Bill and Ted: Face The Music

[Autbot_Benz]

Keanu Reeves & Alex Winter Confirmed For Threequel ‘Bill & Ted Face The Music’

Most Excellent!’ 27 years after we last saw the totally radical pairing of Ted “Theodore” Logan and Bill S. Preston Esq., Keanu Reeves and Alex Winter are now confirmed to reprise their roles in a third Bill & Ted movie, I can reveal. Bloom is launching sales in Cannes on the long-gestating time-travel comedy, which is called Bill & Ted Face The Music. The movie is likely to be one of the hottest properties at the market.

Currently in pre-production, the movie has been written by the franchise’s original creators Chris Matheson (Imagine That) and Ed Solomon (Men in Black) with Dean Parisot (Galaxy Quest) confirmed to direct. Scott Kroopf (Limitless) will produce together with Alex Lebovici and Steve Ponce of Hammerstone Studios, with Steven Soderbergh serving as an executive producer alongside Scott Fischer, John Ryan Jr., and John Santilli.

When we last picked up with the most audacious dudes they were time-traveling teenagers trying to pass history class and win the battle of the bands. Once prophesized to save the universe with their rock and roll, according to the production the new movie will see the two best friends as middle-aged men with family responsibilities who have yet to fulfill their destiny. They’ve written thousands of tunes, but they have yet to write a good one, much less the greatest song ever written. With the fabric of time and space tearing around them, a visitor from the future warns the duo that only their music can save life as we know it. Out of luck and inspiration, Bill and Ted set out on another time travel adventure — with the help of their daughters, a new crop of historical figures, and some sympathetic music legends — to seek the song that will set their world right and bring harmony in the universe as we know it.

MGM owns the rights to the film and will release in the U.S. under their Orion Pictures banner while Bloom is handling international sales. Endeavor Content negotiated the U.S. deal. The project has already piqued the interest of buyers in Cannes, we understand.

Winter and Reeves said today, “We couldn’t be more excited to get the whole band back together again. Chris and Ed wrote an amazing script, and with Dean at the helm we’ve got a dream team!”

Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure and Bill & Ted’s Bogus Journey became cultural landmarks for a certain generation — the nostalgia factor alone could be a big pull for some audiences — as well as lucrative comedies in their own right. The movie also comes at time when promising and scaled comedies are in short supply. Bloom’s Alex Walton said, “Fans of Bill and Ted have been waiting for Reeves and Winter to reunite since their last Bogus Journey in 1991. This is excellent!”

Reeves is currently in production on the third installment of the John Wick franchise. Winter has more recently transitioned to writing and directing with credits including Epix documentary Deep Web and VH1 documentary Downloaded. Next up he has Frank Zappa doc Zappa.

In Cannes, Bloom is also selling Julius Onah’s Luce starring Naomi Watts, Octavia Spencer, Tim Roth and Kelvin Harrison Jr.; Yuval Adler’s The Operative; Josh Trank’s Fonzo starring Tom Hardy; David Sandberg’s Kung Fury starring Michael Fassbender; Sam Levinson’s Assassination Nation, and Matthew Heineman’s A Private War starring Rosamund Pike.

Reeves is represented by WME and Ziffren Brittenham; Winter is represented by CAA, Forward Entertainment, Hollander Entertainment and Sloss Eckhouse LawCo; Parisot is represented by WME; and Hammerstone Studios is represented by Rosen Law Group.

http://collider.com/bill-and-ted-3-keanu-reeves-alex-winter-face-the-music/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social

[Andrew NDB]

So they finally got their money, just like they predicted not too far back. Great! Full steam ahead, then.

[NinjaPug]

Great news. Really happy this worked out and they're finally moving forward.

[Vegita-San]

So they finally got their money, just like they predicted not too far back. Great! Full steam ahead, then.

This will send the author of this article into a teething frenzy....but WTH.

"Along the way, they will be helped by their daughters, a new batch of historical figures, and a few music legends."


I sincerely hope this is a misprint by the EW people. it's pretty clear Bill and Tedd had SONS at the end of part 2. Please do not SJW another movie. especially one that was this heartfelt and fun.

[drgon78]

I can't wait for this one. Wow 27 years and I thought I waited a long time for an Incredibles sequel.

[Andrew NDB]

"Along the way, they will be helped by their daughters,

it's pretty clear Bill and Tedd had SONS at the end of part 2.

Oh wow, you're right. I forgot about that. Yeah, it's literally "Little Bill" and "Little Ted" at the end of Bogus Journey.

Yeah, that's a little concerning.

[Prowler]

...there was a sequel to the first one?! :teek:

[ZariusTwo]

...there was a sequel to the first one?! :teek:

Yeah, and it was much more surreal.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, and it was much more surreal.

I remember not liking it much at all... but then again I haven't seen either film in probably over 20 years.

[Prowler]

I remember not liking it much at all... but then again I haven't seen either film in probably over 20 years.
I've seen the original a few times. Last time probably almost a decade ago or so. Nice weekend movie. My favourite part is when a king tells his udnerlings to "put them in the Iron Maiden" and Bill and Ted excitedly say "IRON MAIDEN! :tgrin:" :lol:

[Autbot_Benz]

...there was a sequel to the first one?! :teek:

ya Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey it adds the best character ever to the Bill and Ted Franchise. Death.

[Andrew NDB]

I wonder if they'll keep the same wives from the first two movies, or if they'll have already left Bill and Ted by this point, never to be seen again.

And there's no reason William Sadler couldn't come back as Death. With no Carlin they have to do something.

[Autbot_Benz]

I wonder if they'll keep the same wives from the first two movies, or if they'll have already left Bill and Ted by this point, never to be seen again.

And there's no reason William Sadler couldn't come back as Death. With no Carlin they have to do something.

Sadler is coming back as Death that was conformed a while back.

[Andrew NDB]

Sadler is coming back as Death that was conformed a while back.

No kidding? That's awesome.

Yeah, you're right:
http://www.slashfilm.com/bill-and-ted-3-script-william-sadler-death/

[Ninjinister]

This is one of those where I won't believe it's happening until there's a trailer, because of how many times B&T3 has been "announced" over the decades.

[Andrew NDB]

This is one of those where I won't believe it's happening until there's a trailer, because of how many times B&T3 has been "announced" over the decades.

This is different. This is the first time they have financing in order, a studio behind it, and distribution. Having a director doesn't hurt either. None of these things they've had any of the times they've announced they're "working on it" (which just meant the script).

[Autbot_Benz]

new Interview with Ed Solomon from Collider

http://collider.com/bill-and-ted-3/#ed-solomon

Bill's Daughter is named Thea and Ted's is named Billie

[drgon78]

That would be really funny if they were so dumb as to name their daughters after themselves.:lol:

[Andrew NDB]

That would be really funny if they were so dumb as to name their daughters after themselves.:lol:

It would be more bizarre than anything else. "Bogus Journey" had them name their sons "Little Ted" and "Little Bill"... so same with the mystery daughters, too? And their wives just let them do that twice in a row?

[Vegita-San]

It would be more bizarre than anything else.

Yep. and the audience would pick up INSTANTLY, I'd hope, on what the writers where trying to do, any any good will the franchise had would start to fade away.

[Autbot_Benz]

It would be more bizarre than anything else. "Bogus Journey" had them name their sons "Little Ted" and "Little Bill"... so same with the mystery daughters, too? And their wives just let them do that twice in a row?

Actually Bill and Ted did have daughters at the end of Bogus Journey. IMDB credits two girls as playing uncredited child roles which is most likely Bill and Ted's Kids in the movie

https://i.imgur.com/3NfRv2W.png

[Prowler]

I wonder if they'll keep the same wives from the first two movies, or if they'll have already left Bill and Ted by this point, never to be seen again.


A divorce is pretty dark for a Bill and Ted movie.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Actually Bill and Ted did have daughters at the end of Bogus Journey. IMDB credits two girls as playing uncredited child roles which is most likely Bill and Ted's Kids in the movie

https://i.imgur.com/3NfRv2W.png


More likely those were random kids seen in the movie. The babies they had at the end were clearly meant to be boys.

[Vegita-San]

A divorce is pretty dark for a Bill and Ted movie.

yeah, i hope they don't go that route. bill and tedd needs to be light hearted fun now more than ever.

[drgon78]

Hopefully Bill and Ted are still with their original wives.

They could each have more then one kid so they could still have daughters and sons.

[XERO]

A divorce is pretty dark for a Bill and Ted movie.

Yeah, because them dying, meeting the Grim Reaper, possessing bodies and getting exorcised to Hell is perfectly lighthearted.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, because them dying, meeting the Grim Reaper, possessing bodies and getting exorcised to Hell is perfectly lighthearted.

I mean... the way it played out in the movies, yeah...

[Autbot_Benz]

Bill and Ted Face The Music filming begins January 10, 2019, according to a new report form Omega Underground.


http://comicbook.com/movies/2018/06/03/bill-and-ted-face-the-music-filming-begins-january-2019/

[drgon78]

So we will more then likely be waiting for a 2020 release at best.

[Autbot_Benz]

So we will more then likely be waiting for a 2020 release at best.

depends how long it takes them to film the movie and finish pre and post production. They could probably have it out later in 2019

[Andrew NDB]

depends how long it takes them to film the movie and finish pre and post production. They could probably have it out later in 2019

It's very conceivable. There's no way we're talking Infinity War or even Deadpool levels of post-production here.

I can't wait to see the first behind-the-scenes stuff when it starts filming.

[Autbot_Benz]

It's very conceivable. There's no way we're talking Infinity War or even Deadpool levels of post-production here.

I can't wait to see the first behind-the-scenes stuff when it starts filming.

Same I am super excited for this movie

[Andrew NDB]

Eh... now suddenly Keanu is "unsure if it's a reality."

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/80423

[Andrew NDB]

Good news from Alex Winters.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/80987

Though why are they still writing? I thought they all had a script they were proud of like... years ago now.

[Hero]

Been wondering about that.

[Autbot_Benz]

New Interview with Alex Winter

I can’t not ask about Bill & Ted. Is Face the Music actually, definitely happening?

Well, we’re in pre-prep and are set to shoot in early 2019. So right now, all systems are go. My old line when Blockbuster was in business was that I’d never believe a film was a go until the video was at Blockbuster. But I don’t know what to say anymore ... Netflix?

Given how long it’s been talked about, did you think the film would ever happen?

The idea was hatched by the four of us about 10 years ago – Keanu and myself and Chris Matheson and Ed Solomon. It didn’t happen without a lot of work. Most films aren’t easy, but a comedy sequel 25 years later wasn’t a slam dunk for most studios. While they loved the script it took us time to convince the financiers. And when they came on board they really came on board. And you know, they’ve had plenty of time to make the script great. The upside of it taking so long is the script is really good!

