How long do you think ROTTMNT will last?

[Gin Rummy]

With the new show coming out later this year I have noticed a growing sentiment of unease among the more "hardcore" members of the community. Tons of people are mad about some of the design choices for the new show, some are mad about various changes the new show will make to the characters.

My question to the forum is, how long do you think ROTTMNT will last?

My bet is that the show will be lucky to make it past Season 2. The show just screams that Nick is cashing out their chips on the TMNT brand. Ringing out the last pennies they can squeeze from advertisers and fans alike. If Nick was truly behind ROTTMNT they would have sat on it for 3-4 years at least. 2012 TMNT's ratings were tanking towards the end of it's run. Shows like these have proven to be cyclical.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

3 seasons at the very least but I think a 5 season run like the Nick show is perfectly possible.

[sdp]

I think it has everything set against it, I"m guessing a season or two if they really want to give it a chance and if we're very lucky 3. No way it lasts as long as 2012.

[IndigoErth]

Likewise, 3 comes to mind. The first two to do what they want, a third to try to improve on it and increase ratings, and if that doesn't work, well...


Unless it sucks but somehow does spectacularly, leaving us with zero hope for humanity. And Turtlekind.

[Gin Rummy]

3 seasons at the very least but I think a 5 season run like the Nick show is perfectly possible.

I could see a third season if production isn't crazy expensive and the toys sell well enough, but 5 seasons seems a tad far fetched to me..

The problem this show is going to run into is that the audience Turtles had from 2012 isn't coming back. Not due to the changes this show makes, but due to the fact that they have aged out of the property. This more "kid friendly" version is not going to attract teenagers, and TMNT won't be cool to the little brother who emulates the elder.

That is the importance of sitting on shows like this. Time has a way of rejuvenating old properties.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

No more than four seasons.

I don't see this doing as well as the previous show. 2 seasons guaranteed, increasing decline season 3, limping season 4.

[victory_angel]

A lot of what’s being offered is not was is the norm for the franchise such as Leo being the second youngest instead of the oldest, Raph being the leader now instead of Leo. Or because magic will be more of a thing in the series now then previous incarnations. And people are quick to say it will suck because of they don’t like or trust those changes.

There have been things that haven’t worked in the past, and there have been somethings that have been dead out of the gate. But before completely disregarding it or saying it sucks let it play out first. It still might not turn out to be your idea of the Turtles or even your version, but it might have some things that are actually interesting. Or even concepts that you might not mind seeing in a future incarnation. After all we are not the people this show is being made for, we’ve had our time on the Turtle Train and we’ve grown up. A new generation of TMNT fans are being introduced to this series and they will take it as they will. There will be some who like it, some who don’t, some who are indifferent, and a number who would feel the previous versions were better.

Then maybe five to twenty years down the road there will be a new version of the series will be introduced and that will be recieved in its own way. What really matters is what has TMNT meant to us? And then ask ourselves, how can I make a version of TMNT as I see it?

[Gin Rummy]

A lot of what’s being offered is not was is the norm for the franchise such as Leo being the second youngest instead of the oldest, Raph being the leader now instead of Leo. Or because magic will be more of a thing in the series now then previous incarnations. And people are quick to say it will suck because of they don’t like or trust those changes.

There have been things that haven’t worked in the past, and there have been somethings that have been dead out of the gate. But before completely disregarding it or saying it sucks let it play out first. It still might not turn out to be your idea of the Turtles or even your version, but it might have some things that are actually interesting. Or even concepts that you might not mind seeing in a future incarnation. After all we are not the people this show is being made for, we’ve had our time on the Turtle Train and we’ve grown up. A new generation of TMNT fans are being introduced to this series and they will take it as they will. There will be some who like it, some who don’t, some who are indifferent, and a number who would feel the previous versions were better.

Then maybe five to twenty years down the road there will be a new version of the series will be introduced and that will be recieved in its own way.

