Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

[GoldMutant]

So, this was confirmed via E3.

I won't say much other than... wow. It's gonna be great now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-xSc0MX1eE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB5hCIhXHtE

Essentially, the whole roster and stages of the past are coming back together. Otherwise the only new fighters so far are the Inklings as speculated and the awaited debut of Ridley. Daisy also now joins as an Echo Fighter, the name for clones such as Luciana and Dark Pit.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Every fighter and stahe from the history of Smash is returning.

My reaction:

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[TMNT_Guy]

I'm really happy Daisy made it in even if she's an "Echo Fighter". As a longtime fan of the character it was disappointing how she seemingly kept getting overshadowed by Rosalina with 3D World and Smash 4. Maybe they can go full circle and release Super Mario 3D World with Daisy as a new character.

Glad Bomberman made it in...even if he's just an Assist Trophy
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[FredWolfLeonardo]

This game alone has me wanting to buy a Ninentdo Switch now.

I was thinking of getting of a Wii U for Smash Bros. on that system, but hearing this, we all know its too good to pass up.

[Andrew NDB]

I see some people upset that it's just a port of the Wii U version with more characters.

Looks awesome to me. I'll buy it.

[sdp]

It's different enough to be debated whether it's a port or not. I definitely think it doesn't have enough different but it's a lot more than I expected from a port as well so I'm not complaining. What I find funny is they're marketing "Every character EVA!!!" but I think only 4 were missing from Smash 4 on the Wii U to make a complete "every character ever" roster, so not as much work as they're trying to justify not having many new characters because of that. I'm guessing we'll get 2 more new characters and they'll be revealed later in two directs to keep the hype going.

If it really is "Ultimate" I'd want EVERY stage in there as well which they clearly didn't mention and implied it wouldn't be every stage based on their descriptions of stages and that's a shame. But at least I hope we get as many stages as we can get, at least I'm happy that my favorite stage from the N64 game is back (Saffron City, even if sans Pokemon).

Bomberman as an assist trophy was such a tease, but I"m hoping next game he'll make the roster.

Zero Suit Samus has been censored, her boobs are smaller and she doesn't have her perfect run two piece outfit.

I'm glad the Zelda characters are now all based on different games, that's refreshing.

[Ninjinister]

What I find funny is they're marketing "Every character EVA!!!" but I think only 4 were missing from Smash 4 on the Wii U to make a complete "every character ever" roster, so not as much work as they're trying to justify not having many new characters because of that.

It's probably because they are treating this as a new entry, and every one since Melee has had cuts. Bringing everybody back is something I'd wager few expected, especially all of the various guests.

[Redeemer]

damn it I am going to have to buy a Nintendo switch now :lol:

[Prowler]

I always get hyped for Smash games. This one looks promising too, even though it's a bit of a port more than a completely new game. Then again, Nintendo seems to be porting pretty much every big Wii U title to the Switch, probably in order to compensate for Wii U's not so great sales.

Why don't they port Super Mario Maker too? In the 3DS version you can only share your levels by spotpass, which is a shame.

[CyberCubed]

It took 16+ years but Ridley finally made it into Smash as a playable character. I guess it's proof that demand for a character can make anything happen, especially after Sakurai denied him for so many games.

Ridley's actually been in every Smash in some form (besides trophies):

- Smash 64 = You see his SNES sprite flying in the background in the Metroid stage

- Melee = You see Samus fight him in the opening

- Brawl = Ridley and Meta Ridley are boss fights in the game

- Smash U = Ridley is a boss stage character


Now finally after 4 games, Ridley is playable. A dream come true after 16 years to finally have Samus' biggest enemy playable.

[Andrew NDB]

Whether this is a port or not... it's Smash Bros. I don't think the gameplay dynamics have radically changed much since the original N64 game. Do we really need a brand new engine than the Wii U one?

[Prowler]

Whether this is a port or not... it's Smash Bros. I don't think the gameplay dynamics have radically changed much since the original N64 game. Do we really need a brand new engine than the Wii U one?

I don't want a new engine or anything. But I'd like them to get rid of clone movesets once and for all. It's fine for Dr. Mario to be a Mario clone or for Toon Link o be a Link clone... but Ganondorf as a Captain Falcon clone?! The King of Evil deserves a moveset of his own, come on.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I guess it's proof that demand for a character can make anything happen, especially after Sakurai denied him for so many games.

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I don't want a new engine or anything. But I'd like them to get rid of clone movesets once and for all. It's fine for Dr. Mario to be a Mario clone or for Toon Link o be a Link clone... but Ganondorf as a Captain Falcon clone?! The King of Evil deserves a moveset of his own, come on.

Even though its the same moveset as Capt Falcon, Ganondorf still feels very different to me for being much heavier, slower etc. Neverthless he is getting a sword so you can expect some moveset changes.

The only ones that bothered me are Lucina and Dark Pit, who are not even aesthetically much different from the characters theyre cloned from, let alone different in terms of moveset. I'm glad they're becoming echo characters in this new game rather than having their own slot. Echo Characters was also a clever way to bring Daisy in.

[Ninjinister]

The King of Evil deserves a moveset of his own, come on.

Bowser already has his own moveset

[Prowler]

Bowser already has his own moveset

Pfft Ganondorf is much cooler than Bowser. Bowser is more of a cartoonish villain, while Ganondorf is a better representation of Evil itself :trazz:

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Pfft Ganondorf is much cooler than Bowser. Bowser is more of a cartoonish villain, while Ganondorf is a better representation of Evil itself :trazz:

Thats actually a pretty cool contrast, how 2 of Nintendo's most iconic villains are polar opposite, one realistic and dark while the other one is bright and cartoony.

That being said, I wonder what Pokemon's main villain could be nowdays? Back in 2001 during Melee, its Mewtwo since he fought alongside Giga Bowser and Ganondorf in Event 51, and had a central antagonist role in the 1st movie. However, he eventually changed sides and now Pokemon lacks a constant main villain like Mario and Zelda.

[CyberCubed]

Thats actually a pretty cool contrast, how 2 of Nintendo's most iconic villains are polar opposite, one realistic and dark while the other one is bright and cartoony.

That being said, I wonder what Pokemon's main villain could be nowdays? Back in 2001 during Melee, its Mewtwo since he fought alongside Giga Bowser and Ganondorf in Event 51, and had a central antagonist role in the 1st movie. However, he eventually changed sides and now Pokemon lacks a constant main villain like Mario and Zelda.

Well the villains in Pokemon are the evil human teams. Team Rocket/Magma/Aqua/Galactic/Plasma/Flare, etc.

But I guess Giovanni is the most recognizeable "evil" villain of them all since he's been around for 20+ years since the very beginning.

[Prowler]

Thats actually a pretty cool contrast, how 2 of Nintendo's most iconic villains are polar opposite, one realistic and dark while the other one is bright and cartoony.

That being said, I wonder what Pokemon's main villain could be nowdays? Back in 2001 during Melee, its Mewtwo since he fought alongside Giga Bowser and Ganondorf in Event 51, and had a central antagonist role in the 1st movie. However, he eventually changed sides and now Pokemon lacks a constant main villain like Mario and Zelda.

It's fitting since Mario is more lighthearted while Zelda tends to be a bit more serious. Secondary villains in Mario such as goombas and koopa troopas are also pretty cartoonish and kind of cute; while some Zelda villains are quite creepy(Redeads...).

Villains in Pokémon? I'm guessing Geovanni, the leader of Team Rocket? Villains in Pokémon are usually human.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Thats the problem with Pokemon, all its main constant villains are humans, and no one wants to play as human Pokemon characters in Smash :lol:

Only Pokemon I can think of that is a constant villain is Meowth, he would make a pretty cool character in Smash, but is nowhere in the same league as Ganondorf and Bowser.

[Prowler]

What I wonder is why the hell did they make Jigglypuff of all Pokémon a playable character in Smash games. There's a lot cooler Pokémon out there, come on. But oh well.

I wonder if Fox will be top tier once again. I love Fox especially in Melee.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Bring back Melee Fox.

They need to start first off by using the design of Star Fox 64, so much cooler than what his design has been since Brawl. Atleast give it as an alternate costume lol.

[Redeemer]

What I wonder is why the hell did they make Jigglypuff of all Pokémon a playable character in Smash games. There's a lot cooler Pokémon out there, come on. But oh well.

I wonder if Fox will be top tier once again. I love Fox especially in Melee.

I hate that OP B*tch :lol:
Everyone wants their character to be a top tier character.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I agree, Jigglypuff was OP in Melee.

I felt good when she became low-tier trash in Brawl and Smash 4.

[Prowler]

Jiggly puff was strong in Melee but not as top tier as Fox, Falco and Sheik were.

Fox was my main in Melee, definitely. In Smash 4 it varies. I don't feel like checking out, but I'm gonna bet my 5 most played characters are Little Mac, Charizard, Fox, Ryu and Sonic. I recall using Zero Suit Samus and Bayonetta rather frequently as well.

Anyway, Smash is one of those rare fighting games where I'm fine playing against the CPU. Online Smash usually is a bit slow and the rare times Iv'e played it I always did with items on.

[sdp]

Random rant about stages for those who don't care can skip: :lol:

I wonder if all stages could be included in, there's something like 140 stages in all games + new stages from Ultimate here would mean it'd have 160 stages. That may sound like too much and Sakurai mentioned "we've included many stages" or something along those lines which implies not all of them but hear me out.

Hardcore fans have been counting the stages shown so far from screenshots and the trailers and they've found 85 different stages so far, that's a huge list and it's very probable we haven't seen more. Why stop at 130 if adding 10 more would mean a complete stage list for Ultimate (then again, Smash 4 was only like 5 characters away from having Everyone in the roster and it didn't)

Ultimate is re-using most of its assets from Smash 4, so having all the Smash 4 stages is basically no problem. In the same way, Smash 4 was based off of Brawl which was based off of Melee. So re-using any of those stages from the Gamecube/Wii eras also shouldn't be that hard.

Smash 64 would be an exception, but apparently all Smash 64 stages have been found, this is great since 64 stages only a select few have made it back and we've seen classics like Saffron City finally back. 64 stages IMO are the best since they included the most stage hazards and a reason speculated as to why some 64 stages never made a comeback and it was always the same ones.

The others that would be difficult would be the 3DS exclusive stages but apparently all those are in there as well


Maybe you can argue that some stages are too similar, and that's a legit reason not to include EVERYTHING. But we've already seen stages that are extremely similar and yet both versions appear to be included like Pokemon Stadium 1, Pokemon Stadium 2 and both Animal Crossing stages, so clearly being near identical isn't a problem.

So all in all I'm hoping that it has ALL of the stages. Apparently we're also seeing some Pokeball Pokemon and Assist Trophy characters from previous games that were not in Smash 4, so maybe it'll also include all of those as well? :D It'd better

[CyberCubed]

All the roster needs for classic pre-2000 characters is Dixie and K. Rool and it'll be close to perfect.

For newer franchises Captain Toad (who technically counts as a new character), ARMS, and Xenoblade 2 are likely. Simon Belmont from Castlevania is also the heavily rumored third party character this game, and with Snake returning and Bomberman being an Assist trophy, it would make a lot of sense if Konami got a new rep.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Bewear was confirmed as a PokeBall pokemon, In one of the character trailers (can't remember which one though)

Was gonna happen, but great news anyway. Wonder what other new Pokemon will appear in Pokeballs.

[sdp]

Samus' boobs got downgraded and her alt outfit of her 100% finished sports like outfit is also gone. Snake's butt was also downgraded.

As far as possible newcomers, I'll make a realistic one, I think we'll get 2 more original chracters and 2 more "echo/clone" characters.

Ms Pacman (clone)
Shadow the Hedgehog (clone)
Ken (clone)
All those are easily done.


All the roster needs for classic pre-2000 characters is Dixie and K. Rool and it'll be close to perfect.

For newer franchises Captain Toad (who technically counts as a new character), ARMS, and Xenoblade 2 are likely. Simon Belmont from Castlevania is also the heavily rumored third party character this game, and with Snake returning and Bomberman being an Assist trophy, it would make a lot of sense if Konami got a new rep.

K.Rool has been retconned, his last appearance was DK64, DK has been in more solo adventures without K.Rool than with him. Him not returning in either Country Returns game sealed his fate. I see no point in Dixie, I gues since she can be an "echo/clone" of Diddy but whatever.

Captain Toad I think might be difficult because Peach already uses Toad a lot, but if Captain Toad gets a spin-off every gen then yeah he'll eventually appear but not on Ultimate. Arms could go either way, I mean the game didn't do THAT well and Sakurai doesn't usually add newer stuff until it's proven.

I think Simon Belmont is only wanted by fans to re-create the Captain N team, I know that's why I want him in. I mean if Snake is in it then Simon deserves to as well. Bomberman being an assist instead of a character is a downer.

[PApagreg]

Fingers crossed for Travis Touchdown

[Prowler]

I'd be fine with the current known roster already.

[Sumac]

I think Simon Belmont is only wanted by fans to re-create the Captain N team, I know that's why I want him in. I mean if Snake is in it then Simon deserves to as well. Bomberman being an assist instead of a character is a downer.
I think most people want Simon Belmont not because of Captain N, which is barely remembered, but because, they like Castlevania series, which at some point was one of the biggest franchises.

[Ninjinister]

I know Simon is the first and the best known but maybe they should have Trevor for dat Netflix marketing instead.

