Thundercats Roar-AKA Thunder Titans Go!

[ZariusTwo]

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The ThunderCats are coming back!

EW can exclusively reveal that Warner Bros. Animation is bringing back the iconic cat-like aliens for new animated series called ThunderCats Roar, which will debut on Cartoon Network in 2019.

Check out an exclusive sneak peak at the show above.

The original ThunderCats show aired from 1985 and 1989, and followed the adventures of Lion-O, Cheetara, Panthro, Tygra, Snarf, and WilyKit and WilyKat, the refugees of the planet Thundera who end up on Third Earth. While ThunderCats Roar plans on staying true to the original’s premise and will feature tons of action, it will also lean into the inherent comedy of the world, too.

“I think the world that they built lends itself really well to comedy because of how silly and crazy and outlandish those ideas are and some of those settings are,” says producer Victor Courtright in the exclusive behind-the-scenes video above. “But at the same time, it wouldn’t be ThunderCats if it didn’t have super cool action elements because that’s what people came back to. It’s very much something that we want to lean on. So with the new show, we’re not walking away from the action in any bit. Every step we take towards comedy, we take two more towards really cool action scenes and explosions and lasers and actions effects.”

Here’s the official logline for the series: “Staying true to the premise of the original series, Lion-O and the ThunderCats — Tygra, Panthro, Cheetara, Wilykat, and Wilykit — barely escape the sudden destruction of their home world, Thundera, only to crash land on the mysterious and exotic planet of Third Earth. Lion-O, the newly appointed Lord of the ThunderCats, attempts to lead the team as they make this planet their new home. A bizarre host of creatures and villains stand in their way, including the evil Mumm-Ra, Third Earth’s wicked ruler who will let nothing, including the ThunderCats, stop his tyrannical reign over the planet.”

ThunderCats Roar stars Max Mittelman (Justice League Action) as Lion-O and Wilykat, Erica Lindbeck (DC Super Hero Girls) as Cheetara and Wilykit, Patrick Seitz (Justice League Action) as Tygra and Mumm-Ra, and Chris Jai Alex (Star Wars: Battlefront II) as Panthro.

http://ew.com/tv/2018/05/18/cartoon-network-thundercats-new-animated-series/


If there was ever a time for those Thundercats outtakes...

[TurtleTitan97]

This is gonna end up as garbage, isn't it?

[newfan]

Is that pic the actual design?

I don't think I like the current toon trend that much but it is what is popular with children.

[CyberCubed]

LOL! Oh my god, when will this end? Every single cartoon....exactly the goddamn same. :lol:

At least Rise of the TMNT doesn't look like this, although the TMNT summer shorts do.

[TigerClaw]

Now Thundercats fans are knowing what some of the TMNT fans feel about there new series.

I'm not quite onboard with these designs. and the fact its not taking itself seriously. This is basically another Teen Titans Go. But based on a beloved 80s cartoon.

[Sumac]

Why does it look like every other modern American cartoon?
Not only I detest this design by itself, but the fact that everyone trying to copycat it, is just pathetic.

Ugh, I so miss style of the 80-s.

[Vegita-San]

is it someones mission to take everything we love about the 80s and totally frig it up?

If I had the storyboards, and the original voices on board, and maybe even an original writer.. I'd attempt to make a NEW Turtles episode, taking place after Divide and Conquer just to s how you CAN respect what has come before and STILL make it cool.

but that would be alot of perfect storms to come together to make that happen. sigh.

[drgon78]

And I thought I hated Teen Titans Go:(

[PApagreg]

Why does it look like every other modern American cartoon?
Not only I detest this design by itself, but the fact that everyone trying to copycat it, is just pathetic.

Ugh, I so miss style of the 80-s.

You miss when characters moved stiff as cardboard and there were almost basically no violence, also when it was so PC that they change Baxter into a white guy just because they would't offend anyone.

[sdp]

I would welcome a TTGo! Thundercats show, but man those designs are so awful, they look exactly like the TMNT Team Up shorts (same artist?). I like TTGo! humor but the Team Up humor definitely wasn't as good as TTG.

Why did the Thundercats 2011 revival bomb? The character designs looked awesome and the trailers were cool. Was it because Cartoon Network started their hate towards action shows at that time?

[CyberCubed]

The 2010's will likely be remembered as a dark time for cartoons aside from a few standouts. This decade has definitely been worse than 2000-2009 or the 90's for cartoons.

[PApagreg]

The 2010's will likely be remembered as a dark time for cartoons aside from a few standouts. This decade has definitely been worse than 2000-2009 or the 90's for cartoons.
Please even at its worst 2010s still crap on the 60s/70s/80s

[plastroncafe]

The linework looks a little too Uncle Gran'pa for my tastes, but it could be good story-wise.

[ABrown]

My god I am 100,000 percent done with Cartoon Network. I mean what in THE holy f*(k.

[plastroncafe]

I can't be done with them, they're giving me a Harvey Birdman movie!
And Steven Universe is still pretty awesome.

[Powder]

SO sick of this copy-&-paste CalArts/Tumblr BS art style taking over the west.

http://pm1.narvii.com/6734/53b436c94d90cc7bc92233494b7946ffcc5d3942v2_00.jpg

[plastroncafe]

Everything in the 90s had X-TREME angles, now everything is built on a curve.

[sdp]

The writing on the show could be good, I guess there's potential even if I'd say He-Man just has more stuff to work with for parody and comedic situations. but man that art style is so off putting, TTG has much better chibi art.

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This 2011 reboot should've been the greatest thing ever, I mean I re-watched Thundercats two years before the 2011reboot and while the 80s show reeked of the 80s it did plenty of world building that anyone could shape up a super interesting story based on all the lore. How did it fail?

[ZariusTwo]

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[newfan]

I like the type of designs SDP posted but it seems this other type is the thing at the moment, is it a younger kid audience thing? Thinking of things like Gumball I'd say maybe not, the content though not over old didn't really yell 4-year-old at me either.

[Papenbrook]

SO sick of this copy-&-paste CalArts/Tumblr BS art style taking over the west.

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I wholeheartedly agree.

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If they keep this up, there will be an animation crash.

[plastroncafe]

It's like Disney Same Face!
(I'm usually okay with the animation style being less impressive so long as the writing holds up. And while I can't speak to the 'toons on the right, the ones on the left have some of the best storytelling I've seen in cartoons.)

[CyberCubed]

Thank god Young Justice Season 3 is coming out late this year (or early next year). I need to watch a quality western action cartoon again.

[sdp]

Generic art-style is off putting but I don't know I think this could be fun.

[Candy Kappa]

Looks like a cute and fun show. Hopefully it'll be popular enough to get the ThunderCats Classics license going faster.

[sdp]

It could also pave the route for a "traditional" show in a few years after this show is over or a movie. The 2011 show, the 2011 toyline, the Bandai Classics Toy Line and the Mattel Classic Toylines were either cancelled/short lived/bombed so the future of the franchise didn't look good, this is likely the only pitch that made sense to try to revive the property.

[Papenbrook]

... Max Mittelman ...

Just ... what happened to you, man?

First Marvel's Spider-Man, and now this? Like, really?!

[PApagreg]

SO sick of this copy-&-paste CalArts/Tumblr BS art style taking over the west.

http://pm1.narvii.com/6734/53b436c94d90cc7bc92233494b7946ffcc5d3942v2_00.jpg

Oh my god 5 shows and a videogame have similar artstlyes for their main characters its Western Animation has no diversity

I wholeheartedly agree.

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If they keep this up, there will be an animation crash.

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[FredWolfLeonardo]

Personally not the type of tone I'd go for but it is Thundercats and I do enjoy Teen Titans Go so I will check it out.

[IndigoErth]

Oh... my god. It doesn't even feel like it could be a real thing, rather like they've got to just be trolling Thundercats fans SUPER hard. Mind blown, but not in a good way. :ohwell: If this LAZY crap is really what's so "popular" in the industry right now, wtf.

Do they all have the same teacher that is just teaching students this style and nothing else?? Is it a lack of talent in schools these days, but hey if you do THIS, which is as easy as we can make it, it's a win?


That video...

"I grew up watching Thundercats, my older brothers were super into it." So I decided to grow up and piss them off by effing it over completely! Huzzah!

I mean, talk about a chance to stick it to a sibling if you get to work on a franchise they once loved, or, better yet, still do.

If I had an older sibling that had a big hand in screwing up TMNT, be it things I'm hating about "Rise" or if it had become that crap we saw as shorts that looks like this... Yeah, very possible that the relationship might be rather strained for a while.

[oldmanwinters]

This 2011 reboot should've been the greatest thing ever, I mean I re-watched Thundercats two years before the 2011reboot and while the 80s show reeked of the 80s it did plenty of world building that anyone could shape up a super interesting story based on all the lore. How did it fail?

I loved the 2011 show and was crushed that it died after one season. I think it had two things working against it: low toy sales and the inexplicable bias that Cartoon Network had against WB Animation shows that also affected DC superheroes (Young Justice, Beware the Batman, etc.) and Scooby Doo Mystery Inc.

SO sick of this copy-&-paste CalArts/Tumblr BS art style taking over the west.

http://pm1.narvii.com/6734/53b436c94d90cc7bc92233494b7946ffcc5d3942v2_00.jpg

I wholeheartedly agree.

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If they keep this up, there will be an animation crash.

Holy cow, I never noticed how identical that face was. Does the internet have a slang name for it yet?

[Papenbrook]

Machias Banshee said it best.

NOOOOO!! Leave the Classics alone You bassturds!!!


*cries*

[CyberCubed]

Are there ANY action cartoons even on the air right now?

The only ones I could think of are the ones that just ended, like Nick's TMNT, Star Wars Rebels, Samurai Jack's final season, or Young Justice. And Justice League Action was just recently confirmed canceled after just 1 season too.

WTF.

Until Young Justice Season 3 comes, the next Star Wars cartoon, or Rise of the TMNT...there are no action shows anymore.

[oldmanwinters]

Are there ANY action cartoons even on the air right now?

I haven't seen Big Hero 6: The Series, but it does look cool. Also, the English dub on Dragonball Super airs "new episodes" on Cartoon Network Saturday nights.

[Sumac]

You miss when characters moved stiff as cardboard and there were almost basically no violence, also when it was so PC that they change Baxter into a white guy just because they would't offend anyone.
I don't give a **** about change of Baxter.
I like that characters and backgrounds looked much more detailed and while some of the episodes were animated like **** others looked much better. Not this semi-flash vomit that plagues everything nowadays.
Also, I don't care about violence.