I make a point not to question the quality of a show until I have seen it. I am merely questioning Nick's decision to release a show so soon after the last one had finished it's run.
It was no secret that TMNT 2012's ratings had mostly fallen off a cliff after the third season.
ROTTMNT could be a great show, But the deck is seemingly stacked against it being a success.

[TurtleWA]

My prediction is that we will be getting another show in 2023.

[CyberCubed]

5 seasons. It's pretty likely Nick intends to give every new series a 5 year run. I don't think it will bomb, people fail to realize literally millions of kids are born every year and the kids watching this show will never have seen the 2012 series.

[newfan]

Will Nick be airing this properly?
It stands a chance of lasting, kids will take it it, the toys look ok too.
I'd say 3-5 maybe.

[Vicky82]

If it's bad and the toys don't sell well, I think 2 seasons.

If it's really good show then I think 5 seasons.

[TigerClaw]

It will probably go 5 seasons like the 2012 series if they can maintain its viewership. Teen Titans Go debuted since 2013 and its currently in its 4th Season.

There are a lot of fans out there that are on the fence on this one. They aren't sure about it due to it being aimed at a much younger audience. You can look at the same with Teen Titans Go. And that series is still going strong. So much so that they are turning that into a movie.

Let's all hope for the best and this new series turns out better then we expect it.

[Candy Kappa]

5 seasons, I don't think whiny fanboys are gonna make anything happen with the show. Should it not go well with kids, 4 seasons.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Everything from 1-3. In worst cases, this is the "Next Mutation of the late-2010's". But it's too early to say yet.

[neatoman]

One if it tanks in the ratings and/or toy sales. More toy sales than ratings.
Two if does moderately well in one.
Three if does moderately well in both toy sales and ratings.
Four-Five if it somewhat exceeds expectations in toy sales.
More if it's an actual success in both ratings and toy sales.

[sdp]

5 seasons. It's pretty likely Nick intends to give every new series a 5 year run. I don't think it will bomb, people fail to realize literally millions of kids are born every year and the kids watching this show will never have seen the 2012 series.

Shows that deviate too much or try new things don't usually succeed, take a look at Transformers G2, New Adventures of He-Man, The Next Mutation, New Adventures of Speed Racer, Voltron The Third Dimension, these all came out to a new audience of kids who didn't accept those franchises.

[neatoman]

Transformers G2

Isn't that just the first Transformers cartoon with some overly elaborate transitions edited in?
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[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

New Adventures of He-Man

Competing with the TMNT during the Turtlemania peak years probably wasn't easy for that series.

[newfan]

Also, wouldn't it be much cheaper to make if the eps are half the time (if that is true)

[shredder orokusaki]

it will last as long as it takes me to kill turtles and splinter

[Gin Rummy]

Shows that deviate too much or try new things don't usually succeed, take a look at Transformers G2, New Adventures of He-Man, The Next Mutation, New Adventures of Speed Racer, Voltron The Third Dimension, these all came out to a new audience of kids who didn't accept those franchises.

Beware the Batman also comes to mind.

[sdp]

Yes beware the Batman is another good example.

I hope it gets a second season at least, if it does then we'll get 100 episodes of this show even if it's only 100 episodes.


Competing with the TMNT during the Turtlemania peak years probably wasn't easy for that series.

Old shows always have to compete with the new shows which is why these revivals fail if they're so soon after the previous version.

Isn't that just the first Transformers cartoon with some overly elaborate transitions edited in?
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Yes, it was the transformers of my generation basically, so yeah 90s kids outside of Beast Wars grew up with no transformers since this half-assed revival failed.

[CyberCubed]

A lot of those DC shows ended early because Cartoon Network are idiots and hate action shows. They canceled Young Justice for the same reason, and Justice League Action is seemingly over already as well. The last show that got a full run was Brave and the Bold and that's only because it came out back in 2008 when CN still aired action shows like it and Clone Wars, etc.

Nick really has no reason to do that since they went ahead and greenlit a new TMNT cartoon immediately after the previous one ended. To end it so soon would make no sense, and a waste of production time with all the new art, advertisements and creative teams that go with it.

