The Umbrella Academy (Netflix TV series)

[ProphetofGanja]

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Continuing on from this thread (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1479995), here's a thread for the upcoming 2018 show based on the Dark Horse comic book series The Umbrella Academy (which is great and should be read by everyone), created by Gerard Way and Gabriel Bá, the third volume of which allegedly will be released later this year.


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The Cast:

Colm Feore as Sir Reginald Hargreeves, aka The Monocle
An alien disguised as a wealthy entrepreneur and world-renowned scientist. He is also the adoptive father of seven children who were born under mysterious circumstances and have supernatural abilities. Inventor of The Televator, The Levitator, The Mobile Umbrella Communicator, and Clever Crisp cereal. Olympic gold medalist and recipient of the Nobel Prize for his work in the cerebral advancement of the chimpanzee. He was very cold in his raising of the children in that he refused to let the children call him father, instead preferring to be called The Monocle. Also, when speaking to the children, he addressed them by their number, which he gave them in order of usefulness to him. Hargreeves deprived them of any normal childhood, instead relentlessly training and manipulating them into a dysfunctional team of young superheroes known as the Umbrella Academy
Tom Hopper as #00.01, aka Spaceboy, aka Luther Hargreeves
The leader of the Umbrella Academy. As a child he possessed super-strength and greatly increased resilience. After a disastrous expedition to Mars, however, The Monocle had to transplant his head onto the body of a Martian gorilla. His Martian gorilla body can withstand the vacuum of space although his human head still requires a helmet. He often uses a jet-pack and his weapon of choice is a ray-gun. After his career with The Umbrella Academy he moved to the moon and lived at the Annihilation Control outpost to monitor for impending threats.
David Castañeda as #00.02, aka the Kraken, aka Diego Hargreeves
The reckless and rebellious member of the team; described by The Monocle as “an insolent brat.” He has the ability to hold his breath indefinitely and has demonstrated a strong affinity for knife-throwing. He and Luther have a very clear rivalry, and Diego seems unwilling to take orders from Luther. He is more of a Batman-like superhero in that he goes on regular patrols and can be seen taking down drug dealers and other street-level criminals. In his teenage years, he was the bass player in a band called the Prime-8s, with Body (Inspector Lupo's chimpanzee partner) and his sister Vanya.
Emmy Raver-Lampman #00.03, aka The Rumor, aka Allison Hargreeves
Described by The Monocle as incredibly narcissistic. She has the ability to instantly alter reality by lying. After her career with the Umbrella Academy, she married her boyfriend Patrick and had a daughter named Claire. The couple has since divorced and Patrick has full custody of their daughter. She is romantically linked to her adopted brother, Spaceboy, however their love for each other is unconsummated as Spaceboy sees himself as somewhat of a monstrosity due to his Martian gorilla body.
Robert Sheehan as #00.04, aka The Séance, aka Klaus Hargreeves
Showcases a fretful, morbid temperament. His powers are levitation, telekinesis, and the ability to communicate with the dead, although his powers only work when he is not wearing shoes. He has the words "Hello" and "Goodbye" tattooed on his palms. It has been theorized by Dr. Pogo that he's been taking drugs since he was a teenager.
Aidan Gallagher as #00.05, aka The Boy
At the age of 10, the boy disappeared by traveling 50 years into the future, which seemed to hold no difficulty for him. Sir Reginald had warned him that he would never be able to go back but after spending years calculating the logistics he was able to travel back in time. He physically aged normally during his time in the future but upon returning to the past, he regained his 10-year-old appearance, despite his adoptive siblings now being 30. His body is apparently stuck in time and cannot age, as medical examinations prove that there are signs of neither cell growth nor death.
TBA* as #00.06, aka the Horror, aka Ben Hargreeves
Possesses monsters from other dimensions under his skin (most often appearing as tentacles emerging from his torso). He is deceased, but no information regarding his death has been given. There is a memorial statue of him located in front of the Academy.
Ellen Page as #00.07, aka Vanya Hargreeves, aka The White Violin
The most estranged member of the group, Vanya originally showcased no exceptional powers other than an interest in music. Vanya is known to have written a memoir detailing her life with the Umbrella Academy and her decision to leave.
TBA as Mrs. Grace Hargreeves
Referred to as "Mom" by the members of the Umbrella Academy, and appears to be a partially animate plastic mannequin. Little information is given as to her origins.
Adam Godley as Dr. Phinneus Pogo
A talking chimpanzee who worked for The Monocle. He was a source of warmth and support that the children never received from their adoptive father.
Cameron Britton and Mary J. Blige as Hazel and Cha-Cha
Ruthless mercenaries who are tasked with traveling through time to take out targets in different decades while working for a shadowy organization, the Temps Aeternalis. Though Hazel is a loyal company man who has enjoyed what he does for decades, the job starts to wear on him—which puts him at odds with his equally lethal partner, Cha-Cha.
Ashley Madekwe as Detective Patch
An up-and-coming member of the city’s police department focused on solving a string of crimes in the city. Some might call her arrogant, but she gets the job done, and with charm. She plays by the book, but that doesn’t make her soft. Patch is set to butt heads with at least one member of the Umbrella Academy due to her stance on vigilante justice.



*it is unclear at this time if these characters will appear in the series as they are already deceased when the series begins

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Filming for the series began last Monday, January 15th (https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Ba/status/952975899489636352)

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Gerard Way: “I am thrilled that ‘The Umbrella Academy’ has found a home at Netflix. I couldn’t think of a better place for the vision Gabriel Bá and myself had when creating the comic, and cannot wait for people to experience that world as a live action show.”

Cindy Holland, VP of Netflix OC: “What drew us to ‘The Umbrella Academy’ is that it’s wholly unique, visual, and stylized. These aren’t the usual superheroes, and this series will embrace the singular tone of the graphic novels—dark yet humorous, supernatural yet grounded in reality. We’re excited to see this world and introduce these unforgettable heroes to Netflix members around the globe.”



The first season of The Umbrella Academy will have ten episodes, although whether they will be an hour or half-hour in length has yet to be announced.

Universal Cable Productions is set to produce the series, with Steve Blackman (Fargo, Legion) serving as executive producer and showrunner. Way, Bluegrass Television, and Dark Horse’s Mike Richardson and Keith Goldberg are set to executive produce the pilot, directed by Peter Hoar from a script by Jeremy Slater.



