Maryland school shooting leaves 2 students injured, gunman dead

[TurtleWA]

“After shooting two students at a Maryland high school on Tuesday, the gunman was shot and killed by a school resource officer.“

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/3/20/17143438/great-mills-high-school-maryland-shooting

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

No deaths except for the shooter. Excellent.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't expect we'll be seeing too much about this in the news. Doesn't suit the narrative at all.

[Autbot_Benz]

At least this school officer wasn't a complete pussy like the one in Florida was.

[Powder]

I don't expect we'll be seeing too much about this in the news. Doesn't suit the narrative at all.

Bingo.

But still 2 lives lost so more to the pile of blood that is on the NRA's hands

Nobody but the shooter died. Read.

[plastroncafe]

I don't know about you lot, but I've still got my BINGO card ready and waiting.

In the meantime, someone reset the counter.

Update:
The 16-year-old girl and a 14-year-old boy who were wounded were taken to hospitals, county Sheriff Timothy Cameron said. The girl was in intensive care with life-threatening critical injuries, while the boy was in good condition, the sheriff said.

The gunman was identified as Austin Wyatt Rollins, and Cameron said there was “an indication” of a prior relationship between him and the female student, though he added that was still under investigation.
reuters (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-maryland-shooting/maryland-teen-wounds-two-at-school-dies-after-gunfight-with-officer-idUSKBN1GW1LA)

[Andrew NDB]

"Someone who did not follow even the existing gun laws brought a gun to school, shot people, and was subsequently shot and killed by an armed guard in the school."

That's what I'm getting out of this.

[Candy Kappa]

Another school shooting in America.

[PApagreg]

I don't expect we'll be seeing too much about this in the news. Doesn't suit the narrative at all.

There are tons of media outlets that are reporting the story.

[ProphetofGanja]

There are tons of media outlets that are reporting the story.

I think he means in America

And he's right; it's not getting anywhere near as much press as the last school shooting

[Mayhem]

And he's right; it's not getting anywhere near as much press as the last school shooting
Of course not, no one but the shooter died.

[The Deadman]

This doesnt fit the narrative of "all guns are EVIL!!!!!!" so they wont talk about this as much as they did Florida.

[PApagreg]

This doesnt fit the narrative of "all guns are EVIL!!!!!!" so they wont talk about this as much as they did Florida.

Huh, its almost like more people died in Florida than in Maryland also stricter gun control doesn't equal to "all guns are evil"

[IndigoErth]

Sad, but I'm glad it was stopped quickly and only the shooter has died.

Narrative? The narrative should be that he was shot by "a school resource officer," as one who should be properly armed, not teachers. They hired the right guy for the job. More schools need guys like him, and never just one on duty.

Can't say I've been looking too much for coverage of it so no idea how much it's being covered on the news (I'd originally just heard about it on the local news this morning, prior to the gunman even dying), but honestly it would not surprise me too much if it's covered less. Given the fact that it was both a smaller, shorter incident and happened in Maryland rather than a more high profile state. If it had happened next door in my own state it would probably be nationally heard about even less, if at all. Smaller and/or more quietly existing states don't tend to get as much coverage unless an event was rather large/tragic, so I don't think it's just some conspiracy minded "narrative" issue. If this was in a more high profile state or city (or if it was in a part of MD just outside of D.C.) they'd never stop talking about it.

[plastroncafe]

Of course the narrative is going to be the good guy with the gun stops the bad guy with a gun, and not how did the bad guy get the gun in the first place?

And why did he think he had the right to go after that girl in the first place? Where was he radicalized? And by whom?

Because at the end of the day dealing with that is what's going to stop these shootings more efficiently.

I hope someone keeps tabs on the girls so we know exactly how long it takes her to recover from this, if she ever fully recovers from this.

And on the health and well-being of the good guy with the gun, because he just killed a kid.

[IndigoErth]

Where was he radicalized? And by whom?
Probably the section of the internet that is more than eager to validate someone's twisted views and tells them what they want to hear...that they don't have to take any personal responsibility, and that when life sucks and your ego hurts, esp when a girl is involved, it's always someone else's fault and people must pay for it. Even if they're uninvolved innocents.