[Cure]

A looooong time. This is following the same exact pattern as Teen Titans Go! before it was released, and that show is up to like 200 episodes. This show doesn't look like it's super expensive to make, either.

[ABrown]

Isn't that just the first Transformers cartoon with some overly elaborate transitions edited in?

Ironically, I've always felt the CGI at the beginning of it, looks like it would've made for a pretty cool G2 Transformers series.

Competing with the TMNT during the Turtlemania peak years probably wasn't easy for that series.

The New Adventures of He-Man didn't necessarily compete with the original TMNT cartoon. In the Chicago market it aired on the same channel. So if anything, the original TMNT series might've allowed for more people to be exposed to the the second He-Man cartoon, versus how many would've seen it otherwise.

it will last as long as it takes me to kill turtles and splinter

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A looooong time. This is following the same exact pattern as Teen Titans Go! before it was released, and that show is up to like 200 episodes. This show doesn't look like it's super expensive to make, either.

Yeah, there's absolutey no way of knowing yet what the lifespan of this series is going to be. We don't know yet how much we're going to like it, how many people are going to watch it, how well the toys will sell. WAY to soon to know.

[Powder]

With the new show coming out later this year I have noticed a growing sentiment of unease among the more "hardcore" members of the community.

If by "hardcore" you mean 1-version-only fans, & by "community" you mean Facebook/Tumblr, sure... Arguably it's this site best known for being hardcore, & Rise has been met by many an open mind here.

My question to the forum is, how long do you think ROTTMNT will last?

There is no way to know that. It looks like something that kids will like, & their vote matters more than yours or mine. If that demographic is happy, they'll have a respectable run. 30 year old men crying about their ruined childhoods do not matter. It is entirely possible that this show will perform poorly for being too different, but again, it will be many kids' first experience with TMNT (i.e. key viewers will have no bias) & we haven't even seen a second of animation yet. Not to mention if the (promising) toyline does well, this'll stick around.


My bet is that the show will be lucky to make it past Season 2. The show just screams that Nick is cashing out their chips on the TMNT brand. Ringing out the last pennies they can squeeze from advertisers and fans alike. If Nick was truly behind ROTTMNT they would have sat on it for 3-4 years at least. 2012 TMNT's ratings were tanking towards the end of it's run. Shows like these have proven to be cyclical.


& there it is. Thinly veiled hate thread. You clearly don't understand how the industry works, either.

[Xiewin]

I'm sure i'll be popular among kids, but that's not always an guarantee.

I can't get over the 11 minute run-time. It just sounds kind of lazy. I'm all open to changes but I dislike a blatant lack of effort. No time for character development or a nicely fleshed out story. When I watch a few episodes I hope i'll prove me wrong.

[Powder]

Like I said earlier, Adventure Time had tons of character development, lore, continuity, & it's an 11 minute per episode series. Relax for now. :trazz:

[Cure]

I loooove people jumping to conclusions about 11 minute episodes. They've clearly never seen Adventure Time, Steven Universe, or Phineas and Ferb. I'm not saying this show is guaranteed that caliber of quality, but there's no reason to automatically dismiss 11 minute episodes.

[PApagreg]

I'm sure i'll be popular among kids, but that's not always an guarantee.

I can't get over the 11 minute run-time. It just sounds kind of lazy. I'm all open to changes but I dislike a blatant lack of effort. No time for character development or a nicely fleshed out story. When I watch a few episodes I hope i'll prove me wrong.
There are shows like Steven Universe, Star vs, Adventure time, Hey Arnold and even Regular Show that have an 11 minute run time but have enough room for character development.
In fact this show is only 13 minutes long and it manages to fit so much content into one episode.

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On topic, I see this show either lasting short(at most 2 seasons) or a long time(8 seasons) no middle ground with these kinds of shows.

[CyberCubed]

Just curious, why is the 11 minute runtime so popular among kids shows these days? The last cartoons I watched, like Nick TMNT, Star Wars Clone Wars and Rebels, Young Justice, etc...all still used the traditional 22 minute episode length.

