Underrated Bat Rogues

[MikeandRaph87]

I have a liking to the colorful characters who scrooge Batman and see quite a few can be dismissed or not given proper care or continued care. What villains in the deep depths of Batman' Rogues Gallery do you appreciate?

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Of all of the well-known villains I would say Mr. Freeze. I love the concept and his origin given by Paul Dini. This character owes a lot to television as he was a one-shot named Mr. Zero who was cured at the end of his first story. However, William Dozier must have picked up this comic when looking for samples and he appeared in Batman'66 three times. Watching his episode which he kidnaps Ms. Iceland in attempt to make her Mrs. Fries does not feel like the character due to later developments not to mention a moll he had feelings for that used him in a 1979 story. Then twenty-six years later his three Batman: TAS episodes solidified him as a first string villain. The problem is he had a downturn in his story-line. It could have ended with Subzero and given a villain what looked to be a happy ending. However, he literally fell apart and his wife remarried with him declared dead. The comics incorporated the origin and shattered Nora only to make her a villain who spites Victor, Lazara. Mr. Freeze needs to find a way to maintain his Batman: TAS origin yet have more than a limited story-line. Further use has proven to derail the character's arc. He needs either a happy ending or work needs to be done to allow him to continue while incorporating the animated series given origin. So far no dice.

http://babblingsaboutdccomics4.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/bat_304_003.pnghttp://babblingsaboutdccomics4.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/bat_252_001.pngAnother character I enjoy reading in The Spook, a criminally underrated threat that had early success and well done stories between 1973 to 1980. Afterwards he appeared in the first of two villain gathers, Detective Comics#526 (1983). He made Batman think himself to be dead among other darker ploys villains have pulled. Val Kaliban had done enough to be put on death row, but his escape artist mastery allowed him to avoid the sentence. How many of Batman's rogues were a threat enough for death row? There is also the problem of the two times he was dusted off (late 2003) as unable to adapt to life in Gotham of today and used as a sacrificial lamb to the debuting Damian Wayne which he is unceremoniously beheaded by the child after holding up city hall. This character needs further use and respect. A lot of directions can be taken with him becoming a true spook or true to his skill set escape the fate and getting revenge. He did get a cameo in the Scooby Doo team up title alongside a Bamtan '66 villain, False Face since, but that is not nearly what the villain needs.
https://babblingsaboutdccomics4.wordpress.com/2015/09/10/batman-252-the-spooks-secrets-revealed-and-robin-ends/

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Third and finally, Boss Rupert Thorne. Batman's rogues really lack a pure mafia villain. Batman's tend to crossover to mafia, but are primarily costumed super villains. The likes of Penguin, Two Face, Ventriolquist, even Killer Croc early on was, are underworld factions, but not true mob. Black Mask and maybe Ventriloquist are the only mafia characters that interact with the super-kind. Spider-Man's rogues with Kingpin, Silvermane,Hammerhead, Tombstone, and The Owl are primarily mafia characters who interact with the super-kind. Thorne is a creation of the Englehart run, but his reign was short-lived and only had two arcs in '77 and '83,but Rupert Thorne gave the role of The Kingpin that he would take on in Spider-Man:TAS when Thorne controlled most of crime and city council in Batman:TAS. He has so much potential to scrooge Batman politically long-term and have a hold on Gotham to rival The Penguin,but never got time to shine. Aside from that Dr. Phosphorous went after he him yet again years later in 2006 and he was in the debut scene of The Batman as a generic mafia character. This guy needs the creators attention!

Any thoughts on my choices or do you have your own favorites who are overlooked or under utilized?

[Redeemer]

Really good pulls/choices!!!!!
Love Mr.Freese in BTAS and the movie Sub-Zero I am unfamiliar with him in the comics, but he had a really awesome episode on Batman Beyond.

Not familiar with Mr. Spook so I really don't have much to say about him.

Rupert Thorne is definitely a favorite villain of mine from BTAS bc he and the mafia aspect kept the show grounded.

As for a Main Rogue I would like to see more of..... I would have to go with Scarecrow. I thought he was ok in BTAS, but in the Arkham Asylum games he was amazing and would love to see more of that Scarecrow.

As for under-rated I would love to The Court of Owls get some more love. I am just waiting for them to break out onto the big screen. I know they have been in Gotham the tv series, but I did not like that interpretation. The comic court of Owls is amazing and the dynamic with Batman and Bruce Wayne is something that even rivals Joker's

[Coola Yagami]

As for under-rated I would love to The Court of Owls get some more love. I am just waiting for them to break out onto the big screen. I know they have been in Gotham the tv series, but I did not like that interpretation. The comic court of Owls is amazing and the dynamic with Batman and Bruce Wayne is something that even rivals Joker's

I kinda wish I saw the Court of Owls go after the Joker.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Riddler is well-known, but I think he's pretty underrated.

[MikeandRaph87]

Riddler is well-known, but I think he's pretty underrated.

What are your opinions on Zero Year and The War of Jokes and Riddles? High profile stories that I question if it was a teue depiction of The Riddler.

[Redeemer]

I kinda wish I saw the Court of Owls go after the Joker.

Are you talking about in the comics(New 52) OR in Gotham tv show?

What are your opinions on Zero Year and The War of Jokes and Riddles? High profile stories that I question if it was a teue depiction of The Riddler.


Zero Year was freaking amazing! Thats the only reason I did not mention Riddler in my answer bc he had such a big arc devoted to the character.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

What are your opinions on Zero Year and The War of Jokes and Riddles? High profile stories that I question if it was a teue depiction of The Riddler.

Zero Year was pretty great. Not my favorite early Batman story or my favorite Scott Snyder Batman story, but I really enjoyed it. Love me some Scott Snyder.

War of Jokes and Riddles sucked. All tell, no show. Barely any real story. I don't like Tom King, except for one or two issues. Didn't like "I Am Gotham", "I Am Suicide", "I Am Bane", "Night of the Monster Men", or "Everybody Loves Ivy." Or the Wonder Woman / Batman story.

I've liked the story where Selina and Bruce went to have a talk with Talia... that's been about it.

[MikeandRaph87]

Zero Year was pretty great. Not my favorite early Batman story or my favorite Scott Snyder Batman story, but I really enjoyed it. Love me some Scott Snyder.

