all sorts of adventures ranging from fighting ninjas clans to alien dinosaurs in outer space. They are very far removed from any human teenager. They don't go to school. They're not on social media 24/7. They're not going to parties, or worry about prom, have no allowance, or need for an actual job at Burger King or whatever. They might be teenagers in a sense but they are far removed from any sort of actual teenage life. Theirs is a life that often has no room or no need for romance.

But they're still American teenagers who despite their removal from topside life are steeped in those sorts of things by pop culture.

And besides, there are people all over the world who don't do a good number of the things on that list and yet still find time for romantic love in one sense or another.

After all, what are they fighting for if not love in some form?
It's not like they have to fight for survival, when they in almost every Incarnation have specifically gone out in search of a fight.

They could just stay home and not fight at all, but where's the fun in that?

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

This is going to be a disaster. They're taking far too many liberties and deviating too far from the source material. It took six years, but what people feared from the beginning is finally happening.

[Papenbrook]

I know you're being glib here, or at least I hope you are because the alternative is your assumption that romantic love is a choice, and being anti-romantic love is the default setting.

Um ... no.

When it comes to human experiences, being romantic or aromantic isn't a choice. However, society's culture and environment tend to influence what is and isn't an acceptable set of (a)romantic expressions.

In modern society, most people usually assume that you must be in a romantic relationship with someone, or at least have a crush on someone. They also tend to think that you must seek out desires of romantic/sexual pleasures. If you have never experienced any of those things, then society thinks that you're an anomaly.

It's been really frustrating for me.

It may be A default setting for some, sure. But that's not an absolute.

And vise versa.

I have no problems exploring that difference. Especially given that there are a lot of people who never develop romantic attachments, and even some for whom such at attachments only begin to form far later in life than adolescence.

Then we came to a similar conclusion?

[plastroncafe]

Sure let's go with that.

[Sumac]

Depending on the version, the Turtles were raised to be ninjas and have all sorts of adventures ranging from fighting ninjas clans to alien dinosaurs in outer space. They are very far removed from any human teenager. They don't go to school. They're not on social media 24/7. They're not going to parties, or worry about prom, have no allowance, or need for an actual job at Burger King or whatever. They might be teenagers in a sense but they are far removed from any sort of actual teenage life. Theirs is a life that often has no room or no need for romance.
But they still have sexual desires (unless it's confirmed that they are not) and, even, if they life style is not "normal", they pick up parts of the pop-culture here and there. Pretty much all versions of Turtles were watching TV, for example.

In modern society, most people usually assume that you must be in a romantic relationship with someone, or at least have a crush on someone. They also tend to think that you must seek out desires of romantic/sexual pleasures. If you have never experienced any of those things, then society thinks that you're an anomaly.

It's been really frustrating for me.
Because, it's normal to humans?
It's might irritate you (and me to certain extent), but our personal shortcomings are not an indication for the whole humanity.

Some might not seek romantic / sexual experience, but this number is low, most people prefer to have romantic or sexual partners, because that's in human nature. We are social animals afterall.

And we are talking about TMNT, who are teenagers.

[Chabrendeki]

This is going to be a disaster. They're taking far too many liberties and deviating too far from the source material. It took six years, but what people feared from the beginning is finally happening.
How do you know that? Nobody has seen anything of the show yet.

[Papenbrook]

But they still have sexual desires (unless it's confirmed that they are not) and, even, if they life style is not "normal", they pick up parts of the pop-culture here and there. Pretty much all versions of Turtles were watching TV, for example.

That's right. The turtles (at least their modern incarnations) have primarily learned from and adopted human-like attributes through their exposure of/to pop culture.

However, how modern media (pop culture) chooses to depict romantic desires doesn't actually mean that they have those romantic desires to convey their humanity. They can just naturally be indifferent to/ unconcerned with romance.

On that note, neither you and I, or anyone else for that matter, know if the 2k18 version of the TMNT have any sexual/romantic desires or not.

Therefore, you shouldn't assume that they do.

Because, it's normal to humans?
It's might irritate you (and me to certain extent), but our personal shortcomings are not an indication for the whole humanity.

Some might not seek romantic / sexual experience, but this number is low, most people prefer to have romantic or sexual partners, because that's in human nature. We are social animals afterall.

And we are talking about TMNT, who are teenagers.

They are also mutant turtles. They're not real, Sumac.

However, even if they were human teenagers, that doesn't necessarily mean that they have to display any romantic/sexual desires, let alone be in romantic relationships.

[Coola Yagami]

That's right. The turtles (at least their modern incarnations) have primarily learned from and adopted human-like attributes through their exposure of/to pop culture.

