RISE and FALL - The countdown to cancellation.

[Leonardo_thebest]

We can't bet real money, so let's bet Pizza.

I'll wager three all dressed, and one 4 cheese and pepperoni it dies in May 2019.

Go.

Ante up with slices, or raise with whole pies.

[Leonardo2003]

So you’re saying 1 season? I say at least 3 full seasons.

[neatoman]

Yeah, one season seems a little short. Two seasons are pretty much expected for any cartoon. At least two or three seasons but not over eight. My guess is four or five.

[IndigoErth]

Aw, come on, that ain't nice... even for this. :tlol: And six months early. :trazz:


Worst case scenario, I give it 3 seasons. Two to try to run out their initial main plan for it, and one to jump the shark if it wasn't working out too great.

If it was rock bottom boring I'd give it one, but the modern style that looks to aim to bombard the viewer with visual craziness, with city backgrounds akin to a manic candy store sugar rush, will probably help stave off boring-ness, at least for a while. (edit: Of course, now that causes me more concern about it... being visually flashy to get attention rather than earned attention via actual effort.)

Tell you what... At least run it long enough that they have time to come out with a cute figure I actually want to own, so I can have just one for prosperity (is that the right word...) sake.

[Vicky82]

The show hasn't even started yet and we already got a 2nd thread on how long will this show will last.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=59612

[CyberCubed]

Don't you guys ever get bored of hating on a show before it even airs? At least wait till you see what it's like before speculating doom and gloom.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Don't you guys ever get bored of hating on a show before it even airs? At least wait till you see what it's like before speculating doom and gloom.

Says the man who blindly hated on turtle nostrils.

Have you no shame, sir?

#turtleshavetobreathetoo

[Andrew NDB]

Says the man who blindly hated on turtle nostrils.

Pro tip: Cubed never really hated the nostrils.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Pro tip: Cubed never really hated the nostrils.

Course he did. Everything Cubed says is 100% genuine and sincere.

C'mon, man, this is the internet! We all tell the truth around here!

[Shark_Blade]

If Teen Titans Go! can still go on with 5 Seasons and with an upcoming movie, then I think it’d be the same way for Rise.

[Utrommaniac]

Course he did. Everything Cubed says is 100% genuine and sincere.

C'mon, man, this is the internet! We all tell the truth around here!

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[plastroncafe]

Remember the days when folks focused on why they loved the things they do, and not why they hated things they didn't like?

Those were good days.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Remember the days when folks focused on why they loved the things they do, and not why they hated things they didn't like?

Those were good days.

Kinda like how we're all hanging out together because our appreciation of TMNT brought us together?

Except that some of you people like what you've seen of Rise, and deserve to sleep out on the porch for bringing dishonor upon this great and noble house? :trazz:

[plastroncafe]

Kinda like how we're all hanging out together because our appreciation of TMNT brought us together?

Except that some of you people like what you've seen of Rise, and deserve to sleep out on the porch for bringing dishonor upon this great and noble house? :trazz:

Oh yes. The great and noble house that brought us such dignified events as: Leonardo Has A Rowboat, Coming Out Of Our Shells, and Doodle!April.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Oh yes. The great and noble house that brought us such dignified events as: Leonardo Has A Rowboat, Coming Out Of Our Shells, and Doodle!April.

...

I'm almost embarrassed to ask, but what's the rowboat?

2 outta 3 ain't bad.

[plastroncafe]

...

I'm almost embarrassed to ask, but what's the rowboat?

2 outta 3 ain't bad.

Never say I didn't do anything for you. :D
QTFm21tN6ds

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Never say I didn't do anything for you. :D
QTFm21tN6ds

Well, at least Oprah wasn't part of that one. :trazz:

[plastroncafe]

Dignity.
Always, dignity.

[Autbot_Benz]

I honestly thought our resident complainer Vegita-San made this thread. Boy was I wrong. :lol:

[sdp]

Regardless of quality this show is set to bomb, I'd be surprised if it becomes a mild success. It has done a textbook example of how not to re-energize a brand.

I'm giving it 2 seasons max if they're really invested in the concept and want to ride it out. I'm thinking it bombs after one season.

I'm excited to watch it though, It probably won't blow my mind away but it has potential to entertain me.

Remember the days when folks focused on why they loved the things they do, and not why they hated things they didn't like?

Those were good days.

The internet has always been negative but around the time when youtube started and the Angry Video Game Nerd became popular, that was the downfall. It gets more people engaged to be negative and talk about how something sucks.

If Teen Titans Go! can still go on with 5 Seasons and with an upcoming movie, then I think it’d be the same way for Rise.



This is not like Teen Titans Go though, it's more akin to The New Adventures of He-Man.

[IndigoErth]

Never say I didn't do anything for you. :D
QTFm21tN6ds
How and why is this a thing??? :lol::lol: I do not understand what I just watched, why it exists, or wtf that even was.... but best part of the day. :D:tlol: Why did I not know this exists? The kids... they're all like, "OMG, this damn Turtle! Stop doing it wrong!" :tlol:

Alright, so next time any one whines that he's "too perfect" I will claim that yes, Leo has his flaws. For starters, he's bad at row boats. (Jokingly.) Maybe muscle memory for sword use is too hard to get away from and he just flails the oars around ineffectively... lol

Thanks for sharing that. :D



Anyway, where were we...

[plastroncafe]

How and why is this a thing??? :lol::lol: I do not understand what I just watched, why it exists, or wtf that even was.... but best part of the day. :D:tlol: Why did I not know this exists? The kids... they're all like, "OMG, this damn Turtle! Stop doing it wrong!" :tlol:

Alright, so next time any one whines that he's "too perfect" I will claim that yes, Leo has his flaws. For starters, he's bad at row boats. (Jokingly.) Maybe muscle memory for sword use is too hard to get away from and he just flails the oars around ineffectively... lol

Thanks for sharing that. :D



Anyway, where were we...

You're not alone in your confusion, Michael Sinterniklaas is right there with you.
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[IndigoErth]

:lol: Awesome and adorable reaction from him.

Well now that I ventured fully into that deliciously terrible bit of Turtle history... I don't know what's worse, Leo and his row boat or Raph who can't deal with a carousel but refuses to sit normally and instead climbs around on the horse(s) like a weirdo. lol

Someone should hire very bad, very amateur script and song writers who enjoy a retro style and have the PD brothers do a sequel for sheer guilty pleasure entertainment value.

[ProactiveMan]

I've always been disturbed by those costumes. They look like puppets fashioned from exhumed Ninja Turtle corpses, Texas Chainsaw Massacre style.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

How and why is this a thing??? :lol::lol: I do not understand what I just watched, why it exists, or wtf that even was.... but best part of the day. :D:tlol: Why did I not know this exists? The kids... they're all like, "OMG, this damn Turtle! Stop doing it wrong!" :tlol:

Alright, so next time any one whines that he's "too perfect" I will claim that yes, Leo has his flaws. For starters, he's bad at row boats. (Jokingly.) Maybe muscle memory for sword use is too hard to get away from and he just flails the oars around ineffectively... lol

Thanks for sharing that. :D



Anyway, where were we...