Please even at its worst 2010s still crap on the 60s/70s/80s
60-70 might agree, 80-s, no.

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Your examples look like all the same - abstract **** with curves.
Not better than sameface styles of the past. Not at all.

[PApagreg]

I don't give a **** about change of Baxter.
I like that characters and backgrounds looked much more detailed and while some of the episodes were animated like **** others looked much better. Not this semi-flash vomit that plagues everything nowadays.
Also, I don't care about violence.


60-70 might agree, 80-s, no.


Your examples look like all the same - abstract **** with curves.
Not better than sameface styles of the past. Not at all.

You literally always take the time to complain about progressives but now you say you dont give a ****. Also find me an example where a 80s tv show had fluid animation that isnt from the intro

[Utrommaniac]

Looks more like a Mighty Magiswords/OK KO deal to me.

[Sumac]

You literally always take the time to complain about progressives but now you say you dont give a ****. Also find me an example where a 80s tv show had fluid animation that isnt from the intro
1) TMNT is pretty good example of good animation in some episodes. For example Season 1.
2) I am not obsessed, so I am capable of not giving a **** if I don't feel like it.

[PApagreg]

1) TMNT is pretty good example of good animation in some episodes. For example Season 1.
I am not obsessed, so I am capable of not giving a **** if I don't feel like it.
Oh please if this was anything else you would go on a long tirade on how progressives are ruining everything but because this is a cartoon from your childhood you let it slide.

[Sumac]

Oh please if this was anything else you would go on a long tirade on how progressives are ruining everything but because this is a cartoon from your childhood you let it slide.
Oh my, my dear poor leftie friend, how low you think of me...I am finding it very funny. I almost want you to make even more wild accusation about me, just to have fun at your expense. :lol:

And no, I wouldn't go on a tirade since in original comic book Baxter was black.
Does it answer your question?

[PApagreg]

Oh my, my dear poor leftie friend, how low you think of me...I am finding it very funny. I almost want you to make even more wild accusation about me, just to have fun at your expense. :lol:

And no, I wouldn't go on a tirade since in original comic book Baxter was black.
Does it answer your question?
Your passive agressive rebutal doesnt hide your hipocrisy we both know if hypothetically speaking they made Shredder into a white guy because "they dont want to seen as being racist because they have in asian man as a villian" you would complain like there was no tommorow.Youre the same guy who complained about black april or Landos sexuality in the new Star Wars movie

[Sumac]

Your passive agressive rebutal doesnt hide your hipocrisy we both know if hypothetically speaking they made Shredder into a white guy because "they dont want to seen as being racist because they have in asian man as a villian" you would complain like there was no tommorow.Youre the same guy who complained about black april or Landos sexuality in the new Star Wars movie
Whatever. Like a typical zealot you have stuck with some hilarious faulty preconceived notions and trying to project them on me. Be my guest, then. But in PM, please.
No need to derail this thread even further, just so you can validate your believes and vent your anger using other posters.

;)

[Vegita-San]

uhm... they did make shredder into a white guy...and the entire INTERNET rightfully complained about it, and it got changed back to the way he was supposed to be... not sure the point being made there.


anyway....

I can't understand why companies think that shows like this are 'respecting' the older franchises that they are based on. cheap animation. probably bad attempts at jokes, if that tv bit is any indication. and it'll be such an odd mix that I don't think anything will land right. and if that is the new theme song shown at the end of the video? my god, the end of it grates my ears.

it's like thundercats on an acid trip.

[Shark_Blade]

This looks like garbage I dislike the Steve Universe fat style/look. :(

I love the 2011 series but of course toy sales politic ended up killing it.

[PApagreg]

Whatever. Like a typical zealot you have stuck with some hilarious faulty preconceived notions and trying to project them on me. Be my guest, then. But in PM, please.
No need to derail this thread even further, just so you can validate your believes and vent your anger using other posters.

;)
Not really projection when you do the metioned crap in every other thread but please continue to act dumb and pretend to act mature because god knows you will never act like an actual adult

[drgon78]

I love both the 80's series and the 2011 series but this is just insulting that it even exists.

[newfan]

I'm stuck with the 80s Thundercats theme in my head now. I never saw the newer one but used to like watching the older one as a child. I guess they just didn't want to do a similar thing a third time and they think this will appeal to kids, it might but yeah it's not something I find appealing either.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

is it someones mission to take everything we love about the 80s and totally frig it up?

If I had the storyboards, and the original voices on board, and maybe even an original writer.. I'd attempt to make a NEW Turtles episode, taking place after Divide and Conquer just to s how you CAN respect what has come before and STILL make it cool.

but that would be alot of perfect storms to come together to make that happen. sigh.

In the future, I think fans will be able to create own episodes more easy. If voice actors are missing, go for subtitles!

[IndigoErth]

I can't understand why companies think that shows like this are 'respecting' the older franchises that they are based on. cheap animation.
Me too. Was a bit floored when that guy made that claim. Just like we've heard over TMNT now both on the last films and 'Rise'. It seems to be the go-to thing to claim now and is starting to mean absolutely nothing. ...or it simply means the opposite and is an attempt to TELL people to like/accept their decisions. If we tell you it's respecting it then you'll believe us, right? The viewer is that dumb, right?


If people pull that line much more it will easily become meme material. The irony/respect meme.

It's all about respecting it.

I respect your awesome past decorating decisions so I decided to paint your walls a hideous color!

There is no way you can legitimately claim that something that 99% does not resemble a thing is actually trying to respect said thing. If it's a completely whacked out idea that you know damn well does zero to "respect" the original, than at least own that fact and openly state that it's some whacked out crazyland series only very loosely based on it and probably exists as what it is simply because "it's never been done." Well, aside from the fact that almost everyone else seems to be doing it now. :roll: Really, just own it for what it is, don't try to tell viewers a reboot is something it's not.

Buuuut... maybe that means it will also grow old in the not too distant future and some cartoons can get back to being epic.


That copy/past design should also become a meme...

[Candy Kappa]

Honestly, this direction makes a lot of sense in trying to revive the cheese fest that is ThunderCats. The 2011 revival had a fantastic season, an amazing toyline that had both 3 3/4 and 6 inch scale figures and a not so amazing Classics line. And no one cared about it, the show died real fast.

So of course looking at current Cartoon Network shows and emulating them is the way to go.

Most of the whiners didn't give a rat's ass about ThunderCats until the reveal of Roar "ruined" the good name of ThunderCats :lol:

[Vegita-San]

'fantastic revival'

wrong characterizations. boring magical battles. stupid love triangle.
lots of modern tropes.

the original series was a fun action adventure based on the survival of space immigrants, the last of their species. just the fact that it tried to be moral doesn't make it cheesy.

[sdp]

If you hate this take on the franchise I suggest you watch this video, now I hate youtube celebrities and Pixeldan always shills for everything but I couldn't agree more with what he says.

Most online nerds and casual fans that just follow the sites on social media but will never actually watch or be the intended target audience love to criticize but if it's what kids like then it's a kids property it should target to them. We haven't seen anything and Thundercats already had a failed serious revival not to mention fans weren't enough to save two different classic Thundercats toyline either.

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[Vegita-San]

just looking at the arguments, people arn't buying the 'if it's for kids' and 'good things for the franchise' argument.

Good on them. People are learning.

Kids deserve better. the sense of fun in cartoons is all gone now. it's so corporate and mandated by committee and survey teams...it's sad.

[CyberCubed]

just looking at the arguments, people arn't buying the 'if it's for kids' and 'good things for the franchise' argument.

Good on them. People are learning.

Kids deserve better. the sense of fun in cartoons is all gone now. it's so corporate and mandated by committee and survey teams...it's sad.

You're a 40 year old man, this isn't for you. A 6-8 year old kid watching this on CN won't give a damn about what it's "supposed to be."

[sdp]

People are learning? Neckbeards and casual fans have always complained about reboots on social media even if the casuals would never even check the show out if it was "all they would ever want in a show" and the hardcore fan is irrelevant to the market when it comes to mass appeal.

Kids deserve better? Kids deserve their cartoons, I sure as hell didn't want 80s style cartoon in the 90s and watched all the crappy XTREEEEME shows because they're awesome. I understand they're not awesome to everyone but I don't care. Same logic applies here.

Corporate and committees have always been in the show making process even your most loved 80s or 90s franchises were the product of business men who had no idea what they wanted and just wanted money. It's the creators who sparkled imagination into the shows that made them click with kids in a whole different level that created the fandoms that we all belong to know. Those people still exist.

As I grow older, even as a fan of animation, the less I'm interested in checking cartoons aimed for kids. Even if they might be better written than other shows I love, I'm still just not interested. This is what happens to most people in their teens, hell it happened to me too but I was able to get back into animation later. I find the current generation of cartoons to look so dull and uninteresting but I trust PApagreg's opinion who seems to have a rather unbiased look to them. I remember being in his shoes a decade ago telling people the 00's just had better cartoons than the 90s even if I preferred 90s show. If this generation likes those crappy shows today now then awesome.

I still love animation and will always check out most reboots to franchises I like and for new stuff it does take a lot to convince me to get into more stuff than I already am but if I do and I like it then awesome, I have nothing against it. I just realize most of the stuff nowadays is just not for me, I think I realized that with Adventure Time.


just looking at the arguments, people arn't buying the 'if it's for kids' and 'good things for the franchise' argument.

Good on them. People are learning.

Kids deserve better. the sense of fun in cartoons is all gone now. it's so corporate and mandated by committee and survey teams...it's sad.

[Sumac]

Not really projection when you do the metioned crap in every other thread but please continue to act dumb and pretend to act mature because god knows you will never act like an actual adult
Of course, because derailing thread and starting provocation is a very mature of you. Good going!
I wonder do people like you know what irony is? :P

[sdp]

Here is the teaser of the 2011 show, so much HYPE. Sadly it was cancelled.

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The show can revive interest in a Thundercats movie, remember this well done fan trailer?

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Let the new show be its own thing,

The art style is horrendous in this new show but the interview behind the scenes looks promising, I'll give it a chance, the writing could be good and it'd be the best thing to happen to Thundercats since the 2011 reboot. It didn't seem like the show was going to get anything else. I think it can only be beneficial and one day we can get a new "serious" take like the 2011 show. The 80s show despite all its flaws did so much world building that I'd love to see a modern interpretation. I can wait before judging this comedy take on the franchise, if this show is fun to watch like Teen Titans Go, I'll appreciate that it revived interest in the IP.

