MCU Spider-Man 2 (2019)

[ProphetofGanja]

Figured it was time to start a thread for the MCU's Spider-Man 2, coming out July 5th, 2019

Spider-Man: [Subtitle to Come] will be the first film in the MCU's Phase 4, kicking off a new era of Marvel films with a new slate of superheroes

Spider-Man 2 on IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6320628/)

Miscellaneous Film Info on Digital Spy (http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/spider-man/feature/a832366/spider-man-2-release-date-cast-plot-and-everything-you-need-to-know/)

REPORT: MCU’s Spider-Man 2 Casting ‘Femme Fatale’ (https://www.cbr.com/spider-man-homecoming-sequel-female-black-cat/)

Post any additional info or rumors you find

[The Deadman]

Kevin Feige Confirms SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING Sequel Will Be A Global Movie Set Primarily Outside Of NYC

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/homecoming/kevin-feige-confirms-spider-man-homecoming-sequel-will-be-a-global-movie-set-primarily-outside-of-nyc-a159871

[PApagreg]

Am I the only one who is hoping Tombstone to make an appearance.

[ProphetofGanja]

Kevin Feige Confirms SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING Sequel Will Be A Global Movie Set Primarily Outside Of NYC

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/homecoming/kevin-feige-confirms-spider-man-homecoming-sequel-will-be-a-global-movie-set-primarily-outside-of-nyc-a159871

I'm really curious what the plan is for the story the second time around... and who this "femme fatale" I read about them casting for a few months back

[NinjaPug]

Jake Gyllenhaal is in talks to play Mysterio. I thought this rumor was bogus since it originated from The Sun but one of the Hollywood trades is reporting it now too.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/jake-gyllenhaal-talks-star-spider-man-homecoming-2-1113627?__twitter_impression=true

[MikeandRaph87]

Am I the only one who is hoping Tombstone to make an appearance.

Tombstone to me is like a top lieutenant in the underworld under any of Kingpin, Silvermane or Hammerhead. I suppose he could have a small role if the character appears,but representing one of the other three. That is just me.

I want to see Scorpion or Mysterio in a Spider-Man film, in costume and not just a throw away character. It would be great if Mysterio will be the lead villain. I assumed Chameleon since the film is said to have an international setting.

[ranger_scout]

This report about Gyllenhaal joining the film says that Michael Keaton will be returning as the Vulture.

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/jake-gyllenhaal-spider-man-2-tom-holland-1202719941/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&scrlybrkr=b58fe8da

[ProphetofGanja]

Wow, more Michael Keaton as the Vulture and now possibly Jake Gyllenhaal as Mysterio? Far out, man. I'd always hoped to get Mysterio in a live-action film

[Andrew NDB]

http://nerdreactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/SC_Vincent-2.jpeg

WHOA! Now Vincent D'onofrio is confirmed to reprise the Kingpin in this (http://www.react365.com/5b049ac124b3e/vincent-d-onofrio-cast-for-spider-man-homecoming-sequel.html)!!

[Cure]

Uuuuh are you doing a bit? Because that site seems sketchy and it's not being reported anywhere else. All I see is news on him wrapping Daredevil Season 3.

[Autbot_Benz]

http://nerdreactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/SC_Vincent-2.jpeg

WHOA! Now Vincent D'onofrio is confirmed to reprise the Kingpin in this (http://www.react365.com/5b049ac124b3e/vincent-d-onofrio-cast-for-spider-man-homecoming-sequel.html)!!

https://i.imgur.com/D3cJQtD.gif

no other site is reporting this so I don't believe it. never even heard of that site your using before.

[Andrew NDB]

https://s.faketrumptweet.com/jhia52au_ydqh6l_hn4v0i.png

[ProphetofGanja]

Spider-Man: Homecoming 2 Plot Leak Reveals Major Avengers 4 Death? (https://movieweb.com/spider-man-homecoming-2-story-death-tony-stark/)


Spider-Man: Homecoming 2 is expected to begin production in a few months and some new plot leaks have hit the web. There's a lot of question as to how the Marvel Cinematic Universe will choose to handle the promotion of Spider-Man: Homecoming 2 since it comes out so close to Avengers 4. While they aren't currently worried about that aspect, this new leak sheds some interesting light on the possible storylines for both films. It's important to note that these are far from official and should just be treated as entertainment. That being said, there could be potential spoilers for Spider-Man: Homecoming 2 and Avengers 4 ahead, so read at your own risk.

This new Spider-Man: Homecoming 2 plot leak comes from a Reddit source who is considered "trustworthy" after leaking Infinity War details before the movie hit theaters. Again, we'll take these with a grain of salt. Obviously, Peter Parker is back from wherever he went in Infinity War and survives the events of Avengers 4. However, according to this new leak, Parker is mourning the death of Tony Stark as the movie begins, which is the opposite of how we last saw the two together.

Tony Stark has been rumored to not make it to Phase 4 of the MCU for over a year now, so this aspect seems legit. Elsewhere, the leak claims that Michael Keaton is back as Adrian Toomes, aka the Vulture along with Mac Gargan, aka Scorpion, for small roles in Spider-Man: Homecoming 2. Mysterio will reportedly be the main villain, which has also been reported, but there's no mention of Jake Gyllenhaal taking on the role.

The leak claims that the Spider-Man: Homecoming 2 story will center on something "groundbreaking" that Tony Stark has created and Mysterio will steal it after being hired by a familiar villain. The new leaked details do not specify who the mysterious boss is, but it says, "he's a major villain from the comic books who will have a prominent role in these movies moving forward." Sony and Marvel are reportedly looking for an A-list actor to take on the role, which is supposed to be a surprise. Again, nothing about this leak has been confirmed by Marvel or Sony, and even if it was, they probably would not even acknowledge it.

Finally, the new Spider-Man: Homecoming 2 leak also claims that the sequel will set up the Sinister Six. The leak says that it is "confirmed," but that could mean anything. As far as seeing the Sinister Six in Spider-Man: Homecoming 2, it's believed that they will be planting the seed in the film, instead of showing up right away. The leak goes on to imply that the villains might not all show up in the third movie of the trlogy either. They're expected to show up at some point down the line in Sony's Marvel Universe. You can read more about the Spider-Man: Homecoming 2 leak over at Reddit.


I can't remember now where I read it earlier today, but it's rumored that the sequel may be titled Spider-Man: Field Trip. I guess we'll see if that turns out to be true.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Sounds pretty plausible to me.

[ProphetofGanja]

Sounds pretty plausible to me.

Right? I feel like it's at least partially correct. I do find it funny that it doesn't entirely jibe with the rumors I've heard about Avengers 4 (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1761786&postcount=59), because I wouldn't want to know everything before both of these movies come out, I just want an inkling of what''s to come.

[Autbot_Benz]

Spider-Man: Homecoming 2 Plot Leak Reveals Major Avengers 4 Death? (https://movieweb.com/spider-man-homecoming-2-story-death-tony-stark/)



I can't remember now where I read it earlier today, but it's rumored that the sequel may be titled Spider-Man: Field Trip. I guess we'll see if that turns out to be true.

Still sounds better than Sony's Sinister Six they tried to Bum rush

[ProphetofGanja]

Still sounds better than Sony's Sinister Six they tried to Bum rush

Yeah, that's a major pet peeve of mine. Studios need to understand that you can't rush teams of villains, be it the Sinister Six or the Legion of Doom (here's looking at you, Warner Bros). Because if each villain hasn't been built up and we the audience have no knowledge of the reason for their animosity against the heroes who star in these movies then why should we even give a f#ck?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Why don't the production companies start a live-action Spiderman television (or Netflix) series instead of just rebooting the film series over and over again? Remember DC Comics and Marvel Comics are bigger businessens than TMNT. Also, we live in a time of television (in practice Netflix) series.

[raph27]

Why don't the production companies start a live-action Spiderman television (or Netflix) series instead of just rebooting the film series over and over again? Remember DC Comics and Marvel Comics are bigger businessens than TMNT. Also, we live in a time of television (in practice Netflix) series.

Movies make a lot more money. Also, you'd need a huge CGI budget to do a ton of Spidey's rogues justice, which is money many live-action shows don't have.

[Candy Kappa]

Besides, we already got the perfect Spider-Man LA series.

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The emissary from Hell!

[ProphetofGanja]

https://www.polygon.com/2018/6/23/17498072/spider-man-2-far-from-home-title

Spider-Man: Far From Home

What do you guys think, real title reveal or instagram shenanigans?

[Coola Yagami]

https://www.polygon.com/2018/6/23/17498072/spider-man-2-far-from-home-title

Spider-Man: Far From Home

What do you guys think, real title reveal or instagram shenanigans?

Shouldn't be. He should be back on Earth fighting Mysterio and Vulture.

[ZariusTwo]

Shouldn't be. He should be back on Earth fighting Mysterio and Vulture.

I don't think this implies he's off-world...if anything, this just verifies those leaks that the sequel will be a globe-trotter.

[Mayhem]

Who knows... presuming people come back when they undo Thanos' finger snap in the second half of Avengers, who's to say they don't reappear where they originally vanished from? Which means... Parker would come back on Titan.

[raph27]

Who knows... presuming people come back when they undo Thanos' finger snap in the second half of Avengers, who's to say they don't reappear where they originally vanished from? Which means... Parker would come back on Titan.

I assume if/when that happens, Peter would find his way back to Earth during the rest of Avengers 4. This title is almost certainly referring to him going to a different country like we've been hearing rumors of.

[Shark_Blade]

Sounds other realm-y/outer spacey like Guardians of the Galaxy.

If it’s just another country he could just make an international call or send an email to Aunt May saying he’s fine.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm smelling burning toast again...

[Shark_Blade]

I'm smelling burning toast again...

You should go find an engineer to fix your lousy electrical appliance then.

Ain’t nobody got time to deal with your stupid kitchen malfunction.

[ProphetofGanja]

The Avengers 4 Trailers Are Going to Have a Weird Marketing Problem (https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-avengers-4-trailers-are-going-to-have-a-weird-marke-1827106179)

After the release of Avengers: Infinity War, everything about the Marvel Cinematic Universe was suddenly in question, with an obvious problem: How in the hell will Marvel market movies released in the future starring characters who Thanos seemingly snapped into oblivion?

This weekend, io9 finally sat down with Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige and got to ask him about this. We asked, straight up, could a character like Black Panther (who disappeared in Avengers: Infinity War) show up in the trailers for Avengers 4?

“No,” Feige told io9. “Because he’s gone.”

One can safely assume that goes for everyone who Thanos killed. So does that mean Marvel is going to release a movie that stars Chadwick Boseman, Chris Pratt, Benedict Cumberbatch, Paul Bettany, Sebastian Stan, Dave Bautista, and Tom Holland, but pretend they aren’t in it? Sounds like it.

Speaking of Holland, we then asked Feige about Spider-Man: Far From Home, the sequel to Homecoming, which will be released two months after Avengers 4. It has the same tricky issue, because Spider-Man was also snapped away by Thanos.

“Well, when does that movie take place?” Feige asked. “We know it’s the summer. I think it’s summer vacation. I think he’s going to Europe with his friends. I don’t know what summer... I mean, I do know [but you don’t].”

The suggestion that Far From Home could happen before Infinity War is a nice deflection, but ultimately is probably not true. What Feige forgot were his quotes from one year ago, when we spoke with him about Spider-Man: Homecoming:

“So much happens in [the third and fourth Avengers movies], as you can imagine, and so much is affected by it that we felt what better person to hold your hand and lead you into the next incarnation of the MCU, in a grounded, realistic manner, than Peter Parker?” Feige told io9 last year. “So, coming out two months after Untitled Avengers, [that’s what] much of what the next Spider-Man film will be about.”

“It was purposefully done like [that],” Feige continued last year. “Like how the events of Captain America: Civil War impacted Peter as he was dropped off by Tony and expected to go back to continue his sophomore year, how the hell are the events of Infinity War and Untitled [Avengers] going to affect him as he, yes, goes back to his junior year?”

So, though Feige joked this week that Far From Home may not take place after the events of Infinity War, it almost certainly does. And that means we still don’t know how that film will be marketed. However, Tom Holland’s tongue-in-cheek title reveal may offer a clue. In the video, he said “I’m a little confused [about Spider-Man 2] because I died so I don’t really know how it comes into play.” Maybe Marvel will just treat the whole thing with a great big shoulder shrug. Or, maybe Feige’s suggestion of a different timeline is the answer—and nothing in the trailer will confirm when the movie takes place.