We just had an adult version of him/them arrested the other day in this area after some guy in his 40s decided to set off a bomb in front of the home of his estranged wife's family. And had a few more explosive devices (at least one of them a pipe bomb) in his home. When did people lose this much touch with reality...

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Meanwhile, in other news.....

Austin has been dealing with a series of package bombs, using several different methods of detonation and/or delivery. Started with boxes at people's houses, then trip wires, and now they are actually having them shipped. Several people have been injured, and two have died, yet it doesn't seem to be getting any coverage except local news.....

[plastroncafe]

Well it's certainly not terrorism, so says the White House.

[IndigoErth]

Oh, no, I've been hearing about that one too over here. If they're all related, someone is some kind of psycho.

I feel for the FedEx people, given that they handle boxes every day... Talk about PTSD over fearing any other might blow next. :ohwell:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Well it's certainly not terrorism, so says the White House.

Not that HE even knows the difference. I tend to disagree. The whole city is apparently on alert, and two more were found today.

[Andrew NDB]

Who knows why bad guys do bad things? I'm sure we'll get a better picture of his motivations in the days ahead.

What I do know is that if that school hadn't had an actual countermeasure in place for an in progress shooting, we could've had as many or more victims as Florida.

It's sad to think about. This isn't as newsworthy as Florida because (the left narrative aside) nobody died... yet how isn't the saving of potentially so many lives not equally newsworthy as lives lost? Or important?

[sdp]

Exception that proves the rule but we'll see this case be brought up every time another tragedy happens.

Who knows why bad guys so bad things?

Why is this only a major problem in the US?

[Andrew NDB]

Why is this only a major problem in the US?

That truly is the big question, I think. We've had guns here for a very long time... even actual assault rifles and automatic weapons were legal here once. Yet no school shootings then. Did we just suddenly see an upsurge of mental health issues in the last couple of decades?

The problem is complicated and multi-faceted, but it's ultimately societal, I think. There is no quick fix but it begins with good parenting. We are in an age where parents can just throw YouTube in front of the kids and walk away, and they can get fired up over any cause they find to fight for, or romanticize killers of the past and galvanize whatever state they're in with whatever they're going through (rough breakup, kids don't like me, blah blah). I don't have a great perspective into what teenagers go through nowadays in their teenage years but I suspect it is very different than what I knew... and not for the better in many ways.

Wrapping ourselves in a bubble of further legislation will do nothing.

[TurtleWA]

Why is this only a major problem in the US?

What is the rate of younger people (13-21 year olds) committing violent crimes in other countries compared with the US? I haven’t seen any statistics.

[Redeemer]

What is the rate of younger people (13-21 year olds) committing violent crimes in other countries compared with the US? I haven’t seen any statistics.

"Its 4:03...I can't sleep...." Shinedown haha seriously I cant sleep :ohwell:

Here you go though
This is the national crime stat for 2016

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-20

[TurtleWA]

"Its 4:03...I can't sleep...." Shinedown haha seriously I cant sleep :ohwell:

Here you go though
This is the national crime stat for 2016

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-20

Is that only US stats? I’m curious if the youth in America are more violent than other youth around the globe.

[Andrew NDB]

Is that only US stats? I’m curious if the youth in America are more violent than other youth around the globe.

The question is complex. I mean, I'm certain there is 30 countries where kids run in the street in packs violently mugging people freely everyday and it's not remotely newsworthy because it is so commonplace (I know this, actually), but that's hardly a valid comparison piece to the US. However, there is a large number of countries that have guns, like, everywhere, all the time, in almost all places (and we are talking actual assault rifles and more) and it's no big deal and there is 0 school shootings.

[TurtleWA]

The question is complex. I mean, I'm certain there is 30 countries where kids run in the street in packs violently mugging people freely everyday and it's not remotely newsworthy because it is so commonplace (I know this, actually), but that's hardly a valid comparison piece to the US.