War of Jokes and Riddles sucked. All tell, no show. Barely any real story. I don't like Tom King, except for one or two issues. Didn't like "I Am Gotham", "I Am Suicide", "I Am Bane", "Night of the Monster Men", or "Everybody Loves Ivy." Or the Wonder Woman / Batman story.

I've liked the story where Selina and Bruce went to have a talk with Talia... that's been about it.

I only read the proposal issue,#24. What issue was the Bruce/Talia dialogue?

I have read every precrisis Ra's story and it seems one side, Talia has a crush on the older Bruce, who calls her a kid. Is it one sided post-crisis? I always found it odd that Talia was considered his second greatest love.

[PApagreg]

War of Jokes and Riddles sucked.

War of Jokes and Riddles rubbed me the wrong way especially with Kiteman's son

[MikeandRaph87]

War of Jokes and Riddles rubbed me the wrong way especially with Kiteman's son

It's not the Riddler way...and it was all to make The Joker laugh? :trolleye:


Thoughts on the poster example of a loser villain, Killer Moth?

[ProactiveMan]

I like the Queen of Hearts. I don't know how many interpretations there have been of the character, but the one I'm familiar with is a mentally disturbed woman who collects human hearts and keeps them in a doll house. Pretty cool.

[MikeandRaph87]

I like the Queen of Hearts. I don't know how many interpretations there have been of the character, but the one I'm familiar with is a mentally disturbed woman who collects human hearts and keeps them in a doll house. Pretty cool.

I never heard of her and I know all of the obscure ones. It must be New 52. I dropped the title when the renumbering took hold. Sounds too grotesque like my least favorite rouge, Professor Pyg and not oddly cool by design or gimmick.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I like the Queen of Hearts. I don't know how many interpretations there have been of the character, but the one I'm familiar with is a mentally disturbed woman who collects human hearts and keeps them in a doll house. Pretty cool.

She's a JL villain, not Gotham specific. Does sound look a cool gimmick though!

Mad Hatter, White Rabbit, Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, and now Queen of Hearts... That's a weird number of Wonderland villains.

[MikeandRaph87]

She's a JL villain, not Gotham specific. Does sound look a cool gimmick though!

Mad Hatter, White Rabbit, Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, and now Queen of Hearts... That's a weird number of Wonderland villains.

There is The Wonderland Gang that Mad Hatter formed in Detective Comics#841. I believe there have been a pair of smaller appearances such as seen being captured in Doomsday Clock#1,but I suggest that you check out the issue.
http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Wonderland_Gang

[Jester]

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[MikeandRaph87]

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Are all of those actual lego figures or just a cameo in this scene?

[Jester]

I think they made most of them in Mini-fig Blind Bags.

[MikeandRaph87]

I collect both Batman villains and Spider-Man villains with the idea it is best chance to have a complete gallery in one form. Batman is missing less than a handful of lesser foes from having a complete set 15 years later. It has some surprising entries over the years. I suppose that Lego has a few obscure ones that even heroclix missed. I question why a couple of one-shot foes who I never would have heard of without the Bat Rogue label in heroclix were made,but aside from Rupert Thorne, Cavalier, Black Spider, and Cluemaster they are all there and then some. Here is a list based on what I have. Also, admittingly the "Associated with" is subjective.
Batman Villain Heroclix List:
Joker
Harley Quinn
Penguin
Riddler
Catwoman
Two Face
Mr. Freeze
Poison Ivy
Scarecrow
Ra's al Ghul
Talia
Bane
Ultimate Clayface
Clayface III
Mad Hatter
Mad Hatter Imposter
Man-Bat
Killer Croc
Professor Hugo Strange
Hush
Black Mask
Scarface & Ventriloquist
Deadshot
Firefly
Killer Moth
Mr. Zsasz
Cat-Man
Calendar Man
Red Hood
Carmine Falcone
Blockbuster II
KG Beast
Dr. Phosphorous
Singalman
Dr. Hurt
David Caine
Joe Chill
Crazy Quilt
Sensei
Bronze Tiger (League of Assassins)
Lady Shiva (League of Assassins)
Meryln (League of Assassins)
Lock-Up
Kite Man
Electrocutioner
Talon
The Holiday Killer
Architect
White Rabbit
Batzarro
Maxie Zues
King Tut (Batman '66)
Egghead (Batman '66)
Shame (Batman'66)
Phantasm (Batman: TAS)
Clock King (Batman: TAS version)

Associated with Bat Rogues:
Lex Luthor
Deathstroke
Solomon Grundy
Calculator
Copperhead
Gentleman Ghost

Hench characters:
League of Assassin
Man-Bat Assassin
Arkham Inmate
Court of Owl Initiate

[ZariusTwo]

Kite Man.

Hell yeah

[MikeandRaph87]

Kite Man.

Hell yeah

Have you ever read any of the Kite-Man appearances or just the reinvention of the character as a joke villain created by The Riddler to make The Joker laugh? I have read his first appearance, his second year later by Len Wein and his Gotham Knights appearance. Also, Kite-Man was killed off TWICE in a matter of months around the time of Infinite Crisis. Brown turned down Deathstroke's invitation so he sent him off the ledge of a building without his glider and then Bruno Maannheim cannibalized him in the 52 weekly series. Someone really hated the guy in 2006! Here are his appearances.

Batman #133 (August 1960): "Crimes of the Kite-Man"
Batman #315 (September 1979): "Danger on the Wing"
Hawkman Vol. 2 #4 (November 1986): "For the Benefit of Mister Kite"
Justice League America #43 (October 1990): "If You Play Your Card Right..."
Young Justice #23 (September 2000): "Down Under Where"
Batman: Gotham Knights #33 (November 2002): "Tabula Rasa, Prologue: The Devil You Know..."
Young Justice #48 (October 2002): "Fighting Maad Part Two: D.O.A."
Young Justice #50 (December 2002): "Fighting Maad Part Four: M.U.B.A.R."
52 #25 (December 2006): "Liminal Times" [deceased]
Batman vol.3 #28 (October 2017) "The War of Jokes and Riddles Part III"
Batman vol.3 #30 (November 2017) "The War of Jokes and Riddles Part Part V"
Batman vol.3 #31 (November 2017) "The War of Jokes and Riddles Part VI"

[MikeandRaph87]

What happened with Firefly? Gotham has some odd teen girl instead of Garfield Lynns, lighting effects specialist and pyromaniac and now Ted Carson, that one-shot who appeared a few years after Garfield Lynns appeared is Firefly again?