What was the reaction when Face the Music was formally announced?

It was an interesting litmus test. But the fan response has been enormous. It helped us get the financing because there was an overwhelmingly positive response to the idea of us doing this. Even in the age of internet comment trolling, we haven’t really encountered any pervasive negativity. The concerns that I’ve encountered are totally valid – don’t screw up the tone of the first two, make it a real Bill & Ted movie. And the question of how you revisit these characters so much later, that I’m not concerned about, because we think the comedy works great. Not that I want the film to stall any longer, but in a way, given the plotline, the older we get the funnier it gets.

Do people still shout out Bill & Ted lines at you?

Daily. Honestly, my kids are so used to it they don’t think of it.

What do they think of the films?

My kids think I’m a titanic dork.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/alex-winter-talks-panama-papers-doc-status-third-bill-ted-film-1156952?utm_source=twitter

[Andrew NDB]

Well, we’re in pre-prep and are set to shoot in early 2019.

I don't know what this means, to be in "pre-prep." What the hell is that? Is that, pre-production on a wholly greenlit and funded movie with the expectation that it would shoot in early 2019? Actual production (building sets, etc.)? Not even pre-production yet, just some kind of nebulous "we're figuring things out" stage?

Because "before any preparing" (which is what the literal definition of "pre-prep" would be) sure sounds like: "The movie is nowhere."

[Leo656]

Could it be a Most Excellent Christmas...?!

https://screenrant.com/bill-ted-3-christmas-release-possible/

We can only hope.

[Autbot_Benz]

Next Month is 30 years of Excellent Adventure so we might get some news on the third movie

[Autbot_Benz]

https://pursuenews.com/bill-and-ted-3-starts-filming-on-march-5-in-la-tempe-phoenix/?fbclid=IwAR202rvINI_vMOV5GvruH8l4mIW9T4-kO_0owhsISrnr08q3cFXr4tyRcDY


Bill And Ted 3 Starts Filming On March 5 In LA, Tempe & Phoenix

Keanu Reeves and Alex Winters will soon be getting into their roles as the rock n’ roll time travelers as Bill and Ted Face the Music gets a production start date. After facing several hurdles, Bill and Ted 3 has finally managed to move past its limbo stage and is all set to start rolling the cameras on March 5.

[Andrew NDB]

https://pursuenews.com/bill-and-ted-3-starts-filming-on-march-5-in-la-tempe-phoenix/?fbclid=IwAR202rvINI_vMOV5GvruH8l4mIW9T4-kO_0owhsISrnr08q3cFXr4tyRcDY


Bill And Ted 3 Starts Filming On March 5 In LA, Tempe & Phoenix

Keanu Reeves and Alex Winters will soon be getting into their roles as the rock n’ roll time travelers as Bill and Ted Face the Music gets a production start date. After facing several hurdles, Bill and Ted 3 has finally managed to move past its limbo stage and is all set to start rolling the cameras on March 5.

F*** yeah! That's great news.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://pursuenews.com/bill-and-ted-3-starts-filming-on-march-5-in-la-tempe-phoenix/?fbclid=IwAR202rvINI_vMOV5GvruH8l4mIW9T4-kO_0owhsISrnr08q3cFXr4tyRcDY


Bill And Ted 3 Starts Filming On March 5 In LA, Tempe & Phoenix

Keanu Reeves and Alex Winters will soon be getting into their roles as the rock n’ roll time travelers as Bill and Ted Face the Music gets a production start date. After facing several hurdles, Bill and Ted 3 has finally managed to move past its limbo stage and is all set to start rolling the cameras on March 5.

Alex Winter posted this on twitter.


Alex Winter
‏Verified account @Winter
42s43 seconds ago

Alex Winter Retweeted Thomas J. Cory II

Yes and yes, just an article saying we're shooting in March in AZ is incorrect. All good otherwise :)

[Andrew NDB]

Yes and yes, just an article saying we're shooting in March in AZ is incorrect. All good otherwise :)

Eh... so they're not shooting next month?

[Autbot_Benz]

Eh... so they're not shooting next month?

Not sure I thought it was denying Arizona but he didn';t say anything about California cause of San Dimas .

The article states: "Furthermore, as we earlier reported, filming will take place in Los Angeles, Tempe & Phoenix, AZ. its currently unknown which location the team would first begin filming in." So perhaps they are starting in March, but in LA.

In any case, if funding is secured it's just a matter of time before an official announcement.

[Roseangelo]

I've been avoiding following this afraid it will just lead to disappointment with no movie ever happening. But it is. And I am SO ready for it.

[Voltron]

It's going to be great seeing Keanu Reeves not having aged a day and Alex Winter looking like he aged for them both.

[Roseangelo]

It's going to be great seeing Keanu Reeves not having aged a day and Alex Winter looking like he aged for them both.

I love that Keanu isn't just still relevant, but he is so relevant that he really shouldn't be making this movie. But he is. And it will be amazing.

[Leo656]

It's weird that the erections I get for things like this generally throb in a totally different fashion than the erections I get for sex. Y'think it's my blood pressure?

Either way, full sail and no shame. So f*cking ready for this.

[drgon78]

I really hope this finally happens and it is actually good.

[Vegita-San]

I really hope this finally happens and it is actually good.

it doesn't really need to happen though. the last one ended it perfectly.

and didn't rehash the time travel bit, so it didn't feel like a retread like GB2.
can't get much better than that.

[TigerClaw]

Here's the official Bill and Ted 3 Twitter. Which is now verified.
https://twitter.com/BillandTed3

[Andrew NDB]

I love that Keanu isn't just still relevant, but he is so relevant that he really shouldn't be making this movie. But he is.

This has definitely been a passion project of his for eons, though. Even before the John Wick movies started it wasn't like he was hurting for money or anything.

Here's the official Bill and Ted 3 Twitter. Which is officially verified.
https://twitter.com/BillandTed3

I'll take them at their word but it's not particularly reassuring that the last update is from May of last year that it's "officially happening" and it's almost a full year later and there's no shoot dates yet.

[Leo656]

it doesn't really need to happen though. the last one ended it perfectly.

and didn't rehash the time travel bit, so it didn't feel like a retread like GB2.
can't get much better than that.

Except that 30 years later, we quite clearly haven't achieved universal harmony through the power of Rock N Roll and Air Guitar. I for one demand an explanation.

My pet theory is that Rufus died in-universe way before he should have, setting off a ripple effect that prevented Bill and Ted from taking that one final, crucial step that would have clinched the whole deal.

We'll see. :)

[Egon1982]

Awesome! i've been waiting for this for a long time and been a fan of Bill and Ted for 30 years since i was 7 when i saw the first movie in theaters and 9 when i saw the second one in theaters, this should be a nice comeback to complete the story.

[Autbot_Benz]

Today 2/17/2019 marks 30 years of Excellent Adventure.

so

https://i.imgur.com/rOKApip.gif

[Coola Yagami]

Except that 30 years later, we quite clearly haven't achieved universal harmony through the power of Rock N Roll and Air Guitar. I for one demand an explanation.

My pet theory is that Rufus died in-universe way before he should have, setting off a ripple effect that prevented Bill and Ted from taking that one final, crucial step that would have clinched the whole deal.

We'll see. :)

That's a good point i hope is brought up. 'Dude, it's like 2020, why aren't we in universal harmony like Rufus said?'

[Andrew NDB]

That's a good point i hope is brought up. 'Dude, it's like 2020, why aren't we in universal harmony like Rufus said?'

Oh god... I just had a horrible thought. I feel like they wouldn't... but what if Bill & Ted 3 ends up being a veiled political thing? You know what I mean?

[Vegita-San]

That's a good point i hope is brought up. 'Dude, it's like 2020, why aren't we in universal harmony like Rufus said?'

but the end of part two showed they achieved it as they went to mars.

that's why part 3 is stupid.

[Leo656]

That's a good point i hope is brought up. 'Dude, it's like 2020, why aren't we in universal harmony like Rufus said?'

It's already been mentioned in several places that the basic plot is about figuring out what went wrong, and why what was supposed to happen, didn't happen. There's apparently a reason why Wyld Stallyns didn't conquer the universe as expected, and that's what we're going to learn.

but the end of part two showed they achieved it as they went to mars.

that's why part 3 is stupid.

Not really. We saw a bunch of tongue-in-cheek newspaper clippings and that's all. The last thing we physically saw, was Bill & Ted onstage at the Battle of the Bands. All that other stuff during the credits could have simply existed in the original timeline - the one that didn't happen now, for reasons this films is set to explain.
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I'd be willing to bet that, like most people, it was simply the decision to have kids that ruined everyone's life and doomed the future. :lol: After all, at NO point in the first two films did anyone from the future say anything about their kids. They're probably not supposed to exist, and that was the schism point that fractured the timeline. Probably a "Mommy was gonna be a doctor, but instead I had YOU" type of scenario. :trazz:

Or something else. I'unno, we'll see. This is pretty much the only movie I'm excited about for the foreseeable future. I'm annoyed that the studio wouldn't agree to make it unless Bill and Ted had daughters instead of sons, but whatever, that might just be incidental in the big picture. We'll see what happens.

[Andrew NDB]

F*** yeah.

2_x2C4L6quA

https://ew.com/movies/2019/03/20/bill-and-ted-3-release-date-keanu-reeves-alex-winter

[Autbot_Benz]

F*** yeah.

2_x2C4L6quA

https://ew.com/movies/2019/03/20/bill-and-ted-3-release-date-keanu-reeves-alex-winter

To all the Naysayers who said this movie would never happen

**** YOU

[drgon78]

Be excellent to each other and...PARTY ON DUDE!!!

[Autbot_Benz]

Be excellent to one another and...PARTY ON DUDE!!!

close its be excellent to each other

[drgon78]

There, I fixed it.

I hope this movie happens, I hope it is good, and I hope it makes money.

[Andrew NDB]

Very bad news... apparently "Bill & Ted Face the Music" is split into three movies and is only the first movie in a trilogy (http://www.react365.com/5c93bac1a4f75/keanu-reeves-and-alex-winter-announce-bill-ted-3-will-be-a-trilogy.html). If the movie doesn't make money we'll never get the other 2 parts.

[Autbot_Benz]

Very bad news... apparently "Bill & Ted Face the Music" is split into three movies and is only the first movie in a trilogy (http://www.react365.com/5c93bac1a4f75/keanu-reeves-and-alex-winter-announce-bill-ted-3-will-be-a-trilogy.html). If the movie doesn't make money we'll never get the other 2 parts.