Wow! And I thought We Wish You a Turtles Christmas was bad. I'd still rather watch that over the PD films. Turtle Tunes though, I'll have to get around to watching that.

You're not alone in your confusion, Michael Sinterniklaas is right there with you.
JZDevd8mh1s

MS' reaction was priceless as hell!

[ABrown]

I think it depends on what kind of treatment Nickelodeon gives the show. If they give them the Justice League Action 5:00 A.M. once a week treatment, then it's fate will be the same as JLA: it won't see the end of its first season. Sticking with the Cartoon Network analogy, if it gets the Teen Titans Go airing 62 times a day treatment, it might be a huge success. So depending on how Nickelodeon treats the show, it could end up on either end of the spectrum or anywhere in between.

[Coola Yagami]

Why was JLA given such a horrible time slot.

[The Deadman]

Don't you guys ever get bored of hating on a show before it even airs? At least wait till you see what it's like before speculating doom and gloom.

Nope. Next there will be a thread on how people are stupid for liking said show.

[newfan]

If the show captures kids and sells toys then I don't see why it would get less than 3 seasons. Nick showing some love would help too, which I think they will in the start.

Anyway, so how many seasons do people consider as success on here?

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Don't you guys ever get bored of hating on a show before it even airs? At least wait till you see what it's like before speculating doom and gloom.

Like you, when Justice League Action was revealed?:trolleye:

It's hard to really say at this point. As of right now, this show has more of a 'wait and see' impression on me. If it's successful, I guess maybe three to four seasons. If it fails, then just the one season.

[CyberCubed]

Justice League Action is fine, I was just surprised Kevin Conroy was playing Batman in it.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Why was JLA given such a horrible time slot.

Quite a bit of CN's shows have been given terrible time slots for the past few years. Sonic Boom included. If this show were to air on CN, it definitely would be one of them.

[CyberCubed]

Cartoon Network hates all action shows.

Same reason Young Justice Season 3 will be airing on DC's new online streaming channel rather than Cartoon Network because they don't want it.

[Xav]

So than why did they order another season of Samurai Jack and air it at prime time?

[Utrommaniac]

There is so much more beyond "Leonardo Has a Rowboat" and it's like looking deep into a pit in Hell.
Worse than Coming Out of Our Shells, worse than having terrible Christmas time management.


Just...doing a whole lot of nothing to public use songs.

[Metalwolf]

So than why did they order another season of Samurai Jack and air it at prime time?Only because Genndy kept bugging them to. They weren't exactly beating down his door to do it.

If they were truly interested, wouldn't they have picked it up immediately? It took him years to find some network or producers to take him, and I think he ended up returning to CN, who at the end only gave him 10 episodes. Either they were not interested in that show anymore, or what he intended to have in the final season wasn't something they were that thrilled about. Even though SJ did return on the air (briefly) they didn't seem exactly enthusiastic about the idea of bringing it back, so I don't know if this could really be used as a good example.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I just love a lot of the reasons some people give for hating this;

"Where are Krang and Shredder? It's not TMNT without the Krang and shredder! I don't' care about other villains, I want my krang and shredder!"

"Why do they have magic powers? I don't care if ninjas in Japanese folklore have magic powers, turtles must have no powers!"

"Why are they all different species of turtles? How dare they not all be red ears sliders EVERY TIME! I don't care how interesting they look!"

"Different weapons? No! the turtles must always have their signature weapons! How dare Splinter start them off with different weapons for their ninja training!"

"Leo must be leader! How dare you have leader grow into that role, instead of just naturally starting out a good leader! Raph would never declare himself leader, and use his strength and anger to try and enforce his will! He never was mad about not being leader, and never argued with Leo over it! Leo must be leader!"

"It's not the 2012 series! The 2012 series was done story-wise, but I want it back, waaaaaaah!"

UGH! I hate being a turtle fan sometimes

[CyberCubed]

The funniest part of it all is all the classic TMNT elements will likely come into play as the show progresses too. You'll see Shredder and other familiar villains (they flat out said old villains would return in the latest interview), Leo will likely grow into the leader (again they heavily implied Raph is only leading temporary), and we'll probably see Raph get his sai's too.

Granted the Turtles and April's designs will stick the entire show, but I suppose people will get used to them.

[Metalwolf]

I just love a lot of the reasons some people give for hating this;

"Where are Krang and Shredder? It's not TMNT without the Krang and shredder! I don't' care about other villains, I want my krang and shredder!"

"Why do they have magic powers? I don't care if ninjas in Japanese folklore have magic powers, turtles must have no powers!"

"Why are they all different species of turtles? How dare they not all be red ears sliders EVERY TIME! I don't care how interesting they look!"

"Different weapons? No! the turtles must always have their signature weapons! How dare Splinter start them off with different weapons for their ninja weapons!"

"Leo must be leader! How dare you have leader grow into that role, instead of just naturally starting out a good leader! Raph would never declare himself leader, and use his strength and anger to try and enforce, he never was mad about not being leader, and argued with Leo over it! Leo must be leader!"

"It's not the 2012 series! The 2012 series was done story-wise, but I want it back, waaaaaaah!"

UGH! I hate being a turtle fan sometimesDon't forget 'There's gotta be Bebop and Rocksteady. If the villain has any henchmen, they gotta be Bebop and Rocksteady!'

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Don't forget 'There's gotta be Bebop and Rocksteady. If the villain has any henchmen, they gotta be Bebop and Rocksteady!'

Yeah, as much as I love those two, they don't have to be EVERYWHERE! While they are my favorite shredder henchman, they make no sense if shredder isn't even THERE! XD

[CyberCubed]

Shredder will be there eventually. The Foot Clan are in this and the writing staff already implied Shredder will show up. He'll probably either first appear in the halfway point of Season 1 or by the finale at the latest.

[sdp]

The longer it takes for classic TMNT elements to appear the better, especially if it's going to bomb. Let this show do its own thing.

Once we get a more traditional show then yeah let's have their classic elements but if we're already doing crazy things might as well go all out and see what works and what doesn't.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

The longer it takes for classic TMNT elements to appear the better, especially if it's going to bomb. Let this show do its own thing.

Once we get a more traditional show then yeah let's have their classic elements but if we're already doing crazy things might as well go all out and see what works and what doesn't.

For me, it's not even just this show; this show looks like it had its' good or bad, like all other incarnations. I just hate it that whenever a new version does it's own thing in any way, and doesn't stick to the paint-by-numbers path, we get nerd rage.

[KillCrites]

I don't really see why people think this show will be awful or will be cancelled, especially before the show's even aired. I think everything that's been shown so far is great. The action is interesting, the humor seems about as good as the previous series, and the animation and the characters designs are very unique and fun to look at. But that's just my take.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

For me, it's not even just this show; this show looks like it had its' good or bad, like all other incarnations. I just hate it that whenever a new version does it's own thing in any way, and doesn't stick to the paint-by-numbers path, we get nerd rage.