Yeah can’t compare mugging to murder or attempted murder. I’d like to know the percent of murders or attempted murders in other countries that are committed by those under 21 years old. And how that number compares with the US.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah can’t compare mugging to murder or attempted murder. I’d like to know the percent of murders or attempted murders in other countries that are committed by those under 21 years old. And how that number compares with the US.

An inherent problem with this question is... the countries that have the most of such things, they're hardly keeping a tally. Or even publicly newsiszing anything. But it's happening. It's not even that hard to look up and see actual videos of such.

Which brings up another issue. We're a country that thrives in media. 300 networks starving for breaking or topical or politically aiding (with two competing sides, even) news stories. Do you think many other countries have anything remotely resembling this climate outside of maybe some parts of the UK?

[Mayhem]

Not really even the UK. You have three, maybe four national covering news networks (including the BBC obviously), and a lot of local news factions, but local news here is a byword for fluffy pieces to camera usually. Local interest stories, usually nothing hard hitting, but sometimes campaigns and protests that affect local residents and the such.

Austin has been dealing with a series of package bombs, using several different methods of detonation and/or delivery. Started with boxes at people's houses, then trip wires, and now they are actually having them shipped. Several people have been injured, and two have died, yet it doesn't seem to be getting any coverage except local news.....
I certainly heard about it because it's been covered here in the UK...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43453237

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Oddly enough, Fox News channel didn't seem to be covering it- until this morning, and then only because he was caught and blew himself up rather than be arrested. That is literally the first coverage I've seen nationally. Even the local news only gave it minimal coverage until a couple of days ago, which is strange, to be sure. I guess shooters warrent more attention than bombers? I dunno.....

[plastroncafe]

The ever dreaded social justice corner of the internet has been covering it since it began, because of the first four bombs same to target prominent Black families.

Curious who the suspect was, will they to have had a history of domestic abuse?

[Redeemer]

Oddly enough, Fox News channel didn't seem to be covering it- until this morning, and then only because he was caught and blew himself up rather than be arrested. That is literally the first coverage I've seen nationally. Even the local news only gave it minimal coverage until a couple of days ago, which is strange, to be sure. I guess shooters warrent more attention than bombers? I dunno.....

Yeah I am pretty annoyed I have not seen CNN or MSNCB cover it all. I have only seen Fox covering it. But I could have just tuned into Fox at the right time and the other two at the wrong time. But thankfully they have appeared to have found the perpetrator.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So another angry young white guy has been trying to blow up my fellow citizens for the past few weeks.

We got him this morning.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/austin-bombing-suspect-reportedly-killed/ar-BBKuTIY

It's not a gun problem, it's a people problem.

[plastroncafe]

So another angry young white guy has been trying to blow up my fellow citizens for the past few weeks.

We got him this morning.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/austin-bombing-suspect-reportedly-killed/ar-BBKuTIY

It's not a gun problem, it's a people problem.

Sounds like a very specific kind of people problem though.
And that maybe it might be a good idea to address that.

[TurtleWA]

Recent update from CNN.

“The school shooting was over in seconds. But it could have dragged on longer and proven deadlier were it not for the rapid response of a school resource officer.“

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/20/us/maryland-school-shooting-resource-officer-response-trnd/index.html

[sdp]

I don't have a great perspective into what teenagers go through nowadays in their teenage years but I suspect it is very different than what I knew... and not for the better in many ways.


From what I've been able to gather when I get to talk to early/mid teens as a teacher it's basically the same dumb things as always but with social media added to the mix.

When I was a teenager the internet wasn't "serious business" with teens like it is now, but it's really nothing new really. Only difference is the average teenager who doesn't understand technology is able to access the internet's darkest corners and they don't know how to deal with it when in my time the few people who were online understood "the rules".

So myspace friends has changed to likes/followers on instagram/facebook, sharing private pictures is easier than ever so the average joe can do it, online bullying to "normal" people. And the usual stuff, they do put a lot of emphasis on social media as a way to gauge.

Which isn't that different from 13 reasons why, which is really dumb but it "talked" to young people, so I'm guessing that also gives you an idea.

What is the rate of younger people (13-21 year olds) committing violent crimes in other countries compared with the US? I haven’t seen any statistics.