[IndigoErth]

Here is the teaser of the 2011 show, so much HYPE. Sadly it was cancelled.
Shame and surprising that didn't last. Not appealing to me personally as I don't care for the anime feel, but considering anime is so popular you'd think it would have done better.



All I have to say with this overdone art style they're using now... I hate to see how badly this stuff ages. The 80s may not have aged well, but this stuff someday is just going to look like a pointless sugar high and little more.

Who knows... maybe this generation of kids this stuff is being rebooted to try to appeal to (instead of giving them NEW crap in that art style instead) will one day grow up and reboot it themselves in a more serious tone like they never got. (Because lord knows what's wrong with this current adult age group doing these crackhead reboots.)

Cartoons like this are so ridiculously hyper now though... All the old Nicktoons from back in the day, like Rugrats, seem so slow in comparison. Pretty crazy. Is it really such a great idea to put so much hyper nonsense in front of kids and encourage that... Eesh.

[sdp]

Action shows have been dead this whole decade, they surely have to come back next decade right? Netflix has been trying but the writing is awful on them: safe, predictable and reeks of the worst of the 80s and 90s cartoons

One thing I liked is they mentioned the Thundercats opening was stuff of legends and all shows should have an awesome intro, so let's hope so. The 2011 show had a decent remake of the original shows intro, here are both of the previous ones:
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hahaha /co/ is going insane over this

[Vegita-San]

they supposedly showed the intro, either some, or all of it, in that opening 2 minute clip. where the guy apparently so happy working on thundercats looked like he couldn't muster enough enthusiasm to smile IIRC.


People can recognize crap. kids and adults alike. this looks like crap.

Teen titans go seems like it was an inventive idea that was having fun with the universe that show created. it FIT that universe and show.

remember when the muppets tried to imitate the office? even the people doing the show didn't believe in it and it failed miserably.

not everything will fit everything else. and sometimes a bad idea WILL kill a property and it will sit for decades.

remember that god awful 90s anime he-man reboot? no? not surprised.
thanks to that, it took a long while before we got a GOOD reboot.


>>It's the creators who sparkled imagination into the shows that made them click with kids in a whole different level that created the fandoms that we all belong to know. Those people still exist.>>>

yes. but, I do not see any of that involved HERE.
Turtles 2K12 got so far away from turtles stuff, as to practically be it's own thing imho. very lack luster and forgettable, no real magic at all for me. This new turtle series looks like it's such an assault on the eyes that it won't last more than two seasons, tops. and the creators of that show don't look happy at all in the few things i've seen them in. same goes for this short clip of this series.

kids are starting to gravitate AWAY from action figures and tv shows and tv in general. they are finding their entertainment elsewhere. hell, some of the most popular stuff on youtube now are people playing video games and commenting on them.

If hollywood doesn't figure out that people don't like their products, they won't be around for the next generation. things just don't catch on like they used to, and I Think that is bad. it means that nothing is imaginative anymore to spark the creative fire.

[CyberCubed]

kids are starting to gravitate AWAY from action figures and tv shows and tv in general. they are finding their entertainment elsewhere. hell, some of the most popular stuff on youtube now are people playing video games and commenting on them.

If hollywood doesn't figure out that people don't like their products, they won't be around for the next generation. things just don't catch on like they used to, and I Think that is bad. it means that nothing is imaginative anymore to spark the creative fire.

Because online streaming, youtube, etc. exists.

You're a 40 year old man yelling at clouds. Kids today aren't going to like what any previous generation did and they don't have to. TV is dying because people watch shows online now.

What does it matter?

[newfan]

People are still watching shows, even if other than the traditional way, so there's still call for them.

I don't think it's that people expect shows to be exactly the same in every way as their version (okay not all people), you know they'll develop, it's just at the moment this particular look/type is very different and ugly to some. Anyway as pointed out it's what they think kids currently like, it will change again. Saying that though, my 6-yr-old likes the action type toons... There's room for variation even if this type gets more populaity.

So, how long did the last one last? 1 season, 2?
and how many HE-MAN reboots were there? 2? I remember catching sight of one when channel surfing back in around 96 I think.

I don't know, if they want to do this sort of thing, maybe just do totally new things?

I don't think I care enough to be arguing with people over it.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Because online streaming, youtube, etc. exists.

You're a 40 year old man yelling at clouds. Kids today aren't going to like what any previous generation did and they don't have to. TV is dying because people watch shows online now.

What does it matter?

Some people are obsessed with that everything has to be like during their childhood.

[newfan]

Some people are obsessed with that everything has to be like during their childhood.

Speaking of (sorry to come off topic) Mark Hamil tweeted something like 'May ep 9 be perfect and not ruin anyone's childhood' I found that funny.

I get people can feel something they like has been damaged as in what is has become but I don't quite get the 'ruined childhood'. Unless Rise has the ability to wipe an OT (or other version) ep from existence every time it airs :)

[Vegita-San]

Some people are obsessed with that everything has to be like during their childhood.

and some people are weirdo's,(not you, you're quoted quote there) obsessed with peoples age, thinking it matters. people of ANY age can recognize crap. even the people working on it.

hopefully those talented people will land on their feet to something better, rather than populate tv land with this un imaginative crap.

Speaking of (sorry to come off topic) Mark Hamil tweeted something like 'May ep 9 be perfect and not ruin anyone's childhood' I found that funny.

I get people can feel something they like has been damaged as in what is has become but I don't quite get the 'ruined childhood'. Unless Rise has the ability to wipe an OT (or other version) ep from existence every time it airs :)



Star wars is the rare example where I Think it CAN ruin a child hood experience.
all that struggle of the rebel alliance basically meant nothing. they lost in the end and luke destroyed himself into a bitter old man. it's the literal definition of crapping on someones child hood. take the most happy and selfless character, and totally change him into something he's not.

even 30 years of eu didn't do that to luke after all the tradgedy he witnessed. and he was still a very likeable character right up to the very end. the last jedi undid all that with one flash back. when you go back and watch the old movies, it's harder to enjoy them a little bit, because you know what their 'official' future leads to. something a bit depressing and pointless.

[TigerClaw]

Some people are are obsessed with characters they grown up with from the original. And want to see them all grown up rather then starting all over again with a reboot.

I know many here like myself. Have grown up with the FW TMNT. and wish we see that continue and show us what they are like as adults. They can't be teenagers forever.

I can understand why people are upset about this ThunderCats reboot. Cause they think its tarnishing the legacy of the original. By making complete fun at it.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Star Wars isn't a remake or reboot. It's the same story continuing.

[newfan]

Star wars is the rare example where I Think it CAN ruin a child hood experience.
all that struggle of the rebel alliance basically meant nothing. they lost in the end and luke destroyed himself into a bitter old man. it's the literal definition of crapping on someones child hood. take the most happy and selfless character, and totally change him into something he's not.
.

I shouldn't have brought SW to this thread really, (sorry peeps) it is a different thing (as pointed out above) in that it continues the story and version of 'our characters' With these toons they are all their own incarnations of the characters. I think I may just be taking 'ruined childhood' a bit too literally, people may just likely mean something they have enjoyed seems ruined or them

[CyberCubed]

Star wars is the rare example where I Think it CAN ruin a child hood experience.
all that struggle of the rebel alliance basically meant nothing. they lost in the end and luke destroyed himself into a bitter old man. it's the literal definition of crapping on someones child hood. take the most happy and selfless character, and totally change him into something he's not.

even 30 years of eu didn't do that to luke after all the tradgedy he witnessed. and he was still a very likeable character right up to the very end. the last jedi undid all that with one flash back. when you go back and watch the old movies, it's harder to enjoy them a little bit, because you know what their 'official' future leads to. something a bit depressing and pointless.

Wow, it's almost like this is what happens in wars and with countries in real life.

[IndigoErth]

Some people are are obsessed with characters they grown up with from the original. And want to see them all grown up rather then starting all over again with a reboot.

I know many here like myself. Have grown up with the FW TMNT. and wish we see that continue and show us what they are like as adults. They can't be teenagers forever.

I can understand why people are upset about this ThunderCats reboot. Cause they think its tarnishing the legacy of the original. By making complete fun at it.
Agree for the most part. I don't need TMNT to be the FW version (I'd rather lean toward a 2003-ish style if anything), but I do get tired of reboot after reboot and would rather just a continuation. Change art style and even tone (to an extent) per series, fine... but not in a way that makes it look foolish. I never really had any attachment to Thundercats and did not watch it very often as a kid, but taking something more serious as it was and turning it into something that looks so foolish is still rather off-putting. Same for TMNT, but well.. I guess we can say that it at least isn't this bad. :roll:

If makers really are losing kids attention, then maybe someday they really will wake up and change course and put a bit more focus on a viable adult audience they can still draw with these older properties.

For the time being in this fad of such foolish looking nonsense... Is it really so hard to come up with original shows to use that style for?

[Allio]

Wow it looks like garbage

[Vegita-San]

reading some comments. supposedly that victor guy is on twitter trashing the original show and it's fans. just like most reboot creators seem to do these days when producing crap.

can't seem to find evidence of this though. maybe someone here will hit pay dirt.

[Vegita-San]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdrKCYYUQAAVku4.jpg:large

[plastroncafe]

Get the original voice cast back, and I am all over that.

[newfan]

I found this in relation to the new show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qi41rHz4ps

[ZariusTwo]

I found this in relation to the new show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qi41rHz4ps

Ancient news of evil

[Candy Kappa]

That Nico guy isn't a part of Roar? So who cares?

[Vegita-San]

I thought he was staff on the show? The way it was posted made it seem like it.

If I'm wrong, I'll delete it. but if there is one like that with possible staffers trashing folks, there are probably others.

[Candy Kappa]

Nope, he's not staff. He was just being sassy with some whiny man-babies on twitter and got pegged as a showrunner by them,yet never made any such claims.

[ProactiveMan]

People criticized the cartoons of my youth for promoting an unobtainable body image, because the characters looked like bodybuilders. By that logic, I put it to you that kids these days will grow up thinking that they need to look like plates of salmon moose.

[Voltron]

Now Thundercats fans are knowing what some of the TMNT fans feel about there new series.

I'm not quite onboard with these designs. and the fact its not taking itself seriously. This is basically another Teen Titans Go. But based on a beloved 80s cartoon.

I thought you were joking. I still wish you were.