Did this basically become a thing after say 2013 or so?

[TurtleWA]

Short shows don’t bother me anymore. I watch all my shows on Hulu, Netflix and buying the seasons on DVD. I’m not even going to watch the new show until it’s on DVD or Netflix. I’m so use to binge watching that I can’t go back. I don’t mind spoilers either so it’s fine. It’s great that when an episode ends in a type of cliffhanger I can just keep watching. So 11 min is no problem when you have episode after episode to watch.

I hope this generation of TMNT fans that are kids are not use to the binge watching as I am. Other wise when episodes air ratings will be extremely poor. Hopefully though the Netflix, Hulu and DVD deals will be great enough so that the traditional ratings don’t even factor. Do companies even care about traditional ratings anymore?

[PApagreg]

Just curious, why is the 11 minute runtime so popular among kids shows these days? The last cartoons I watched, like Nick TMNT, Star Wars Clone Wars and Rebels, Young Justice, etc...all still used the traditional 22 minute episode length.

Did this basically become a thing after say 2013 or so?

What do you mean these days there were tons of shows with 11 minute run times the only difference is that instead of showing two of them at once networks(mostly CN) only show one.

[Gin Rummy]

If by "hardcore" you mean 1-version-only fans, & by "community" you mean Facebook/Tumblr, sure... Arguably it's this site best known for being hardcore, & Rise has been met by many an open mind here.



There is no way to know that. It looks like something that kids will like, & their vote matters more than yours or mine. If that demographic is happy, they'll have a respectable run. 30 year old men crying about their ruined childhoods do not matter. It is entirely possible that this show will perform poorly for being too different, but again, it will be many kids' first experience with TMNT (i.e. key viewers will have no bias) & we haven't even seen a second of animation yet. Not to mention if the (promising) toyline does well, this'll stick around.



& there it is. Thinly veiled hate thread. You clearly don't understand how the industry works, either.

:lol:

Hate? I don't hate anything about this new show. I have not seen it yet. Just asking a speculative question. ;)

[Coola Yagami]

It'll be 3-5 most likely. And I wouldn't be surprised if it was all new stuff.... but season 3 or so will be back to Shredder, Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady and Technodrome.

[CyberCubed]

As it should be.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

It's a Ninja Turtles cartoon, and considering all the support Nick has thrown at it while we barely know much about it, I'd be surprised if seasons two and three weren't greenlit already.

Beware the Batman also comes to mind.

What killed Beware the Batman was Cartoon Network's overall treatment of action cartoons, though. There were other action shows that were killed around that time.

[newfan]

I know once or twice when I was into an ep in the other show I found myself thinking 'over already?' but often the 22 minutes was adequate for what it was. Less than that? depends on the style I guess.

Being cheaper and faster to make (Not sure how much, some of you know a lot more about that) gives it a chance of lasting, even of the toy sales aren't fantastic. The toys look ok though, I can see kids wanting them.

[Shark_Blade]

4-5 Seasons probably, like Teen Titans Go! (which is still ongoing).

[sdp]

I don't want any returning characters, Shredder is fine because he's too big not to be used so I won't blame them but I hope he's only used sparringly and maybe made something of a huge threat, sort of like Slade after season 2 in Teen Titans.

I want all original characters and returning characters only the ones that have never returned before. We all got excited at characters like Mondo Gecko on the 2012 show since we hadn't seen them since the OT days. I don't want Mondo Gecko to return again, (I mean I do but) I'd rather have other OT mutants that didn't appear in any other incarnation since, The Next Mutation Rogues, some of those weird Mirage only villains, etc.

[CyberCubed]

I'm sure the major TMNT characters will return. You'll see Baxter, Leatherhead, Rat King, etc.

You probably won't see obscure mutants because the new show is going to have new mutants.

[Coola Yagami]

I'm sure the major TMNT characters will return. You'll see Baxter, Leatherhead, Rat King, etc.