Before Far From Home, though, audiences will see Ant-Man and the Wasp next week, then Captain Marvel in March 2019, followed by Avengers 4 in May. Feige thinks marketing for Avengers 4 is likely to start sometime in the fall or winter—and when it happens, it seems like anyone who died in Infinity War will not be a part of it. Though, Feige did leave open the possibility that could change by saying he isn’t sure of how it’s all going down. “We are working with the greatest marketing team in the world with Disney so I’m anxious to see how they start to put [the marketing] together,” Feige said.

You’ll get your first clues of what’s to come in Ant-Man and the Wasp, which opens July 6. More on that and from Feige soon.

[ranger_scout]

Anton Zeck/Bebop from the most recent TMNT TV series has joined the film.

https://deadline.com/2018/07/jb-smoove-spider-man-far-from-home-movie-sony-pictures-jake-gyllenhaal-1202423142/

[ZariusTwo]

Samuel L. Jackson and Cobie Smulders will appear as Nick Fury and Maria Hill

http://www.vulture.com/2018/08/spider-man-sequel-adds-samuel-l-jackson-cobie-smulders.html

[MikeandRaph87]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/spider-man-2-far-home-villain-hydro-man-tease/amp/

Far From Home might be including Hydro-Man. The way we got Scorpion teased and a Tinkerer cameo in addition to Vulture playing villain A and Shocker villain B I fear Marvel may not have learned. Keep the villains down to two per film. After two Spider-Man films suffering from too many villains I hope its not the case unless its a single scene similar to the proposed Spider-Man 4 showing Mysterio and other villains in cameoes.

[TigerClaw]

Set Video and first images of Jake Gyllenhaal as Mysterio
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/far_from_home/spider-man-far-from-home-set-video-reveals-our-first-look-at-jake-gyllenhaal-as-mysterio-a163822

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoYD1nhXsAA_SBp.jpg:small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoYDb2KXsAATaIu.jpg:small

[ProphetofGanja]

Hyyyyyyype

[neatoman]

Set Video and first images of Jake Gyllenhaal as Mysterio
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/far_from_home/spider-man-far-from-home-set-video-reveals-our-first-look-at-jake-gyllenhaal-as-mysterio-a163822

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoYD1nhXsAA_SBp.jpg:small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoYDb2KXsAATaIu.jpg:small

Where's the fishbowl?

[Xav]

Maybe it's gonna be CGI'd later.

[TigerClaw]

Maybe it's gonna be CGI'd later.
Or maybe he's not wearing it between takes? But hopefully that helmet is in the movie. Anyways I hope they go nuts with the visual FX. Because Mysterio is all about that. Since he used to be someone who did visual FX for movies.

So I'm assuming he has tech that was stolen from Tony Stark. or some alien tech that was reverse engineered to create all those crazy visuals that Mysterio is known for.

[Coola Yagami]

Or maybe he's not wearing it between takes? But hopefully that helmet is in the movie. Anyways I hope they go nuts with the visual FX. Because Mysterio is all about that. Since he used to be someone who did visual FX for movies.

So I'm assuming he has tech that was stolen from Tony Stark. or some alien tech that was reverse engineered to create all those crazy visuals that Mysterio is known for.

I'd prefer if it was already his own tech but he later uses alien/Stark/whatever else tech to enhance it. We need villains that bring new tech to the table and not just borrow pre-existing stuff.

[TigerClaw]

First images of Spider-Man's new suit. and it looks like the Superior Spider-Man suit.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/far_from_home/more-spider-man-far-from-home-set-photos-reveal-the-front-of-spideys-spectacular-new-suit-a164074

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpUcL61WwAEdV5G.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/f67pW9/2389239.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

Where's the fishbowl?

This is the MCU. He'll wear it at the beginning of one scene and it'll be in the trailers, but then take it off and never see it again.

[ZariusTwo]

Spidey and MJ swing across the city

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/107050/6644429-tom-holland-dons-spider-man-far-from-home-costume-while-filming-with-zendaya-in-nyc204.jpg

[ProphetofGanja]

This is the MCU. He'll wear it at the beginning of one scene and it'll be in the trailers, but then take it off and never see it again.

Nobody is a bigger perpetrator of always having the main hero take their mask off than Sony with all their Spider-Man movies

[Redeemer]

Spidey and MJ swing across the city

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/107050/6644429-tom-holland-dons-spider-man-far-from-home-costume-while-filming-with-zendaya-in-nyc204.jpg

Did anyone else just realize MJ is not Mary Jane Watson, but Michelle Jones :lol:
I feel like an idiot for not noticing earlier, but it makes me wonder why the chose this route.

[Leo656]

Plausible deniability.

Having Mary Jane be non-white would cause no small bit of anger amongst the fans. But having two white people kiss each other is apparently against Movie Law, now, because "Too Many Honkies Is Offensive," or something, so Mary-Jane simply can't be white, even though she is. So, you create a new, non-white character that coincidentally has the initials "MJ", so you can have your cake and eat it too. "See? Spidey still loves 'MJ'! It's totally the exact same thing!"

I mean, sure... her family is different... her backstory is different... her name is different... literally every single thing about her is different... but sure, it's exactly the same! :lol:

Not sure if you actually wanted an answer to your question, but that is, indeed, the answer to your question.

Also: The whole thing is stupid.

[Shark_Blade]

Did anyone else just realize MJ is not Mary Jane Watson, but Michelle Jones :lol:
I feel like an idiot for not noticing earlier, but it makes me wonder why the chose this route.

She’s not even a red head/ginger so no.

[ZariusTwo]

Did anyone else just realize MJ is not Mary Jane Watson, but Michelle Jones :lol:
I feel like an idiot for not noticing earlier, but it makes me wonder why the chose this route.

I have a theory she'll end up changing her name to Mary Jane at some point in the series, either as witness protection or if she takes up acting and wants a stage name

[Leo656]

Part of me also thinks it's a Disney-mandated thing, wherein they don't want to feature a character who's name is slang for marijuana in a film that's aimed at children. That's exactly the kind of over-thinking nonsense I'd expect from them. I'm quite positive it was at least part of the conversation.

The same kind of "But kids will make jokes!" junk that turned Dick Grayson into Rick Grayson, or whatever the hell it is now. :roll:

[Autbot_Benz]

http://collider.com/spider-man-far-from-home-trailer-recap/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social

While the rest of us will have to wait a little while longer to see the Spider-Man: Far From Home trailer, Collider’s own Steve Weintraub was in the audience at Comic-Con Experience Brazil to get a glimpse at the first footage. Here’s his rundown of what he saw:

[Redeemer]

Plausible deniability.

Having Mary Jane be non-white would cause no small bit of anger amongst the fans. But having two white people kiss each other is apparently against Movie Law, now, because "Too Many Honkies Is Offensive," or something, so Mary-Jane simply can't be white, even though she is. So, you create a new, non-white character that coincidentally has the initials "MJ", so you can have your cake and eat it too. "See? Spidey still loves 'MJ'! It's totally the exact same thing!"

I mean, sure... her family is different... her backstory is different... her name is different... literally every single thing about her is different... but sure, it's exactly the same! :lol:

Not sure if you actually wanted an answer to your question, but that is, indeed, the answer to your question.

Also: The whole thing is stupid.

Yeah sounds about right. Extremist trying push their agenda for the sake of equality, while simoltaneously discriminating against others :lol:

I have a theory she'll end up changing her name to Mary Jane at some point in the series, either as witness protection or if she takes up acting and wants a stage name

You must be doing some deep thinking coming up with the idea of witness protection. The idea of Mary Jane being a stage name is really good though or maybe a pen name if she becomes a investigator or photographer like she has in other incarnations??? (I think this only happened in the Ultimate Cartoon. :lol: )

Part of me also thinks it's a Disney-mandated thing, wherein they don't want to feature a character who's name is slang for marijuana in a film that's aimed at children. That's exactly the kind of over-thinking nonsense I'd expect from them. I'm quite positive it was at least part of the conversation.

The same kind of "But kids will make jokes!" junk that turned Dick Grayson into Rick Grayson, or whatever the hell it is now. :roll:

That is so freaking stupid....... Does anyone still even call it Mary Jane????? Really Disney????? Because this would not shock me.

[ZariusTwo]

You must be doing some deep thinking coming up with the idea of witness protection. The idea of Mary Jane being a stage name is really good though or maybe a pen name if she becomes a investigator or photographer like she has in other incarnations??? (I think this only happened in the Ultimate Cartoon. :lol: )

She's an investigator in the recent PS4 video game too, and she was delving into that occupation a little in the Ultimate comics which the cartoon based elements off of.

[Leo656]

That is so freaking stupid....... Does anyone still even call it Mary Jane????? Really Disney????? Because this would not shock me.

Of course they do. :lol:

Sometimes I forget that most people here don't seem to partake of The Devil's Lettuce. :trazz:

But yeah people still call it that.

[ProphetofGanja]

Spider-Man and Mysterio Are Working Together in ‘Far From Home’; Villains Revealed (http://collider.com/spider-man-far-from-home-mysterio-villains/#jake-gyllenhaal)


Not much is known about the Spider-Man: Homecoming sequel Spider-Man: Far From Home, and that’s exactly how Marvel Studios wants it. However, given that Far From Home is a Sony Pictures release, Marvel doesn’t exactly get to decide how the film is marketed or even when it’s released—no doubt Marvel would rather have let the whole “Spider-Man is dead after Infinity War” thing linger a little while longer before set photos of Tom Holland alive and well shooting Far From Home hit the interwebs.

But Hollywood is a business at heart, and Sony wants to ensure that Far From Home is as big a hit as Homecoming was. To that end, Far From Home cast members Holland, Jake Gyllenhaal, and Jacob Batalon appeared together at Brazil’s Comic-Con CCXP earlier this month, where they offered up some tantalizing Spider-Man: Far From Home plot details.

We know that Gyllenhaal plays classic Spidey villain Mysterio in the movie, but in offering a pretty substantial plot description for the movie, Batalon not only revealed that Spider-Man and Mysterio are working together in the film, but the villains are Elementals.

“It’s basically just about the kids going on a European vacation. We go to London, we go to Prague, we go everywhere. It’s just a really fun thing. There’s a lot of dynamics that go on. A lot of relationship stuff. A lot of cool funny stuff. A lot of fun stunt stuff. The main focus is for him not to be Spider-Man per se, but he gets dragged into it. But you know he reluctantly saves the world again with Mysterio. Mysterio’s a good guy in this, they’re both teaming up to kill the game, to defeat these Elemental monsters.”

In Marvel Comics lore, the Elementals are four extradimensional humanoids who wreak havoc on Earth. We don’t know how they’ll materialize in the film, but in the comics they are Hellfire (he controls flames), Hydron (controls water), Magnum (controls earth), and Zephyr (a female Elemental who can control the air).

Gyllenhaal revealed that Mysterio is recruited by Samuel L. Jackson’s Nick Fury because he knows more about the Elementals than anyone else:

“Well there are these threats to the world, the Elemental creatures, and Mysterio is someone who knows about them and who wants to make sure that the world is safe from them, and Nick Fury asks him to come on and help because he’s the only one who really understands them in a way. And he teams up with the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man and unfortunately he has to make him become more than just a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.”

Curious.Very curious. Obviously since Mysterio is a classic Spider-Man villain there’s the possibility that there’s more going on here and Mysterio eventually turns on Holland’s Peter Parker, but for now it appears the official plot has them teaming up.

We’ll no doubt learn more about Spider-Man: Far From Home when Sony finally releases that trailer online, but for now you can check out the full CCXP interview with Holland, Gyllenhaal, and Batalon below.

For more on Spider-Man: Far From Home, peruse links to our recent coverage below:


‘Spider-Man: Far From Home’ Trailer Recap: Europe, Nick Fury, and Mysterio’s Costume
Watch ‘Far From Home’s Tom Holland and Jake Gyllenhaal Surprise the Brazil Comic-Con Crowd
First Images of the ‘Spider-Man: Far From Home’ Stealth Suit

[Redeemer]

Spider-Man and Mysterio Are Working Together in ‘Far From Home’; Villains Revealed (http://collider.com/spider-man-far-from-home-mysterio-villains/#jake-gyllenhaal)

wow that a big plot/spoiler

[ZariusTwo]

Mysterio is absolutely behind the Elementals.

[TigerClaw]

Mysterio is absolutely behind the Elementals.
He's gotta be. Since his whole thing is creating illusions. And he's a character who likes messing around with Spider-Man all the time. In the comics he was just a guy who was a master of visual FX. I bet he reverse engineered some of that alien technology and is using it.

[ProphetofGanja]

Mysterio is absolutely behind the Elementals.

Yeah, that seems like a pretty safe assumption. There's definitely more going on than meets the eye.

wow that a big plot/spoiler

In my opinion, no information officially released by the studio producing a movie counts as a spoiler, but to each their own.

