Kamala Khan Bound For The MCU According to Fiege

[ZariusTwo]

Plans are in motion for the inclusion of Muslim Ms. Marvel Kamala Khan at some point in the MCU's future

https://twitter.com/StaarksHeart/status/995108155976757248

[Ninjinister]

Yayyyyy!

Honestly I think a TV series would be best (Hulu/Netflix?) because she's like... really more of a kid/teen oriented character. Honestly maybe she can be on New Warriors?

[Allio]

I wouldn't mind. I haven't read much recent work, but her being a cute kid fangirling would be different. Then she is also pretty different in terms of powers and design from Mar-Vell and Carol Marvel

[plastroncafe]

I'm so very behind on all my comic reading, but I'm super stoked to see her get some screen time.

[Candy Kappa]

I adore Kamala, really hope she gets some proper MCU treatment

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I know one thing about this character: she's Muslim.

No idea if she's any good or not, but I'm not surprised Feige is interested in expanding the cinematic ranks with her. Should be interesting.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Ugh. Great, so they're going to give their most badly stereotyped character her own movie? I predict crash and burn on this one. I read the first volume of her comic- and that was MORE than enough. She is probably the WORST MU character I've ever seen. Not because of being Muslim, but vecause she was written so poorly as one. A walking racial/ethnic/religious stereotype if ever ther was one. So is just about everyone else in that book. After reading Vol.1, I was utterly disgusted by how they took Carol out of the Ms. Marvel role, and replaced her with- THAT. Even Miles was more interesting and original. And less annoying.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I know one thing about this character: she's Muslim.

No idea if she's any good or not, but I'm not surprised Feige is interested in expanding the cinematic ranks with her. Should be interesting.


Trust me, you're not missing anything there.....

[sdp]

Wait, so they haven't even released the Ms. Marvel movie with carol danvers and they're already basically replacing her? That's an odd move. The only satisfying way to get rid of Carol would be that Rogue steals her powers now that X-Men will be part of the MCU.

While this new character does seem to be inspired by the SJW wave at Marvel Comics, is it really that bad? I mean I'm no fan of making the characters have religion but Nightcrawler is catholic and that gives him somewhat of an interesting trait that sets him apart besides his demon look.

[TurtleTitan97]

Wait, so they haven't even released the Ms. Marvel movie with carol danvers and they're already basically replacing her?

Carol hasn't gone by the Ms. Marvel moniker since 2012. Kamala has held the title for the past 4 years.

[sdp]

Ah, yes, this is the reason DC's Captain Marvel goes by Shazam! now right? They somehow lost the license and they made Miss Marvel into Captain Marvel proper.

So this is going to be a movie about a sidekick then? :lol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

No, Carol is getting a movie as CAPTAIN Marvel, another persona she has used. But I see this as just going to confuse people who don't know the characters.

Also, it's not her religion as such, but how cliched it's portrayed. Just really obvious that they were trying to push that angle as her main defining trait, but as something she secretly rebels against, with a very strict traditional Muslim family, and all the ridiculous individual stereotype Muslim character types that implies. Stern and strict father concerned with family image/honor, subserviant mother, etc....

Nightcrawler and Shadowcat (who is Jewish, btw) are both religious, but it is not the main/sole focus of their personalities. With Kamala, it basically IS. Fangirling over the Avengers aside....

[plastroncafe]

That's not how I read her family at all, but then...I came from a pretty generic Italian American family with the exact same sterotypes...so maybe that's why.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I just found them all glaringly obvious and annoying. Could not find anything in it to like. Like the writer (who is supposedly one herself) just threw in every stereotype imaginable for the characters pedsonalities. Not to mention her powers and how she got them made little sense. Terrigen Mists don't affect normal humans that way, and I SERIOUSLY doubt she had any Inhuman blood..... I found the whole thing stupid, pandering, and unlikeable.

[raph27]

Finally! Called this one years ago. I'm surprised it took this long, she's one of the most popular characters who were recently introduced.

(One of the others being Spider-Gwen, but frankly that would just be too confusing to put in the MCU right now.)

[ProactiveMan]

Are any of the Avengers Scientologists?

[ZariusTwo]

Finally! Called this one years ago. I'm surprised it took this long, she's one of the most popular characters who were recently introduced.

(One of the others being Spider-Gwen

Spider-Gwen's comic sells terribly.

[Coola Yagami]

That's not how I read her family at all, but then...I came from a pretty generic Italian American family with the exact same sterotypes...so maybe that's why.

That's basically my family too.

Idk, at least moviewise XMen 2, Nightcrawler's entire personality was his religion.

[plastroncafe]

I just found them all glaringly obvious and annoying. Could not find anything in it to like. Like the writer (who is supposedly one herself) just threw in every stereotype imaginable for the characters pedsonalities. Not to mention her powers and how she got them made little sense. Terrigen Mists don't affect normal humans that way, and I SERIOUSLY doubt she had any Inhuman blood..... I found the whole thing stupid, pandering, and unlikeable.