Updates will be added as they are announced

[ProphetofGanja]

Apparently Mary J. Blige is going to be on the show

Mary J. Blige to Star in New Netflix Series by My Chemical Romance’s Gerard Way
(https://pitchfork.com/news/mary-j-blige-to-star-in-new-netflix-series-by-my-chemical-romances-gerard-way/)
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If you are familiar with the comic then this new is coming waaay out of left field

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[plastroncafe]

I remember reading the books and not being as blown away by the story as I was by the artwork.

The simple fact that Ba drew the table read just...it makes my heart sing.

[NinjaPug]

That's some interesting casting for Cha-Cha.

Is Netflix really releasing the season later this year if they just started filming last month? Seems like a quick turnaround.

[ProphetofGanja]

Update: The Umbrella Academy: Cameron Britton, Colm Feore, Adam Godley & Ashley Madekwe Join Netflix Series (http://deadline.com/2018/02/the-umbrella-academy-cameron-britton-colm-feore-adam-godley-ashley-madekwe-cast-netflix-series-1202291968/)

I remember reading the books and not being as blown away by the story as I was by the artwork.

The simple fact that Ba drew the table read just...it makes my heart sing.

Bá's artwork is definitely one of the biggest draws of the series and I hope it's at least referenced on the show somehow

That's some interesting casting for Cha-Cha.

Is Netflix really releasing the season later this year if they just started filming last month? Seems like a quick turnaround.

Yeah, a lot of interesting casting and altering of roles for this show. Right now I'm intrigued but if they change too much it feels like it wouldn't be based on the comic books

[ProphetofGanja]

Apparently the showrunners have created a love interest-character for Vanya Hargreeves and cast John Magaro in the role (https://www.cbr.com/umbrella-academy-netflix-john-magaro/)

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You may have seen him on Orange is the New Black

[NinjaPug]

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[ProphetofGanja]

Well you know I'm excited

[NinjaPug]

Somehow I missed the news a couple weeks ago that a 3rd comic is coming out this Fall.

http://ew.com/books/2018/07/10/gerard-way-third-umbrella-academy-comic-release-date/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Super stoked!

[AquaParade]

I've always been a really big fan of Gerard Way. Great to see the ball rolling on this series!

[ProphetofGanja]

10 Umbrella Academy Facts To Know Before Watching It On Netflix (https://www.cbr.com/umbrella-academy-facts-trivia-netflix/)

The Umbrella Academy will premiere on February 15th

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Marathoned it this weekend. Damn good stuff. I personally like it better than the comics.

Also, Ben (The Horror) gets to actually be a character, which is fantastic.

The only difference I wouldn't have minded keeping the same would be the changes to Hazel and Cha Cha. But, it did make them far more nuanced and interesting. I liked it.

10/10. Bring on Season 2!!!

[newfan]

I'm not familiar with this but caught the preview on Netflix, looked good so I'm gonna check it out.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm not familiar with this but caught the preview on Netflix, looked good so I'm gonna check it out.

Think the X-Men, if Professor X was a complete and utterly heartless bastard.

[Andrew NDB]

Watched the trailer for it on Netflix. It looks a little too... posh for me, but maybe I'll check it out eventually.

[newfan]

Think the X-Men, if Professor X was a complete and utterly heartless bastard.

Huh, sounds interesting :)

[Andrew NDB]

Saw the first episode. There's stuff I like in there, but these characters are pretty cardboard. I think we're supposed to like Vanya the most, but mostly she just stares blankly around or plays an instrument.

Also the action stuff with the blood... I don't know that it's the show's fault, but it's hard to get too excited about it so soon after Punisher season 2, which did this kind of stuff way, way better and with NO powers.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Saw the first episode. There's stuff I like in there, but these characters are pretty cardboard. I think we're supposed to like Vanya the most, but mostly she just stares blankly around or plays an instrument.

Also the action stuff with the blood... I don't know that it's the show's fault, but it's hard to get too excited about it so soon after Punisher season 2, which did this kind of stuff way, way better and with NO powers.

Funny, because I never was able to finish season 2 of Punisher, but I just finished my second run of this show last night (once solo, once with the wife).

Different strokes. :trazz:

[Andrew NDB]

On paper this is something I should love. It's just... the characters aren't reeling me in, and I'm having trouble buying this universe.

Like, the flashback when they were kids, where they go into a bank and murder all of the bank robbers, then come out and announce themselves and their identities to the police with their dad. How wouldn't they immediately have all been arrested?

And their long lost brother returns in front of them after 15+ years... and no one even seems that terribly excited? Like, it doesn't even register for them and then the next day they're already ready to go their separate ways and not, y'know, hanging out with the brother you thought had been dead forever? This isn't how people behave.

Funny, because I never was able to finish season 2 of Punisher

You still need to!

[newfan]

Just finished up with this, I enjoyed it, but as I'm not previously familiar I can't know how it rates for character portrayal etc.

I like that you get a whole series with Netflix than have to wait for airing but on the other side of that it's all over quickly too in 10 eps. Also you don't get the same following with others as you get when something airs and people catch eps at the same time.

Still, I'll catch season 2 if there is one.

[Andrew NDB]

Finished it. I mostly had to power through the early episodes without any likable characters to speak of... but about the last 4 episodes were pretty good.

Two things:

1) Cha Cha didn't have enough going on. I've always liked Blige (though I've never seen her act in anything before) but the part just seems miscast, too.

2) What a horrible cliffhanger. If I hadn't already read that the show was picked up for season 2 already, I'd be furious for it all being a waste of time. Still... this is no way to wrap up a season. This is... the opposite of that.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Finished it. I mostly had to power through the early episodes without any likable characters to speak of... but about the last 4 episodes were pretty good.

Two things:

1) Cha Cha didn't have enough going on. I've always liked Blige (though I've never seen her act in anything before) but the part just seems miscast, too.

2) What a horrible cliffhanger. If I hadn't already read that the show was picked up for season 2 already, I'd be furious for it all being a waste of time. Still... this is no way to wrap up a season. This is... the opposite of that.

Yeah, my wife was furious with the cliffhanger, too.

And can't argue with Cha Cha... compared to Hazel, she really had zero characterization. She needed more; there was definitely room.