[Vicky82]

The trailer has been released

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[newfan]

Oh cool, Nick Fury.
That explains the change of suit.
Looks decent.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

As cool as that is, I love how everything and everyone is ignoring the elephant made of deatomized dust in the room.

This motherfvcker is supposed to be DEAD, remember? :tlol:

[Candy Kappa]

like Spider-Man or Fury would stay dead

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

like Spider-Man or Fury would stay dead

'Twas sarcasm. I'm speaking to the marketing, not the plot.

[Coola Yagami]

He got better.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

He got better.

'Twas but a scratch.

[Redeemer]

As cool as that is, I love how everything and everyone is ignoring the elephant made of deatomized dust in the room.

This motherfvcker is supposed to be DEAD, remember? :tlol:

This is a prequel movie of course. It takes place a month after homecoming and a few months before Avengers infinity war. :lol:

Get informed!!!! :lol:

Joking of course.

On a serious note is that Sandman and Hydro-man in the trailer????

[TigerClaw]

How much you are willing to bet. That Mysterio is behind all those creatures appearing? He's known for creating realistic illusions.

throughout the film. We'll see him teaming up with Spider-Man. But by the 3rd act. There is some twist that reveals he's responsible for all those things appearing. and Spider-Man battles him.

Mysterio is a very well known villain. he always takes on Spider-Man. Usually messing with him using his Visual FX trickery.

Chances he he might have reverse engineered some of that alien tech. and using it to his advantage.

[ranger_scout]

Like last year's Ant-Man and the Wasp I definitely think this looks like the kind of Marvel film audiences will want to see, especially after an emotional journey like Avengers: Endgame.

[Coola Yagami]

I think Mysterio's first story was him framing Spider-Man and making the city think he's a hero. Pretty sure the movie will play up the aspect of Mysterio tricking people into thinking he's a hero but all along he's the villain.

[CyberCubed]

Marisa Tomei is 54 years old, damn, she looks like she could pass for late 30's in that trailer. Why is it that 50+ year olds back in the 80's and 90's looked like 70 year olds already?

Now 50 year olds can still hover around late 30's or early 40's in terms of looks.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Marisa Tomei is 54 years old, damn, she looks like she could pass for late 30's in that trailer. Why is it that 50+ year olds back in the 80's and 90's looked like 70 year olds already?

Now 50 year olds can still hover around late 30's or early 40's in terms of looks.

Damn, boy, I've missed your presence. Get back in the game, son! Nostrils, the passage of time, and drooling, that's where it's at! :tlol:

[Coola Yagami]

Damn, boy, I've missed your presence. Get back in the game, son! Nostrils, the passage of time, and drooling, that's where it's at! :tlol:

That's not enough. Other than a May chaser he's also a December chaser.

[MikeandRaph87]

So these elementals that Mysterio is said to be "stopping" are Sandman, Hydroman, and Molten Man or are they Hellfire, Hyrdon, Magnum, and Zephyr?

[Powder]

Doesn't quite have that Spiderman feel, for me, so I'm not enthusiastic at this moment in time...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Doesn't quite have that Spiderman feel, for me, so I'm not enthusiastic at this moment in time...

What do you mean, Spiderman feel? Not enough villain presence, too young, no Mary Jane...? Just curious.

[Cure]

Doesn't quite have that Spiderman feel, for me, so I'm not enthusiastic at this moment in time...

Yeah, I feel you. Doesn't help that the first one was dooooogshit.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, I feel you. Doesn't help that the first one was dooooogshit.

???? The first one waa awesome. Saw it 3 times in theaters. This new kid is very likeable.

[drgon78]

The first one is awesome.

[Leolead]

Hated Homecoming for the radical changes. This looks like more of the same. Easy pass for me.

[ProphetofGanja]

So these elementals that Mysterio is said to be "stopping" are Sandman, Hydroman, and Molten Man or are they Hellfire, Hydron, Magnum, and Zephyr?

Well, Dude, we just don't know

Spider-Man: Homecoming wasn't my absolute favorite Spider-Man flick but it's growing on me. Still not my top fave, but I like it more than the first time I saw it, in theaters. I think it was just a couple little things that I thought were kinda cheesy, like the "omg Aunt May is soo hot" running gag.

[MikeandRaph87]

My biggest problem with Homecoming was the comic book supporting cast either were not present or not as they are supposed to look due to a need for diversity in the cast. I don't know if I am wrong for wanting Mary Jane present as a Caucasian redhead, Betty Brant to have short brown hair, Ned Leeds not to really be friends with Peter but a blonde colleague. I like to see the characters as they are in the comics to be presented that way on screen.

[oldmanwinters]

It's now an "important movie!"
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/spider-man-far-home-casts-trans-actors-marvel-163011021--abc-news-celebrities.html

[Leo656]

Eh, I used to really like the Spider-Man comics as a kid. Both Raimi's series and the "Amazing" films had their ups and downs, to me, but it always felt true to its source material in most of the really important ways. I recognized the spirit of the material even when things took a detour away from how they were in the comics.

The new ones seem like they've decided that the only things to keep are, he's in high school and he's quippy. I'd argue that Point 1 isn't even the least bit important, since 90% of all Spider-Man stories ever told are way post-graduation. It feels like they're afraid kids won't like Spider-Man unless he's a kid himself. And why is Aunt May a Supermodel?

Eh, not feeling these. Plus, the guy looks like he's 12 and it greatly annoys me.

[Andrew NDB]

Something felt off about Homecoming to me. I dug it mostly but... the "love story" wasn't much of a love story at all, and I thought that was an important component of the Raimi films.

And like, where's MJ -- the real MJ? Or Gwen Stacy? Are they saving them for, like, Spider-Man 4 or 5 or something? Just seems weird.

[Leo656]

It's extremely clear that Zendaya as "M.J." is the closest thing we're going to get. C'mon guy.

Gwen Stacy may as well be a literal Nazi, to the current social standards, what with her blonde hair and blue eyes. Casting someone like her in such a prominent role opposite another white actor is practically illegal in 2019. People on HuffPo would riot.

As for Mary Jane, 1. Her name is slang for weed, and super-hero movies are for kids. 2. Supermodels are guilty of promoting "oppressive and unrealistic beauty standards", so we can't have that in 2019 either. 3. ALWAYS race-flip the redhead. That's not even a new rule; see "West, Wallace" and "O'Neil, April", among others.

Keep dreamin', buddy. But it's okay; it's "still MJ" in all the important ways!

....Which, to Sony (and probably Disney), means "She has a J and an M as initials, and that's about it." :trazz:

[ZariusTwo]

Supermodels are guilty of promoting "oppressive and unrealistic beauty standards", so we can't have that in 2019 either.

Would they necessarily still have to be on the model kick? MJ's been many things in the comics...in the newspaper strip she's a theatre and screen actress, in Renew Your Vows she's a superhero mom and runs a fashion line and blog, in the post-OMD world she briefly worked for Tony Stark etc.

[Leo656]

In theory. But keep in mind, I never read any of those stories so her being a model is my only point of reference.

I always kind of enjoyed her longform character arc in the comics, evolving from vapid party-girl who's incredibly out of his league to more of an equal partner and fully-formed person whose been changed into a better person through her experiences after meeting Peter. I kinda feel like if you make her too awesome right away, you lose some of her arc.

I mean, you could just as easily substitute "actress" for "model" and tell the same stories I guess, but most actresses also model anyway, so that's just kinda splitting hairs.

But yeah I never heard about any of that other stuff. I think I jumped off in 1993.

[ZariusTwo]

But yeah I never heard about any of that other stuff. I think I jumped off in 1993.

Right around Peter's parents being robots and the Clone Saga? Yeah, so did about half the world's population.

[DarkFell]

The Clone Saga was a disaster that many Spidey fans would rather forget about.
Bringing back Norman Osborn from the dead was also lame, considering that Petey didn't really have a shortage of bad guys to trade punches with.

[MikeandRaph87]

Right around Peter's parents being robots and the Clone Saga? Yeah, so did about half the world's population.

I have read every Amazing title issue up to #389. We learn that Harry before he "died" set up Peter's parents only for him to lose them again after he reveals his identity to them. As soon as that story is over its all about the Clone Saga and even as great as the marriage to MJ is I cant be a regular reader after the first 31 years.

CBR has a great infrequent series where Brian Cornin chronicles Mary Jane Watson Parker's evolution as a character.
https://www.cbr.com/tag/if-her-hair-was-still-red/

[Leo656]

Right around Peter's parents being robots and the Clone Saga? Yeah, so did about half the world's population.

Yep, right after his parents showed up, shortly after Maximum Carnage I think? That's when I jumped off. I was only reading what my Dad bought, as far as those books go; I only ever bought DC stuff, but I'd look at his Spider-Man books too. When he stopped buying them that's where I stopped following it.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Man you missed some of M-J's (and Peter's) best years. 2001-2007 (aka JMS's run) were some great years for character development for both, imo. She branched out into theater and serious film acting (after years of being cast as hot-babe in distress in cheesy B movies) as well as encouraving Peter in his teaching career and even learning to help him in her own way. (She took down Man-Wolf with a fireplace poker at one point! And helped rescue several fellow actors and her director from Swarm.) And yes, there is the post-BND stuff about working for Stark. She has become a much more nuanced character in last two decades, mostly due to JMS attempting to make her a bigger part of Peter's life. (Until the unmarriage mandate from Quesada, that is....)

[Leo656]

I misspoke. I actually picked up all of "The Other" storyline, when that was the thing everyone was talking about. I dug the covers with all the variant outfits, so I was intrigued enough to take a look.

The covers were the best part. The story, I thought was dumb. Haven't picked one up since.

Spider-Man's life sucks, and it's exhausting to read. The character, I like fine, but at some point it was apparently decreed that happiness isn't part of the game plan for Peter Parker, and I'm not too interested in following that. Batman's bad enough, with that.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

That story was very much the culmination of a much larger narrative, and makes little sense out of context of that larger story. Like, it had a LOT to do with Morlun, Ezekiel, the Spider totem stuff, and Peter's past/future. There was a LOT that was packed into that arc that was seeded throughout the entire run previously. I actually enjoyed it for how huge the story really was, and the impact it had on him and his world. And that ending.... (He ATE Morlun's HEAD?!! :teek: )

[Leo656]

Understood, but even allowing for all of that, it very much wasn't for me. By the time I got to the part where Giant Spider Peter died giving birth to Human Peter, a voice inside my head was saying, "This is another one of those stories that no future writer is ever going to reference again, simply because it's far too convoluted and ridiculous, and impossible to explain to anyone who hasn't read it." I don't know if they ever actually did reference it, but that's what my gut was saying.

Since the ultimate point of it just seemed to be, "How can we give him organic Web Shooters like the Raimi movies?", anyways... CLEARLY they could have found a better way than that, no? Or better yet, not bothered, since most people didn't like organic webs anyways? Seemed like a lot of bad (or at least overcomplicated) story for a really pointless payoff. There's always the possibility that I may have liked it more in full context, but I strongly doubt I would have felt dramatically differently, because I'm actually being super polite about how the ending made me feel.

I'm generally fine with sprawling, "epic" stories, but a lot of my enjoyment hangs on what it was all building to. That story, to me, ended with a popcorn fart. On the other hand, one of the last Spider-Man stories I read before jumping off was "Maximum Carnage", which I would not cite as "good", but I had a lot more fun reading it and when it was over I wasn't physically angry at it.

Plus, that video game? Straight-up ballin'! That was my jam on SNES, back in the day. :tcool:

[Galactus]

My biggest problem with Homecoming was the comic book supporting cast either were not present or not as they are supposed to look due to a need for diversity in the cast. I don't know if I am wrong for wanting Mary Jane present as a Caucasian redhead, Betty Brant to have short brown hair, Ned Leeds not to really be friends with Peter but a blonde colleague. I like to see the characters as they are in the comics to be presented that way on screen.

The characters on screen were presented on screen like they were in the comics...Miles Morales's comics.

They took a few things from then current Peter Parker comics but the majority of Peter's world was basically ported over from Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-Man. I suppose I should be upset that they took Miles Morales story and made it Peter Parker's but things worked out, Miles has a hit movie of his own now and Miles will almost assuredly get a live action version probably in the MCU.

That being said I wonder how they will handle Miles's world since they already gave it to Peter. Will Spider-Man having a Korean best friend/confidante that loves lego be a constant for every Spider-Man now?

Eh, I used to really like the Spider-Man comics as a kid. Both Raimi's series and the "Amazing" films had their ups and downs, to me, but it always felt true to its source material in most of the really important ways. I recognized the spirit of the material even when things took a detour away from how they were in the comics.