[Andrew NDB]

Plus I'd be worried they'd make Simon look like he does in all the revisionist FAKE Simon Belmont artwork in the past 10 years. Like this:

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13300000/Simon-Belmont-the-belmont-clan-castlevania-13324984-750-714.jpg

Simon does NOT have red hair and does NOT look like a woman.

[Prowler]

...they turned Simon Belmont into a bishonen androgenous looking thing?! ugh

[Andrew NDB]

...they turned Simon Belmont into a bishonen androgenous looking thing?! ugh

And look at him in CastleVania: Judgement:

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[Prowler]

He almost looks like Bruno Gehard.

Were they trying to appeal to the female audience or something?

[Andrew NDB]

He almost looks like Bruno Gehard.

Were they trying to appeal to the female audience or something?

I think they were trying to recreate the appeal of Alucard. In the worst possible way.

[CyberCubed]

K.Rool has been retconned, his last appearance was DK64, DK has been in more solo adventures without K.Rool than with him. Him not returning in either Country Returns game sealed his fate. I see no point in Dixie, I gues since she can be an "echo/clone" of Diddy but whatever.

No, Dixie is one of the last Nintendo all-stars from the 90's and was a main character in her own game and is now back in Tropical Freeze. DK only having two reps is absurd and Dixie has been wanted for a long time. Donkey Kong has needed new reps for years especially with it being among Nintendo's best selling franchise.

King K. Rool is now the most requested villain now that Ridley got in, and he was heavily requested since Smash U. King K. Rool was in King of Swing and Jungle Climber and it doesn't matter that he's not in the recent games, he's still in 80% of the mainline DK games.

Captain Toad I think might be difficult because Peach already uses Toad a lot, but if Captain Toad gets a spin-off every gen then yeah he'll eventually appear but not on Ultimate. Arms could go either way, I mean the game didn't do THAT well and Sakurai doesn't usually add newer stuff until it's proven.

It's not "tricky," Captain Toad has his own game and an entire moveset to pull out of. Captain Toad debuted in Mario Galaxy in 2007 and then appeared in every game since, and got his own spinoff.

Likewise with Daisy in, and Waluigi still an Assist trophy...there really are no other Mario reps to choose from. Pauline is also shown singing on the stage of the new Mario Odyssey level so she won't be playable either.

Captain Toad is likely, I doubt Daisy will be the only new Mario rep for the game

[Prowler]

I'd like to see a 3D Donkey Kong game again. DK 64 didn't work that well, but I'm willing to give them another shot. Not to mention this time Rare wouldn't be involved, so I'm sure it'd be different.

[sdp]

To be fair Simon Belmont has never had a consistent look, he has changed in every game since release and had different Japanese and American artwork as well. It was always anime inspired in the Japanese versions and only Americanized into beefy men that would appeal to kids there. Each castlevania game also seems to have its own art style which doesn't help things.

[CyberCubed]

My guess is there will be 10 newcomers (so 8 more characters after Ridley and Inklings), since Sakurai said there may not be many new characters in this game. I'm not sure if echoes like Daisy will count toward that total.

My guess for 10 unique characters:

1. Inklings
2. Ridley
3. Dixie
4. K. Rool
5. Captain Toad
6. New Pokemon Rep
7. Simon Belmont
8. Some obscure NES or JRPG character only Sakurai likes
9. Possible another third party rep?
10. ARMS or Xenoblade 2 character

[Prowler]

if we get another third person rep, who would you like to see? I'd like to see Scorpion or Sub-Zero in Smash, but I don't think that's ever gonna happen.

[CyberCubed]

if we get another third person rep, who would you like to see? I'd like to see Scorpion or Sub-Zero in Smash, but I don't think that's ever gonna happen.

Could be Rayman after how much Ubisoft works with Nintendo lately. But it might be another Square character.

[Andrew NDB]

How about Bonk? From "Bonk's Revenge," etc..

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[Prowler]

Could be Rayman after how much Ubisoft works with Nintendo lately. But it might be another Square character.

Good call. He might be the one.

[Shark_Blade]

SSB Ultimate tones down Snake’s butt.

https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/6/13/17458506/smash-bros-ultimate-snake-butt-nintendo-samus-e3

The audacity.

[Prowler]

I doubt most Smash players were ever looking at Snake's ass, anyway.

And for the record, I don't care about Samus' boobs getting a bit smaller either.

[Andrew NDB]

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Alex Kidd would be awesome, too.

[Prowler]

Lol Alex kidd, Sega's first mascot. Isn't he pretty much dead or did Sega ever try to revive him?

But he could be an assist trophy or something. That would be a nice homage.

[Andrew NDB]

Lol Alex kidd, Sega's first mascot. Isn't he pretty much dead or did Sega ever try to revive him?

He showed up in "Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing" back in 2010. Nothing since.

He was awesome... I loved the crap out of "Alex Kidd in Miracle World" on Sega Master System.

[Prowler]

He showed up in "Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing" back in 2010. Nothing since.

He was awesome... I loved the crap out of "Alex Kidd in Miracle World" on Sega Master System.

Was it lonely owning a Master System in USA? That console was mostly a success in Brazil and Europe. In USA and Japan it was crushed by the NES.

[Andrew NDB]

Was it lonely owning a Master System in USA? That console was mostly a success in Brazil and Europe. In USA and Japan it was crushed by the NES.

It was! I would constantly defend it to everyone. I'd tell them they were dumb for getting a NES, that SMS was where it was at and that Alex Kidd would kick the crap out of Mario any day of the week. I held onto it until toward the end of the NES' run, then quietly buried my pride, sold it and went and bought a NES.

To be fair, the SMS phaser IS a lot cooller than the NES gun...

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51vjJ16sCKL.jpg

Wait... Sega Master System II?

[Prowler]

It was! I would constantly defend it to everyone. I'd tell them they were dumb for getting a NES, that SMS was where it was at and that Alex Kidd would kick the crap out of Mario any day of the week. I held onto it until toward the end of the NES' run, then quietly buried my pride, sold it and went and bought a NES.

To be fair, the SMS phaser IS a lot cooller than the NES gun...

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51vjJ16sCKL.jpg

Wait... Sega Master System II?

Same thing happened with me regarding the GameCube. Everyone else at school had a PS2. I had to defend the GC against their "Nintendo is crap. Their games are for kids!" arguments.

Well, I'm not very knowledgeable about the SMS, but the Genesis had a couple of different models, so maybe that was the case for the SMS as well?

[Powder]

Too bad about Bomberman only being an assist, he'd be a blast to use as a fighter. I am glad Ridley is finally present, it being hunched over & stuff is a clever way to make it not look so damn huge, without having to actually scale it down to a ridiculous extent. It's nice that all of the old characters are returning, but considering this is a port (Ugh. It's a nicely upgraded port, but still, ugh.) I am supremely disappointed that most of the new characters are old characters. New arrivals are practically the driving force behind convincing people to double dip, yo! So I'm on the fence about this, for now. Hopefully there will be enough new characters/stages/modes to entice me. All the new things/upgrades are impressive, just might not be enough for me. Every penny counts, these days.

That said, I'd like to see Dixie Kong, Mimikyu, a Kirby ally, a Pokemon Trainer "Echo" with different Pokemon, Rayman, & Aiai from Super Monkey Ball. Bomberman would be on the list, but alas, his fate was already decided. One want I'd really go bananas for is a bit unrealistic, but has a lot of potential- a Guardian Scout, from Breath Of The Wild. You know, one of the small ones that can use its laser eye as well as various ancient weapons. Give it a spring jump & quick footwork, call it a day. It'd never happen, but given how popular the game was, & how integral those enemies were to it, I'd find it fitting. Others I wouldn't mind having include Isabelle, Waluigi, a Captain Toad "Echo", King K. Rool (I know, I know, he's been retired...), a Street Fighter Echo (Zangief would be neat!), Master Hand, an ARMS character, & more fun alternate costumes like how Mario has, that's a neat gimmick.

One thing that irked me, though, the way BOTW is represented. Link should summon the champions for his final smash, rather than just using ancient arrows. & the BOTW tower stage, so, so boring, what a wasted opportunity. They should instead have put you in Hyrule Field, with hazards like charging animals, horseback Bokoblin, & the occasional Guardian who randomly targets players with a deadly laser blast. That would be AMAZING.

[Turo602]

Why isn't Classic Sonic an echo fighter?

[CyberCubed]

This isn't a port, it's a new game with all old stuff returning and likely 10+ new characters and levels.

I don't know what people expect out of fighters. We'll likely never get a new full-fledged story mode like Brawl had, so all they can add is new characters, levels, and whatever new modes Sakurai comes up with.

[Andrew NDB]

Well, I'm not very knowledgeable about the SMS, but the Genesis had a couple of different models, so maybe that was the case for the SMS as well?

In any case, the Sega Master System taught me a very important lesson at a very early age: never trust Sega, ever again.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

This isn't a port, it's a new game with all old stuff returning and likely 10+ new characters and levels.

To be fair, the game does look extremely similar to the Wii U version. I'm no expert on the Smash games engine, but anyone can tell that Ultimate uses the Wii U version of Smash as its base, both in terms of graphics and mechanics.

Compare this to say, how distinct N64, Melee and Brawl are to each other. Not a bad thing however, as I think that focusing on an already existing engine will give the developers more time to have all characters/stages as this game promised.

[Powder]

This isn't a port, it's a new game with all old stuff returning and likely 10+ new characters and levels.

I don't know what people expect out of fighters. We'll likely never get a new full-fledged story mode like Brawl had, so all they can add is new characters, levels, and whatever new modes Sakurai comes up with.

It's a port. A port with a bunch of upgrades, but a port nonetheless.

[Shark_Blade]

It’s a different engine jilt from the ground up; so not really a port despite looking very similar with SSB Wii U/3DS.

[Turo602]

Yeah, I hear it feels different compared to Wii U and if you compare the graphics, it's definitely not just an upscaled port.

[CyberCubed]

It's a port. A port with a bunch of upgrades, but a port nonetheless.

The engine is all new, the characters are all rebuilt from the ground up. Many characters have changes in their movesets like Link's Remote Bombs, balance changes in terms of damage taken, new final smashes, new costumes/outfits,etc. You can read up on all the changes and improvements on the usual gaming sites or forums to see for yourself.

And as said, there's bound to be at least 10 new characters and levels, we've already seen a new Zelda level based on Breath of the Wild, a new Mario Odyssey level with Pauline singing in the background, and there will obviously be more.

Fighters don't change much upon sequels, now that Smash is in HD it doesn't really need any radical changes anymore. I doubt Sakurai is ever going to bring back a full fledged story mode like Subspace Emissary, so beyond that we have the usual Classic, All-star, Event Matches, Crazy Orders, etc. for single players.

[sdp]

Smash is getting stale and needs a shot in the arm, I love Sakurai and the amount of love he puts into the game but he needs to go. Ultimate will be a love letter to Smash fans as well as the Ultimate version of the game he has worked for for the last 20 years.

I'd love to see a new take on Smash, full story mode and other things that Sakurai would never allow, I would also like to see them shave off the fat, we have too many characters, get rid of 2/3rds of the Fire Emblem characters, only keep 2 at a time and so on. I don't see myself getting too excited for another Smash after this one if Sakurai is involved.

I'd however love to see Sakurai create a new IP, work on an existing one or even make a sequel to Kid Icarus.

[CyberCubed]

Smash isn't getting "stale" because the formula is tweaked and perfected a little with each game, and he adds tons of new modes and features to each new game. There's not much else you can do. We just got 8 player Smash, Master/Crazy orders, etc. last Smash. Then the Special Melee where you mix things up (like Giant Smash with Slow speed, etc) that you couldn't do prior to Brawl.

There's really no need for another full single player story. Outside of the cutscenes the fighting got stale very fast and it's not something people want Sakurai to spend time on over the roster.

The only thing we could use is someone else choosing the roster choices at some point, since Sakurai seems overly picky which characters get into Smash (if Miyamoto had some say for example, no way would Donkey Kong only have 2 characters this late in), but that's it.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

While I totally understand Subspace emissary mode not coming back, I really hope that Adventure mode from Melee comes back.

It had sort of a story by having a character travel through different Nintendo worlds while still feeling like Smash unlike Subspace which was more "beat hundreds of NPC zombies" and had much less replay value.

[Prowler]

What some people are saying about Smash getting stale now are the same things they were saying about Mario Kart, Pokémon and Zelda a while ago.

I trust the new Nintendo. Let's see where Smash goes after this game. It's a very profitable franchise. It won't die just like that.

[sdp]

Smash won't die, I'm just saying each game gets me a little less hyped because things don't change enough. Even some other other fighting games change more.

Mario Kart is indeed getting stale though, the bikes in Wii, Gliders in 7 and no gravity in 8 have helped a little but overall it needs to change. Give it an adventure mode like Diddy Kong Racing, or make it out right a Mario Kart & Nintendo All Stars as a full crossover game, I don't know something besides the same mushroom kingdom locations. I'm happy with Mario Kart only being Mario characters, but if they're going to add Link and Inklings they might as well add Kirby and the rest. if it's Mario only then besides an adventure mode have new characters, Mario Tennis is exciting sine you get some WTF entries like Chomp Chomp and the squid, wouldn't it be great to see Pauline? Or some obscure Spin-off main character like say from Paper Mario?