However, how modern media (pop culture) chooses to depict romantic desires doesn't actually mean that they have those romantic desires to convey their humanity. They can just naturally be indifferent to/ unconcerned with romance.

On that note, neither you and I, or anyone else for that matter, know if the 2k18 version of the TMNT have any sexual/romantic desires or not.

Therefore, you shouldn't assume that they do.



They are also mutant turtles. They're not real, Sumac.

However, even if they were human teenagers, that doesn't necessarily mean that they have to display any romantic/sexual desires, let alone be in romantic relationships.

Again, too busy training and kicking ass to care about love or sex. It is a cartoon after all.

Forced romance between people that just met ruins a lot of action movies. I lsugh at the ones where the people on the run from just about anyone somehow find time to stop and screw. But that's a topic for another thread.

[Vegita-San]

romance episodes are USUALLY the worst of any series. 95% of the time I skip over them.

[newhire13]

Thanks for the verification.

And now, ...









The amatonormativity has befallen on all of you.

Yes, the turtles mainly rely on human attributes to show their familiarity with the audience. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that they must act as humanly possible, or stereotypically human. They are mutant ninja turtles, after all.

Not everyone (or in this case, every mutant) has a desire for romantic relationships.

Whose to say that they must show romantic desires? Why can't they be uninterested, indifferent, or even repulsed by human romance (or any type of romance really)? Why must they display a yearning for romantic affection?

There is nothing wrong with the turtles not expressing all human desires or romance/crushes. There is also nothing stating that the turtles must get together with someone else. Therefore, there is nothing wrong with the turtles staying single.



Why can't they do that with platonic/familial relationships though? Why must romance/ romantic relationships exist within every single show? Why can't characters remain single throughout the entire show?

The minds behind the show made it pretty clear from the beginning that they wanted to explore the teenage aspects of the characters, from their strengths to their flaws to how they relate to others. Sucks you didn’t like that and I get that you prefer a certain version but idk, that’s kind of a you problem lol.

[plastroncafe]

romance episodes are USUALLY the worst of any series. 95% of the time I skip over them.

I think this is more of an indictment on television writers, then it is on the concept of romance.

Someone who is good at their job can make just about any plot be fantastic.

[CyberCubed]

This is going to be a disaster. They're taking far too many liberties and deviating too far from the source material. It took six years, but what people feared from the beginning is finally happening.

I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not, but a black April is hardly anything to think the show is going to be a, "disaster."

I'm more worried about the shows description about the Turtles having powers...but I guess we'll wait and see what they mean by that.

[Andrew NDB]

Are the Turtles just basically normal human teenagers and should they be gauged as such?

Of course not, that's dumb. That's always been dumb. Every time I hear that (whether it's from creators or fans), this expectation of "I really want the Turtles to act like teenagers," it's just ill-thought out and dumb, dumb, dumb.

Did the Turtles spend their adolescence lusting after a bunch of human ladies?

No, not really. They were probably too busy training day in, day out to one day kill Oroku Saki. Again, these aren't normal human teenagers going to high school and taking Suzie to the prom or playing after school sports... that's a dumb expectation. None of the formative things growing up that happen to normal human teenagers would have ever happened to the TMNT. The closest example would be... I dunno, find like some monastic brothers who were home-schooled all of their adolescence and teenager years and not allowed to ever leave the house.

Would the Turtles ever be attracted to females?

Sure. There's plenty of examples of that.

But surely they'd be attracted to human females?

Not really. And despite the "Leonardo gets with Radical in the future" thing that slipped through the cracks when Laird was not at the helm and temporarily not doing approvals, there was always a very hard line from the TMNT creators about "The TMNT do NOT bang or lust after humans." Mikey saying, "Whatta babe!" to someone he sees on the TV is one thing, actively going after and pursuing romantic and/or sexual relationships with them is quite another.

[plastroncafe]

That's some nice fanon you've got there.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm with Plastron on this.

Relationships are a normal, typical part of growing up and the human experience. Most versions of TMNT demonstrate the Turtles wishing they could have a more normal, human experience. It's also quite relatable.

Just because most of the examples in TMNT are abysmal or lazy writing tropes (Irma + love potion, Donnie + April, et al) doesn't mean that real serious stories couldn't explore the concept very well.

I just don't expect it to ever happen in a way that won't irritate me.

[Metalwolf]

Usually, too many shows rely on romance for plot points/arcs, and usually, they tend to fail spectacularly, either through unfortunate circumstances/implications and/or using too much time/episodes that could be focused on developing characters, world-building, story-lines, etc.
........
Just view the Apriltello/Capril love triangle plot-line (2k12 TMNT) as an example. It was riddled with unpleasant messages/implications (Girls are prizes that should be oogled/ fought over. Just keep pressuring them until they say yes.) Not to mention, it had the unintended of taking up to much time that could've been focused on more important aspects of the show.
........
Romantic plot-lines can also raise the issue of character derailment, either through out-of-character moments and/or regressing character development. For Leonardo, his ship tease with Karai made it feel like his character had regressed (in my opinion). He would act really arrogant around her. It always seemed to bother me.