I am calling fake news on this. Checked both Alex Winter's Twitter the Bill and Ted 3 Twitter and searched Twitter and nobody is talking about this and I did a google search and nothing about a trilogy is coming up

[Prowler]

I still can't believe I had no idea there was a Bill & Ted 2 movie until rather recently. I've watched the first one several times, though.

[snake]

2 is the superior one, also. It’s like Gremlins 2, where the bullsh*t factor is cranked up to the max and they just have fun with the script.

[TigerClaw]

I am calling fake news on this. Checked both Alex Winter's Twitter the Bill and Ted 3 Twitter and searched Twitter and nobody is talking about this and I did a google search and nothing about a trilogy is coming up
That's because it is. If you go to http://www.react365.com/ It lets you create a fake post.

[Andrew NDB]

I made it just for you guys. :)

[Leo656]

I and II are such completely different movies that I don't even like to measure them. Doesn't feel right.

Like, the first is about as good of a Screwball Comedy you can come up without showing anyone getting blackout drunk or excessively high, and the second one is... actually a very thoughtful meditation on the meaning of life itself, disguised as a Screwball Comedy. I don't know if I'd say it was "better", but it definitely aimed much higher and completely hit the mark.

The Marvel comic book series, by the way? Glorious. Still one of the funniest things I've ever read. I even have the comic based on Bill & Ted's personal favorite super-hero, the Fight-Man one-shot ("Cuz ONE SHOT Is All He Needs!" :tgrin:). Track it down if you can.

[Andrew NDB]

I and II are such completely different movies that I don't even like to measure them. Doesn't feel right.

Like, the first is about as good of a Screwball Comedy you can come up without showing anyone getting blackout drunk or excessively high, and the second one is... actually a very thoughtful meditation on the meaning of life itself, disguised as a Screwball Comedy. I don't know if I'd say it was "better", but it definitely aimed much higher and completely hit the mark.

The Marvel comic book series, by the way? Glorious. Still one of the funniest things I've ever read. I even have the comic based on Bill & Ted's personal favorite super-hero, the Fight-Man one-shot ("Cuz ONE SHOT Is All He Needs!" :tgrin:). Track it down if you can.

I need to rewatch "Bogus Journey." As a kid I loved all sorts of bad movies, or movies that I watch now and can't stand... but I remember implicitly NOT liking that. Like, at all.

[Leo656]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/09/094d788f558cd1cffc3d8da7c003963e7dbdd13aad41d2c76e 9cdd671d4fc057.jpg

[Autbot_Benz]

Its Official from the Bill and Ted Twitter William Sadler will be Death in the 3rd movie


Bill & Ted 3
‏Verified account @BillandTed3
3m3 minutes ago

For those who have been asking, @Wm_Sadler will totally be reprising his role!

Lets hope they don't give him a melvin.

[Roseangelo]

I rewatched both movies over the weekend. They hold up and are pretty much just as great as I remembered them being.

Station!

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/042E5xH.gif

[Leo656]

That is GREAT news.

[snake]

B&T Death is the best representation of death in all of fiction.

No, not even cute goth girl Sandman Death stands a chance.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

What about Yu-Yu Hakusho Botan/Death? I love her!

[Leo656]

B&T Death is the best representation of death in all of fiction.

No, not even cute goth girl Sandman Death stands a chance.

This one speaks the truth!

[TigerClaw]

Rufus will not be recast in the movie. They responded to a fan asking if there will be a George Carlin Tribute.
https://twitter.com/BillandTed3/status/1110213725175332864

He's so deeply missed by all who worked with him on the previous two films. His character will not be recast, but his absence will be a part of the whole third movie - including what is possibly the most emotional scene of the film.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I wondered how that would be addressed. I assume it will be tasteful and respectful.

I theorize that Rufus maybe died "too soon", and without his guidance Bill & Ted were incapable of fulfilling their destiny. Just a theory but we'll see what happens.

[Andrew NDB]

What do you guys think? Would it be ghoulish if they actually brought George Carlin to life with CGI? Like at the end, presiding over B&T as they play their song to a crowd or something?

[Leo656]

Yeah. I wouldn't wanna see that.

Some flashback scenes set to some poignant music would be more than enough.

[TigerClaw]

What do you guys think? Would it be ghoulish if they actually brought George Carlin to life with CGI? Like at the end, presiding over B&T as they play their song to a crowd or something?
One way to approach this. If they cast someone who can play as a Son or Daughter of Rufus.

[Leo656]

Apparently they're going to be popping into scenes from the first two films a'la Back to the Future II. I can dig that.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I loved those scenes in BttF. Made the whole time-travel thing more weirdly crazy!

[Leo656]

They're gonna have a helluva time cleaning up the old footage to make it match current visual standards, though.

Keep in mind, for as good as it looked, those BttF2 scenes were a living hell to actually put together. I'm sure they have more tricks to work with nowadays, though. I can't wait to see what comes together.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

They were also all filmed close together, so getting the props, etc wasn't an issue. Wonder how BnT will manage that?

[TigerClaw]

With the advancements in the de-aging technology. I'm sure they can make Keanu Reeves and Alex Winter look younger in those scenes.

[Leo656]

Still waiting for one of those scenes that doesn't like like total ass.

This movie doesn't have an MCU or Star Wars budget, guy. They've all publicly declared that everyone involved in the making of this thing is doing it out of the kindness of their heart and making approximately $0 on it.

Adjust expectations accordingly.

[Roseangelo]

This movie doesn't have an MCU or Star Wars budget, guy. They've all publicly declared that everyone involved in the making of this thing is doing it out of the kindness of their heart and making approximately $0 on it.

Adjust expectations accordingly.

So instead of being filled with CGI crap it'll use practical effects combined with some standard green screen, basically just like the original movies? Pretty sure that's what everyone's expecting.

[Andrew NDB]

So instead of being filled with CGI crap it'll use practical effects combined with some standard green screen, basically just like the original movies? Pretty sure that's what everyone's expecting.

Yeah, no problem with this at all.

[snake]

They might as well just reshoot the old scenes with younger actors just to have them look on par with the rest of the movie. Isn’t that what BTTF2 did anyway, but with the same actors? I’ve never really looked into it.

[Andrew NDB]

They're gonna have a helluva time cleaning up the old footage to make it match current visual standards, though.

What does that mean? The masters for either Bill and Ted movie are like... well, any movie shot on film. In that it exists in resolution well beyond 1080p. It just needs to be re-processed. Though for the sake of the new movie I'd avoid any shots where we see special effects in old footage from the old movies.

They might as well just reshoot the old scenes with younger actors just to have them look on par with the rest of the movie. Isn’t that what BTTF2 did anyway, but with the same actors? I’ve never really looked into it.

NO! We do not want that. We want the seed of the old into the new.

[snake]

Listen, the fact that we’re even getting B&T3 is seed enough. I never would’ve realistically thought this would happen.

[drgon78]

I am happy we are even getting a B&T3.

Speaking of the de-aging technology, what movie(or movies) do you think did it best?

[Candy Kappa]

Haven't seen Capt. Marvel yet, but Young Fury looks really good. I also think Young Hank Pym looks decent and Rogue One did fairly good, but RO is a different beast in comparison.

Young Tony in Winter Soldier looks really off though.

[Xav]

They might as well just reshoot the old scenes with younger actors just to have them look on par with the rest of the movie. Isn’t that what BTTF2 did anyway, but with the same actors? I’ve never really looked into it.Well yeah. Except they had to replace Crispin Glover.

[TigerClaw]

Well yeah. Except they had to replace Crispin Glover.
I remember Crispin Glover suing the makers of Back To The Future Part 2 for using his likeness without his permission and won that case.

[Leo656]

I just can't believe we're finally getting it. I almost don't wanna let myself get too excited because I'm afraid I'll jinx it.

[Autbot_Benz]

Keanu Reeves’ ‘Bill & Ted Face the Music’ Will Now Begin Filming June 24th & Wrap August 17th in New Orleans

https://thegww.com/keanu-reeves-bill-ted-face-the-music-will-now-begin-filming-june-24th-wrap-august-17th-in-new-orleans/

[Autbot_Benz]

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/06/bill-ted-face-the-music-cast-daughters-1202147460/

Bill and Ted Daughters are cast

Rising stars Brigette Lundy-Paine is on deck to star as Bill Preston’s (Alex Winters) daughter Thea Preston, while Samara Weaving will join her as Ted Logan’s (Keanu Reeves) daughter Billie Logan. (And, yes, it seems as if the girls’ names are cute nods to their respective dads’ very best friend.)

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/06/bill-ted-face-the-music-cast-daughters-1202147460/

Bill and Ted Daughters are cast

Rising stars Brigette Lundy-Paine is on deck to star as Bill Preston’s (Alex Winters) daughter Thea Preston, while Samara Weaving will join her as Ted Logan’s (Keanu Reeves) daughter Billie Logan. (And, yes, it seems as if the girls’ names are cute nods to their respective dads’ very best friend.)

Who's going to play their sons?

[Autbot_Benz]

Who's going to play their sons?

nobody they only have daughters

[Coola Yagami]

nobody they only have daughters

No they didn't. And those weren't their names at the end of Bogus Journey either.

[ProactiveMan]

nobody they only have daughters

That's weird. I assumed they were boys because their names were Little Ted and Little Bill, but they don't actually say either way at the end of Bogus Journey.

Although I'm guessing the story will probably nullify that ending in some way based on what we know about the general synopsis...

[ProactiveMan]

The daughters' names are Thea and Billie, so the new movie doesn't technically contradict the end of Bogus Journey with Little Ted and Little Bill.

That's true, though Thea into Ted is a bit of a stretch. I know a couple of Theas and none of them go by Ted. If it's short for Theodora then maybe, but you probably wouldn't shorten that to Thea in that case. Any Theodoras feel free to correct me.

Bill & Ted are not that smart on the other hand, so maybe it makes sense.

[Andrew NDB]

The daughters' names are Thea and Billie, so the new movie doesn't technically contradict the end of Bogus Journey with Little Ted and Little Bill.

OK. I can dig this, then.

[Vegita-San]

it's a ret con.

pure and simple.

they are already trying to fit bill and ted into modern times by gender swapping the characters. not quite what i wanted to see after 20 years.

[Andrew NDB]

it's a ret con.

pure and simple.

they are already trying to fit bill and ted into modern times by gender swapping the characters. not quite what i wanted to see after 20 years.

The fact that they used baby girls in reality to film them makes me more forgiving. But that 100% wasn't the intent in Bogus Journey to make them female.

[snake]

Eh, it doesn’t really matter. Yeah, it’s kind of misinformed on the writing part, but I can let it pass.

[TigerClaw]

Hopefully they are still married to the Princesses they met in the 1st one.

[Andrew NDB]

Hopefully they are still married to the Princesses they met in the 1st one.