The new ones seem like they've decided that the only things to keep are, he's in high school and he's quippy. I'd argue that Point 1 isn't even the least bit important, since 90% of all Spider-Man stories ever told are way post-graduation. It feels like they're afraid kids won't like Spider-Man unless he's a kid himself. And why is Aunt May a Supermodel?

Eh, not feeling these. Plus, the guy looks like he's 12 and it greatly annoys me.

As long as I've been reading Spider-Man there's always been attempt to try and make him appear ever young hence why he always seems to re-enroll in college which he has again recently. The fact that he was a teenage superhero was a big of the characters initial appeal, sure, he's moved beyond that but there's nothing wrong with going back to that. Both previous movie series fast tracked the high school parts. Also nothing wrong with an actor playing a teenager actually looking like one.

I should point out that none of the Spider-Man movies have 100% nailed the character for me but Homecoming but still felt enough like Spider-Man to me, certainly moreso than Amazing Spider-Man ever did but I suppose that depends on what aspects of the Spider-Man mythos you think are essential to the character. For me what the MCU Spider-Man lacks is the tragic lesson of responsibility (Amazing Spider-Man didn't properly do it either) but blame all the people who moaned incessantly about not rehashing the origin again or overly relying on classic stories.

It's extremely clear that Zendaya as "M.J." is the closest thing we're going to get. C'mon guy.

To be honest the vast majority of people don't know one Spider-Man love interest from another. Mary Jane is probably the most well known but still she's one of many.

I think the Homecoming guys played the whole MJ thing by ear. I think they wanted Zendaya to play Mary Jane but didn't know how people would react so they made it ambiguous. If it didn't work out then they could brush it off that she's just a friend and possibly introduce the "real" Mary Jane or other love interest at some point but when it turned out that the vast majority of the audience didn't lose their **** that that the implied definitive romance for MCU Peter would be mixed race it looks like they are running with it.

No one seemed to care when Nolan mixed up several different Batman love interests to make the quasi original character Rachel Dawes. It's not a big deal for people.

Gwen Stacy may as well be a literal Nazi, to the current social standards, what with her blonde hair and blue eyes. Casting someone like her in such a prominent role opposite another white actor is practically illegal in 2019. People on HuffPo would riot.

Bull****

They used Gwen as the love interest in the Amazing Spider-Man only a handful of years ago and a different version of Gwen had a prominent role in Spider-Verse and they're talking of a spin off for her.

The reason we wont see Gwen is that the character is uninteresting. The only interesting thing about her is she died. That's one of the main flaws with the Amazing movie series; both comic book fans and anyone who ever clicked on article about that movie series knew how important Gwen Stacy dying is to the Spider-Man mythos. It made the whole thing kinda boring when you're just waiting for the moment she is killed.

This was all the worse since Emma Stone's interpretation was pretty good. So much so that Marvel tried to retroactively make the comic Gwen more like the movie version via flashback stories and then it was the basis for Spider-Gwen's initial characterization.

As for Mary Jane, 1. Her name is slang for weed, and super-hero movies are for kids. 2. Supermodels are guilty of promoting "oppressive and unrealistic beauty standards", so we can't have that in 2019 either. 3. ALWAYS race-flip the redhead. That's not even a new rule; see "West, Wallace" and "O'Neil, April", among others.

Keep dreamin', buddy. But it's okay; it's "still MJ" in all the important ways!

....Which, to Sony (and probably Disney), means "She has a J and an M as initials, and that's about it." :trazz:

None of this makes any sense.

If Hollywood is apparently so scared of using the "real" Mary Jane because her nickname is ubiquitous slang term for marijuana then why on earth have they set up a situation where the new version can't be called anything other than said nickname?

Also Zendaya is still way out of Peter's league looks wise. Hollywood is built on unrealistic beauty standards that has not changed and probably never will. Even ugly characters still have to look sexy underneath.

Also if race bending is pervasive on media why the **** did we have to deal with the Eric Sacks bull****?

Understood, but even allowing for all of that, it very much wasn't for me. By the time I got to the part where Giant Spider Peter died giving birth to Human Peter, a voice inside my head was saying, "This is another one of those stories that no future writer is ever going to reference again, simply because it's far too convoluted and ridiculous, and impossible to explain to anyone who hasn't read it." I don't know if they ever actually did reference it, but that's what my gut was saying.

Since the ultimate point of it just seemed to be, "How can we give him organic Web Shooters like the Raimi movies?", anyways... CLEARLY they could have found a better way than that, no? Or better yet, not bothered, since most people didn't like organic webs anyways? Seemed like a lot of bad (or at least overcomplicated) story for a really pointless payoff. There's always the possibility that I may have liked it more in full context, but I strongly doubt I would have felt dramatically differently, because I'm actually being super polite about how the ending made me feel.

I'm generally fine with sprawling, "epic" stories, but a lot of my enjoyment hangs on what it was all building to. That story, to me, ended with a popcorn fart. On the other hand, one of the last Spider-Man stories I read before jumping off was "Maximum Carnage", which I would not cite as "good", but I had a lot more fun reading it and when it was over I wasn't physically angry at it.

I don't think you could have picked a worse story to sample JMS Spider-Man.

Most people including myself to rate his first few years on the book paired with John Romita Jr. Their over arcing story ended with a purposefully ambiguous note; was Spider-Man actually a fated totem for some Spider God or was the whole thing an elaborate plan to fool him into believing that...it made more sense in the book and had good character work in between the bigger stories honest.

The Other was basically editorially mandated as a sequel given how well received the original Morun arc was and how well it sold. Of course the whole thing completely undermines the ending of his earlier story and I don't think anyone's heart was in it. Even using the story as a means to give him organic web shooters was a bitch since most writers just forgot about that and had him using mechanical ones pretty sharpish.

[Leo656]

I'm always a little bit surprised at when it is or isn't obvious to people when I'm absolutely serious versus when I'm (mostly) being a smartass. I'm not going to reveal which blocks of quoted text were which, but I'm sure that astute observers can figure it out. First prize gets one of those off-brand 25-cent bags of chips they sell at the pizza place. Y'know, the bags with like three solid chips and a bunch of crumbs that are way past stale, and you can only find them at that ONE specific pizza place? But they smell AMAZING and are thus a mandatory part of the entire "pizza place Experience"? The ones they for some reason keep hanging on the wall on a chain of clips behind the counter so you have to explicitly demean yourself by asking the guy, "Yeah, lemme get a bag of them sh*tty chips, too"?

First one to determine which of the above quotes are serious in nature and which ones are "Oh, YOU!" gets ONE (1) bag of those. My gift, from me to you.
-------------------

As for JMS, I'unno. As I recall, his He-Man episodes were hit-or-miss with me as well. And I care way more about He-Man than I do about Spider-Man. I think he's just a mixed bag in general. Not a huge fan, not a hater. Just "eh".

Actually, come to think of it, his Superman run was extremely underwhelming, too. Maybe I just don't like him in general and he just occasionally manages to impress me. That's what I'm starting to think.

[Galactus]

I'm always a little bit surprised at when it is or isn't obvious to people when I'm absolutely serious versus when I'm (mostly) being a smartass. I'm not going to reveal which blocks of quoted text were which, but I'm sure that astute observers can figure it out. First prize gets one of those off-brand 25-cent bags of chips they sell at the pizza place. Y'know, the bags with like three solid chips and a bunch of crumbs that are way past stale, and you can only find them at that ONE specific pizza place? But they smell AMAZING and are thus a mandatory part of the entire "pizza place Experience"? The ones they for some reason keep hanging on the wall on a chain of clips behind the counter so you have to explicitly demean yourself by asking the guy, "Yeah, lemme get a bag of them sh*tty chips, too"?

Yeah I get that but tongue in cheek or not some things have become harder to pass by since a growing number of idiots started to make those arguments for 100% real.

As for JMS, I'unno. As I recall, his He-Man episodes were hit-or-miss with me as well. And I care way more about He-Man than I do about Spider-Man. I think he's just a mixed bag in general. Not a huge fan, not a hater. Just "eh".

Actually, come to think of it, his Superman run was extremely underwhelming, too. Maybe I just don't like him in general and he just occasionally manages to impress me. That's what I'm starting to think.

If he's not your cup of tea fair enough although I'm with ya on Superman Grounded.

[Leo656]

Do I think those conversations actually happened behind closed doors? Yes, those are absolutely factors that studio executives place importance on in 2019, even if they didn't matter a few years ago. A lot has changed very quickly in recent years, and movie studio executives are very silly people.

Do I think that those conversations are 100% of the reason for the choices they've made? No, it's always a lot more complicated than that.

"Grounded" suuuuuuuucked.

[Coola Yagami]

They used Gwen as the love interest in the Amazing Spider-Man only a handful of years ago and a different version of Gwen had a prominent role in Spider-Verse and they're talking of a spin off for her.



You missed the point entirely. The point being made was that end of 2018/2019 being white is demonized and diversity is heavily enforced, thus the powers that be want to avoid a white Peter Parker with a white Mary Jane. The Amazing Spider-Man movies were made before the SJW nonsense got to this point. And while Gwen is in Spider-Verse, her kinda/sorta but not really love interest is Miles, still avoiding a white couple.

IDK, while it is true that a lot of couples are mixed nowadays, there are still lots of good ol' fashioned same-race couples. Hollywood is currently hellbent on showing that 90% of couples are race-mixed when it's roughly 50/50 or 60/40 in real life.

[Leolead]

The diversity isn't the problem for me. Queens is the most racially diverse borough in New York City. It makes sense that Peter's classmates look like the New York of today and not the New York of 1962. The problem lies in the personality changes. Ned Leeds could have been Asian and still been Ned Leeds (SSM did this with Ned Lee), he didn't have to be Ganke. Flash Thompson could have been Latino and still been Eugune "Flash" Thompson: the Stark quarterback on the HS football team. Zendaya COULD have played Mary Jane Watson as she is in the comics and gave us the most faithful version to date. Zendaya basically Is real-life 616 MJ anyway -- they wasted that opportunity on Michelle. And instead of letting her be her own character with no ties to MJ, they are calling her MJ now. Thus blocking any possiblity that the real MJ will ever show in the MCU. Aunt May could be younger (as she is in Ultimate) but she doesn't have to be reduced to nothing but a punchline about being hot.

That's the problem. Not interracial couples or diversity :trolleye:

[ZariusTwo]

I have read every Amazing title issue up to #389. We learn that Harry before he "died" set up Peter's parents only for him to lose them again after he reveals his identity to them. As soon as that story is over its all about the Clone Saga and even as great as the marriage to MJ is I cant be a regular reader after the first 31 years.

CBR has a great infrequent series where Brian Cornin chronicles Mary Jane Watson Parker's evolution as a character.
https://www.cbr.com/tag/if-her-hair-was-still-red/

I've read those articles, they're a great way of summarising MJ's life in easy steps.

Have you read 2009's Clone Saga mini-series? It kind of wraps up Peter's story while leaving it open ended, it's perfect for fans who only want to follow those first 31 years.

I don't consider anything past the Clone Saga as canon personally, I jumped on to Spider-Girl in 1998 and followed it through to it's final cancellation in 2010. That's also a pretty good epilogue to Spidey's life. It was almost ruined when Slott had him killed, but he was recently resurrected and became The Other last year.

Spider-Man's life sucks, and it's exhausting to read. The character, I like fine, but at some point it was apparently decreed that happiness isn't part of the game plan for Peter Parker, and I'm not too interested in following that. Batman's bad enough, with that.

If you follow the lead canon, yeah Peter's had it rough, but Marvel love throwing alternate versions a bone. The daily newspaper strip is probably the most consistently happy version of Peter out there...the only real drawback is he's an utterly useless hero who needs bailing out from either his wife or guest-heroes in every adventure...but at the same time you're glad Mary Jane is so upbeat and supportful of him, and there's refreshingly no real drama between them

[Autbot_Benz]

Add a transgender actor to the diverse cast of Characters in this movie

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/far_from_home/spider-man-far-from-home-adds-newcomer-zach-barack-first-transgender-actor-to-be-cast-in-a-superhero-movie-a165911

Barack now becomes the first transgender actor to be cast in a big-budget superhero movie and opens the door for a more inclusive landscape moving forward.

[AquaParade]

Trying really hard to avoid spoilers. Is this one of those trailers that spells out the whole three act structure with bullet points?

[Leo656]

I used to think I was weird, because I genuinely don't give a crap about spoilers, find people who get genuinely upset about them to be insufferable, at times (anyone who cusses people out over it is a baby), and have almost always enjoyed movies just as much, if not more, when I already knew what to expect.