Everyone's mileage varies, but G. Willow Wilson is Muslim, and Kamala is an Inhuman.
My ability to read comics ebbs and flows with the academic calendar, but I do wonder if Dust had a similar reception.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Everyone's mileage varies, but G. Willow Wilson is Muslim, and Kamala is an Inhuman.
My ability to read comics ebbs and flows with the academic calendar, but I do wonder if Dust had a similar reception.


See, from the past history of the Inhumans, they consider themselves "superior" to normal humans (even mentioned in Medusa's first appearance in Amazing Spider-Man) and have always kept to themselves for the most part (to the point of avoiding humans entirely). Add to that their rigid caste system and the fact they live on the moon, and Kamala being one of them (or even descended from one) is all but impossible. I found her entire origin story (ie, how she suddenly "became/discovered" being one) utterly implausible at best. There is nothing in her family to indicate any past relationship to the Inhumans, and the Inhumans had not even VISITED Earth in several millenia prior to the reign of their current royal family, so exactly HOW could she be one in the first place??!! She MIGHT have a DROP of inhuman blood/DNA AT BEST- but still not enough to affect her.

[plastroncafe]

Because fiction?
Because Fox owns the rights to the X-Men?

I like the book. It's light, fluffy, and entertaining. I find I'm the most entertained by Marvel books when they fall into one of two groups:

Slice of Life (Ms Marvel, Fraction's Run on Hawkeye)
or
Gratuitous Violence (Uncanny X-Force, Uncanny X-Force: Sex and Violence.)

It sounds to me like you have a different relationship with the comics.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I'm big on continuity, and I HATE nonsensical retcons, as well as changing/adding characters "because reasons". I read the first volume, and found so many ridiculous details that not only made no sense in-universe, but were literal contradictions of the entire Inhumans concept/history. Not to mention the stereotypes I discussed earlier. It just struck me as very lazy/uninspired writing, using an origin of powers that clearly was not researched AT ALL. Even a brief glance through the entries for various Inhumans in the Marvel Encyclopedia or even the Marvel website's Marvel Universe entries would have shown how utterly impossible it would be to suddenly have dozens (or even hundreds- Kamala apparently wasn't the only one) of Inhumans "mature" to power on Earth when they have previously made a point of avoiding contact. In other words, it flew against the entire history of their race as a means of introducing new characters. Because diversity, apparently. It came off as cheap, pandering, and lame.

[plastroncafe]

And yet entirely in line with the new MCU continuity.
I dunno, if I want continuity I don't go looking towards either of the Big Two.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Well, not since 2007/8, no. Main reason I have not regularly read any Marvel books since then. That was about the time they started really turning to shite just for diversity and events. Not their best decision, IMHO. Then again, I'm still P-O'ed at Joephisto for killing the Spider-marriage. THAT was the beginning of the end, I think.

[ZariusTwo]

Well, not since 2007/8, no. Main reason I have not regularly read any Marvel books since then. That was about the time they started really turning to shite just for diversity and events. Not their best decision, IMHO. Then again, I'm still P-O'ed at Joephisto for killing the Spider-marriage. THAT was the beginning of the end, I think.

Losing the reality where the marriage mattered is largely why I can't accept or enjoy much of anything Marvel does anymore...because what's the point? If all of reality can be changed and 20 years worth of continuity for one character can be changed, how are we able to trust anything that's going on in the current reality? How do we know everything going on is entirely up to the will of the characters? What if it's all been corrupted by devil magic?

At least with DC, they're actually explaining the s*it with the N52 by saying "yeah, it was Doctor Manhattan being a d*ck", Marvel will never have anyone realize what's going on right now is down to some dopey bargain Peter made with Mephisto

What makes it weird about Quesada is he's perfectly fine with letting the Spider-Marriage be everywhere else except the mainline universe..they kept it alive in the newspaper strip and brought it back in 2015 with the Renew Your Vows title (though that could be cancelled soon)

[BartAllen]

No, Carol is getting a movie as CAPTAIN Marvel, another persona she has used. But I see this as just going to confuse people who don't know the characters.

Also, it's not her religion as such, but how cliched it's portrayed. Just really obvious that they were trying to push that angle as her main defining trait, but as something she secretly rebels against, with a very strict traditional Muslim family, and all the ridiculous individual stereotype Muslim character types that implies. Stern and strict father concerned with family image/honor, subserviant mother, etc....

Nightcrawler and Shadowcat (who is Jewish, btw) are both religious, but it is not the main/sole focus of their personalities. With Kamala, it basically IS. Fangirling over the Avengers aside....
Thank you. It's refreshing to see other people getting it.
There was a character that is muslim in the comics a few years before Kamala, she was cool in her own right and wasn't defined by just being a muslim.

Kamala is a one-note. She's boring as the day is long.

[Coola Yagami]

Thank you. It's refreshing to see other people getting it.
There was a character that is muslim in the comics a few years before Kamala, she was cool in her own right and wasn't defined by just being a muslim.

Kamala is a one-note. She's boring as the day is long.

Like I said, Nightcrawler in Xmen 2 was one note, religion this, scripture that, god, sins, faith, etc. Noone complained then and everybody loved him. His religion was pretty much the only character he had.

