Wonder Woman 1984

[ZariusTwo]

Fast forward to the 1980s as Wonder Woman’s next big screen adventure finds her facing an all-new foe: The Cheetah. Principal photography is underway on Warner Bros. Pictures’ follow up to the Super Hero’s first outing, last summer’s record-breaking “Wonder Woman,” which took in $822 million at the worldwide box office. “Wonder Woman 1984” will also be helmed by acclaimed director Patty Jenkins, and star Gal Gadot in the title role.

As previously announced, the film also stars Kristen Wiig in the role of the Super-Villain The Cheetah, as well as Pedro Pascal. And Chris Pine returns as Steve Trevor.

https://www.newsarama.com/40345-first-look-wonder-woman-1984.html?utm_source=notification

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://www.newsarama.com/40345-first-look-wonder-woman-1984.html?utm_source=notification

Why the hell is Chris Pine returning? :tgrumble:

[ZariusTwo]

Why the hell is Chris Pine returning? :tgrumble:

Probably playing a genetically similar descendant.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Probably playing a genetically similar descendant.

Ugh. Not pleased. But we'll see, I guess...

[Andrew NDB]

It's probably the real deal. Somehow. Some Gods trickery or magic.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's probably the real deal. Somehow. Some Gods trickery or magic.

As long as Steve Trevor is not being resurrected, and is not having progeny.

I mean... I guess I trust Jenkins to do a great sequel, but this seems like a really weird official launch to the sequel.

"Heeeeeeeeeeeey! remember that emotional ending where Chris Pine died? For the sequel, NOT SO MUCH!"

[NinjaPug]

I like the title but there are going to be so many people saying the same tired 'joke' asking if they need to see WW2 through WW1983 before watching this.

I'm kinda surprised they revealed Pine was coming back this early. Maybe they were worried about set photos with him leaking.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'd love to see if "Wonder Woman 1984" shares any thematic elements to Orwell or his novel.

Could be interesting.

[Krutch]

I imagine the Steve Trevor scenes will play out similar to Clark talking to Jonathan in Batman V Superman.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I imagine the Steve Trevor scenes will play out similar to Clark talking to Jonathan in Batman V Superman.

But if all this is, is simply flashback or hallucination or dream sequence... is that really big enough to center your first official announcement and images around?

That still feels REAAAAAAAAALLY odd.

[NinjaPug]

Didn't Batman straight up reference Steve dying in the plane crash in JL? I might be remembering wrong.

[Krutch]

I mean, having now actually looked at the picture, yeah I could be wrong.

But really, DC will announce anything to appease fans of the first WW movie.

Sidenote Fun Fact: Current rumour is Patty Jenkins was upset Joss Whedon didn't consult her in how he used Wonder Woman in Justice League (namely, teasing a subtle romance between her and Bruce.) This in combination with poor box office is what lead to Whedon being removed from the DCEU.

[Allio]

Gonna get that Wonder Woman/Ghost Buster/ninja turtles crossover we have all been waiting on

[ZariusTwo]

https://imgur.com/Uzg942Z.jpg


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[Shark_Blade]

Chris Pine is backkk!!! :tlove: And Gal!!!

Much love love love. :tlove:

[Vicky82]

Wonder Woman has been pushed back to June 5th 2020

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/wonder_woman/wonder_woman_1984/wonder-woman-1984-star-gal-gadot-announces-her-sequel-has-been-pushed-back-to-summer-2020-a164273

https://twitter.com/GalGadot/status/1054437205203173381

[oldmanwinters]

Wonder Woman has been pushed back to June 5th 2020

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/wonder_woman/wonder_woman_1984/wonder-woman-1984-star-gal-gadot-announces-her-sequel-has-been-pushed-back-to-summer-2020-a164273

https://twitter.com/GalGadot/status/1054437205203173381

The Swan Song of the current cinematic DC Expanded Universe?

[Utrommaniac]

Guess I know what I'm doing for my birthday then?



It would be better than watching Out of the Shadows when it came out...

[Andrew NDB]

7 months is a long time. Perhaps WB knows they have a stinker, and Patty Jenkins was unable to recreate lightning in a bottle.

It would be better than watching Out of the Shadows when it came out...