You probably won't see obscure mutants because the new show is going to have new mutants.

The only obscure mutants left are whoever wasn't brought back in 2012. Like Hot Spot.

[sdp]

Hot Spot was only a toy but id love to see toy only mutants make appearances, and Im sure there are some mutants that were never in 2012 but only in the OT, I just cant name any off the top of my head

[ProphetofGanja]

I don't want any returning characters, Shredder is fine because he's too big not to be used so I won't blame them but I hope he's only used sparringly and maybe made something of a huge threat, sort of like Slade after season 2 in Teen Titans.

I want all original characters and returning characters only the ones that have never returned before. We all got excited at characters like Mondo Gecko on the 2012 show since we hadn't seen them since the OT days. I don't want Mondo Gecko to return again, (I mean I do but) I'd rather have other OT mutants that didn't appear in any other incarnation since, The Next Mutation Rogues, some of those weird Mirage only villains, etc.

I 100% agree with you on that point. I don't want to see the Shredder, I don't want to see Krang, I don't want to see Baxter Stockman, Karai, Bebop, Rocksteady, or any of the other usual TMNT villains. I want to see Baron Draxum and his band of mutants, and maybe a few returned obscure characters, like Dragon Lord from Next Mutation.

[Powder]

Put me on that list too. Let's get new & different, see what sticks.

[CyberCubed]

You will 100% see the Shredder, (in fact they already confirmed he's going to appear by saying "wait and see" in those interviews) and most likely other villains at some point. They're not going to make a whole new villain roster.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I 100% agree with you on that point. I don't want to see the Shredder, I don't want to see Krang, I don't want to see Baxter Stockman, Karai, Bebop, Rocksteady, or any of the other usual TMNT villains. I want to see Baron Draxum and his band of mutants, and maybe a few returned obscure characters, like Dragon Lord from Next Mutation.

The problems is only characters like Shredder, Krang-Kraang, Bebop, Rocksteady, Karai, Baxter Stockman, Leatherhead and the Rat King can carry entire seasons and series.

[shredder orokusaki]

The problems is only characters like Shredder, Krang-Kraang, Bebop, Rocksteady, Karai, Baxter Stockman, Leatherhead and the Rat King can carry entire seasons and series.
Only I can carry entire seasons and series. Stockman Karai Rocksteady and Bebop has betrayed me too many times. Like Stockman did in the 2003 series when he try 2 times to kill me and then he started working for Bishop. Most revent example is 2012 Bebop and Rocksteady who also betray me but Tigerclaw too. Same for Krang. He betrayed me i both the 1987 cartton and IDW.
Only i with my foot ninjas can carry the series.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Only I can carry entire seasons and series. Stockman Karai Rocksteady and Bebop has betrayed me too many times. Like Stockman did in the 2003 series when he try 2 times to kill me and then he started working for Bishop. Most revent example is 2012 Bebop and Rocksteady who also betray me but Tigerclaw too. Same for Krang. He betrayed me i both the 1987 cartton and IDW.
Only i with my foot ninjas can carry the series.

John Bishop could easally carry seasons, but not entire series. The Kraang as in the Nickelodeon series could carry an entire series, but not alone.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I'm sure the major TMNT characters will return. You'll see Baxter, Leatherhead, Rat King, etc.

You probably won't see obscure mutants because the new show is going to have new mutants.

Which I'm completely fine with. In all honesty, the new villains are what interests me the most about this show. Meat Sweats is a very unique and disturbing concept, looks like a combination of Professor Pyg and Clayface. The Origami Ninja looks very creative.

The villains you mentioned and Shredder are fine enough but everyone else I'd prefer not to show up. As there's no point trying to please those who only grew up with FW and the 90s films that left the property afterwards. I just want them to do their own thing and whether it turns out well or not, it'll still get my respect for differentiating itself from FW.