[Sumac]

People criticized the cartoons of my youth for promoting an unobtainable body image, because the characters looked like bodybuilders. By that logic, I put it to you that kids these days will grow up thinking that they need to look like plates of salmon moose.
Really? I've heard different things about old cartoon, but this one I am certainly not familiar with. Sounds like another bad case of "soccer moms".

[Vegita-San]

sounds more like a 2018 thing to complain about

[Sumac]

sounds more like a 2018 thing to complain about
The more things change the more they stay the same.

[newfan]

Nostalgia got the better of me, I introduced my children and watched the first ep on Amazon Prime yesterday.

[the fixer]

Dude, that producer's bringing back the garbage bag hairstyle.
Good for him.

I think I'm gonna sit this one out, along with 'Rise of the TMNT'.

[Papenbrook]

Dude, that producer's bringing back the garbage bag hairstyle.
Good for him.

Wh-What are you talking about?

[the fixer]

Wh-What are you talking about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qi41rHz4ps

[Papenbrook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qi41rHz4ps

I ... still don't know what you're talking about.

[BartAllen]

That man-bun is hilarious. It doesn't work on the hobbit behind the show at all.

[the fixer]

Papenbrook, it was a reference to what Mikey says to Bebop in 'Out of the Shadows'

The hip hairdo that guy sports, the tail right on top of the head with the rest buzzed off is sometimes referred to as a garbage bag hairdo.

Anyway, it was just a lame joke. It sure wasn't my intention to offend anyone with said hairstyle...

[Vegita-San]

Anyway, it was just a lame joke. It sure wasn't my intention to offend anyone with said hairstyle...

people get upset at anything these days. no one is immune to it. the best you ignore this, the better off you will be.

i was trying to find a photo of this victor guy to show a radio friend of mine who is more up on current trends than I am. and i came across this.

my god, this guy either really can't draw...is proud of his fugly looking art...or is just so happy with his own style, that he can't see how displeasing most find it. what the hell is up with worf's lips? size of planks.
https://media.giphy.com/media/y4gpqIbA1FA5O/giphy.gif

[the fixer]

Yeah, it ain't my cup of tea either...
I'm sure kids love it though. And, since they're the target audience, I guess that's all that really matters to the networks.

Too bad for us old geezers. :)

[Sumac]

Nostalgia got the better of me, I introduced my children and watched the first ep on Amazon Prime yesterday.
Of the old series or a new one?

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

This show does look terrible... and it would not surprise me if it's a hit with kids. :-(?

The problem is, that thundercats 2011 was given a shifting time slot, lack of advertisement from CN, and halfway through the first season, received a terrible several-month hiatus that basically killed the series momentum. I believe, that early into the series's run, cartoon Network received an offer from Lego to host their legends of chima show (with an eerily similar premise), and moved to strangle Thundercats in it's cradle. The bad time slots and hiatus killed the show's momentum, hurting toy sales from Bandai (who WB went with for the toyline, instead of goign to, say, MATTEL who has experience with this kind of toyline) and the CN execs had the excuse to pull the plug.

And I can't say for sure, but I know early in the production process of T-cats 2011 there was an idea of reviving Thundercats as a magical rock band. I wonder if, just maybe, some BRILLIANT exec who pitched that million dollar idea (sarcasm) and watched it get turned down in favor of more faithful show, did everything he could to get thundercats 2011 scrapped out of spite (hence the bad time slot, hiatus, etc.) just an amusing thought...

[Vegita-San]

And I can't say for sure, but I know early in the production process of T-cats 2011 there was an idea of reviving Thundercats as a magical rock band. I wonder if, just maybe, some BRILLIANT exec who pitched that million dollar idea (sarcasm) and watched it get turned down in favor of more faithful show, did everything he could to get thundercats 2011 scrapped out of spite (hence the bad time slot, hiatus, etc.) just an amusing thought...

the thundercats where a human rock band on modern day earth. and only turned to thundercats, when the lead human found the sword of omens and did the famous call.

it would not surprise me one bit if the above scenario where true.

this sounds like just as bad and disrespectful an idea.

it's an odd thing. all these franchises where created to make money. only time and a well done series turns it into nostalgia when things where done with care and love. and now we are trashing basically the same business idea. go figure :)

[Utrommaniac]

I realized recently that there's probably going to be a trend in style and marketing if a show is <Show's title first>: <Verb>

Teen Titans: Go
Thundercats: Roar

I think Rise of the TMNT escapes this because it puts the verb first. If it were
TMNT: Rise, we should be very afraid, but that's not what happened.

[newfan]

Of the old series or a new one?

The original, they are interested in watching further. They took interest in the sight of 2011 also so can explore that too.

As for the other posts, what is it with kids networks and all the long breaks?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I realized recently that there's probably going to be a trend in style and marketing if a show is <Show's title first>: <Verb>

Teen Titans: Go
Thundercats: Roar

I think Rise of the TMNT escapes this because it puts the verb first. If it were
TMNT: Rise, we should be very afraid, but that's not what happened.


We should still worry, IMO:

TMNT: we called it "Rise of" because we couldn't use "TMNT: Go!".

[IndigoErth]

people get upset at anything these days. no one is immune to it. the best you ignore this, the better off you will be.

i was trying to find a photo of this victor guy to show a radio friend of mine who is more up on current trends than I am. and i came across this.

my god, this guy either really can't draw...is proud of his fugly looking art...or is just so happy with his own style, that he can't see how displeasing most find it. what the hell is up with worf's lips? size of planks.
https://media.giphy.com/media/y4gpqIbA1FA5O/giphy.gif
The hell...? Opened it in ImageReady to view individual frames. (Here ya go. lol) Lips are, uh, a weird choice to do that to...

https://i.imgur.com/8LpwJgV.jpg

(Though I dare him to make a PD Mikey version of it...)

[the fixer]

Just wanted to add...

If this would've been a little parody segment in a show à la Robot Chicken or something, or like what Star Wars Detours was gonna be, I would've been perfectly fine with it...
But as the official new iteration of our beloved Thundercats, after the two great shows that we've had... no. Just no.

I sincerely hope that they're planning to do something else, like a live action movie or something to wash all this away.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Just wanted to add...

If this would've been a little parody segment in a show à la Robot Chicken or something, or like what Star Wars Detours was gonna be, I would've been perfectly fine with it...
But as the official new iteration of our beloved Thundercats, after the two great shows that we've had... no. Just no.

I sincerely hope that they're planning to do something else, like a live action movie or something to wash all this away.

well said. I am still so sore that we never got season 2 of the 2011 version:cry:

[newfan]

I'd check out a live action movie if one was ever made.

[TigerClaw]

I'd check out a live action movie if one was ever made.
a CGI movie of the Thundercats was almost made years ago.

This was test footage from Warner Bros for what could have been a CGI Thundercats movie.

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[IndigoErth]

If Marvel or someone like that handled a live action film, that could be pretty decent.

[TommyT]

NECRO POST!!!!

The first two episodes are on Cartoon Network.

So, what did everybody think?

[newfan]

I had a feeling it had started seen as talk popped up on twitter. Not sure if it is out here but I'm not really interested in taking a look at it.

[drgon78]

Horrible, hateful, pointless, piece of garbage is the nicest thing I can say about this one.

[TommyT]

Horrible, hateful, pointless, piece of garbage is the nicest thing I can say about this one.

So you saw it!!!

[Dejablue]

I watched the first two episodes. It...well it certainly does exist.

I thought the robot bears were funny. Nothing else was funny. I just don't get why this exists. TC fans won't like this. Casual people won't like this unless its ironically, and kids won't like this.

Actually I'll take back that last statement. Kids like Teen Titans Go so they COULD like this.

[neatoman]

This show turned out to be bad, as expected but not for the reasons I expected it to. I thought it was going to turn out to be annoying and lacking in effort, but there was clearly effort put into the animation and nothing really irks me enough to call it annoying, so those would not be accurate criticisms. It did however turn out to be really boring and ugly. The ten minute episodes have really weird pacing, making them feel like they're closer to 40, maybe it just feels like that because they're unfunny and just fail to give us a reason to care about the characters? And when I say it's ugly, I don't mean the actual animation is bad, I mean that the character models are really ugly to look at and distort in ways that make them even uglier (the times the lips get enlarged are especially gross).

If I were to describe this crap simply, I'd say it feels like a two-minute Thundercats parody on Youtube stretched out to be 10 times longer.

[TommyT]

The real question is, would you want the action figures?

[Shark_Blade]

Dislike it.

Moving on to other better things.

[TommyT]

wow. I thought this would have created a bigger uproar, instead, is barely sqeaked into existence. nobody gives a flaming ****.

Why the hell couldn't we all have done the same for Rise, just, ignored that garbage and killed it with indifference?

[turtle1237]

I blame Teen Titans Go for this. After Teen titans Go "Success", Every Superhero type of show wanted there own version of this type of comedy of spoofing a great or good work.

Thundarcats was just the next victim.

[Cure]

I like how you put success in quotes like it isn't one.

[Voltron]

The fact that it's still all over my Neftlix AND Youtube suggestions list certainly suggests a certain level of achievement.

[Candy Kappa]

A comedic spin-off show having 6 seasons and a feature film, seems successful to me.

[turtle1237]

A comedic spin-off show having 6 seasons and a feature film, seems successful to me.

If you look at it that way. Than yes, but even the Titan Titans go in there episodes admitted most every one hates em in that one true fan episode. Even the true fan prefers Old Titans over Go. Yes its making em lots of money with there fart jokes and gags at the expense of being classy. But just because its making a killing money wise, does not mean its loved. I hate the show myself, but some how, some way the show gets watch, brings in the cash, even gets a feature film in theaters that the first titans cartoon failed to do.

I JUST DONT GET IT, on how it lasted so long. When I first saw it, I was like ok, it will last a season, maybe 2, but that is it. But it keeps going on and on. And before I know it, other Super hero cartoon shows are following this format. To see comic book cartoons take a serious tone from X-Men, Batman ete in the 90's, to being spoof in the 2010's and making money?

This is coming from a guy that loves him some SpaceGhost, but not coast to coast lol.

[Cure]

Kids love it. Their target audience. It's not hard to figure out. Hence, it's a success.

Or you can just being in deniable, it's whatevs.

[ZariusTwo]

If you look at it that way. Than yes, but even the Titan Titans go in there episodes admitted most every one hates em in that one true fan episode.