It all depends on how the movie handles her. If they can get me to care about iron Man, Ant Man and the guardians of the galaxy, I'm pretty sure they can get me to like Kamala.

[Candy Kappa]

If Pietro and Crystal can have a kid, then humans can have Inhuman ancestors. Except for Lockjaw, Kamala is the best thing coming out of Inhumans which is a pretty "meh" group of characters.

[plastroncafe]

Thank you. It's refreshing to see other people getting it.
There was a character that is muslim in the comics a few years before Kamala, she was cool in her own right and wasn't defined by just being a muslim.

Kamala is a one-note. She's boring as the day is long.

This isn't a matter of my not getting it. I get it. I just don't agree with it.

I don't find Kamala to be defined by her religion or her culture, though both of those things do influence her. I see her stories as more coming of age, and an exploration of the immigrant experience.

The push and pull between where you came from and where you're going.
And how one fits in with regards to the diaspora vs the dominant culture.
I enjoy media with these themes. Movies like "The Big Sick" and tv shows like "Fresh Off The Boat" and "Blackish."

They're not for everyone.

Also, as a pretty staunch atheist/recovering Catholic, I find it refreshing to see people of faith represented as something other than wing-nuts.
Regardless of their denomination.
Nightcrawler is a VERY devout character, but...when written poorly that faith is either ignored or becomes the only aspect of him that we see.
If Kitty Pryde wasn't routinely drawn wearing a Star of David, would people know she was Jewish?

[BartAllen]

This isn't a matter of my not getting it. I get it. I just don't agree with it.

I don't find Kamala to be defined by her religion or her culture, though both of those things do influence her. I see her stories as more coming of age, and an exploration of the immigrant experience.

The push and pull between where you came from and where you're going.
And how one fits in with regards to the diaspora vs the dominant culture.
I enjoy media with these themes. Movies like "The Big Sick" and tv shows like "Fresh Off The Boat" and "Blackish."

They're not for everyone.

Also, as a pretty staunch atheist/recovering Catholic, I find it refreshing to see people of faith represented as something other than wing-nuts.
Regardless of their denomination.
Nightcrawler is a VERY devout character, but...when written poorly that faith is either ignored or becomes the only aspect of him that we see.
If Kitty Pryde wasn't routinely drawn wearing a Star of David, would people know she was Jewish?

I just remember that during her initial appearance it was almost always touted that she was a muslim. No one got that treatment when they were first released. This felt like a pandering stunt of tokenism.

Mind you, I have no problem with Muslim characters, I want a diverse and eclectic cast of characters. I just think Kamala (at least initially) was defined by the fact that she's a MUSLIM character. I will say that she's grown a bit since her early appearances, and she has become somewhat more tolerable, but just barely.

[plastroncafe]

News outlets like being around firsts when they happen, and it's my understanding that she was the first Muslim character at Marvel to have her own self titled book.

That's probably not a big thing for everyone, but it's a big thing for some.

In no way am I saying that this is a book for everyone, or that it should be universally adored. Just because it's not someone's cup of tea that doesn't mean it's a bad book.

[BartAllen]

News outlets like being around firsts when they happen, and it's my understanding that she was the first Muslim character at Marvel to have her own self titled book.

That's probably not a big thing for everyone, but it's a big thing for some.

In no way am I saying that this is a book for everyone, or that it should be universally adored. Just because it's not someone's cup of tea that doesn't mean it's a bad book.

That's fair. I'm absolutely willing to admit that my dislike of the character and the book is subjective. It is. I'm not, nor have I ever been a fan of her. Maybe with a writer I like she'd grow on me, but she hasn't yet.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Same here. I simply didn't like what was there, and have not seen any reason to read further. Considering that her creator/writer seemed mainly to be pushing those aspects of the cast (not just Kamala herself, but even the supporting characters like her friends all seemed built around specific stereotypes) it just really felt forced and pandering.

[ZariusTwo]

Kamala has been cast, and it's an unknown, Iman Vellani

https://deadline.com/2020/09/iman-vellani-marvels-ms-marvel-series-disney-plus-1234587969/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Kamala has been cast, and it's an unknown, Iman Vellani

https://deadline.com/2020/09/iman-vellani-marvels-ms-marvel-series-disney-plus-1234587969/

Can't say I care, but I hope it does well for the newcomer. All the best.

[ZariusTwo]

Meantime, Marvel have cancelled Kamala's comic again.

https://www.gamesradar.com/magnificent-ms-marvel-canceled-in-january-but-kamala-likely-in-marvels-2021-plans/

[Andrew NDB]

Meantime, Marvel have cancelled Kamala's comic again.

https://www.gamesradar.com/magnificent-ms-marvel-canceled-in-january-but-kamala-likely-in-marvels-2021-plans/

There's always next time. :lol:

[neatoman]

Meantime, Marvel have cancelled Kamala's comic again.

https://www.gamesradar.com/magnificent-ms-marvel-canceled-in-january-but-kamala-likely-in-marvels-2021-plans/

To be fair though, the book has only really been cancelled once before, the last time was just a renumbering. 56 consecutive issues isn't really bad, even if the last 18 had a different numbering.