Zelda well it changed with BOTW, I personally think it changed a little too much but I will give BOTW another chance soon. Pokemon needs to change but it needs to change back to what it was back in Gen 1 and 2, all the extra story that they've slowly added has gotten stale, have it be more personal and not "you will save the world from the legendaries" which has been the story since Gen III. Gen I was great because you were a kid who just happened to defeat Team Rocket, keep it light on story and more focused on exploration.

[Prowler]

Mario tennis? I've only played the 3DS one and it was average. The Golf one was a bit better. I really like Mario Golf in the Nintendo 64 back in the day btw. And the GBA game was pretty interesting as well

I wonder if Nintendo will eve do some changes to Mario party. Mario Party kinda lost people's interest after the N64.

Yeah, Diddy Kong Racing was a pretty good back back in the day. How come MK never tried to do something similar to it with a story mode, a world to explore and boss races?

[sdp]

Mario tennis? I've only played the 3DS one and it was average. The Golf one was a bit better. I really like Mario Golf in the Nintendo 64 back in the day btw. And the GBA game was pretty interesting as well

I wonder if Nintendo will eve do some changes to Mario party. Mario Party kinda lost people's interest after the N64.

Yeah, Diddy Kong Racing was a pretty good back back in the day. How come MK never tried to do something similar to it with a story mode, a world to explore and boss races?

Mario Tennis is the perfect example of a series getting stale, it was great on the N64, GBC and GBA but the Gamecube/Wii/Wii U version just kinda did the bare minimum and it showed. The Switch Mario Tennis seems to be taking the right direction.

At E3 Nintendo announced Super Mario Party and it's going back to basics a la the first Mario Party games so that's already an improvement over the last few games. They also finally added online, but remember Nintendo takes baby steps, it's still not the board game online but only the mini games. Maybe for Super Mario Party 2 they'll get the online right.:lol: But yeah this is the shot in the arm that Mario Party needed and the "Super" helps emphasize this.

I also don't know why Nintendo didn't copy some things from DKR, hell they own the IP and there have been rumors for many years that it would come. Me personally I'd keep Mario Kart more to the basics and get rid of many gimmicks it's done over the years while also releasing DKR with an "all stars Nintendo" cast crossover and also experiment more here with the Kart formula. There are the rumors of that Star Fox racing game inspired by DKR's story mode so maybe that's the closest we'll get to it.

[Prowler]

Mario Tennis is the perfect example of a series getting stale, it was great on the N64, GBC and GBA but the Gamecube/Wii/Wii U version just kinda did the bare minimum and it showed. The Switch Mario Tennis seems to be taking the right direction.

At E3 Nintendo announced Super Mario Party and it's going back to basics a la the first Mario Party games so that's already an improvement over the last few games. They also finally added online, but remember Nintendo takes baby steps, it's still not the board game online but only the mini games. Maybe for Super Mario Party 2 they'll get the online right.:lol: But yeah this is the shot in the arm that Mario Party needed and the "Super" helps emphasize this.

I also don't know why Nintendo didn't copy some things from DKR, hell they own the IP and there have been rumors for many years that it would come. Me personally I'd keep Mario Kart more to the basics and get rid of many gimmicks it's done over the years while also releasing DKR with an "all stars Nintendo" cast crossover and also experiment more here with the Kart formula. There are the rumors of that Star Fox racing game inspired by DKR's story mode so maybe that's the closest we'll get to it.

Yeah Mario Party without proper online in this decade is just stupid.

Mario Tennis N64 was the game I initially wanted but my mom says it wasn't available in stores anymore, so she got me Mario Golf instead. I ended up liking it anyway.

What is considered the best Mario Golf game? I remember the GameCube one having some hype.

[Cure]

Simon Belmont is in, boys. YEEEEEEEEEEEEAH!

[Andrew NDB]

Even some other other fighting games change more.

Like what? Street Fighter?

https://media0.giphy.com/media/3i7zenReaUuI0/giphy.gif

[Sumac]

Amazing Direct and game shapes to be very amazing.
I want to buy it, purely for Simon and K. Rool.

[Andrew NDB]

Wow, and that actually looks like Simon, not the way he's been redesigned as a red-haired woman for the past few years in Japan.

Sidenote: I had no idea Mega Man was in this. Wow.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

K. Rool was my most requested character! I need no one else!:D

[Powder]

I'm so happy. I got some of my most wanted characters as playable, with the rest being assists.

[Andrew NDB]

At this rate, the TMNT will probably be announced for it.

[Sumac]

Wow, and that actually looks like Simon, not the way he's been redesigned as a red-haired woman for the past few years in Japan.

Sidenote: I had no idea Mega Man was in this. Wow.
And Richter doesn't look like Yaoi fodder, but like his old good 90-s anime-self. :D

[Ninjinister]

The characters I want most that weren't already in, have like zero chance to be in, so I'm pretty much happy with whoever they choose. That being said, I was surprised they finally got K. Rool.

Honestly though I would have thought that they would've used the K. Rool trailer to introduce Funky as an Echo Fighter.

[Shark_Blade]

So stil no Waluigi huh?

That “Everyone is here!” slogan sounds so ironic lol.

[Ninjinister]

So stil no Waluigi huh?

That “Everyone is here!” slogan sounds so ironic lol.

Well I mean that's just to refer to everyone who'd been playable in previous games. Obviously they couldn't mean everyone in video games of all time, or even everyone in an Nintendo game.

Although Waluigi is another one who has been oft-requested, like Bomberman he's been shown to be relegated to be an Assist Trophy.

[PApagreg]

Kinda disappointed that Zero is an assist trophy but Im happy the Castlevania people are getting some love

[sdp]

Even though it still feels like an expansion pack of the Wii U version it's at least looking to be a significant expansion, I'm pretty hyped and don't feel at all like I'm double dipping like I did with Mario Kart 8 DX. Even if it were released as it is now and i'm guessing they're still saving a big surprise or two as well.

I've realized the only character I'd love to have that isn't in is Captain N himself but he has never been in a game, was an american creation, not many people want him so It's basically impossible.

[Spike Spiegel]

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[Allio]

So a leak happened yesterday and so far everyone is causing an uproar about either confirming it or disprove it.

So long story short it seemed some guy that worked in a company (if this is real he can kiss his job goodbye) that does promotional material and he was showing one of his friends on snap chat. and one of those materials was stuff in regards to Smash Bros (and The Grinch movie) and it was the completed mural of smash characters. Apparently his friend captured the images and shared them online.

And well the "The Grinch Leak" as it is called has only spiraled out since. Either this is some mad man that is playing some 6D chest or simply some guy made a mistake

Characters shown are


Geno
Ken
Shadow
Isaac
Chorus Kids
Mach Rider
Banjo-Kazooie

and recently Nintendo uploaded a video that may have confirmed one of these characters with one of the items on screen

It's an item from Golden Sun (Ie. Isaac)

[sdp]

I'm happy with the final roster and while sad that it got leaked without fun CG videos but still the whole Grinch leak makes up for it as it's so damn memorable, so many great memes out of it.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I'm happy with the final roster and while sad that it got leaked without fun CG videos but still the whole Grinch leak makes up for it as it's so damn memorable, so many great memes out of it.

I don't believe it is real just yet (primarily due to Sakurai's statement of not expecting too many newcomers), but if does turn out to be, I'd be happy overall.

Incineroar is my most wanted and he's not in the leak, but the other newcomers are all solid options.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I'm happy with the final roster and while sad that it got leaked without fun CG videos but still the whole Grinch leak makes up for it as it's so damn memorable, so many great memes out of it.

I don't believe it is real just yet (primarily due to Sakurai's statement of not expecting too many newcomers), but if does turn out to be, I'd be happy overall.

Incineroar is my most wanted and he's not in the leak, but the other newcomers are all solid options who are so good that I wouldn't mind.

[Turo602]

Putting my thoughts on the leak in spoilers just in case.

I know Shadow, Ken, and the Chorus Kids have been rumored for a while now, and considering Shadow and Ken would be echo fighters, I think it's pretty plausible. Especially since Simon Belmont has an echo. Geno seems like fan service in the same vein as Ridley and K. Rool. Banjo is the only real oddity here, though given Microsoft's relationship with Nintendo, and their recent collaboration with cross play, i don't think it's too farfetched.

[Ninjinister]

I'd say "potential leak" until it pans out.

I'm okay with these characters, although I have no frame of reference for Chorus Kids.

The previous game added my two most wanted (Little Mac and Pac-Man) but the remainders on my list are so low-key that they'll never get in, so I'm fine.

[Allio]

I would love a game with either Agumon or Metabee, but I know it ain’t happening

[Ninjinister]

I would love a game with either Agumon or Metabee, but I know it ain’t happening

I still think Agumon should replace Gon's fighting style in Tekken since they already have the rights and Digimon and Tekken have crossed over before.

Medarot is still pretty popular in Japan so there's a chance I guess eventually, but I think it wouldn't be before folks like Bomberman.

[sdp]

Bomberman got gypped out of Ultimate, pretty much every other fan favorite is in there except him if the leak is real (which the level of details in it to be fake would be insane).

Only character left I'd want in Smash is Captain N but I know his chances are literally 0%.

[Turo602]

I still think Captain Toad got snubbed. Poor guy has been putting in the work since the Galaxy games.

[CyberCubed]

The only real glaringly omitted character is Dixie Kong, she's more important than half the characters on the roster. The DK franchise has always been treated poorly in Smash till now anyway, maybe she'll get in via DLC.

[Prowler]

The only real glaringly omitted character is Dixie Kong, she's more important than half the characters on the roster. The DK franchise has always been treated poorly in Smash till now anyway, maybe she'll get in via DLC.

If she got a cool moveset then I'd be ok with her getting in. The more the merrier, I guess.

Meanwhile Fire Emblem has several characters in the series. How many again... 6?

[CyberCubed]

Fire Emblem has 7 now. 3 of them are Marth clones, lol.

Dixie gets screwed over every time when she's the last big Nintendo character not on the roster and part of a top selling franchise.

[Prowler]

Fire Emblem has 7 now. 3 of them are Marth clones, lol.

Dixie gets screwed over every time when she's the last big Nintendo character not on the roster and part of a top selling franchise.

Maybe whoever is responsible for picking characters in Smash really likes the Fire Emblem series? Who are the two Marth clones, again? Roy and... Lucina?

Dunno man. Dixie was in how many DK games? Donkey Kong 2 Country and what else? And that game came out over 20 years ago, already. Donkey Kong and Diddy are clearly much more recognisable characters as is King K.Rool, since he's the main villain.

I wonder why Dixie wasn't in DK64 and they created a whole new female character(Tiny Kong) instead.

[CyberCubed]

Dunno man. Dixie was in how many DK games? Donkey Kong 2 Country and what else? And that game came out over 20 years ago, already. Donkey Kong and Diddy are clearly much more recognisable characters as is King K.Rool, since he's the main villain..

Dixie is playable in 2 out of 3 of the original DKC trilogy games, more than Donkey Kong is. She's a starring character in her franchise and continued to appear in spinoffs in the 2000's, then returned in Tropical Freeze in 2014. She's a lead character in the games and the most iconic Nintendo character not playable on the roster (besides Toad).

I don't understand what "20 years ago" has to do with anything when she has a continue presence in the series and they add other characters from "20 years ago" that haven't been relevant in years. If the leak is real and you have Geno, Isaac, etc. on the roster...I have no idea why you're downplaying Dixie.

The Donkey Kong franchise sold more than half the franchises on the roster, Dixie should have been added a long time ago.

[Prowler]

Dixie is playable in 2 out of 3 of the original DKC trilogy games, more than Donkey Kong is. She's a starring character in her franchise and continued to appear in spinoffs in the 2000's, then returned in Tropical Freeze in 2014. She's a lead character in the games and the most iconic Nintendo character not playable on the roster (besides Toad).

I don't understand what "20 years ago" has to do with anything when she has a continue presence in the series and they add other characters from "20 years ago" that haven't been relevant in years. If the leak is real and you have Geno, Isaac, etc. on the roster...I have no idea why you're downplaying Dixie.

The Donkey Kong franchise sold more than half the franchises on the roster, Dixie should have been added a long time ago.
Well i didn't know that. I forgot she was also in DKC3, but had no clue she was in Tropical Freeze. Spinoffs? Like that game with the drums for the GC?

Isaac? The one from Golden Sun? is indeed a surprise but the GS games were kinda popular at the time.

No idea why Dixie isn't in it, but tbh I can live without her. For all we know she could have just ended up as being another clone.

[Allio]

So apparently Nintendo renewed trademark for
banjo-kazooie.

Would explain the lack of microsoft on the box they released. Could be also related to the Classic N64. Then again what best way to promote the Classic N64 then to use Smash as a sort of release line up.

[neatoman]

So apparently Nintendo renewed trademark for
banjo-kazooie.

Would explain the lack of microsoft on the box they released. Could be also related to the Classic N64. Then again what best way to promote the Classic N64 then to use Smash as a sort of release line up.

Why would they register a trademark for an IP they don't own? Wouldn't that be a conflict of interest?

[CyberCubed]

The IP is still owned by Rare/Microsoft, it just says they're the original owner.

In any case if the N64 classic is real, it is possible they're doing this so Banjo-Kazooie and other Rare games can appear on an N64 classic. Microsoft and Phil Spencer seem to be playing ball. I guess we'll see if this is true or not.