To be fair, there are quite a bit of aspects going against this show. The designs and animation will put off some fans depending on personal taste. It is interesting that this show is doing something different from the norm but as PD has shown us, being different doesn't always mean it's going to be 'good'. I'm just going to wait and see.

[victory_angel]

Somehow I feel this might not be my version of the Turtles. I have liked the previous incarnations even enjoyed them. But I’ve had my problems with them too.

The only ones that never really appealed was next mutation and the Chojen Ninja Ninja Turtles.

So I’m going to keep an open mind and see how this one goes before I make any judgements on it.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

To be fair, there are quite a bit of aspects going against this show. The designs and animation will put off some fans depending on personal taste. It is interesting that this show is doing something different from the norm but as PD has shown us, being different doesn't always mean it's going to be 'good'. I'm just going to wait and see.

I can agree with that. For me, I'm split on the show; I don't care for the designs or animation; but some of the concepts have me intrigued! New weapons to start out with? Baron Draxum, a 'protector of mutants' type like magneto, the main villain at first? Magical powers tied to their ninjitsu? Shredder and the revenge plot coming much later in the series, with a proper build-up? Leo having to grow into his role as leader? The turtles learning to be ninjas over the course of a show, rather than starting out a series or movie as good fighters? Sign me up! :D

But if we're going to plod down the same road again- meet April, tell April backstory, fight primarily shredder with other villains on the side, all turtles are red eared sliders, and have their stereotyped personalities, and mostly use their signature weapons, and we start with them already good with tiher weapons, and trained in ninjitsu- *yawn*

Why can't any character grow into their familiar role anymore? :( why do they have to start fully formed? :(

[sdp]

While I agree I think it depends and I'll use 2012 as an example.

Bringing back so many characters only to act nothing like them?

Bruce Lee Hun? He would've been far cooler as an original character.


I'm not saying don't do new things with them look at Mona Lisa in that case it worked because they respected the character.

[IndigoErth]

I think Mona also had a bit of leeway since her existence had previously amounted to just one appearance a long time ago. She's always had her fans, who may or may not have been to fond of her becoming an alien, but for most there probably just wasn't enough attachment to care that much what was done with her. Not the same as the boys being the center of it for 34 years.

Will be curious if she shows up in this next one and in what way.

[Zog The Magnificent]

I'm all for shows doing their own thing, but there are some things I feel like you shouldn't mess with. Beware the Batman, for example. It's a very non-traditional Batman, but it still keeps all of the core elements intact. If they made a new batman cartoon, but then were like "We're gonna have Commissioner Gordon turn into the Joker, and Batman is gonna kill, and Harley is gonna be all over Killer Croc instead," well that would be taking "doing your own thing" too far. You would be forgetting the things that made the characters in the first place. I don't mind things like Shredder not being around at first and the turtles starting at a lower level of training, but I don't think you should be messing with the character's core traits, like their weapons or their personalities. If Leonardo isn't the grounded leader, it just isn't Leonardo. Ultimately this show has enough interesting things going on with it that I'll give it a chance, but I do think that some of the changes they made came from the wrong place.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I'm all for shows doing their own thing, but there are some things I feel like you shouldn't mess with. Beware the Batman, for example. It's a very non-traditional Batman, but it still keeps all of the core elements intact. If they made a new batman cartoon, but then were like "We're gonna have Commissioner Gordon turn into the Joker, and Batman is gonna kill, and Harley is gonna be all over Killer Croc instead," well that would be taking "doing your own thing" too far. You would be forgetting the things that made the characters in the first place. I don't mind things like Shredder not being around at first and the turtles starting at a lower level of training, but I don't think you should be messing with the character's core traits, like their weapons or their personalities. If Leonardo isn't the grounded leader, it just isn't Leonardo. Ultimately this show has enough interesting things going on with it that I'll give it a chance, but I do think that some of the changes they made came from the wrong place.

I disagree. I think it's more interesting to start them training with different weapons, to practice and develop their ninja skills, before moving on to their traditional weapons. I think watching Leonardo start as a cocky and cool dude, then grow into the serious and stoic leader we know, is far more interesting than starting him there. We've never had a chance to see this point in their lives, except in flashbacks. Starting with them as bad fighters with different weapons and slightly different personalities, and growing into the TMNT we know and love, is an original premise I'd love to see played with.

[CyberCubed]

Remember when people were constantly worried about the Turtles being humans before being mutants? I love how that's never happened in 4 cartoons so far when people keep bringing that up. :lol:

[sdp]

And April is not Baxter's daughter as some had speculated either. But Real White Red Headed April being kidnapped by the Kraang and taken to their planet before the show starts and being replaced by this April in Name Only character is still up in the air.

[Papenbrook]

I think Mona also had a bit of leeway since her existence had previously amounted to just one appearance a long time ago. She's always had her fans, who may or may not have been to fond of her becoming an alien, but for most there probably just wasn't enough attachment to care that much what was done with her. Not the same as the boys being the center of it for 34 years.

Will be curious if she shows up in this next one and in what way.

Someone (on TVTropes) speculated that she would be Leonardo's love interest.

Ugh! I know that she (likely) won't even be in this new series, but ... just ... why?!

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Someone (on TVTropes) speculated that she would be Leonardo's love interest.

Ugh! I know that she (likely) won't even be in this new series, but ... just ... why?!

Because Leonardo and not Raphael painted the Mona Lisa :lol:

[Papenbrook]

Because Leonardo and not Raphael painted the Mona Lisa :lol:

But still, why?!

Why must she be a love interest?!

[ZariusTwo]

The action is interesting

How?

the humor seems about as good as the previous series

So terrible then.

and the animation and the characters designs are very unique and fun to look at.

They're eyesores.

[IndigoErth]

Leo's love interest? No thanks. They've already gone far enough into trying to turn him into Raph, they don't need to try to give him Raph's girlfriend, too.

If any of the guys have to have love interests (though I really doubt we'll see any this go around), can at least maybe those stay within the previously established canon? (I mean, come on, historically speaking she's not even Leo's type...)

Because Leonardo and not Raphael painted the Mona Lisa :lol:
No reason they can't appreciate each other's art or women named after them. lol

[FredWolfLeonardo]

But still, why?!

Why must she be a love interest?!

Because that's what Mona Lisa has always been?

I mean, I know this show is taking its chances by changing many things about the turtles like making the Raph the leader, but I wouldn't mind seeing Leo's love interest being Mona Lisa. It would be a familiar yet new take on a ship involving one of the most beloved one off characters in tmnt.

[plastroncafe]

But still, why?!

Why must she be a love interest?!

Come now, we both know the reason for this:
If a female character isn't a love interest, then she's taking up precious space on the character roster that could better be filled by another dude character.

[newfan]

The 2018 threads seem to be merging in conversation.

We don't even know Mona will be in it (do we?)
Anwyay, we all know Shredder will get the romance this time :lol: Just kidding, I agree with Indigo, I don't see much of this happening in this series, I'd not care for that change if it were to happen either.

[Shark_Blade]

Because Leonardo and not Raphael painted the Mona Lisa :lol:

Underrated post. :tlol:

[IndigoErth]

Anwyay, we all know Shredder will get the romance this time :lol:
Hey, why not. How about a mad woman with a fetish for super villeins that won't leave him alone. :tlol: An equally aggressive match determined to make him hers.