That's not saying anything at all.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Wonder Woman has been pushed back to June 5th 2020

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/wonder_woman/wonder_woman_1984/wonder-woman-1984-star-gal-gadot-announces-her-sequel-has-been-pushed-back-to-summer-2020-a164273

https://twitter.com/GalGadot/status/1054437205203173381

Wait, WTF? Why is this a GOOD thing? :teek:

[ranger_scout]

Wonder Woman has been pushed back to June 5th 2020

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/wonder_woman/wonder_woman_1984/wonder-woman-1984-star-gal-gadot-announces-her-sequel-has-been-pushed-back-to-summer-2020-a164273

https://twitter.com/GalGadot/status/1054437205203173381

Maybe after Justice League failed to do business in November of the last year, the summer sounded like a better time to release it.

[ProphetofGanja]

I'd love to see if "Wonder Woman 1984" shares any thematic elements to Orwell or his novel.

Could be interesting.

Wonder Woman v. Big Brother

Wait, WTF? Why is this a GOOD thing? :teek:

Supposedly November is when studios put out movies they aren't quite sure about. So them pushing it back to fill a traditional summer blockbuster release date could signify either that they're confident in its merits as a film, or they're simply hoping it'll be a financial (if not critical) success due to good will generated by the first film, as a kind of last hoorah windfall, since their whole cinematic universe is on the verge of collapse anyways.

[ZariusTwo]

Apparently there's some gossip going on that the movie will undergo reshoots to incorporate elements of the aborted Flashpoint script, effectively making WW 1984 the film that reboots the DCEU.

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[Andrew NDB]

Apparently there's some gossip going on that the movie will undergo reshoots to incorporate elements of the aborted Flashpoint script, effectively making WW 1984 the film that reboots the DCEU.

Smells like B.S.. There was never even any credible citations that "Flashpoint" -- when it was still "Flashpoint" -- was going to even be a semi-DCEU reboot, only fanboy wishes. Plus, what if Aquaman ends up doing gangbusters?

[Sage Ninja]

I just hope however way they decide to put Steve Trevor back in the story that it is not too contrived. I think they are just regretting blowing him up in the first place.

[ZariusTwo]

Follow up

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[ZariusTwo]

Flashpoint rumors debunked?

https://twitter.com/elmayimbe/status/1055168333044047872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1055168333044047872&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbr.com%2Fwonder-woman-1984-flashpoint-rumor-debunked%2F

[Andrew NDB]

Flashpoint rumors debunked?

https://twitter.com/elmayimbe/status/1055168333044047872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1055168333044047872&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbr.com%2Fwonder-woman-1984-flashpoint-rumor-debunked%2F

Yeah, no sh**.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, no sh**.

Flashpoint as an idea has been dead for, what, 2 years now? No, that can't be right... Justice League was November 2017. $hit, feels way longer than that. :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

Hmm... so Diana is "taking the fight to the White House"? Huh.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/wonder_woman/wonder_woman_1984/wonder-woman-1984-footage-description-sees-diana-prince-take-the-fight-to-washington-dc-a171421?fbclid=IwAR2MP4nSkO-ie8UWPrKHiWFcSXtGWfB7PFcisSoZug7nMWKd1aPWJ32qW10

Now, call me paranoid, but if I had to speculate it's going to be Zeus or somebody in disguise as a politician in the White House (maybe even the president) up to no good (it's 1984, so probably an oh-so-relevant-to-now Russian collusion) and an underlying "powerful statement" about Trump. :) Cheetah will come to her senses and will unite with WW against the Evil in the White House as two strong independent women, I'm certain.

[Sumac]

I hope writers won't try to make their "progressive" wet fantasies true in very obnoxious fashion.

[Leo656]

It's a shame; Wonder Woman was very good - partly because they COULD have gone super-preachy and ultra-SJW with it, but showed an unbelievable amount of restraint and simply focused on making the best movie they could.

Nothing ruins things like success, unfortunately. Because as I'd feared, since the first movie made money AND was a hit with critics and fans alike, now they have to "protect" their "brand", which means adhering to a formula and a checklist. And thus, while I really had high hopes for a sequel, every single thing I've seen so far on this has been dreadful. I mean, have you SEEN the poster? What... what the hell IS that? Did someone just open Photoshop, hand someone else a photo of Gal Gadot, along with a note that said "Lots and LOTS of COLORS!", and then just let them continue unabated without any further direction? I mean Jesus.