[Andrew NDB]

And can't argue with Cha Cha... compared to Hazel, she really had zero characterization. She needed more; there was definitely room.

There was the subtle revelation that she has a crush on Hazel when he gave his speech in the forest, then she got jealous when she caught him with the donut lady, but that's not much and nothing really comes of it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

There was the subtle revelation that she has a crush on Hazel when he gave his speech in the forest, then she got jealous when she caught him with the donut lady, but that's not much and nothing really comes of it.

I didn't even catch that until my rewatching. It was nice, but yeah... that was about it.

Season 2, hopefully. Give her something to chew on.

[Andrew NDB]

News all over the internet today that it's been renewed for season 2:

https://deadline.com/2019/04/the-umbrella-academy-renewed-season-2-netflix-1202586625/

Even though it was already renewed back in February...

https://www.nme.com/news/tv/umbrella-academy-season-2-netflix-renewed-2454732

[Utrommaniac]

I just got through a two-day binge watch. Definitely would be watching season 2 and maybe looking into the original source material.

But it was a big downer all the way through. But of course it would be considering everything that happened to the characters growing up.


And Sir Hargreeves was an idiot with Vanya. What, you couldn't have a little more patience with a little girl who was scared and stubborn at breakfast? I could do a whole essay on how in so many different directions that he was absolutely wrong to not help her hone her power so it wouldn't go out of control!

Ah but yes, this is the same motherfvcker who locks a boy in a crypt thinking it would teach him a lesson.

Gotta say though, there were moments where I was surprised when Pogo would show up. Talking chimp in a suit kind of takes away from the moment, especially when it's a serious one.


I can excuse secret alien man adopting 7 children with superpowers who were literally born unexpectedly and raising them horribly, but I draw the line at Talking Chimp in A Suit

[newfan]

This is returning in 3 weeks (31 July), enjoyed the last season so plan to watch this one.
https://twitter.com/UmbrellaAcad/status/1280864216971264001

[AquaParade]

Finished it. I mostly had to power through the early episodes without any likable characters to speak of... but about the last 4 episodes were pretty good.

Two things:

1) Cha Cha didn't have enough going on. I've always liked Blige (though I've never seen her act in anything before) but the part just seems miscast, too.

2) What a horrible cliffhanger. If I hadn't already read that the show was picked up for season 2 already, I'd be furious for it all being a waste of time. Still... this is no way to wrap up a season. This is... the opposite of that.

You feel it gets better? I love the comic but stopped about four episodes in for the same reason. Dance scene made me sort of cringe and I didn't love any of the characters at that point.

[ProphetofGanja]

I can excuse secret alien man adopting 7 children with superpowers who were literally born unexpectedly and raising them horribly, but I draw the line at Talking Chimp in A Suit

You should definitely check out the comics.

You feel it gets better? I love the comic but stopped about four episodes in for the same reason. Dance scene made me sort of cringe and I didn't love any of the characters at that point.

Yeah, unfortunately my love of the comics kept me from enjoying the show. It's just so, so different. Doesn't feel like the same vibe at all, especially with how they've remixed everything to change the flow of the story for seasons 1 and 2.

I'll probably turn season 2 on when it comes out just out of curiosity, but I'm far more eager for news of Volume 4 of the comics.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm a couple episodes into season 2. So this season is all about a time traveling jaunt to the 60s, stopping JFK's assassination and avert a nuclear war. Eh, not at all where I imagined they might go with things after season 1. It's not bad, though it feels like kind of a side thing.

Also there's a bit of a racism thing in it that I'm getting a bit tired of in a lot of TV shows of late.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Managed to finish our marathon of Season 2 last night. Or, y'know, waaaaaaaaay earlier this morning.

Didn't like the first half of the season as much, but by the end of the season, they've done some pretty spectacular things with Ben and Lila. So it gets better!

Never liked the Swedes. Boring.

Also, while I'm all for diversity, making Allison black blocked the Umbrella Academy show from ever adapting a pretty fvcking great plot twist from Dallas where she impersonates a rather important white lady. Still disappointed we'll never see that moment.

[newfan]

I think I've watched about 3 eps then took a break as it hasn't greasped me as much as when I started the first season, might get back on to it tonight. Does this season differ greatly from the comic also, besides the point you mentioned already Cylons?

[AquaParade]

Yeah, unfortunately my love of the comics kept me from enjoying the show. It's just so, so different. Doesn't feel like the same vibe at all, especially with how they've remixed everything to change the flow of the story for seasons 1 and 2.

I'll probably turn season 2 on when it comes out just out of curiosity, but I'm far more eager for news of Volume 4 of the comics.

It's interesting to see all the negative reviews for the comic up on Amazon, left by people who enjoyed the show first and wanted to check out the origin.

To each their own, and it makes sense. Like you said, they feel quite different from each other. It's quite hard to capture the tone of Gabriel Ba's art in live action, for one thing.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think I've watched about 3 eps then took a break as it hasn't greasped me as much as when I started the first season, might get back on to it tonight. Does this season differ greatly from the comic also, besides the point you mentioned already Cylons?

Hugely. The TV show is much more grounded. If you've never read the comics, that should give you some idea of how bat$hit insane the comics are!

It's interesting to see all the negative reviews for the comic up on Amazon, left by people who enjoyed the show first and wanted to check out the origin.

To each their own, and it makes sense. Like you said, they feel quite different from each other. It's quite hard to capture the tone of Gabriel Ba's art in live action, for one thing.

I like the show a lot more. There are some things from the comics, however, that I really wish hadn't been changed or cut out.

Oh, and I first read the comics, long before the show came out.

[Andrew NDB]

A couple more into it. They're really doubling down on the anti-racism stuff and now anti-homophobia stuff, which again, seems to be pretty trendy in like... almost all TV shows right now. Was that in the comics, or are TPTB on the show just trying to ride a wave?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

A couple more into it. They're really doubling down on the anti-racism stuff and now anti-homophobia stuff, which again, seems to be pretty trendy in like... almost all TV shows right now. Was that in the comics, or are TPTB on the show just trying to ride a wave?

Riding the wave, man.

Everybody's white in the comics. Now, I like that they made the kids more diverse; there's no particular reason they should be all white, given that Hargreaves recruited them from around the world. But as I've already b!tched, they should have kept Allison white for a great plot twist in the Dallas story.