Then I read a bunch of studies that conclusively prove that 1. People actually hate being surprised, 2. People nonetheless love to insist that they're the minority who do like being surprised, and 3. People who go out of their way to avoid "spoilers" are almost always cranky about the entertainment they consume, for not being what they expected or wanted. So NOW I know that I'm actually the one doing it properly, while everyone else sets themselves up for disappointment. :lol: :trazz:

I mean, it's whatever, I just think it's weird how seriously people take stuff like that, to the point where they won't even watch a trailer. What if the trailer looks like sh*t to you personally, and watching it would potentially save you from an unpleasant experience? Like, I ALMOST went to see "Homecoming", but then I watched the trailers, got a bad feeling, read the spoilers and decided (strongly) that what they were selling wasn't what I wanted. I could have gone out, blown money, and come home annoyed, but because the trailers already gave me a heads up, and I'm not "afraid" of spoilers, I was "saved" from a crummy night out. There's a strong chance I won't ever see it, but I'm genuinely fine with that.

((Shrugs)) I'unno. I'm frugal. Spoil everything, I say, so I know what I shouldn't bother wasting money on. The further in advance, the better. :trazz:

"Ragnarok" was another one. "Answer The Call". Every "Transformers" movie after the first one. Thank GOD I watched those trailers, and read those spoilers. I can say with 100% certainty that I'm a better person for not seeing those movies in theaters (or at all). But in every case, there was at least an outside chance I was gonna, until some noble soul decided to save me from it. Bless them.

I'unno. Trailers are advertising. You're supposed to watch 'em. It's like someone offers you a free sample of wedding cake, but you'd rather wait until the wedding so it's a surprise. Free cake! I'unno.

What's really annoying is when I'm trying to get answers out of my "No Spoilers" friends, and they're being obstinate. "Nah man, I don't wanna ruin it." "I am plainly begging you to." "Nah, man, you'll see, it's too cool to spoil." "Well I heard a rumor, and it actually sounds kinda dumb, so just tell me so I know." "Nah man, I hate spoilers." "I love 'em. Now tell me what I want to know before I strangle you with garrote wire."

Good people, but piss poor at following simple directions. :trazz:

[AquaParade]

I used to think I was weird, because I genuinely don't give a crap about spoilers, find people who get genuinely upset about them to be insufferable, at times (anyone who cusses people out over it is a baby), and have almost always enjoyed movies just as much, if not more, when I already knew what to expect.

Then I read a bunch of studies that conclusively prove that 1. People actually hate being surprised, 2. People nonetheless love to insist that they're the minority who do like being surprised, and 3. People who go out of their way to avoid "spoilers" are almost always cranky about the entertainment they consume, for not being what they expected or wanted. So NOW I know that I'm actually the one doing it properly, while everyone else sets themselves up for disappointment. :lol: :trazz:

I mean, it's whatever, I just think it's weird how seriously people take stuff like that, to the point where they won't even watch a trailer. What if the trailer looks like sh*t to you personally, and watching it would potentially save you from an unpleasant experience? Like, I ALMOST went to see "Homecoming", but then I watched the trailers, got a bad feeling, read the spoilers and decided (strongly) that what they were selling wasn't what I wanted. I could have gone out, blown money, and come home annoyed, but because the trailers already gave me a heads up, and I'm not "afraid" of spoilers, I was "saved" from a crummy night out. There's a strong chance I won't ever see it, but I'm genuinely fine with that.

((Shrugs)) I'unno. I'm frugal. Spoil everything, I say, so I know what I shouldn't bother wasting money on. The further in advance, the better. :trazz:

"Ragnarok" was another one. "Answer The Call". Every "Transformers" movie after the first one. Thank GOD I watched those trailers, and read those spoilers. I can say with 100% certainty that I'm a better person for not seeing those movies in theaters (or at all). But in every case, there was at least an outside chance I was gonna, until some noble soul decided to save me from it. Bless them.

I'unno. Trailers are advertising. You're supposed to watch 'em. It's like someone offers you a free sample of wedding cake, but you'd rather wait until the wedding so it's a surprise. Free cake! I'unno.

What's really annoying is when I'm trying to get answers out of my "No Spoilers" friends, and they're being obstinate. "Nah man, I don't wanna ruin it." "I am plainly begging you to." "Nah, man, you'll see, it's too cool to spoil." "Well I heard a rumor, and it actually sounds kinda dumb, so just tell me so I know." "Nah man, I hate spoilers." "I love 'em. Now tell me what I want to know before I strangle you with garrote wire."

Good people, but piss poor at following simple directions. :trazz:

No study can tell me that I dont enjoy going to a movie and being surprised.

That said, I agree with a lot of those points, and yes, I often enjoy a movie more after I've seen it multiple times and the expectations have been washed away by the appreciation for the actual craft of the movie itself.

I was so hyped for Infinity War, that i felt disappointed after my first viewing, because, inevitably, it wasn't everything I wanted it to be. It was something else. Now that I've come to terms with what it is, I enjoy the hell out of it.

I've never been one to throw a fit about it and I agree the spoiler-culture has gotten out of hand.

But there's nothing wrong with looking forward to going into a movie and being surprised. I laugh at the notion that there's a "right or wrong" or "proper" to go about it, when it comes to the personal side of things.

As for the cake analogy, it is more like you can have a few bites of your piece of the cake now or save your whole slice for the wedding. Eh, I'll probably wait and save my whole slice for the wedding, unless it's just a very tiny sample size for now.

The only small thing that annoys me is when you hear someone spoil something and then go "oh, spoilers" right after. Just shut up and people may not even notice.

I also think if you get spoiled while browsing the net and have a fit, you're probably acting like a baby, if you're hanging around the discussion anyway.

But yeah, end of the day, nothing wrong with enjoying a surprise.

[Leo656]

Absolutely not, but some people act like being surprised is the entire point and that the whole experience is "ruined" if they find out too much. That kinda thing is silly, to me. Like, the internet is a thing, spoilers are unavoidable unless a person just doesn't go online, watch TV, or leave the house until the movie is out. And that seems to be a lot of hassle.

I've read about people going ballistic because it's "confirmed" that Spider-Man isn't dead anymore after the next Avengers movie. Like "No sh*t". :lol: Those kinda people drive me nuts. Like, no, it was never a certainty... Just a 99% chance. :roll:

The phenomenon you described is extremely accurate with regard to me. I generally enjoy any given movie a lot more on the tenth viewing than the first, both due to constantly finding new layers and also anticipating the stuff I already liked previously.

Surprises can be fun but for me they're hardly mandatory. Sometimes, I actually think some movies could have done less work to be secretive and stuff, and more to just be better. Like "Dark Knight Rises". It's alright, but the whole second half was twist over twist to the point of being ridiculous. Entirely too much of that movie relied on Shyamalan-ing the audience when it should have just told a better story.

[AquaParade]

Absolutely not, but some people act like being surprised is the entire point and that the whole experience is "ruined" if they find out too much. That kinda thing is silly, to me. Like, the internet is a thing, spoilers are unavoidable unless a person just doesn't go online, watch TV, or leave the house until the movie is out. And that seems to be a lot of hassle.

I've read about people going ballistic because it's "confirmed" that Spider-Man isn't dead anymore after the next Avengers movie. Like "No sh*t". :lol: Those kinda people drive me nuts. Like, no, it was never a certainty... Just a 99% chance. :roll:

The phenomenon you described is extremely accurate with regard to me. I generally enjoy any given movie a lot more on the tenth viewing than the first, both due to constantly finding new layers and also anticipating the stuff I already liked previously.

Surprises can be fun but for me they're hardly mandatory. Sometimes, I actually think some movies could have done less work to be secretive and stuff, and more to just be better. Like "Dark Knight Rises". It's alright, but the whole second half was twist over twist to the point of being ridiculous. Entirely too much of that movie relied on Shyamalan-ing the audience when it should have just told a better story.

Gotcha. Some people out there def get out of hand with it. If you are worried enough to throw a fit when someone brings up something they saw in a trailer, than just stay out of the conversation rather than try and control it to such a fine point.

The epiphany for me was that the surprise factor and enjoyment of the craft can actually be two separate entities. Will the surprise effect how much I truly enjoy the film?
No.
But do I like to enjoy surprises?
Yes.

They don't have to necessarily mix, in my mind.

[Candy Kappa]

There's also a huge difference between Spider-Man "confirmed" alive post-endgame cause he's getting a new movie versus someone screaming "Snape kills Dumbledore!" At the queue waiting to buy the book.

[Leo656]

True story. I still wouldn't threaten anyone with violence over it though. Facebook is a scary place.

Spoilers are something of an "equalizer" for me. If I see two different films, both fully spoiled, I know that whatever feelings I have about either are "Real"; I'm not overreacting to how clever they tried to be, or how they "got me", or even all the hype that comes with being in a packed theater opening night. I'm simply reacting to the material being presented and whether or not I enjoyed it, not letting any of that data be skewed by intangible forces. I am a fan of many things, but I strive to be objective above all else.

Like, I went into Dark Knight Rises completely cold, and was gushing about it to an embarrassing degree after seeing it in a packed house on opening night. Then I saw it a few more times and noticed that, when you know all the "surprises" and aren't flying on excitement, it's really a pretty absurd movie. Sixth Sense is another good example. Some Good Movies are only "Great" the first time, when they can "trick" you, and afterwards aren't anywhere near as entertaining because too much of the story relied on surprises. Which implicitly means, if the surprise is MOST of the fun, the story isn't very good.

I know many people would disagree with that. Most of them are currently working on the next "Saw" movie, so... Y'know. :lol:

But yeah, spoil or not but don't be a crybaby either way, would be my general advice to people. :)

[ZariusTwo]

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[Jester]

Fury makes this trailer for me.

"But I'm a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man..."
"&!%(# please, you've been to space!"

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's criminal how underused Nick Fury has been in the MCU since Avengers 2.

I get not having him in Civil War, but reducing him to an end credit scene in Avengers 3? No presence at all in Black Panther? Nothing in Ant-Man and the Wasp? Just kicking it at the funeral in Avengers 4?

This is MotherFvcking Samuel L Jackson, Feige. Why's he just prequel costarring with Captain Marvel!?

[Jester]

Yeah, seems like when Cap 2 blew up SHIELD they forgot about him and Hill for the most part.

[Autbot_Benz]

It's criminal how underused Nick Fury has been in the MCU since Avengers 2.

I get not having him in Civil War, but reducing him to an end credit scene in Avengers 3? No presence at all in Black Panther? Nothing in Ant-Man and the Wasp? Just kicking it at the funeral in Avengers 4?

This is MotherFvcking Samuel L Jackson, Feige. Why's he just prequel costarring with Captain Marvel!?

good point if Black Widow can get his own movie why not Nick Fury

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, seems like when Cap 2 blew up SHIELD they forgot about him and Hill for the most part.

Both of them showed up in Agents of SHIELD a couple of times but... yeah. Weird.

I think the general idea is that they felt like Fury was the "training wheels" on the Avengers then once they were established... no need for them. But that's dumb.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Both of them showed up in Agents of SHIELD a couple of times but... yeah. Weird.

I think the general idea is that they felt like Fury was the "training wheels" on the Avengers then once they were established... no need for them. But that's dumb.

Absolutely dumb. Although I get his absence in Civil War... if Fury throws his support to either Cap or Tony, that kinda undercuts the other side's validity. "Oh, Avengers Dad is siding with my brother... well $hit, guess that puts me in the wrong."

Not that it couldn't be made to work, or have Fury serve in some critical role. After all, Cap's had no problem going up against Fury in the past. :tgrin:

good point if Black Widow can get his own movie why not Nick Fury

At least we can (hopefully) count on seeing Fury and Hawkeye in the Black Widow movie.

[AquaParade]

As much as I love seeing Spidey in the MCU, and appreciate the way Marvel has incorporated him into the fold, I still feel like he hasn't had a big, tragic Spider-Man moment in the MCU.

I've never actually felt like this Peter has suffered, which to me, is a key ingredient of Spider-Man. I know I shouldn't wish for this film to be something it's not, especially when it looks to be so much fun, but I am hoping they can finally put the MCU Peter Parker "through the ringer" this time around.

[Jester]

Any idea how old Donald Glover's character's nephew was in Homecoming? I watched a video that mentioned an alternate Mysterio's role in the Spider-Men miniseries and it eluded to the fact that Glover is Miles Morales uncle...so if Miles didn't get dusted in the snap, he'd be 5 years older...maybe old enough to be a 2nd Spidey soon.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Any idea how old Donald Glover's character's nephew was in Homecoming? I watched a video that mentioned an alternate Mysterio's role in the Spider-Men miniseries and it eluded to the fact that Glover is Miles Morales uncle...so if Miles didn't get dusted in the snap, he'd be 5 years older...maybe old enough to be a 2nd Spidey soon.