Though I don't quite get why they don't put the character on the shelf for a while if they canned her book.

[Sumac]

Though I don't quite get why they don't put the character on the shelf for a while if they canned her book.
But diversity!

[ZariusTwo]

First pics from the set

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1329534983623614466

Her Danvers fanboyism is showing, just like her comic counterpart.

[Sumac]

Her face looks quite fat in this mask.

[ZariusTwo]

https://imgur.com/54UCcEw.jpg

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yeesh. Yeah, not liking this look. She looks more like a cosplayer than a real hero. And the mask is just so "Dick Grayson/Robin" bad. Like who would actually be fooled by it? Her identity is SUPPOSED to be SECRET. Le sigh.....

[Sumac]

Yeesh. Yeah, not liking this look. She looks more like a cosplayer than a real hero. And the mask is just so "Dick Grayson/Robin" bad. Like who would actually be fooled by it? Her identity is SUPPOSED to be SECRET. Le sigh.....
How dare YOU...?
She is widescreen! Are you racist xenophobe ableist nazi and wishes death upon all widescreen people of unspecified gender? :x

[Galactus]

Honestly I was thinking the opposite. Remember Kamala is a fangirl that gains powers and gets to emulate her favourite hero. If anything her costume is supposed to be cosplay-esque but that looks a bit too slick. I'm sure it'll be fine though.

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like crap.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

How dare YOU...?
She is widescreen! Are you racist xenophobe ableist nazi and wishes death upon all widescreen people of unspecified gender? :x


Um, I literally said NOTHING about her size, OR gender, or ANY of that BS?? It was the COSTUME that looked like crap! It literally looks like something homemade by a cosplayer! STFU!

[IMJ]

Looks like crap.

It's not for you.....

Um, I literally said NOTHING about her size, OR gender, or ANY of that BS?? It was the COSTUME that looked like crap! It literally looks like something homemade by a cosplayer! STFU!

It doesn't matter. You aren't being an ally and your isms are showing by lack of support. It's clear that you are an istaphobe by any metric and that your cleverly veiled hatred of muslims is showing here from your commentary.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

It's not for you.....

It doesn't matter. You aren't being an ally and your isms are showing by lack of support. It's clear that you are an istaphobe by any metric and that your cleverly veiled hatred of muslims is showing here from your commentary.


WTF??! Have I EVER said or signifying in ANY way that I hate Muslims, or ANY people of Middle Eastern or other ethnicities? No, I have NOT. In fact, I would DEFEND them, against the racist, phobic crap people like you and others spew. I simply dislike the character (I've actually READ some of her comics, and they were horrible) because she is a completely one dimensional stereotype. Most EVERYONE in her comic series is, to be more to the point. It is full of poorly written characters based on stupid tropes. This is coming from a writer, so that should tell you that if another writer is disgusted by the level of actual realness and personality of a character, it is BAD. And that costume fully reflects that, in a character who is one-note and boring, not because of her religion or ethnicity, but because it is literally ALL she is.

[Zulithe]

As with most of these superhero set leaks, doubly so when it's a brand new character, you just can't judge how well it will look in the show by these kinds of shots. So I think, this actually comes off looking like a pretty good representation of her costume based on the nonideal circumstances of the photos.

I know very, very little about this character though. I am sure they are hoping this will be her breakout into the mainstream which will catapult her to popularity, much like Miles Morales had with Into The Spiderverse.

[Andrew NDB]

WTF??! Have I EVER said or signifying in ANY way that I hate Muslims, or ANY people of Middle Eastern or other ethnicities? No, I have NOT. In fact, I would DEFEND them, against the racist, phobic crap people like you and others spew. I simply dislike the character (I've actually READ some of her comics, and they were horrible) because she is a completely one dimensional stereotype. Most EVERYONE in her comic series is, to be more to the point. It is full of poorly written characters based on stupid tropes. This is coming from a writer, so that should tell you that if another writer is disgusted by the level of actual realness and personality of a character, it is BAD. And that costume fully reflects that, in a character who is one-note and boring, not because of her religion or ethnicity, but because it is literally ALL she is.

lol... you totally walked into that trap, hook line and sinker. Too predictable.

[IMJ]

lol... you totally walked into that trap, hook line and sinker. Too predictable.

But Duckie will fling that $#!( along with misinformed and uninformed social views, right? Two kinds of people like this - those that get attacked for stupidity after a while and just double down on their stupidity and those who get attacked for stupidity and then take a look at themselves to one day change and join the real world.

I don't like this Duckie very much, but (and I can't speak for anyone else but myself) I'd be very welcoming of a more informed, more poignant and less mouthy Duckie, even in disagreement.

In fact, I would DEFEND them, against the racist, phobic crap people like you

Nothing I have ever said here was racist or phobic in the slightest. You dimwit. I was wrong... you're back to just saying words. I go around saying that if people looked at themselves as people instead of putting their color before everything then they have smoothed out lives and they would find a world of good people waiting to embrace them. I go around extending that olive branch of conversation you absolutely ignorant, dumb f'n $#!tbag.
Not even any of the bottom feeders amongst the varied people who post here have never once called me a racist. Not even some of the most easily-challenged, low-EQ forum members who have personally got up-in -arms with meltdowns when I set them straight haven't even remotely come to implying that I'm a racist here.