Can't make Luther black, given he's half-ape... THAT'D be offensive for sure. But there's no reason Klaus or Five couldn't have been the black character when Netflix was casting for diversity. There's nothing inherently "white" about the characters' background or story arcs.

Also, Ellen Page is lesbian, so it's possible she suggested/requested the whole Sissy subplot.

[Andrew NDB]

Also, Ellen Page is lesbian, so it's possible she suggested/requested the whole Sissy subplot.

I've skimmed them all but I don't remember. Was she a lesbian in the comics?

[Powder]

I saw an ad (single image; group shot) for this on the Netflix homepage & that was more than enough to keep me away. How ridiculous. You could rent ad space on Ellen's forehead & the one guy dead ass looks like the Coomer meme come to life.

[Andrew NDB]

Finished it. Well, after a certain point (maybe 2/3s of the way through the season?) they mostly get all the anti-racism, anti-homophobia stuff out of their system and get to work on a decent resolution.

Way better season finale than the first one. This one, we at least have some idea of what's to come. A little too "neat" on the disposal of all those agents, though.

I saw an ad (single image; group shot) for this on the Netflix homepage & that was more than enough to keep me away. How ridiculous.

That's fair.

[Andrew NDB]

Finally renewed for season 3.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/umbrella-academy-renewed-for-season-three/?fbclid=IwAR0UXoCKTA4FcOPb6pBAWxgkLZojVnlqWFUp70uu nbT0t896WAL9T3NKtS4

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/netflix/the_umbrella_academy/the-umbrella-academy-and-x-men-the-last-stand-star-elliot-page-ellen-page-comes-out-as-trans-a180510#gs.mce5nu

Ellen Page is now Elliot Page.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/netflix/the_umbrella_academy/the-umbrella-academy-and-x-men-the-last-stand-star-elliot-page-ellen-page-comes-out-as-trans-a180510#gs.mce5nu

Ellen Page is now Elliot Page.

Wasn't it like 2 years ago she made the big "I'm a lesbian!" announcement? Maybe in 2 more years she can reveal she is a secretly a terrier, when she needs attention again.

And lol... what does this mean for Umbrella Academy season 3? Do they have to roll with this creatively, or do they have to "force" her to be a her?

[CyberCubed]

Man I hope Naughty Dog doesn't take inspiration from this and make Ellie a transgender man if they make The Last of us Part 3 on PS5.

Ellie was modeled after Ellen Page after all.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Wasn't it like 2 years ago she made the big "I'm a lesbian!" announcement? Maybe in 2 more years she can reveal she is a secretly a terrier, when she needs attention again.

And lol... what does this mean for Umbrella Academy season 3? Do they have to roll with this creatively, or do they have to "force" her to be a her?

I don't know if it was as recent as 2 years ago, but I think that's partly because a lot of viewers already assumed Page was a lesbian.

I don't care what Page does or who he (she) is (was), but I do wonder what it means for Umbrella Academy season 3, same as you. The show already made Vanya a lesbian because Page was a lesbian, which didn't really go against the comics (to my memory) but also seemed to smack of actress direction.

I'd hate for Vanya to become Victor in the show. Not only would it feel very forced (the equivalent of making Sulu a gay man because Takei is gay), but I think it would actually send a NEGATIVE message.

I mean, look how fvcked up Vanya is. If Vanya becomes Victor, it seems all too easy to point to her becoming him as a direct result of prolonged trauma and abuse. Not sure that's a helpful message for LGBTQ representation?

Dunno. I'd be very interested to hear a transgender fan's thoughts on the subject.

[Andrew NDB]

You just know it will be made into a "teachable moment" in the show (the rise of Victor).

[Roseangelo]

I feel like, as a professional actor, he should be able to act as a she for the screen. Whether or not this actually happens, who knows.

[Leo656]

You ever notice how often something like this happens with an actor who got into the business young and ended up receiving lots of unwanted attention from creeps at a young age? Like they don't always come out and say they're transgender but at a lot of them end up saying they're lesbians once they reach a certain age. Jodie Foster, Mara Wilson, Page, I'm sure there's several more...

I'm no psychologist but there's got to be some kind of a link there. Like it's a defense mechanism or something. I'm sure Dr. Drew could figure it out but he'd probably get yelled at for trying to explain it.

[Andrew NDB]

I feel like, as a professional actor, he should be able to act as a she for the screen. Whether or not this actually happens, who knows.

It won't. If for no other reason than they'd be afraid of getting flak from Twitter and pink haired people about how the producers are oppressing Page by forcing her to play a girl even though she's a man now.

[frank_one]

Do you think this will end her/his career? I mean, will we ever see this new Elliot guy getting a major role in a big movie?

[TigerClaw]

Do you think this will end her/his career? I mean, will we ever see this new Elliot guy getting a major role in a big movie?
I doubt it. He will still get roles that would fit who he is. Elliot Page can get roles that don't define the characters being either He or She.

[Andrew NDB]

If I had to guess... a small, short spike in roles by indie filmmakers looking to both congratulate Page and be "bold and brave" in welcoming Page to new films (capitalizing on this) and such while this news remains relevant.

Beyond that, nada. Page won't be getting cast anymore as third stringers in Nolan movies or anything. Who knows... maybe Feige will find her some role in the new X-Men stuff. But I anticipate a lot of angry speeches to come about Hollywood.

[frank_one]

It is a bit disturbing to see how quickly her Wikipedia page was updated to reflect her new status.

[AquaParade]

Should have gone with "Elvis Page".

[Sumac]

Eh, so either she needs attention or she genuinely got drunk so much on SJW juice so it'd driven her insane.

Big loss, she was cute. I hope she won't completely mutilate herself into Frankenstein's monster with a fake dick.

What makes me depressed about this is that I bet there are a lot of young women and girls looking yup to her and they will go in her steps ruining their health and lives.

Oh, well. Any insanity, be it ideological or religious ends sooner or later. And next generations will just count bodies.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Oh, well. Any insanity, be it ideological or religious ends sooner or later. And next generations will just count bodies.

You know, you'd think that would happen. But it sure doesn't seem to actually work that way.

When's the last time a major worldwide religion took a head dive? Christianity (Protestant and Catholic), Judaism, Islam, and Buddhism, to name the ones I'm most familiar with, are all still alive and kicking hundreds to thousands of years later.