[CyberCubed]

The only real reason Rise may not last that long is with Toys R Us going out of business (and by the time the show starts in September, they'll likely all be gone), is all the new toys from Playmates are going to have a much smaller market now. All they really have is Walmart and Target now and a few minor stores, but the end of Toys R US is a huge blow to toymakers.

A lot of the TMNT cartoons success rides on toy sales, and this will be the first cartoon that goes on the air after Toys R Us is gone.

[miru]

Three seasons. But after that? Will it even be remembered? Even in a negative light?

[CyberCubed]

Nobody knows till it airs.

[Andrew NDB]

The only real reason Rise may not last that long is with Toys R Us going out of business (and by the time the show starts in September, they'll likely all be gone), is all the new toys from Playmates are going to have a much smaller market now. All they really have is Walmart and Target now and a few minor stores, but the end of Toys R US is a huge blow to toymakers.

A lot of the TMNT cartoons success rides on toy sales, and this will be the first cartoon that goes on the air after Toys R Us is gone.

Smaller toy market... shorter and cheaper shows.

Seems to all check out.

[frank_one]

Are we sure that without Toys R Us around the amount of toys sold across the world will decrease? You know, I'm not an economist or something. One toy seller is gone, but the market is still there, I mean, the people who are in need of toys and who potentially will buy toys are still there. Maybe the other toy selling companies will just take and share that piece of the market Toys R Us has left.

[Utrommaniac]

There are plenty of other places besides Toys R Us to buy toys. At this point, it's just about anywhere. If it's a shopping center with a kid's section, they're bound to be there. There's also the online market.

With how much Toys R Us had been down the tubes for years before its closure, I don't think sales from there will affect too much.

[frank_one]

A lot of the TMNT cartoons success rides on toy sales, and this will be the first cartoon that goes on the air after Toys R Us is gone.
Is selling toys STILL so relevant like it was in the 80's and 00's?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

"Why do they have magic powers? I don't care if ninjas in Japanese folklore have magic powers, turtles must have no powers!"

I think the idea of magic is the biggest issue. But it seems the turtles will not have any superpowers, just use magic weapons except for Donatello.

[IndigoErth]

Are we assuming Donnie's isn't magic just because it wasn't shown glowing?

If the "powers" are just in the weapons... Not big on powers as a whole series concept, but whatever. Don't go giving the TMNT actual powers because ninjas in folklore have only fabled "powers" that aren't real; the TMNT's should be likewise based on trickery and skill, only looking like magic to their foes.


As for the toys, well... here's to hoping that KB Toys jumps in with a great plan and can pull off a win, stepping up in to the void TRU will leave behind. And I hope can come through like TRU did when I could not find things at Walmart and Target's more limited selection.

Sounds like they may also put some focus on adult collectors too, not just the kiddies and kid stuff, so that's awesome. :tgrin:

[victory_angel]

Are we assuming Donnie's isn't magic just because it wasn't shown glowing?

If the "powers" are just in the weapons... Not big on powers as a whole series concept, but whatever. Don't go giving the TMNT actual powers because ninjas in folklore have only fabled "powers" that aren't real; the TMNT's should be likewise based on trickery and skill, only looking like magic to their foes.


As for the toys, well... here's to hoping that KB Toys jumps in with a great plan and can pull off a win, stepping up in to the void TRU will leave behind. And I hope can come through like TRU did when I could not find things at Walmart and Target's more limited selection.

Sounds like they may also put some focus on adult collectors too, not just the kiddies and kid stuff, so that's awesome. :tgrin:

Or Donnie would be the last one to really develop powers because he is the intellectual of the group. Yes in this version he will be into Sci-fi, but even then he would still be rigid in what is considered tangible in his mind. Where as 4Kids Donnie was the first to really start developing his chi paths.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

If the turtles use powers, Donatello should be like when Han Solo from Star Wars doesn't believe in the Force.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Are we assuming Donnie's isn't magic just because it wasn't shown glowing?

If the "powers" are just in the weapons... Not big on powers as a whole series concept, but whatever. Don't go giving the TMNT actual powers because ninjas in folklore have only fabled "powers" that aren't real; the TMNT's should be likewise based on trickery and skill, only looking like magic to their foes.


As for the toys, well... here's to hoping that KB Toys jumps in with a great plan and can pull off a win, stepping up in to the void TRU will leave behind. And I hope can come through like TRU did when I could not find things at Walmart and Target's more limited selection.

Sounds like they may also put some focus on adult collectors too, not just the kiddies and kid stuff, so that's awesome. :tgrin:

Actually the ninja in folklore were supposed to have actual supernatural powers, such as the kuji-kiri hand signals. While it was trickery in real life, on the folklore and legends themselves the powers were supposed to be real. And it gets pretty silly when you say ninja a on the turtles world can't use magic, when most tmnt incarnations have the foot mystics. Trying to say the turtles wouldn't usE those abilities, especially when we saw splinter using such powers in mirage as early as the gosei hattori story, saying the turtles can't use ninja magic is silly.

[Shiro Kame]

Gonna have to wait until the first episode airs before making a calculated guess. At least it doesn't look like it'll be TTG's brand of stupidity and laziness.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Are we assuming Donnie's isn't magic just because it wasn't shown glowing?

Combined with our knowledge of who Donatello is, and what he usually believes in.

[Coola Yagami]

Hey, why not. How about a mad woman with a fetish for super villeins that won't leave him alone. :tlol: An equally aggressive match determined to make him hers.

Dude..... like why not?

[IndigoErth]

Actually the ninja in folklore were supposed to have actual supernatural powers, such as the kuji-kiri hand signals. While it was trickery in real life, on the folklore and legends themselves the powers were supposed to be real. And it gets pretty silly when you say ninja a on the turtles world can't use magic, when most tmnt incarnations have the foot mystics. Trying to say the turtles wouldn't usE those abilities, especially when we saw splinter using such powers in mirage as early as the gosei hattori story, saying the turtles can't use ninja magic is silly.
Silly? Uh, no.

I believe it is more of a matter that we prefer different angles on it... indulging in folklore vs exploring the use of trickery that created said folklore. You want them magical (I guess?), while I'd rather they only trick their enemies into thinking they are (thus instilling fear and uncertainty and throwing them off balance). C'est la vie.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Silly? Uh, no.

I believe it is more of a matter that we prefer different angles on it... indulging in folklore vs exploring the use of trickery that created said folklore. You want them magical (I guess?), while I'd rather they only trick their enemies into thinking they are (thus instilling fear and uncertainty and throwing them off balance). C'est la vie.

This! It's a tactic that Batman uses as well.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Silly? Uh, no.

I believe it is more of a matter that we prefer different angles on it... indulging in folklore vs exploring the use of trickery that created said folklore. You want them magical (I guess?), while I'd rather they only trick their enemies into thinking they are (thus instilling fear and uncertainty and throwing them off balance). C'est la vie.