LMFAO! You are dumb as f'n rocks, man. I'm sure you're a hero in your f'n head though.

[Sumac]

lol... you totally walked into that trap, hook line and sinker. Too predictable.
Cue MsMarvelDuckie playing old good "Guys I just pretend to be retarded" "I was just trolling!" song. :lol:

Um, I literally said NOTHING about her size, OR gender, or ANY of that BS?? It was the COSTUME that looked like crap! It literally looks like something homemade by a cosplayer! STFU!
Thanks for the laugh, sis.
Also, thank you for confirming every stereotype I had about people like you, NPCwoman. :D
Your lack of self-awareness is amazing.

[Coola Yagami]

WTF??! Have I EVER said or signifying in ANY way that I hate Muslims, or ANY people of Middle Eastern or other ethnicity? No, I have NOT. In fact, I would DEFEND them, against the racist, phobic crap people like you and others spew. I simply dislike the character (I've actually READ some of her comics, and they were horrible) because she is a completely one dimensional stereotype. Most EVERYONE in her comic series is, to be more to the point. It is full of poorly written characters based on stupid tropes. This is coming from a writer, so that should tell you that if another writer is disgusted by the level of actual realness and personality of a character, it is BAD. And that costume fully reflects that, in a character who is one-note and boring, not because of her religion or ethnicity, but because it is literally ALL she is.

*Le Facepalm*

Dude.... they're just messing with you and throwing your own SJW/NPC/whatever buzzwords against you.

Like maybe I'm supposed to feel bad that they're messing you, but you also can't be this eager to take the bait.

Good people are good people by their actions, rather than words. You don't need to always remind or correct people of your causes, that's where self-righteousness comes in.

[Slade]

The only thing I know Kamala from is Contest of Champions and she's utter ****.
Have a feeling this one will be another skippable movie. Might not even be bad, but won't really be important.

[IMJ]

*Le Facepalm*

Dude.... they're just messing with you and throwing your own SJW/NPC/whatever buzzwords against you.

Like maybe I'm supposed to feel bad that they're messing you, but you also can't be this eager to take the bait.

Good people are good people by their actions, rather than words. You don't need to always remind or correct people of your causes, that's where self-righteousness comes in.

Coola! This post! My man, personality points right there for the spirit of it! I'll be damned.... the wisdom! Not talking about the perceived "sides" or any of that crap. Just... the wisdom, buddy!

[Andrew NDB]

Have a feeling this one will be another skippable movie.

Wait, is this a movie? I thought it was another Disney+ series?

[IMJ]

Wait, is this a movie? I thought it was another Disney+ series?

It's a series. Again, if the series gives little girls a hero and they run around the house pretending to stretch ten foot arms or curl up into a ball and do somersaults after watching it, that's cool.

It wasn't made for us. This character was part of the diversity push in print sometime back, but I never saw her as a "replacement" character at any other character or fan's expense. If this does well, that's cool with me.

[Slade]

Wait, is this a movie? I thought it was another Disney+ series?

Series, my bad.

It's a series. Again, if the series gives little girls a hero and they run around the house pretending to stretch ten foot arms or curl up into a ball and do somersaults after watching it, that's cool.


Yeah, that would be cool. Do you actually think that will happen? I'm generally curious about this. I have boys, but my nieces don't seem to care about any of this stuff.

Like I say, I only know Kamala from the one mobile game, where everyone hates her. Only seen praise recently after this announcement.

[IMJ]

Yeah, that would be cool. Do you actually think that will happen? I'm generally curious about this. I have boys, but my nieces don't seem to care about any of this stuff.

Like I say, I only know Kamala from the one mobile game, where everyone hates her. Only seen praise recently after this announcement.

Okay, so.....

I hated what they did to Star Wars in that new trilogy, right? But when the Force Awakens came out I took my lady's younger (at the time) teenage daughter to go see it, pretty much on purpose. I figured or hoped that she'd get a kick out of it and, I know it's a cliche, but it had a "girl hero" and she didn't know about that going into it. She's not into that stuff normally.

But she got a kick out of it and I'll never forget how during the scene near the end where Finn is fighting Kylo and there's that moment of build up where he tries to force grip the saber hilt. And it flings instead towards Rey. Well Meli was all excited and looks at me while the movie is playing and said something like "OMG it's HEEERRRRR?!!" as both a question and exclamation. I think I said "yeah she's pretty cool!"

And those movies were dog$#!(, but you know she had a hero for ten minutes. And then forgot completely about Star Wars until The Last Jedi came out and asked me if we could go see it.

So you know.... that's all fine and good.

So yeah, I think there are plenty of little people out there who get excited with a hero that they identify with to some extent.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

But Duckie will fling that $#!( along with misinformed and uninformed social views, right? Two kinds of people like this - those that get attacked for stupidity after a while and just double down on their stupidity and those who get attacked for stupidity and then take a look at themselves to one day change and join the real world.