[CyberCubed]

Aren't you technically not trans until you undergo an operation to become the opposite gender? I admit I'm no expert on these things, but declaring yourself trans means nothing until you literally have a penis attached to you.

[sdp]

It's going to make it really awkward for me to watch this movie again now
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51ajBMqwq6L._SY445_.jpg
Or does this new news make this a sequel to this?
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Man, it's going to be even more awkward to fap to the nude scenes from the game "beyond: two souls" scanned model now, I mean would that technically mean I'm gay now?

Ellen Page explored legal action against Sony after nude video-game images leaked online.
Ellen Page has never appeared nude in a film. She did, however, appear nude in a video game.
As a result Page explored legal action, emails from the Sony email breach show, according to the WikiLeaks archive of leaked Sony emails.

The game, "Beyond: Two Souls," and it's exclusive to the PlayStation 3. In one scene, Page's character takes a shower. Her character model is never shown fully nude, nor is it possible to manipulate the game's camera to see her naked character.

So the image of a naked Page exists in the game's code, but isn't accessible by players. But if "Beyond: Two Souls" is run on what is known as a "debug" PlayStation 3, which is typically available only to game developers and journalists and lets you see content buried in a game's code, players can see Page naked. Which is to say, yes, of course, images of a naked Ellen Page from "Beyond: Two Souls" are very much available online
According to the leaked emails, Page's legal team got in touch with Sony, and eventually Sony Computer Entertainment America, the PlayStation arm of Sony. By the time it got to SCEA, Page's attorney was talking legal action.

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[FredWolfLeonardo]

You know, you'd think that would happen. But it sure doesn't seem to actually work that way.

When's the last time a major worldwide religion took a head dive? Christianity (Protestant and Catholic), Judaism, Islam, and Buddhism, to name the ones I'm most familiar with, are all still alive and kicking hundreds to thousands of years later.

All except for Islam are set to decline for the future.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Aren't you technically not trans until you undergo an operation to become the opposite gender? I admit I'm no expert on these things, but declaring yourself trans means nothing until you literally have a penis attached to you.

Or removed, as the case may be.

All except for Islam are set to decline for the future.

Sure, maybe. But over how long? Decades or centuries?

[Andrew NDB]

Aren't you technically not trans until you undergo an operation to become the opposite gender? I admit I'm no expert on these things, but declaring yourself trans means nothing until you literally have a penis attached to you.

The current think is that -- say if you're a dude -- all you have to do is one day (whether you're 5 years old or 50) wake up and say, "I'm a woman," and that's that. No surgeries needed, no nothing. You should be 100% taken at your word that you were born into the wrong body and if anyone says otherwise they're a bigot and probably a fascist nazi.

[sdp]

So it's retroactive? Imagine you see this person:
https://64.media.tumblr.com/720f3ccab821c33e382c22739dc78a07/tumblr_p3q671tzHh1wl803zo1_250.jpg
You have sex with them, he had a vagina. Years later you find out he is trans and was trans all her life. Did you actually have gay sex?
These are important questions that you can't ask without having your notifications blow up.

[Leo656]

What I find interesting, is that the "You Are What You Say You Are" phenomenon ONLY applies to this one type of situation.

I swear to God I'm not trolling, I'm just saying. If I say "I FEEL like a little kid" they'll still throw me out of the McDonald's Play Place because it doesn't matter what I "identify" as, they don't let guys pushing 40 in the ball pit. And THAT is an entirely separate issue that needs to be addressed at another time.

Or like, I've seen documentary shows about people who "identify" as tigers or birds or whatever, and the material treats them with respect but when people watch and comment on these shows, it's 100% people saying "What a loon."

But I mean, the grown-up in the ball pit most likely isn't hurting anyone. Neither is the guy who gets tattoos all over his body and "whiskers" implanted in his face. They're "living their best life".

So the broad point I'm trying to make is, why exactly are those people "clearly crazy" and openly derided and mocked, but with issues of human sexuality, "You are whatever you say you are?" That literally makes no sense. There's no consistency of standard, here. But it really is the exact same thing if you break it down.

It's just odd. Not only did nobody ever post "The Rules", they seemingly change by the day and it's all very confusing to try and keep up with.

[Jester]

Sad thing is there are people who WILL use the "You are whatever you say you are" to hurt people.
Guys like this come to mind:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3356084/I-ve-gone-child-Husband-father-seven-52-leaves-wife-kids-live-transgender-SIX-YEAR-OLD-girl-named-Stefonknee.html

[CyberCubed]

So it's retroactive? Imagine you see this person:
https://64.media.tumblr.com/720f3ccab821c33e382c22739dc78a07/tumblr_p3q671tzHh1wl803zo1_250.jpg
You have sex with them, he had a vagina. Years later you find out he is trans and was trans all her life. Did you actually have gay sex?
These are important questions that you can't ask without having your notifications blow up.

So out of curiosity how do they drain away the boobs to give you a flat male chest? Obviously in Ellen Page's case her breasts are small to begin with, but for women with sizeable C and D cup breasts, how do they "drain away the boobies" to give them male chests?

It would be like popping a balloon with a pin.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So out of curiosity how do they drain away the boobs to give you a flat male chest? Obviously in Ellen Page's case her breasts are small to begin with, but for women with sizeable C and D cup breasts, how do they "drain away the boobies" to give them male chests?

It would be like popping a balloon with a pin.

They don't drain, man, they cut. It's called a mastectomy, like for breast cancer.

Or at least, that'd be my best guess.

[Autbot_Benz]

Fandom
@getFANDOM
Elliot Page will continue playing Vanya Hargreeves on 'The Umbrella Academy' — Netflix is currently updating Page's credits in all of his titles on the streamer

(via
@THR
| http://bit.ly/3qgqnTH)

[frank_one]

She can go by Elliot or Joe if she wants, but I hope she won't touch her body, she doesn't need to. A short hairdo, less makeup and a t-shirt, that's all she needs.

[Sumac]

You know, you'd think that would happen. But it sure doesn't seem to actually work that way.

