Creed II

[Andrew NDB]

http://www.maactioncinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/23456223_10154776190016923_2456773201887979274_o.j pg

The latest: "it is coming out in November!!! Thanksgiving!!!"

https://www.maxim.com/entertainment/creed-2-release-date-rocky-statue-2017-12

We know that Dolph Lundgren is back as Drago and from the earlier casting calls for MMA fighters, we know that Creed will be fighting his son. Stallone was supposed to direct it but it looks like he bowed out a couple of weeks ago: https://www.avclub.com/creed-2-gets-a-new-director-with-steven-caple-jr-repla-1821196141

[Coola Yagami]

Will it be the same without Stallone though?

[Andrew NDB]

Will it be the same without Stallone though?

He's still in it, presumably still as Creed's manager. He co-wrote the script, too. Obviously, we're not going to get Stallone vs. Lundgren, round 2, but I suspect there will be some kind of conflict there.

[sdp]

I don't know if I want Creed to be a series. This one I can give it a pass since it can be a revenge movie, the set up is already there. I never did watch Creed, is he his son or grandson?

[Andrew NDB]

I don't know if I want Creed to be a series. This one I can give it a pass since it can be a revenge movie, the set up is already there. I never did watch Creed, is he his son or grandson?

Illegitimate son. "Creed" retroactively made Apollo a cheater.

[CyberCubed]

I don't know if I want Creed to be a series. This one I can give it a pass since it can be a revenge movie, the set up is already there. I never did watch Creed, is he his son or grandson?

Creed was really good. I didn't expect it to be so good either but it was.

[sdp]

Illegitimate son. "Creed" retroactively made Apollo a cheater.

Wow, but still, does that mean this newbie boxer is 30 years old?

does that mean he cheated on his wife right before his match? maybe him dying was karma?
:lol:

What a way to kill daddy Creed's character but I guess it's a good movie since everyone loves it

Creed was really good. I didn't expect it to be so good either but it was.

I watched all the Rocky films (before creed) about 3 years ago and I enjoyed them but can't say I'm a huge fan, didn't think any of them were amazing but I had fun. I think this one would be similar. I just don't want to add more movies to my backlog, how much more can they do to the story even if it's a new boxer :lol:

[CyberCubed]

I just don't want to add more movies to my backlog, how much more can they do to the story even if it's a new boxer :lol:

Just watch on 1.5x speed, you'll finish a 2 hour movie in about 1 hour and 20 minutes. :)

[Andrew NDB]

Wow, but still, does that mean this newbie boxer is 30 years old?

does that mean he cheated on his wife right before his match? maybe him dying was karma?
:lol:

Hm, Rocky IV was 1985, assuming Creed was born 9 months later in 1986, and Creed 1 took place in 2015... he'd be about 29.

I watched all the Rocky films (before creed) about 3 years ago and I enjoyed them but can't say I'm a huge fan, didn't think any of them were amazing but I had fun.

I'm an enormous fan. They start out so small but so great, then keep getting bigger and more intense... then it all becomes really, really sad between Rocky V, Rocky Balboa, and Creed. A guy that fights to get everything, does, then little by little loses everything and everybody until all he has left is his dignity. And then he gets possibly terminal cancer. Yeesh. SAD!

[CyberCubed]

The Rocky films are basically a portrayal of most real life sports athletes. They have their prime and rise to fame when they're really young. They have their "regular years" into their 30's or whatever, then they age and start performing worse and then they fall out of popularity...and then it's the waning years where they basically retire and then fans who liked them as kids are now nostalgic for them.

It's basically the same thing for any really popular sports athlete. What can you expect? People age and get older, of course they're going to lose their skill and then when they get really old they have to retire.

[MikeandRaph87]

Wow, but still, does that mean this newbie boxer is 30 years old?

does that mean he cheated on his wife right before his match? maybe him dying was karma?
:lol:

What a way to kill daddy Creed's character but I guess it's a good movie since everyone loves it



I watched all the Rocky films (before creed) about 3 years ago and I enjoyed them but can't say I'm a huge fan, didn't think any of them were amazing but I had fun. I think this one would be similar. I just don't want to add more movies to my backlog, how much more can they do to the story even if it's a new boxer :lol:

The interesting thing is Carl Withers wanted to appear in Rock Balboa(Rocky VI) when asked if his likeness oculd be used for flashbacks, despite his character being dead.