That's what I'm really wondering. And if they'll be played by the same actresses. This was from 3 years ago:

https://seriouslyomg.com/bill-teds-excellent-adventures-princesses-reunited/

Also, I never realized... they recast both ladies in Bogus Journey? Is this true?

[ProactiveMan]

Also, I never realized... they recast both ladies in Bogus Journey? Is this true?

Yeah. They only vaguely look the same, but I didn't noticed when I was a kid. Same with Jennifer from Back to the Future; pretty obvious when you watch them close together, but I didn't pick it up.

[Autbot_Benz]

Kid Cudi (some rapper guy) joins the cast


Deadline Hollywood
‏Verified account @DEADLINE

‘Bill & Ted Face The Music’ Grooves With Grammy Winner Kid Cudi https://deadline.com/2019/06/kid-cudi-joins-bill-ted-face-the-music-movie-keanu-reeves-1202632169/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter …

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah. They only vaguely look the same, but I didn't noticed when I was a kid. Same with Jennifer from Back to the Future; pretty obvious when you watch them close together, but I didn't pick it up.

Crazy.

So now, jeeze. What do they even do? Do they try and get back the actresses from the original movie, or the ones that took their role for Bogus Journey (which is the last time we saw the characters)? I'm not sure which one is more logical. Hell, is it best to just recast both a second time?

[Autbot_Benz]

someone asked Ed Solomon on Twitter about the whole did Bill and Ted have sons in Bogus Journey his response.

Ed Solomon
‏Verified account @ed_solomon
13h13 hours ago

They said little Bill and little Ted. They didn’t say gender

[Autbot_Benz]

Alex Winter
‏Verified account @Winter
5h5 hours ago

Just got to location to shoot @BillandTed3. Making movies is a miraculous gig, but it's also stressful & fairly nuts. Good to be here with @ed_solomon, our great director & producer, many folks I've known most of my life. We're family, and that makes this all the more special.

[Andrew NDB]

Just got to location to shoot @BillandTed3.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/xTiTnBMEz7zAKs57LG/giphy.gif

[drgon78]

Well at least it is finally happening.

[Autbot_Benz]

Hollywood Reporter
‏Verified account @THR

Exclusive: #BarryHBO breakout Anthony Carrigan (@Anth_Carrigan) joins 'Bill & Ted Face the Music' as villain http://thr.cm/scmf/OrMCe04Lcp0lOEE2_...o6mJTgK/3yF87P #BillAndTed3

Its the guy who played Victor Zsasz in Gotham

[Autbot_Benz]

Sorry to report The Princesses aka Bill and Ted's Wives are being played by different actresses than the first 2 movies.Jayma Mays & Erinn Hayes are playing them.

https://deadline.com/2019/06/bill-ted-face-the-music-jayma-mays-erinn-hayes-cast-wives-1202638413/

Also Missy and Ted's Dad are back too.

https://www.joblo.com/movie-news/bill-ted-face-the-music-grows-largers-with-new-and-returning-cast-members

[Andrew NDB]

Sorry to report The Princesses aka Bill and Ted's Wives are being played by different actresses than the first 2 movies.Jayma Mays & Erinn Hayes are playing them.

There better be a good reason for that, and they better have at least reached out to them... because taking a brief look at these new actresses, it seems like it was done for one reason alone.

[Vegita-San]

I hate to ask, but what might that be?

the original ladies have aged incredibly well and are probably still acting. no need to recast.

unless they want to make it a running joke like the national lampoon kids.

[Andrew NDB]

I hate to ask, but what might that be?

Simple: while the original actresses (either set of them) do look more or less good for their age (some less than others)... there is no doubt that these new actresses look way younger than them. I haven't checked their ages but I'm pretty sure they're younger as well.

[Autbot_Benz]

Simple: while the original actresses (either set of them) do look more or less good for their age (some less than others)... there is no doubt that these new actresses look way younger than them. I haven't checked their ages but I'm pretty sure they're younger as well.

Jayma is 39 and Erinn Hayes is 43

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, here's what I dug up:

Excellent Adventure Bill & Ted wives:

Joanna = Diane Franklin (Bill's wife) -- 57
Elizabeth = Kimberley Kates (Ted's wife) -- 49

Bogus Journey Bill & Ted wives:

Joanna = Sarah Trigger (Bill's wife) -- 51
Elizabeth = Annette Azcuy (Ted's wife) -- Can't find an age on her anywhere, but she looks like she could easily be 55. Maybe even more.

New Bill & Ted wives:

Joanna = Jayma Mays (Bill's wife) -- 39
Elizabeth = Erinn Hayes (Ted's wife) -- 43

So yeah... significantly younger than the existing actresses, who I am imagining would have been down to reprise their roles (in fact, there's articles where they say they wanted to). But again... maybe a moral dilemma beyond them simply wanting to en-youngen Bill and Ted's wives? Like, who would it be the real slap in the face to by not having any existing actresses reprise the parts... the Excellent Adventure ladies, or the Bogus Journey ladies? There could be arguments both ways.

[TigerClaw]

I wonder how much of a role will Bill and Ted's Wifes have in this sequel? They hardly did anything in the previous movies. All they did was just be there.

Given the passage of time. These Princesses by now should have already adjusted to life in the Modern Age. Since they were born in medieval times.

[Andrew NDB]

Given the passage of time. These Princesses by now should have already adjusted to life in the Modern Age. Since they were born in medieval times.

Yeah, they would have been alive significantly longer in the modern age than they were in medieval times. Now.

[Autbot_Benz]

Excellent! ‘Bill & Ted Face the Music’ to Start Production in New Orleans this Week

http://collider.com/bill-and-ted-3-filming-update/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

Strange things are about to be a-foot in New Orleans. After literal decades of hypes, teases, and false starts, Bill & Ted Face the Music will start shooting on Monday, July 1, according to co-writer Ed Solomon. “Monday. Crew call: 7:30. First shot: 9:00,” Solomon wrote on Twitter. Barring anyone from the past or future arriving to stop it, this is real, this is a thing that’s actually happening, and this is, to borrow a phrase from a couple of scholars, most excellent.

[Andrew NDB]

Starts filming today. First pic already snapped:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7195899/Keanu-Reeves-freshly-shaven-arrives-day-filming-Bill-Ted-3.html?ito=amp_twitter_share-related

[Autbot_Benz]

Alex Winter just posted this on twitter


Alex Winter
‏Verified account @Winter

Day one. See you on the other side and remember to be excellent 🎸🎸
@BillandTed3

https://i.imgur.com/8JZ6TwV.jpg

[Autbot_Benz]

keanu doing things
‏ @keanuthings
34m34 minutes ago

keanu reeves & alex winter on the set of bill & ted face the music

https://i.imgur.com/cJxUIyl.png

https://i.imgur.com/r9iU24w.png

https://i.imgur.com/Q57eoDB.png

https://i.imgur.com/uBocAP7.png

[Andrew NDB]

https://i.imgur.com/uBocAP7.png

That really makes me smile.

[Autbot_Benz]

TMZ has just brought to light some new Historical Dude/Dudettes

Looks like Gandhi and Sacagawea are in the movie

https://www.tmz.com/2019/07/02/keanu-reeves-alex-winter-phone-booth-reunite-bill-and-ted-3-sequel/

[Autbot_Benz]

William Sadler
‏Verified account @Wm_Sadler
23h23 hours ago

After this last week of filming #billandtedfacethemusic @BillandTed3 all I can say is OMG it feels great to work/play with all my old friends again. And this cast? Brilliant! The Reaper was fun then and he’s more fun now. AND...I’d forgotten how slimming that big black robe is.

[Autbot_Benz]

George Carlin's Daughter Kelly Carlin has joined the cast

https://comicbook.com/movies/2019/08...onor-of-rufus/

Not sure if she is playing Rufus's daughter but there is a character in the movie named kelly who plays a big role so it could be that too.


Kelly Carlin
‏Verified account @kelly_carlin
17h17 hours ago

It’s real. I get to be a part of Bill & Ted Face the Music. Thank you @ed_solomon & @Winter for including me.

[Egon1982]

Can't wait

[Autbot_Benz]

The Chosen One
‏Verified account @KidCudi
22m22 minutes ago

Excellent!!

https://i.imgur.com/Bpk0C1n.jpg

[Autbot_Benz]

https://comicbook.com/movies/2019/08/18/bill-and-ted-3-holland-taylor-the-great-leader/

The Great Leader is being played by holland taylor

[Autbot_Benz]

Alex Winter
‏Verified account @Winter

Bittersweet to be wrapping up the Bill & Ted shoot. Tho I'm happy I get to read this on the flight home in a few days.

Looks like the movie is almost done. Maybe we might get a teaser trailer before the end of the year.

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like the movie is almost done. Maybe we might get a teaser trailer before the end of the year.

It's been shooting for a while now... seems about right. This isn't "Lord of the Rings."

[Autbot_Benz]

Alex Winter
‏Verified account @Winter
2m2 minutes ago

That's a wrap! We had fun, hope you all dig it :)

https://i.imgur.com/yK9cCzR.jpg

[Coola Yagami]

After all the talk and planning it felt like the actual filming didn't take that long.

[Andrew NDB]

Rewatched Excellent Adventure a few months back and mostly dug it, in spite of certain parts not aging well at all. Just rewatched Bogus Journey and... wow... that was a bad movie. Painfully unfunny. Moments from the Reaper worked, but that's about it. The parts in Hell and Heaven and the alien "Station" helper are largely nonsensical.

[Coola Yagami]

Rewatched Excellent Adventure a few months back and mostly dug it, in spite of certain parts not aging well at all. Just rewatched Bogus Journey and... wow... that was a bad movie. Painfully unfunny. Moments from the Reaper worked, but that's about it. The parts in Hell and Heaven and the alien "Station" helper are largely nonsensical.

Which parts did you feel didn't age well other than the 80's surfer slang?

One funny thing about Bill and Ted is that despite their 'not that bright' status, they do use a lot of big fancy words. Like there's comics of them and since you can't hear the 'whoooooaaaaaa' in their voices as you read them it's surprising just how wordy and 'smart sounding' they are.

[Leo656]

Those Marvel Bill & Ted comics are absolutely brilliant.

Meanwhile, Andrew and his bad opinions are hereby banished to the cellar until further notice.

[Autbot_Benz]

Robot Chicken did a Bill and Ted skit recently

xGFEC92r2Eg

[Andrew NDB]

Which parts did you feel didn't age well other than the 80's surfer slang?

Really just talking about the SFX. Same with Bogus Journey. I'm sure anyone now would be quick to point out them calling people "f a g" in a derogatory sense as something that has aged poorly... but as even "It: Chapter One" encapsulates, that was kind of the leading insult of the day.