[Spike Spiegel]

Roxy Rocket.

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[MikeandRaph87]

She appeared in one cameo in Dini's run didn't see? I think she appeared to oppose Stephanie Brown too. I never cared for the character as she started in other media and it was the last season of Batman:TAS opposed to the classic run. Its funny how I by a very long-shot prefer other media characters in Ninja Turtles, but do not think much of other media villains in regards to Batman.

[DWC]

Agree with Mr Freeze. I also think the Riddler is underraed.

To be honest I like most of his villains.

[MikeandRaph87]

Agree with Mr Freeze. I also think the Riddler is underraed.

To be honest I like most of his villains.

Those two are my two favorite. I wish Mr. Freeze can either get a,happy ending or find a wsy to flesh him out and not be limited wirh the Dini origin.


I enjoy Batman's C listers as evidenced by my love of Dr. Phosphorus and The Spook.

[DWC]

Those two are my two favorite. I wish Mr. Freeze can either get a,happy ending or find a wsy to flesh him out and not be limited wirh the Dini origin.


I enjoy Batman's C listers as evidenced by my love of Dr. Phosphorus and The Spook.

I didn't know those two - you're obviously a huge Bat fan.

I haven't read Freeze in New 52 but I heard that they turned him into a psychopath who didn't even know Nora and simply lusted after her? And he seen his mum die as a boy in the ice. Is that true? I much prefer the Dini character take.

[MikeandRaph87]

I didn't know those two - you're obviously a huge Bat fan.

I haven't read Freeze in New 52 but I heard that they turned him into a psychopath who didn't even know Nora and simply lusted after her? And he seen his mum die as a boy in the ice. Is that true? I much prefer the Dini character take.

Nora was said to have been cryogenically frozen for decades and Victor grew a mohawk. One of the horrible outcomes of the anti-marriage stance comics took for awhile.

You really should dig into the back issue bin. So many fun characters to discover from the two mentioned above to Signal Man, Gearhead, Terrible Trio, and Calendar Man among many others.

[DWC]

Nora was said to have been cryogenically frozen for decades and Victor grew a mohawk. One of the horrible outcomes of the anti-marriage stance comics took for awhile.

You really should dig into the back issue bin. So many fun characters to discover from the two mentioned above to Signal Man, Gearhead, Terrible Trio, and Calendar Man among many others.

Lol that sounds awful. I read a bit of new 52 but never came across Freeze stuff, it sounds like they butchered his story and the character.

Cheers, I might just do that when I have more time.

[Coola Yagami]

Lol that sounds awful. I read a bit of new 52 but never came across Freeze stuff, it sounds like they butchered his story and the character.

Cheers, I might just do that when I have more time.

Yeah new 52 Freeze never even met Nora and just got obsessed with her, carrying on as if she was his wife. And he was so far in the delusion that he really honestly believes she is his wife and is confused when told otherwise. I guess the New 52 people felt he wasn't insane enough.

[MikeandRaph87]

Have any of you ever watch videoes from this Youtube Channel, Gotham Rogues? I have subscribed for 13 months and found it to be one of the most interesting channels on the website.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyxNOHiNclZlVpeRhYV2QRQ

[MikeandRaph87]

I am surprised at how little attention Rupert Thorne has gotten. A mob figure without a gimmick who could rise above the "freaks" era that dismantled the mob as Batman emerged. Even after Batman: The Animated Series he he just appeared to rehash little known awesome villain Dr. Phosphorous desire to kill him for being indirectly responsible for his accident that made him into his freakish appearance and that was it.

Here is a good write up on it.
http://www.pulpanddagger.com/maskedbookwyrm/bat_s.html#strange

http://www.pulpanddagger.com/maskedbookwyrm/saga/bat_thorne.html

Also, within the first link is a write up on one of my favorite Batman stories, one which was a reverse trial to dtermine who was Batman's actual killer complete with a villainous jury, D.A., and Judge Al Ghul!

[MikeandRaph87]

Batman's rogues gallery has quite a few doctors in it (Mr.Freeze, Poison Ivy,Scarecrow, Professor Hugo Strange) and it made me think. Who is the most intelligent Bat Rogue? The two that come to my mind don't have the doctor title. Riddler is often cited and also Ra's al Ghul. Ra's may be due to his age of 600 plus.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I find it really weird, having just read Batman: Terror and reread Batman: Prey that Hugo Strange was given a blow-up doll for a girlfriend.

I think he would've been a much more effective rogue if he didn't have this weird impotence / social awkwardness issue. I was glad the Gotham Knights story arc left that by the wayside... (if I remember correctly)

And the two smartest Bat rogues are most definitely R'as al Ghul (simply for being 700 years old) and Edward Nygma.

[MikeandRaph87]

I find it really weird, having just read Batman: Terror and reread Batman: Prey that Hugo Strange was given a blow-up doll for a girlfriend.

I think he would've been a much more effective rogue if he didn't have this weird impotence / social awkwardness issue. I was glad the Gotham Knights story arc left that by the wayside... (if I remember correctly)

And the two smartest Bat rogues are most definitely R'as al Ghul (simply for being 700 years old) and Edward Nygma.

Would it be unfair to try to rate because of Ra's age? If he were say 35 like Edward then Edward would be. If Edward was born during the mid 1400s' and he was 650ish and Ra's was 35 it would be the same answer just the age advantage?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Would it be unfair to try to rate because of Ra's age? If he were say 35 like Edward then Edward would be. If Edward was born during the mid 1400s' and he was 650ish and Ra's was 35 it would be the same answer just the age advantage?

Well, I'd argue that R'as hasn't just been sitting around doing nothing. He's brilliant, a warlord and master strategist, not just Methusaleh.

Oh, and Bane. Bane's a genius. R'as even admitted it.

[MikeandRaph87]

Well, I'd argue that R'as hasn't just been sitting around doing nothing. He's brilliant, a warlord and master strategist, not just Methusaleh.

Oh, and Bane. Bane's a genius. R'as even admitted it.

Very true. Its just hard to think think of his intellectual capabilities based on his look and the stain Batman and Robin put on him even after The Dark Knight Rises. It causes him to be overlooked. It appears he is the main villain in Tom King's run judging by the last panel of Batman#50.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Very true. Its just hard to think think of his intellectual capabilities based on his look and the stain Batman and Robin put on him even after The Dark Knight Rises. It causes him to be overlooked. It appears he is the main villain in Tom King's run judging by the last panel of Batman#50.