I don't like this Duckie very much, but (and I can't speak for anyone else but myself) I'd be very welcoming of a more informed, more poignant and less mouthy Duckie, even in disagreement.



Nothing I have ever said here was racist or phobic in the slightest. You dimwit. I was wrong... you're back to just saying words. I go around saying that if people looked at themselves as people instead of putting their color before everything then they have smoothed out lives and they would find a world of good people waiting to embrace them. I go around extending that olive branch of conversation you absolutely ignorant, dumb f'n $#!tbag.
Not even any of the bottom feeders amongst the varied people who post here have never once called me a racist. Not even some of the most easily-challenged, low-EQ forum members who have personally got up-in -arms with meltdowns when I set them straight haven't even remotely come to implying that I'm a racist here.

LMFAO! You are dumb as f'n rocks, man. I'm sure you're a hero in your f'n head though.

Cue MsMarvelDuckie playing old good "Guys I just pretend to be retarded" "I was just trolling!" song. :lol:


Thanks for the laugh, sis.
Also, thank you for confirming every stereotype I had about people like you, NPCwoman. :D
Your lack of self-awareness is amazing.

Good goddess the level of asinine self-congratulatory bs in this thread is f**king amazing. You two self-righteous pretentious cretins will twist anything someone says into an agenda, just so you can then attack it. Gaslighting at its finest! But whatever, you do you. You want to know the truth? I'm just disgusted by how blatant your attempts to mock me for being a DECENT HUMAN BEING and having empathy and compassion for others seems to entertain you so much. But again, it's all good. Just tells me the kind of character ya'll were raised to have- which is to say, none. Consider this my thumbs down to both the asshattery and the general attitude of people who would rather spend their time mocking a person for their desire to make the world better, instead of working on self improvement. It's rude, hateful, and shows a lack of self control or emotional maturity. Grade school bully tactics, with abuser mentality. Lovely. Makes me wonder what sort of relationships you have had, but I'm guessing they aren't healthy ones.

Reported.

[Sumac]

https://i.imgur.com/8M4kk37.jpg?1
Imagine being triggered and acting like a spluttering mess about obvious trolling flying over your head.

Imagine believing that self-righteous shitposting on Internet and getting into fights with random people on a forum is "making world a better place".

On the other hand, what one can expect from mediocrity who lives with a family and still works in a fastfood restaurant. Tells me a lot why that person might be angry at life and everyone else and why they need to pretend they have a moral high ground. lol

[Andrew NDB]

I'm just disgusted by how blatant your attempts to mock me for being a DECENT HUMAN BEING and having empathy and compassion for others

You mean like where you said in the other thread about how COVID and the forced lockdowns for the pandemic are awesome, despite all the actual COVID deaths, record suicide rates as a result of people being forced to stay at home, students -- kids -- offing themselves in equally record numbers, small businesses shuttered forever, people's entire livelihoods lost, all of these things are great because the air appears to be a little bit cleaner? Or did for a few weeks?

[Sumac]

You mean like where you said in the other thread about how COVID and the forced lockdowns for the pandemic are awesome, despite all the actual COVID deaths, record suicide rates as a result of people being forced to stay at home, students -- kids -- offing themselves in equally record numbers, small businesses shuttered forever, people's entire livelihoods lost, all of these things are great because the air appears to be a little bit cleaner? Or did for a few weeks?
But she is a morally better person who believes in unicorns and **** and wants to reduce amount of suffering...by directly applauding pandemic which brings about more suffering than most wars or disasters.

As if I need another to think that people like this are abject failures who have few screws loose.

"I care about people so much I can't wait for them to die!" That some psychopath **** right here all right.

[IMJ]

Spider-Gwen's comic sells terribly.

It's the same with a lot of this material. But the arm-chair fan only gauges this by what other arm-chair fans say when someone pops up on screen, or if an audience cheers.

Why is that a bad metric? Arm-chair fans aren't involved with the real culture and don't buy the books to know any better. They just want to be part of something, so if arm-chair fans pick up on the catchphrase like "they put Spider-Gwen in it" they are just automatically going to think that's a big deal. It's like when people were cheering when the first Cave Troll came in triumphantly during the first LOTR flicks. To many people it was just the beat of the movie - not a reinforcement that there are a bunch of people who have a deep fandom for Cave Trolls.

The point? Many of these characters are just part of the spectacle and expectation of a social event. Most people don't give a crap about them beyond that and that is reflected in the title sales.

[Jester]

I'll just leave this here as a reminder for some of you.
Please respect other members. Attacking or harassing other members on the forums is not allowed. This includes trolling (posting with the intention of upsetting people and/or starting arguments). If you get into an argument with anther member, please take it to email/PM/IM and keep it off the forums.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

You mean like where you said in the other thread about how COVID and the forced lockdowns for the pandemic are awesome, despite all the actual COVID deaths, record suicide rates as a result of people being forced to stay at home, students -- kids -- offing themselves in equally record numbers, small businesses shuttered forever, people's entire livelihoods lost, all of these things are great because the air appears to be a little bit cleaner? Or did for a few weeks?