Personally I still have my doubts, but then again crazier things that I thought would never happen in a million years became true in the past. So who knows.

[sdp]

FAKE NEWS, nintendo didn't register anything, it's just clickbait from people who don't understand trademark filings and the reason nintendo's name is there. Microsoft has always had a good relationship with Nintendo, GBA, DS, 3DS, Wii U, Switch all had games by Microsoft in one way or another.

We can start making DLC wish lists now that the grinch leaked smash :lol: Dixie can go there. Likely a Gen 8 Pokemon, the few missing legacy stages not on Ultimate and....who cares the roster is banging, i'd rather have no DLC.

Every insider says the leak is fake so the odds are against them :lol: i'm #teamreal just because the memes are too fun, they would've had to go through a hell of a lot of effort for it to be fake, insiders have been wrong before, we'll see. Imagine the meltdowns if Incineroar & Ken are the only two characters left like many insiders are saying lol

[CyberCubed]

DLC is usually reserved for new characters who weren't around when Sakurai finalized the roster back in 2015, like the Xenoblade 2 heroes, ARMS, Gen 8 Pokemon, or new big third party characters. I feel like we can already predict who the DLC will be because none of the characters from the Switch era are in Smash yet.

Again it depends if the leak is real or not. I still have my doubts. The game comes out December 7th and that means we literally have 1 month left to debut all the rest of the newcomers. I find it hard to believe we're getting 5+ newcomer trailers in the span of a month, the pacing just doesn't make sense.

[Allio]

My impossible wish will be forever be:

Agumon
Metabee
Amaterasu
Pyramid head
Sachiko

[Ninjinister]

Sachiko


:-?

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1919/44678223095_f1e717fc31_b.jpg

:tneutral:

[Allio]

Sorry, Sachiko from Corpse Party. Could even have Heavenly Host as a stage and stuff

[CyberCubed]

Whelp, multiple insiders on ResetEra and other sites are saying the banner leak is fake, although some of the character on it did make it. It's also missing characters (one probably being Incineroar who they all say is in), and maybe one or two others. I figured Banjo was nothing but a pipedream.

The direct is on Nov. 1st, so we'll know the truth in 2 days. The backlash if some characters don't make it will be something though.

[Redeemer]

Whelp, multiple insiders on ResetEra and other sites are saying the banner leak is fake, although some of the character on it did make it. It's also missing characters (one probably being Incineroar who they all say is in), and maybe one or two others. I figured Banjo was nothing but a pipedream.

The direct is on Nov. 1st, so we'll know the truth in 2 days. The backlash if some characters don't make it will be something though.

From what I have been hearing if this is fake someone needs a new life with how elaborate it is. :lol:

The source of leak apparently came from one of the marketing companies former employees.
I am 99% sure the leak is %100 real. As you said we will know in a couple days.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

someone needs a new life

Sounds like 99% of the users on Smash Faqs.

[CyberCubed]

Tomorrow is the final Smash direct, 10amEST. The final characters on the base roster will be revealed. Besides Incineroar and Ken I wonder who made the final cut.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Tomorrow is the final Smash direct, 10amEST. The final characters on the base roster will be revealed. Besides Incineroar and Ken I wonder who made the final cut.

Even if it was just them two for the base roster, I would be very satisfied.

Not to mention that we're finally gonna know what that hidden mode is all about.

Its gonna be 3 am where I am when the direct goes live, I'll be waiting eagerly for it.

[sdp]

Captain N or bust

Also:

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/747/044/d03.jpg


Insiders are acting like cocky and douche bags about it so the leak has to be fake, they wound't be this arrogant unless they knew for sure, a shame, it would've been great to see them be completely wrong again like they were with the Switch reveal.

[Allio]

Final minutes. Grinch leak real or fake it doesn’t matter, I have come to terms a digimon will never appear

Edit: not gonna lie, Ken and Incenaroar are kind of disappointing I guess since everyone was saying them. I mean not even Shadow an easy echo. Guess I was expecting someone to blow me away.

Though not gonna deny, the free dlc almost makes up for it. It’s almost so absurd I can’t help but love it.

[sdp]

I was happy with the roster before this final reveal, I was ready for the leak to be fake, I was ready for incineroar, but I wasn't ready for JUST incineroar, so yeah I'm underwhelmed.

[Redeemer]

Time for me to eat crow :lol:

I am so freaking disappointed that Shadow is not playable....

[Turo602]

While I'm satisfied with the roster as is, it's disappointing the leak wasn't real. Though, I think I'm even more disappointed at the lack of trophies. I always enjoyed unlocking them and seeing the amount grow. Can't imagine who the 5 DLC characters will be though. Glad we'll be getting more.

[sdp]

the tears are just now drying up leaving a salty trail, no adventure/subspace type single player, no trophies, incineroar being the last reveal, Piranha plant being a character before waluigi/captoad, no mach rider, no banjo, no shantae, no geno, no shadow, 5 characters as DLC and they already hinted the xenodweeb 2 character is likely, we'll get arms character as the other and we'll get bad choices for dlc :lol: Oh wait there's dlc, the rollercoaster continues ! :lol:

[Allio]

You know this means box theory was right

[Ninjinister]

You know this means box theory was right

What is this

[Powder]

Meh. Piranha Plant is certainly a fun surprise, but otherwise, I share sdp's overall disappointment. I'm less salty though as I dropped all expectations after the first direct.

That DLC is freakin' overpriced, though.

[Ninjinister]

Meh. Piranha Plant is certainly a fun surprise, but otherwise, I share sdp's overall disappointment.

I'm tryin'a figure out how people can be disappointed with 74 bloody characters. Outside of randos that nobody cares about, there really aren't too many characters they can pull from.


That DLC is freakin' overpriced, though.

$6 for a character + stage + music or $25 for a five pack? What game do you play that gives you that for less?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Incineroar is my dream come true. I think he is the best pick of a Generation 7 Pokemon rep, and certainly a way better pick than Decidueye.

Really glad that all the fake leaks can be put to rest, now that we know the whole base roster.

[raph27]

Piranha Plant is such a stupid character and I love him. Totally out of left field.

Spirits are neat I guess? Probably not going to use them much, just like the fighter powerups in Smash 4.

Pretty excited about that story mode, the intro cutscene they showed was great. The whole cast just got snapped.

[Redeemer]

Hey guys I am picking up my Nintendo Switch tomorrow can you guys recommend me a quality protective glass and case or any other accessories I should pick up????

[Cure]

I'm pretty happy with all of this. The plant is so weird that I'm excited for him. He looks fun.

[Turo602]

Hey guys I am picking up my Nintendo Switch tomorrow can you guys recommend me a quality protective glass and case or any other accessories I should pick up????

I got this one and it's worked for me pretty great.
https://www.amazon.com/amFilm-Tempered-Screen-Protector-Nintendo-Switch/dp/B01N3ASPNV/ref=mp_s_a_1_3/147-6770432-4528652?ie=UTF8&qid=1541120164&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=nintendo+switch+glass+protector&dpPl=1&dpID=51U4W5JWUIL&ref=plSrch
Also, I definitely reccomend getting a pro controller.

[Allio]

Though you will need a GameCube adaptor for smash

[snake]

I'm a salty grinchbro. I fell for that leak hook line and sinker. It's going to take me awhile to get over this one.

[Turo602]

Though you will need a GameCube adaptor for smash

Nah, not necessary.

[Ninjinister]

Nah, not necessary.

Agreed. I'd rather have a pro controller. Or y'know the joycons might be alright for this. There's some games that control like butt on it but some are decent or better.

[raph27]

Hey guys I am picking up my Nintendo Switch tomorrow can you guys recommend me a quality protective glass and case or any other accessories I should pick up????

As previously mentioned, I'd recommend the amFilm screen protector. Cheap and great quality.

As far as cases go, you have a ton of options all depending on what you want out of it. I use the Hestia Goods case, it's a hard case that has pouches for 20 games plus a large mesh compartment for chargers and other things.

I'd also recommend picking up a microSD card considering the Switch only comes with 32GB. There's a 128GB one on Amazon right now for $23.

[Cure]

Only tournament nerds still use Gamecube controllers.

[Allio]

or anyone that likes how the controller feel.

and just to be clear, I was joking earlier.

[sdp]

I dunno, I don't like to be a controller elitist but I think one of the reasons I didn't play Smash 4 as much was because I didn't love how it played with either the Wii U gamepad or with the Wii U Pro controller.

I hope the joycons are a little better since I really don't need more cables in my house just to play with the GC controller. I wish there was a 1st party wireless GC controller instead.

I'm super excited to see what the DLC is, since we're getting DLC until 2020 I guess we can expect maybe two season passes? I also mentioned this before but I hope this is Sakurai's last Smash, I love him but I want someone else's take and I want Sakurai to work on other franchises whether it's Kid Icarus again or a new IP.

Hey guys I am picking up my Nintendo Switch tomorrow can you guys recommend me a quality protective glass and case or any other accessories I should pick up????

I bought and really liked the Amazon Basics Switch case which besides the case also a nice tempered glass protector, a microfiber screen and some decent grips all for fairly cheap like $20.




I'm tryin'a figure out how people can be disappointed with 74 bloody characters. Outside of randos that nobody cares about, there really aren't too many characters they can pull from.

Well Smash for one gives me 69 characters more for just $35 more.

People are disappointed because it was an underwhelming final reveal and there are tons of characters to pull from even just from first party alone there are tons of highly requested characters and obscure ones, if we go third party the possibilities are endless. The fact that Smash 4 basically already did the "everyone is here" gimmick, they only missed like 5 characters so that wasn't such a big reveal either

[Allio]

Never played Smash Wii-u (didn't have a wii-u, shocker) so I can't say anything about the controller. As for Brawl...I mean it was the wii-mote and nunchuck, any chance I had to get away from that playstyle I took.

[Turo602]

I never had any problem with any controller with the Smash games. It's not that hard to adapt.

[CyberCubed]

I'm tryin'a figure out how people can be disappointed with 74 bloody characters. Outside of randos that nobody cares about, there really aren't too many characters they can pull from.?

Agreed, the only real Nintendo all-stars still missing is Dixie Kong, and if you count Captain Toad separate from the Toads with Peach/Daisy. Besides that every other major Nintendo rep is in the game.

Most other characters people want are either third parties, stuff like Banjo-kazooie owned by Microsoft, and one-off randos like Geno or characters from dead franchises. While it would be nice to have these characters too, they aren't essential.

There really aren't any other major Nintendo reps left, especially now that ARMS also got the assist trophy treatment, and Sakurai passed on the other Xenoblade protagonists.

[Ninjinister]

Well Smash for one gives me 69 characters more for just $35 more.

People are disappointed because it was an underwhelming final reveal and there are tons of characters to pull from even just from first party alone there are tons of highly requested characters and obscure ones, if we go third party the possibilities are endless. The fact that Smash 4 basically already did the "everyone is here" gimmick, they only missed like 5 characters so that wasn't such a big reveal either

So essentially, nothing they could have done short of the impossible would have sufficed.

Seems pretty entitled.

[Cure]

How the **** does 2020 mean two expansion passes? 5 characters after the piranha plant is welll into 2020.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I never had any problem with any controller with the Smash games. It's not that hard to adapt.

Me too. I will be getting the Gamecube controller, but I'm still very excitedly looking forward to the Joycon.

[Allio]

I never had any problem with any controller with the Smash games. It's not that hard to adapt.

Motion controls for fighting games never worked for me. Ended up getting a classic controller for Yugioh 5Ds and Dragon Knight.

Think only one it worked for was Okami.

[sdp]

So essentially, nothing they could have done short of the impossible would have sufficed.

Seems pretty entitled.

The grinch leak would've sufficed ;)
Just changing the reveal trailers from K.Rool to the end and Incineroar would've caused less salt as we would've gone out on a bang. You can read my posts in this thread, I was already happy with the roster before even the last few reveals.

Agreed, the only real Nintendo all-stars still missing is Dixie Kong, and if you count Captain Toad separate from the Toads with Peach/Daisy. Besides that every other major Nintendo rep is in the game.

Most other characters people want are either third parties, stuff like Banjo-kazooie owned by Microsoft, and one-off randos like Geno or characters from dead franchises. While it would be nice to have these characters too, they aren't essential.

There really aren't any other major Nintendo reps left, especially now that ARMS also got the assist trophy treatment, and Sakurai passed on the other Xenoblade protagonists.

Dixie is not more relevant than the other characters you mention, she's a thing of the past just like many. Also you want Skull Kid who was only the antagonist in one game.

How the **** does 2020 mean two expansion passes? 5 characters after the piranha plant is welll into 2020.

It's speculation, but Nintendo did mention that they wanted more DLC for their big games at the last earnings meeting, I can see it happening. For me personally I'd prefer less DLC since because I don't want to pay 5 bucks for a character, I never did get the Wii U Smash DLC for those reasons, I didn't play the game enough to justify it.

[Allio]

Remember spirits can possibly be playable characters. We have already seen spirits of Wii fit trainer

[CyberCubed]

Dixie is not more relevant than the other characters you mention, she's a thing of the past just like many. Also you want Skull Kid who was only the antagonist in one game..

Dixie is one of the biggest Nintendo characters missing if you don't count playable Toad by himself, she's playable in more games of the SNES trilogy than Donkey Kong himself is, and just returned in Tropical Freeze. She's a core part of the Donkey Kong franchise. How is she a thing of the past when she's playable in the last core DK game released?