Even The Simpsons has the occasional moment in their seasons where they admit they've been on way too long and aren't to their older fans' tastes anymore. It's called self-deprecation.

To see comic book cartoons take a serious tone from X-Men, Batman ete in the 90's, to being spoof in the 2010's and making money?

Exactly how many cartoons are doing that? Some have really stupid art styles, but DC largely stick to the direct-to-DVD movies for their mature storytelling

Batman went silly with Brave and the Bold also, way before TTG was even a thing. It was hated back in the day but eventually became highly regarded in it's own right once the fans got older and learned about silver age comics.

This is coming from a guy that loves him some SpaceGhost, but not coast to coast lol.

Coast to Coast arguably became the definitive take on the character. Any attempt at relaunching him as a "serious" hero failed after that.

And the original Teen Titans had the exact same humour as Go, only less gross, there's a lot of silly episodes in addition to the classy/edgier ones.

[Candy Kappa]

As Cure said, kids love it. But also, the show is chalk full of meta jokes, cameos and Easter eggs for older or more invested fans.

[TommyT]

As Cure said, kids love it. But also, the show is chalk full of meta jokes, cameos and Easter eggs for older or more invested fans.

Yeah, but Titans succeeds where Roar fails. Titans simplified the relationships and design and it was effective.

Roar plays as bad fan art. What could have been funny, falls flat. All the obvious jokes are the only jokes, and its cringe.

Do you like cringe?

[turtle1237]

Even The Simpsons has the occasional moment in their seasons where they admit they've been on way too long and aren't to their older fans' tastes anymore. It's called self-deprecation.



Exactly how many cartoons are doing that? Some have really stupid art styles, but DC largely stick to the direct-to-DVD movies for their mature storytelling

Batman went silly with Brave and the Bold also, way before TTG was even a thing. It was hated back in the day but eventually became highly regarded in it's own right once the fans got older and learned about silver age comics.



Coast to Coast arguably became the definitive take on the character. Any attempt at relaunching him as a "serious" hero failed after that.

And the original Teen Titans had the exact same humour as Go, only less gross, there's a lot of silly episodes in addition to the classy/edgier ones.

But I never though the Brave and the Bold was Teen titans Go silly, it was really just a throw back to 1950's Batman and that era. The over the top plots of the villains', Hell in the 50's the Justice League and the villains' did have a baseball game in one of there comics, with the bad guys doing there best to cheat to win. I loved it they brought story ark back in the Brave and the Bold. I was like wow, I read that comic, There was no I want Pie, or fart Jokes, or Robin and Raven Shaking there butts, Even Batman in the Brave and the Bold was what Batman should be, a trouble man, standing up to injustice with a silver age twist. The show did not insult the older fans, it paid homage to my grandfather's day(He loved it when it aired and was still around) Talk smack about the Silver Age all you want, but if you want a modern comic book tv show that shows the Silver Age for what it was, than look no farther than the Brave and the Bold.

The Brave and the Bold were FAR from a Teen Titans Go thing. Hell you be lucky to get them to fight crime over pizza.

[TommyT]

... Even Batman in the Brave and the Bold was what Batman should be, a troubled man...

I’m not sure I read any Batman portrayal as obviously troubled. It’s always, he was a victim, but he was a kid, and now he’s fighting the bad people, to help the good that aren’t able to help themselves.

That could be interesting - if the Batman is just as troubled as the Joker was in Joker.

[Leo656]

Batman is indeed quite a disturbed individual much of the time. Moreso since the late-70s, and the Animated Series has him portrayed as a bit more jocular and laid back, but in the comics all the sh*t he's seen and been through has left him pretty banged-up, mentally.

That said, the B&B cartoon was able to present him as merely "driven" and still completely bang the nail and give a completely accurate portrayal. At a glance, I wanted to hate that show given the way it outwardly skewed younger and away from the terrific TAS version, but despite the 1950s aesthetic it does a great job at representing not just Batman, but the entire DCU in a faithful and even reverent manner. It's "for kids" without ever talking down to them, or aiming low, or being dumb for dumb's sake. It's a great show that ANY DC fan should be able to get into, and I'm really pleasantly surprised even now at how they managed to do that.

Teen Titans Go and this... thing, simply don't hit the same marks and are definitely aiming at a much lower bar. And I really, really hate when people dismiss anything with "It's for kids, so whatever," because all that does is give the people making these shows an excuse not to try hard. And why shouldn't they try hard? The original Thundercats was "for kids", too, and while it's not a flawless show by any means it's a million miles better than this thing.

It's like the news about the new "Dolittle" movie, where the studio insisted they put in a bunch of fart and poopie jokes during re-shoots, to "make it more for kids". That kind of attitude is SO infuriating on multiple levels. Not only does it assume that kids are stupid and only like stupid things - often true, but NOT always true - but by using that as an excuse to half-ass something, you exclude anyone who's not a booger-eating waterhead from ever enjoying your product, and why would you do that?

"It's for kids anyway, f*ck it" is a crap way of thinking about anything. There's never any excuse not to give your best effort every time.

[turtle1237]

Batman is indeed quite a disturbed individual much of the time. Moreso since the late-70s, and the Animated Series has him portrayed as a bit more jocular and laid back, but in the comics all the sh*t he's seen and been through has left him pretty banged-up, mentally.

That said, the B&B cartoon was able to present him as merely "driven" and still completely bang the nail and give a completely accurate portrayal. At a glance, I wanted to hate that show given the way it outwardly skewed younger and away from the terrific TAS version, but despite the 1950s aesthetic it does a great job at representing not just Batman, but the entire DCU in a faithful and even reverent manner. It's "for kids" without ever talking down to them, or aiming low, or being dumb for dumb's sake. It's a great show that ANY DC fan should be able to get into, and I'm really pleasantly surprised even now at how they managed to do that.

Teen Titans Go and this... thing, simply don't hit the same marks and are definitely aiming at a much lower bar. And I really, really hate when people dismiss anything with "It's for kids, so whatever," because all that does is give the people making these shows an excuse not to try hard. And why shouldn't they try hard? The original Thundercats was "for kids", too, and while it's not a flawless show by any means it's a million miles better than this thing.

It's like the news about the new "Dolittle" movie, where the studio insisted they put in a bunch of fart and poopie jokes during re-shoots, to "make it more for kids". That kind of attitude is SO infuriating on multiple levels. Not only does it assume that kids are stupid and only like stupid things - often true, but NOT always true - but by using that as an excuse to half-ass something, you exclude anyone who's not a booger-eating waterhead from ever enjoying your product, and why would you do that?

"It's for kids anyway, f*ck it" is a crap way of thinking about anything. There's never any excuse not to give your best effort every time.

When I was growing up, many shows that were "Just" for kids were top notch "For it's day"

Batman the animated series, X-Men, Superman, Hell even in my younger baby years, I LOVED Inspector Gadget, even had a
T-Shirt, the shows had effort and hard work in em. And in the 2000's, shows like the Last Airbender( Not the movie) and Korra were amazing works. top These shows had top animated (Again for the Time) top stories and emotion.

If you just look at Teen Titan's Go animated wise vs Teen Titans, forget the fart jokes and gags in Go, you can see a LOT of effort was in making Teen Titans, and low quality were in Teen Titans Go.

I cant used shows like He-man because of reuse stock animated, but over all the animated of back than had a lot more effort, and am in horror that I not seeing it getting push to the next level. Hell even the 80's cartoons were better looking.

[TommyT]

I’ll take He-mans rotomation over anything CN debuted this year.

[Leo656]

I love Rotoscoping, I don't even care.

[turtle1237]

Its not the Rotoscoping of He-man which makes me not put it in the top of animation quality of the 80's, Its more that they used STOCK footage for scenes, walking, jumping and other stuff, I understand they did it to save money, but take other show like Inspector Gadget, ever moment was a new cell, every time Gadget used his gadgets, needed to be redrawn for that scene, no stock footage.

Transformers, didn't used stock footage, every time they transform, They had to animated it again and again, they could of done the cheap route and used the stock footage. I have no hate for 80's He-man, but if I had to compare it animation wise to its other 80's shows counterparts, it does need to take a hit for its reused of stock footage.

Rotoscoping on its own did push animation to its next level, but I think MOVIES like Fire and Ice and Heavy Metal made far more used of that tactic than He-man though. The 2 mention movies were really a treat for the eyes in regards to Rotoscoping at its best.

[Leo656]

I unashamedly don't care about the stock footage either. Never did.

[drgon78]

I don't mind stock footage if it is well animated.

I miss Rotoscoping.:(

[Leo656]

In thinking about it some more, I'm possibly influenced by upbringing and environment. At the same early age I was watching He-Man, I was also watching the old George Reeves Superman show, with a whopping total of two different flying shots over six seasons. Or the Ghostbusters Filmation cartoon which spent three minutes per episode on the long, drawn-out "Let's Go, Ghostbusters!" transformation scene. :lol: Stuff like that was prevalent in TV and films up until fairly recently, in the grand scheme of things.

It's not that I and others didn't notice. Of course we noticed. I just said, "Dad, why does that happen sometimes?" and he explained that stuff costs money, and if they save a little bit over here then they get to make more shows. I got a new He-Man episode every day for years and was happy with that, so the economics of the whole thing were perfectly fine with me. I didn't care if it was always the Exact Same Punch animation, it just looked cool.

The only thing that annoyed me about that show at the time was that more toy characters didn't show up (which was also explained to me why not, I just wasn't thrilled about it), and that a lot of episodes were spent on random characters who seemed a little bit too generic for the fiction.

Some of the episodes aren't very well-written but I feel like once you accept the style of its production the rest generally holds up. I get why some people simply can't get past that sort of stuff, but I also kinda feel it's a little unfair. Standards have changed for one thing, and for another, by the standards of its day it was by far the slickest animated series ever produced up to that point. The overall look, the music, and how "clean" the art style was were way ahead of anything that had been done before; since it was still the very early 80s, obviously later shows had much better production but it still deserves a lot of credit for how much it raised the bar when it was fresh. The "recycling" in some areas allowed them to put more resources into things like music and visual effects. So to me, it all evens out.

For me, everything about the show is why it's so iconic and memorable, and even fun. I mean, New Adventures of He-Man had literally none of the limitations of the original Filmation series, and it's definitely better than its own reputation, but who even remembers it? One could argue that they simply changed everything too much, to the point it had no resemblance to "He-Man" at all anymore, but while I'd agree with that (it's a big reason I didn't care for it at the time), I'd also say that it was just bland. For as much as people make jokes about the recycled animation and stock footage in the original show, it was memorable. There was nothing memorable at all about New Adventures, even though as its own thing it's actually not bad at all.