[CyberCubed]

The villains you mentioned and Shredder are fine enough but everyone else I'd prefer not to show up. As there's no point trying to please those who only grew up with FW and the 90s films that left the property afterwards. I just want them to do their own thing and whether it turns out well or not, it'll still get my respect for differentiating itself from FW.

The way I see it, the most iconic TMNT villains/characters who will probably show up at some point and are in almost every incarnation:

Shredder and the Foot
Karai
Baxter
Rat King
Leatherhead
Some form of Utroms, Krang, or the Kraang
Triceratons

They'll probably appear in the series at some point especially if the show goes on for multiple seasons. Everyone else is up in the air. I wonder if this series will be able to leave out Bebop/Rocksteady...but we'll see.

[Powder]

I wonder if this series will be able to leave out Bebop/Rocksteady...but we'll see.

Please, God. Please.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

The way I see it, the most iconic TMNT villains/characters who will probably show up at some point and are in almost every incarnation:

Shredder and the Foot
Karai
Baxter
Rat King
Leatherhead
Some form of Utroms, Krang, or the Kraang
Triceratons

They'll probably appear in the series at some point especially if the show goes on for multiple seasons. Everyone else is up in the air. I wonder if this series will be able to leave out Bebop/Rocksteady...but we'll see.

I just don't want them to be harassed by those who beg for FW characters to appear in the show.

[neatoman]

The way I see it, the most iconic TMNT villains/characters who will probably show up at some point and are in almost every incarnation:

Shredder and the Foot
Karai
Baxter
Rat King
Leatherhead
Some form of Utroms, Krang, or the Kraang
Triceratons

They'll probably appear in the series at some point especially if the show goes on for multiple seasons. Everyone else is up in the air. I wonder if this series will be able to leave out Bebop/Rocksteady...but we'll see.


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Certainly Krang, probably the Utroms and I seriously doubt the Kraang. The Kraang were such a dumb idea, trying to combine a character with his entire species is such a pointless change to make.
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As for Bebop and Rocksteady not showing up... I hope so, I don't like the idea of them being expected for every new version.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I think Bebop and Rocksteady could be just the names for two ordinary Purple Dragons, who stay human all the time.

[Coola Yagami]

I think Bebop and Rocksteady could be just the names for two ordinary Purple Dragons, who stay human all the time.

Assuming we'll even have Purple Dragons that is.

[wpugh2424]

Why would anyone want rock and bebop to be left out? They are awesome

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Why would anyone want rock and bebop to be left out? They are awesome

In wich series?

[wpugh2424]

In any iteration

[Andrew NDB]

I just don't want them to be harassed by those who beg for FW characters to appear in the show.

I do want them to be harassed by them, and I want them to tell them to f*** off. Not apologize and capitulate.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I think Bebop and Rocksteady should to a cameo-appearance in the 4 Kids series as humans in the Purple Dragons gang, just like an Utrom was called Krang.

[shredder orokusaki]

That wasnt Bebop and Rocksteady. Just two purple Dragons. I didnt have any mutant henchmen in 2003 series until the end in 2009 Turtles forever movie.
But now yes i will always have Bebop and Rocksteady. But i will be choosing carefuly which ones i will mutate into them. Only powerful and very evil men like Ivan Steranko and Anton Zech are worth to become Rocksteady and Bebop.
Not weak cowards like the ones i had from 1987 until 1996. Expect all my Bebops and Rocksteadys to be awesome like the 2012 and 2011(IDW) are!

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Nickelodeon's Bebop and Rocksteady are OK. But no need for Dogpound and Fishface.

[Vegita-San]

Nickelodeon's Bebop and Rocksteady are OK. But no need for Dogpound and Fishface.

One of the parts of the show I had no problems with. I LIKED the reinvention of Bebop and Rocksteady. thought they where awesome.

DogPound and Fishface though, COULD have been awesome, but got forgotten rather quickly. (cue cubed 'what the hell' lead post)

I personally don't see ROTMNT lasting long. ESPECIALLY if it has the horrible schedule that Nick gave the last show. NOTHING kills a show faster than a bad schedule.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

One of the parts of the show I had no problems with. I LIKED the reinvention of Bebop and Rocksteady. thought they where awesome.