I think that's a cheap scapegoat since you would only see a similar violent crimes rate in poor countries/sections of countries were they lack education i.e. people who didn't study past Middle School. It's an entirely different social problem.

“The school shooting was over in seconds. But it could have dragged on longer and proven deadlier were it not for the rapid response of a school resource officer.“



The problem is complicated and multi-faceted, but it's ultimately societal, I think.

I completely agree, but is weaponizing school really the solution? Is that the learning environment you want to take your kid to?

I sure wouldn't. If I were a parent I'd also be scared of him having to go to school as things are right now in the US.

We're a country that thrives in media.

You underestimate globalization, the news and #FAKENEWS media is pretty much everywhere now, especially with the rise of social media among the older folks.

This is also why we're seeing a rise in nationalism worldwide.

[plastroncafe]

It shouldn't be difficult to find statistics from countries with a similar demographic, and socioeconomic, breakdown for comparison.

[Andrew NDB]

I completely agree, but is weaponizing school really the solution? Is that the learning environment you want to take your kid to?

Vs. a school with no weapons at all, not even a slim chance for survival if a shooter comes and runs roughshod? Absolutely.

[TurtleWA]

I think that's a cheap scapegoat since you would only see a similar violent crimes rate in poor countries/sections of countries were they lack education i.e. people who didn't study past Middle School. It's an entirely different social problem.

I don’t think it’s a cheap scapegoat at all. I’m wanting to determine if Americans under 21 commit/attempt murder at significantly higher rates than there under 21 global counterparts. My wish would be that America is similar or even lower. I would hope it’s not something like quadruple the global rate.

[Andrew NDB]

I was wondering what the left narrative was going to be on this. I guess it's going to be something like this:

http://www.highlander-community.com/narr.jpg

[sdp]

The use of child/man depending on the narrative is so annoying when someone is 17.

I don’t think it’s a cheap scapegoat at all. I’m wanting to determine if Americans under 21 commit/attempt murder at significantly higher rates than there under 21 global counterparts. My wish would be that America is similar or even lower. I would hope it’s not something like quadruple the global rate.


You can do the research yourself, the numbers are definitely out there.

I don't have numbers either but from my knowledge you would only find similar rates in poor/war torn countries as I stated. You won't find these numbers in developed countries like say most of Europe or even in developing countries like Latin America and various parts of Asia. Latin America/Asia might have some similar numbers in poor localities where there is no education so kids go to crime for food which is not comparable to the situation in the US.


As I stated earlier in the thread or in another school tragedy thread, it's very much a social issue in the US so it'll be extremely difficult to eliminate, but more can be done to be prevented.

The easy access to guns is a huge part, of course you can get illegal guns if you're a criminal but it's extra steps and the average looney isn't going to do that much reasearch or prepare as much and it works in other countries. I can only imagine how violent where I'm living right now would be if guns were readily available.

The problem with the US is they believe the "We're Number 1" propaganda and never venture to what other countries think of the country to give them a fresh perspective.

I deal with foreigners every day from many different countries and they often ask me about what is going in the US, they really can't understand.

[plastroncafe]

I called the kid a kid because he was under the age of 18.
Yes, that's a disservice to teenagers everywhere, but the fact remains that 17 is still under the age of majority.

I will say that it's nice to see people calling this a societal problem, and not merely trying to brush it away by dismissing it as mental illness.

Not that how we treat mental illness isn't also a societal problem, but I think that's a horse of an entirely different color while still being a horse.

So when do we start doing something about this societal problem?
Because this kid in MD thought he had the right to walk into a school and blow away a girl, for reasons that have not yet been released.

And in Texas we have a 20 year old man mailing bombs.
So, when are we going to address the factors that radicalized then young men?

I think the internet is as much to blame as video games, which is to say not at all.
These young men / boys were angry enough to murder, why?
And why did they believe their anger was enough of a justification to take someone else's life?

[TurtleWA]

I will say that it's nice to see people calling this a societal problem, and not merely trying to brush it away by dismissing it as mental illness.