........
It never seems that female characters can/could develop separately from the male characters, let alone stay single. It always seems that they have to revolve around said male characters, by being the target of their affections or even dating them. Not only does it negatively affect female characters, but it would also basically ruin the male characters as well.


Well, I have had this stuff turn the last season of one of my other favorite shows to complete ass (Samurai Jack) so I can totally understand. Especially when it's the creator (at a much, much later stage -think years) warps the older established characters' personalities to fit it in, and breaks known universe laws of the show to fit it in. If the forced romance and women as objects pisses you off, one thing they did in this last season of this show was have an infectious substance (Aku's essence) react differently to men then it does women, without any good in-show explanation of why.
It infected Jack once and almost turned him into an Aku demon, it was used by Aku to turn some of Jack's male allies into more little Aku demons during on of the very last fights, but a crazy woman voluntarily drinks a whole friggen bowl of the stuff... and all it does is make her pregnant. No 'equal' horrific demonic transformation like the men get, no siree, you'll just be a brood sow to get pregnant instead and pop out a bunch of babies, because that's what women 'are' and who wants to 'ruin' what might have been a hot screwable woman by making her into an ugly demoness? As such, it's always for a woman a preservation of her sexiness, because who wants to see an Aku demon with breasts? Naturally this double standard is defended by the hardcore shippers, because it resulted in the production of the love interest Jack falls in love with, no matter that she herself is also reduced to an object, Jack 'deserves' her because it makes him happy.

As you can tell, I'm still royally steamed by it. Your description of the romance thing is very similar to what I've seen on this other show, because it tends to not only radiate out from romance, but how some writers (and creators) tend to think of women as. Basically slaves to romance, and then later a mere vessel for pregnancy.

I alo had to mention that women characters aren't just forced into male-female relationships, they will force them into lesbian relationships too if they are feeling 'progressive.' It's as if a single female is creative Kryptonite, and the writers will rush to pair her off with anyone (or anything!) before she sucks all of the creative life out of the room, because God forbid she has anything major in her life or other interests that don't involve relationships or romance. I don't mind romance in some cases, but 80% of the other times it's just blatant fan service or a ratings grab if the show looks to be dying.




But surely they'd be attracted to human females?

But don't you know Andy, that would sink a thousand fan ships if they were not? Ever notice the collective hissing and mental gymnastics whenever anyone mentions the word 'bestiality?' ;)

Now notice people will give them almost all of the other features of turtles, but yet their *ahem* reproductive organs are somehow almost always exempt. It's also automatically assumed that they will like human females, but yet nothing is ever considered that they could sigh longingly at anthropomorphized female turtle drawings someone might make, or what they might find 'sexy' is stuff you would not normally see on a human woman (but would find on a female turtle.) No it's always has to be human women for some reason, despite female turtles being the more logical choice, and the only ones that could safely withstand their 'amorous affections.'

[Spike Spiegel]

Now notice people will give them almost all of the other features of turtles, but yet their *ahem* reproductive organs are somehow almost always exempt. It's also automatically assumed that they will like human females, but yet nothing is ever considered that they could sigh longingly at anthropomorphized female turtle drawings someone might make, or what they might find 'sexy' is stuff you would not normally see on a human woman (but would find on a female turtle.) No it's always has to be human women for some reason, despite female turtles being the more logical choice, and the only ones that could safely withstand their 'amorous affections.'

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[IndigoErth]

Love this community... I mean, how it can go from "Look, a sketch of the next April!" to once again discussing the TMNT's potential private lives (and parts) is just... :tlol:

Not that I don't find this discussion amusing every time.

[Andrew NDB]

But don't you know Andy, that would sink a thousand fan ships if they were not? Ever notice the collective hissing and mental gymnastics whenever anyone mentions the word 'bestiality?' ;)

Now notice people will give them almost all of the other features of turtles, but yet their *ahem* reproductive organs are somehow almost always exempt. It's also automatically assumed that they will like human females, but yet nothing is ever considered that they could sigh longingly at anthropomorphized female turtle drawings someone might make, or what they might find 'sexy' is stuff you would not normally see on a human woman (but would find on a female turtle.) No it's always has to be human women for some reason, despite female turtles being the more logical choice, and the only ones that could safely withstand their 'amorous affections.'

I think you hit the nail right smack on the head.

