It: Chapter Two

[Andrew NDB]

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/james-mcavoy-and-bill-hader-it-sequel-1202749616/

So far McAvoy (for Bill), Hader (Richie), and Chastain (Beverly) are in talks to play the grown up kids. I'm still betting the farm they go with Chris Pratt or Channing Tatum for Ben.

I also think it's a mistake to not go with Amy Adams for Beverly. She is the splitting image of an older version of that kid in the first.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/james-mcavoy-and-bill-hader-it-sequel-1202749616/

So far McAvoy (for Bill), Hader (Richie), and Chastain (Beverly) are in talks to play the grown up kids. I'm still betting the farm they go with Chris Pratt or Channing Tatum for Ben.

I also think it's a mistake to not go with Amy Adams for Beverly. She is the splitting image of an older version of that kid in the first.

I would not have thought of McAvoy for Bill, but since I read the article, I'm quite intrigued. I think he could do well for that... relatable, a kind leader, but with a core of steel.

Can't say I'm thrilled with Bill Hader for Richie, though. I guess Hader's got comedy cred, but... I don't see him for the role. Not at all.

[MikeandRaph87]

I would not have thought of McAvoy for Bill, but since I read the article, I'm quite intrigued. I think he could do well for that... relatable, a kind leader, but with a core of steel.

Can't say I'm thrilled with Bill Hader for Richie, though. I guess Hader's got comedy cred, but... I don't see him for the role. Not at all.

I don't know anything about James McAvoy so I am open to what he would do in the role.

Bill Hader I am on board with. The only better choice would have been putting Seth Green in the role that he played the 11 year old version of in the previous version. That fun connection bit and the fact i think Green could nail it.


Not keen on Chastain. Never been wowed by her in Zero Dark Thirty or Interstellar. I have to agree about Amy Adams.

What about Ben? I am curious who would take the role previously portrayed by the late John Ritter. I always liked Ben the best of the group,but felt there was a playboy aspect to Ben that did not make sense in John Ritter's version's background.

[PApagreg]

I was really hoping they picked Seth Green for Richie

[Andrew NDB]

I was really hoping they picked Seth Green for Richie

Wouldn't that have been great?

Can't say I'm thrilled with Bill Hader for Richie, though. I guess Hader's got comedy cred, but... I don't see him for the role. Not at all.

Yeah. They need someone far mousier in the role. I don't know who, though. Like... Skinny Jonah Hill or something.

Maybe the Hader thing falls through.

What about Ben? I am curious who would take the role previously portrayed by the late John Ritter. I always liked Ben the best of the group,but felt there was a playboy aspect to Ben that did not make sense in John Ritter's version's background.

I'm telling you. Tatum or Pratt. I'd bet money. And they probably approach them in that order.

[Andrew NDB]

James Ransone is Eddie in "It: Chapter Two."

http://www.darkhorizons.com/james-ransone-is-eddie-in-it-chapter-two/

On that note, I have no idea who James Ransone is.

[newfan]

James Ransone is Eddie in "It: Chapter Two."

http://www.darkhorizons.com/james-ransone-is-eddie-in-it-chapter-two/

On that note, I have no idea who James Ransone is.

LOL, Andrew I was thinking the same thing.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

James Ransone is Eddie in "It: Chapter Two."

http://www.darkhorizons.com/james-ransone-is-eddie-in-it-chapter-two/

On that note, I have no idea who James Ransone is.

Damn, me neither! Does anyone? :tlol:

[MikeandRaph87]

Damn, me neither! Does anyone? :tlol:

Not everyone is known in film roles. Breakout role for him. Eddie is also the least memorable of the six adults.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Not everyone is known in film roles. Breakout role for him. Eddie is also the least memorable of the six adults.

You're wrong. That'd be Stan. :trazz:

[MikeandRaph87]

You're wrong. That'd be Stan. :trazz:

Stan is dead so I said six. Of the six that count Eddie was the least interesting.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Stan is dead so I said six. Of the six that count Eddie was the least interesting.

Oh, my bad. :tlol:

[Cure]

Watch The Wire, people, damn.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Watch The Wire, people, damn.