When's the last time a major worldwide religion took a head dive? Christianity (Protestant and Catholic), Judaism, Islam, and Buddhism, to name the ones I'm most familiar with, are all still alive and kicking hundreds to thousands of years later.
Christianity was nerfed and made apologies for years of **** they did. Judaism and Buddhism are not that powerful and basically confined to small groups of people anyway (relative to the population). Islam degenerated into who knows what and is the very big problem.

Aren't you technically not trans until you undergo an operation to become the opposite gender? I admit I'm no expert on these things, but declaring yourself trans means nothing until you literally have a penis attached to you.
Transcult gonna eat you, if you try to make this clear.
The thing - they don't care and change rules arbitrary depending on what they want at the moment, from "all who says they are woman is a woman" to "women are not a biology, but we have a specific set of requirements, because, we are women".
It's a mess.

Sure, maybe. But over how long? Decades or centuries?
Depends what leaders of Islamic countries would want: total war against Europe and US or more civilized societies. It's all about money in the end, bar intervention from other countries.
Considering China I think they might stick by their "values" (in reality to maintain absolute power). But I don't think it'll last for long. Society of rabid zealots can't exist indefinitely - it burns out at some point.

So the broad point I'm trying to make is, why exactly are those people "clearly crazy" and openly derided and mocked, but with issues of human sexuality, "You are whatever you say you are?" That literally makes no sense. There's no consistency of standard, here. But it really is the exact same thing if you break it down.

It's just odd. Not only did nobody ever post "The Rules", they seemingly change by the day and it's all very confusing to try and keep up with.
There are no exact rules, because, if they make "exact" rules, it suddenly would be obvious that half of transcultists are nothing, but deranged pretenders.

Also, what kind of name "Vanya" is? "Vanya" is a cutesy form of a Russian name "Ivan" ("John") used only for men here.

[Andrew NDB]

The "Sparrows" for season 3 are cast:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/umbrella-academy-casts-five-sparrows/

[Andrew NDB]

Elliot Page talks about struggles:

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/elliot-page-endured-panic-attacks-over-gender-issues-while-promoting-juno-inception/1100-6490866/

[Sumac]

Poor thing. It must be hard to live in a world, where everything reminds you that your identity is a fictitious fabrication, created only by EGO and mental illness.

A definition of First World Problems.

Anyway...

[Andrew NDB]

So now we have the answer. Unless there is some multiversal trickery afoot... this may be the first example of a fiction changing itself midway to suit the actor's identity:

https://movieweb.com/umbrella-academy-season-3-viktor-hargreeves-elliot-page/?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1648606532

[Sumac]

Idiocy.
I can imagine some "gender-liquid-queer folx" using this, just inflate their egos.

[Andrew NDB]

It goes one episode before it becomes the "Vanya becomes Victor" show.

[Jester]

And all it really took was a hair cut and a name change.

[Sumac]

And all it really took was a hair cut and a name change.
But she is now a totally changed human! :lol:

[mrmaczaps]

But she is now a totally changed human! :lol:

Unless someone checks her dna...

[IndigoErth]

Uh...what. So we're just never even going to attempt to address why Reggie is an alien, why he's even on Earth, or why there was a floating sentient cube as #7?? Okay...

And ultimately the whole deal was...because he wanted his wife back. Uhh. But she was clearly ill, so I'm not sure how resetting the universe would not only get her back, but cure her. Or why an alien was in love with her to begin with. (Unless they're both aliens in disguise.)

Wedding... obvious set up for yet another loss, a theme that was wearing thin at that point, imo.

And then of course there is Victor... I get that the actor is trans and maybe Netflix took it as an opportunity for inclusion by changing the character, but given how Vanya is just a fictional character I sort of feel like Page, who by then was used to playing her, could have stuck it out and finished up the series or had the character killed off this season before no longer taking female roles.

Because... my only real complaints with this show since the start (though I'm sure the comic is probably to blame) has been the minimal representation of female characters in the Umbrella Academy -- as well their powers being unabashedly based on female stereotypes (gossip and powers that are, or were initially, ruled by emotions) -- annnnd then frickin' Vanya decides to stop being one, cutting it down to just Allison...who is being handicapped and unpredictable and an in-group "bad guy" by way of emotions due to the devastating fact that her daughter no longer exists and her family really couldn't care less. The Sparrows added more women, but that team sucked as people and most died.

Kind of hoping it might continue, since old man Five would still happen and it's left unknown what even happens for them now. Allison seems to be the only one with an actual life waiting for her with both her kid and husband she left in the past. What the heck is everyone else even going to do, they don't have normal lives to return to or know where they belong. Sloane may well exist somewhere in the world, but good luck to Luther trying to find her and not mess it up and freak her out if he did. Kind of feel like the damn rich guy alien owes them assistance to get on their feet as regular people. After all they gave for his quest just for him to leave them effed up and short changed in life.

All that out of the way though, Klaus is the biggest bright spot, imo. Generally, I wouldn't be taking up some drug user as a favorite, but the evolution of his character has been interesting and fun to watch.

[Andrew NDB]

So yeah. I did finish this up a couple nights ago. After the first maybe 3 or 4 episodes I was pretty well invested in the story. It's a stronger season than the last one for sure, and less preachy about this or that (though they still manage to sneak in some stuff, of course). As the apocalypse was getting closer and closer things did get decidedly creepy. And in the alternate dimension hotel.

Well done, all around.

Uh...what. So we're just never even going to attempt to address why Reggie is an alien, why he's even on Earth,

I'm sure that's coming next season, given what season 4 would appear to resemble.

And then of course there is Victor... I get that the actor is trans and maybe Netflix took it as an opportunity for inclusion by changing the character, but given how Vanya is just a fictional character I sort of feel like Page, who by then was used to playing her, could have stuck it out and finished up the series or had the character killed off this season before no longer taking female roles.

I have to wonder what the behind the scenes talk was. Was it her going to the producers and telling them, "Hey, I'm Elliot now and I'm not comfortable playing a woman anymore" or was it the producers going to her preemptively with, "Hi, Elliot! We're super proud of your coming out as trans so we've taken the liberty of re-writing the character in season 3 to be a trans man, like you!"*

If it's the former, f*** her, she's an actress. Playing made up parts. Recast and move on. If it's the latter, f*** them. This is not the way it's supposed to work. If Benedict Cumberbatch reveals he's become a vegan that doesn't mean go and make Dr. Strange into one, too. That's retarded on its face.