He's only ever referenced, if I remember correctly. Implied to be youngish. Good idea... that would be a good way to age up Morales.

[Jester]

Add a transgender actor to the diverse cast of Characters in this movie

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/far_from_home/spider-man-far-from-home-adds-newcomer-zach-barack-first-transgender-actor-to-be-cast-in-a-superhero-movie-a165911

Barack now becomes the first transgender actor to be cast in a big-budget superhero movie and opens the door for a more inclusive landscape moving forward.
I guess this kid came out as trans AFTER being in Homecoming so she doesn't count...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josie_Totah

I wonder if Zach has a bigger role.

[ProphetofGanja]

Well that trailer was pretty dang good, I'm hyped. Very curious to see all the fallout of Endgame

It's criminal how underused Nick Fury has been in the MCU since Avengers 2.

I get not having him in Civil War, but reducing him to an end credit scene in Avengers 3? No presence at all in Black Panther? Nothing in Ant-Man and the Wasp? Just kicking it at the funeral in Avengers 4?

This is MotherFvcking Samuel L Jackson, Feige. Why's he just prequel costarring with Captain Marvel!?

I'm hoping Jackson comes back in a big way now to pave the way at the start of Phase 4 or whatever this period of MCU films is gonna be called

Good idea... that would be a good way to age up Morales.

Agreed. It would be cool if we get Miles Morales in the MCU sooner than we expected

[AquaParade]

I'm having a difficult time holding on to this version of Peter while trying to process all the crap he has been through. I really want to find mental peace with this, but the fact that Peter has been Spider-Man for so little time and has had his reality bent out of shape to such an extent, well, it's sort of ****ing with my perception of the character.

I'm hoping I can get this all sorted out mentally.
I like cosmic mind-bending storytelling, so why does it throw such a wrench in my mind, when it comes to Spidey? Maybe because I expect him to be more relatable? At least early on in his "career"? Perhaps, I am just having trouble trying to frame his story or character arc.
Part of me realizes I should be excited to get something fresh, that I wouldn't have expected, but I also wonder if it's stretching my stagnated and tired (?) idea of what Spider-Man should be

I can't really pinpoint why I am hung up on it, but does anyone else share these feelings? Regardless, I've got so much love for this version of Spider-Man.

[Redeemer]

I'm having a difficult time holding on to this version of Peter while trying to process all the crap he has been through. I really want to find mental peace with this, but the fact that Peter has been Spider-Man for so little time and has had his reality bent out of shape to such an extent, well, it's sort of ****ing with my perception of the character.

I'm hoping I can get this all sorted out mentally.
I like cosmic mind-bending storytelling, so why does it throw such a wrench in my mind, when it comes to Spidey? Maybe because I expect him to be more relatable? At least early on in his "career"? Perhaps, I am just having trouble trying to frame his story or character arc.
Part of me realizes I should be excited to get something fresh, that I wouldn't have expected, but I also wonder if it's stretching my stagnated and tired (?) idea of what Spider-Man should be

I can't really pinpoint why I am hung up on it, but does anyone else share these feelings? Regardless, I've got so much love for this version of Spider-Man.

I completely understand and empathize with you. Characters need to be grounded some more than others. Spider-man is not really a character who deals with such cosmic/sci-fi stories. I have felt like this with the TMNT comic in the past especially recently with the over-arching pantheon storyline. Or also TMNT 2K3 season 5 with the Ninja Tribunal. Sometimes characters feel out of place within their own stories.

[Andrew NDB]

Spider-man is not really a character who deals with such cosmic/sci-fi stories.

Sure he has. "Secret Wars" comes to mind right away, how he gets the Venom symbiote to begin with.

I have felt like this with the TMNT comic in the past

Nonsense. One of the biggest things I like about the TMNT is their ability to transcend genres. i.e., a bit of urban ninja stuff over here, some sorcery stuff over there, a time travel story, an adventure in space, etc.. All of it works.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Nonsense. One of the biggest things I like about the TMNT is their ability to transcend genres. i.e., a bit of urban ninja stuff over here, some sorcery stuff over there, a time travel story, an adventure in space, etc.. All of it works.

To me, the Turtles in space arc in Mirage Vol 1 was probably my favorite part of the series

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Nonsense. One of the biggest things I like about the TMNT is their ability to transcend genres. i.e., a bit of urban ninja stuff over here, some sorcery stuff over there, a time travel story, an adventure in space, etc.. All of it works.

I think what he meant was that it's not the setting per se, but more the SCOPE.

TMNT don't defend the universe or the galaxy or all of humanity. They just get caught up in $hit, whether it's a ninja clan blood feud, or two governments going to war in space, or palling around with a fugitive android, or some mystic $hit, or whatever.

Send the TMNT to space? Absolutely. Send the TMNT to space to fight Thanos or Galactus? That's more than likely going too far. I think it is, at any rate.

They're not superheroes.

[AquaParade]

I think what he meant was that it's not the setting per se, but more the SCOPE.

TMNT don't defend the universe or the galaxy or all of humanity. They just get caught up in $hit, whether it's a ninja clan blood feud, or two governments going to war in space, or palling around with a fugitive android, or some mystic $hit, or whatever.

Send the TMNT to space? Absolutely. Send the TMNT to space to fight Thanos or Galactus? That's more than likely going too far. I think it is, at any rate.

They're not superheroes.

Yeah, I was wrestling with both of their points, but I think you nailed it.

But for Spider-Man, I don't know. I think he fits well into all types of stories, but I think I am stuck on the idea that his early years should be cemented down with more grounded stories. Trying to shake that limited view of the character from my mind though.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, I was wrestling with both of their points, but I think you nailed it.

But for Spider-Man, I don't know. I think he fits well into all types of stories, but I think I am stuck on the idea that his early years should be cemented down with more grounded stories. Trying to shake that limited view of the character from my mind though.

True, but this is gonna be an interesting take to see how he reacts back to being safe on Earth after being stuck in space for a while. It's the kind of comic books madness Toby and Andrew didn't get to relate with.

[ZariusTwo]

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[Jester]

Man...they are really setting up Mysterio to be "New Tony"...

I hope Peter's trust in him isn't misplaced...

[ZariusTwo]

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Also, post-credit scenes have been revealed

JK Simmons returns as J. Jonah Jameson. Spidey is labelled a menace by the Bugle

Fury and Maria Hill are revealed to be Skrulls, they're covering for the real Fury who's out in space

[Andrew NDB]

JK Simmons returns as J. Jonah Jameson. Spidey is labelled a menace by the Bugle

Fury and Maria Hill are revealed to be Skrulls, they're covering for the real Fury who's out in space

You're sh*tting me. Is this for real? Both of those sound AWESOME!

[ZariusTwo]

You're sh*tting me. Is this for real? Both of those sound AWESOME!

I've seen it verified on various spoiler gossip sites, and multiple accounts from people on reddit and twitter, additionally

Peter is outed publicly as Spider-Man in the post-credits, a final revenge reportedly from Mysterio after he's defeated

[Andrew NDB]

Peter is outed publicly as Spider-Man in the post-credits, a final revenge reportedly from Mysterio after he's defeated

What? That's dumb. They really want to strip away his secret identity this early into... everything? And why bring in Jonah if everyone knows who Peter is?

[ZariusTwo]

What? That's dumb. They really want to strip away his secret identity this early into... everything? And why bring in Jonah if everyone knows who Peter is?

We don't know if Simmons is committed to a third one as Jonah or not, this might be his only appearance, and the idea of spending the big Jameson reveal on him exposing Peter is something that hasn't been attempted before in any Spidey medium

[Jester]

Yeah those sound ridiculous. I believe it when I see them...

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Well, this DOES tie in to the comics during JMS's run, where Peter publicly came out just before the Civil War rift and the whole One More Day debacle. They might be adapting that arc, though I have to say it is a bit misplaced, if so. His public outting as Spidey and siding officially with Tony on the SHRA was a big part of what caused his Aunt to get shot and his eventual deal with Mephisto to undo it all. So, not entirely implausible, but it seems a bit out of place as things stand right now in the MCU. If they really wanted to go that route with him, they should have introduced him much sooner and used his public announcement as part of what sets off the Accords and Civil War. But that's just my two cents.

[Redeemer]

Sure he has. "Secret Wars" comes to mind right away, how he gets the Venom symbiote to begin with.



Nonsense. One of the biggest things I like about the TMNT is their ability to transcend genres. i.e., a bit of urban ninja stuff over here, some sorcery stuff over there, a time travel story, an adventure in space, etc.. All of it works.

Yes I know Spider-man has done cosmic quest/fights in the past, but isn't like 90% of his stories self contained to New York??? You know friendly neighborhood spider-man. :lol: I could be wrong I am not a spider-man savant.

I think what he meant was that it's not the setting per se, but more the SCOPE.

TMNT don't defend the universe or the galaxy or all of humanity. They just get caught up in $hit, whether it's a ninja clan blood feud, or two governments going to war in space, or palling around with a fugitive android, or some mystic $hit, or whatever.

Send the TMNT to space? Absolutely. Send the TMNT to space to fight Thanos or Galactus? That's more than likely going too far. I think it is, at any rate.

They're not superheroes.

This.....this exactly. To me TMNT are more anti-heroes than actual heroes. They very rarely act like super-heroes and save the day for the sake of good and justice.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Also, post-credit scenes have been revealed

JK Simmons returns as J. Jonah Jameson. Spidey is labelled a menace by the Bugle

Fury and Maria Hill are revealed to be Skrulls, they're covering for the real Fury who's out in space

I'd be good with both of those, especially the latter.

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah those sound ridiculous. I believe it when I see them...

How do they sound ridiculous exactly? They fit the MCU's tendency to do things their way to a tea.

This is the same company behind Obese Surfer Thor remember. THAT was ridiculous, so par the course.

Well, this DOES tie in to the comics during JMS's run, where Peter publicly came out just before the Civil War rift and the whole One More Day debacle. They might be adapting that arc, though I have to say it is a bit misplaced, if so. His public outting as Spidey and siding officially with Tony on the SHRA was a big part of what caused his Aunt to get shot and his eventual deal with Mephisto to undo it all. So, not entirely implausible, but it seems a bit out of place as things stand right now in the MCU. If they really wanted to go that route with him, they should have introduced him much sooner and used his public announcement as part of what sets off the Accords and Civil War. But that's just my two cents.

I think it's better that it'd be beyond his control to be outed, many fans feel Peter doing it himself in the comics was poorly justified and went against his whole responsibility kick

Perhaps they're going to have to adapt OMD's sequel One Moment In Time, which is the company's in-universe "official" non-Mephisto explanation of how Peter had his identity restored and it involved Doctor Strange and even Reed Richards. Tony was involved in the original comic story, but obviously that's a bit impossible for the MCU right now.

[Jester]

Maybe ridiculous was the wrong word. They seem to specifically formulated to be EXACTLY what fans want...too good to be true.

[ZariusTwo]

Maybe ridiculous was the wrong word. They seem to specifically formulated to be EXACTLY what fans want...too good to be true.

You're used to MCU subverting the expectations, but I feel these spoilers seem to be doing that. One element is certainly what some would be concerned about seeing, and I've seen some of reddit state it'd be a disastrous direction to take the franchise in.

[AquaParade]

Guys and girls, I'm such a weenie about spoilers lately.

Think I can read those without having the main plot spoiled in the film? Do they seem like stand-alone teases for the future or do you think they might spoil main plot points of Far From Home?

No one truly knows until they see the film, but I'd appreciate opinions, nonetheless

[ZariusTwo]

Guys and girls, I'm such a weenie about spoilers lately.

Think I can read those without having the main plot spoiled in the film? Do they seem like stand-alone teases for the future or do you think they might spoil main plot points of Far From Home?

Depending on their accuracy, they have the potential to set up some fairly major things in the MCU to come. One of them comes as a direct consequence of a character's final fate in the film, and another might cheat you out of investment in other characters in the story if you don't go in blind

[AquaParade]

Depending on their accuracy, they have the potential to set up some fairly major things in the MCU to come. One of them comes as a direct consequence of a character's final fate in the film, and another might cheat you out of investment in other characters in the story if you don't go in blind

Thank you!

[ZariusTwo]

Thank you!

You're welcome.

They still could be wrong, I've read about three different post-credit spoilers, just these ones seem to be causing the most noise (and understandably so as they feel the less "kitchen sink" of the lot of them)

[AquaParade]

I'm hearing that they are bagging phones for tonight's red carpet premiere, so as to prevent spoilers from leaking out too easily. Not 100% sure on this, but a pretty reliable source is claiming it.