[newfan]

I don't want to encourage a trip to the disintegration unit for this thread so I'll just lightly point out that they are not regular turtles so far as what they are attracted to goes and from the kids show point some other things aren't going to be confirmed, nor will relationships go past a kiss at the very most.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It is inevitable that this thread be disintegrated.

I wonder when the first look at any other characters will happen...

[IndigoErth]

Mhmm... All a matter of preference and perspective on the TMNT, and I'm sure for any argument most could try to find reasons to "prove" why they're the one who is right. Be it cannon, speculation that might make sense, comparatives with regular turtles in nature (or why the TMNT might drastically differ)...



But anyway... How 'bout that April?

I kinda hope she's got at least one parent, maybe a mom, that we see now and then.

[plastroncafe]

Now notice people will give them almost all of the other features of turtles, but yet their *ahem* reproductive organs are somehow almost always exempt.

Is now a bad time to point out duck anatomy and the fact that Disney has been drawing cartoon versions sans pants for decades?
(duck sexuality is...something.)

:D?

I can find that case study of the female chimpanzee raised as a human child and as a result only found human males attractive, if ya'll really want me to.

I'm not a No Romo person, but I will say that I'll take the No Romo side of things if presented with creators incapable of writing female characters as anything BUT a love interest.
Because that sort of thing is only really indicative of illustrating just how bad a writer is at their job.

In conclusion:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSptpSXXkAAcum5.jpg
Blurry image taken from Mirage, Vol 1, Issue 44.

[CyberCubed]

Interesting that Raph is eating pizza in that Mirage issue, they eat pizza in Mirage more often than people remember. :lol:

[Utrommaniac]

Oh sweet baby Jiminy Cricket, where can I get a pizza that has steam coming off it like that :o . That looks magnificent.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Is now a bad time to point out duck anatomy and the fact that Disney has been drawing cartoon versions sans pants for decades?
(duck sexuality is...something.)

:D?

I can find that case study of the female chimpanzee raised as a human child and as a result only found human males attractive, if ya'll really want me to.

I'm not a No Romo person, but I will say that I'll take the No Romo side of things if presented with creators incapable of writing female characters as anything BUT a love interest.
Because that sort of thing is only really indicative of illustrating just how bad a writer is at their job.

In conclusion:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSptpSXXkAAcum5.jpg
Blurry image taken from Mirage, Vol 1, Issue 44.

Was she anything like Oliver? There was an interesting case of a chimp with amorous interest in humans if ever there was one. He was even billed for a long time as a living "missing link" of sorts.

As for ducks, that particular anatomic detail has always been a bit disturbing to me. Especially in terms of Disney (or Loony Toons) characters....

And I have been around Deviant Art and the fan-fic community long enough to know that MANY fans who "ship" the TMNT with humans often do so while fully acknowledging their physical differences. And are often pretty descriptive of them too. Sometimes said differences are a major plot-point or obstacle to the relationship. Those who dismiss such romantic relationships are almost always thinking very narrowly regarding the definition of romantic love, or how it is expressed or experienced. TMNT would no doubt define it very differently than the typical human would, simply due to their unique circumstances. In other words, they would find ways to adapt and make it work. If Raph can have a long term relationship with Ninjara in Archie, why not with a human too? Leo and Radical seemed to work out ok, if that issue is to be believed.

[Spike Spiegel]

As for ducks, that particular anatomic detail has always been a bit disturbing to me. Especially in terms of Disney (or Loony Toons) characters....



It's downright...screwy, if you ask me.

[Papenbrook]

So, ... I wonder if Casey will be in his senior years.

That would be a nice change.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

So, ... I wonder if Casey will be in his senior years.

That would be a nice change.

I don't think thats its likely for this series but I would be welcoming of the change.

[Chabrendeki]

So, ... I wonder if Casey will be in his senior years.

That would be a nice change.
Yeah. Homless pregnant teenager April and in relationship with ex-hokeyplayer vigilante 40ies Casey... on Nickelodeon in a comedic kid's show! ;) :D

[Redeemer]

Well back on topic.....

From Nick Designer's Twitter. My source confirms that this is almost the final version.

https://pp.userapi.com/c830708/v830708700/29dc0/NOOmkFfEIkw.jpg

Its a little preemptive to judge a design a character from a single design sketch.

I am not to fond of the idea of "Black-Washing" / Changing a characters ethnicity. Like they did with Baxter in the 87' series. Or what they tried to do with the Platinum Dunes series with shredder.

If I didn't know this was a April design I would think it was a design for Angel....

I really don't have high expectations for this April or this show. I didn't Like April from the previous serious that much and was drastically different from any previous incarnation. At this point I think they should create a new character to fit what they are going for.