Apollo was was an arrogant showman, but he was no cheater. However, yes he was retroactively a cheater who conceived a second son the night before he died in Las Vegas. That would give Adonis a 1986 birth. So he would have been 29 years old starting his boxing career. Why not have Apollo and Mary Anne's son attempt boxing and have a more emotional connection with Mary Ann horrified at the possibility of a deja vu. Instead his wife learns of her husband's infidelity and the random one nighter was also dead so she raised not their son, but her husband's illegitimate son. It would have probably suited better even if it was an illegitimate son conceived just before he died to have the movie not take place in 2015, but perhaps right after Rocky Balboa (Rocky XI)? Apollo and Mary Anne's son would have been in his mid 20s' or if they went the out of character illegitimate son route he would have been 20 years old. That would not be much younger than Tommy Gunn was in Rocky V.

[Ninjinister]

Will it be the same without Stallone though?

He didn't direct the first Creed.

[Coola Yagami]

He's still in it, presumably still as Creed's manager. He co-wrote the script, too. Obviously, we're not going to get Stallone vs. Lundgren, round 2, but I suspect there will be some kind of conflict there.

I meant more in terms in, didn't he direct all of the movies?

[Andrew NDB]

I meant more in terms in, didn't he direct all of the movies?

No. He directed Rocky II, III, IV and Rocky Balboa. Which is technically "most" of them, but yeah. Creed was directed by Ryan Coogler, who did Fruitvale Station and the upcoming Black Panther movie.

[Autbot_Benz]

Drago's Son has been Cast

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd_ib_1jeuy/

officialslystalloneCongratulations to Florian “ Big Nasty” Munteanu for getting the part as IVAN DRAGOS son! 6 feet four, 245 pounds of talent.#mgm #creed #creed2

[Andrew NDB]

Am I the only one who wishes they'd get actors to play the opponents in these movies? Ever since Rocky V it's been real boxer after real boxer and none of them have "stuck" the way the opponents in 1-4 did.

[joe-eyeball]

Am I the only one who wishes they'd get actors to play the opponents in these movies? Ever since Rocky V it's been real boxer after real boxer and none of them have "stuck" the way the opponents in 1-4 did.

I agree but I think some of that has to do with Rocky’s opponents in the first four movies just being more interesting characters that lent themselves perfectly to the story being told. I mean Apollo was a very relevant character at the time mirroring in many ways the showmanship displayed by boxers in that era. Clubber Lang was in a way his own underdog Rocky like character but just from the other side of the tracks. Again he was perfect in showing the need for Rocky to embrace his own “coming up from nothing” origins. And Drago was of course very culturally relevant during the whole 80’s Cold War/Regan era. It was an easy way to make Rocky a national hero once again but continue to humble and humanize the character.

As for the rest of the boxers/opponents in the rest of the films they were just there mostly because you’ve got to fight someone if you’re going to box. I think those films weren’t so much about “who” Rocky was fighting but more of “why” he was fighting. Those films were just more about Rocky’s personal growth as his career came to end and didn’t really need an opponent that carried the same weight as he did. In those films Rocky was his own opponent. That’s not to say that the first four films didn’t feature some of those same elements but his opponents character development was integral in creating the Rocky character legend we see today.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, but did anyone care about Tommy Gunn? Did Mason Dixon leave a meaningful stamp on the saga? Does anyone even remember who Creed fought in the last movie?

[joe-eyeball]

Yeah, but did anyone care about Tommy Gunn? Did Mason Dixon leave a meaningful stamp on the saga? Does anyone even remember who Creed fought in the last movie?

Exactly that’s what I’m trying to say. We really weren’t supposed to care about those guys in 5, Balboa, or Creed because it was all about Rocky and what he was fighting for and not so much who he was fighting. Hence why Stallone chose to get fighters for those films. Plus I know Stallone has said that he always wanted the boxing in those later films to look more authentic. I’m not sure if he actually achieved that but I can say that never really mattered to me.

[Andrew NDB]

Exactly that’s what I’m trying to say. We really weren’t supposed to care about those guys in 5, Balboa, or Creed because it was all about Rocky and what he was fighting for and not so much who he was fighting.

It's still possible to do that and have memorable opponents.

Plus I know Stallone has said that he always wanted the boxing in those later films to look more authentic. I’m not sure if he actually achieved that but I can say that never really mattered to me.

I'm sure that's more what it came down to. But I mean, sh**, just send the opponent actor to boxing camp for 3 months. This is Hollywood.

[ranger_scout]

Here is the poster.

http://cdn3-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/gallery/creed-ii/creed_ii-_poster2.jpg

Plus, the synopsis has also been released.