I'unno. To me, it's a case of a thing managing to be greater than the sum of its parts and limitations.

[turtle1237]

In thinking about it some more, I'm possibly influenced by upbringing and environment. At the same early age I was watching He-Man, I was also watching the old George Reeves Superman show, with a whopping total of two different flying shots over six seasons. Or the Ghostbusters Filmation cartoon which spent three minutes per episode on the long, drawn-out "Let's Go, Ghostbusters!" transformation scene. :lol: Stuff like that was prevalent in TV and films up until fairly recently, in the grand scheme of things.

It's not that I and others didn't notice. Of course we noticed. I just said, "Dad, why does that happen sometimes?" and he explained that stuff costs money, and if they save a little bit over here then they get to make more shows. I got a new He-Man episode every day for years and was happy with that, so the economics of the whole thing were perfectly fine with me. I didn't care if it was always the Exact Same Punch animation, it just looked cool.

The only thing that annoyed me about that show at the time was that more toy characters didn't show up (which was also explained to me why not, I just wasn't thrilled about it), and that a lot of episodes were spent on random characters who seemed a little bit too generic for the fiction.

Some of the episodes aren't very well-written but I feel like once you accept the style of its production the rest generally holds up. I get why some people simply can't get past that sort of stuff, but I also kinda feel it's a little unfair. Standards have changed for one thing, and for another, by the standards of its day it was by far the slickest animated series ever produced up to that point. The overall look, the music, and how "clean" the art style was were way ahead of anything that had been done before; since it was still the very early 80s, obviously later shows had much better production but it still deserves a lot of credit for how much it raised the bar when it was fresh. The "recycling" in some areas allowed them to put more resources into things like music and visual effects. So to me, it all evens out.

For me, everything about the show is why it's so iconic and memorable, and even fun. I mean, New Adventures of He-Man had literally none of the limitations of the original Filmation series, and it's definitely better than its own reputation, but who even remembers it? One could argue that they simply changed everything too much, to the point it had no resemblance to "He-Man" at all anymore, but while I'd agree with that (it's a big reason I didn't care for it at the time), I'd also say that it was just bland. For as much as people make jokes about the recycled animation and stock footage in the original show, it was memorable. There was nothing memorable at all about New Adventures, even though as its own thing it's actually not bad at all.

I'unno. To me, it's a case of a thing managing to be greater than the sum of its parts and limitations.

I have nothing against them saving money, I am just saying that comparing He-man vs other top 80's cartoons of the era animation wise, He-man should take a hit in stock footage vs C.O.P.S or Thundarr.

[Leo656]

You might be ahead on principle but then fall a step behind on points, simply because "nobody" remembers those shows until someone brings them up. They can be technically superior to many shows of that decade, but they were just a blip on the radar in the grand scheme of things compared to shows like Thundercats or He-Man. For all their limitations, those shows are iconic and memorable in a way that a lot of "better" and better-produced shows from that decade simply won't ever be.

I don't exclusively grade on technical achievement, personally. It's data, it's a factor, but it shouldn't be the only factor. Things don't work that way. For all their shortcomings, there are a lot of reasons why shows like MOTU, Thundercats, TMNT and Transformers are at or near the top of the list whenever people talk about "classic" shows from that era, and those reasons have nothing to do with animation quality or production values. Meanwhile, a lot of slicker shows with much better production are way down the list of the collective consciousness, and it's not at all because they were bad. Maybe it's not fair, but It Is What It Is. People will still be talking about He-Man and Thundercats when most other 80s shows are a long-forgotten memory. So in the end... does it really matter which shows had the better production values or the higher budget or the slicker animation? I'm not so sure, myself. Maybe it's the carny 'rassler in me, but I think at the end of the day, if you can entertain your audience with a Less Is More philosophy, and everyone still goes home happy, then everybody wins and nobody loses. You've entertained people, regardless. If you've given them something they fondly remember, then you've done your job well, period.

When people in the Here And Now discuss older cartoons, I find a lot of "Show X was Bad because it was cheap, and Show Y was Great because it was much more slick and polished", and that's an oversimplification. OR - and I'm not saying anyone here is saying it, but it has been said a lot in the past - there's sometimes an implication that some of us simply didn't notice the limitations of some of those shows back then, and are therefore somehow "thick" or something for enjoying them sincerely, when we absolutely did and we absolutely weren't. Rather, "That's the way it was, and we liked it!" :tlol:

But that's why I always feel compelled to point out that, as someone who was there, we weren't grading our shows based on how many recycled frames of stock footage they used or didn't use. At least, nobody *I* knew was. I never experienced any of those kinds of conversations until like 2001, and I didn't much care for them then, either. :trazz:

I'm generally pretty forgiving of stuff from any era and can judge it by its contemporary standard. The only show I have a hard time getting into nowadays is Transformers. I missed most of it when it was fresh and I really want to like it, but the original show just doesn't grab me, and I think it's because it's just kinda dumb. Not "bad", just... I don't know, it doesn't hold my attention for some reason even though I like the concept. Very few 80s cartoons are boring or tedious, for me, but I can't seem to really get into that one. :ohwell:

[ZariusTwo]

Thundercats Roar starts it's tv run on Saturday February 22nd, 10:30 AM with "Exodus Parts One and Two", followed up the week after by "The Legend of Boggy Ben" and "Prank Call" on February 29th.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/02/04/thundercats-roar-lion-o-his-team-protect-third-earth-starting-this-month-preview/

[TommyT]

Thundercats Roar starts it's tv run on Saturday February 22nd, 10:30 AM with "Exodus Parts One and Two", followed up the week after by "The Legend of Boggy Ben" and "Prank Call" on February 29th.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/02/04/thundercats-roar-lion-o-his-team-protect-third-earth-starting-this-month-preview/

It’s dead already.

[IndigoErth]

Checked out the first two online. Um.

Though I watched some of the original as a kid, all I can say is that I'm glad I don't have any real attachment to this series. Because as a diehard Turtles fan in the age of 'Rise,' diehard Thundercats fans have my sympathy and understanding. But at the very least I suppose we're fortunate that 'Rise' did not go with this kind of design, similar to that one set of summer shorts that were done...

Is there a trend in reboots (at least this sort of reboot) with dumbing down the leader character...? (Including 'Rise' Leo since Leo is otherwise the leader boy in the franchise.) I mean, damn, what did they do to Lion-o.

[turtle1237]

Checked out the first two online. Um.

Though I watched some of the original as a kid, all I can say is that I'm glad I don't have any real attachment to this series. Because as a diehard Turtles fan in the age of 'Rise,' diehard Thundercats fans have my sympathy and understanding. But at the very least I suppose we're fortunate that 'Rise' did not go with this kind of design, similar to that one set of summer shorts that were done...

Is there a trend in reboots (at least this sort of reboot) with dumbing down the leader character...? (Including 'Rise' Leo since Leo is otherwise the leader boy in the franchise.) I mean, damn, what did they do to Lion-o.

I am a fan of many Cartoons, Thundarr, Speed Racer, Ninja Turtles, the 80's, 2003, and even the 2012 series, Even 80's He-man. And I love both the 80's Thundercats and the remake in 2010? I think it was? A shame it lasted 1 mere season though.

Lets say that Thundercats Roar does hurt me, a LOT. Just like Teen Titans Go does.

[TommyT]

Checked out the first two online. Um.

Though I watched some of the original as a kid, all I can say is that I'm glad I don't have any real attachment to this series. Because as a diehard Turtles fan in the age of 'Rise,' diehard Thundercats fans have my sympathy and understanding. But at the very least I suppose we're fortunate that 'Rise' did not go with this kind of design, similar to that one set of summer shorts that were done...

Is there a trend in reboots (at least this sort of reboot) with dumbing down the leader character...? (Including 'Rise' Leo since Leo is otherwise the leader boy in the franchise.) I mean, damn, what did they do to Lion-o.

This is where the anger towards SJW characters comes from. Now you get it.

[Leo656]

I'm a huge Thundercats guy and this sh*t legit makes me want to hit my finish on whoever's responsible for it. I won't call it, either, I'd just f*ckin' spike the bastard and let them figure out the why of it later on.

[TommyT]

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NHlnAXQ_sPA/Wx8JH0-7mbI/AAAAAAAAYAU/Y704FRhcvvcwYF-RbhRi4NSePpUg9a4WwCLcBGAs/s1600/DbWybc9.png

[IndigoErth]

It's a little dumbfounding how a lot of the people behind this kind of stuff these days grew up with the old stuff they're rebooting. Like, okay, you want to freshen it up, but my god, wtf happened that cartoons and the art of them went in this dumbed down direction.


Whoa whoa whoa... now I'm esp baffled after I looked up the names of the guys Wikipedia lists as the developers/producers of this show and one of them has done a little writing or whatnot for Teen Titans Go! (no surprise there)...but also wrote for the Batman vs TMNT move. What... how. I mean credit for being versatile, but how... Now my head hurts. Guess we're lucky that movie didn't end up sounding like this Thundercats and was pretty awesome.

[TommyT]

The problem of Thundercats is, that its so stupid, it’s awesome.
It’s hard to recreate that vibe today. Nothing today has the x factor that allowed us to accept naked cat people from another planet. It is still awesome, all these years later, but what made it great is a complete mystery.

I mean, unless you acknowledge beautiful animation is important. Yeah, but who needs that.

What’s really amazing, is that the guy above is exactly who you would picture helming this dumpster fire.

[Leo656]

I never get a chance to talk about my stainless steel Sword Of Omens and I figure this is as good a place as any.

...I have a stainless steel Sword Of Omens. It is amazing, but too tall to hold aloft indoors.

Not really relevant to the conversation, I just really never get a chance to talk about it and I think it's pretty neat.

[TommyT]

Wheres the video review?

[IndigoErth]

And a pic, hello?

[Leo656]

Wheres the video review?

:lol: Oh, you. That made me chuckle.

I swear I do have a couple pics on FB though, I'll look after work. I need to take some pictures with my He-Man sword, too. Kinda had to wait for an assault charge against me to get dropped, technically not supposed to own any weapons and I didn't wanna press my luck. Rebel! :lol:

It's supposed to be all done now though so I can finally take new pics. Whooooo.