Bogus Journey just boggles me. If I was really high (I don't get high) maybe it would make more sense. But it just seems like everyone at every level of the production was. Like, can anyone explain to me the true value of the alien "Station" thing to me in a way that makes sense?

[Leo656]

I'm sure anyone now would be quick to point out them calling people "f a g" in a derogatory sense as something that has aged poorly...


Nooo, c'mon. My buddies and I still do it, it's very liberating. Although it helps if you love gay people. Then they know you don't mean it.

As for your problems with Bogus Journey... it's like you don't get absurdist humor, or something. Why does it have to all make sense?

Did you read the comic book? Kinda thinking you wouldn't like the comic book. And that makes me think you're a f*ckin' NARC. :fshifty:

[Xav]

Bogus Journey just boggles me. If I was really high (I don't get high) maybe it would make more sense. But it just seems like everyone at every level of the production was. Like, can anyone explain to me the true value of the alien "Station" thing to me in a way that makes sense?Basically Station is an inside joke. The writers deleted a scene but left the word station behind. Because they were drunk, they thought it was hilarious.
https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a845128/bill-ted-bogus-journey-ed-solomon-alien-station/

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/xX9IUTQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RVhMIPP.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/s7EFStY.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

Probably about due for a trailer, I think.

Really astonishing how much more youthful Winter looks than we thought he would, especially compared to Keanu.

[Autbot_Benz]

New Synopsis...

"The stakes are higher than ever for the time-traveling exploits of William 'Bill' S. Preston Esq. and Theodore 'Ted' Logan. Yet to fulfill their rock and roll destiny, the now middle aged best friends set out on a new adventure when a visitor from the future warns them that only their song can save life as we know it. Along the way, they will be helped by their daughters, a new batch of historical figures, and a few music legends - to seek the song that will set their world right and bring harmony in the universe."

[drgon78]

Hopefully the trailer drops soon.

I like the fact their daughters look like they could be their actual daughters in real life.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm most curious as to how they're going to portray Bill and Ted's... empty-headedness. Like, if the first two movies are them with that on a scale at a 10, will the new movie have them still at a 10 in their 50s? Will it be, like, a 5? Will they even be empty-headed at all beyond little moments?

[Coola Yagami]

I'm most curious as to how they're going to portray Bill and Ted's... empty-headedness. Like, if the first two movies are them with that on a scale at a 10, will the new movie have them still at a 10 in their 50s? Will it be, like, a 5? Will they even be empty-headed at all beyond little moments?

Assuming they have some sort of day job, we can assume they have to kinda fake it and act 'adult' and 'mature' until they get home and dude out. I wonder if the movie takes it as far as they even grew apart and Bill and Ted need to seek each other out to get their story going.

[Autbot_Benz]

Walmart Super Bowl commercial shows young and old Bill picking up their groceries in the phone booth. Also other characters from other franchises show up.

suVwYyIe1nY

[Leo656]

Never in my life did I think any of this would actually be happening. Unreal.

[Autbot_Benz]

Ed Solomon
@ed_solomon
·
1m
I know I've been pretty quiet on the Bill & Ted front, but I'm happy to report a bit of good news:

I'm told we'll have a teaser in just a few weeks. AND...

I've been given permission to announce a super fun way for fans to be a *part* of Face the Music.

Details tomorrow!

[Hamato Yoshi]

"Unreal"

Not really , Hwood has been out of ideas for yrs so it makes sense to revive previously successes

[Leo656]

Most likely not getting a theatrical release, because of course not.

https://screenrant.com/bill-ted-3-movie-streaming-release-theaters-possibility/

I guess we should be grateful that it's coming out at all, it's just... man. After everything it took to get this far, to have such an anticlimactic finish.

Still looking forward to it, but was really, really looking forward to going to see it in theaters. Although I pretty much knew back in March that this was gonna be the case. I'll be shocked if theaters open again at all in 2020 no matter what anyone is humming about.

[Andrew NDB]

Putting it out on demand makes a lot of sense. It probably would have done OK at the box office... but Bill & Ted 3 was never going to break any records or anything and we all knew that.

[Leo656]

Regardless, it's a bit ironic and unsatisfactory that the entire premise of Bill & Ted is about unity, community, and bringing people together... and it's Magnum Opus/Grand Finale is doomed to be experienced by people who are isolated and sheltering in place.

I mean, yeah, there's a bunch of metaphorical stuff one could pull, and the whole idea of "We need this now more than ever", and whatnot... but still. I care very little for box office records even though I follow the information. It never means a movie was good or bad and it wouldn't have mattered for this one, either. What we would have gotten regardless is a bunch of super-excited fans who've been waiting far too long for this experience, high-fiving and playing air guitar in the theater lobby while reminiscing fondly about how the original films changed their lives for the better.

That experience and shared feeling of camaraderie was taken from us, and that's the shame. Nobody who'd actually see this movie ever expected it to make a fortune, that was never the point of the exercise. It's just not going to feel the same, no matter how good the movie is.

I do sincerely hope that it's really good. Still very much looking forward to it. It's just not going to feel the same.

[Andrew NDB]

I suspect even these movies that see VOD-type of releases will still see some kind of limited theatrical releases when theaters open back up. They kind of have to. Because what else are they going to release for like a year? Nothing is being made right now.

[Autbot_Benz]

Alex Winter
@Winter
·
12m
Hey, thanks for asking. Everything is great in BT3 land. The cut is almost done and looks fantastic. Teasers and trailers are ready to go. Like every movie slated for this summer we had to stop and reorganize due to Covid. Teaser coming in a few weeks, news on release soon!

[Leo656]

Ultimately, I'm just glad it's real and it's finally (almost) here.

This is one of those things I gave up on a long time ago. I mean, it pretty much had everything working against it. The originals didn't make a ton of money and they're both more or less the epitome of "cult classics". Someone must have been in an extremely generous mood to even greenlight this project, let alone with all the original creatives involved.

I'm sad it won't get a theatrical release but anything is better than nothing. Just wish it'd get here already.

[Autbot_Benz]

Official Movie Poster

https://i.imgur.com/TSrEU1J.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

That poster got a little squished horizontally there somehow. But it's a good poster.

Sounds like more to come all day. Including the trailer. It kind of has to, if the poster they just released cements Summer and here we are in the middle of June.

[ZariusTwo]

0hAL7emClFM

[newfan]

Still has the same feel to it, from what I remember, been years since I've seen the other two movies. They pull off around 30 years later quite well too.

[Autbot_Benz]

Can't wait for an actual Trailer. teaser was good

[Andrew NDB]

I wasn't expecting that they'd still be talking like their 16 year-old selves. That's odd. Or maybe they kind of snap back into that after reuniting and all.

[drgon78]

Looks good to me.

[Coola Yagami]

Looks good to me, though Bill looks like he hasn't changed a day, and Ted looks and sounds older. It's funny but like Bill looks more young at heart while Ted looks like 'why hello fellow kids'.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Hmmm, I dunno. The teaser just felt kind of "meh to me. They both really look their age, like aging has-been rockers who just can't seem to realize that they have gotten old and are no longer "cool". Kind of like G&R or some other 80's bands that haven't aged well. I might see it, but so far, doesn't look like anything special.

[Andrew NDB]

Can't wait for an actual Trailer. teaser was good

You sure there will even be one? The movie comes out in like a month.

[Autbot_Benz]

You sure there will even be one? The movie comes out in like a month.

ya Movie's release date isn't until August 21st unless its changed. If we don't no worries less stuff to be spoiled.

[Leo656]

Hmmm, I dunno. The teaser just felt kind of "meh to me. They both really look their age, like aging has-been rockers who just can't seem to realize that they have gotten old and are no longer "cool". Kind of like G&R or some other 80's bands that haven't aged well. I might see it, but so far, doesn't look like anything special.

You've completely missed the entire point of the exercise, apparently...

[Andrew NDB]

The trailer actually tells us a lot. There's clearly the bringing in of historical figures again (a split second, you can see someone in like Roman armor appear on the street)... and apparently they must DIE at some point (maybe after that prison scene) because we see them in what looks like Hell talking to the Grim Reaper. I'm glad they put the Grim Reaper in the trailer.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

You've completely missed the entire point of the exercise, apparently...


No, no, I GET it, it just didn't really reach out and grab me. Looked very vanilla, at best, maybe even just plain unflavored ice cream. I was expecting to at least be a little excited by it. I wasn't. Perhaps I should say that after waiting 30 years for this, I was hoping for something a bit "more".

[Coola Yagami]

So I guess the common consensus so far is Winter is Bill, like he is is Bill, while Keanu feels more like Keanu trying to act like Ted.

[Autbot_Benz]

Allegedly the movie has been bumped up to August 14th in theaters. but I wouldn't hold your breath with all the other movies getting pushed back a year pushed to new 2020 release dates or pushed to streaming and not every theater will be open around then

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/bi...irus-pandemic/

[Leo656]

Yeah, I'd love for it to come out in theaters but it all seems like wishful thinking right now.

[drgon78]

I hope that is true, it would be the only movie who's release date got moved up.

[Coola Yagami]

I hope that is true, it would be the only movie who's release date got moved up.

Um... Black Widow?

[Cure]

Um... Black Widow?

Black Widow has never been moved up.

[Autbot_Benz]

Alex Winter Face with medical mask
@Winter
?
1m
I saw the final, totally finished version of

@BillandTed3
today for the first time. Incredibly proud of the film that director Dean Parisot made and all of our work in it. Now it's over to all of you! News on the release plan is *imminent*. GuitarGuitar
#BillandTed3 #FaceTheMusic

[Leo656]

Can't wait! Also can't wait to do a binge-watch of the entire trilogy.

I hope the soundtrack is great. The first and second movie's soundtracks were amaaaaaazing, two of the best soundtracks I own. So I really hope this one follows suit.

[Roseangelo]

Can't wait! Also can't wait to do a binge-watch of the entire trilogy.

I hope the soundtrack is great. The first and second movie's soundtracks were amaaaaaazing, two of the best soundtracks I own. So I really hope this one follows suit.

Bogus Journey is one of my favorite and most-played albums of all time. I really hope #3 delivers.

[Leo656]

Would you believe that album was my introduction to Megadeth, Primus, Steve Vai AND Faith No More?! 9-year old kids aren't supposed to have such great taste in music, and if not for that movie, I wouldn't have!

Some people are like, "How can a dumb movie like that change a life?" YOU DON'T KNOW, MAN! YOU WEREN'T THERE!