Okay, as a matter of taste, I agree, you are correct. What I was saying is, that saying the turtles CAN'T use ninja magic is silly. Not WANTING them to is perfectly fine. And I agree, it is a matter of taste.

Also, you are correct that I want them to use magical martial arts abilities. I'm a big fan of the shaw brothers mystical kung-fu films from hong kong, as well as movies like big trouble in little china, and other wuxia films involving magic. I'm also a fan of anime and video games with ninja that have mystical abilities, like Goemon the mystical ninja, as well as ninja in toku shows with mystical abilities.; like sentai hurricanger (power rangers ninja storm) and ninninger (power rangers Ninja Steel) non-magical martial arts shows/movies are entertaining, but less interesting to me.

[Dejablue]

Hahaha. Cancellation? You must live in a parallel universe where TTG didn't survive past its first season. If that show lasted as long as it did, then surely a show that looks at least 8% better if you squint at it will do just as well if not better. Now something like Thundercats Roar I can see bombing quiet easily. If only because Thundercats isn't a long lived adaptable franchise like the turtles. And it doesn't have an entire king's library of content to explore and make fun of like TTG.

Turtles is a flexible concept. This could actually be an okay show.

[Dragnskull]

I just love a lot of the reasons some people give for hating this;

"Where are Krang and Shredder? It's not TMNT without the Krang and shredder! I don't' care about other villains, I want my krang and shredder!"

Batman has the joker. Superman has Lex Luther. Optimus has Megatron. There are characters within a universe that are staples and expected, this isn't unique to tmnt or an odd trait for the fanbase by any means.


"Why do they have magic powers? I don't care if ninjas in Japanese folklore have magic powers, turtles must have no powers!"


2k3 gave them magic powers, heck movie1 has splinter appear via meditative fire magic, I've never seen anyone make any real complaints about either. I think the complaints aren't because they have magic powers, but because it was shoehorned in immediately with no real care to give it any type of lore, they just wanted to do fancy neon colors in the animation and let them do really Ca-Razy! things. Not to mention it's been used as an excuse to change the weapons (more on that to come)


"Why are they all different species of turtles? How dare they not all be red ears sliders EVERY TIME! I don't care how interesting they look!"

I don't mind them having different looks but personally I'm also not a fan of each being a different species, because you get into unrealistic (yes, i said unrealistic while talking about mutant turtles.) scenarios such as a snapping turtle being kept with literally any other turtle without it murdering them etc. Granted they could pick species that coexist with others fine and I wouldn't bat an eye at it.


"Different weapons? No! the turtles must always have their signature weapons! How dare Splinter start them off with different weapons for their ninja training!"

I don't mind weapon change ups but I would have preferred them doing a swap out to their magic weapons when needed akin to power rangers calling on their megazords. I'm not a fan of taking their weapons away so suddenly and permanently. Also I didn't like tonfas in TNM, I don't like them now.


"Leo must be leader! How dare you have leader grow into that role, instead of just naturally starting out a good leader! Raph would never declare himself leader, and use his strength and anger to try and enforce his will! He never was mad about not being leader, and never argued with Leo over it! Leo must be leader!"

I've not seen anyone make this complaint, if they have I've missed it. The complaints I see is "the personality shifts are a trainwreck" which I agree with. Everyones comedic relief, the only one retaining any strong individual personality is don

"It's not the 2012 series! The 2012 series was done story-wise, but I want it back, waaaaaaah!"

You're really attacking people that would like to see a return of a series they like? really? I don't even know how to address this one.

UGH! I hate being a turtle fan sometimes[/QUOTE]

[Vegita-San]

parents are saying their kids hate this series and want to watch reruns of 2K12.

meanwhile, I , a former dedicated turtle fan, have no desire to re watch 2k12 and will skip this one out entirely.


i'd say either way, nick has a problem.

especially if they are deleting 'negative' comments on their social media and leaving only the glowing endorsements up.

I can't see this show lasting past two seasons hopefully.

[Candy Kappa]

parents are saying their kids hate this series and want to watch reruns of 2K12.

Regular parents or disgruntled fans using their kids as a excuse to voice their own opinions?

[Vegita-San]

always with you, it can not be done...

I guess we can't take 'negative' comments at face value anymore?
even kids can recognize stuff that isn't well done.

[newfan]

I imagine it would be a mixture, I can see people doing that but also it is believable that some of the children who loved 2012 aren't suddenly going to prefer this new version at first sight, doesn't mean they will all feel that way as time goes on and they watch it more.

[Vegita-San]

while I agree it probably happens, wouldn't the 'fake' reviews just focus on saying 'this series sucks' rather than 'we want to go back to watching the last series?' lends me to think it's genuine.

the last series to me just felt kind of pointless. this new series feels un necessary.

[newfan]

Depends if they liked the last series and wanted another season before Nick moved on. Otherwise yes I'd like to think people would only say that in a way of giving feedback and am sure its the case for most, but this is people on the net so there may be a few. As I said above though, Rise hasn't had a chance to take off with the kids yet.

My child prefers 2012, been his fav show for the past couple of years and he's loved his fav turtle, he didn't like the Rise designs when he first saw them but still likes the look of the show and wants to watch it, more interested in seeing more of 2k3 but still, this too.

[Coola Yagami]

I have to say, 2012 opened the door for dramatic changes. If all we had was the 80s and Rise, pretending 2003 and 2012 never existed.... this show would have been too much of a leap.

Honestly though 2012 was almost OT overload. The only thing missing was the more obscure mutants like Scratch, Walkabout, Scaletail and whoever else.

It was just time for something new. I'm sure the kids like it, the only complaints are coming from the adults.

[ZariusTwo]

It was just time for something new. I'm sure the kids like it, the only complaints are coming from the adults.

I showed this to a kid and they hated it.

[Vegita-San]

I have to say, 2012 opened the door for dramatic changes. If all we had was the 80s and Rise, pretending 2003 and 2012 never existed.... this show would have been too much of a leap.

Honestly though 2012 was almost OT overload. The only thing missing was the more obscure mutants like Scratch, Walkabout, Scaletail and whoever else.

It was just time for something new. I'm sure the kids like it, the only complaints are coming from the adults.

2012 just didn't know what it wanted to be. All Fred Wolf? All Mirage? All Horror?

and none of it really worked all mixed together. to me, it really didn't feel like tmnt 80% of the time.

I have a feeling this new series isn't going to feel like it at all.

[Coola Yagami]

I showed this to a kid and they hated it.

Musta been a boring kid, or one that hates action shows snd only likes nonsense like TTG.

[plastroncafe]

I don't know what you're talking about man, that hypothetical sample size of one child clearly speaks for all children. That's just how statistics works.

[Coola Yagami]

I don't know what you're talking about man, that hypothetical sample size of one child clearly speaks for all children. That's just how statistics works.

I did say that one kid, right? I didn't mean all.

In fact it raises the question if kids even like action cartoons anymore and just want to laugh. IDk why but I have a feeling shows like justice league and batman TAS that took things more seriously would have bonbed nowadays cause they weren't zany enough. Or they would have gone to Netflix.