Is it possible the spoilers for this film are much larger than we thought? Given Sony's previous marketing for Spider-Man films, I was sort of assuming we essentially knew the 3-act structure at this point.

[Autbot_Benz]

JK Simmons was at the Far From Home Premiere so that holds a little weight regarding one of the end credit scenes


https://i.imgur.com/DaDluiM.jpg

[ZariusTwo]

I've been in contact with fans who attended the screening. The spoilers are real.

[Jester]

Well color me surprised.
Glad that Simmons is back as Jameson. He was perfect.

[Andrew NDB]

I never doubted the spoilers. Everybody was reporting that.

That's really cool. Bringing back JK Simmons is going to do a world to assuage Spider-Man fans still feeling whiplash about so many reboots, I think.

[AquaParade]

Well color me surprised.
Glad that Simmons is back as Jameson. He was perfect.

Appreciate you using spoiler tags.

[ZariusTwo]

Caught the post-credits on Youtube

Interestingly, Peter is never actually shown unmasked when he's "exposed" so there's wiggle room there.

And Jameson is bald, missing his traditional hairstyle, but he's as bombastic as ever

The scene ends with Peter saying "What the Fu...", last time it was Aunt May

[Jester]

Caught the post-credits on Youtube

Interestingly, Peter is never actually shown unmasked when he's "exposed" so there's wiggle room there.

And Jameson is bald, missing his traditional hairstyle, but he's as bombastic as ever

The scene ends with Peter saying "What the Fu...", last time it was Aunt May
Looking at the leak, looks like they're making him look like Alex Jones.

[Andrew NDB]

And the "Daily Bugle" not a newspaper, but like "Infowars" or something?

[Autbot_Benz]

I just watched it too its great. Explains why Peter isn't a photographer yet

[ProphetofGanja]

I am officially not reading anything in this thread until after July 2nd

[Andrew NDB]

I am officially not reading anything in this thread until after July 2nd

Probably a good idea. I personally wish I didn't read certain things.

[Andrew NDB]

Tom Holland on LGTBQ representation in the MCU:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/tom-holland-on-lgbt-representation-in-mcu/

"The world isn’t as simple as a straight white guy. It doesn’t end there, and these films need to represent more than one type of person."

[Allio]

Which is fine, but of course it’s hard to do when it comes to these charters that has been around since most people seeing the movies

[AquaParade]

I’ve learned that I have a difficult time assessing these films on my first watch, but there was a lot I enjoyed about Far From Home, last night.

Now it’s possible it fell below my expectations, but I’m not ready to say that, due to the fact that I need a second watch and I was tired as all hell during my midnight viewing. Will report back after second viewing.

[raph27]

Saw it last night and loved it, thought that it was a big step above Homecoming and most importantly it progressed MCU Peter further into his own identity apart from "Iron Boy" as some have been calling him. Gyllenhaal was great as always too.

I will say that despite all the talk about how this was touted as the end of Phase 3 and the Infinity Saga, to me it definitely felt more like a new Phase, with Endgame really closing the book on what came before. The same thing happened with Ant-Man getting moved from Phase 3 to 2 though, so part of me expected that.

More detailed thoughts:
The illusion sequences were stunning, especially on the big screen with surround sound. One of my top sequences in the MCU for me, especially with the gut punch of zombie Iron Man. Capping it all off with Peter rammed by the train was brutal.

Speaking of the train, seeing Peter so helpless and defeated by Beck was heartbreaking, and I loved the scene on the jet between him and Happy. As someone who has been waiting for this Peter to really grow as his own hero, that scene a focal point for his character as a whole.

End credits scenes were shocking. I'm really glad I avoided this thread before I saw the movie. Simmons coming back was a great surprise, and I'm still thinking about the implications of that Skrull twist. The big question for me is how long real Fury was gone.

[Andrew NDB]

I will say that despite all the talk about how this was touted as the end of Phase 3 and the Infinity Saga, to me it definitely felt more like a new Phase, with Endgame really closing the book on what came before. The same thing happened with Ant-Man getting moved from Phase 3 to 2 though, so part of me expected that.

Totally smacks of a marketing thing to me. If you're in marketing, what would you think is going to sell more if you objectively look at an MCU movie -- making it the last of the epic Phase 3, preceded by Endgame... or the first in an unknown Phase 4, heading into the unknown?

[AquaParade]

Reflecting more on this film, there are a lot of scenes and elements I love. I can think of more than a couple scenes that I'm very excited to watch again. The music, action, and effects were all great.

I think it may have pacing issues for me though. It may just take a re-watch, but, for example, the very first scene felt really awkwardly placed to me.

Also, there was one scene, while not offensively bad or anything, really didn't work for me. Too lazy to spoiler tag, so I'll just say it took place on a bus.

Saw it last night and loved it, thought that it was a big step above Homecoming and most importantly it progressed MCU Peter further into his own identity apart from "Iron Boy" as some have been calling him. Gyllenhaal was great as always too.

I will say that despite all the talk about how this was touted as the end of Phase 3 and the Infinity Saga, to me it definitely felt more like a new Phase, with Endgame really closing the book on what came before. The same thing happened with Ant-Man getting moved from Phase 3 to 2 though, so part of me expected that.

More detailed thoughts:
The illusion sequences were stunning, especially on the big screen with surround sound. One of my top sequences in the MCU for me, especially with the gut punch of zombie Iron Man. Capping it all off with Peter rammed by the train was brutal.

Speaking of the train, seeing Peter so helpless and defeated by Beck was heartbreaking, and I loved the scene on the jet between him and Happy. As someone who has been waiting for this Peter to really grow as his own hero, that scene a focal point for his character as a whole.

End credits scenes were shocking. I'm really glad I avoided this thread before I saw the movie. Simmons coming back was a great surprise, and I'm still thinking about the implications of that Skrull twist. The big question for me is how long real Fury was gone.

I sort of suspect that they decided to label this as "the end of phase 3", for merchandising/marketing purposes.

There isn't another Marvel film coming out for a while, so they might want to be selling "Phase 3" or "Infinity Saga" sets this holiday season, without people feeling like the package is missing a recently released movie or incomplete. Maybe just wishful thinking, because I really want an Infinity Saga 4k set.

Just a hunch, because it really didn't feel like more of an ending than Endgame. Just another chapter in the story. It opens more doors than it closes.

Totally smacks of a marketing thing to me. If you're in marketing, what would you think is going to sell more if you objectively look at an MCU movie -- making it the last of the epic Phase 3, preceded by Endgame... or the first in an unknown Phase 4, heading into the unknown?

Also a good guess.

[neatoman]

So I guess Peter better have Mephisto on speed dial...

Anyway, I just got back from it and thought it was fine. It's not a great movie or anything but there are plenty of things to like about it.
I like that, much like the WOG of Peter being that kid in Iron Man 2, the were some retcons that tied it in better with previous movies. I didn't really think Beck would turn out to be engineer behind BARF or that the guy yelled out by Stane would come back. I like that Beck was changed from a regular SFX artist to an engineer, the old backstory always seemed a little farfetched in terms of making him a credible threat. The rehearsals, the mocap suit, etc that made his staged events seem like a movie production was a decent compromise. The scenes where the illusions play a bigger role than just fake monster attacks are gold.

Not sure how I feel about Peter being the successor to Tony, to the point of inheriting several of his key belongings. I know why they want to use Spider-Man as the new center of the MCU, he's traditionally the most popular Marvel character, he sells the most merch, plenty of writers out there are passionate about him, Tom Holland can likely continue to play the character for 20 year, etc. Hell, they probably would have used Spidey in phase 1 if they had the rights, I'm just not sure he needs to be such a literal successor to Iron Man. It doesn't quite feel like "Iron Boy" but it does come a little closer than I'd like. I just hope they don't reveal Peter inherited Stark Industries stock or something, then it'd be far too much.

I'm also a little bummed that the Multiverse turned out to be fake. It's not like I'd actually want Mysterio to be from another universe and I know they'll get to the multiverse eventually, it's just that I was looking forward to some crazy new directions.
It's also kind of funny that Peter is told not to mention Captain Marvel, as if she shouldn't be acknowledged. Between this and her being largely cut out of Endgame, kind of makes me wonder if Marvel is actually embarrassed of her movie.

[Andrew NDB]

I like that, much like the WOG of Peter being that kid in Iron Man 2

Wait, that was actually acknowledged on-screen in this?

[AquaParade]

Wait, that was actually acknowledged on-screen in this?

Not that I remember...

Really hope it is obscured from continuity and Kevin Feige backtracks on confirming it. I'm pretty open to the role they've had Tony play in Peter's life, but that takes it a little far, for my taste.

Edit: Er, I don't know how I feel about it. Maybe it's fine. I just think i'd like to see Ben acknowledged a bit, if they are going to make Iron Man such a prominent role model in Pete's superhero life. Throw the classic origin a friggin bone.

[neatoman]

Wait, that was actually acknowledged on-screen in this?

No I just referenced how, unlike that particular part, the two things I mentioned actually were confirmed.

[ProphetofGanja]

Wow just saw this earlier today, freaking loved it. Not perfect of course but really enjoyable; I liked it a LOT more than Homecoming and waaay more than any film in the other two Spider-Man franchises

[Galactus]

It's also kind of funny that Peter is told not to mention Captain Marvel, as if she shouldn't be acknowledged. Between this and her being largely cut out of Endgame, kind of makes me wonder if Marvel is actually embarrassed of her movie.

Haven't seen it yet but if it's the bit that's shown in the various trailers then...

The whole "don't invoke her name thing" is supposed to be that Fury thinks she's too important for Peter to even suggest using her as a way to weasel out of his responsibility.

Marvel are not going to be ashamed of a billion dollar movie. In what world was she cut out of Endgame? The movie was always going to focus on the original six.

Also let's not go the other way with this. That Marvel is trying to make Carol seem too special to get involved in a mere Spider-Man plot, It's a joke based on the fact that Fury/Talos hold her in high regard. We shouldn't read too much into these things

[AquaParade]

What? That's dumb. They really want to strip away his secret identity this early into... everything? And why bring in Jonah if everyone knows who Peter is?

I can’t stop thinking about this. If the public knows his identity... why even wear a mask? I’m anxious about how they will handle this.

[ZariusTwo]

I can’t stop thinking about this. If the public knows his identity... why even wear a mask? I’m anxious about how they will handle this.

Spider-Gwen revealed her identity to the public in her own comic book, and kept wearing a mask long after

[Galactus]

What? That's dumb. They really want to strip away his secret identity this early into... everything? And why bring in Jonah if everyone knows who Peter is?

Well that depends on how much more Spider-Man Sony will allow in the MCU or how long Tom Holland wants to stay as the character. Yeah it feels a bit too early for that but who knows how long we'll have this iteration of the character.

I can’t stop thinking about this. If the public knows his identity... why even wear a mask? I’m anxious about how they will handle this.

Symbolism? To protect his face while swinging at high speed? Plus the MCU version contains his coms, visual displays and activated Karen.

[Turo602]

I thought Mysterio was a good villain in this, the action was great, and there was some cool scenes, but it's still MCU Spider-Man and it still continues to be trash. I appreciated some of the Raimi films references though.

[AquaParade]

Symbolism? To protect his face while swinging at high speed? Plus the MCU version contains his coms, visual displays and activated Karen.

I should have thought of those, thanks. I’d still be missing that element of mystery, but I suppose it can work.


Spider-Gwen revealed her identity to the public in her own comic book, and kept wearing a mask long after

Good point, but I feel that they would need a better explanation than “just because” in the MCU.

[MikeandRaph87]

Post-credits, Skrulls are the go to excuse for a retcon, but the skrulks are evil so why is a skrull subing in for Nick Fury?

Spider-Man's identity being exposed lasted for 18 months and the sore spot of Civil War so why bring it into the films? Aunt May knowing at this point is bad enough.

I love seeing Jameson, but miss the hair trying to differentiate or not.

So was Dimitri The Chameleon or not? The elementals were not who they could have been, but Scorpion was a legitimate tease.

[ZariusTwo]

Post-credits, Skrulls are the go to excuse for a retcon, but the skrulks are evil so why is a skrull subing in for Nick Fury?

Erm, you have seen Captain Marvel right?

Those Skrulls are from that movie and they were NOT the bad guys, the Kree were

And how is

Aunt May knowing bad? She knew in the Ultimate comics and Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, and the movies are based partially on those...plus she knew for seven years in J.Micheal Strazynski's run in ASM. Her NOT knowing is an outdated and tired concept.

Hell, Jameson knows who Peter is in the comics at the moment.