[Chabrendeki]

Now my 50 cents to the whole romance-debate. I don't think that any love-relationship would happen in the new show, but yes crushes will definitely happen.
It's not because the turtles are teenagers. It's because the AUDIENCE is.
It will be a kid's show so there will be no real relationship. Why? Because sexuality is taboo in a kid's show.
But to have crushes is a very important theme in the life of every kid, and a kid's show that is depicting interactions between characters can't do not to react on that in a way.
That's it.

[Sumac]

However, how modern media (pop culture) chooses to depict romantic desires doesn't actually mean that they have those romantic desires to convey their humanity. They can just naturally be indifferent to/ unconcerned with romance.

They are also mutant turtles. They're not real, Sumac.

However, even if they were human teenagers, that doesn't necessarily mean that they have to display any romantic/sexual desires, let alone be in romantic relationships.
OK, you have a bias against romantic relationships for some reason. Sorry you are in minority.
Also, TMNT indeed are not real, so your claims are equally invalid.

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Wow, that is some really deep...end. :roll:
Also, whether you like it or not Turtles are indeed normal teenagers + ninjas.
On which side they fall on - depends mostly on the series.
In the old cartoon and Nick (from what I had watched) they are closer to regular teenagers. In 2k3 - to professional ninjas. Neither actually stopped them from being attracted to women.

[Xav]

I hope they keep Casey Jones white, you rarely see shows featuring characters in interracial relationships.Um what? If seems like you can't turn on TV nowadays without seeing a interracial relationship.

[CyberCubed]

Interracial relationships are the new norm. Didn't you people watch Spiderman: Homecoming? Peter Parker dated a black girl (although Michael Keaton was the father since he was Vulture in the movie), and the new MJ (Michelle) is black in the movie as well if she becomes Peter's love interest in the sequel.

In cartoons we had John Stewart and Hawkgirl during Justice League Unlimited. Young Justice also had Superboy and Miss Martian, if that counts.

I'm sure Casey and April will be a romantic item in this series like always, it doesn't matter if April is black now assuming Casey Jones is still white and they don't change him.

[Chabrendeki]

Black or not is not a problem for me. The only important thing for me is her weight in the series.
She shouldn't be only a damsel in distress but she shouldn't be stronger in a combat like the turtels either. In the 2k12 series in season 4 were a lot of fight scenes when the turtles seemed defeated but April saved the day with her telekinetic powers.
That was a little too much.
For once it could go, but it happened too often.
The turtles seemed so not so effective in fight.

[Ninjinister]

Didn't you people watch Spiderman: Homecoming? Peter Parker dated a black girl (although Michael Keaton was the father since he was Vulture in the movie), and the new MJ (Michelle) is black in the movie as well if she becomes Peter's love interest in the sequel.

No, I didn't. Thanks for spoiling it, dickass.

[Andrew NDB]

No, I didn't. Thanks for spoiling it, dickass.

He's not spoiling anything. It's not MJ. Or at least, they didn't commit to it being MJ. And she's probably not.

[Chabrendeki]

That movie is already six month old... what "spoiling"?
Darth Vader is Luke Skywalkers father did you know that?
And: "Rosebud" is the sledge.

[neatoman]

He's not spoiling anything. It's not MJ. Or at least, they didn't commit to it being MJ. And she's probably not.

But the other girl is indeed Liz Allan... Or technically a mash-up of Liz and the Vulture's barely mentioned daughter, but you get the point.

[Papenbrook]

I'm sure Casey and April will be a romantic item in this series like always, it doesn't matter if April is black now assuming Casey Jones is still white and they don't change him.

And if they do ... ?

[newfan]

So, we see a drawing that is likely April and following on from that we get, she's homeless, pregnant, going to be with Casey even though we don't know he's in the show, arguing over turtle romance, turtle body parts assumptions and Spiderman's new girlfriend.
Well one topic does easily lead to another :lol: Not been boring anyway.

[Papenbrook]

If Casey does happen to be in the show, will he be of old age?

[Chabrendeki]

So, we see a drawing that is likely April and following on from that we get, she's homeless, pregnant, going to be with Casey even though we don't know he's in the show, arguing over turtle romance, turtle body parts assumptions and Spiderman's new girlfriend.
Well one topic does easily lead to another :lol: Not been boring anyway.
I don't dare to imagine what will happen, when the first turtle design will be leaked... :D

[newfan]

I don't dare to imagine what will happen, when the first turtle design will be leaked... :D

:lol: I know right. ... but it's fun to speculate.

Papenbrook, do you mean older as in 20's or do we think they'll go got an 'old man Jones'? Little rough around the edges type thing.

[Papenbrook]

:lol: I know right. ... but it's fun to speculate.