Ugh. Tom King's Batman.

[MikeandRaph87]

Ugh. Tom King's Batman.

All Bat writers have their faults. Scott Synder and James Gordon Jr. for one and I feel Scott put Edward on the track of being a cold hearted serial killer that Tom picked up on. If you write the Batman title your head swells. It comes with the job.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

All Bat writers have their faults. Scott Synder and James Gordon Jr. for one and I feel Scott put Edward on the track of being a cold hearted serial killer that Tom picked up on. If you write the Batman title your head swells. It comes with the job.

Eh, Snyder didn't turn anything on its head. He did a damned silly RoboBunnyBat GordonBat run, and kept pushing Harper Row and Duke Thomas, but that's it. His glories still outshine his stumbles... Court of Owls, Death of the Family, Endgame, Metal.

[2K3]

My Top 10 underrated Bat-Rogues (in no order):

1 - Black Mask
2 - Hugo Strange
3 - Professor Pyg
4 - Rupert Thorne
5 - Anarky
6 - Blockbuster
7 - Firefly
8 - Great White Shark
9 - James Gordon Jr.
10 - Simon Hurt

[MikeandRaph87]

My Top 10 underrated Bat-Rogues (in no order):

1 - Black Mask

He was introduced with a connection to Bruce Wayne and had similarities to Hush before Dr. Elliott was introduced. It was his own creator who had to dust him him off 9 years after his first use (only a villain gathering had Black Mask appeared in aside from that) that got him proper attention. However, Black Mask joined the mainstays with War Games and got a taste of being notorious atop the the underworld for a few years. Catwoman offing him in her only kill is something that Roman Sionias never quite recovered from. Dr. Arkham took his place briefly, but Black Mask while notable now is not where he should be.


QUOTE]2 - Hugo Strange
Underappreciated perhaps, but not underrated.

3 - Professor Pyg

I hate this disgusting character and would rather he just be a villain that appeared for a certain period and disappered.

4 - Rupert Thorne

The most underrated. Such quick build and inspiration in Batman (1989) and Batman:TAS only to get two major arcs. He was dusted off in 2006 so Dr. Phosphrous could go after him again? This guy can be an untouchable puppet master if DC Comics would let him. I guess a smart writer will have to see what we see first and who knows if that will happen. Kite-Man got his day so why not?

5 - Anarky

I never understood the purpose of this character. Bad guy? Antihero? Never really used.

6 - Blockbuster


Major reoccurring not that bad of a guy,misunderstood brute. Killed off to show Suicide Squad really was what it implies. Brother ironically suffers a similar fate after manipulating Mark, but there is that Tarantula controversy. Less said about that the better. Mark came back in the New 52 though, right? Minor as could be and nothing really done with him. No heroclix of him even despite the 1965-1987 run in the rogues gallery.

7 - Firefly

Switched Garfield Lynns for Ted Carson for what? Firefly had made it to the big leagues as Lynns. Never understood, the low ranking yet reoccuring threat being done away with.

8 - Great White Shark

I would like to see the underworld of Gotham get more focus in general. More could be done with him, but I prefer Black Mask.

9 - James Gordon Jr.

I prefer the precursor, government agent Tony Gordon. Like Professor Pyg he is too gross for me to appreciate.

10 - Simon Hurt

He is what I was hoping Professor Pyg would become, a villain who only is major for a stretch of a few years or used by the writer who created the character only. What Dr. Simon Hurt needs beyond the surprise Rebirth Nightwing arc is to find a reason to return. The Court of Owls after him seem to have found a prolonged purpose, but as the demon worshiping Wayne ancestor he needs to be retooled

[MikeandRaph87]

I never even considered Condiment King a joke villain since he was one of three comdians under Joker's mind control in a single episode of Batman:TAS. Is Pack Rat and Mad Mod actual villains too? Well, Batman vol. 3 #54 legitimizes Condiment King giving him seven successful robberies and three murders. I am one who loves nobody villians, but this guy is one I never even catgorized as an actual low level villain.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/09/05/batman-condiment-54-king-killing-joke-spoilers/

[MikeandRaph87]

Black Mask no longer underrated as he becomes the 13th Batman villain to be adapted into film?
https://www.hotnewhiphop.com/birds-of-prey-film-casts-ewan-mcgregor-as-batman-villain-black-mask-news.63625.html

I was not sure of which thread to plant this on so I dropped it here.

[MikeandRaph87]

https://io9.gizmodo.com/birds-of-prey-has-cast-another-intriguing-batman-villai-1830970745/amp

Black Mask will be villain A and Mr.Zsasz will be villain B. I dont consider the plainclothes cameo in Batman Begins as an appearance so this will make 14 villains of Batman's rogues gallery to appear in a film as an antagonist.

[Andrew NDB]

https://hopeburnsbright.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/mekros-ambush-in-canned-goods.jpg

I think Mekros (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Mekros_(New_Earth)) had a lot of potential. He showed up in Batman #501 and #502 and always has left an impression on me.

He's like a self-brainwashed hitman, going around quoting Machiavelli's "The Prince" as he does his murders.

[oldmanwinters]

Clock King!
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[MikeandRaph87]

Clock King!
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William Tockman, the Green Arrow villain who appeared in Batman (1966) two parter and fought Justice League International alongside Cluemaster or Temple Fugate of Batman: TAS?

[AquaParade]

The Joker.

I'll see myself out.

[Leo656]

https://io9.gizmodo.com/birds-of-prey-has-cast-another-intriguing-batman-villai-1830970745/amp

Black Mask will be villain A and Mr.Zsasz will be villain B. I dont consider the plainclothes cameo in Batman Begins as an appearance so this will make 14 villains of Batman's rogues gallery to appear in a film as an antagonist.

What sense does that make? He was clearly named as "Victor Zsasz", used a knife, and covered with scars.

No, he wasn't the "Top Hat & Tuxedo Variant" but it would have been silly to expect that then, or now. I mean, after the movie the comic books changed his appearance to make his Batman Begins look "official". If they've since walked it back I'm unaware of it.

I prefer the original look, myself, but saying it "doesn't count" in Begins is silly.

[MikeandRaph87]

https://hopeburnsbright.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/mekros-ambush-in-canned-goods.jpg

I think Mekros had a lot of potential. He showed up in Batman #501 and #502 and always has left an impression on me.