Life has become a balancing act for Adonis Creed. Between personal obligations and training for his next big fight, he is up against the challenge of his life. Facing an opponent with ties to his family’s past only intensifies his impending battle in the ring. Rocky Balboa is there by his side through it all and, together, Rocky and Adonis will confront their shared legacy, question what’s worth fighting for, and discover that nothing’s more important than family. Creed II is about going back to basics to rediscover what made you a champion in the first place, and remembering that, no matter where you go, you can’t escape your history.


http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/953501-first-creed-ii-poster-enters-the-ring

[Andrew NDB]

Here is the poster.

http://cdn3-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/gallery/creed-ii/creed_ii-_poster2.jpg

Plus, the synopsis has also been released.



http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/953501-first-creed-ii-poster-enters-the-ring

Where's the teaser trailer? That's supposed to drop today, too.

[Autbot_Benz]

Where's the teaser trailer? That's supposed to drop today, too.

they changed it to wednesday

[Andrew NDB]

they changed it to wednesday

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-03/enhanced/webdr08/7/14/anigif_enhanced-26960-1394220266-21.gif

[oldmanwinters]

Am I the only one who wishes they'd get actors to play the opponents in these movies? Ever since Rocky V it's been real boxer after real boxer and none of them have "stuck" the way the opponents in 1-4 did.

Yeah, but did anyone care about Tommy Gunn? Did Mason Dixon leave a meaningful stamp on the saga? Does anyone even remember who Creed fought in the last movie?

Agreed. Entertainment > Realism when it comes to sports movies. Give us back the over-the-top icons!

[TigerClaw]

Here's the 1st trailer for Creed 2

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[Andrew NDB]

Here's the new trailer:

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Looks awesome. Finally a little bit of Drago Sr. in there. That look Rocky gives him... chilling.

[XERO]

I'm so watching this. Drago, Sr. looks like he still gives no f*cks about killing Apollo.

[Andrew NDB]

I think there will be some touching backstory to Drago Sr. we have no idea about, knowing the minds involved.

Two things most people won't be expecting but I know will be in the movie:

1) Brigitte Nielsen is in it, reprising the wife role. Maybe estranged.

2) Stallone strongly, strongly suggested there will be at least one scene where Rocky punches Drago Sr..

[Andrew NDB]

Saw "Creed II," and after re-watching all 7 of the other movies. Fantastic! Just so much awesome. I've been looking forward to this even more than any of the Marvel stuff. Everything I wanted to see I saw here, and more. Nice surprises, too. Pretty much every character gets a good story in this, everyone hit with a big dose of "Family." Also the boxing has never looked more realistic and hard-hitting as in this.

A lot of people will and have criticized the movie because it potentially digs too deeply into the Rocky lore at a time when Creed is supposed to be coming into his own and maybe not leaning on the past, particularly Rocky's old movies. But what else were they supposed to do? Just throw completely new, unrelated/unconnected to anyone bad guys at Creed in this sequel, while he deals with his rise in boxing? I guess they could've (and sort of have to after this), but anyone who's a big Rocky fan certainly walked out of the first Creed movie pondering, "Oooh... what if Creed fought Drago's son?" (or alternately -- stupidly -- people pondering, "What if Creed fought Drago himself?!") I know I did, but not just to see another boxing match between a Creed and a Drago. I wanted to see Drago getting the "Creed"/"Rocky Balboa" treatment... many years after Rocky IV now, to see him get a story arc and become humanized. What they did here was nuanced and short with them, but it was strong... and sad.

I really love these movies. Rocky already had its near-perfect end with "Rocky Balboa," then like 10 years later we get Creed... yet it works flawlessly. And now we're getting more and more.

I don't know what they will do in a Creed III. Pit him against Clubber Lang's son? Surely not. Whatever they do, though, I think it will very likely involve Rocky dying and Creed having to cope without his training wheels. And that's going to be very sad.

New Rocky rankings? Eh. I think my taste has changed slightly.

1. Rocky
2. Rocky Balboa
3. Rocky II
4. Rocky IV
5. Creed
6. Creed II
7. Rocky III
8. Rocky V

But I don't dislike any of them, even Rocky V. Rocky Balboa retroactively makes Rocky V a pretty necessary step, and a worthwhile one.

Bring on Rambo: Last Blood!

Creed's new trunks in the 2nd fight didn't have "Johnson" on the back, I noticed (the pair his mother made for him had "Creed" on the front and "Johnson" on the back). What is this supposed to mean?