Have they cast Idris Elba as Mike!? :teek: :trazz:

[Andrew NDB]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/80020

In another round of "Who the hell is that?" Andy Bean has been cast as adult Stanley.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm still betting the farm they go with Chris Pratt or Channing Tatum for Ben.

Damn! I'm wrong. I'm not even close. It's just another unknown for Ben:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/jay-ryan-is-adult-ben-in-it-chapter-two/

Jay Ryan.

Is all their budget going to Jessica "Miscast" Chastain or something?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Damn! I'm wrong. I'm not even close. It's just another unknown for Ben:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/jay-ryan-is-adult-ben-in-it-chapter-two/

Jay Ryan.

Is all their budget going to Jessica "Miscast" Chastain or something?

I know, right? McAvoy and Chastain must've drained the casting budget already. :tlol:

[MikeandRaph87]

I would have tapped Jerry O'Connell, former chunky kid turned fit actor married to a model.Reminds you of Ben in a sense. Ah,well. I will give it a chance. I don't want the one night stand with Beverley and Bill included. It cheapens Ben getting together with Beverley in the end. Not to mention undermines Bill's desperate search and rescue of his catatonic wife. A simple conversation would suffice.

I also wonder how the spider form will be dealt with. Campy? Creepy? Something else other than a mutant spider?

[Andrew NDB]

I know, right? McAvoy and Chastain must've drained the casting budget already. :tlol:

It's unfortunate to me. I was hoping for like... remember when Inglorious Basterds was first announced? And all those rumors were flying around about Arnold and Stallone and Seagal and such? And then it all turned out to be fake, even after years? I was thinking they were going to do something similar here... but with late 30s, 40s guys who are immediately relevant.

Guess not.

[Andrew NDB]

Another unknown for It: Chapter Two, this one for Mike. Isaiah Mustafa, best known as the Old Spice Man.

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/it-chapter-2-mike-hanlon-isaiah-mustafa-1202838872

[MsMarvelDuckie]

You guys DO know that the kids from part 1 had a say in who plays them as adults, right? That's probably a big reason for all the unknowns. They were picking their adult counterparts themselves.

[Andrew NDB]

You guys DO know that the kids from part 1 had a say in who plays them as adults, right?

They did? They should have 0 say. Though the adult actors and the kid actors should be forced to hang out so the adults can "get" the kid actors, and I'm sure they did that.

[MikeandRaph87]

They did? They should have 0 say. Though the adult actors and the kid actors should be forced to hang out so the adults can "get" the kid actors, and I'm sure they did that.

I agree 100%.

Who gave the child actors a voice? I have not heard that one before.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

It was something Mr D read about the movies. Might have been on IMDb, or Entertainment Weekly. But yes, the idea was for the kids to have a hand in choosing their adult counterparts for a better "fit" to who the kids were. I think it's an interesting idea- why spend tons on famous actors, if they don't fit the bill? These aren't just kids, they are playing a role where the two parts HAVE to make sense and fit together. So maybe they SHOULD habe a say.

[Andrew NDB]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/jessica-chastain-wraps-filming-on-it/

So Jessica Chastain has filmed all of her scenes and has gone home, while everyone else is still filming.

Seems like the theory that they blew all their budget on her (and McAvoy) is probably true. You know, schedule all of the scenes involving the most expensive actress into the beginning most days (even if they're out of order) to get them done faster and out the door to reduce their going fee. Seems sound.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/jessica-chastain-wraps-filming-on-it/

So Jessica Chastain has filmed all of her scenes and has gone home, while everyone else is still filming.

Seems like the theory that they blew all their budget on her (and McAvoy) is probably true. You know, schedule all of the scenes involving the most expensive actress into the beginning most days (even if they're out of order) to get them done faster and out the door to reduce their going fee. Seems sound.

Makes sense, but I really don't get why anyone felt a need to cast a couple of big names for this. The kids were all pretty much unknown (except for the kid from Stranger Things)...

[Andrew NDB]

Makes sense, but I really don't get why anyone felt a need to cast a couple of big names for this. The kids were all pretty much unknown (except for the kid from Stranger Things)...

You kind of have to cast unknowns for a group of little kids. You know, you like that little kid from that movie you saw 2, 3 years ago? Well, they're already too old now. The adults, not the same thing. I kind of just wanted to see a fun name for Ben.