Not that how we treat mental illness isn't also a societal problem, but I think that's a horse of an entirely different color while still being a horse.

So when do we start doing something about this societal problem?

I am also interested in the societal aspects. If other countries have a less percent of young people attempting/committing murder. What are these other countries doing to produce such well adjusted young people?

Realistically guns and schools are just the tip of the iceberg. If all guns disappear tomorrow does the desire to murder also disappear? No.

So how has America come to the point that we are creating a higher number of young killers than any other country?

[plastroncafe]

Would mandatory military service for young men help curb this kind of behavior? Normally I'm against the idea of conscription...

[Papenbrook]

Would mandatory military service for young men help curb this kind of behavior? Normally I'm against the idea of conscription...

That probably wouldn't help at all.

In fact, that might even incite more violence and, when you consider what kind of incidents occur within the military, more death.

[TurtleWA]

Would mandatory military service for young men help curb this kind of behavior? Normally I'm against the idea of conscription...

Some people might think that could work. Take the guessing out of transition from adolescence to adulthood. You know your next stage in life. Be to busy training to think about relationships and shooting peers. However, look at private pyle in full metal jacket. So I’m thinking my current answer is probably no.

[Andrew NDB]

Would mandatory military service for young men help curb this kind of behavior? Normally I'm against the idea of conscription...

I think that would help IMMENSELY. Though let's make it mandatory for women as well. We don't need to put it under the banner of, "This will stop school shootings!" (but it will) but it's just a great way of teaching value and responsibility. Since that appears to... not be happening as much as it used to.

That probably wouldn't help at all.

In fact, that might even incite more violence

The evidence from the countries that have that in place doesn't support that hypothesis remotely.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Would mandatory military service for young men help curb this kind of behavior? Normally I'm against the idea of conscription...

I think that would help IMMENSELY. Though let's make it mandatory for women as well. We don't need to put it under the banner of, "This will stop school shootings!" (but it will) but it's just a great way of teaching value and responsibility. Since that appears to... not be happening as much as it used to.

The evidence from the countries that have that in place doesn't support that hypothesis remotely.

What about conscientious objectors or people who disagree with America's foreign policies?

I have no desire to sacrifice my children on the altar of the American military-industrial complex simply in the hopes that other children are getting their $hit together at boot camp and in some third world country's sand hills.

[Andrew NDB]

What about conscientious objectors or people who disagree with America's foreign policies?

I have no desire to sacrifice my children on the altar of the American military-industrial complex simply in the hopes that other children are getting their $hit together at boot camp and in some third world country's sand hills.

When I think, "kids should do mandatory time in the military" I'm not necessarily thinking they would need to be deployable in the field during this time -- whatever "this time" is, if it's a year, two years. Just train, learn responsibility, learn to work as a team in unison with others on a base and on expeditions, learn about guns, how to fire, how to take them apart, etc.. The equivalent of doing time in a sort of light National Guard.

Then if they want to fully enlist when it's over, give them incentives.

[TurtleWA]

What about conscientious objectors or people who disagree with America's foreign policies?

I have no desire to sacrifice my children on the altar of the American military-industrial complex simply in the hopes that other children are getting their $hit together at boot camp and in some third world country's sand hills.

I’d guess not all jobs in military are combat or even go to other countries.

[Andrew NDB]

I’d guess not all jobs in military are combat or even go to other countries.

Yeah, my dad was a radio tech in the Army way back and never saw the field at all.

[Papenbrook]

When I think, "kids should do mandatory time in the military" I'm not necessarily thinking they would need to be deployable in the field during this time -- whatever "this time" is, if it's a year, two years. Just train, learn responsibility, learn to work as a team in unison with others on a base and on expeditions, learn about guns, how to fire, how to take them apart, etc.. The equivalent of doing time in a sort of light National Guard.

The U.S. rarely enacts those sort of requirements for the police force.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

When I think, "kids should do mandatory time in the military" I'm not necessarily thinking they would need to be deployable in the field during this time -- whatever "this time" is, if it's a year, two years. Just train, learn responsibility, learn to work as a team in unison with others on a base and on expeditions, learn about guns, how to fire, how to take them apart, etc.. The equivalent of doing time in a sort of light National Guard.