There's no other Nintendo character outside of Toad himself who is a more important Nintendo character at this point not on the roster. People also wanted another Zelda rep due to no real newcomer since Melee, but even that isn't essential since you have the core cast. The DK franchise was always neglected for years prior to K. Rool.

[Cure]

It's speculation, but Nintendo did mention that they wanted more DLC for their big games at the last earnings meeting, I can see it happening. For me personally I'd prefer less DLC since because I don't want to pay 5 bucks for a character, I never did get the Wii U Smash DLC for those reasons, I didn't play the game enough to justify it.

OK? Still doesn't answer the question.

[GoldMutant]

I haven't made a lot of comments since starting college. Hell, even when starting this thread, I haven't made many posts on it. Nonetheless, wanted to give my own two cents on the characters and the new Spirits mode. I'll keep my thoughts very brief for now:

Inkling- A very inventive playstyle, but not heavily into them as I haven't played Splatoon as of this post. Maybe some day I will, but I am curious regardless.

Ridley- "Too big," my foot. About damn time Metroid is getting more representation. Ridley's trailer was awesome and he's definitely looking to be the second of the newcomers I'm using for his style. He's only second, however, to...

Simon Belmont- Simon, next to Mega Man, was my most wanted character. His playstyle looks really good and for both homages and its soundtrack, Dracula's Castle is gearing up to be a favorite stage of mine. I just wish Battle of the Holy from Castlevania: The Adventure was one of the thirty-four selectable tracks. Can't complain on too much though, I'm just happy Castlevania's back.

King K. Rool- Although I have stronger ties to Ridley and Simon due to growing up with Metroid and Castlevania, K. Rool has my favorite of the reveal trailers. Nothing too dramatic or melancholy, just straight up fun, especially with Dedede trolling everyone. Going to give him a try for fun mostly. Welcome back, K. Rool.

Isabelle- Honestly, not withstanding one of the Echo Fighters, Isabelle is honestly my least favorite character introduced. She's not bad by any means, but just doesn't seem interesting enough compared to the previous characters revealed. Congrats to more Animal Crossing representation, but otherwise, I'm likely just sticking with Villager.

Incineroar- I may like Decuideye a little more, but Incineroar looks freaking incredible. Max Malicious Moonsault might very well be a contender for my favorite Final Smash now in the series. The moveset looks really good as well. The trailer for it I got a smile out of as well. Honestly, Incineroar looks great.

Daisy/Richter/Chrom/Dark Samus/Ken- I don't really have much to say on the Echo Fighters other than them being serviceable. The only one I really don't like of these five is Daisy only because she doesn't feel too unique compared to Peach, who Daisy is based on. The others I like in some way shape or form, with my personal favorite being a toss up between Chrom and Ken.

I'm not going to talk about Piranha Plant until it's out. I will say it fits in with Sakurai putting in oddball characters we least expect (G&W, R.O.B., Wii Fit). Otherwise, I'm honestly satisfied with the roster regardless of the DLC being added in. I do find it dumb, however, to advertise the entire DLC in a $25 bundle together if one's confident in it. Might be a good marketing ploy, but I'll just wait regardless.

The new Adventure Mode really hit me. "Everyone is Here" just got put to shame here. I'm definitely ready to buy a Switch solely for the hype now, and goddamn, that theme is so good.

[CyberCubed]

A lot of new info has been out and the game actually has a lot of cut content from previous Smash games. The following modes are gone this time around:

- Event Matches
- Master/Crazy Orders
- Break the Targets
- Home Run Contest
- Stage Builder
- Custom Moves
- Smash Tour
- Smash Run
- Coin Smash
- Masterpieces
- "Real" All-star, it's now just in multi-man melee where everyone comes at once, so it's All-Star is gone (given we have 72 characters now that's a good thing)
- Multi-man Melee now only has 100 Smash and Cruel Smash, the 3-15 minute ones are gone
- Trophies/Trophy Rush/Hoard
- Snake's Codecs and Palutena Guidances are gone, and as far as we know now there's nothing that replaced them


Only returning modes are Classic, Training, Multi-man Melee (but again only 100/Cruel/simplified All-star), and of course the traditional Vs. modes and online. Of course special and 8 player Smash return, tourney, and all the stuff in Vs. is still there.

Spirits Mode/World of Light is basically the single player content this time, and as said it's also just fights, no levels like Subspace Emmissary and no random enemies, you just go directly to Smash fights and a few bosses. It's also been confirmed there's not many cutscenes, just one at the beginning, a few introducing bosses and probably the ending, so don't expect a huge cinematic story mode like Brawl's was.

Overall I don't care about the cut content, besides finding it odd that Stage Builder and Home Run Contest are gone, but oh well.

[sdp]

A shame, some of those modes were fun and a single player is what people have wanted since Melee teased us, Subspace didn't get it right but we wanted them to improve upon it instead of scrapping it all together. If this is Sakurai's last Smash I think it's more likely. Trimming the character roster should help, there are dozens of characters they can trim and people wouldn't care and would help make the game more manageable.

I don't think that this will be Sakurai's last Smash though which is both good and bad. The best part about Sakurai is he always gives much deserved loved to Kirby in the game and his level of details but like Miyamoto he has a annoyances that he will absolutely not let go off and a vision that despite everyone wanting stuff in the game, they just don't won't do it.

Can you buy the DLC now if I'm getting the physical game? I have gold coins expiring this month and I might as well use them to help lower the cost of the DLC.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah, the DLC is $24.99 for 5 unknown characters and stages. Problem is I wouldn't buy the DLC until we know which fighters are going to be, knowing Sakurai they'll all be random anime JRPG characters or 5 Fire Emblem characters. :lol:

The fact that there's 7 Fire Emblem characters on the roster and 3 of them are Marth clones makes me sick. Sakurai really needs to tone down his bias toward the Fire Emblem series and give other franchises a chance. We only had two DK characters till now but we can have 7 Fire Emblem characters who all look almost exactly the same?

There's a reason "Sakurai bias" is commonly said in Smash circles, he puts the characters he wants in Smash and ignores a lot of fan requests. It took us over 10+ years since Brawl to convince him to finally make Ridley playable, a character we should have gotten back in 2008. :lol:

[raph27]

he puts the characters he wants in Smash and ignores a lot of fan requests.

There are 74 fighters in this game, still not enough? You wanna go on for another ten pages about Dixie Kong just like you did for Smash 4?

Not everyone's favorites will make it in, but I feel the team has done a pretty good job filling out the roster. Especially with this game, it seems like they were really catering to the fans, not only with much-wanted veterans like Snake and Ice Climbers but also Simon, Ridley, and K. Rool, the last one probably not even been considered if it wasn't for vocal fans.

Of course more Fire Emblem characters are in the recent games, because Fire Emblem has become a lot more popular ever since Awakening. I can't believe people are still whining about "bias". Sorry that Super Mario RPG is like 25 years old and people know Chrom a lot more than Geno.

As for the DLC, I have no idea who they'll pick. My two guesses were Chibi-Robo and someone from ARMS, but those both got shot out through Mii costumes. Banjo and is a possibility. Personally I'd love to see Phoenix Wright but I know that's a long shot.

[sdp]

You heard us right no Geno no dixie, game is trash. I'm selling my Switch tomorrow and I know others are as well, Sakurai is literally ruining my life.

[Redeemer]

There are 74 fighters in this game, still not enough? You wanna go on for another ten pages about Dixie Kong just like you did for Smash 4?

Not everyone's favorites will make it in, but I feel the team has done a pretty good job filling out the roster. Especially with this game, it seems like they were really catering to the fans, not only with much-wanted veterans like Snake and Ice Climbers but also Simon, Ridley, and K. Rool, the last one probably not even been considered if it wasn't for vocal fans.

Of course more Fire Emblem characters are in the recent games, because Fire Emblem has become a lot more popular ever since Awakening. I can't believe people are still whining about "bias". Sorry that Super Mario RPG is like 25 years old and people know Chrom a lot more than Geno.

As for the DLC, I have no idea who they'll pick. My two guesses were Chibi-Robo and someone from ARMS, but those both got shot out through Mii costumes. Banjo and is a possibility. Personally I'd love to see Phoenix Wright but I know that's a long shot.

Very good points, they have created such a large roster. But I still am shock, annoyed, disappointed that they have that freaking plant as a fighter and not Shadow...... I was hoping Shadow would be an echo fighter and Tails would be the assist trophy. But I still bought the Smash edition switch this past friday. :lol:

[Ninjinister]

I'm tryin'a think of who I'd even want to see as DLC. Nobody cares about my top 3 other than me, and one's kind of a Mario character (and all three are Mario-adjacent) so I'm not sure how likely any of them would be.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

You heard us right no Geno no dixie, game is trash. I'm selling my Switch tomorrow and I know others are as well, Sakurai is literally ruining my life.

That's a bold statement, what were you hoping for? I mean the roster isn't that bad, and the standard and quality that Sakurai implements, is very high. He did say don't expect many new comers.

I kinda of agree about the switch, the games just sub-par, we have 2 AAA titles and the rest are just ports.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Yeah, the DLC is $24.99 for 5 unknown characters and stages. Problem is I wouldn't buy the DLC until we know which fighters are going to be, knowing Sakurai they'll all be random anime JRPG characters or 5 Fire Emblem characters. :lol:

I have unshakable blind faith in Daddy Sakurai, so I'll buy the fighters pass immediately.

[GoldMutant]

Yeah, the DLC is $24.99 for 5 unknown characters and stages. Problem is I wouldn't buy the DLC until we know which fighters are going to be, knowing Sakurai they'll all be random anime JRPG characters or 5 Fire Emblem characters. :lol:

The fact that there's 7 Fire Emblem characters on the roster and 3 of them are Marth clones makes me sick. Sakurai really needs to tone down his bias toward the Fire Emblem series and give other franchises a chance.

As others have stated, the oversea sales of Fire Emblem (especially after the release of Awakening) have contributed to its growing popularity. The amount of Marth clones is still a pain in the ass, however. Personally wish Lucina was an alternate skin of Marth still; least Chrom is a Roy Echo with elements of Ike.

I am curious on who we're going to get as DLC. I figure at the least we're getting Bandana Waddle Dee, another Xenoblade character possibly, and potentially Banjo-Kazooie depending on the rights. If they're agreed on, I figure Banjo might very well be the second-to-last or the final DLC character unveiled. Otherwise, I'm uncertain.

[Redeemer]

That's a bold statement, what were you hoping for? I mean the roster isn't that bad, and the standard and quality that Sakurai implements, is very high. He did say don't expect many new comers.

I kinda of agree about the switch, the games just sub-par, we have 2 AAA titles and the rest are just ports.

I think he was being sarcastic :lol:

[CyberCubed]

Realistically at least 3 out of the 5 DLC will probably be third party characters. That's what it was in Smash U, and I think third party characters to maximize sales is the most likely.

I hope we get at least 2 big Nintendo 1st party reps. Between the Assist trophies de-confirming half the popular requests, there's not many options left. Dixie, maybe Captain Toad/Toadette are among the few 1st parties not with Assists. Geno would be third party IF he gets in, and even then Square probably wants one of their characters promoted over a one-off from 22 years ago.

Banjo-Kazooie is also a long shot, it basically depends if Microsoft and Nintendo really are ready to co-operate. If an N64 classic does get announced with Rare games, I'd say he's more likely...but as of right now, I dunno. I wouldn't get your hopes up.

[Redeemer]

Realistically at least 3 out of the 5 DLC will probably be third party characters. That's what it was in Smash U, and I think third party characters to maximize sales is the most likely.

I hope we get at least 2 big Nintendo 1st party reps. Between the Assist trophies de-confirming half the popular requests, there's not many options left. Dixie, maybe Captain Toad/Toadette are among the few 1st parties not with Assists. Geno would be third party IF he gets in, and even then Square probably wants one of their characters promoted over a one-off from 22 years ago.

Banjo-Kazooie is also a long shot, it basically depends if Microsoft and Nintendo really are ready to co-operate. If an N64 classic does get announced with Rare games, I'd say he's more likely...but as of right now, I dunno. I wouldn't get your hopes up.

I think Banjo Kazooie is actually pretty realistic sense he is a classic Nintendo character and Microsoft and Nintendo have working partnership right now....for now at least :lol:

Also I agree about the DLC and that is why I believe Banjo will be one of the DLC characters. I am wondering if we will get any more sonic characters. Maybe we one the DLC characters could be another Sonic character??? One can hope!

[sdp]

Nintendo and Microsoft have always had a very chummy relationship since the beginning, I think the main reason against Banjo being on Smash is that Nintendo being a Japanese company they're very proud and stubborn so including a rival's mascot character might be a no-no. I loved Banjo as a kid and was sad to see him leave Nintendo but since Microsoft never really used him I kind of outgrew Banjo and most of my nostalgia for him so I never wanted him in Smash until I saw the grinch Leak and realized that no matter what his N64 titles were still amazing and he deserved to be in.

Same with Geno, I absolutely loved SMRPG as a kid and Geno was my favorite party member but I always thought if we were getting a Square-Enix representative I'd rather have a Black Mage or even a Slime, that is until I saw the leak and I just thought he'd be amazing in smash.

It'll be until after Piranha plant releases that we'll likely get the first DLC character revealed, hell it might not be until E3 so I won't even care to think of DLC characters now, I do think they'll rely on third parties since it's easier to give them a chunk of money for the sales. My only big wish for the DLC is that it'd include previous stages/pokeballs/AT that didn't make the cut on Ultimate as an added incentive instead of something lame like Mii costumes.