I owned the Bogus Journey soundtrack way before the Excellent Adventure one, and although they're totally different and the first film's album is considerably "light and fluffy" by comparison, there's some very underrated cuts on there. "In Time" and "Walk Away" will always snap me out of a funk, no matter how deep. "Break Away" can get me pumped up for anything. Even the cheesier, stereotypical 80s hair metal stuff isn't even "bad", it's just "of its time". I'm actually kinda glad that for that one, they didn't have the budget to put any really well-known bands on songs on the record. It gives that album an identity all its own, and I relate the songs more to the movie itself, and the feelings they stir in me, than I do to things like, "Hey, that song was on the _______ album!", the way I can't help but do with some of the songs on the Bogus Journey record.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I still crank up God Gave Rock and Roll to You on a fairly frequent basis....

[Autbot_Benz]

Bill & Ted 3
@BillandTed3
The Wyld Stallyns are back, and they’ve expanded their act! Behold the new poster for Bill & Ted Face the Music, available On Demand and in select theaters September 1. Watch the all-new trailer now:

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[Leo656]

I am SO goddamn hard right now.

You didn't ask, but that's what's goin' on. :lol:

[Autbot_Benz]

I am SO goddamn hard right now.

You didn't ask, but that's what's goin' on. :lol:

September 1st can't come fast enough.

[XERO]

Smiled the entire trailer. I can't wait.

[drgon78]

Wow, a new trailer.

[Coola Yagami]

While I feel kinda bad that the wives have taken the guys to couples counseling (boy they sure adapted to modern day), I am overjoyed to see the daughters act just like their dads. I'm glad they weren't like the 'modern millennial' that rolls their eyes at their dad's antics, they clearly love and idolize their folks and think they're the coolest thing since sliced bread.

I'm surprised Ted eventually told his dad everything, unless it happens earlier in this movie.

[Andrew NDB]

That was a good new trailer. Keanu seems more like Bill now... but still. Why is he still talking like he's 15 years old?

[Leo656]

Ted. Keanu plays Ted.

[Autbot_Benz]

The movie is back at the August 28th release on vod and select theaters.

[Vegita-San]

sounds like woke bill and tedd to me..
sigh

he doesn't seem to thrilled about the daughters idea either. he had to think about the 'right' words.

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[Leo656]

It's indeed annoying that Bill & Ted now have daughters despite very clearly being shown to have sons in the movies and comic books previously, and that it's "Because The Times We're In" and "Everything Needs More Vagina" and all'a that silly nonsense.

I doubt it'll hurt the movie all that much, though. Y'all know me by now, I never get excited for anything until it's in my lap but the trailers did a lot to assuage any trepidation I may have had.

It's a dumb choice and I disagree vehemently with the idea that everything, indeed, does need more vagina. I think that's one of the absolute worst things driving the "creative" forces behind the scenes of the entertainment business at this time, and I have no problem saying so, loudly and often. Women made Boy Bands a "thing". Women made Justin Bieber a bazillionaire. Women ruined Star Wars by turning it into a Grrl Power ship-fic. Women are why the IDW TMNT book has turned into Zootopia fanfic. Women are why She-Ra has to be a flat-chested lesbian. Women are why there's a Hallmark Channel. Women are why Sandra Bullock still had a movie career after 1995.

Point being, although there are quite a few individual outliers who deviate from the established norm... collectively, as a group, women have absolutely AWFUL taste and they generally ruin everything. Again, that's MOST, not All, so don't @ me. :trazz: But yeah, it's because of All That, that I get nervous whenever I see anyone tout "So we got a few more vaginas in there!" as a superb creative choice, because it's not. It's just pandering to people with provably bad taste.

THIS movie seems like it'll still be fine, though. It kinda seems like their kids' characters would be the same if they were sons OR daughters, in this case, so for now I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that the movie as a whole will be fine. If my gut said "Be nervous", I'd be nervous.

But yeah, I agree, flipping their kids "Because 2020" was dumb. They clearly had sons. Eh. Should still be a good movie.

[Vegita-San]

My guess?

Despite statements otherwise, this movie was conceived of in 2016 and shipped around everywhere. They FINALLY caved in, and simply switched the rufus character, the council, and the sons to all female and everything else stayed the same.

that's what I THINK happened. I think he probably truly does hate this SJW nonsense, but is smart enough to know how to play ball in town when his foot is on the fire.

especially if he truly was 'on his last dime trying to get this made'...

[Leo656]

Well I mean, yeah, that's pretty obviously what happened. "We'll finally let you make this movie, but ONLY if there's More Vagina." Despite about 99% of Bill & Ted fans not having one. But obviously studios don't think like that, the only name of the game is "an ass every 8 inches" and that's that. The studio didn't think enough guys would pay to see Bill & Ted 3, otherwise they could have made it at any point after 1994. NOW they see an opportunity to get at least a few more dollars out of it by pandering to a certain type of audience member.

It makes sense. I don't agree with it, but it's very obviously what happened. I don't think it's ANY shock that for 25 years, the movie doesn't get made "Because there's no interest", and then magically "Well what if we flip their SONS to DAUGHTERS?" and all of a sudden it gets fast-tracked. I highly doubt more people care NOW about B&T3 than did ten years ago, I think just about the same number of people care or don't care. The only thing that's changed is that now the studio can use the movie as a vehicle for making the kind of "statement" every movie has to make nowadays with the "Chicks can do whatever Guys do" gimmick. Otherwise, they wouldn't make the movie at all. I don't doubt that one bit.

Do I LIKE that the movie only finally got made because they agreed to gender-flip a few characters? No, I don't like that at all. Do I think it's ultimately gonna hurt very much in the big picture? Eh, no, not really. I'm at a point where if "Little Ted" is actually "Thea" is the only way we can get B&T3, then whatever.

The world needs Bill and Ted. THAT trumps everything else, to me.

[Autbot_Benz]

so far all the early twitter reviews is that its really good and what we need right now in this pandemic world.

Ed Solomon Retweeted
Nick Rodriguez
@nickrod30
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LOVED
@BillandTed3
!! It?s the feel good film we need during these times!
@Winter

@ed_solomon

Danny Gallagher
@thisisdannyg

Just out of my first movie theater experience in six months to see the new Bill & Ted and it was so excellent. It?s nice to be reminded that you don?t have to be cynical all the time in order to be funny.

I missed the movies so much. Hope we al get to go back soon.

Mr. Dark
@MrDarkDFW
Level 1:
Bill & Ted Face The Music is the movie we need right now. It's a love letter to music and how it unites us. See it on VOD, at a drive in, or at a safe theater ASAP. It'll make you happy.

[Leo656]

My wife and I would love to see it in a theater, but I think all of NJ is still in "Sandy Vag" territory so I don't think that's a possibility. Real shame.

Still looking forward to seeing it as soon as possible, though.

[TigerClaw]

The theater I normally go to is still closed. When I check on it in the AMC Theaters app. It just tells me this. "This theater is temporarily closed in accordance with local, state, and federal guidelines. It will re-open when those guidelines allow. Please check back here for updates.

I don't think any theater in Florida is open and the one I go to is the only one that's not far.

[Leo656]

At least it's finally here.

At least 2020 gave us SOMEthing worth celebrating.

Sometimes the small victories are all you have.

[Autbot_Benz]

IGN Review 7.0 Good

GOOD
Bill & Ted Face the Music isn't quite excellent but it's sure not bogus either. Party on, dudes!

https://www.ign.com/articles/2020/08/27/bill-ted-3-face-the-music-review

Collider

?Bill & Ted Face the Music? Review: A Most Triumphant High Note to End the Trilogy

https://collider.com/bill-and-ted-face-the-music-review-keanu-reeves-alex-winter/?amp&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

[TigerClaw]

IGN Review 7.0 Good

GOOD
Bill & Ted Face the Music isn't quite excellent but it's sure not bogus either. Party on, dudes!

https://www.ign.com/articles/2020/08/27/bill-ted-3-face-the-music-review

Collider

?Bill & Ted Face the Music? Review: A Most Triumphant High Note to End the Trilogy

https://collider.com/bill-and-ted-face-the-music-review-keanu-reeves-alex-winter/?amp&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter
Some more reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/bill_and_ted_face_the_music

[CyberCubed]

This is coming to online streaming tomorrow?

[Leo656]

Apparently that's the plan.

Wife and I are planning to do a full-series run tomorrow, watching the first two and then the third. I imagine a ton of folks doing the same.

After over 25 years of waiting I'm glad to give them my money for this.

[Andrew NDB]

It's online right now. Grabbing it, but I suspect it will take a while as everyone else is, too, apparently.

Also, RLM just dropped this, a retrospective on 1 and 2 (sure to be followed by a "Half in the Bag" on part 3):

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[Roseangelo]

Will be watching this tomorrow night after dinner. So excited!

[Andrew NDB]

Will be watching this tomorrow night after dinner. So excited!

I think it's exactly the right movie at exactly the right time, honestly.

Also, I was very pleased that my daughter really enjoyed 1 and 2 a week ago. She was in hysterics at the "Matrix and John Wick guy" could possibly play such a role much younger. And upon ANOTHER viewing of Bogus Journey, I find I'm much more forgiving and appreciative of it than before. There's some good stuff there.

[Leo656]

I think it's exactly the right movie at exactly the right time, honestly.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I've been hearing.

Since I like to at least check the temperature and try to understand people's "Why", I took a look at some of those tepid reviews, and the content of them really illustrates why you can't just read the header blurb and need to actually take in the content of the text. Most of the "bad" reviews say "It's fine, I guess", and most of those "meh" critiques are primarily from one of two positions:

- People who openly didn't think the originals were all that great in the first place, and this always bothers me when this happens with movies. I understand the need for an objective opinion, but every Bill & Ted project was something that only played to a specific audience to begin with, and if you didn't get it then it wasn't for you, simple as that. Like, even back in the day, chicks with Lisa Frank stickers generally weren't watching Bill & Ted movies, or kids listening to Dr. Dre weren't watching Bill & Ted movies, and if you weren't part of the demographic of "suburban youth with dreams of grandeur an obsession with the rock n roll lifestyle" then there was nothing personal to connect with and thus the movies were "just" vapid comedies. If you didn't like the first two, I doubt anyone was expecting this one to change your mind at all. That's true of a LOT of films, which doesn't mean they lack quality in any way insofar as executing their specific mission AS films, it just means that if you're not part of the specific demo you're probably not gonna care at all, or at least care less.

- Seeing too many critics - mostly female, obviously - bemoan the fact that Bille and Thea don't get more to do. Alright, look, I get it, and it's kinda silly to even have the characters in the movie if they don't get to do much. BUT. I kinda heavily doubt that what any B&T fans wanted after a 30-year wait on an impossible dream was to spend the bulk of a very short movie's already compressed running time focusing on the kids of the two main characters.