Then if they want to fully enlist when it's over, give them incentives.

I’d guess not all jobs in military are combat or even go to other countries.

Ah, okay. The only country that comes to mind for "everybody serves" is Israel. I've always assumed that meant combat.

[plastroncafe]

Some people might think that could work. Take the guessing out of transition from adolescence to adulthood. You know your next stage in life. Be to busy training to think about relationships and shooting peers. However, look at private pyle in full metal jacket. So I’m thinking my current answer is probably no.

There's something to that.
There's a zoologist named Desmond Morris who's done work on humans, studying us the way he would study animals. They made a documentary series on his work. One episode specifically focused on Rites of Passage, and how in Westernized Countries there really isn't one for boys.

Girls get training bras and their period, but guys...are kind of SOL.
For the most part in our culture a boy isn't a Man until he's had sex, which...can easily leads to problems.
Like, say for instance, a guy believing he's entitled to the affections of a gal, because she's what stands in the way of his ascending to adulthood.

What about conscientious objectors or people who disagree with America's foreign policies?

I have no desire to sacrifice my children on the altar of the American military-industrial complex simply in the hopes that other children are getting their $hit together at boot camp and in some third world country's sand hills.

Dunno.
I'll be honest, I'm not a huge fan of the military industrial complex my own self, and I'm against selective service in general, but...something's got to be done.

Where are those MRAs when you actually need them?

[Papenbrook]

Even if all assault rifles (or guns in general) were banned from the public, wouldn't more individuals just apply for jobs within the military/ police force? Those jobs would generally require the usage of guns, tasers, and such.

With all the corruption that goes on within those specific sectors, that wouldn't really be a good thing.

[Andrew NDB]

Even if all assault rifles (or guns in general) were banned from the public, wouldn't more individuals just apply for jobs within the military/ police force?

Assault rifles are already banned. And no, probably not.

[Barkworm]

This discussion is sickening but I agree with one thing: The US have become so ****ed up that armed schools are the most simple and thus sadly the best solution to the problem of school shootings.

[Mayhem]

I was wondering what the left narrative was going to be on this. I guess it's going to be something like this:
Both points are important, as I made a comment elsewhere that while the good guys with guns recently have had some wins, the next solution needed is to reach a circumstance where they are needed less. And certainly if people are carrying out these atrocities where armed others are present, it isn't much of a deterrent, is it? People still commit murders in states with the death penalty, so is that a genuine deterrent either? The problem definitely is multi faceted.

[Papenbrook]

This discussion is sickening but I agree with one thing: The US have become so ****ed up that armed schools are the most simple and thus sadly the best solution to the problem of school shootings.

I'm sorry if I've brought offense. I would never try to purposefully upset anyone.

[Barkworm]

I'm sorry if I've brought offense. I would never try to purposefully upset anyone.
I wasn't talking about your comments in particular, don't worry.

[plastroncafe]

Both points are important, as I made a comment elsewhere that while the good guys with guns recently have had some wins, the next solution needed is to reach a circumstance where they are needed less. And certainly if people are carrying out these atrocities where armed others are present, it isn't much of a deterrent, is it? People still commit murders in states with the death penalty, so is that a genuine deterrent either? The problem definitely is multi faceted.

Americans don't handle multifaceted well, I don't know that we ever have.

[Andrew NDB]

This discussion is sickening but I agree with one thing: The US have become so ****ed up that armed schools are the most simple and thus sadly the best solution to the problem of school shootings.

"Solution" isn't the right word. It isn't going to "solve" anything. What it does is it provides some measure of defense, whereas before there was/is 0.

[IndigoErth]

A thought I had several days ago...

And let me first state plainly that yes, I'm well aware that obviously it would not be a solution in a case like this where it involves a current student or staff member, however--

Given how often an attacker is not a current student or staff member, why don't we first and foremost put to use simple tech that already exists and update schools to require a key card to get through the doors during school hours?

