Is Eastern animation influencing Western animation?

[Papenbrook]

I think so.

They seem to be getting more similar to each other. Nowadays, you can hardly tell the difference between them.

[CyberCubed]

Not since the early/mid 2000's. There was a time anime was influencing the west, look at Teen Titans 2003 or Avatar: The Last Airbender, etc....but it seems like that stopped after the anime craze in the west died down after the late 90's and early 2000's.

Most cartoons made today don't look anything like anime, you'd have to look at stuff made from 2000-2009 or so to see that influence.

[sdp]

The influence was all over the place in the 00s but in the 2010s it hasn't been as strong.

[Papenbrook]

Okay, I think I'm seriously done with Western cartoons! :x

Like, I have so many problems with them! Like, literally! :flaming:



Cartoons seem to have the same simplified, bean-like art-style.

There's too much nepotism going on within the animation industry.

Cartoons used to teach morals more visibly, explicitly, and directly. Now, they usually hide behind subtext and metaphors.

Lately, almost all cartoons (as in, the vast majority of them) have the same bright coloring. Stop. Being. CHEAP!!!

They also have nearly identical line-work. So much so, that it should be considered plagiarism.

There's Wwwaaaaayyyyyyy too many Anime influences/ references. Like, can you be inspired by something else?!

There's endless memes and lingo. Like, everywhere! Make it stop!

And lastly, ... stop the "LOLSORANDOM!" humor/ dancing! It's ... not ... that ... FUNNY! And I'm ... not ... LAUGHING!



Those were my list of grievances that pertain to the current, on-going animation industry.

Let's hope that it crashes soon. :sweatdro:

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Not since the early/mid 2000's. There was a time anime was influencing the west, look at Teen Titans 2003 or Avatar: The Last Airbender, etc

And 4 Kids TMNT.

[plastroncafe]

Aren't most "western animated" shows actually animated in Korea and Japan?

[PApagreg]

There's too much nepotism going on within the animation industry.
List some examples

Cartoons used to teach morals more visibly, explicitly, and directly. Now, they usually hide behind subtext and metaphors.
Whats wrong with that


Lately, almost all cartoons (as in, the vast majority of them) have the same bright coloring. Stop. Being. CHEAP!!!
I can think of 4 cartoons that have similar bright coloring


They also have nearly identical line-work. So much so, that it should be considered plagiarism.
I mean thick outlines were popular for comedy cartoons in the late 90s and early 2000s


There's Wwwaaaaayyyyyyy too many Anime influences/ references. Like, can you be inspired by something else?!
I can only think of 4 shows that have a lot of anime refrences



There's endless memes and lingo. Like, everywhere! Make it stop!
Memes and lingo have been a thing since the begginging of animation, remember Cowabunga


And lastly, ... stop the "LOLSORANDOM!" humor/ dancing! It's ... not ... that ... FUNNY! And I'm ... not ... LAUGHING!
Again has been a staple of animation for years also comedy is based on the unexpected.




Those were my list of grievances that pertain to the current, on-going animation industry.

Let's hope that it crashes soon. :sweatdro:

Well seeing how its making a lot of money I doubt it.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Yes, I do think they're influencing each other. Even the tmnt 1987 cartoon had anime influences, and it was before the time that anime became a massive success in the West.

I like both, but personally prefer Western animation as a whole. The only notable animes I've been into are Pokemon, Digimon and Dragonball Z, as well Miyazaki films.

[Powder]

Assuming this isn't a troll thread... They definitely borrow aesthetic things from one another on occasion, but your level of hyperbole is off the charts here.

They seem to be getting more similar to each other. Nowadays, you can hardly tell the difference between them.

You can't tell the difference between these?
http://i68.tinypic.com/161m3j8.png

[ssjup81]

Western animation influenced eastern animation first...well, as far as Japan anyway.

[CyberCubed]

Nick's TMNT also had those anime exaggerrated expressions in the show. No TMNT cartoon had those before. The giant heads, the small eyes, the blushes, the cutesy look, the angry/mad expressions...it's all anime.

[Papenbrook]

Assuming this isn't a troll thread... They definitely borrow aesthetic things from one another on occasion, but your level of hyperbole is off the charts here.