DogPound and Fishface though, COULD have been awesome, but got forgotten rather quickly. (cue cubed 'what the hell' lead post)

I personally don't see ROTMNT lasting long. ESPECIALLY if it has the horrible schedule that Nick gave the last show. NOTHING kills a show faster than a bad schedule.

I first thought Chris Braford and Xever Montes would become Bebop and Rocksteady in the Nickelodeon series.

[CyberCubed]

Dogpund/Rahzar and Fishface were in the entire show until the very end.

Bebop/Rocksteady don't even get mutated until halfway into Season 3. I have no idea why people act like Bebop/Rocksteady were there longer than they were, and even then Rahzar/Tiger Claw and then Fishface continue to appear in most of the Shredder-centric eps for the rest of the series.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I have no idea why people act like Bebop/Rocksteady were there longer than they were.

Probably because they appeared in earlier series.

[CyberCubed]

Probably because they appeared in earlier series.

if you mean their human forms, we barely saw them. Rocksteady appeared for like 5 minutes in one Season 1 episode. Bebop didn't appear till the end of Season 2 with Rocksteady, and that was it till Season 3.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

if you mean their human forms, we barely saw them. Rocksteady appeared for like 5 minutes in one Season 1 episode. Bebop didn't appear till the end of Season 2 with Rocksteady, and that was it till Season 3.

No, but Bebop and Rocksteady appeared in the MWS series and TMNT Adventures comics, so for many people it probably feels they've always been in TMNT, despite they weren't in the 4 Kids series.

[ColinStein]

Isn't that just the first Transformers cartoon with some overly elaborate transitions edited in?
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Is this like... All transitions?

[neatoman]

Is this like... All transitions?

A good chunk of them at least, more than enought to be annoying.

It's the same bizarre **** as Power Rangers. It's like they went out of their way to be lazy.

[Cowa]

Does anyone know the ratings for this show?

[neatoman]

Does anyone know the ratings for this show?

The average is 0.896

Which (believe it or not) has been fairly typical for Nickelodeon the past year. And Disney Channel. Cartoon Network does even worse.

I think kids networks might be the first type of TV channel to bite the dust.

[Cowa]

The average is 0.896

Which (believe it or not) has been fairly typical for Nickelodeon the past year. And Disney Channel. Cartoon Network does even worse.

I think kids networks might be the first type of TV channel to bite the dust.

Thank you! It's quite surprising, I've always thought that kid's channels had good ratings. :o However, I believe that 2012 series only got to less than 1.0 point in its last season? Hmm, maybe it will rise with time I guess.

[CyberCubed]

Like most kids these days watch shows streaming online, either on their computer, ipad or iphones.

I have to constantly remind people we're not in 2005 anymore, the days of people sitting on front of their TV to watch a show at a certain time, especially for kids, is pretty much over.

[Cowa]

Man, you know what, you're right. Which means there's still a chance that ROTTMNT is doing good on the streamings. :o

[neatoman]

You know what's nifty about TV ratings? Anyone can see them.
What's not so nifty about streaming traffic? It's kept closed from the public.

That's why I almost never take "it probably does well on streaming" arguments seriously. If you can't back up an argument properly, it's not worth considering. People are doing the thing with comics, claiming that book selling terrible through Diamond is actually doing great when sold as trades on Amazon, even though we can't actually access Amazon's sales data. It would be great if we could see this data, then we'd actually have something to talk about.

[Candy Kappa]

The comic comparison isn't all that great when Diamonds numbers are super unreliable.

[CyberCubed]

There's a huge difference with streaming in that it's always there. When eps air on TV they're just there once in that timeslot and not again until reruns. On online streaming the eps are always there and the ad revenue that plays during them constantly generates money. In a way it's much better than television.

TV in general is an outdated concept in that most families don't gather around it anymore the way they used to. And as I said, ratings also only keep track of the "new" airing of each episode, finding ratings for reruns is much harder because well...not many people care about reruns.