I never said it was "awesome". The lockdowns were neccessary, to be sure, even though it sucked for a lot of people. What I SAID was that it also had a positive side. One most people ignored. I was pointing out the silver lining of the dark cloud that is the pandemic, nothing more. You and most everyone else simply decided to misinterpret that as me thinking it was all great. The fact that certain people here INTENTIONALLY misrepresented that sentiment to make me sound like a horrible person for pointing out that "silver lining" is just more gaslighting, deflecting and misdirection on their parts. Because that's what manipulative abusers do. They try to pin blame and degrade others to make themselves look good, and completely turn things on their victims if they stand up for themselves. It's how they operate.

In any case, I'm done with them. They are just using classic abuse tactics of narcissistic personalities to treat others like trash. Not really worth my time anymore.

On the topic, I still think her costume is 60's Robin cheese level of bad. Who even uses a domino to hide a secret identity anymore? It's lame.

[Sumac]

I never said it was "awesome". The lockdowns were neccessary, to be sure, even though it sucked for a lot of people. What I SAID was that it also had a positive side. One most people ignored. I was pointing out the silver lining of the dark cloud that is the pandemic, nothing more. You and most everyone else simply decided to misinterpret that as me thinking it was all great. The fact that certain people here INTENTIONALLY misrepresented that sentiment to make me sound like a horrible person for pointing out that "silver lining" is just more gaslighting, deflecting and misdirection on their parts. Because that's what manipulative abusers do. They try to pin blame and degrade others to make themselves look good, and completely turn things on their victims if they stand up for themselves. It's how they operate.

In any case, I'm done with them. They are just using classic abuse tactics of narcissistic personalities to treat others like trash. Not really worth my time anymore.
It is funny coming from a person who helps manipulative abusers to gain power in order to sow division and hatred. But somehow, people who are against it are abusers themselves.
Typical gaslighting and misdirection from a group of oppressors who pretend they are victims of oppression.

[Jester]

So...Kamala Khan....

Don't act innocent Sumac. You and others dogpiled Ducky. And now that she takes you to task YOU'RE the victim. If you can't take it then don't dish it out.

[Sumac]

Don't act innocent Sumac. You and others dogpiled Ducky. And now that she takes you to task YOU'RE the victim. If you can't take it then don't dish it out.
I've never said I am a victim.

I've said that she is gaslighting people to believe she is a victim, attacked, because "she is better than everyone and evil people don't like it.

I personally don't care about what opinion other people hold of me, but I don't like hypocrites and liars. And she is both. Thus I feel obligated to voice my opinion on her "opinions".

Also, MsMarvelDuckie is known for he inflammatory "mannerism" with which she "calls out" people for having different opinions than her own. And when people point it out or try to have an argument with her, she hides behind "harassment" banner.

If this is about reports I've sent on her posts - I've done it to give her taste of her own medicine, because, knowing her type, I am absolutely sure she has reported everyone for presumed crime of "wrongthink".

[TigerClaw]

So the MCU version of Ms. Marvel won't have her powers from the comics, She will have some sort of device that creates a construct of her Embiggening powers, So basically like the Green Lantern. She's gonna be a normal teen, and not an Inhuman.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/ms_marvel/ms-marvel-promo-art-confirms-mcus-kamala-khan-wont-have-her-comic-book-embiggening-powers-a189068#gs.dy04ah

https://www.pyramidinternational.com/assets/img/products/PP34866

[Sumac]

Weird.
What's wrong with her own powers?

[ZariusTwo]

Weird.
What's wrong with her own powers?

They're tied to the Inhumans, and they're not being used by the MCU, and anything previously done with them is non-canon.

[TigerClaw]

Weird.
What's wrong with her own powers?
Her powers are too similar to Mr Fantastic, Maybe its the reason why they are changing that, Another reason is that the Inhumans don't exist in the MCU. There was that failed TV show, But Marvel Studios doesn't acknowledge it.

[neatoman]

So the MCU version of Ms. Marvel won't have her powers from the comics, She will have some sort of device that creates a construct of her Embiggening powers, So basically like the Green Lantern. She's gonna be a normal teen, and not an Inhuman.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/ms_marvel/ms-marvel-promo-art-confirms-mcus-kamala-khan-wont-have-her-comic-book-embiggening-powers-a189068#gs.dy04ah

https://www.pyramidinternational.com/assets/img/products/PP34866

Which one of the following is the most likely reason for this change?


Since they are planning on making a Fantastic Four movie, they are pointlessly fretting about having more than one character with stretchy powers.
Glowy light powers are just easier to make with a relatively lower budget.
They are trying to keep quiet that they are retconning stuff and avoid direct contradictions with the Inhumans show (not like anyone cares about a show that got canned efter eight episodes and got bad reviews but blatantly striking things from canon tends to open up the kind of ******** can of worms that makes the Terminator franchise such a mess).
The story she came from was a mess designed to arbitrarily keep the X-Men and Mutants a less relevant concept because of an idiotic company feud, one that has since been resolved due to a merger and with open secret plans to introduce the X-Men to this franchise, why in the **** would they ever even try to adapt that story?
Since someone at Marvel had a boner for trying to make Carol a Hal Jordan rip-off, they just wanted to keep that up.
They don't actually care, just like with Shang-Chi or Guardians, they just make **** up using old names because they think nobody else does. Maybe the director or writer or someone just thought the powers were idiotic and none of the higher ups actually cares enough about the character to keep something as simple as the power set intact.