[CyberCubed]

Rise has the same kind of frantic humor and good animation most current cartoons has, it's probably going to last as long as the 2012 show did. I'd be surprised if it doesn't because I don't see Nick trying a third TMNT reboot cartoon anytime soon.

[TurtleWA]

Nickelodeon seems to average about four years on shows whether the show is popular or not so much of a hit.

It has to be a mega success like Sponge to go a decade. So I think it will go at least four years. To cancel after only one or two seasons sends a bad message.

We will get a new TMNT ever four/five years unless a mega hit happens like Sponge. Just my opinion though.

[shredder orokusaki]

5 episodes so far and not me or my henchem Hun Tiger Claw Xever Rocksteady Bebop e.t.c It is not surprise why my fans and their kids hate it. It is just turtle fans that like it but all of my and Foot fans hate it because all it is happening so far is turtles fighting some mutants that has nothing to do with me or Utroms like in the 2012 2003 and 1987 series. Do you see now why they hate it?

[Jester]

Of the three of us who can voice opinions on it, Trey seems to like it, I don't hate it (it's fun enough, I like the dialogue, still not sold on April or Splinter), Angela doesn't like it at all...but then again she isn't a fan of the 4Kids series as she really liked FW and I think it's kinda a loyalty to the 2012 Nick show keeping her from enjoying it.

[Vegita-San]

the odd thing about this series is it feels like I SHOULD like it.

but everything about it feels so sub par.

from the voice acting.....to the intro theme song, to the intro animation, to the series designs...to basically everything.

Like Nick doesn't expect this to last more than 2 years while they develop something better...and they expect it to get canned as they try to see how far they can push the envelope.

[CyberCubed]

but everything about it feels so sub par.

from the voice acting.....to the intro theme song, to the intro animation, to the series designs...to basically everything.

People like most of the voice acting, and the intro theme song/animation especially is just fine. I don't get why you're saying things are subpar that most don't have a problem with.

[IndigoErth]

Because we're not all hive mind sheep and opinions vary?

[neatoman]

Aside from personal expectation and want, there isn't much I can say is genuinely bad about this show. The pacing could be slightly slower and it gives too little context, that's really about it. I could nitpick or tear it apart for what it isn't, but I don't want to because I don't really dislike it.

I would have wanted a proper storyline, more drama and stronger connections to previous versions (that I like). The show just isn't aiming to do that, what it does aim for hasn't been done badly, so there just isn't much for me to actively hate.

Compared to the three cartoons before it, what's there to really say? The Fred Wolf cartoon didn't bother paying respect to the source material, it didn't even bother with quality control. The 4Kids cartoon is the closest to what I want but there were plenty of generic episodes that haven't aged well. The last Nick show tried to do what I wanted, but most of it was about as goofy as this show, while it's attempt at being dramatic and having a story wasn't well done (I'm sorry but the storyline of that show just sucked).

Disliking Rise because you liked one of the previous better seems odd to me, because they weren't that much better in all honesty.

[drag0nfeathers]

I've finally watched all 5 episodes (partial episodes? whatever) That I can find. I did not care at all for the season opener, Mutant Mayhem. Out of all the others Origami Tsunami was by far the best of them all. War and Pizza was okay, and the other two with Don and Mikey trying to get the space cruiser from the repo Mantis guy and the one with the Worm reporter who hates the turtles were just awful. They all had a few moments, but I still wasn't impressed.

Much like the 2012 episodes they will probably be hit or miss with me, but overall I still insist that Donnie is totally carrying this show for me so far. Leo has had a few moments, but that's really about it. Splinter is still a heaping bowl of crap I'm going to obviously deal with (hopefully as little as possible)

As the show goes on I hope the writing will get better and they will land a few more decent jokes. It's obvious by now they're isn't going to be any major plot developments and if there are, they won't carry very far, much like Teen Titans Go. They'll introduce new characters that will be completely unnecessary and soon forgotten and if that's the direction they wont to go with this than fine. I know it's directed for kids so the story isn't going to be all that though provoking beyond a 12 minute comedic short it seems... BUT... at least it's not TMNT Team Up... so I'm thankful for that.

Speaking of the shorts though I can't help but wonder if they made a series like either the Vasquez Short Don VS Raph, or the Turtles in Time one that had a more "anime-ish" feel, or even the Strike Hard short, that while oddly animated was way more captivating to me then Rise has been, how successful would they have been in comparison?

I see a lot of people wondering why folks are comparing this to the 2012 show. Mostly for me it's the Turtles, April, and Splinter (not so much Casey cause he hasn't been introduced yet, and also same goes for the villains) But in the 2012 series, I loved all the turtles for different reasons. It was honestly hard to pick a favorite. They all had distinct personalities and other traits that made them all very unique... so far it seems these turtles are just all the same. They LOOK very different being different species, but that's not what I mean. They seem unique, but they just aren't. Again, as the show progresses and the voice actors come into their roles easier I hope that will change a little, but Don is the only one in Rise that has any real context to him and I think that's why a lot of us are making that comparison so often as to how we went from 2012 to THIS.

Also... how the hell can you compare the 2012 Splinter to this one? There's no effing contest...

[CyberCubed]

There's no reason to compare the shows besides the fact that Nick made both of them, they're completely different. It makes sense that Rise would go in another direction, since 2012 was still a pretty traditional TMNT cartoon that followed all the same beats the franchise was known for.

[IndigoErth]

I've had a hard time putting my finger on it, but the kind of show this is looking to turn out to be is more the kind of thing I'd want to see in a well done fan made (or by sites/channels such as College Humor, etc) web series on YouTube. As just some crazy nonsense to kill time watching on there now and then, in contrast to an existing much more serious show, would make this into something I'd enjoy a lot more for what it is. Rather than it itself being the new canon show with nothing else in contrast to it. I love the video skits that do exist for TMNT online, there aren't enough of them... and this series kind of feels like it would be at home among them, but it's not what I want a show to be.

[TurtleWA]

Yes no reason to compare shows.

Not so much compare shows as keep in mind the list of ingredients that make up TMNT.

Lots of different cookie recipes exist but you can only change so much before it’s cake and not cookies.

However, I enjoy both cake and cookies so I’m good. But I don’t call a cake a cookie when eating it. :trazz:

[CyberCubed]

Well people can compare the Turtles/Splinter/April, etc, of course, but the rest of the show is so fundamentally different there's not much to compare. Or all the new mutants we're getting.

[drag0nfeathers]

I wasn't necessarily saying is SHOULD be compared, just making a rationalization on WHY it's probably been being compared by a lot of fans.

[Dragnskull]

Three seasons. But after that? Will it even be remembered? Even in a negative light?

We remember the coming out of their shells tour, we'll remember this.

[Aaronardo]

the intro animation

I'm sorry? Opinions are opinions and all that but fast, great animation is fast, great animation. That entire intro is just one continuous shot. That's REALLY hard to do, especially with the level of energy it has. To say that's sub-par is a tough pill to swallow.