Once the doors close and lock at the start of the school day, you need a key card to get through them. (Not needed for exiting.) Give one to each student, approved parent or guardian, and staff member. Issue a new one each school year and change the code so old cards no longer work. Anyone without a card will have to be cleared and let in by security (armed) instead.

Is it foolproof, of course not - esp when doors are open in the morning or a smarter attacker that figures out some kind of hack if possible - but in many cases it could help prevent or delay entry (hopefully long enough for security to respond) by anyone during the day who should not be in the building; be it an attacker, kidnapper, or what have you.



Instead of going overboard outright and forcing all the teachers to carry guns and instill the mental/emotional implications that could have by giving kids the message that they live in a military state (yeah I'm probably using that word all wrong) and are always under threat of attack...

Cripe, during the years I was dealing with anxiety issues as a student I think I'd have just been given a stroke at that point if I believed our lives were considered at risk 24/7. And given the middle school I went to at the time, I would have never trusted that some of the students might not have tried to take that gun from a teacher. Let alone not knowing if all teachers are themselves even trustworthy with it, if by mindset or a simple lack of reasonable ability to handle the thing.

[joe-eyeball]

The school my wife teaches at has automatically locking doors at all entrance points and an officer is posted at the school at all times during school hours. All of this is in place despite being an incredibly poor district and it certainly gives me some piece of mind. They also are considering armed staff (voluntary and trained by local police) which I’m also for. Mind you none of this can prevent a determined shooter from at least attempting to cause harm but it can aid in reducing the carnage quite a bit! The horrible reality is that until we find a way to fix people (good luck with that), I believe such measures are absolutely the best current defense against active shooters at schools! Remember there is no such thing as an effective deterrent for crime as long as there are people out there willing to commit it!

[PApagreg]

"Solution" isn't the right word. It isn't going to "solve" anything. What it does is it provides some measure of defense, whereas before there was/is 0.

Almost half of schools in the U.S have an armed security guard so to say that the measure for schools defense is 0 is beyond ludicrous

[Papenbrook]

The school my wife teaches at has automatically locking doors at all entrance points and an officer is posted at the school at all times during school hours. All of this is in place despite being an incredibly poor district and it certainly gives me some piece of mind.

Does said district have a white majority, or is it more diverse?

[plastroncafe]

Zero defense apparently looks an awful lot like locks on doors and windows, metal detectors, security monitoring the perimeter, and emergency procedures.

Armed guards at the doors aren't good defense if people are still attacking the school with arms. If anything, they've the potential to be good offense.

[joe-eyeball]

Does said district have a white majority, or is it more diverse?

Mostly Caucasian

[Sumac]

Whatever it is PC will find a way to say that it's all "white people" fault. :lol:

[plastroncafe]

Shhh, no one tell him that the shooter in Maryland was white.
I wouldn't want to shatter his illusion of me.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Shhh, no one tell him that the shooter in Maryland was white.
I wouldn't want to shatter his illusion of me.

Or the Austin bomber was white.

[TurtleWA]

QPXYpeP6WpE

[Sumac]

Shhh, no one tell him that the shooter in Maryland was white.
I wouldn't want to shatter his illusion of me.
You ability to not understand nuances of what you are reading is astonishing.
And I was surprised why your "arguments" are so bad. :lol:

[plastroncafe]

Dude, I'm still not into furries.
Please stop hitting on me.

[Sumac]

Dude, I'm still not into furries.
Please stop hitting on me.
So this your new stick?
I always suspected that some of the Lefties are infantile kids, who never grew up, and having yet another prove, is only convinces me further about it.:lol:

[plastroncafe]

Which isn't to say that I'm not impressed by you being as open about it as you are, given your country's form stance against anything other than heteronormative behavior.

More power to you!
Know that you have my support for you to live your truth.
Damn the man!

That said, any further attempts at flirtation on your part, will be sent to the mods as sexual harassment.

But we digress enough.

[PApagreg]

Whatever it is PC will find a way to say that it's all "white people" fault. :lol:

I find it ironic that you complain "PC" or "Progressive" when you have the same kneejerk reactions they do(or at least the worst of them) and basically start ****

[Sumac]

Which isn't to say that I'm not impressed by you being as open about it as you are, given your country's form stance against anything other than heteronormative behavior.