[sdp]

I've been streaming content since 2005 and have never gone back, it took a while before it became standard but now even grandmas are streaming stuff on Netflix, TV as it were is dead, that's why we see all these new streaming services coming late to the party trying to get a piece of the pie. Seriously, I was thinking today about all the time I wasted as a kid watching commercials.

[CyberCubed]

I've been streaming content since 2005 and have never gone back, it took a while before it became standard but now even grandmas are streaming stuff on Netflix, TV as it were is dead, that's why we see all these new streaming services coming late to the party trying to get a piece of the pie. Seriously, I was thinking today about all the time I wasted as a kid watching commercials.

Not to mention only watching 1 ep a week, etc. Nowadays I prefer to wait for shows or seasons to be "over" and then I binge watching everything all at once. Of course I make exceptions for certain shows like TMNT, etc. where I want to see each ep when it airs, but every other show I now just wait.

Also the 1.5x speed option is amazing. By watching all shows on 1.5x speed, and skipping the opening/ending themes after the first, you can watch through shows in literally half the time. 22 minute episodes become 15 minute episodes. A 1 hour episode becomes a 35 minute episode. I've become a binge watching master by doing this.

[Cowa]

You know what's nifty about TV ratings? Anyone can see them.
What's not so nifty about streaming traffic? It's kept closed from the public.

That's why I almost never take "it probably does well on streaming" arguments seriously. If you can't back up an argument properly, it's not worth considering. People are doing the thing with comics, claiming that book selling terrible through Diamond is actually doing great when sold as trades on Amazon, even though we can't actually access Amazon's sales data. It would be great if we could see this data, then we'd actually have something to talk about.

That's true. I don't want to assume things, so lets just say that it could be either succeeding or flip-flopping on streaming. Idk, I think I'm just worried about how it can affect the future of the franchise.

[80gmrp]

There's a huge difference with streaming in that it's always there. When eps air on TV they're just there once in that timeslot and not again until reruns. On online streaming the eps are always there and the ad revenue that plays during them constantly generates money. In a way it's much better than television.

TV in general is an outdated concept in that most families don't gather around it anymore the way they used to. And as I said, ratings also only keep track of the "new" airing of each episode, finding ratings for reruns is much harder because well...not many people care about reruns.

This. I may not be in charge of any TV shows, but speaking as a musician, I do make my work available on Spotify, which is essentially the Netflix of music, and lately, it's been slightly more reliable for generating me the income I need than even digital downloads.

As for the original topic, I have no idea what to think about how long ROT will last. The Tumblr-based portion of the fandom, frankly, is going ape with their love for it despite the more mixed feelings elsewhere. On the other hand, I noticed even those particular fans are promoting piracy by illegally uploading recordings of the episodes for everyone to watch, thus negating the streaming revenue argument a bit. Personally, I admit I watched only one episode from Nick's website: the debut, which I honestly feel wasn't a good start to the series: most of the rest are GIF's and over the top analyses on Tumblr. My bias aside but keeping my viewing experience in mind, if most people are doing what I'm doing, then I think it's safe to assume ROT won't last too long.

[Cowa]

The Tumblr-based portion of the fandom, frankly, is going ape with their love for it despite the more mixed feelings elsewhere. On the other hand, I noticed even those particular fans are promoting piracy by illegally uploading recordings of the episodes for everyone to watch, thus negating the streaming revenue argument a bit. Personally, I admit I watched only one episode from Nick's website: the debut, which I honestly feel wasn't a good start to the series: most of the rest are GIF's and over the top analyses on Tumblr.

Yeah, Tumblr is like a different dimension where everyone is so desperately in love with ROTTMNT, lmfao. XD I'm not judging them, afterall I can be quite over-the-top too, but lately I have been hearing less complainings about ROTTMNT than before. So either people got tired of complaining and now are apathetic about this show or they simply joined the ultra biased fans of Tumblr. xD