Papenbrook, do you mean older as in 20's or do we think they'll go got an 'old man Jones'? Little rough around the edges type thing.

The latter.

It would be a nice change.

[Chabrendeki]

Combined with the homeless pregnant child April, would be a hell of a show!

[Utrommaniac]

By all means, I can see the turtles having an alternate father figure since Splinter by all means is a little nuts, but I know about it being Casey. At least someone with enough sense to call Splinter out on his sh!t with the whole "train four young boys for murder and nothing else" thing

[Chabrendeki]

Combined with the homeless pregnant child April, would be a hell of a show!
Splinter should be in a rollchair and let's give each turtle a mental disorder they have to fight with. Autistic Don (still technical genius), anger issue Raph, Napoleon-syndrome Leo, hyperactive Mike...

[Ninjinister]

That movie is already six month old... what "spoiling"?
Darth Vader is Luke Skywalkers father did you know that?
And: "Rosebud" is the sledge.

Do you really think decades old movies in which everybody knows the basic plot of at least, equate to something very much more recent? Most people I believe put statute of limitation on spoilers at a year.

I was also being half-facetious to mock Cubed's pretentiousness. The fact that he was (partially?) wrong just makes it funnier.

[newfan]

By all means, I can see the turtles having an alternate father figure since Splinter by all means is a little nuts, but I know about it being Casey. At least someone with enough sense to call Splinter out on his sh!t with the whole "train four young boys for murder and nothing else" thing

I didn't see 2012's Splinter like that, I mean yeah sure they are trained ninja's but I saw it more for their own defence and protection given what they are, don't know about every version though.

[Chabrendeki]

Do you really think decades old movies in which everybody knows the basic plot of at least, equate to something very much more recent? Most people I believe put statute of limitation on spoilers at a year.

I was also being half-facetious to mock Cubed's pretentiousness. The fact that he was (partially?) wrong just makes it funnier.

I was not that serious either. Really one year? That's a lot. But okay, I get that.
I'm not really spoiler-sensitive. The impact of a film or book shouldn't depend on secrets but on how it is told.

[neatoman]

Since this is for a new show, should this thread be moved to the general section?

[newfan]

Since this is for a new show, should this thread be moved to the general section?

Well it's still Nickelodeon I suppose, though yes a different show entirely, I think people are just waiting for it to have it's own section, Plus the other 2018 threads are here also.

[IndigoErth]

Go home, tread, you're drunk.


Or have cabin fever because it's January and going insane. One or the other.

[Electric]

Everyone here just seems to believe they are the most enlightened and that their opinions are the correct ones.

[shredder orokusaki]

I don't dare to imagine what will happen, when the first turtle design will be leaked... :D
Or what will happen when you see my design leaked. You saw how ugly and scary i was in the 2012 series with half of my face burned! Now i will be even more scary.

[Leonardo2003]

Or what will happen when you see my design leaked. You saw how ugly and scary i was in the 2012 series with half of my face burned! Now i will be even more scary.

You were much scarier as an Utrom.

[victory_angel]

There is a version of the meet the cast video that has an image of the Turtles and the April. I don’t believe the Turtle images will be the final product, they are more 2d versions of the 2012 show so people can match the voice with the Turtle they are playing right now.

But the image of April looks more final product. She has frizzy dark hair, wearing a yellow top, she has Leo’s mask tied in her hair like a head band, Raph’s Mask around her neck like a scarf, and Donnie’s mask around her waist like a belt.

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[IndigoErth]

It would be a start in the right direction if they did look like that, but agree with you. The all over art style isn't the same as April. Definitely a 2012 comic art style; book art if I were to take a guess.

[oldmanwinters]

There is a version of the meet the cast video that has an image of the Turtles and the April. I don’t believe the Turtle images will be the final product, they are more 2d versions of the 2012 show so people can match the voice with the Turtle they are playing right now.

But the image of April looks more final product. She has frizzy dark hair, wearing a yellow top, she has Leo’s mask tied in her hair like a head band, Raph’s Mask around her neck like a scarf, and Donnie’s mask around her waist like a belt.


Nah, that April is just fan art. The artist (one of our Dromers) has had a couple of designs up for years:
https://www.deviantart.com/art/Black-April-O-Neil-476841272
https://www.deviantart.com/art/Black-April-version-2-619784367
I'd actually prefer either one of those designs for this version of April to the one in the leak.

[Utrommaniac]

So...did they have permission to even use that fanart???

[IndigoErth]

Ohhhhh... Well that's curious.

[CyberCubed]

That's not an official video, someone took the official preview video Nick uploaded and then added the fanart to it themselves. The original video doesn't have those fanart images.

[BabyTurtles]

So...did they have permission to even use that fanart???