It'll probably do alright based on the lingering goodwill from the first one, but... yeah, expectations firmly in the middle leaning south, at least for now.
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Found out that some "alleged" spoilers from test screenings have been online for a while now. Holy sh*t, this thing sounds like a f*cking disaster. Maxwell Lord, "Magical Wish Genie"? :lol: Holy sh*t. Unreal.

I just hope however way they decide to put Steve Trevor back in the story that it is not too contrived. I think they are just regretting blowing him up in the first place.

It's Wish Magic. "Allegedly". :lol:

[drgon78]

I really hope the movie is good and doesn't get too political/SJW.

[Andrew NDB]

Test screening called "a disaster."

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/11/07/alleged-wonder-woman-1984-plot-details-leak-after-october-test-screening-called-a-disaster/?fbclid=IwAR14AOayNvFR-kEmwX_fhXPuBT20EdDaLZT1RD0PXp5RPf1QfTZ6nezubXY

[Sumac]

Ouch, if true.
DC gonna loose the only big beneficial property at this rate.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Test screening called "a disaster."

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/11/07/alleged-wonder-woman-1984-plot-details-leak-after-october-test-screening-called-a-disaster/?fbclid=IwAR14AOayNvFR-kEmwX_fhXPuBT20EdDaLZT1RD0PXp5RPf1QfTZ6nezubXY

But is it true? DCEU LEaks on Reddit... how legit are they?

[Leo656]

But is it true? DCEU LEaks on Reddit... how legit are they?

No idea, but it's 100% consistent with everything that has been going around for the last few weeks so I'm inclined to believe it.

Sigh. WB is such a terrible, terrible company.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

No idea, but it's 100% consistent with everything that has been going around for the last few weeks so I'm inclined to believe it.

Sigh. WB is such a terrible, terrible company.

Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if WW2 ends up taking a dive. WW1 could have been very, very bad but somehow made it out unscathed except for the Ares CGI boss fight.

[AquaParade]

I couldn't get into the first film. I really wanted to like it. There are elements of it I appreciate.

I think WB is a great studio though. No way I can fault the people who gave me Batman Begins, Dark Knight, Joker, Man of Steel, and BvS (Sue me) in the last decade.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I couldn't get into the first film. I really wanted to like it. There are elements of it I appreciate.

I think WB is a great studio though. No way I can fault the people who gave me Batman Begins, Dark Knight, Joker, Man of Steel, and BvS (Sue me) in the last decade.

Good films get made in spite of WB. :tlol:

[Leo656]

If you read a lot, you come to find it's much more like, "Good films get made in spite of Hollywood," period. :lol:

I really enjoy each of the cited films - more than most people, probably - and I really enjoyed the first Wonder Woman, but they're all very much the exception rather than the rule.

As a rule, WB just kind of flounders about trying to catch onto whatever's popular with the masses at any given time, and they're always a day late and a dollar short because Copycatting is all they really know. Even Joker was an accident, they didn't even have any faith in it and now they're acting like it was all part of some Master Plan.

[Andrew NDB]

Uh oh... here's what Kristen Wiig's Cheetah is going to look like:

https://i.ibb.co/2jB6DSL/cheetah.jpg

https://cosmicbook.news/wonder-woman-1984-cheetah?fbclid=IwAR3WNzm6-HG4WFYe3c506fp95w0KrtzJTC6BY3Dc8rPKWGEZ6LfYVUY4aAE

[CyberCubed]

So....she's not a cat? Just a woman in a jacket?

[TommyT]

Uh oh... here's what Kristen Wiig's Cheetah is going to look like:

https://i.ibb.co/2jB6DSL/cheetah.jpg

https://cosmicbook.news/wonder-woman-1984-cheetah?fbclid=IwAR3WNzm6-HG4WFYe3c506fp95w0KrtzJTC6BY3Dc8rPKWGEZ6LfYVUY4aAE

Honestly, it's for the best.
I have no interest in a naked Krysten Wiig. Like, ever.