[Leo656]

I found some old pics from when I got it back in 2012 or so.

https://scontent.fewr1-5.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/551727_260148014084865_2013374020_n.jpg?_nc_cat=10 4&_nc_ohc=7kqqg4DUVKkAX9drymJ&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-5.fna&oh=8c33a198cd3c4a87e5072d25954005c3&oe=5EBF7862

https://scontent.fewr1-6.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/252198_260148497418150_25063016_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ohc=rDgj6OGqsDsAX-Lor7n&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-6.fna&oh=afbcd0ac793e77a1babf78c3a27d2d1c&oe=5ED15535

https://scontent.fewr1-6.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/8056_260148587418141_1358038954_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=YRf6CUsxVkAAX8CMA26&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-6.fna&oh=0d1f57b51750efdef76e50a7d6fea274&oe=5EC70C55

https://scontent.fewr1-6.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/599194_260148974084769_1152521809_n.jpg?_nc_cat=10 6&_nc_ohc=8MFTQfPxvk4AX86Bgt0&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-6.fna&oh=b64bee5a2ae4c1380b5d54ae01a3b1c5&oe=5ED1A709

It's very long and pretty heavy. We actually have two, my wife wanted her own.

[Egon1982]

Oh man i saw 2 episodes, i swear this is an unfunny poorly written parody of a classic show and it's Poochie of the franchise.

[TommyT]

I found some old pics from when I got it back in 2012 or so.

https://scontent.fewr1-5.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/551727_260148014084865_2013374020_n.jpg?_nc_cat=10 4&_nc_ohc=7kqqg4DUVKkAX9drymJ&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-5.fna&oh=8c33a198cd3c4a87e5072d25954005c3&oe=5EBF7862

https://scontent.fewr1-6.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/252198_260148497418150_25063016_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ohc=rDgj6OGqsDsAX-Lor7n&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-6.fna&oh=afbcd0ac793e77a1babf78c3a27d2d1c&oe=5ED15535

https://scontent.fewr1-6.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/8056_260148587418141_1358038954_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=YRf6CUsxVkAAX8CMA26&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-6.fna&oh=0d1f57b51750efdef76e50a7d6fea274&oe=5EC70C55

https://scontent.fewr1-6.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/599194_260148974084769_1152521809_n.jpg?_nc_cat=10 6&_nc_ohc=8MFTQfPxvk4AX86Bgt0&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-6.fna&oh=b64bee5a2ae4c1380b5d54ae01a3b1c5&oe=5ED1A709

It's very long and pretty heavy. We actually have two, my wife wanted her own.

I’ve wanted a Power Sword for a long long time.

This, this is the best I’ve seen online.
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[Leo656]

Oh, my. My, my my. That's quite spiffy indeed. I imagine that would cost a penny or two. Sheez. I'unno if my pants just got tighter or if it's just my imagination.

I'm not sure if it's the exact same one as in this picture, but my wife got me one like this for my Birthday a few months ago:
https://i.etsystatic.com/19630263/r/il/621824/1786429332/il_794xN.1786429332_9wbc.jpg

It's in the other room in its box but I'm 99% certain it's the same as in this picture I Googled. I'd ask her the website she got it from but she's sleeping. The picture doesn't quite do it full justice, as it's gorgeous and hefty in person. The Sword Of Omens is heavy (and longer) but this Power Sword is a beast. She was apparently looking around for a few years for a really good one, and for the price you can't beat it. There are better ones out there but I'm pretty sure she spent $150 or less and I think this is as good as one can possibly get at that price point. There are more accurate ones that are still made of steel but obviously they're much more expensive. I'd honestly feel guilty every time I looked at it if she blew the bank on any one thing for me, no matter what it was, but this I'm very happy with. Definitely one of the best gifts ever.

So if you're less hung up on full-accuracy in exchange for a reasonable price, OR just want a "for now" one while saving up for a more authentic-looking one, I definitely recommend it. Feels great in the hand. Very powerful.
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I also have an Ocarina of Time Master Sword, also a gift, forget what year. The blade is surprisingly sharp:
https://scontent.fewr1-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/550379_260147807418219_484983710_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ohc=qTgDIi3Rvz0AX8tWqPC&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-3.fna&oh=bffce3832747a9344432e4c8c347853e&oe=5EC11D67
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https://scontent.fewr1-5.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/532860_260147630751570_8335921_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ohc=HdiYyE8mZmMAX_AAGrs&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-5.fna&oh=8d9b93d336936d325f7c9f93d3e9aaba&oe=5ED17D71

My wife legit has a sword fetish, so we accumulate swords from time to time despite having no practical use or place for them. But man, are they neat! :lol: She's got a Xena sword and chakram, a "Soul Calibur" style one, and the rest are just random generic ones. She's more into it than I am, although I'm definitely in love with the ones I have. She's just more the "any sword that looks cool" type and I'm just into replicas. I'd love a Buster Sword, a 2K He-Man Sword, a Movie He-Man Sword, and some Leo-style Katanas (or whatever they're "actually" called :trazz:), but after that I'd be pretty well-set. And even that's way more than most people have. But she'd buy whatever caught her fancy if she had the money. Bless her heart. :lol:

[IndigoErth]

Those are awesome! Thanks for sharing. :tcool:

Nothing wrong with a sword fetish. :D Always liked them myself, though I only have one. (So far?) Not anything show/entertainment inspired though. Those you guys have are quite cool.

[TommyT]

It never occured to me to go looking for a real Power Sword, I stumbled across this video a few weeks back, and yeah, once I saw it, Suddenly the idea of a group of people all fighting over a single sword, well, I get it now. lol.


I'm jealous you have those. Yours looks a lot like the "man at arms" youtube channel version. The Ocarina of Time Master Sword is the latest build on that dudes channel.

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I watch this guy as well.

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[Leo656]

Well thanks, gang. Much appreciated. :)

Nothing to be jealous of, really; lots of people blow a bonus check or tax refund on stuff they maybe don't need but want really badly. :) Our stuff is really awesome for the under-$200 price point but I've seen some stuff out there that'll get your nipples hard, if a person is willing to drop the cash. I'm awestruck by the stuff people can do.

Like the stuff in those videos, for example. Verrrrrry slick. That Master Sword is the f*ckin' cat's meow. I actually don't check that kinda stuff out too often because then I'm walking around with half an erection all day and it's just really awkward. :lol: I once saw a video of someone making a phenomenal Cloud Strife Buster Sword, for example. People are amazing.

Thanks again and thanks for sharing. My hope is that when we don't have to help take care of her parents anymore we'll have a proper Wall Of Weapons. Not enough wall space at the moment.

...Plus we both kinda have prior assault charges, which were dropped but part of the deal was we agreed not to possess or own any weapons. :lol: So there's that. Not sure what the statute of limitations are on that kinda thing, but whenever the cops are here they're like, "If we go upstairs we better not find any of those swords" even though sh*t was a hundred years ago already. So we just kinda keep sh*t under wraps because it's less of a hassle for the time being. F*ckin' pigs ain't got nothin' better to do. :roll:

But yeah... Shhhhhhhhh. ;) Our Little Secret.

[Egon1982]

Saw 2 episodes and MY GOD it's the worst Thundercats ever, very disrepectful to the source material and a poor man's Thundercats

2011 is better than this halfassed Teen Titans Go cash-in crab as this new version is a soulless bi-product of committee thinking as it's the Poochie of the franchise

[turtle1237]

Wonder how long until He-man and other action shows follow this format.

[Egon1982]

Who agrees this could be the Yo Yogi of the franchise?

[IMJ]

It's a little dumbfounding how a lot of the people behind this kind of stuff these days grew up with the old stuff they're rebooting.

I wonder if there is something to be said that it's possible that the production team got into this stuff because of their love for the IP's they grew up with, but found that they don't have the artistic talent that it take to truly go for it, so the best they can do to live their dreams of working with the material is basically faking it by parody.

Seriously. It happens all the time. If you guys started finding out how many "leaders" in business have absolutely no background on it, but either lied on their resume and lied about how to verify it you've never look at the workforce the same again.

With these guys? I can see it now - "I want to design and produce a show like I loved as a kid, but I have no artistic talent so I'll do some designs at the 5th grade level and rather than say it's the best I can do I'll call it "style" or "art direction"." And they get hired.

You guys might think it's a stretch, but this whole thing I've outlined happens all the time. Most people actually get hired and fired based on their attitude and presentation rather than skill. And it's easier to fake a good attitude and presentation than it is to sharpen a skill.

[Egon1982]

2011 has more respect than this

[IndigoErth]

What the hell is the drill monster and why.

Decided this is a good wtf thing to put on (via the site that shall not be named) while trying to get back into using my exercise bike a little. Have gotten as far as that drill one. Just why. And why is Lion-o so damned childish and annoying. It's weird to turn the leader into that while making the others the adults in the room.

edit: And unicorns too... Erm, okay...


I wonder if there is something to be said that it's possible that the production team got into this stuff because of their love for the IP's they grew up with, but found that they don't have the artistic talent that it take to truly go for it, so the best they can do to live their dreams of working with the material is basically faking it by parody.

Seriously. It happens all the time. If you guys started finding out how many "leaders" in business have absolutely no background on it, but either lied on their resume and lied about how to verify it you've never look at the workforce the same again.

With these guys? I can see it now - "I want to design and produce a show like I loved as a kid, but I have no artistic talent so I'll do some designs at the 5th grade level and rather than say it's the best I can do I'll call it "style" or "art direction"." And they get hired.

You guys might think it's a stretch, but this whole thing I've outlined happens all the time. Most people actually get hired and fired based on their attitude and presentation rather than skill. And it's easier to fake a good attitude and presentation than it is to sharpen a skill.
It has crossed my mind now and then, wondering how much of it is current trends in cartoons vs a downward trend in talent. Not that worthy talent doesn't exist -- I mean, the internet is packed full of people making amazing art for different properties -- but those doing this "modern" style of dumbed down cartoons might be cheaper to pay and the cartoon cheaper to produce? Or that's my guess.

[Egon1982]

And you get the poochie reference?

[IndigoErth]

Someone hit this person for me.
https://www.fortressofsolitude.co.za/modern-cartoon-reboots-are-fine-youre-just-nostalgic/


See, I don't recall beloved things from my parent's own generation being rebooted for my own, and in some really stupid dumbed down way. Maybe kids today actually need some cool original things of their own as well, not just dumbed down things hijacked from a generation that already loves a property. There little good enough out there now for them to be blamed for having "nostalgia" someday.