I can certainly understand not enjoying it; all that energy might not be your thing, but something like that invokes a more extreme reaction simply because of the amount of stuff on screen in such a short amount of time, whether positive or negative.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Batman has the joker. Superman has Lex Luther. Optimus has Megatron. There are characters within a universe that are staples and expected, this isn't unique to tmnt or an odd trait for the fanbase by any means.



2k3 gave them magic powers, heck movie1 has splinter appear via meditative fire magic, I've never seen anyone make any real complaints about either. I think the complaints aren't because they have magic powers, but because it was shoehorned in immediately with no real care to give it any type of lore, they just wanted to do fancy neon colors in the animation and let them do really Ca-Razy! things. Not to mention it's been used as an excuse to change the weapons (more on that to come)



I don't mind them having different looks but personally I'm also not a fan of each being a different species, because you get into unrealistic (yes, i said unrealistic while talking about mutant turtles.) scenarios such as a snapping turtle being kept with literally any other turtle without it murdering them etc. Granted they could pick species that coexist with others fine and I wouldn't bat an eye at it.



I don't mind weapon change ups but I would have preferred them doing a swap out to their magic weapons when needed akin to power rangers calling on their megazords. I'm not a fan of taking their weapons away so suddenly and permanently. Also I didn't like tonfas in TNM, I don't like them now.



I've not seen anyone make this complaint, if they have I've missed it. The complaints I see is "the personality shifts are a trainwreck" which I agree with. Everyones comedic relief, the only one retaining any strong individual personality is don



You're really attacking people that would like to see a return of a series they like? really? I don't even know how to address this one.

UGH! I hate being a turtle fan sometimes[/QUOTE]

My 'annoyed' responses come from the complaints I've heard about the show, before the show even aired. And I wasn't attacking the people who miss the 2012 show, I'm mocking the people who attack the new show, because it's not the old one. Also, the people working on the 2012 show finished exactly where the creators wanted it to, the way they wanted it to. As to the weapons; if you've seen the premiere, you know that issue was addressed, and the foot origami ninja is already setting up things like Leo's leadership traits. As to shredder/villain point, the foot is there, we just have a slow build to shredder, and a focus on other villains for the time being.

[TurtleWA]

From TMNT Instagram

https://s33.postimg.cc/gta4pz0n3/F35522_CA-2_E3_F-491_F-982_B-1_BD902_CB90_FD.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/gta4pz0mz/)

[Vegita-San]

really?
the ratings didn't look all that great posted earlier.

[Vicky82]

really?
the ratings didn't look all that great posted earlier.

Don't forget Nickelodeon has online views too, as some episodes already up online.

[oldmanwinters]

lolz, this thread looks desperate now.

[CyberCubed]

really?
the ratings didn't look all that great posted earlier.

We're in 2018, not 1992. TV ratings don't mean much anymore, shows are streamed online now.

How many times do we have to say the same thing? Kids today are watching cartoons on their ipads and phones or computers, not so much the TV anymore.

[Powder]

lolz, this thread looks desperate now.

Like most of the hate it's gotten from day one.

[neatoman]

This thread started before the show debuted and I'm not sure it's justified now either. Why wish cancellation upon a show that just started? Maybe if it's been on for years and you don't think it has improved, then I might understand it. Right now though, we only have 6 of 104 confirmed episode segments, I think you can still give it time to grow on you.

[CyberCubed]

This thread started before the show debuted and I'm not sure it's justified now either. Why wish cancellation upon a show that just started? Maybe if it's been on for years and you don't think it has improved, then I might understand it. Right now though, we only have 6 of 104 confirmed episode segments, I think you can still give it time to grow on you.

It's mostly from the kneejerk reaction of the designs when they were first shown, or people like Vegita-san who assume everyone hates something when he does and goes around trolling threads about ratings when we're in the year 2018 and not 1995.

[neatoman]

It's mostly from the kneejerk reaction of the designs when they were first shown, or people like Vegita-san who assume everyone hates something when he does and goes around trolling threads about ratings when we're in the year 2018 and not 1995.

Yeah about that... I can't help but notice the ratings for this show dips slighty below Nickelodeon's current average.

I'm not saying this because I hate the show or anything, because I actually kind of like it, but it's probably not going to last beyond season 2 if it continues on this track. At least TNM will rightfully remain the shortest TMNT show?

[TheBlueTurtle1]

The more I see of this show, the more and more I dislike it.

[Longview01]

2 seasons hopefully then they realise their mistake

[Sabacooza]

I've only seen the first episode when they released all five on the Nick site and I can't help but think of this as some big colossal joke at the TMNT's expense.

Hopefully they'll blow through this series quickly and move onto something more appealing and respectful.

[IndigoErth]

Since they already green lit a second season, as if it has anything to do with ratings prior to premiering, I'll be generous and say I could see them trying to go as far as three seasons if what we've seen so far is a clear picture of what this series wants to be. But it would not surprise me and would be weird and kind of backwards if a third was their 'jump the shark' season, yet ended up improving it.

[Vegita-San]

I think the days of respectful are LONG gone.

We've got Bay Turtles, Rise, and a more miss than hit 2012 series...i have a feeling 2012 and idw might be as good as it gets under nick.

[Autbot_Benz]

What do Rise Next Mutation and Bayturtles have in common they are a shitstain on the TMNT legacy :lol:

[miru]

What do Rise Next Mutation and Bayturtles have in common they are a shitstain on the TMNT legacy :lol:

And Image. That makes four. But PD is the worst of them all. (Other than stuff like Dreamwave)

[LeotheLateBloomer]

And Image. That makes four. But PD is the worst of them all. (Other than stuff like Dreamwave)

I doubt Imagi is considered bad. I still would like to pick up those comics as they seem like they appeal to me more than the other versions mentioned.

[CyberCubed]

IDW is currently colorizing the Image series and it's pretty good if you never read it before.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

TMNT Urban Legends - I did read about that. If I don't see them in my local comic shop, I'm definitely buying them online.

[Powder]

And Image. That makes four. But PD is the worst of them all. (Other than stuff like Dreamwave)

How DARE you compare vol. 3 to the PD films.

[neatoman]

How DARE you compare vol. 3 to the PD films.

Yeah! At least Image never... Had a panel of Bebop and Rocksteady comparing dicks?

[80gmrp]

Yeah, I have mixed feelings about Rise, personally. I like some of the character designs, but that’s pretty much it. The plot/humor seems like an attempt to compete with Teen Titans Go, which is a pretty low bar imo. I’d give a more in-depth opinion, but I have every right to be nervous about getting hate just for saying what I did, no thanks to Tumblr...

[Vegeta]

Image TMNT is a literary masterpiece if we're going to compare it to the dunes films or the new cartoon.

I kinda love image tmnt though.

[MikeandRaph87]

And Image. That makes four. But PD is the worst of them all. (Other than stuff like Dreamwave)

True.

I agree with BlueTurtle1. The more I see the more I dkslike it, but I gave it a try.

In IDW we trust.

[miru]

True.

I agree with BlueTurtle1. The more I see the more I dkslike it, but I gave it a try.

In IDW we trust.