[CyberCubed]

As long as the DLC isn't 5 more JRPG anime animu characters who all look the same, I'm fine with anyone. Looking at the character select screen online, all the Fire Emblem characters look so bland and out of place compared to all of Nintendo's cartoony and colorful mascots, animal characters, pokemon, aliens, etc. 7 Fire Emblem's and 4 of them being blue haired anime swordsman.

I give Cloud a pass because he's a huge icon, but please no more anime JRPG characters. Just please no more JRPG swordsman...Sakurai's Fire Emblem obsession is ridiculous.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

As long as the DLC isn't 5 more JRPG anime animu characters who all look the same, I'm fine with anyone. Looking at the character select screen online, all the Fire Emblem characters look so bland and out of place compared to all of Nintendo's cartoony and colorful mascots, animal characters, pokemon, aliens, etc. 7 Fire Emblem's and 4 of them being blue haired anime swordsman.

I give Cloud a pass because he's a huge icon, but please no more anime JRPG characters. Just please no more ...Sakurai's Fire Emblem obsession is ridiculous.

I think we are getting just that, 5 JRPG swordsman.

[CyberCubed]

The horror, the horror!

I'd like to see some interesting characters in DLC before we have to wait 5+ years for the next Smash.

[Powder]

As long as the DLC isn't 5 more JRPG anime animu characters who all look the same, I'm fine with anyone. Looking at the character select screen online, all the Fire Emblem characters look so bland and out of place compared to all of Nintendo's cartoony and colorful mascots, animal characters, pokemon, aliens, etc. 7 Fire Emblem's and 4 of them being blue haired anime swordsman.

I give Cloud a pass because he's a huge icon, but please no more anime JRPG characters. Just please no more JRPG swordsman...Sakurai's Fire Emblem obsession is ridiculous.

I'm with you on this.

[Turo602]

Given the work Ubisoft has done with Nintendo with the Mario Rabbids game and currently Starlink, I think they should definitely show Ubisoft some love and make Rayman one of the DLC characters. I think he'd be a perfect fit and they'd have no trouble integrating his moves into the game as it would translate perfectly.

I would definitely love to see another Sonic character. I was really hoping for Shadow to have been a fighter since he was previously not shown to be an assist and is a pretty obvious echo to Sonic. It's just odd for a series like Castlevania to get 2 characters and even Street Fighter, but not Sonic. So my only other 2 picks for some brand new fleshed out fighters from the Sonic franchise worthy of being DLC would be Eggman or Classic Sonic.

I previously stated I'd like to see Classic Sonic be an echo, but if he's unique enough to have his own games or playstyle in Sonic games, then there should be no problem making him a unique fighter. Eggman is a little more goofy, but I see him working more like Bowser Jr., though instead of being in a clown car, he'd be in that flying vehicle he's always in. Though, I wouldn't mind if he was just a boss character either.

I thought they really wasted the opportunity to include an Arms character. It was disappointing seeing Spring-Man be nothing more than an assist. Really thought that was wasted potential and as far as DLC goes, I think it would be highly unlikely to see Arms get any representation as it probably wouldn't be the hottest DLC.

I've seen this one suggested in a video and I couldn't agree more with it, and that's King Boo. Luigi's Mansion has been getting some love recently, and given that the third one is set to release next year, I think it would be great timing to have King Boo represent the Luigi's Mansion series as a way to increase interest in the next installment.

[Redeemer]

Given the work Ubisoft has done with Nintendo with the Mario Rabbids game and currently Starlink, I think they should definitely show Ubisoft some love and make Rayman one of the DLC characters. I think he'd be a perfect fit and they'd have no trouble integrating his moves into the game as it would translate perfectly.

I would definitely love to see another Sonic character. I was really hoping for Shadow to have been a fighter since he was previously not shown to be an assist and is a pretty obvious echo to Sonic. It's just odd for a series like Castlevania to get 2 characters and even Street Fighter, but not Sonic. So my only other 2 picks for some brand new fleshed out fighters from the Sonic franchise worthy of being DLC would be Eggman or Classic Sonic.

I previously stated I'd like to see Classic Sonic be an echo, but if he's unique enough to have his own games or playstyle in Sonic games, then there should be no problem making him a unique fighter. Eggman is a little more goofy, but I see him working more like Bowser Jr., though instead of being in a clown car, he'd be in that flying vehicle he's always in. Though, I wouldn't mind if he was just a boss character either.

I thought they really wasted the opportunity to include an Arms character. It was disappointing seeing Spring-Man be nothing more than an assist. Really thought that was wasted potential and as far as DLC goes, I think it would be highly unlikely to see Arms get any representation as it probably wouldn't be the hottest DLC.

I've seen this one suggested in a video and I couldn't agree more with it, and that's King Boo. Luigi's Mansion has been getting some love recently, and given that the third one is set to release next year, I think it would be great timing to have King Boo represent the Luigi's Mansion series as a way to increase interest in the next installment.

I would like to see Tails or Knuckles. I feel like knuckles would be an obvious echo fighter. While I prefer shadow Knuckles has more exposure in the video games and is probably a more recognizable character to the casual fan.

[CyberCubed]

They're not going to spend so much time making another third party character from the same series, echoes are easy to make, but a ground-up new character? Why bother do that when you can advertise a new character from the company and another franchise instead? Shadow's only chance was an echo but none of the other Sonic characters are going to be made over important third party characters. Since Sakurai said Nintendo chose the fighters this time they're probably going to be relevant characters, probably less third parties than I thought anyway.

[Turo602]

I would like to see Tails or Knuckles. I feel like knuckles would be an obvious echo fighter. While I prefer shadow Knuckles has more exposure in the video games and is probably a more recognizable character to the casual fan.

I would have definitely loved to see Knuckles be a fighter but he's already an assist. Also, Knuckles doesn't really fit as an echo character. He's unique enough to warrant a brand new moveset.

They're not going to spend so much time making another third party character from the same series, echoes are easy to make, but a ground-up new character? Why bother do that when you can advertise a new character from the company and another franchise instead? Shadow's only chance was an echo but none of the other Sonic characters are going to be made over important third party characters. Since Sakurai said Nintendo chose the fighters this time they're probably going to be relevant characters, probably less third parties than I thought anyway.

That's irrelevant to the discussion of what we would like to see. Nobody was speculating.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Well Sakurai just said on his twitter that Nintendo choose the DLC, not himself. So that means promotional characters. The only hope for Banjo now, is if his games are on the N64 mini.

I guess that is why we got bayonetta last time, Nintendo most likely felt she need the power that smash gives franchises to boost sales of the games.

I am not expecting anything good from this DLC at all:cry::cry:

[CyberCubed]

Dixie and El Capitan Toad/Toadette let's go.

[Shark_Blade]

I have Sonic & Bayonetta, I’m good.

[Redeemer]

I have Sonic & Bayonetta, I’m good.

Ah.... Your a Bayonetta player..... The worse kind of smash player...... :lol:

[Shark_Blade]

Hey if you can win with her you can win. :D Who do you main?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Who do you main?

Smash 64:

Pikachu, then Fox

Melee:

Mewtwo, then Pichu

Brawl:

Sonic, then Pokemon Trainer

[Andrew NDB]

I wonder why there hasn't been a Super Smash Bros. porno yet. It rather writes itself.

[sdp]

I wonder why there hasn't been a Super Smash Bros. porno yet. It rather writes itself.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/67514f0200ffd4859ae1b127c3a8eb24/tumblr_o3zwbdq2eI1ue7nsho1_1280.jpg

[Ninjinister]

I wonder why there hasn't been a Super Smash Bros. porno yet. It rather writes itself.

The internet exists, so there is.

I don't even wanna know why it came to mind for you.

[Redeemer]

Hey if you can win with her you can win. :D Who do you main?

:lol:

I have played the last two that much, but for Smash 64 and Melee I used Captain Falcon.

[CyberCubed]

I don't "main" anyone, I play as all the characters. Some more than others obviously, but I never stick to one character or two. Never understood how in a literally 72 character roster people would ignore 90% of the fighters just to play as one or two. Unless you play competitively for real life money, what's the point? The whole point of the game is to try out everyone or else why bother to have so many characters to choose from.

[CyberCubed]

So I'm sure people know the game has been datamined, I'm really surprised how much Sakurai left secret and didn't reveal. The World of Light is far bigger and longer than anyone could have realized. And the new bosses all the look amazing, I'm shocked he kept them under wraps. Won't spoil who they are but I'm sure some know (and don't spoil it for people who don't want to know), but there's a lot of great stuff. I'm legit hyped and the single player looks far better than I imagined.

Love a lot of the new alt colors and Mii costumes, Skull Kid in particular has an excellent Mii costume that makes you feel like you're playing as him, since the mask covers the "generic mii face" and the proportions of the mii's are near identical to Skull Kid. Isaac also got a nice Mii outfit too.

The Palutena Guidances also returned with new ones for the newcomers, and surprisingly Snakes Brawl codecs are back but none for any of the newcomers after Brawl, so only 30ish characters on the roster have them since they're the old recordings from 2008. :lol:

Overall I'm hyped, I have a few characters I can still hope for DLC that weren't de-confirmed with Assist trophies yet like Dixie, but besides that I am content. The Zelda franchise really got great treatment this time around despite not having a newcomer, and I'll leave it at that. Lastly so much new amazing remixes of music was added, particular many of the DKC2 music tracks. The over 800 song soundtrack is incredible from all the games.

[Prowler]

I don't "main" anyone, I play as all the characters. Some more than others obviously, but I never stick to one character or two. Never understood how in a literally 72 character roster people would ignore 90% of the fighters just to play as one or two. Unless you play competitively for real life money, what's the point? The whole point of the game is to try out everyone or else why bother to have so many characters to choose from.

"Main" is basically a synonym for "favourite character to play as". In Melee I mostly played as Fox, Falco, Marth, Roy, Mewtwo and Mario. Captain Falcon occasionally as well. Played the least with Peach, Jigglypuff, Ice Climbers and Pichu.

In Smash 3DS I played mostly as Little Mac, Ryu, Sonic, Ike, Charizard and Fox. Used Captain Olimar and Villager the least.

[Cure]

****ing Jokerrrrrr! I love Persona so much!

[Allio]

fastest way to unlock characters

After 10 minutes of playing, whatever match you were in vs will end in A New Foe Appears screen
Defeat them
After you get back to the stage select screen, open up the Switch menu and close Smash Bros. Software
Open the game up again and start a Smash Match
Quickest rules are Stamina Battle - 10HP
After that match, the new foe screen will appear again
Repeat until you unlock everyone

[sdp]

I've never played Persona5 so the Joker announcement got 0 hype from me. If they're all duds for me then it'll be easy to not be tempted to spend money. I just hope we get the missing stages as DLC so this can really be "ultimate".

I've played like maybe an hour or 2 of Ultimate and I can already say I like it more than Smash for Wii U. The joycons are already a better controller than the gamepad or the Wii U Pro controller which I could never use for Smash well. I'm in no rush to unlock all the characters I think that'll be part of the fun so I'm doing it the slow way I guess, every 2 or 3 fights I get a new challenger so it's not like that "slow" way is actually all that slow.

World of Light is a bit boring, worse than subspace since it's forcing you to play in event matches even when you don't want to. I'm already gotten bored and only played for a while, I already had to switch to easy difficulty to get done with it as quick as I can. The spirits leveling up system is just something I don't care to even find out more of, I'd rather they just be random stickers since they're cool. The attention to detail is to be praised but at the end of the day they're just random matches. I'm guessing creating a very short side scrolling level for each of the main characters wouldn't have been much more difficult than the elaborate world of light mode and spirits system they made for this.

I hope I can actually do the world of light "story" mode instead of looking up the FMV on youtube, but we'll see. I beat classic mode with Pikachu and that was a lot cooler, that could be my fav. mode but we'll see. No smash online for me since I'm not paying for the nintendo online yet so whatever.

[Redeemer]

fastest way to unlock characters

After 10 minutes of playing, whatever match you were in vs will end in A New Foe Appears screen
Defeat them
After you get back to the stage select screen, open up the Switch menu and close Smash Bros. Software
Open the game up again and start a Smash Match
Quickest rules are Stamina Battle - 10HP
After that match, the new foe screen will appear again
Repeat until you unlock everyone

Thats cheating!!!!!! :P

Lol I have been doing the spirit quest/campaign and I do agree with other that it is bit hideous at times its something to do and it gives me a chance to practice with different characters.

[Icebot]

I just got the game and started playing it. This is my first ever experience playing a Super Smash game so I’ll be practicing.

[Shark_Blade]

Joker from Persona 5 announcement was the best character crossover reveal yet. Still got the chills and unbelievable feelings. :D People are still feeling surreal.

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Well done, Nintendo - you made a milestone in history again. :D

Persona 5 on Switch next?

[Redeemer]

Joker from Persona 5 announcement was the best character crossover reveal yet. Still got the chills and unbelievable feelings. :D People are still feeling surreal.


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Well done, Nintendo - you made a milestone in history again. :D

Persona 5 on Switch next?

WOW :lol: what a face :lol: is that his sex face or something???? :lol:

[Ninjinister]

I've never understood why people record themselves making faces and noises at announcements. I understand even less how it's considered a viable form of entertainment.