.....no...they didn't.......I'm kinda shocked to see my art actually up there....

but I guess it's not officially Nick anyway so I'm not too mad ^_^...(still gonna give them a little chat though)

[neatoman]

.....no...they didn't.......I'm kinda shocked to see my art actually up there....

but I guess it's not officially Nick anyway so I'm not too mad ^_^...(still gonna give them a little chat though)

You made that? Mind requests?

[CyberCubed]

Interesting enough April being a teen again is already showing some influences from the Nick cartoon are crossing over. I wonder how much else they'll use. Again I expect the Turtles to have unique designs. I wonder if Splinter will be taller than the Turtles again or shorter like usual.

As for villains they now have a vast selection of villains to use. They can use all the classic TMNT villains as usual, the 4kids villains, the new Nick created villains, in addition to the new villains/mutants we'll get. If Tiger Claw shows up in this show I wonder who will voice him since his VA does Splinter now, it'd be funny if he reprised his role.

[Chabrendeki]

Interesting enough April being a teen again is already showing some influences from the Nick cartoon are crossing over. I wonder how much else they'll use. Again I expect the Turtles to have unique designs. I wonder if Splinter will be taller than the Turtles again or shorter like usual.

When I try to figure it out from a producers perspective, the decision that April is a teenager is obvious: she's a friend-character, so she should be the same age as the target audience.
The same logic by the height of Splinter. He is a father-like character, to communicate this on a visual level it's a logical choice to show him taller.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

When I try to figure it out from a producers perspective, the decision that April is a teenager is obvious: she's a friend-character, so she should be the same age as the target audience.
The same logic by the height of Splinter. He is a father-like character, to communicate this on a visual level it's a logical choice to show him taller.

I'm pretty sure it's a Nickelodeon problem.

[Shellington]

She looks okay. Obviously will need to see the final design though.

[AlZarkovski]

Art-designer denied the information. :cry:

https://pp.userapi.com/c841134/v841134717/583a7/gydSmsC6GWk.jpg

[newfan]

:lol: how many pages of thread, 9? I did wonder if something like that may happen. Hopefully people will like the real one as much. Least the type of animation seems confirmed.

[oldmanwinters]

Art-designer denied the information. :cry:

https://pp.userapi.com/c841134/v841134717/583a7/gydSmsC6GWk.jpg

Hey, this is one instance of "fake news" I'm happy to hear! I look forward to a better official design!

[plastroncafe]

:lol: how many pages of thread, 9? I did wonder if something like that may happen. Hopefully people will like the real one as much. Least the type of animation seems confirmed.

This is what I'm the most excited about.
Really dug that linework.

[CyberCubed]

Even if this design is just a random background character, at least it confirms the art style for the show is very similar.

[IndigoErth]

Well in that case, turn that kid in to Angel. :twink:

:lol: how many pages of thread, 9?
Granted a huge amount of it was about Turtle romance instead. lol

[CyberCubed]

Anyone getting "Spectacular Spiderman" vibes from the art style?

[slashpieturtlemix]

I actually lol'ed when I read this thread. All that drama for it to be denied :tlol::tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

The RotTMNT cartoon creators lurking about are probably getting a kick out of this thread.

[Vegita-San]

but, i thought no one official bothered with message boards anymore? :)






on the whole, i will say at least we got a confirmed look at what the style of the new show might be like. and i'm happy it's at least less stylized than i feared it would be.

[Utrommaniac]

On the one hand, it is giving us a feel for what the style will be like, and gives me hope that it will probably avoid a Teen Titans Go vibe

[CyberCubed]

but, i thought no one official bothered with message boards anymore? :).

Someone asked them on social media. Most people don't even know the technodrome forums exist. This place is a relic from 1999.

[dawwe]

I guess we will see the designs soon enough, though I'm more interested in seeing the turtles.

[IndigoErth]

The RotTMNT cartoon creators lurking about are probably getting a kick out of this thread.
It had crossed my mind. lol Esp as it veered wildly off course.



Though in that case, if she's not April...
No really, it's adorable, turn her into Angel. :trazz: :D

[Papenbrook]

I'm saddened that it's a fake concept of April.

But I suppose that's the way it goes.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I'm saddened that it's a fake concept of April.

But I suppose that's the way it goes.

April is still gonna be black if thats of any comfort to you.

[Papenbrook]

April is still gonna be black if thats of any comfort to you.

❤ Oh, I am glad that April will remain black. ❤

[CyberCubed]

I still say her design might be similar to Kat Graham. Depending on how soon she was cast, they might have modeled her character design after her.

[Coola Yagami]

Hmm after seeing her lines on a Facebook segment, seems she's gonna bring all the black attitude into the character. Can we have a non stereotype black April, or is it time to just give up and just admit most all black people like that.