Okay, I'll admit. I was being a little overboard.

But I feel that Western animation has only gotten worse as the years went by. It sent me into a frustration that I never knew I had.

I guess I just felt passionate about it.

[Powder]

I agree with you, but that's not Japan's fault.

[Wildcat]

I assume this thread was brought on by the new Thundercats. Anyway, no. Maybe in certain cases but everyone barrows from something. There’s definitely still good cartoons.

Not everything is lolsorandom based just certain ones and art style really depends on the cartoon.

I don’t understand saying there’s a bunch of nepotism in cartoons.

[plastroncafe]

Okay, I'll admit. I was being a little overboard.

But I feel that Western animation has only gotten worse as the years went by. It sent me into a frustration that I never knew I had.

I guess I just felt passionate about it.

It hasn't gotten worse, you just don't like it. Those statements do not mean the same thing.

[Cure]

It hasn't gotten worse, you just don't like it. Those statements do not mean the same thing.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

[Coola Yagami]

I don't know.... barring a few exceptions it seems anime strives to work harder to provide better animation.... while, also barring a few exceptions, American cartoons strive to use any shortcut they can to make easier and sloppier animation.

Anime wants to impress you and get you invested, pumped for battle.

American cartoons are like 'LOL who cares, it's for stupid kids! they'll eat up whatever **** we throw at them!'

[TMNT_Guy]

Anyone remember that old Strong Bad Email where he was asked what he'd look like as an anime (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KqF9G_DQls)? I feel like most of the design choices made ("Head shaped like a little bean, mouth really tiny when closed but ridiculously huge when it's open", etc) apply to most western cartoons nowadays.
https://ii.yuki.la/0/96/1cead2e2de15f59dd22866a506b7d791d2929064998826ba85 1272fd8fda2960.gif

[CyberCubed]

Western cartoons got really good from around the early/mid 90's through about 2009 or so, then they got worse again in the 2010's bar a few standouts like Young Justice, Legend of Korra, the Star Wars cartoons, etc.

Of course I'm not counting adult comedies here. There's also always a market for Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, Bob's Burgers, etc. that people watch.

[plastroncafe]

All three of your examples are animated in the East, and are heavily influenced by anime.
Studio Mir, which was the studio behind most of Korra and the current run of Voltron is headquarters in South Korea.

[Papenbrook]

Anyone remember that old Strong Bad Email where he was asked what he'd look like as an anime (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KqF9G_DQls)? I feel like most of the design choices made ("Head shaped like a little bean, mouth really tiny when closed but ridiculously huge when it's open", etc) apply to most western cartoons nowadays.
https://ii.yuki.la/0/96/1cead2e2de15f59dd22866a506b7d791d2929064998826ba85 1272fd8fda2960.gif

That's ... really unsettling. :o

They all morph into each other. Ew...

[Wildcat]

Star vs, Steven Universe and Gravity Falls are actually good though.

I don’t care if the art style is similar. They all could have been different looking but they don’t come off stupid in these particular cartoons.

[Cryomancer]

Yes. Eastern and Western animation have always influenced each other. That's how it works. You see what others are doing and this influences your own work. This is not a bad thing. Anime basically came into existence because Japan saw disney's Snow White.

My suggestion to anyone annoyed about this stuff is to watch the new Voltron show as it's good as hell. It's basically the perfect merging of both, probably at least partially due to that franchise's history.

[sdp]

My suggestion to anyone annoyed about this stuff is to watch the new Voltron show as it's good as hell. It's basically the perfect merging of both, probably at least partially due to that franchise's history.

Beautiful show, with the show wasn't ashamed of being Voltron and had better writing but I still watch it as soon as new episodes come out.

The franchise's history is fascinating as it's more of an adaptation similar to Power Rangers than a bad dub that changed things like Sailor Moon. They built their own universe, used the footage as they saw fit, ordered new episodes that implemented all these changes into hard canon as now there was visual proof of them, implemented a different show that had nothing to do with it in its own continuity, made an original crossover of these two unrelated franchises cementing that they took place in the same universe. Later got two sequel shows that were american made but retained said continuity they had created.