Sorta feels like they received their budget for Chapter Two before they even realized the first one was a hit.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

You kind of have to cast unknowns for a group of little kids. You know, you like that little kid from that movie you saw 2, 3 years ago? Well, they're already too old now. The adults, not the same thing. I kind of just wanted to see a fun name for Ben.

Sorta feels like they received their budget for Chapter Two before they even realized the first one was a hit.

But will we be able to see Bill as Bill, or will we just see McAvoy? Because it took me most to the end of the movie before I could see Trashmouth as Trashmouth instead of Mike from Stranger Things.

[Andrew NDB]

Saw it. It was OK. It kind of goes through and checks the minimum number of boxes of everything you would expect to see in it and that's about it.

Not as funny as the first one. We see bits with the kids (creepily de-aged with CGI, as they've admitted, voices too which are just a little bit "off"... and I'm pretty sure they even gave Young Ben some prosthetic cheeks) but I didn't laugh one time this time. Couple of scary moments gave me the chills, but just briefly.

I expected more from It's final form. Too tame. The It final form in the mini-series was creepier than what we get here, though that hasn't aged well in motion.

[MikeandRaph87]

What was the point of making Richie gay for Eddie? Eddie is the one that may or maybe not. Was it to cater to modern audiences and make bi-sexuality clear and tag it on to one that survives instead of the one that may be is dead? It just takes away from what Bill Hader was doing and adds nothing to it. I felt like it was political and "modernizing" and was unresolved.

Overall some of IT was better while some was worse like being in there for the sake of it like Bowsers presence or adding something like Bev killing her father in self-defense. I do like the 1990 mini-series better. Yes, its chessy,but I like one-liners that this adaptation lacks.

[Coola Yagami]

What was the point of making Richie gay for Eddie? Eddie is the one that may or maybe not. Was it to cater to modern audiences and make bi-sexuality clear and tag it on to one that survives instead of the one that may be is dead? It just takes away from what Bill Hader was doing and adds nothing to it. I felt like it was political and "modernizing" and was unresolved.

Overall some of IT was better while some was worse like being in there for the sake of it like Bowsers presence or adding something like Bev killing her father in self-defense. I do like the 1990 mini-series better. Yes, its chessy,but I like one-liners that this adaptation lacks.

I mean, Bowers did come back in the original and his return was similarly less screen time than when he was a kid.

[Egon1982]

Saw it. It was OK. It kind of goes through and checks the minimum number of boxes of everything you would expect to see in it and that's about it.

Not as funny as the first one. We see bits with the kids (creepily de-aged with CGI, as they've admitted, voices too which are just a little bit "off"... and I'm pretty sure they even gave Young Ben some prosthetic cheeks) but I didn't laugh one time this time. Couple of scary moments gave me the chills, but just briefly.

I expected more from It's final form. Too tame. The It final form in the mini-series was creepier than what we get here, though that hasn't aged well in motion.

I thought the miniseries final form was quite pathetic looking and they could had hired better effects artists and it's what hurt the miniseries.

The miniseries has not aged well, i'll take the new movies over the cheesy miniseries which felt cheap

[AquaParade]

I look forward to renting this when it comes out digitally. May even cave and buy it if my patience is low. I would have seen it in theaters if the word was that it’s creepier than the first, but it sounds like the opposite. As it is, I’m still looking forward to it based on other aspects.

[Andrew NDB]

What was the point of making Richie gay for Eddie? Eddie is the one that may or maybe not. Was it to cater to modern audiences and make bi-sexuality clear and tag it on to one that survives instead of the one that may be is dead? It just takes away from what Bill Hader was doing and adds nothing to it. I felt like it was political and "modernizing" and was unresolved.

It does seem like they were going for "important" points vs. just giving him/them a good character arc in that. A lot of the critics leading up to the release were praising Hader's performance as even "stealing the show" and now I see what they were talking about -- it aligns with their agenda.

I thought the miniseries final form was quite pathetic looking and they could had hired better effects artists and it's what hurt the miniseries.

The miniseries has not aged well, i'll take the new movies over the cheesy miniseries which felt cheap

I just mean the design of the creature's final form in the mini. Say what you will about the effects used to bring it to life then... but that thing looked freaking scary, and alien-like. Not just Pennywise's torso with crabby legs.