Let's face it, this is the swan song for Alex and Keanu in the roles that got them famous, at least insofar as being the leads of the series. I'm hearing rumblings that the studio wants to spin the franchise off with their daughters in the lead roles making it the "Billie and Thea Franchise" going forward, and that's obviously no surprise given the current climate and everything combined with the fact that Alex and Keanu are pretty much aged out of the roles. But given that this is undoubtedly the very last proper "Bill & Ted" movie, even one second of time that's not centered on THEM is frankly a wasted one. NOBODY signed up to watch this thing because of their goddamn kids, let's just be 100% real about that. I'm hearing that they shine in their limited roles, and that's GREAT, but c'mon... nobody "bought a ticket" because they were curious what Bill & Ted's KIDS would do in this movie, they ONLY care about seeing Bill & Ted do their thing One Last Time, that's the movie's ENTIRE raison d'etre. So saying "The movie suffers from not giving the daughters enough to do" might be valid but it's also bad criticism because it's ultimately irrelevant to the larger conversation.

Also, I have HUGE doubts that they'll be able to successfully spin this off into a franchise about their daughters, because as the reviews illustrate: 1. Most chicks simply don't "get" Bill & Ted to begin with, and 2. The ones who DO like the series aren't the ones who typically get jobs critiquing movies, so such an exercise would undoubtedly fail, for the same reason stuff like "Charlies Angels" and "MIB4" failed: chicks don't like those kids of movies to begin with, or at least not enough do to carry a franchise.

I will say, though, that the chicks who DO like Bill & Ted, in my experience, also have impeccable taste in just about everything. :tgrin: Like you know she's a hip lady when she's got the Bogus Journey soundtrack on CD. That's marriage material.

So yeah, we'll see. I kinda think this is "It" for the franchise, personally, and I'm ultimately okay with that. Although if someone wants to do a Telltale-style video game with them someday a'la "Back the the Future", sign me up on Day One. :lol: But yeah, I doubt the "Billie & Thea" spin-off ever happens. We'll see.

Anyways, I kinda feel like any outlet that reviews films such as this that are inarguably and unashamedly aimed at a "niche" audience, should do it like video game magazines used to and have two reviewers, one who's a "fan" of the franchise and another who's not, so you get a more well-rounded perspective; like "How does this work just as a movie?" and "How likely are FANS to enjoy it?". Like it would be NICE if B&T 3 were a "great" film but I don't think anyone was expecting Citizen Kane. Rather, it sounds like a perfect (or as close to it as possible given the circumstances) conclusion of a very specific of story. But someone might potentially be turned off by skimming reviews by people who aren't fans and are thus grading it "just" as a movie without any of the personal context and connection that any Bill & Ted fan would have for the material. And that would be a shame.

Anyways, not sure what time I'll end up watching it since we plan to run all three in a row, but I'm very much looking forward to it. I've seen enough already to feel like it's more or less exactly what I was hoping for.

STATION! :tgrin:

[Andrew NDB]

Dumb critics. They're lucky the daughters were even female at all, as like 99.9% of all of us Bill & Ted fans have been assuming for 30 years they were sons this whole time.

I doubt there's any set in stone plans or even hopes for spinning off the daughters into stuff. But they COULD.

[Leo656]

Dumb critics. They're lucky the daughters were even female at all, as like 99.9% of all of us Bill & Ted fans have been assuming for 30 years they were sons this whole time.

I doubt there's any set in stone plans or even hopes for spinning off the daughters into stuff. But they COULD.


I think it's only so far as they do with anything. "If we CAN try and get a little more milk outta this thing... how would that work...?"

I mean to NOT do that is kinda foolish, I guess. And yeah, it's 2020, taking "guys' things" and making them female-centric is the hot gimmick. It doesn't WORK and it never has, but that doesn't mean they're gonna stop trying. So yeah, I get it.

It really depends on who you listen to. It's fascinating to me that in all the reviews I've read, it's pretty much 50/50. Half the critics say, "Obviously they're leaving it open to do a spin-off" and the rest say "They're definitely not leaving that door open and it's refreshing." So it's interesting to me that so many people can kind of see what it is that they're looking or maybe hoping to see, and that it's pretty much 50/50 either way.

I think they'll announce "plans" to develop one and then it'll just very quietly go away due to a collective lack of interest. Like that Dafne Keene "X-23" solo movie we were absolutely positively definitely getting after she stole the show in "Logan". Remember that? That was a "sure thing" and now nobody even remembers that was a discussion. :lol: Same thing will happen here, I'd put money down.
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As for their kids, I have the entire Marvel comics run of Bill & Ted and they're clearly sons. Don't tell me that Evan Dorkin masterpiece ain't canon! :lol:

Honestly, I don't really care THAT much. It honestly sounds like the story would be the EXACT same story either way. But that's just what makes it more irritating, that it was a choice made for sociopolitical reasons rather than story-driven ones. Again, the writers SAY that "the story just wasn't working" when they were written as their sons, but every single review makes it sound like it would be the exact same story and their sex/gender is irrelevant anyway because they barely have anything to do.

So like, the writers lie publicly and say "Well, the story just wasn't working when they had sons, but once we switched it, it all came together!" No, that's a lie. What happened was, you couldn't get a bankroll on the project, and some executive said "Give them daughters because it's 2020 and THEN you get to make your little movie," and the guys were all so sick of spinning their wheels that they took the deal just to get the movie made. It's obvious.

Like I said, doesn't sound like a deal-breaker, it's just a minor irritation. I'm more mad at WHY they made the decision than I am at the decision itself. Sounds like they do fine in the parts they're given.

[ZariusTwo]

I'm watching it now. I checked the run time and it's incredibly short, just an hour and thirty minutes.

[Andrew NDB]

Movie was good. Very, very abrupt ending, though. Very jarring. I wanted about 3-5 more minutes. It literally just stops, and not in an organic place to do so. BAM! That's it.

I can't fathom the blowback to the daughters not being in it enough or doing enough. They were solely responsible for assembling the band that saves the day... complete with Bill and Ted acknowledging at the end that they were never going to write the song that would unite the world, it was their daughters. Ugh. What more do you want?

[ZariusTwo]

Agreed

I mean, they try to spin it at the end as "it wasn't us or our dads, but the WORLD uniting that saved reality", but it was totally another "wahmen save the day" flick like everyone predicted.

I wanted more of Jesus, his cameos only lasted seconds, but it was the best running gag in the film

I also wanted Bill and Ted to keel over and die at the end of the post-credits after their last performance

[Leo656]

Movie was good. Very, very abrupt ending, though. Very jarring. I wanted about 3-5 more minutes. It literally just stops, and not in an organic place to do so. BAM! That's it.

I can't fathom the blowback to the daughters not being in it enough or doing enough. They were solely responsible for assembling the band that saves the day... complete with Bill and Ted acknowledging at the end that they were never going to write the song that would unite the world, it was their daughters. Ugh. What more do you want?

C'mon. You know what "They" would have wanted. :lol:

I mean, some of them SAY they'd have preferred that Bill, Ted, Billie and Thea basically spend the entire movie joined at the hip but I think that would've been DUMB, and only served to further diminish the stars of the show while giving the "Next Gen'ers" their shine.

Like, they go from saying "Well, the characters are thin, they're basically just like their Dads", and in the same breath, "I wish the entire movie was the four of them playing off of each other." Eh, nah. I can see that getting REAL old real fast. I think based on what I've read that splitting the two plots was the right thing to do.

The ending as you've described it already sounds like a bit of an eye-roll, but I'll try to keep my expectations in check. :trazz: Again, it's obvious that pandering to a certain demographic was part of the only way the movie would ever get made nowadays, and that's irritating, but I'm gonna try not to dwell on it too much.

It sounds like it could've used more time, though. I get that for comedies especially, 90 minutes or so is the "sweet spot" but Endings usually require more time to breathe. For something people have been waiting for this long, it feels like they sort of just rushed it out.

My wife was livid when she heard it was that short. We both kinda prefer longer movies anyway, but she's convinced that there's no way to wrap up the entire "saga" in any completely satisfying way within that running time. To me, it sounds like they managed, but if they'd gone a full two hours you'd never hear me complain.

[Leo656]

Agreed

I mean, they try to spin it at the end as "it wasn't us or our dads, but the WORLD uniting that saved reality", but it was totally another "wahmen save the day" flick like everyone predicted.


Well that is indeed disappointing. :ohwell:

I'm sure it's very good anyway. But god DAMN it, can we just leave that sh*t OFF the table from now on, please? :roll: Like, I'd like to be wrong about this kinda sh*t even ONCE, y'know?

[ZariusTwo]

Well that is indeed disappointing. :ohwell:

I'm sure it's very good anyway. But god DAMN it, can we just leave that sh*t OFF the table from now on, please? :roll: Like, I'd like to be wrong about this kinda sh*t even ONCE, y'know?

If it helps

The daughters idolise Bill and Ted throughout, and even the Babes, while disillusioned with their marriages, aren't exactly all that catty to Bill and Ted either. Everyone gets along quite well, and it's still a feel good movie, the majority of the movie does focus on Bill and Ted, with the daughters side-quest just an occasional rerun of the first movie, it just has that typical woke hollywood ending, and then it all suddenly stops at that point

The movie feels unpolished in some areas...like not a lot was even spent on it. Perhaps if Covid wasn't a factor, there would have been further reshoots and some extra post-credits treats.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah. It just needed one last month of production for that ending. It just hits you like a mallet. That can't have been the intention.

Closest thing I can liken it to is the end of "Maximum Overdrive." Where it just sort of stops and there is some titles that tell you the planet nuked an alien saucer in orbit (we don't see it, titles only). Except... if we didn't get those titles, even.

[Leo656]

Oh no, for sure, Zar, I've seen/read all of that and it sounds just fine. I can say based on the sounds of it that I don't have a problem with the way the execution went.

It's just... so OBVIOUS that there was an agenda in play and it'd be nice if something like goddamn BILL & FREAKING TED could be left alone without there needing to be some shoehorned gender-politic nonsense crammed in.

"We struggled with the script for 25 years and we couldn't make it work... UNTIL we changed their Sons into Daughters and NOW it's exactly what it needs to be!" :roll: Even though it really sounds like it'd be 100% the exact same story regardless.

Like, you wanna lie to me AND jerk me off in the same breath? I'd at least respect these people and their questionable decisions if they were being honest.

I heard that it had a very small budget and shot in 37 days, so my expectations on that end are already in check. It's not like they spent a fortune on the originals either. :lol: But yeah, I've seen a lot of people say it feels "crammed".

[Andrew NDB]

I wouldn't say crammed. You kind of need to see 1 and 2 to get maximum enjoyment... but I was surprised how much they paid equal parts tribute to both movies at all times.

Just... eh, that ending. Why? That's not even one.