He's like a self-brainwashed hitman, going around quoting Machiavelli's "The Prince" as he does his murders.

Mekros,huh? I have known of about every Bat Rogue from A list to D list, but that one escaped me! I see why too, it took place during Knight Fall and he only appeared in one story-line and never beyond that one off appearance. I only cared for Knights End of the whole long-winded story arc. I do like the quoting The Prince though.

[Leo656]

I just got done reading "Batman: The Cult" a few days ago. How about Deacon Blackfire? He's pretty obscure, but he sure got a lot done right out of the gate. Did he ever show up again?

I've mentioned this elsewhere, but I'm fairly certain that Nolan borrowed huge chunks of "The Cult" for "The Dark Knight Rises", and simply swapped Blackfire out for Bane.

[MikeandRaph87]

I just got done reading "Batman: The Cult" a few days ago. How about Deacon Blackfire? He's pretty obscure, but he sure got a lot done right out of the gate. Did he ever show up again?

I've mentioned this elsewhere, but I'm fairly certain that Nolan borrowed huge chunks of "The Cult" for "The Dark Knight Rises", and simply swapped Blackfire out for Bane.

He and a couple other low ranking bat rogues were reanimated to fight Dick, Damien, and Tim in Blackest Night: Batman mini.

Similiar to how The Wrath was reworked for The New 52 so was Deacon Blavkfire. His story took place in Batman Eternal which I did not read cover to cover. He returned possessing Maxie Zues, who also should have been dead in a second story, third overall. Comics, go figure!

What villain has the most rewrites? My guess is Dr. Death. There has been perhaps four different Dr. Deaths none replacing the other and all acting like the inirial encounter.

[Leo656]

He and a couple other low ranking bat rogues were reanimated to fight Dick, Damien, and Tim in Blackest Night: Batman mini.


I should've known that, thanks. Been a long time since I read Blackest Night.

[MikeandRaph87]

Did you get a chance to look at the Blackest Night: Batman link I sent you.


I just finished the latest Fuller House episode drop. There was a segment which referring to the San Francisco Chronicle as The Chronicle was believed by a dimwitted high schooler to be a Batman villain. Odd reference and perhaps showcasing Batman villains can come out of anything silly or serious showing the success of Batman.

[Egon1982]

Clock King has always been one of my fave villains since i saw the 60's show and animated show growing up.

[myconius]

Another character I enjoy reading in The Spook, a criminally underrated threat that had early success and well done stories between 1973 to 1980. Afterwards he appeared in the first of two villain gathers, Detective Comics#526 (1983). He made Batman think himself to be dead among other darker ploys villains have pulled. Val Kaliban had done enough to be put on death row, but his escape artist mastery allowed him to avoid the sentence. How many of Batman's rogues were a threat enough for death row? There is also the problem of the two times he was dusted off (late 2003) as unable to adapt to life in Gotham of today and used as a sacrificial lamb to the debuting Damian Wayne which he is unceremoniously beheaded by the child after holding up city hall. This character needs further use and respect. A lot of directions can be taken with him becoming a true spook or true to his skill set escape the fate and getting revenge. He did get a cameo in the Scooby Doo team up title alongside a Bamtan '66 villain, False Face since, but that is not nearly what the villain needs.



i really enjoyed those comics featuring The Spook that you recommended to me.

i have to be honest, i did kind of enjoy seeing The Spook beheaded by Damian Wayne. sure it was a slapstick moment, but it showed what a Problem Child Damian truly was. and gave Batman a realization as to just what a danger this child was.

and in comics, no character is ever truly dead.

[MikeandRaph87]

i really enjoyed those comics featuring The Spook that you recommended to me.

i have to be honest, i did kind of enjoy seeing The Spook beheaded by Damian Wayne. sure it was a slapstick moment, but it showed what a Problem Child Damian truly was. and gave Batman a realization as to just what a danger this child was.

and in comics, no character is ever truly dead.

I am just surprised at how he was an actual threat while not being a big name and then forgotten only to be remembered as a joke. How can someone who was an actual threat be a joke like that? Its not freaking Signal Man or Calendar Man, or Killer Moth who always have been in-story treated as such from day one.

I thought Spook would have returned by now. If everyone else can get well.Why not play up one or the other his escape artistry to get out of the beheading or come back undead and be an actual Sppok? The only thing campy about him is coincidental, the fact his name is Val Kaliban opposed to Val Kilmer, a slight name tweak and there you go.

These are his appearances, but note #291-#294 is as a gathering of villains which he portrays a juror. Which ones did you read?
Detective Comics #434 (April 1973): "The Spook Who Stalked Batman"
Detective Comics #435 (June-July 1973): "The Spook Strikes Again"
Batman #252 (October 1973): "The Spook's Master Stroke"
Batman #276 (June 1976): "The Haunting of the Spook"
Batman #291 (September 1977): "Where Were You On the Night Batman Was Killed?"
Batman #292 (October 1977): "The Testimony of the Riddler"
Batman #293 (November 1977): "The Testimony of Luthor"
Batman #294 (December 1977): "Testimony of the Joker"
Batman #304 (October 1978 ): "To Hell with Batman--and Back"
Detective Comics #488 (February-March 1980): "The Spook's Death Sentence for Batman"
Detective Comics #526 (May 1983): "All My Enemies Against Me"

Then there is "Scared Straight" from Gotham Knights #46 (December 2003) that portrayed him differently and perhaps inspired Batman#657's use of the character. Morrison said he was a favorite forgotten character, why would you kill a favorite to build up one of her own? "Favorite", sure its what I would have done to Professor Pyg.:trazz:

[MikeandRaph87]

The other one I seem to be the only fan of is Rupert Thorne, has Carmine Falcone taken any role that Rupert Thorne would play as the plainclothes kinpin of the underworld who looks down on the "freaks"? Batman needs an untouchable if not plainclothes mob figure. Sure there is Penguin, but there is room for more and Penguin is likely to take to the field form time to time and direct thugs. Even so Carmine can be dead and Rupert can be related or connected to Falcone and try to pull a Palpitine and take power.

[myconius]

I am just surprised at how he was an actual threat while not being a big name and then forgotten only to be remembered as a joke. How can someone who was an actual threat be a joke like that? Its not freaking Signal Man or Calendar Man, or Killer Moth who always have been in-story treated as such from day one.