[raph27]

I've never understood why people record themselves making faces and noises at announcements. I understand even less how it's considered a viable form of entertainment.

Gaming Youtubers and their fanbases confuse me. I guess everyone has their own tastes but most of them just seem hyperactive and annoying to me. Reaction videos especially.

I'm really liking Ultimate so far. The graphics got a decent boost over the Wii U version of 4, the newcomers I've unlocked so far have fun movesets, and the sheer amount of content is amazing. World of Light is pretty fun and I like the changed Classic Mode. Surprised at how many little things got upgrades all around, everyone worried about this just being a Smash 4 port should rest easy.

The faster gameplay is better as well but the CPUs are making me realize I need to up my game. Some of the "Challenger Approaching" CPUs are wiping the floor with me.

[Andrew NDB]

I've never understood why people record themselves making faces and noises at announcements. I understand even less how it's considered a viable form of entertainment.

Or "unboxing videos."

[Ninjinister]

Smash is literally eating up any free time I have that's not spent sleeping. Help.

Or "unboxing videos."

I kiiiind of get those for like.. .special things that someone might wanna see what's in it before getting it. Like a special edition of something, just in case you get plastic easter eggs instead of Infinity Stones or a bag that's less sturdy than the kind you take to Fred Meyer.

But I personally don't watch them, and I don't get ones that are just standard game/home media/whatever releases. It's weird. OH SH*T THERE'S STANDARD CHARACTER ART AND A LOGO ON THE DISC HOW EXCITING

[Allio]

Just got Little MAC in World of Light. With him with Legend Rank 4+zapperfish/victimizers, I have broken adventure mode

[Andrew NDB]

Been playing this. How do I unlock different modes?

[Ninjinister]

Been playing this. How do I unlock different modes?

All modes are available from the start.

[CyberCubed]

I already have all 1,300+ spirits except the ones you need to buy the Let's Go games for. Surprisingly getting them was a lot quicker than I expected and not that time consuming, getting the trophies in the old games took a lot longer.

I played for 15 days straight after I got it, but the online is poor due to Nintendo's crappy online servers, so it's best to be played with CPU's or friends at times. I've already moved on from the game back to PS4 games now, but I'll still return to it once every few weeks or so just for some fun matches.

[Allio]

So some datamining has been going on and it seems files for Piranha Plant and Joker are in as well as one titled

Brave which some are speculating is
Dragon Quest Hero

The only one that seemed to be getting these characters right so far (along with other gaming leaks) is saying the last three are

Ryu hayabusa, Doom guy, and Steve

[CyberCubed]

With the exception of Steve, I'm fine with that lineup even if I don't personally care for all the characters, I can understand why they're chosen.

[Turo602]

I was hoping for Scorpion or even Lara Croft. I always thought Ryu Hayabusa would have been a good fit. And apparently Steve is gonna have a Master Chief costume as well. I mean, if Microsoft is gonna go that far, why not just allow Master Chief period? That would have made the internet blow up, and definitely a million times better than Steve. Though, we'll see soon enough.

[Powder]

It's so far-fetched, but I'd love it if these leaks were true. Doomguy, Steve, & Ryu would be super cool.

[Sumac]

Who is Steve?

[Cure]

The main skin from Minecraft.

[Sumac]

Eh, no MK Kharacters?
That's disappointment. Especially since they have brought Akira from Virtua Fighter. On the other hand, no chars from Tekken either.

[sdp]

I don't care for Ryu/Joker/Steve at all but I think they're iconic enough to deserve a spot even, a Dragon Quest hero makes my day and I really wanted either Doom Guy or Scorpion to be in the game so if the leak is real I'd be satisfied. The only way I see me getting the DLC though is if they included the 15 missing stages, I actually haven't played the game since the first week that it launched and haven't unlocked most of the roster so I'm in no hurry.

I think I've outgrown Smash since it's the second game in the series in a row that I just don't care to play. I'm sure I'll play it from time to time but it's far from being the franchise that deserves all the hype it gets from me but I'm sure I'll be in for the hype for Smash 6 in a few years :lol:

We'll likely get a Nintendo Direct this month so they might reveal another DLC character and confirm/deconfirm the leak. Also those who haven't redeemed the piranha plant DLC code you better do it soon!

[Andrew NDB]

Eh, no MK Kharacters?
That's disappointment. Especially since they have brought Akira from Virtua Fighter. On the other hand, no chars from Tekken either.

You were actually thinking they would include MK characters?

[sdp]

You were actually thinking they would include MK characters?

MKXI is being released on the switch at the same time as the PS4/XBO version after not having a MK game since Armageddon in what 2006? There were rumors of one of the DLC characters being a western mature game hence people keep saying Doom Guy/Scorpion, both are iconic and would deserve a spot. I mean if Doom Guy is rumored why is scorpion so out there? We've gotten far more bizarre choices like Snake, Cloud, Joker.

[Andrew NDB]

I wasn't being snarky I just... wow, that would be even more mind-blowing.

[Turo602]

I wasn't being snarky I just... wow, that would be even more mind-blowing.

Right? Especially since they already have Ryu. It would have been the closest thing to a Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat crossover.

[Ninjinister]

It's amazing how many people consider these "leaks" when like 75% of them turn out to be fake as hell.

[Andrew NDB]

OK, so I've unlocked all of the characters that I can get that challenge me, I fight, and I beat during the main game. Are there characters I can get that are hidden, or unlocked by means other than just playing the main game and waiting to be challenged?

[raph27]

OK, so I've unlocked all of the characters that I can get that challenge me, I fight, and I beat during the main game. Are there characters I can get that are hidden, or unlocked by means other than just playing the main game and waiting to be challenged?

Nope, that should be all. Remember to register your game with My Nintendo if you haven't already to get a download code for Piranha Plant who should be coming sometime this month or the next.

[Andrew NDB]

Nope, that should be all. Remember to register your game with My Nintendo if you haven't already to get a download code for Piranha Plant who should be coming sometime this month or the next.

How do I do that?

[sdp]

How do I do that?

I believe you first need a MyNintendo account, just go to my.nintendo.com, you create an account, link your mynintendo account to your switch account and once you do that you can register the game, instead of clicking to get into the game you press the select button (the options for the game) and you click on "register", once it's registered you'll receive an email with the code within 48 hours or so, and you have to redeem that code on the eshop before January 31st. After that whenever the DLC for piranha plant comes out you can just download it for free.

By having a mynintendo account you will also get gold coins for registering games and each gold coin is worth 1 cent, you can use these when you pay anything on the eshop, or even the crappy mynintendo website but there are no good rewards there. (don't confuse them with silver coins which are only for their mobile games and crappy rewards like wallpapers and aren't really worth any money on the eshop).

[Allio]

It's amazing how many people consider these "leaks" when like 75% of them turn out to be fake as hell.

But sometimes finding that 25% is the fun of it

[Ninjinister]

But sometimes finding that 25% is the fun of it

My point is, it's not a leak unless it turns out to be true. Even a true one that hasn't been panned out yet can't be considered a leak until that certainty is there.

[Prowler]

At this point I already have over 50 hours spent on this game, so I think I can safely say how I feel about it:

Love this game. It's great. I didn't expect to like the spirits feature as much as I ended up liking. Also, the Adventure mode aka World of Light is HUGE. I have spent about 6-7 hours on it so far and still haven't beaten it.

I don't have any more praise to add to this game that hasn't been done by many already, so I'm gonna mention what I don't like much now. There's nothing that I strongly dislike about this game, but of course there's an aspect or two I don't like as much as the rest:

1) The Bonus stage in Classic Mode: It's not that great compared to Break the Targets or Race to the Finish. Maybe it's more Melee nostalgia than anything, and yes I understand that making a personalised Break the Targets scenario for every single fighter in Ultimate would be a dauntingly time-consuming task compared to Melee which had way less fighters.

2) The excessive amount of Fire Emblem characters: Sakurai must really love the FE series to have it so overrepresented in the series. That or FE is a big selling series in Japan and he feels "obliged" to add new FE characters each Smash instalment.

I'd not have much of a problem with that if every single fighter was unique or if Roy was the only "clone". But Roy and Lucina are both Marth clones, and Chrom is a Roy clone. At least Ike, Corrin and Robin are all different and I do like the way Corrin plays.

It also doesn't help that Marth, Lucina, Chrom and Ike all have blue hair and look rather similar to each other. And also, at this point enough fighters have swords as their primary weapon, no? :lol:

3) The ending credits being "obligatory" if you want some extra reward like a spirit or something.: Credits should just be a fun optional bonus after you beat classical mode.

4) No Pokéfloats stage: Why?! WHY?! WHYYYYYYYYYYYY?! The Great Cave Offensive, 75m, and Hanenbow make this game but NOT Pokéfloats?! Seriously?!


Now I'm gonna list my favourite and least favourite fighters. Gonna put my flame shield on, because I suspect someone might give me crap for my opinions, but oh well, here goes:


FAVOURITES


Ken: I'm really liking Ken in this game. I already had liked Ryu in Smash 3DS, and also like him in this game, but I like Ken even more. He's fun as hell to play.

Ganondorf: Haters gonna hate, but I really dig Ganondorf. Sure, he's a bit slow and his warlock punch can be quite cheap, but he's very useful for tougher fights. That warlock punch can really knock someone off the screen FAST.

Fox: As a big Fox fan since Melee, I'm happy that he's still as fun to play as in Ultimate as ever.

Daisy: On paper, Daisy doesn't have much of an impressive moveset, but I really enjoy playing as her, for some reason. I guess Peach as well, since Daisy is a full cone clone of her, but I just like Daisy more. I guess because orange is one of my favourite colours, I dunno lol.

Richter: I love whipping my opponents. I guess Simon should be here too, but I've taken more of a liking to Richter, for some reason.

Ryu: Liked him a lot in Smash 3DS and like him a lot in this game.

Wolf: I didn't play Brawl, so I dunno how good Wolf was there and didn't know what to expect much of him in this game. Sure, he's a Fox clone, but still feels a bit different enough that makes that style a bit fresher.


LEAST FAVOURITES:

Jigglypuff: Never liked him/her and never will.

Pikachu: Never liked him in Smash games. At least in Pokémon he can evolve to Raichu... except in Yellow.

Pichu: Yeah, not a fan either.

Wii Fit Trainer: Yeah, no. Disliked this fighter in the previous instalment already and it didn't become any funner to play as in Ultimate.

Captain Olimar: Can't stand this guy's play style. But at least I got my best homerun contest record with him, so he's not entirely useless to me.

Isabelle: I didn't expect much out of her in the first place, but was hoping she'd turn out to be a pleasant surprise, but meh.

Villager: Didn't care much for him in Smash 4, and still don't in Ultimate.

Rosalina: Not fun at all. I can't stand this fighter.

Ness: Ness, like Pikachu, is someone I never liked to play as in Smash. I'm not good with the PK attacks and he's also slow.

Bowser JR.: I don't like this fighter's play style at all.

Lucas: Yeah, don't like him much either.

Also, I wouldn't say I dislike them, but Link and Snake really aren't as fun to play as I expected. Honestly, Young Link is a lot funner to play in this game than Adult Link is. I even prefer Toon Link, in fact. As for Snake, I remember all the hype around him in Brawl, a game I never got around to play. Then he wasn't in Smash 4, so naturally I didn't play as him in that game. Now he returned to Ultimate and I was a bit excited to finally try him out... but I guess he's just not much my style. Oh well.

The rest of the roster is fine, for the most part. I know I complained about there being 4 FE characters that are pretty similar, but at least they're fun to play as.

I haven't gotten the DLC fighters yet, so I can't talk about them.

[Andrew NDB]

I love playing Ryu and Ken in this. It's so funny and weird to go around hadoukening like, Mario and Simon in this.

[Prowler]

I love playing Ryu and Ken in this. It's so funny and weird to go around hadoukening like, Mario and Simon in this.

Both Ryu and Ken don't feel out of place at all in the game. It's quite amazing, actually. They've transitioned pretty well.

I'd like to see Scorpion or Sub-Zero in Smash one day. Of course their final smash couldn't be a fatality or something that makes their opponents bleed, but I'm sure developers could think of something if they thought about it for a while.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Well the new character has been revealed.

[raph27]

Well the new character has been revealed.

I know it's getting a ton of hate all over the Internet, and I can't deny that some of it is justified, but personally...

Three Houses was my 2019 GOTY and one of my favorite games period. I am very happy that my boy (or girl) is in, and super excited to play as him with all the different Relics. The Garreg Mach stage is wonderful as well. After Terry and Joker I was hoping for someone I actually knew, and this was a very exciting pick for me.

Plus the full announcement of Fighter's Pass 2 means six more fighters are coming. The hype train goes on and on!

[Andrew NDB]

As far as I'm concerned they never need to make a new Smash Bros. game. They can just keep adding new characters and content.

[CyberCubed]

Sakurai's obsession with Fire Emblem will never be topped. We're dangerously getting to the point where Fire Emblem might have more reps than Mario and Pokemon, Nintendo's two most popular franchises.

[Powder]

I hate the excess of FE characters so very much. God DAMN.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I went in to the direct thinking, If I don't like the character, that's fair enough I'll be happy for the people who do ( I got my moment with Banjo and Terry) but ANOTHER FE character is something that NOBODY wanted or needed. Really frustrated with this choice. No doubt there will be another in the next 6.