Maybe a little of all of them? I mean, know the MCU isn't really that faithful, it never really was. It's only more faithful compared to the stuff it reboots in the sense that crossovers aren't hindered by characters being scattered by license contracts. But I have noticed there is some... Overlap between how relatively well known a character already was and how much they are willing to arbitrarily change them. Spider-Man is so well known that barely even bothered explaining his backstory and powers, basically expecting the audience to already get it and kept him mostly the same. MCU Iron Man may in many ways be RDJ just ad-libbing but the basics of his backstory and abilities are all there, at the core he is the same but still quite a bit different. And then you have Star-Lord, who shares his name with his comic book counterpart and the general idea that his dad is an alien, beyond that he might as well be a new character in terms of backstory and personality.

Kamala has been around for like six years or so and may primarily have been created so that Marvel can keep the Miss Marvel trademark when they made Carol Captain Marvel. Her book keeps failing to last and Marvel mostly seems to care about her because she makes headlines, for reasons largely unrelated to her personality or powers. So why even care about the powers from the higher up's POV?

[Coola Yagami]

So the MCU version of Ms. Marvel won't have her powers from the comics, She will have some sort of device that creates a construct of her Embiggening powers, So basically like the Green Lantern. She's gonna be a normal teen, and not an Inhuman.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/ms_marvel/ms-marvel-promo-art-confirms-mcus-kamala-khan-wont-have-her-comic-book-embiggening-powers-a189068#gs.dy04ah

https://www.pyramidinternational.com/assets/img/products/PP34866

...............................Then why even make the movie at all?

[ZariusTwo]

...............................Then why even make the movie at all?

It's not a movie, it's a series, but Kamala will be in The Marvels (aka Captain Marvel 2)

[Sumac]

They're tied to the Inhumans, and they're not being used by the MCU, and anything previously done with them is non-canon.
IMO, it'd be easier to explain her powers in a different fashion, without involving Inhumans, rather than changing her powerset.

[neatoman]

So... Anyone want to bet on this causing some retcons and/or changes for synergy in the comics?

[Andrew NDB]

IMO, it'd be easier to explain her powers in a different fashion, without involving Inhumans, rather than changing her powerset.

Or just making her a mutant.


They are trying to keep quiet that they are retconning stuff and avoid direct contradictions with the Inhumans show (not like anyone cares about a show that got canned efter eight episodes and got bad reviews but blatantly striking things from canon tends to open up the kind of ******** can of worms that makes the Terminator franchise such a mess).

It's weird, I downloaded the whole show right when it came out, meaning to watch it shortly thereafter. And why wouldn't I? I loved Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter, all that stuff. Yet I never felt much of an urge to. Even now, there it is on Disney+, easily watchable with just two clicks of my remote. Nope, still won't watch it.

[Andrew NDB]

SJWs already going after it for not being diverse enough:

https://insidethemagic.net/2021/12/marvel-ms-marvel-yasmeen-fletcher-ct1/

[Sumac]

SJW retards had completely lost the plot: they demand that characters should be played by people of the exact ethnicity and beliefs as that character.
It is a peak idiocy.

[IMJ]

SJW retards had completely lost the plot: they demand that characters should be played by people of the exact ethnicity and beliefs as that character.
It is a peak idiocy.

That's not what they believe. I'm telling you, most of those people are Earth's bottom feeders just looking to fit into something or to "try out something on someone else" that they either don't understand or feel will embed them.

SJW's are Nazi sympathizers, but most of them couldn't even compute that because they spend most of their time calling other people "Nazi's".

And so here we are. The solution? F 'em. Kamala Khan is woke $#!(, so don't pay for any content with the character. Let the SJW's complaining about it, yet championing it give it their money if they believe in this nonsense so deeply.

Half the f'n people on the internet are f'n idiot kids who got called "racists" by another idiot kid somewhere and are now online doing it to other people just to figure out the correct response that someone smarter than them might give 'em.

[Andrew NDB]

And so here we are. The solution? F 'em. Kamala Khan is woke $#!(, so don't pay for any content with the character.

Take something like "Loki." Had an angry female activist showrunner, but Loki is Loki. So I'm watching the show kind of squinting at it, waiting for the SJW punch to come and hit me in the face. Thankfully, barring the insistence on Loki talking about doing gay stuff (because that was "important" to the showrunner for some reason), it never really came. But I was ready for it.

"Ms. Marvel"? Its very existence is SJW personified. No thanks.

[IMJ]

I didn't support Loki. Still haven't watched it either - not even pirated.

Basically the only way to beat all of this $#!( back is with atom bombs in aggression and with complete absence in support.

If it even remotely hints at woke $#!(, I'm out. Because woke $#!( isn't diversity.