[MikeandRaph87]

I went in thinking instead of drifting towards Ben and a little Mike I might pick Richie out as the one I could relate to or thought was hilarious based on the non-spoiler feedback. Nope. Just an agenda that set me up. Too bad Stephon could not give us the top scary places to go in Derry.:lol: Come on, SNL do it!

The mini-series budget was limited which is why the special effects were not to mention the special effects at that point were more mechanical than CGI. I was glad to see the ritual part in the 2017/2019 adapation since it was a part of the book and not just thrown in for the sake of it being in the book so it had to be there. Its hard to interpret.

Aside from the whole made for movie Richie is closet gay for his friend bit the ending is the same as the T.V. two parter though Stan narrates. Was it just me or was it stating his choice or chickening out by suicide was heroic? That was the other thing that did not sit well with me.:ohwell: Trying to make statements, but falling flat.

[Coola Yagami]

I went in thinking instead of drifting towards Ben and a little Mike I might pick Richie out as the one I could relate to or thought was hilarious based on the non-spoiler feedback. Nope. Just an agenda that set me up. Too bad Stephon could not give us the top scary places to go in Derry.:lol: Come on, SNL do it!

The mini-series budget was limited which is why the special effects were not to mention the special effects at that point were more mechanical than CGI. I was glad to see the ritual part in the 2017/2019 adapation since it was a part of the book and not just thrown in for the sake of it being in the book so it had to be there. Its hard to interpret.

Aside from the whole made for movie Richie is closet gay for his friend bit the ending is the same as the T.V. two parter though Stan narrates. Was it just me or was it stating his choice or chickening out by suicide was heroic? That was the other thing that did not sit well with me.:ohwell: Trying to make statements, but falling flat.
Yeah, that felt kinda weird to me.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Saw it over the weekend. I'm of two minds here. I liked some aspects- the Chinese restaraunt scene was well-done, for one- but others.... Was sorely disappointed by the removal/changing of some MAJOR plot piints from the book. Beverly's husband and Bill's wife, for starters. Neither played much part in the story here, unlike in the book, where both were fairly important. Also- the biggest detail of all, namely regarding the monster itself .

IE, the fact that It was actually FEMALE, and had laid eggs!

Such a huge let-down that both this version and the original tv movie left out such a HUGE part of the story!

And the changes to the ending- what was up with that? In the book/tv movie, they ALL forgot again, including Mike, whose journal became the only evidence it ever happened. And a huge chunk of Derry kind of fell into a massive hole when the lair collapsed. Not to mention Mike never left.

[Andrew NDB]

Also- the biggest detail of all, namely regarding the monster itself .

IE, the fact that It was actually FEMALE, and had laid eggs!

Yeah, I was definitely expecting way more weirdness than we got in that final battle. They just kind of show up and win.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm still really interested in seeing it, but cutting two major characters from the story is a bit of a drag for me.

Also, the final twist regarding Pennywise and what happens to Derry... those are pretty key bits, too, that really add a lot to the story.

[MikeandRaph87]

I am glad that Mike was not seriously injured, but it cuts Henry's role pun unintended. What would have worked was if Richie was the one that Henry injured. Richie would not be able to participate in the showdown with the Spider form and make him feel worse than the others about Eddie's sacrifice. No gay for Eddie necessary, Mike plays a role in the final confrontation and Henry's role is not for nothing.

[neatoman]

I noticed that they inserted single player footage of Street Fighter 1 when the characters were clearly intended to play VS mode. Not that Street Fighter 1 is all that familiar to most people but it's really obvious to anyone who has ever played the game.

[Andrew NDB]

I noticed that they inserted single player footage of Street Fighter 1 when the characters were clearly intended to play VS mode. Not that Street Fighter 1 is all that familiar to most people but it's really obvious to anyone who has ever played the game.

As a kid in elementary school I didn't know anyone that had ever played Street Fighter 1. Most kids didn't even think it existed and just thought the series began with 2, and there wasn't an internet yet to find out for sure.