In IDW EVERY FAN OF THIS FRANCHISE should trust. It’s the definitive version.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I would love a series based on the Urban legends, done in the 2003 style. Made for the older TMNT fans who actually care and respect the franchise. Why do they have to aim sub par, disrespectful crap like this at the fans.

[IndigoErth]

I would love a series based on the Urban legends, done in the 2003 style. Made for the older TMNT fans who actually care and respect the franchise. Why do they have to aim sub par, disrespectful crap like this at the fans.
Yes please.

[miru]

Yeah about that... I can't help but notice the ratings for this show dips slighty below Nickelodeon's current average.

I'm not saying this because I hate the show or anything, because I actually kind of like it, but it's probably not going to last beyond season 2 if it continues on this track. At least TNM will rightfully remain the shortest TMNT show?

And season 2 will probably get shunted to Nicktoons if they don’t improve.

[Poweranimals]

and a more miss than hit 2012 series...

Really? I thought the 2012 series was mostly great. It did have a few missed but even the 87 and 03 series had their misses. I'm not really sure what to make of the rise series yet. It's definitely my least animated series so far but it is still a little bit fun.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

In IDW EVERY FAN OF THIS FRANCHISE should trust. It’s the definitive version.

Is it really? I mean from the little I've read of IDW, it's well done in some areas but I personally feel it has it's own problems. I respect it for what it is so far, though.

[CyberCubed]

IDW's only real problems are the pacing issues, as it can take months and even YEARS for plotlines to be touched upon. However if you're marathoning the book and reading the collections, obviously that's not a problem. It just takes a long time for stuff to happen, especially since they always introduce characters or plotlines early and don't get back to them for months or even years later.

Besides that some of the artists take on the Turtles could be hit or miss, but I like at least 80% of the art in the IDW books.

[Klunk1234]

I don't think I will watch this. Poor Leo was demoted to be the cool brother. That should be appointed to Mikey or Mikey will be the silly one again?. At least, the drawings seems better than the infamous Thundercats Roar's ones. A ridiculous pantomime of the beloved 1985 original series.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I don't think I will watch this. Poor Leo was demoted to be the cool brother. That should be appointed to Mikey or Mikey will be the silly one again?. At least, the drawings seems better than the infamous Thundercats Roar's ones. A ridiculous pantomime of the beloved 1985 original series.

Yeah, it just stinks because I don't find this version of Leo funny. I feel that he's too try-hard and his brothers (even Mikey) never get a good laugh from him. The guy even dabs, for God's sake! If he can let falling on Raph's champion count as becoming the new champion go to his head, imagine how he'd act like if he were to win the Battle Nexus.:trolleye:

[IndigoErth]

The guy even dabs, for God's sake!
Oh god, is that what that was? I saw that move, thought Oh please no, just stop, but never connected that "dabs" word to it. :tconfuse:

This show is going to age so badly.

[Papenbrook]

Yeah, it just stinks because I don't find this version of Leo funny. I feel that he's too try-hard and his brothers (even Mikey) never get a good laugh from him. The guy even dabs, for God's sake! If he can let falling on Raph's champion count as becoming the new champion go to his head, imagine how he'd act like if he were to win the Battle Nexus.:trolleye:


That reminds me .....

Has Leo gotten punched yet?

[IndigoErth]

Well, Meat Sweats slugged him in the head in "Donnie's Gifts," and stopped him mid "one liner," so yes.

I assume he may have gotten it in the wrestling one as well? Don't recall but would be surprised if not. (Did get a wedgie though. My poor boy, what have they done to you.)

[Papenbrook]

It gets worse ...

https://66.media.tumblr.com/b1d2fff07e71f68ff2f0a08215ddb52d/tumblr_inline_pghm4hunWT1ryaut3_1280.jpg (zimmertw.tumblr.com)

[Vicky82]

It gets worse ...

https://66.media.tumblr.com/b1d2fff07e71f68ff2f0a08215ddb52d/tumblr_inline_pghm4hunWT1ryaut3_1280.jpg (zimmertw.tumblr.com)


Whats's wrong with it, it's a possessed turkey in a haunted supermarket. Did you watch the promo.

You do know that's from tomorrow's episode right called The Gumbus, April, Mikey and Leo investigate a haunted supermarket.

[shredder orokusaki]

Cancelation can happen after the end of season 2 if it is still only mutants and not me , my henchmen, utroms , triceratons, stockman e.t.c like it was most episodes of 3 previous series.

[saber16]

If Teen Titans Go has made it past 5 seasons, then I can see this easily making it that far.

[miru]

Rise’s tie in comic is selling very poorly.

[neatoman]

Rise’s tie in comic is selling very poorly.

Yeah but so did the last cartoon tie-in book. And it doesn't really have much impact on the show itself. As I understand it, comics don't count as merch the same way toys or video games do, more like promotion.

[IMJ]

Yeah but so did the last cartoon tie-in book. And it doesn't really have much impact on the show itself. As I understand it, comics don't count as merch the same way toys or video games do, more like promotion.

True, but the comics are a great gauge of whether or not a hardcore fanbase is latching on. Something like TMNT has a very dedicated fandom and so when a comic property for it doesn't sell well, then that's a pretty good indicator that even the fans who have to "have everything" don't even care....

The new show and, as someone said here earlier, the new Thundercats are absolute travesties for the properties. Hopefully when the don't do so hot, the producers won't follow in Marvel's footsteps by blaming the fans for "trying something new", which in fact is a cliche.

And aside from the poor character beats, modern flash-style animation is absolutely an awful trend. I say "flash-style" animation because I don't know what else to call it - that animation style we see on the new show, on Teen Titans, and other cartoon that as a kid I would'v thought was meant for4 year olds only.

[CyberCubed]

Rise of the TMNT definitely has better animation than "flash animation" the show actually looks very good in motion and the action scenes.

[Kenwatanabesclone]

Yeah, even though it’s animated digitally, it’s still hand drawn which is better than most shows nowadays.

[miru]

True, but the comics are a great gauge of whether or not a hardcore fanbase is latching on. Something like TMNT has a very dedicated fandom and so when a comic property for it doesn't sell well, then that's a pretty good indicator that even the fans who have to "have everything" don't even care....

The new show and, as someone said here earlier, the new Thundercats are absolute travesties for the properties. Hopefully when the don't do so hot, the producers won't follow in Marvel's footsteps by blaming the fans for "trying something new", which in fact is a cliche.

And aside from the poor character beats, modern flash-style animation is absolutely an awful trend. I say "flash-style" animation because I don't know what else to call it - that animation style we see on the new show, on Teen Titans, and other cartoon that as a kid I would'v thought was meant for4 year olds only.

This is also inexcusable because it has been a few years since PPG 2016, Ben 10 2016, and Sonic Boom all flopped. I know they're desperately trying to do it right with this show, but they scared the audience away already with their artwork and the fact it was lighter (and hence followed a trend). Overall this show is advertised as closer to Ultimate Spider-Man (which was still an unpopular show) than TTG and its clones, but Ultimate Spider-Man died off a few years back and the immediately subsequent show isn't any better. This is a tainted concept. Come back in about 5 years on MTV with a direct IDW adaptation and then we'll talk.