*: Also, isn't what they did kind of "problematic" to trans people? As in, lots of mental health issues and wishy washy (I'm a lesbian now! Now I'm a transexual! etc.)?

Kind of hoping it might continue, since old man Five would still happen

He'll have to lose his arm again, if that's the case.

All that out of the way though, Klaus is the biggest bright spot, imo. Generally, I wouldn't be taking up some drug user as a favorite, but the evolution of his character has been interesting and fun to watch.

Yeah, he was oddly amusing to watch this season. Also it's hard not to enjoy watching Lila. That actress really seems to light up and have a lot of fun with the material. The biggest fumble, I think, is how Harlan was handled. I dug the surprise twist of who he is but the stuff about him killing all the moms and then getting killed himself was pretty sudden and random and didn't really have any payoff. When we see him in the trunk it was presented in such a matter-of-fact way that I was assuming that it can't be real. And then it's barely brought up again.

I just noticed the guy who plays Elliott on Breaking Bad is the Pogo actor. Huh.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, the whole thing with Harlen was a stretch. Somehow was the one who killed all of their mothers, despite no reason to be connected to anyone other than Vanya. Somehow seems to have additional powers beyond Vanya even though she'd given it to him in the first place, and had taken (most of) it back. And somehow gained speech and better cognitive function, totally unexplained... And of course Allison just kills him like it's a nonissue....damn girl, wtf. Hopefully he also got to return and go back to a life before having powers.

Honestly, if Elliot Page was no longer comfortable playing a female character, having Harlen kill only Vanya's mother would have been a way to remove the character from the series.


Also... what's with the steering wheels seen on the wrong side of cars. Is this supposed to be some sign of being in a "wrong" time line?

[frank_one]

(S)he's an actress/actor, why can't (s)he play the role of a woman while being or thinking to be a man?

[Andrew NDB]

(S)he's an actress/actor, why can't (s)he play the role of a woman while being or thinking to be a man?

That's what I'm saying. And whether it's them preemptively changing Vanya to Victor to be sensitive to her situation or it's Page telling them she's not down with playing a woman anymore... either way it's f***ed up and stupid and the wrong move, period.

Yeah, the whole thing with Harlen was a stretch. Somehow was the one who killed all of their mothers, despite no reason to be connected to anyone other than Vanya.

Yeah, I don't get it. Better to just leave it a mystery than to do this non-thing.

Somehow seems to have additional powers beyond Vanya even though she'd given it to him in the first place, and had taken (most of) it back. And somehow gained speech and better cognitive function, totally unexplained... And of course Allison just kills him like it's a nonissue....damn girl, wtf. Hopefully he also got to return and go back to a life before having powers.

Could very well be what happens there. But... do we really need him? Do we want him?

Honestly, if Elliot Page was no longer comfortable playing a female character, having Harlen kill only Vanya's mother would have been a way to remove the character from the series.

That would have been a fine out for her. And actually you could just about remove Vanya and Harlan from the season and you wouldn't lose too much.

Also... what's with the steering wheels seen on the wrong side of cars. Is this supposed to be some sign of being in a "wrong" time line?

I didn't notice that.

[Sumac]

If it's the former, f*** her, she's an actress. Playing made up parts. Recast and move on. If it's the latter, f*** them. This is not the way it's supposed to work. If Benedict Cumberbatch reveals he's become a vegan that doesn't mean go and make Dr. Strange into one, too. That's retarded on its face.
She is an attention whore. Probably mental.
At least that's my default stance, when famous people "reveal" such stuff about themselves.

(S)he's an actress/actor, why can't (s)he play the role of a woman while being or thinking to be a man?
Ellen is crazy and / or attention whoring and creators of the series are glad to help her, since it will let them score additional points from Twatter.

If she was "normal" (as far as trans can be normal anyway), she'd continue to play a role with no issues. Or, ideally, I'd expect producers to kick her out for ****ing up a character.

[ProphetofGanja]

Just popping in for the obligatory reminder that this show is hot, stylistic garbage set to a begrudgingly decent soundtrack and the original comics are better (albeit weirder).

And I'm out!

https://c.tenor.com/GXvYgMb0HCEAAAAC/disappear-disappearing.gif

[superstaff]

Just popping in for the obligatory reminder that this show is hot, stylistic garbage set to a begrudgingly decent soundtrack and the original comics are better (albeit weirder).

And I'm out!

https://c.tenor.com/GXvYgMb0HCEAAAAC/disappear-disappearing.gif

More or less my thoughts, even before the Vanya-Elliot stuff. I watched season 1, and was incredibly underwhelmed. I didn't hate it, just thought it was an overall bore. I mostly just liked Sheehan and Page's performances, and was lukewarm to the others even though I thought they had potential. It seems the show got worse as it went along.

[Andrew NDB]

Renewed for fourth and FINAL season:

https://tvline.com/2022/08/25/the-umbrella-academy-renewed-final-season-4-netflix/?fbclid=IwAR1Z8tTAW537frNW2uISF3g95jU8ImL5dOsabDDd 6_VPBGEgBIYtxMYmm0E

[Andrew NDB]

So the final season is out. Anybody watch it?

[IndigoErth]

Not yet, presently rewatching it from the start as a refresher first.

[CyberCubed]

Watched the end, they basically use time travel to reboot the entire universe to stop all the alternate timelines from happening. Since every time they jump a new apocalypse will keep starting one after another, so I guess it is fitting.

A lot of characters were underused in this final season, granted it was only 6 eps long, but still Diego and Luthor barely got anything to do. Allison also didn't do much the final season either. 5 and Lila were a weird odd couple and Klaus is basically just entertaining as usual. Victor/Vanya is meh as usual.

I guess it's as fitting an ending as this show could get.

[Andrew NDB]

I've seen a lot of people mad about this season online. I finished episode 3 last night and it seems OK. Not as frenetic and weird as earlier seasons, but I'm good with that. Got a few good chuckles out of me so far.

[CyberCubed]

I swear Ellen/Eliot Page is the worst actor on this show. In all 4 seasons she/he has the same bland expression on her face no matter who she is talking to, even when she's angry or trying to show emotion. Every other actor actual emotes and shows emotion, Vanya/Victor is bland.