[Vegita-San]

links? sigh...

[Vicky82]

links? sigh...

It's on the last post of New Show thread

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=57475&page=111

Or here's the link

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd5Rz2Yn4Kx/?taken-by=tmnt

Facebook and Instagram have the same video.

[victory_angel]

Hmm after seeing her lines on a Facebook segment, seems she's gonna bring all the black attitude into the character. Can we have a non stereotype black April, or is it time to just give up and just admit most all black people like that.

So we are having a sassy April who has a bit of spunk to her personality. I’ve known a number of girls like that while a number of them were African American, I’ve also known Caucasian, Latina, Philopeana, and one Japanese Woman who were like that . So I wouldn’t call it stereotypical, I would say it gives her character and shows she is ready to scrap anyone who dares to hurt her friends or destroy her city.

[CyberCubed]

Hmm after seeing her lines on a Facebook segment, seems she's gonna bring all the black attitude into the character. Can we have a non stereotype black April, or is it time to just give up and just admit most all black people like that.

It's less of a stereotype when the actress herself is black. She ain't got no thang.

[Coola Yagami]

It's less of a stereotype when the actress herself is black. She ain't got no thang.

No, she's basically stereotyping herself. For every person that screams prejudice or racism for making black characters talk that way in fiction, there's seems to be more and more people that really do talk that way.

I think it's time we stop calling it a stereotype and call it fact. I've personally have never met anyone black that doesn't talk that way. Even the most professional and educated sounding people I have met, still talk that way when they're off the clock and just hanging with friends. In fact, can it really be called ghetto speak when people that don't live in ghettos talk like that?

[PApagreg]

As a black person, steoreotypes like these don't really offend me(in fact one of my favorite characters in Total Drama Island was Leshawna) but the lines we got from April really annoy the crap out of me. April in this is almost as bad as the black chick from Freddy vs Jason.

[sdp]

I don't mind this high energy April at all. Design will likely be fine as well. Kat is cute. Annoyed at the race swap.

[TigerClaw]

I wonder how April will be portrayed in this version, you think they will make her a feisty and more competent character in this one, Nick April during the middle of the season started getting Ninja lessons, and developing telekinetic powers, she always helps the Turtles on a number of situations.

So I'm curious what direction they will take this version of April, will she be more hands on in this one?

[CyberCubed]

As a black person, steoreotypes like these don't really offend me(in fact one of my favorite characters in Total Drama Island was Leshawna) but the lines we got from April really annoy the crap out of me. April in this is almost as bad as the black chick from Freddy vs Jason.

What specific lines did you not like as a black person?

[PApagreg]

What specific lines did you not like as a black person?

Mostly the voice and the inflection but when she said "Game On" I cringed a bit.

[Vicky82]

New video from Kat Graham talking about her version of April.
https://twitter.com/tmnt/status/952223809272238081

If you had looked on the previous page, you see that I already posted it.

[TigerClaw]

If you had looked on the previous page, you see that I already posted it.
Yeah I noticed, thought I post the version from twitter here since its all about April.

[Vicky82]

Yeah I noticed, thought I post the version from twitter here since its all about April.

OMG!!!!!! I did not say thread, I said previous page as in page 10, this is page 11, the video is on page 10, post number 199.

You must have noticed people here talking about it before you posted the video.

[Vegita-San]

i will say this.

when they released the 4Kids voices out of context before the show hit, I cringed 100% at everything. especially hun and baxter.

of course, after the first season hit, it soon became my favorite.

I don't see that happening here....but...always a chance i'm surprised.

had hope for the last show too, but that fell apart fast.

[TigerClaw]

OMG!!!!!! I did not say thread, I said previous page as in page 10, this is page 11, the video is on page 10, post number 199.

You must have noticed people here talking about it before you posted the video.
It happens when I see the threat with a few extra pages and never got around to see what I missed, my bad.

[Vicky82]

It happens when I see the threat with a few extra pages and never got around to see what I missed, my bad.

I always check before posting links/videos. If I do post a link/video and someone else manages to post it before me by a few secs, then I would delete my post.

[Leonardo2003]

i will say this.

when they released the 4Kids voices out of context before the show hit, I cringed 100% at everything. especially hun and baxter.

of course, after the first season hit, it soon became my favorite.

I don't see that happening here....but...always a chance i'm surprised.

had hope for the last show too, but that fell apart fast.

Is there existing footage or audio of when 4kids first announced the voice actors?

[Vegita-San]

Is there existing footage or audio of when 4kids first announced the voice actors?

it might be archived somewhere, but it was one of the last things posted on the old official ninja turtles.com website.