He said something about Breath of the wild Zelda be considered?, I bet she will be one of the last characters in the next pass, which would be around the BOFW 2 release time frame.

[CyberCubed]

History repeats itself, the last DLC character for Smash on Wii-U was Corrin, and people were equally outraged back then.

At least Mario and Pokemon having the most reps is understandable, I fully expect a Sword/Shield pokemon in the second DLC, but Fire Emblem is absurd. Most of it is Sakurai being a huge Fire Emblem fanboy and Nintendo constantly trying to promote it.

Hard to believe the Zelda franchise never gets any new one-shot characters and hasn't had anyone truly new since 2001, when it's the third biggest franchise. And characters like Dixie Kong or even Toad/Captain Toad, etc. haven't been made playable yet despite being Nintendo all-stars.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

History repeats itself, the last DLC character for Smash on Wii-U was Corrin, and people were equally outraged back then.

At least Mario and Pokemon having the most reps is understandable, I fully expect a Sword/Shield pokemon in the second DLC, but Fire Emblem is absurd. Most of it is Sakurai being a huge Fire Emblem fanboy and Nintendo constantly trying to promote it.

Hard to believe the Zelda franchise never gets any new one-shot characters and hasn't had anyone truly new since 2001, when it's the third biggest franchise. And characters like Dixie Kong or even Toad/Captain Toad, etc. haven't been made playable yet despite being Nintendo all-stars.

I agree, that is why Banjo felt like a win for the fans. This is the worst character to date and adds NOTHING.

Also another FE stage, it does make my blood boil.To rub salt in wound, you got Cuphead as just a Mii fighter skin. lol PapaGenos reaction lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA-vmIecDDE&feature=emb_title

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I do not understand the appeal of Fire Emblem, nor why it gets so many damn reps.

[CyberCubed]

I do not understand the appeal of Fire Emblem, nor why it gets so many damn reps.

The actual games are pretty fun turned based strategy RPG’s. I haven’t played any of the recent ones but I did on the GBA, Gamecube/Wii and DS era.

Most of it though is anime and waifu pandering. Fire Emblem Heroes on mobile generates tons of cash for Nintendo and it’s because they sexualized all the female characters in swimsuits and alt clothing. More problematic is a lot of the Fire Emblem cast is underage too.

[sdp]

Fighters pass I only love Banjo, Hero is a good addition, don't mind Terry too much, Don't care for Joker but at least it has fans I guess even if not really related to Nintendo much. But yeah another FE character is BS.

I'll wait to see what they release on figher pass 2 before I buy it but with 6 characters and due date of 2021 we have a long wait , I'm guessing 2 more characters this year and 4 next year.

If Any 2 of the following appear then it's an automatic buy, but others could change my mind that I may not be thinking, now I realize my list can be somewhat unrealistic but why the heck not (Bomberman, Doom Guy, Scorpion, Captain N,Geno, Lara Croft, mach rider) Especially Captain N who is likely 0%, bomberman is a trophy, Doom Guy/Scorpion/lara croft, might not be popular enough/rated M/west characters, Geno too niche despite popularity). But yeah I could see 2 of those happening maybe.

If we only get stuff like rayman/sora/Arms rep/BOTW 2 character/mario character/SwordShield Pokemon then it might be a pass for me. What else could be shocking? Master Chief? that'd be cool but not a halo player, steve? also col but not a minecraft player, Microsoft seems to be cool with it but perhaps that's a line that Nintendo might not cross, Banjo was a different thing. Kratos? That's more like it but less likely.

I dunno, another 2 years of slow smash reveals is cool but also kinda tiring :lol::lol: Let's see

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Atleast we now know that DLC characters will not just be franchises that have never been in Smash before, like some people were thinking because of something that Reggie said.

[CyberCubed]

One of the next characters will likely be a Pokemon from Sword/Shield, but the other 5 will probably be third party. Sakurai always says he leaves one spot open for Pokemon, and apparently Fire Emblem, so I fully expect a Gen 8 pokemon there.

Luckily there's 6 new characters coming this time, so that at least leaves open some variety.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

One of the next characters will likely be a Pokemon from Sword/Shield, but the other 5 will probably be third party. Sakurai always says he leaves one spot open for Pokemon, and apparently Fire Emblem, so I fully expect a Gen 8 pokemon there.

Luckily there's 6 new characters coming this time, so that at least leaves open some variety.

I would personally not want another Pokemon (I think the current list of pokes is perfect), but in the event that it does happen, I think its gonna be the fully evolved Grass starter from gen 8.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

If you are going first party, why did he not go with waluigi? He does't add much to the game, but at least people actually want him.

There is loads of third party characters that would be awesome, Bomberman, Master chief, lara Croft, Crash, Heck even Spyro, to name but a few. But Sakurai only puts on want he wants, so my guess is most of these character he adds are gonna be awful.

I still don't understand his logic over adding Byleth. Literally anyone would have added something to the game , but FE.

[CyberCubed]

If you are going first party, why did he not go with waluigi? He does't add much to the game, but at least people actually want him.

Sakurai usually doesn't add characters without starring roles in the games. Waluigi has never had his own game. If you look at the characters you have the main characters of each franchise, the secondary characters (like Diddy Kong, Luigi, Falco, Palutena, etc.), and then a villain (Ganondorf, Bowser, K. Rool, Ridley), etc. Until Waluigi gets some type of starring role in a game, he probably will be kept an Assist trophy forever. I think the next Mario character to be added will be some form of Captain Toad/Toadette, with male/female alts. Nintendo is pushing Toadette hard in every mainline Mario game lately, and Captain Toad has his own game. They work perfectly as male/female alts too so they're likely in the next game. I'd sooner expect some form of playable Toad before Waluigi.

There is loads of third party characters that would be awesome, Bomberman, Master chief, lara Croft, Crash, Heck even Spyro, to name but a few. But Sakurai only puts on want he wants, so my guess is most of these character he adds are gonna be awful..

A lot of those characters owned by western franchises, there are no western third parties in Smash yet (obviously Banjo is a unique exception). All the third parties in Smash are owned by Japanese companies.

Sakurai caters to Japanese tastes, there's a reason why Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden is so heavily speculated, along with a Capcom character like Dante or someone from Resident Evil.....before anyone like Lara Croft, someone from Mortal Kombat, etc who are popular in the west.

[sdp]

Counting this DLC is until Dec 2021, this means we'll likely start getting hints of the next smash in 2022. Unless there is no planned Switch 2 yet in which case we may keep getting more DLC if the game's still selling.

Still wonder why Mario Kart 8 didn't get more dlc on switch counting how well it sold. So maybe a third pack is out of the question if they want to get another smash ready in 2 years or so after this dlc is finished.

[CyberCubed]

Counting this DLC is until Dec 2021, this means we'll likely start getting hints of the next smash in 2022. Unless there is no planned Switch 2 yet in which case we may keep getting more DLC if the game's still selling.

Still wonder why Mario Kart 8 didn't get more dlc on switch counting how well it sold. So maybe a third pack is out of the question if they want to get another smash ready in 2 years or so after this dlc is finished.

Smash is probably just going to be constantly updated from this point on, like most online multiplayer games are. I fully expect them to port Smash Ultimate to the next nintendo console and just keep adding new characters/stages. Barring any licensing problems with third parties, it'll also prevent characters from being cut.

I just wonder if Sakurai is ever going to retire or step down from Smash. He seems like the kind of guy who wants to be in charge of Smash forever, but he obviously can't make other games while he does it. And Sakurai says he has full control over the newcomer roster and each Smash iteration, so it feels like he just can't let go.

[Andrew NDB]

Still wonder why Mario Kart 8 didn't get more dlc on switch counting how well it sold. So maybe a third pack is out of the question if they want to get another smash ready in 2 years or so after this dlc is finished.

Probably because Mario Kart 8 is just a port of the Wii U Mario Kart 8 with everything unlocked.

It's bizarre that Super Mario Party didn't get any DLC.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Sakurai usually doesn't add characters without starring roles in the games. Waluigi has never had his own game. If you look at the characters you have the main characters of each franchise, the secondary characters (like Diddy Kong, Luigi, Falco, Palutena, etc.), and then a villain (Ganondorf, Bowser, K. Rool, Ridley), etc. Until Waluigi gets some type of starring role in a game, he probably will be kept an Assist trophy forever. I think the next Mario character to be added will be some form of Captain Toad/Toadette, with male/female alts. Nintendo is pushing Toadette hard in every mainline Mario game lately, and Captain Toad has his own game. They work perfectly as male/female alts too so they're likely in the next game. I'd sooner expect some form of playable Toad before Waluigi.



A lot of those characters owned by western franchises, there are no western third parties in Smash yet (obviously Banjo is a unique exception). All the third parties in Smash are owned by Japanese companies.

Sakurai caters to Japanese tastes, there's a reason why Ryu Hayabusa from Ninja Gaiden is so heavily speculated, along with a Capcom character like Dante or someone from Resident Evil.....before anyone like Lara Croft, someone from Mortal Kombat, etc who are popular in the west.

Agreed, but after all said and done, Sakurai caters to Sakurai.

[CyberCubed]

Agreed, but after all said and done, Sakurai caters to Sakurai.

I wish Miyamoto had a say in Smash Bros. development, he'd probably want Sakurai to add at least some other Zelda rep by now, we technically haven't had any Zelda newcomers since Melee in 2001. :lol:

[PApagreg]

I wish Miyamoto had a say in Smash Bros. development, he'd probably want Sakurai to add at least some other Zelda rep by now, we technically haven't had any Zelda newcomers since Melee in 2001. :lol:

That's always weird to me, Zelda is one of Nintendo's biggest IP and has a lot of diverse and iconic characters yet we haven't got a new fighter from the series in almost 20 years,

[CyberCubed]

Sakurai obviously doesn't care enough for the Zelda franchise. At least Ganon is a boss now, lol.

But Zelda and Donkey Kong are the two worst treated Nintendo franchises by Sakurai, given how popular they are. The fact that it took DK over 5 games just to get 3 characters and only fan demand got K. Rool in says enough. Dixie Kong should have been added 2 games ago. Donkey Kong is one of Nintendo's best selling franchises but if you look at the Smash roster you'd assume DK was some minor franchise or something.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Still feels like twilight link was cut to me, they should have left him in. I mean we got 8 Marths, so why not 4 Links, at least Zelda games are good lol.

Dixie Kong has been in my top 3 most wanted for many years ( even in a tag team, style play with Kiddy Kong).

I was disappointed when I saw Krystal as an assist character, as she was based on her DP design with the staff, she could have been a somewhat unique StarFox character.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Dixie Kong was planned to be a playable character in Brawl which may improve her chances of being future DLC here.

But then again, just because a character has been considered before doesn't mean they're gonna come back now (looking at you, Plusle and Minune).

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Dixie Kong was planned to be a playable character in Brawl which may improve her chances of being future DLC here.

But then again, just because a character has been considered before doesn't mean they're gonna come back now (looking at you, Plusle and Minune).

Does she have a sword?:lol:

I would love Earthworm jim!

[CyberCubed]

In terms of Nintendo all-stars who are recurring and not yet playable, the only really big ones not in Smash after all this time are Dixie Kong and some form of playable Toad. I guess you can count Waluigi too, but he's only been in spinoff games which is why he feels more minor.

Donkey Kong is the only franchise on the roster who doesn't feel complete. As said, it's absurd DK went all the way through Smash U with only 2 reps, it's one of Nintendo's biggest selling franchises. But Sakurai doesn't care for DK obviously, so that's why it's treated the way it is.

I think some form of Toad/Toadette as male/female alts will probably happen in the next Smash after this one, especially with Captain Toad as its own game, and Nintendo has been putting Toadette in every mainline Mario game lately. Waluigi will probably only happen if fan demand for him reaches Ridley and K. Rool levels.

And besides all that, the lack of a Zelda rep after 20 years is very suspect. But again, who knows. Zelda may never get a new rep, so I've kinda given up here.

[sdp]

How can they top ultimate, I really hope Smash 6 is totally different and sakurai isn't involved. I think the man has been great for smash but at this point I'd rather see new blood on the game and see sakurai make an awesome game that isn't smash.

The roster itself without sakurai would be a drastic change and that's good. Same if the game feels a bit different. Sakurai's talents are also being wasted with smash in a way. He did great but he's just continuing on doing what's worked so far and I'd rather new stuff from Sakurai and Smash, if not Smash 6 will only be Smash Ultimate without all the fighters. I wouldn't get mad if Sakurai is in smash 6 though despite the two paragraphs I just wrote.

[Andrew NDB]

How can they top ultimate

I don't think they'll try. Not for a good long while. Any new Smash Bros. game with even 1/4 less the existing roster is going to disappoint.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

How can they top ultimate, I really hope Smash 6 is totally different and sakurai isn't involved. I think the man has been great for smash but at this point I'd rather see new blood on the game and see sakurai make an awesome game that isn't smash.

The roster itself without sakurai would be a drastic change and that's good. Same if the game feels a bit different. Sakurai's talents are also being wasted with smash in a way. He did great but he's just continuing on doing what's worked so far and I'd rather new stuff from Sakurai and Smash, if not Smash 6 will only be Smash Ultimate without all the fighters. I wouldn't get mad if Sakurai is in smash 6 though despite the two paragraphs I just wrote.

That's why people want their fav characters in this version, it is most likely the only chance they would be in smash with every character from smash history.