I thought Spook would have returned by now. If everyone else can get well.Why not play up one or the other his escape artistry to get out of the beheading or come back undead and be an actual Sppok? The only thing campy about him is coincidental, the fact his name is Val Kaliban opposed to Val Kilmer, a slight name tweak and there you go.

These are his appearances, but note #291-#294 is as a gathering of villains which he portrays a juror. Which ones did you read?
Detective Comics #434 (April 1973): "The Spook Who Stalked Batman"
Detective Comics #435 (June-July 1973): "The Spook Strikes Again"
Batman #252 (October 1973): "The Spook's Master Stroke"
Batman #276 (June 1976): "The Haunting of the Spook"
Batman #291 (September 1977): "Where Were You On the Night Batman Was Killed?"
Batman #292 (October 1977): "The Testimony of the Riddler"
Batman #293 (November 1977): "The Testimony of Luthor"
Batman #294 (December 1977): "Testimony of the Joker"
Batman #304 (October 1978 ): "To Hell with Batman--and Back"
Detective Comics #488 (February-March 1980): "The Spook's Death Sentence for Batman"
Detective Comics #526 (May 1983): "All My Enemies Against Me"

Then there is "Scared Straight" from Gotham Knights #46 (December 2003) that portrayed him differently and perhaps inspired Batman#657's use of the character. Morrison said he was a favorite forgotten character, why would you kill a favorite to build up one of her own? "Favorite", sure its what I would have done to Professor Pyg.:trazz:

i guess it all just depends on who the writer is and what classic villains they feel like dusting off.
so far most writers just want to try to create their own crappy villains to make a name for themselves.
then we end up with trash like Gotham and Gotham Girl.

Crazy Quilt was re-invented for the new52 just so he could be unceremoniously killed off.
then without explanation was simply brought back and used in a later story.

i’d read all the ones you suggested to me. pretty sure they were Detective Comics #434, Detective Comics #435, Batman #252, & Batman #276
i’ll save this list have to re-read them again soon.

why would you kill a favorite to build up one of her own? writers always do that. Tom King just recently did that to Bane, but back-peddaled it as soon as he got swamped with hate.
that didn’t stop him from sticking to killing Alfred though, that putz.

[MikeandRaph87]

i guess it all just depends on who the writer is and what classic villains they feel like dusting off.
so far most writers just want to try to create their own crappy villains to make a name for themselves.
then we end up with trash like Gotham and Gotham Girl.

Crazy Quilt was re-invented for the new52 just so he could be unceremoniously killed off.
then without explanation was simply brought back and used in a later story.

i’d read all the ones you suggested to me. pretty sure they were Detective Comics #434, Detective Comics #435, Batman #252, & Batman #276
i’ll save this list have to re-read them again soon.

why would you kill a favorite to build up one of her own? writers always do that. Tom King just recently did that to Bane, but back-peddaled it as soon as he got swamped with hate.
that didn’t stop him from sticking to killing Alfred though, that putz.

I admit I have not been reading it, but keeping tabs on it, why would Batman give Gotham Girl powers form a kryptonian device? She opted to kill Bruce in exchange for her brother. I mean, Bruce giving her powers instead of kicking her out of town or jailing her?

Wait...I know Crazy Quilt made a cameo or two in King's run, but I did not know he was killed. I actually watched this new video from Gotham Rogues this morning while eating breakfast.
gKu_1vGYKRY

[MikeandRaph87]

You still have Batman#304.

I did not realize Quilt was killed. I knew he made a cameo or two.

Why did Bruce give Gotham Girl powers instead of jail her? It was so out of character.

[myconius]

I admit I have not been reading it, but keeping tabs on it, why would Batman give Gotham Girl powers form a kryptonian device? She opted to kill Bruce in exchange for her brother. I mean, Bruce giving her powers instead of kicking her out of town or jailing her?

Wait...I know Crazy Quilt made a cameo or two in King's run, but I did not know he was killed. I actually watched this new video from Gotham Rogues this morning while eating breakfast.
gKu_1vGYKRY

everything about Tom King's Batman run was absolute trash. i've been saying it since the very first issue. and it only got worse and worse as it went.
no writer in their right mind would ever use that terrible Gotham Girl ever again. she's way worse that Scott Snyder's Harper Row.

speaking of Snyder...
here's his New52 version of Crazy Quilt, which was killed in the very same issue as he appeared.
a stark raving madman wearing a quilt. absolutely profound, right?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pE0eCc_bpek/VhnR5idQ9FI/AAAAAAAAyIo/_i03U7B7J24/s1600/cazt%2Built.jpg

[myconius]

sure its what I would have done to Professor Pyg.:trazz:

actually, it took me a bit to remember, but Grant actually killed Pyg in Batman #666.

http://thebatmanuniverse.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/AA-ASBR06-009.jpg

[MikeandRaph87]

Batman#666 is a "What If?" story though. Some of those are good others it just makes it easier to dismiss. Of all these praised Batman runs, Snyder, King, and Morrision, I prefer Morrison even if he created Damien and Professor Pyg while Spook was scarified. The reincorporation of Batman's history and Dick Grayson as Batman made it so much more enjoyable to my taste as a whole.

Was that panel with Crazy Quilt in the New 52 or Rebirth? I remember Crazy Quilt being referenced around #50 when Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, Cavalier, and Condiment King all briefly appeared in Batman#50 when Batman and Catwoman had a busy patrol taking down a bunch of losers.

I never understood the popularity of Harley Quinn. I also don't understand what makes The Batman Who Laughs stand out. Its yet another alternate evil Batman and its hard to keep up due to the number of them. Not to mention Flashpoint Earth Batman actively fighting Batman at the same time. The Wrath is the best Anti-Batman in my opinion even if it is best to limit the character to one to two storylines and be done with the character.

[myconius]

Batman#666 is a "What If?" story though. Some of those are good others it just makes it easier to dismiss. Of all these praised Batman runs, Snyder, King, and Morrision, I prefer Morrison even if he created Damien and Professor Pyg while Spook was scarified. The reincorporation of Batman's history and Dick Grayson as Batman made it so much more enjoyable to my taste as a whole.

Was that panel with Crazy Quilt in the New 52 or Rebirth? I remember Crazy Quilt being referenced around #50 when Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum, Cavalier, and Condiment King all briefly appeared in Batman#50 when Batman and Catwoman had a busy patrol taking down a bunch of losers.