[IMJ]

Someone hit this person for me.
See, I don't recall beloved things from my parent's own generation being rebooted for my own.

Nah they were. It just wasn't as prolific as it is now, and a lot of that I think is from a strength in the IP's as combined with our generations fandom. Which issssss.... either very loyal or demonstrates a wider inability to let go and move on.

But there were reboots when we were kids - but digital culture wasn't there so we didn't call them 'reboots'. Hell, any American made Godzilla movie. Lost In Space (remember that William Hurt flick), The Lone Ranger was tried again in the 80's. Hell.... let's face it, Star Trek on film and TNG. The Twilight Zone t.v. show came back when we were kids. The Kung-Fu t.v. show too. That great Dragnet movie with Tom Hanks and Dan Akroyd was born of the 50's t.v. show. These, just to name a few.

[oldmanwinters]

See, I don't recall beloved things from my parent's own generation being rebooted for my own, and in some really stupid dumbed down way.

It did happen...

The Jetsons (1962 premiere with new "seasons" beginning in 1985)
The Flintstones (The Flintstones Kids 1986 cartoon show)
Scooby-Doo (various successive incarnations but rebooted for A Pup Named Scooby-Doo 1988 cartoon and various movies after that)

[Applies to most classic Hanna-Barbera characters in the 1990s]

Walt Disney direct-to-video sequels of classic animated films during 1990s-2000s)
The Little Rascals (1994 film)
Leave It to Beaver (1997 film)
The Brady Bunch (3 movies 1995-2002)
Dick Tracy (1990 film)
Dennis the Menace (1993 film)
Flash Gordon, The Shadow, The Phantom, etc. (movies and cartoons)

Obviously, the major superheroes of DC and Marvel keep getting new cartoons and various other media.

[IndigoErth]

Okay, but what was the quality comparison? Maybe some things aren't as good as the originals, but was there a push to purposely make it dumb ("because stupid is funny!"), the way something like Thundercats Roar is, and 'Rise' to a lesser (but no better) degree.


edit: Would be like rebooting, say... Tales from the Crypt and the Crypt Keeper is now played by...a non-Middle Eastern boot of Jeff Dunham's puppet Acnmed and there is no attempt at a Crypt Keeper voice. lol

[oldmanwinters]

Okay, but what was the quality comparison? Maybe some things aren't as good as the originals, but was there a push to purposely make it dumb ("because stupid is funny!"), the way something like Thundercats Roar is, and 'Rise' to a lesser (but no better) degree.


edit: Would be like rebooting, say... Tales from the Crypt and the Crypt Keeper is now played by...a non-Middle Eastern boot of Jeff Dunham's puppet Acnmed and there is no attempt at a Crypt Keeper voice. lol

Many of those 1990s film remakes of TV shows I posted leaned heavily upon making fun of the fact that it was set in a much later decade than the source material. And, as expected, most fans of the original content were insulted by the remakes.

Also, from what I've heard about the original intent of the 2002 Scooby-Doo live-action movie, that film was going to be heavily tongue-in-check about various fan-theories to re-imagine the series as more adult, stoner humor.
https://lostmediawiki.com/Scooby-Doo_(unreleased_R-rated_cut_of_live-action_film;_2002)

[sdp]

Well, this happened
https://twitter.com/thethales/status/1238979753421475841?s=19

[Vegita-San]

that's just sad....ashame...

[Cure]

Haaaaaa I love it.

[ABrown]

So typically, when it comes to franchises that I love. I don't root against versions that I'm not into. Usually, that way that I look at it is that even versions that I don't enjoy, they're still good for the brand. They still keep the franchise relevant. But THIS, no. I hope that this fails miserably.

[Sumac]

Well, this happened
https://twitter.com/thethales/status/1238979753421475841?s=19
What is this?
All comments in Spanish for some reason.

[CyberCubed]

Well the guy is Spanish so all his followers are posting in Spanish naturally.

[ZariusTwo]

The writer of that Titans Go/Roar team-up was actually an executive producer on the 2011 Thundercats series.

[Sumac]

Well the guy is Spanish so all his followers are posting in Spanish naturally.
Thanks, Captain Obvious. You rule!

Now, how about answering real question?

[CyberCubed]

That’s why all the comments were in Spanish due to all the Hispanics following the Spanish guy. I assume the clip happened in Teen Titans Go?

[sdp]

It's Portuguese you doofus.

Haven't watched either 2011 or Roar but looking forward to seeing them both, 2011 has so much potential I hope it's not as bad as people say. I'm sure roar won't be very good but I like TTG so perhaps I will as well, that clip at the very least had me giggle.

[Sumac]

That’s why all the comments were in Spanish due to all the Hispanics following the Spanish guy. I assume the clip happened in Teen Titans Go?
I asked "what do their mean", not "what language it was".
:trolleye:

[Leo656]

https://media.tenor.com/images/66dab32f55bc54ffc545c852b274de52/raw
....Is what I say every time I see something like that online. :lol: :trazz:

Seriously, if Galactic Basic is good enough for the entire Star Wars Universe, then Planet Earth needs to chuck all'a them Gibberish Languages already and get with the damn program!

Also, f*ck this show.

[Egon1982]

Insulting a dead actor who played Panthro? that is way too wrong.

[Leo656]

Yeah, that was pretty f*cked up.

Cartoon Network is basically built on being iconoclastic and "skewering sacred cows" and all that, so I'm not entirely surprised, but that was a cheap shot even by their standards.

[Autbot_Benz]

Thundercats Roar is done.
@RiseFallNick
·
Nov 20
One of the writers/producers for ThunderCats Roar confirmed that after the Holiday Specials air, the series is over, making it a one season and done series.

The series recieved immediate blowback for its look, and was delayed for over a year, writing seemed to be on the wall.

[CyberCubed]

I pretty much forgot this series even existed till this thread was bumped.

[Cure]

I pretty much forgot this series even existed till this thread was bumped.

Everyone did. Yet watch everyone here celebrate like it's something that affected them in any way.

[Shark_Blade]

Good. I’m still bothered that they unfairly killed off a very good 2011 series (which went on for 1 season just because the toys didn’t sell well?).

Then Thundercats Roar happened which I don’t really mind, it’s just like filler kinda like Teen Titans Go!. I don’t really watch but they can do their own thing. But even that they couldn’t manage well and died after 1 season.

I’m just gonna blame the poor decisions and management at this point. Maybe they deserve it.

[Coola Yagami]

I just hope all these shows like Rise and Roar going down sooner than expected don't give the execs the wrong idea and lead to the end of cartoons.

You know how they think. If they make a ****** Batman cartoon that bombs their first thought is usually "well I guess kids don't like Batman anymore" rather than admitting the cartoon being ******.

I'm worried if enough of these stupid lolsorandom cartoons get cancelled rather than get the message that no one likes these kinds of ****ed up reboots, they'll think "well I guess kids just flat out outgrew all cartoons" and pull the plug on the whole thing altogether.

[Leo656]

Nah, I doubt that greatly. Although we absolutely are living in a very dark time for cartoon shows in general.

Given the upcoming He-Man cartoon that's supposed to pick up where the original left off, I'd love to see something like that for Thundercats. Although the original cartoon is objectively not great and kind of overstayed its welcome by a bit - I've tried to do a full-series run a few times and it is REALLY hard to finish, partly because Lion-O is a complete f*cking idiot and the voice acting for the supporting and background characters is atrocious. But all the pieces were there for it to be a great show, and rather than another full reboot I'd like to see someone take the same basic elements and apply better writing and execution, the way the early-2000s comic book series did to great effect. They didn't try and change anything, really; they just dialed down the camp and took the characters and scenarios seriously, and it turned out pretty well. The early few mini-series, anyway. By "Dogs of War" they'd kinda lost the plot.

I thought the 2011 reboot was "okay", I just didn't really like most of the character designs. Although Cheetara certainly turned out just fine. :lol: And I thought some of the revamped story elements weren't all that good or even necessary, although some of the ideas were intriguing. I thought it was one of the better reboots in general but that's not really saying a lot.

I do think the brand deserved a lot better than "Roar", though. THAT felt like "giving up".

Who knows. With the awesome new line of "Ultimates" action figures from Super7 apparently being more of a hit than expected, maybe we'll get a NetFlix series or something in the near future, one that's more traditional. I mean, they helped Mattel revive He-Man and the success of the Thundercats line has people talking about Super7 reviving SilverHawks of all things soon as well, in toy form at least, so "respectful" revivals of 80s properties just might be an upcoming trend. We can certainly hope.

One reason I'd like to see a cartoon show set some time past the original is so that we could finally see Lion-O be a badass outside of the WildStorm comic books. He LOOKS so cool and he's got that awesome sword, but in the original series he's a complete f*cking putz who constantly screams for help, and in the reboot he was literally just a kid trying to figure out how to grow into being a leader. I get that's PART of the character's development but I'd love to see him actually "fully-formed" for a change. Another "back to the origin" reboot would just reset him back to being a schmuck, and I think a character with such a cool visual design deserves better. Again, the comics did very well with this without making him totally "perfect", he was still a very flawed character in many ways so it's not like once he "grew up" and became King that everything was suddenly rainbows. His overconfidence and tendency to make questionable decisions, for example, allowed for quite a bit of drama.

I don't know. I really like Thundercats as a concept, but the original show is not as great as people remember and I feel like the characters and ideas STILL have never been utilized to their best potential, outside of maybe one or two comic book mini-series. Hopefully we'll get to see something new (and good) in the near future.

[drgon78]

So glad that hateful piece of garbage ended.

Still like the original series.

Loved the 2011 series, really wish it got at least 3 seasons.

[Sumac]

Another bean-faced crap goes down the drain.
Good riddance.

[CyberCubed]

I never saw the 2011 reboot, was it any good?

[Leo656]

Pretty good. Much better execution than the original but the story and character personalities were all very different from the first series so some fans of the 80s series weren't in love with that part. But people who don't care about the original won't care about that stuff. Most everyone agrees that at the least it's a good action cartoon.

[ZariusTwo]

I never saw the 2011 reboot, was it any good?

Yep, distinctly more sophisticated and edgier than the original, and was cut down in it's prime far too soon

[ABrown]

The 2011 Thundercats was ok. It definitely had potential. Many of the episodes were building up the stories and characters. Unfortunately, we never really got to see what it all was building up to. I'm actually right now about 2/3 of the way through a rewatch of it on Hulu.

[Allio]

The 2011 series had a lot of good episodic stories but I honestly felt the overall storyline was boring.