[Leo656]

I actually don't want to go through Rocky dying. That's my only reservation going forward.

I know Stallone's been saying since Rocky II that he's wanted to play Rocky's death scene in a future film - although he's since waffled a few times - but I don't think I can take it.

Like I'm an asshole about a lot of things but I'm not made of stone. I don't wanna watch ROCKY f*cking die. C'mon. Even hearing about it happening offscreen is more than I think I could take. :ohwell:

[Andrew NDB]

I actually don't want to go through Rocky dying. That's my only reservation going forward.

I know Stallone's been saying since Rocky II that he's wanted to play Rocky's death scene in a future film - although he's since waffled a few times - but I don't think I can take it.

Like I'm an asshole about a lot of things but I'm not made of stone. I don't wanna watch ROCKY f*cking die. C'mon. Even hearing about it happening offscreen is more than I think I could take. :ohwell:

Yeah, he's been trying to kill off Rocky since Rocky V. I just can't think of any writer's room for Creed III that won't immediately be like, "OK, Creed has got to outgrow Rocky. Now. Rocky death scene" ala Mickey in Rocky III.

Conversely, I'm disappointed we didn't get to see Adrian or Paulie die on screen. If I had one gripe with "Rocky Balboa" is that I don't see a convincing enough case for not having Adrian there and the quasi-flirtatious thing with Lil Marie. Adrian on her death bed or suffering from Alzheimer's or something while he's contemplating his big return to the ring would have been better.

[Leo656]

Before then, even. There's interviews from the Rocky II press tours where he said if he "had the courage", Rocky should die in Part III.

I assume sanity kicked in when he realized that if Thunderlips couldn't kill him, then no way Clubber Lang could. :trazz:

I'unno man, I feel like they've hit a good spot between the drama, the "slice of life", and the full-blown tragedy in this series. I think if we'd actually gotten some of those moments on-screen, it would push people away. Remember, movies are edited nowadays to shield people almost completely from feeling any real emotion, to "protect" them from anything too uncomfortable. Watching Adrian wither away in a hospital bed - AGAIN - might be emotional, but it would really kill the repeat business. Just from a practical standpoint.

[XERO]

Great movie, and totally worth the 3-year wait.

I'm on the fence about Rocky potentially dying in future installments. On one hand, it would definitely give the next movie the emotional breakdown it would need. On the other, it's f*ckin' Rocky, and he already had a scare in the first Creed with the cancer. If they ever decide for Rocky to finally pass on, it needs to be an absolutely necessary reason, and not just a preferred tear-jerker. It has to have meaning.

At the same time, the idea might have just transformed itself into a red herring, because it's so expected now. Whatever the case, I will definitely be watching Creed III if they green light it.

[Andrew NDB]

Creed III is definitely happening. Creed II had the biggest opening of any Rocky/Creed movie.

[Autbot_Benz]

Just saw it a worthy sequel but I Still think the First is better. Tessa Thompson and Micheal B Jordan have amazing chemistry.I legit teared up at the ending with Rocky and his Son. I don't wanna see Rocky Die either.

[Andrew NDB]

Aw, Stallone retires from Rocky entirely. He won't be in Creed III:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/stallone-retires-from-rocky-balboa-role/?fbclid=IwAR0cwcxEu0WM1k2Fg5jCLlqK69vc2JStm-F0HHSROZ9o9xbJebEUAcFLXEU

[Leo656]

Yeah yeah, sure sure. The next senior citizen to turn down a $20 million check will be the very first.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah yeah, sure sure. The next senior citizen to turn down a $20 million check will be the very first.

I don't think he's messing around. Probably it's because he's killing off Rambo on-screen in Rambo: Last Blood, he doesn't want to do the same with Rocky.

So Rocky will die between Creed movies and Creed will be talking to his headstone. Probably.

[Leo656]

You vastly underestimate people's greed, sir. :lol:

I mean, Jackman actually did kill off Wolverine onscreen, and we're already talking about his inevitable un-retirement once Disney offers him a sweet enough plum. Some things are inevitable, whether they're right or not.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean, Jackman actually did kill off Wolverine onscreen, and we're already talking about his inevitable un-retirement once Disney offers him a sweet enough plum.

lol, there won't be the slightest interest in bringing back Hugh as Wolverine post-Fox acquisition. Though maybe Jackman can play a different character in the MCU?

[Leo656]

We'll see. I personally don't care to see it but they'll almost certainly fit him in somewhere.