More power to you!
Know that you have my support for you to live your truth.
Damn the man!

That said, any further attempts at flirtation on your part, will be sent to the mods as sexual harassment.

But we digress enough.
There is difference between progress and lunacy.
Maybe your trolling is an attempt to compensate for something, I wonder? To attract attention? Maybe it is you who want to score a date with me, hm?

[Machias Banshee]

Okay, enough of the back and forth sniping. Sumac, Plastron, Papagreg, end it now. We have more than enough of that in other threads.

[plastroncafe]

Understood.

Back in topic.
http://time.com/5211363/maryland-high-school-shooting-austin-rollins-lovesick/

So the new theory is this 17 year old was illegally in possession of a firearm, and went after a girl who told him no. In addition to that, no one is entirely sure if the good guy with the gun actually killed the shooter, and he certainly wasn't a deterrent.

So the story here is this, if you have a son, or male children in your life, it is your duty to raise them to believe that they are not entitled to the affections of any romantic partner they wish.

I don't know what to tell you if you have a daughter, or girl children in your life. Because when an armed guard isn't enough to protect her from unwanted advances... Yeah, I've got nothing.

[TurtleWA]

Understood.

Back in topic.
http://time.com/5211363/maryland-high-school-shooting-austin-rollins-lovesick/

So the new theory is this 17 year old was illegally in possession of a firearm, and went after a girl who told him no. In addition to that, no one is entirely sure if the good guy with the gun actually killed the shooter, and he certainly wasn't a deterrent.

So the story here is this, if you have a son, or male children in your life, it is your duty to raise them to believe that they are not entitled to the affections of any romantic partner they wish.

I don't know what to tell you if you have a daughter, or girl children in your life. Because when an armed guard isn't enough to protect her from unwanted advances... Yeah, I've got nothing.

Yeah, or you know, teach your kids that murder or attempted murder is wrong. But parents can only do so much.

[plastroncafe]

Agreed, but as they say an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
I'm seeing reports that the girl is considered brain dead, and all because she told a boy no, and he couldn't handle the rejection.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't think it's literally, "I need to have 'The Talk' with Little Timmy and tell him not to go on a rage killing spree when Little Susie spurns him." I think it's more spending time with your kid, being a good example, maintaining a stable home life, actually doing things with them (getting out there, not hanging out or sitting them in front of YouTube), keeping them active in after school sports and/or activities and doing whatever you can to minimize outside negative influences... "Right" and "Wrong" will come on its own from there.

In other news, a school district in Pennsylvania has found their solution to in-progress school shootings: a bucket of rocks in the classroom. I'm not making this up.

http://pix11.com/2018/03/23/students-will-be-armed-with-rocks-in-case-of-school-shooting-superintendent-says/

[TurtleWA]

Agreed, but as they say an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
I'm seeing reports that the girl is considered brain dead, and all because she told a boy no, and he couldn't handle the rejection.

Very sad. No one deserves to be in an abusive relationship. Or not even a relationship in this instance but more like the victim of a sociopathic stalker.

[Andrew NDB]

Pu_LCNLillU

[plastroncafe]

The 16-Year-Old Girl Who Was Shot At Her Maryland High School Has Died (https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/amberjamieson/jaelynn-willey-maryland-school-shooting?utm_term=.iv4MVAVDr&__twitter_impression=true)

So let's remove the gun from the scenario, because that seems to be all the rage these days. Let's say that he had a knife, or really any other weapon. Heck, let's just say he used his own two hands.

How do we stop that from happening again?
Domestic abuse is all to very real, and not something that can be easily dismissed as a mental illness.

So what do we do now?

[IndigoErth]

:(

Too bad the little bastard himself died so he won't someday have to be a 40-year-old sitting in prison thinking about the life he took away from this girl and all that she'd have missed at that point... Maybe he was enough of a nut that he never would have considered it, but hopefully by then it might have dawned on him.

Pity his parents though who must be wondering where they went wrong...