[Leo656]

I saw one critic say that the time travel makes a lot more sense than the time travel in "Endgame" and I confess that made me smile. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

The time travel is fine. If disjointed. At least the time travel rules of the first movie were mostly honored (they weren't in part 2).

[Leo656]

Ehhhhh kinda. They still used the "If we SAY this thing is gonna happen then it happens by default" gimmick from the first one in Bogus Journey. That much was consistent... despite not really making a whole lot of sense in either case. :lol:

I'unno I kinda don't think anyone should try and look too deep for the "hard science" in these. Like Winter said recently, "I'm just glad nobody ever picked up on the fact that Station isn't speaking proper colloquial Martian." :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Eh. OK. You'll like that "Station!" gets a reference in this. Even though nobody has any idea what that means.

[Leo656]

HAH! Really? That's neat.

And did they ever? I'd assumed that was the joke. :lol:

Even the writers recently were like "No, that's not even his name, Bill & Ted are just kinda thick." :lol:

The entire thing sprung from a typo. Amazing.

[Coola Yagami]

Gonna rent it this weekend and watch it with my bro, so if I vanish it's cause I'm avoiding all spoilers til Sunday.

One thing came to mind though while I had to explain to a newb who Bill and Ted were, this whole plot with the future sucking.... Bogus Journey starts out with the future already being perfect and such which is what cause DeNomolos to send the evil robots to kill our heroes. I guess that musta started a ripple effect or something? Cause like Rufus said 'time has told'. The future already was perfect.

Idk, either way I'm excited to see this movie. I'm out til Sunday. Cya.

[Autbot_Benz]

This movie was great a Most excellent ending to the Bill and Ted Series. Party on Bill and Ted.

Also certified fresh on Rotten Tomatoes at 82%

Critics Consensus
As wholesomely goofy as its heroes, Bill and Ted Face the Music is a rare long-belated sequel that largely recaptures the franchise's original charm.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/bill_and_ted_face_the_music

[Vegita-San]

I am pleased to say that Bill and Tedd only feels like it could be woke, because they gender swapped the sons for no reason other than to play the hollywood woke game. And I'm 99% sure that is what happened, because if you make them guys, the story is exactly the same.

A pretty decent follow up. not as good as the first two, but decent.

[Andrew NDB]

One thing occurred to me that I'm fuzzy on...

... when that robot killed everybody (including Bill and Ted's daughters), why did everybody end up in Hell right away? In Bogus Journey they only ended up in Hell because they had the misfortune of going to a seance as ghosts and the people there banished them to Hell.

[Leo656]

There's a way I could explain that that makes sense in my head, but it's probably more complicated than any actual reason behind it. :lol:

Great movie, could've used more space to breathe but it's a fitting conclusion well worth the wait.

[Autbot_Benz]

I just love the beginning of the movie that's basically VH1's Behind the Music the rise and fall of Wyld Stallions.

Also Missy I mean Mom hooking up with Ted's younger brother Deacon I didn't see that one in coming :lol:

[Leo656]

I'm at the point where I'm wondering who in the series Missy hasn't f*cked by now. :lol:

[Autbot_Benz]

I'm at the point where I'm wondering who in the series Missy hasn't f*cked by now. :lol:

I know right she has gotten around

[Roseangelo]

I very much enjoyed it, although I'll agree the ending was a bit abrupt. I am really glad that this movie exists, especially this year, and especially as I found out the news about Chadwick Boseman shortly before sitting down to watch it. It was the positivity I really needed.

[Andrew NDB]

One thing occurred to me that I'm fuzzy on...

... when that robot killed everybody (including Bill and Ted's daughters), why did everybody end up in Hell right away? In Bogus Journey they only ended up in Hell because they had the misfortune of going to a seance as ghosts and the people there banished them to Hell.

There's a way I could explain that that makes sense in my head, but it's probably more complicated than any actual reason behind it. :lol:

Ah...

On more thought, I guess Bill and Ted going there immediately makes sense -- they committed suicide with the robot. But what did the daughters do, or anybody else in that lineup? I could buy maybe the daughters were atheists or something... but you're telling me Louis Armstrong, Mozart, all of those guys were atheists and/or terrible people, too?

I just love the beginning of the movie that's basically VH1's Behind the Music the rise and fall of Wyld Stallions.

It worked well. I was kind of hoping the ending would have a similar sort of sequence... that might have helped.

Also Missy I mean Mom hooking up with Ted's younger brother Deacon I didn't see that one in coming :lol:

What I didn't see coming was that Missy would even be in the movie at all! So that was a fun surprise.

[Leo656]

To the Spoiler'ed question: For the sake of simplicity and not over-thinking something that clearly wasn't designed to be over-thought, in my head I'm gonna say that it was one part "All of Existence/Reality is flexible" combined with a giant scoop of "Destiny" working together to align all of the principle players so that they'd meet up at the right place at the right time. "Because they had to."

In Real Life it's obviously that they didn't have the money nor time to do more set pieces, and no, it doesn't really make much objective sense. So I'm just gonna say that "Existence" was working overtime in a last-ditch effort to save itself by putting everyone exactly where they needed to be.

I mean for all we know God did it. For exactly that reason. :lol: But yeah, I'unno. It doesn't make much sense but I choose to just roll with that one.
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Not only was Missy in it, but they were able to get the same actor, which was great. Given how Deacon. Joanna and Elizabeth were all recast I was pleasantly surprised by who was able to return.

[Autbot_Benz]

love that Captain Logan was still Captain Buzzkill until the end of the movie. I am surprised he didn't try to send Ted to Alaskan Military School again. I just wish Death had been in the movie more. I love death.


Can't wait to get this on blu ray later in the year.

[Leo656]

I truly would have loved more Death as well but once again he threatens to steal the show with as much as he is there.

The resolution with Ted and his father was nice as well. For what it was. "I wasn't talking to you." :lol: That was perfect.

[Autbot_Benz]

Hold on to your Butt's here is the lengthy reason from Ed Solomon on why the kids went from sons to daughters


"Id like to pretend they were always girls. They weren't always girls. We assumed, because we were adolescent boys when we wrote Excellent Adventure (and we were barely post-adolescent boys when we wrote Bogus Journey), of course, we assumed they were going to be boys. They happened to be played by girls, interestingly. Candace and Lauren Mead played those characters. But regardless, look, we were immature adolescent males. And so we wrote an immature adolescent male fantasy. Thirty years pass. Life changes. The world changes. We change, we grow up, we get married, we have children, we have sons, we have daughters. And of course, our culture evolves, as it should.

But we still, in 2009 and 2010, we thought, Let's write them as boys. Because that's what we figured! Young Will and Theo. And I cannot tell you how boring they work. Oh God, derivative. Stale. We tried to give them like Bill and Ted type voices. Just unbelievably like rehashed crap. We hated it. We tried to make them into cool guys. That was stupid. And then when we finally had the idea a few years later, Wait, why are we beating our heads against the wall with this? What if they had daughters? What if it?s Billie and Thea?? It just opened it up completely. So that's a much better idea. And it helped us with something we were trying and to do anyway with the movie, which is -- the first two movies, they are male-centric. They were written by boys who knew no better. And so this also gave us a chance to go, Lets just widen it, man. Let's like, let there be more of a female presence and just make it more inclusive.?"

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2553220/yes-bill-and-ted-face-the-music-changes-an-important-reveal-from-bogus-journey

[drgon78]

I saw it earlier today, enjoyed it, though I do wish Death was in the movie more.

[Leo656]

Benz: I've been reading that blurb all week, it's such blatant nonsense. I wish they'd just stop discussing it because it's a really good movie and I don't wanna be mad at them for things that weren't entirely their fault. But the more they talk about it the more I roll my eyes because it simply isn't true.

Certain things about this movie were absolutely mandated by the studio to fit in with what's "important" about our current times. Some are subtle, some less so, but there are a few things to take notice of. I'll Spoiler them for the benefit of anyone who's trying to go in "cold". But certain things, you can't help but notice. Such as....

- Bill & Ted, the prophesized "Chosen Ones", actually aren't. It was their daughters, who've never even been SPOKEN of in-canon until this movie. Bill & Ted exist merely to donate sperm and then 25 years later play guitar as back-up while their daughters do all the real work.

The movie tries to handwave this when Great Leader says that the prophecy was "open to interpretation" or whatever but it still absolutely feels like a retcon/cheat. The newest Terminator movie did the same "You can't be the Chosen one if you have a penis, only women can save the world" gimmick. This coming so soon after makes it jump out even more.

- Except for Bill, Ted, & Mozart, the "Epic Band" whose music ends up saving reality (which, I'll remind you, Bill & Ted are merely supporting players for, now) is all chicks and black guys. Mozart is the Token White Guy and B&T are basically only there because their names are in the title. Otherwise, they're no more or less important than anyone else. It's kind of conspicuous. No Eddie Van Halen? That would've fit perfectly as a nice callback to the first movie... but Eddie's a White Guy, so he's verboten. Kieth Moon, Jimmy Page, those guys would've been fine additions, but... ah well. We know why these things happen, and it's not like they had a bad selection. But... some cavewoman "who happens to be black" instead of Kieth Moon on drums? C'mon. COME ON. Sh*t, they could've probably gotten Travis Barker to cameo as himself for cheap. Bet they didn't even think of that. And We Know Why.

- The Council of Wisdom or whatever in the future, formerly two guys and a chick, is now six people, five women and one guy. And the guy is alllllll the way on the far right of the screen when they show up, barely visible, and he's never in focus even once as I recall. He's even "placed" slightly lower in the wide shots so that ALL of the women on the council appear taller or at least more prominent than he does.

- Once more, Bille and Thea really do all the actual work for the duration. EVERYTHING that happens in the end comes from their actions alone. Bill & Ted do nothing but make things worse for the ENTIRE movie with every single thing they do, and the only "good idea" they have is at the end when they go, "Oh, wait... better let our daughters handle it. We're not good enough." Their kids even have to be the ones to talk Death into rejoining the band.



You get the point.

Make no mistake, it IS a very good movie and a very worthy successor to the first two, and as far as the overall execution goes I don't have any real problem with it. But these things don't ALL happen at once by accident. And I wish that at least something like goddamn Bill & Ted could be free of "The Checklist"

In a less-skilled set of hands the things I pointed out COULD have tanked the entire thing, and I'm really glad it didn't.

But these guys are lying. They're saying "It just worked better this way, the script was bad otherwise" and NO, that's a lie. "The studio said we had to fill a quota or else they wouldn't give us the money to make the movie. And we knew we'd never get another chance so we made these concessions because we knew how important it was simply to get the movie made."

THAT's the truth. Just tell the truth. I can respect that. I don't respect lies, even when I know they're only lying because they "have" to. It's just... don't talk to me like I'm stupid, y'know?