[Coola Yagami]

As a kid in elementary school I didn't know anyone that had ever played Street Fighter 1. Most kids didn't even think it existed and just thought the series began with 2, and there wasn't an internet yet to find out for sure.

Honestly before I saw a game magazine talking about 'Fighting Street's I always thought SF2 was called as such cause it just sounds cool.

I did notice that scene, though it did me a bit of the fuzzies to hear the Street Fighter music play as they started transitioning to a flashback.

I'm just confused, like was he gay in the book?

[MikeandRaph87]

Honestly before I saw a game magazine talking about 'Fighting Street's I always thought SF2 was called as such cause it just sounds cool.

I did notice that scene, though it did me a bit of the fuzzies to hear the Street Fighter music play as they started transitioning to a flashback.

I'm just confused, like was he gay in the book?

No, it was made for this version only. Chapter 1 did not indicate anything either which makes it odd.

[Coola Yagami]

No, it was made for this version only. Chapter 1 did not indicate anything either which makes it odd.

Yeah, wasn't he kinda pervy towards girls or at least making pervy comments in the first one?

Pennywise taunted him about 'knowing his secret' but it never had a pay off.

[MikeandRaph87]

Yeah, wasn't he kinda pervy towards girls or at least making pervy comments in the first one?

Pennywise taunted him about 'knowing his secret' but it never had a pay off.

Exactly. Of the group the pervert was Richie. I suppose the commentary is narratively used as Richie covering himself.

If any of the group was, it was Eddie. Instead he is the object of his friend's feeling. Was Eddie in the novel or the 1990 adaptation? It is never said and is open to personal interpretation. He is just a pathetic mama's boy still at home who never dated anyone.

Like I said above trying to cater to agendas of inclusion of homosexuality and suicide, it fails miserably like it's in your face checking off boxes which misses the point. That in effect makes it a worse product and instead of increasing positive attention it gets negative because of the poor attempt.

[Andrew NDB]

I remember when weird dudes were allowed to just be weird dudes in movies and TV.

[Coola Yagami]

It just doesn't make sense, which is one of the reasons I'm not a big fan of all these extra little scares they added to the kids during flashbacks. All those events took place before their final battle at the end of the first movie, not once did Pennywise decide to threaten Richie with his 'secret' in front of his friends.

[Andrew NDB]

It just doesn't make sense, which is one of the reasons I'm not a big fan of all these extra little scares they added to the kids during flashbacks. All those events took place before their final battle at the end of the first movie, not once did Pennywise decide to threaten Richie with his 'secret' in front of his friends.

I do remember looking at my wife in the first one and saying, "Oh yeah. They're totally making him gay in part 2." Not because of what it looked like they were developing in the first movie, but because of the irresistible opportunity I know it would be to these studios today. She didn't believe me.

[IMJ]

I thought the first one was a terrific movie. Part 2 felt messy and the narrative was a bit distorted - for example, it wasn't immediately clear that the group had forgotten the events of their childhood, until they hit you over the head with explanatory dialog. There were other examples too, but I'm not too sure if those were born of King's original novel or if that was more "Hollywood improvement". I never read this book.

And honestly I thought it dragged on pretty badly in places. I was a little disappointed. But I was also very disinterested very soon into the movie, but I can't place why, exactly.

[Andrew NDB]

I thought the first one was a terrific movie. Part 2 felt messy and the narrative was a bit distorted - for example, it wasn't immediately clear that the group had forgotten the events of their childhood, until they hit you over the head with explanatory dialog. There were other examples too, but I'm not too sure if those were born of King's original novel or if that was more "Hollywood improvement". I never read this book.

And honestly I thought it dragged on pretty badly in places. I was a little disappointed. But I was also very disinterested very soon into the movie, but I can't place why, exactly.

Apparently the "they forgot everything after leaving" was really a book thing.

[neatoman]

As a kid in elementary school I didn't know anyone that had ever played Street Fighter 1. Most kids didn't even think it existed and just thought the series began with 2, and there wasn't an internet yet to find out for sure.

The game is pretty easy to get now, it's in the 30th anniversary collection. It's an OK collection, I just wish they included the PSP version of Alpha 3.

Anyway, speaking of the gay stuff, does anyone remember if Part 1 had any implication that Henry Bowers was gay? He is actually implied to be gay in the book.