Kind of baffling since I heard Ellen Page was this amazing actress and the only thing I've seen of her prior is in the X-men movies so I don't have much to judge her on.

[Andrew NDB]

Finished the series finale. That's their ending? Ending it with a big suicide pact with all of them? What is it with wacky leftists ending their shows like this? "The Good Place" did the same thing out of nowhere. Also, clearly the writers had just freshly played through the game "Scorn." These writers... they couldn't come with anything better than "They all kill themselves so it can all go back to normal" after all these years? These guys are hacks.

I swear Ellen/Eliot Page is the worst actor on this show. In all 4 seasons she/he has the same bland expression on her face no matter who she is talking to, even when she's angry or trying to show emotion. Every other actor actual emotes and shows emotion, Vanya/Victor is bland.

Kind of baffling since I heard Ellen Page was this amazing actress and the only thing I've seen of her prior is in the X-men movies so I don't have much to judge her on.

Juno was good. Vanya was interesting in season 1... and never since.

[CyberCubed]

It's basically implied that they're all re-born under the same timeline, and will eventually meet with each other again.

[Andrew NDB]

It's basically implied that they're all re-born under the same timeline, and will eventually meet with each other again.

In the same way if I'm reborn if reincarnation is real. Meanwhile I'm still dead and who I am is still gone and whoever I will become won't be the same person.

[IndigoErth]

Finished it last night. Was okay, not that strong of an ending though.

I really wish they stopped making Allison such an asshole. I get in the previous season she was dealing with stuff, but she got what she wanted (though it was dumb to say her 2nd husband walked out on them to dismiss the actor not being present), so what has she even got to be so bitchy about now? And Vanya/Viktor could not possibly be more annoying and bland once the Vanya ark finished up, and just kept on being unlikeable. We get it, you were scarred as a kid, that doesn't mean you need to make sour grapes your default.

And funny isn't it... how once Viktor was no longer a girl, the emotion-based aspect of her/his power and an inability to control it for being "too emotional" kind of vanished. As a female viewer that's a tad insulting. (Was annoying enough to lose out on already too few female members of the main cast. At least I guess Lila lost the villain angle and was more part of the group this last season.)


Klaus remains my favorite, though I wish he got to do a bit more. I was afraid this season was his turn to be annoying, but at least that didn't stick.

What is up with the new/changed powers? Lila... super random laser eyes. And why was Klaus' added ability levitation/flight, that's barely even touched on, rather than... I dunno, resurrecting people?

Had hoped they'd go more into the alien backstory. Likewise why the hell Jennifer ended up in a squid.




Here's one thing bugging me though... They had to be scarified and give back that "Marigold" stuff in them because their existence is what fractured the timeline to begin with, right?

When this series (at least the Netflix version) started, they said that 43 kids were born and Hargreeves adopted 7. Don't the others play a part in fracturing the timeline, too, and need to be sacrificed to actually resolve it?

[Andrew NDB]

I really wish they stopped making Allison such an asshole.

I think she must have been quietly pregnant IRL during this season. They bundle her up in tons of clothes in EVERY shot of every scene and she looks fairly bloated and they never ask much of her. She doesn't even do "I heard a rumor" once, it's barely even teased.

The sad part is it looks like they made the Diego actor wear baggy clothes and fat stuff underneath them so as to make her "not alone" in that. There's even fat jokes to that end. And then he's obviously not actually fat in the shirtless CIA fight scene, so they must have just stopped bothering with the ruse.

Here's one thing bugging me though... They had to be scarified and give back that "Marigold" stuff in them because their existence is what fractured the timeline to begin with, right?

When this series (at least the Netflix version) started, they said that 43 kids were born and Hargreeves adopted 7. Don't the others play a part in fracturing the timeline, too, and need to be sacrificed to actually resolve it?

Yep, that's a good point. And the "they fractured the timeline" is just a retcon they're introducing this season. There wasn't any alternate timelines until the very end of season 1.

[CyberCubed]

That's the thing, in this final season they were in yet another new timeline, yet Allison's daughter still exists. So some things carry over? Same reason Sloane mysteriously vanished from the end of Season 3 despite traveling through the portal (the writers did say they would use her if this season got 10 eps like the others), and how did Ray appear from the 1960's to 2019/2020? He was the same age so did he travel through time or something.

All those Number 5's in the cafe already imply this happened hundreds/thousands of times already anyway, so this isn't even the original version of all the characters. We met like the 500th incarnation or something.

As for Klaus, anyone surprised we went all 4 seasons without him being in a homosexual relationship? There were only some flashbacks in season 1, but despite his character being what could have been a "flaming homo" they didn't give him a love interest all series. Even most of his cult followers in the 60's were all female. And the only time he sleeps with anyone is women, like that black woman with him this season.

[Xav]

Here's one thing bugging me though... They had to be scarified and give back that "Marigold" stuff in them because their existence is what fractured the timeline to begin with, right?

When this series (at least the Netflix version) started, they said that 43 kids were born and Hargreeves adopted 7. Don't the others play a part in fracturing the timeline, too, and need to be sacrificed to actually resolve it?In this new timeline, the marigold was never released so they didn't get infected. Though I do wonder why the marigold in the other timelines didn't need to be destroyed as well.

[IndigoErth]

They're probably perpetually screwed either way. Did you guys catch the post-credits scene?

A bunch of actual Merigolds magically spouted up in a matter of seconds at the very end, at the base of the tree seen before the credits, and started shedding that stuff all over again. The number of flowers maybe not a coincidence?

https://i.imgur.com/dnZPt3j.jpg


As for Klaus, anyone surprised we went all 4 seasons without him being in a homosexual relationship? There were only some flashbacks in season 1, but despite his character being what could have been a "flaming homo" they didn't give him a love interest all series. Even most of his cult followers in the 60's were all female. And the only time he sleeps with anyone is women, like that black woman with him this season.
You forgot about his Vietnam soldier boyfriend, Dave, who died in his arms, huh? And the younger Dave who he was later making uncomfortable by trying to convince him not to enlist, but ultimately Klaus can't change that.

[Andrew NDB]

They're probably perpetually screwed either way. Did you guys catch the post-credits scene?

Yeah, but it wasn't really anything. Someone probably realized late into things that they probably shouldn't end on such a needlessly dire note so they decided "we need to do SOMETHING!" Even if it's bullsh**.