I never understood the popularity of Harley Quinn. I also don't understand what makes The Batman Who Laughs stand out. Its yet another alternate evil Batman and its hard to keep up due to the number of them. Not to mention Flashpoint Earth Batman actively fighting Batman at the same time. The Wrath is the best Anti-Batman in my opinion even if it is best to limit the character to one to two storylines and be done with the character.

batman 666 might not just be a 'what if' though.
there's been an Arkham 2 project in the works for a while now, with Damian taking over as Batman.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/grant-morrison-unveils-arkham-asylum-2-batman-graphic-novel-plans-at-comic-con-1023154

no real details or date yet, but it'll be really awesome if it actually does come true.

i found Scott Snyder's run partly enjoyable, but also very irritating at as well.
he has a terrible habit of ending his single issues on ridiculous cliff hangers, only to undo it in the very next issue. it became very tiresome after a while. plus his stories are loaded with exposition dumps.
it's just like "would you just PLEASE SHUT UP and let me enjoy the story, without beating me over the head with it?"
(that was Scott Snyder's New52 Crazy Quilt that i'd posted, btw.)

as for Tom King...
that guy is the worst kind of hack writer out there.
he can't help but rely on decompressing the HECK out of his stories, cramming in as much wasteful filler, make Batman as incompetent as possible, then out of nowhere just have Batman win the day for no other reason besides "plot".
and how many random nobodies did King have easily slit Batman throat?
it was embarrassing to both Batman and the goober that was writing him.

Morrison's handling of Dick Grayson was some of the best, next to Chuck Dixon's Nightwing run. been years since i'd read it. going to have to dig those stories out again.

i really wish that Harley Quinn had just stayed in Batman the Animated Series.
she's nothing but an annoyance as far as i'm concerned.

[MikeandRaph87]

I just finished rereading my New Titans runs. It really should have ended after #55. I understand the plot just drags on after that. The romantic relationships are nothing but several plot devices that its hard to tell if its something that is true of the characters but excuses for Wolfman's preferred plot direction. There were some pretty good plots though with Changeling's character arc and dusting off the poorly utilized Doom Patrol, the villains inherited and original, and seeing Dick come into his own, though I argue how it would have been more interesting seeing Robin on his own as a whole not just Dick Grayson.


I hope Tynion ( its weird someone my age writing Batman) gets a good handle on Riddler. Edward's portrayal has been all over the place since the 21st century began.

Perhaps, but I think of Dick as the heir and even if there are other potentials it cannot be anyone else. As for Damien he is good to play off of others, but leading the Titans because he is holding Dick's mantle? I see Batman#666 as a possible future just like so many others out there from Batman#300 ( my favorite) or Batman Beyond, etc.

What of King Snake? He appeared in three stories and is Bane's father? Like Cluemaster he gets a boost out of who his progeny even if Stephanie's stock is down. He is an official Bat Rogue? Should more be done with him?

[Leo656]

Nobody has a good Riddler story left in them. All anyone ever does is try and turn him into Jigsaw, and that's SO not who that character is. He CAN'T just be neurotic; not "flashy" enough. He's gotta be a psychotic serial killer or else he can't "hang" with the rest of them.

I mean, I get it. Guys like Joker and Croc really wreck the curve for all the other Bat-villains; one guy's got a body count that's higher than the population of some small countries, the other's a giant lizard-guy who eats people. I always had a bad feeling that as characters like that got kind of out of control and over-exposed, it would completely ruin any Bat-villains who were... y'know... NOT so far-out. And now, here we are.

I mean, I like Riddler for nostalgic reasons, but the last good story he had a hand in was "Hush", and before that, was...? I kinda feel like maybe they should just retire him completely since he just doesn't "fit" anymore. I didn't even have a problem with him going straight and being a detective for a while, because at least it gave him something to do. But I'm not interested in seeing anyone make him a generic psycho just so he can keep pace with the rest of them; if all anyone can do to make him "relevant" is bastardize him, then just retire him.

Let's be honest, his whole gimmick is simply not a good fit for anything Batman-related post-1988 or so.

[Voltron]

I really wasn't fond of Hush. Loeb writes characters with the subtlety of an atomic bomb, and Riddler is nothing if not subtle. It was a great idea that fell short in the hands of a writer who couldn't land the character.

Personally, the Riddler is one of my favorites for the reasons that Leo points out about Joker and Croc. He isn't a homicidal psychopath. He's just compelled to commit crimes and leave clues. Hence the subtlety.

I do like his role as an information broker who often runs afoul of Amanda Waller, though. The Batman vs. Waller vs. Riddler triangle is really fun to watch.

[AquaParade]

I'm partial to Lord Death Man.

http://img4.imagetitan.com/img4/small/21/21_images(2).jpeg (http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=21_images(2).jpeg)

[MikeandRaph87]

Was the Lord Death-Man from the Manga mini-series the same exact character as the notable one-shot foe from Batman#180 or two separate characters? Cavalier and Spook both had similarly named characters Batman faced in Legends of The Dark Knight arcs, but were different people with the same masked aliases.

[MikeandRaph87]

Man-Bat/Kirk Langstrom had a notable three part introduction in 1970 and a couple of more stories that quickly followed. Then his character seemed to change back and forth between a controlled mutation and ally to an uncontrollable monster while Kirk himself is not evil. He is Neal Adams other co-creation and made his other media debut in Batman:TAS's very first episode. A seemingly well known character who goes for a stretch with a direction ten disappears for awhile. Known yes, but underrated as well. How best can he be used?

[MikeandRaph87]

I really wasn't fond of Hush. Loeb writes characters with the subtlety of an atomic bomb, and Riddler is nothing if not subtle. It was a great idea that fell short in the hands of a writer who couldn't land the character.

Personally, the Riddler is one of my favorites for the reasons that Leo points out about Joker and Croc. He isn't a homicidal psychopath. He's just compelled to commit crimes and leave clues. Hence the subtlety.

I do like his role as an information broker who often runs afoul of Amanda Waller, though. The Batman vs. Waller vs. Riddler triangle is really fun to watch.

Assault on Arkham was an interesting take on the character. Probably the best written in that one-off. Either the Hush concept as a master mind or the detective out to prove himself and demand ridiculous prices for his services were great. Nothing seems to stick. Though not many directions for any character do. Joker and Two Face are two easy examples of that as well.