[MikeandRaph87]

No, if its not Spider-Man or Guardians of The Galaxy I don't care. I have seen the Avengers films and 2nd and 3rd Captain America films. Can't like every thing.

I thought Kree was good and Skrulls were evil and an easy out if someone is out of character?


I know she was aware as of ASM#400, but appreciated the not knowing dynamic. As for Jameson knowing now it is an interesting twist and change in their dynamic.

[Andrew NDB]

Spider-Man's identity being exposed lasted for 18 months and the sore spot of Civil War so why bring it into the films? Aunt May knowing at this point is bad enough.

Right? That's something that feels like it should go in, like, Spider-Man 6 or 7, not now. Imagine if at the end of "The Dark Knight," the Joker had some time-release video revealing to the world Bruce Wayne is Batman. We are just getting warmed up here, understanding the lay of the land... it doesn't need to be altered yet.

Maybe they're trying to imitate the Iron Man template, since they apparently have groomed him as Iron Boy.

[AquaParade]

Right? That's something that feels like it should go in, like, Spider-Man 6 or 7, not now. Imagine if at the end of "The Dark Knight," the Joker had some time-release video revealing to the world Bruce Wayne is Batman. We are just getting warmed up here, understanding the lay of the land... it doesn't need to be altered yet.

Maybe they're trying to imitate the Iron Man template, since they apparently have groomed him as Iron Boy.

I think they're deathly afraid of re-treading ground at this point. You can see it in all of their decisions with the MCU Spider-Man. It's basically forcing them to jump straight to concepts that maybe Raimi's or Webb's series may have reached in their fifth or sixth installment. I appreciate that, but I would say the pendulum is swinging a little too far in that direction. Thank goodness Homecoming was such a potent dose of "down-to-earth Spider-Man" (At least as much as possible within the MCU), because since then Spider-Man has been to space, killed, brought back to life, and had his identity outed. It's good fun, but it sort of feels like getting a bit of "whiplash" with the character we are used to.

But it's also just common in general for film version of comicbook stories to feel compressed in comparison to the drawn-out stories we experience over decades in comics. Just maybe not to this extent?

[MikeandRaph87]

Right? That's something that feels like it should go in, like, Spider-Man 6 or 7, not now. Imagine if at the end of "The Dark Knight," the Joker had some time-release video revealing to the world Bruce Wayne is Batman. We are just getting warmed up here, understanding the lay of the land... it doesn't need to be altered yet.

Maybe they're trying to imitate the Iron Man template, since they apparently have groomed him as Iron Boy.

Yes, I believe you understand that I am not complaining about Aunt May being in the know,but a character who essentially has prided over having a secret identity should maintain it from key characters. She historically has known a lot less time than she has known. Mary Jane and Harry finding out in Spider-Man 2 does done very well. It was not "hey, I am Spider-Man by the way" or even being walked in on changing nor was it the whole world knowing. If Aunt May revealed she secretly knew but did not let on later on and they had they talk like they did in the comics about both feeling guilty for Uncle Ben's death then it works.

Considering how Marvel used one blunder to create another (Peter unmasking himself to lead to the erasure of his marriage with people not knowing his identity once again) and how short of a time span it was inbetween I am surprised this exposure would happen and seem to be a permanent thing. I cringed at the Mysterio angle reveal and all those disgruntled Stark Industry employees knowing who he was. That was bad enough. Its not like say the train scene where he was given his mask back and they swore to secrecy. Its almost an inverse of it.

[Krutch]

Quick review...
I liked it, but it's a far cry from the better Spider-Man films in my opinion. Current ranking is...

Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse
Spider-Man 2
Spider-Man
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Spider-Man 3
Spider-Man Far From Home
Amazing Spider-Man 2
Amazing Spider-Man

The Good:
Mysterio was an interesting take. I liked how his personality mirrored Tony Stark's, especially in the tech-heavy scenes. Jake's performance was great as expected.

Tom Holland is still a likeable lead that carries a lot of heart into his scenes. If they're indeed setting Spidey up to be the main guy moving forward, I'm excited to see Tom's journey with how he handles Peter.

Honestly, the whole cast was really top notch. Alot of the comedic writing didn't work for me, but the cast still carries a fun likeable energy. Great chemistry throughout.

J Jonah Jameson.

And just the overall sense of weight of the events of Infinity War/End Game. The whole world is still dealing with the fallout, and it's nice to see the universe change and evolve with it's characters.

The Bad:
Really not a fan of Peter wanting so take a break from Spider-Man so he can mack on MJ. I get that Peter hits these arcs in the comics but it comes off especially petty following End Game. I was hoping it would be revealed that Peter is secretly harbouring either survivor's guilt or some sort of PTSD, and that wanting to spend time with MJ was just a facade to hide his insecurities. But nope - Peter just wants some MJ. Iron Man just died saving the world and passing the torch to you, and the first thing you do is take a break because you wanna chase tail. C'mon, Pete.

Also not a fan of MJ (and later, the world) finding out about Peter's identity. I'm not sure why the secret identity aspect has been so downplayed in superheroes recent years but I really miss it. Peter's not even out of high school and his best friend, his aunt, and his girlfriend all know his identity. Alot of fun, antic-y stuff is lost before it even had a chance.

And I'll say it again; most of the comedy didn't land for me -- and there was alooooot of comedy.

J Jonah Jameson. Look, I get it. When you strike gold like that the first time, it's tempting (and easy) to just do it again. It's the safe move. And while it put a giant grin on my face ... I can't help but feel like it's also a missed opportunity to see someone else see what they can do with it.

[MikeandRaph87]

I will say this Krutch, you summed up my own thoughts on the film pretty well as far as the good and bad. Also, where did the sudden interest in Michelle come from? I understand developing a romantic feeling to someone that was in your life for some time, but there was no build outside the " this Mary Jane's stand-in" clear understanding.

[Krutch]

Yes - that was a big issue for me, too!

I figured they were taking a Lois in Smallville approach to MJ - introduce her as a snarky foil to Peter's life early, slowly develop them into a real friendship, and watch that friendship evolve into romance... But, alas, this isn't anything close to the MJ I'm familiar with, so I guess all bets are off.

[MikeandRaph87]

Not really spoiler...One thing I wonder is if something like in Cast Away where Chuck's fiancee assumed him dead and married and had a child with their dentist. How many after the snap would have a situation like that? I know one of the two science teachers had a comedic effect non-death of the spouse.but it made me think. Though the older sibling now the younger sibling is a sci-fi oddity that was mentioned.

Also, what did you like about Into The Spider-verse? I paid no mind to it. I am a Peter Parker fan, who prefers the 94'-'98 cartoon, Raimi films, and first thirty 31 years of comics and it did not seem to cater to any of that preference.

I don't see similarities to Mary Jane either. Mary Jane was a live every moment to the fullest PG party girl with a layered past, if you get what I mean. Michelle is a gothic girl who likes the truth and poetry(sorry, that is all I got).

I was thinking Ned might end up dead or injured since he did die in Europe in Spider-Man vs Wolverine where Peter finally has the light bulb go off that its not the next best choice or impulsive decision,but he loves MJ more than anything. The summer romance with Betty played to comedic effect was a wink at the comics.

[Krutch]

Also, what did you like about Into The Spider-verse? I paid no mind to it. I am a Peter Parker fan, who prefers the 94'-'98 cartoon, Raimi films, and first thirty 31 years of comics and it did not seem to cater to any of that preference.Oh, man, I could go on and on about what I liked about it. It's the only movie I've ever seen six times in theatres during it's release. And considering I match all the same preferences you listed, I'm surprised it didn't strike a chord with you, too.

I suppose part of it was having zero expectations; I saw the Superbowl teaser a year earlier, once, and never gave the movie a second look until I saw it opening night. I also went into it before word of mouth or checking out reviews, so it really was a blank slate. Add in the fact it came from Sony, the guys who just put out Venom and made the Emoji movie, I guess you could say the stage was set for surpassing expectations.

But the movie itself, to quote a review I wrote earlier - such a fresh, unique experience that speaks to what it means to be a superhero and serves to inspire us to be the best version of ourselves. Not only did it manage to be a movie celebrating why Spider-Man is such an important character in pop culture, but why superheroes in general are important. Tightly written story, every character is used just the right amount, innovative art style... just so much to love.

[MikeandRaph87]

Oh, man, I could go on and on about what I liked about it. It's the only movie I've ever seen six times in theatres during it's release. And considering I match all the same preferences you listed, I'm surprised it didn't strike a chord with you, too.

I suppose part of it was having zero expectations; I saw the Superbowl teaser a year earlier, once, and never gave the movie a second look until I saw it opening night. I also went into it before word of mouth or checking out reviews, so it really was a blank slate. Add in the fact it came from Sony, the guys who just put out Venom and made the Emoji movie, I guess you could say the stage was set for surpassing expectations.

But the movie itself, to quote a review I wrote earlier - such a fresh, unique experience that speaks to what it means to be a superhero and serves to inspire us to be the best version of ourselves. Not only did it manage to be a movie celebrating why Spider-Man is such an important character in pop culture, but why superheroes in general are important. Tightly written story, every character is used just the right amount, innovative art style... just so much to love.

I saw they toyed with having Tobey voice Peter but then changed their minds. I would have gone for that. Also, wasn't the focus more on Miles than Peter? Not Ben, not Miles,but Peter alone is Spider-Man to me. That is what turned me off of the film. I did not bother with it because it did not mirror our shared preferences.

[ZariusTwo]

I love Peter as much as anyone, but if I have to be frank, his story is done, or is at least on an indefinite pause.

ASM is more entertaining than it's been in years, and I'm glad Peter's with MJ again, that Felicia's redeemed and Jonah knows, but it's still a phony continuity created by a devil deal and I'll always have trouble adjusting to that. It's like the original story ended and all we have is some post-script fantasy playpen for the writers to keep Peter encased in amber from now until the heat death of the industry. If Marvel undoes OMD outright, they are convinced this will give Peter the ultimate happy ending and they cannot allow that. Peter's story is done, but that doesn't mean they should stop recycling his greatest hits (Hunted=KLH, and the mystery of Kindred=the new take on the Hobgoblin mystery) for new audiences.

I've always been a fan of Peter going forward, and for the most part this decade, he's managed that in a couple of separate continuities (MC2, Renew Your Vows, Newspaper Strip), There's not much else you can do with him now that will feel very fresh, all 616 Peter needs to do now is catch up to what RYV and MC2 Peter have done and that, unfortunately, will take all of our lifetimes.

So while I'm not that invested in Miles or Gwen, I can understand why Marvel wants people to read about other characters in the costume. Unfortunately for them, no matter how many accolades Spider-Verse receives, how many Spider-Gwen cosplayers they are, how prominent they are in the cartoons, it doesn't translate well to comic sales

[Xav]

One thing I don't understand about the ending is how did Mysterio die? It seemed like he was shot by one of his drones but that was an illusion. Than the real Beck appears tries to shot Peter and he just grabs his arm and he falls over and dies? Also when did he have time to film his "Spider-Man is Peter Parker" video? And I'm assuming the video was sent to the Daily Bugle by Beck's tech guy William. But why would he want to make Beck out to be a hero when he threaten to shot him? And why would he want to make Spider-Man out to be a villain and expose his real identity. Was he just mad he destroyed his drones?

[Andrew NDB]

Apparently this movie needs to make 1 billion (it will) or creative control reverts back to Sony? That was a part of the original deal, somehow?

http://www.darkhorizons.com/new-spider-man-has-to-make-over-a-billion/

[Coola Yagami]

One thing I don't understand about the ending is how did Mysterio die? It seemed like he was shot by one of his drones but that was an illusion. Than the real Beck appears tries to shot Peter and he just grabs his arm and he falls over and dies? Also when did he have time to film his "Spider-Man is Peter Parker" video? And I'm assuming the video was sent to the Daily Bugle by Beck's tech guy William. But why would he want to make Beck out to be a hero when he threaten to shot him? And why would he want to make Spider-Man out to be a villain and expose his real identity. Was he just mad he destroyed his drones?

Possibly payback to Stark's legacy and he who would have been next in line. If I'm going down I'll make his life a living hell kinda thing.

[Andrew NDB]

I had no idea about this, but I just looked at Fandango for movie times this weekend and it shows "Spider-Man: Far From Home Extended Cut" hitting this weekend and with a different poster.

I wonder what's new?

[AquaParade]

I had no idea about this, but I just looked at Fandango for movie times this weekend and it shows "Spider-Man: Far From Home Extended Cut" hitting this weekend and with a different poster.

I wonder what's new?

They edited in that action scene, with the iron spider suit, from the trailers.

It will appear on the home release, but as a separate "short story".