[MikeandRaph87]

Killer Moth is known as the poster example of loser villains even more so than Calendar Man or Cat Man. He had a three story arc way back in 1951 then he was tied to Batgirl, fighting her every so often. The charaxes (spelling?) mutation did not take off and then Superboy Prime killed him. He is back, but needs proper attention and care. If it can be done for Cat Man and even Calendar Man so why not Drury Walker?

[2K3]

Killer Moth is known as the poster example of loser villains even more so than Calendar Man or Cat Man. He had a three story arc way back in 1951 then he was tied to Batgirl, fighting her every so often. The charaxes (spelling?) mutation did not take off and then Superboy Prime killed him. He is back, but needs proper attention and care. If it can be done for Cat Man and even Calendar Man so why not Drury Walker?

I Loved the redesign he was given during Jeff Lemire's "Green Arrow" run. He looked amazing!

[Voltron]

Assault on Arkham was an interesting take on the character. Probably the best written in that one-off. Either the Hush concept as a master mind or the detective out to prove himself and demand ridiculous prices for his services were great. Nothing seems to stick. Though not many directions for any character do. Joker and Two Face are two easy examples of that as well.

The thing about Batman is that he worked for all his skills. In Hush's introduction (and every story I read) he never did. He was just on par with Bats from the get-go, no training or experience needed. That bothered me a lot.

I blame a lot of that on Jeph Loeb. He writes with the subtlety of an atomic bomb. Hence, mysteries and detective stories are not his strength. Everything was more or less spoon-fed to the audience, and everything was just an excuse to insert another action scene. Cool idea. Poor execution.

There was another story where he faced off against the Joker and lost. Then he ended up doing some favors for Prometheus and won the second round against Joker. I felt that was a better use of his skill set.

Another was The Heart of Hush, where he was formidable but still not able to entirely overwhelm Batman. Much more fun read.

[Leo656]

Fair points, except I feel compelled to comment on the status of Hush as a supposed "mystery story". Having re-read it a few times recently, it really isn't a "mystery" as much as it is a tragedy. Hush's identity is pretty much given away immediately if you pay attention and they really don't make any effort to trick the reader into thinking it could possibly be anyone else besides Tommy Elliot. The story REALLY seems to be more about the tragedy of Bruce Wayne's life in that he can never fully trust or commit to anyone because everyone ultimately betrays him in some form or fashion. The theme of betrayal, or threatened/suspected betrayal, comes through in several characters who are prominently featured - Harvey Dent, Harold Allnut, Jason Todd, Elliot himself, and then Catwoman at the end. Even though some of them are "redeemed" in the end or don't actually betray Bruce after all, the idea that a man who knowingly surrounds himself with so many people he can nonetheless never completely put his faith or trust in, is the theme the story dwells on and ends upon.

None of this seems accidental or coincidental upon re-reading it. So again, I actually don't think it was written to be a "mystery" in the first place, I think that was something the marketing department ran with because it sounded sexier. Read as a "Whodunit", it's paper-thin, but read as a tragedy it's much more rich and fulfilling.

All of this obviously only applies to the comics and not that horrible animated adaptation made by people who never read the books. Holy sh*t, that was terrible.

[2K3]

It's been a couple of years, and truth be told, my top 10 have changed a bit, a few have stuck around, but there are a few new ones:

1 - Black Mask
2 - Rupert Thorne
3 - Cavalier
4 - Great White Shark
5 - Firefly
6 - Maxie Zeus
7 - Blockbuster
8 -Ventriloquist
9 - Anarky
10 - Kite Man

HONORARY MENTION: Electrocutioner, KGBeast, James Gordon Jr.

[MikeandRaph87]

A slightly different topic I would like takes on, who are not Batman Villains, but those who are considered Associated with Batman, like a villain of no particular rogues gallery or of another, but has an association as an opponent of Batman?

Lex Luthor-fought him in the World's Finest title during the Silver Age on multiple occasions, even participated in a Bat Rogue trial to determine who killed Batman in the late 70s'. He later would rebuild Gotham after No Man's Land to use to gain the presidential candidacy. In the New 52 run he somewhow fought out that Bruce Wayne was Batman. Not to mention their rival industries and intellect.

Deathstroke-Originally a Teen Titans enemy and having a particular hatred for Batman's original partner Dick Grayson he came into conflict with Batman in the 21st century through DC-wide events and a couple of personal battles.

Solomon Grundy-Originally an opponent of the first Green Lantern, Alan Scott and the JSA as a whole. His origin set outside of Gotham in Slaughter Swamp sometimes suggest he emcounters Batman. That did not happen until 1983's Detective Comics#523 leading up to Killer Croc and Jason Todd. He was latter a background character in The Long Halloween and even portrayed on Gotham.

Gentleman Ghost-While one of the three most presistent Hawkman villains he fought Batman four times in the late 70s to early 80s'.

Crazy Quilt-He had two run ins with Batman and Robin and then beat up Todd thinking he was Grayson. Since then he was shown in a flashback tale and alluded to every so often. I don't know if he is technically considered a loser level villain of Batman's or just associated with.

Copperhead-No Rogues Gallery to call his own membership of, he debuted against Batman and had resurfaced a few years after Manhunter killed him as a minor threat in late New 52 and during Rebirth.

Kobra-Terrorist organization leader who deciphered the formula of the Lazarus Pits and fought Batman multiple times perhaps most notably when Bruce lead the Outsiders. His organization sometimes runs afoul of Batman such as in a Detective Comics arc last year.

Calculator-A foe that debuted in a backup of Detective Comics which Batman sought the help of the Justice League to defeat. Then created an organization that fought Robin and Batgirl. After he was revamped as a part of The Secret Society as Oracle's evil opposite he fought the Bat Family for a little while before disappearing again.

Lex and Ghost have a particular rogues gallery despite fighting Batman multiple times while the others don't seem to have an assigned rogues gallery unless Deathstroke has gone from Titans to not labeled. Anyone I listed that not in this category? Who else would fit in this category? Looking for your opinion!

[MikeandRaph87]

Zebra Man, a one shot villain aside from being a part of The Battle for Metropolis is back as a member of the Suicide Squad. Why not Polka Dot Man since James Gunn picked that joke for the pseudo sequel? Not a fan of either.

Also Magpie, another one shot for who was killed off is back as a member of the group. Why not more interesting ones if you are going to use low level Batman villains? Signalman or Spook would be interesting to see.