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-02/enhanced/webdr03/21/0/anigif_enhanced-28947-1392962219-1.gif

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Uh oh... here's what Kristen Wiig's Cheetah is going to look like:

https://i.ibb.co/2jB6DSL/cheetah.jpg

https://cosmicbook.news/wonder-woman-1984-cheetah?fbclid=IwAR3WNzm6-HG4WFYe3c506fp95w0KrtzJTC6BY3Dc8rPKWGEZ6LfYVUY4aAE

Surely that's not the final look.

[raph27]

I don't think it's too bad. Fits in with the 80's nostalgia theme they're probably going for, and admit it, Cheetah's comic look would look ridiculous in live-action.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't think it's too bad. Fits in with the 80's nostalgia theme they're probably going for, and admit it, Cheetah's comic look would look ridiculous in live-action.

That's the kind of attitude that gave us 20 years of very small, grounded X-Men movies and things like almost the whole cast of Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey. We should be way past that now in 2019. A Cheetah werewolfwoman should not be a weird thing.

Each, I'm already imagining the "let's suit up" montage she'll probably have.

[IMJ]

I don't think it's too bad. Fits in with the 80's nostalgia theme they're probably going for, and admit it, Cheetah's comic look would look ridiculous in live-action.

Dude, this is the equivalent to putting Catwoman in purple suede pants and a purple suede jacket. I hate to say this, but even Halley Berry's awful bondage Catwoman was better than this.....

Just make super hero movies with superhero costumes. That's part of the culture. We will buy in 95% of the time.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I'm sure there's a reasonable middle ground between full-blown furry bait and "Regular Chick In Cheetah-Print Yoga Pants".

One thing that was amazing about the earlier DC stuff from MoS onwards is that, regardless of whether or not anyone liked the tone, or the color palette, they were completely unapologetic about the source material. "Gods exist and they occasionally walk among us. Aliens are a thing. Atlantis is real. These people wear outlandish costumes. Deal with it." They didn't try to water it down or "apologize" for it (MCU: "Odin and Thor and all of them aren't 'gods', they're just super-powerful aliens! PLEASE don't be offended by the implication of 'gods', we really don't want the bad ink. We good?" :roll:). They just said "Here it is, accept it or keep walking.". And like Andrew, I've more than had my fill of these movies taking something that is grandiose and epic and making it into something tiny and "easier for neophytes to understand".

The first Wonder Woman leaned 110% into the comics, despite the source material for the character being pretty far out, but they still hit a home run. Everything about the new one seems like they're going in the complete opposite direction. Visuals, tone, everything. Instead of amazing costumes and stuff, we get Yoga Pants Cheetah? I'm sorry, it feels incredibly lazy, to me.

Ah well. The Cheetah design is far from the worst thing I've heard about. I loved the first one but I'm really feeling like this one is gonna be a hard pass from me. The first one was entirely the Wonder Woman that Jenkins (and Snyder) wanted to make, and reports have been out for a while that WB pushed back on a lot of the best parts and only left them in begrudgingly. This one feels like the movie that Warner Bros. wanted to make... And we know how THAT kinda sh*t goes.

We'll see.

[IMJ]

I've more than had my fill of these movies taking something that is grandiose and epic and making it into something tiny and "easier for neophytes to understand"

This is incredibly well said.

Back in '07 I interviewed Jon Favreau in San Diego and he explained how the technology of Iron Man would create the buy-in for regular movie-goers as opposed to do something magical or out in space up front. He explained this to me because at the time the Mandarin was part of a planned Iron Man trilogy and he wanted to ease into the reveal where he explained to me almost verbatum, "I want the Mandarin to show up in a third movie, like the Emperor in Star Wars - on a throne, bristling with power".

But even amidst creating buy-in through technology rather than magic, they didn't shy away from making Iron Man LOOK LIKE Iron Man. And then everything went haywire on a trilogy after that.

So on top of that, maybe now some people know why I have such disdain for Iron Man 3. I heard of the trilogy plan from the man himself, only to have the whole epic thing turn into a joke.

[ProphetofGanja]

Uh oh... here's what Kristen Wiig's Cheetah is going to look like:

https://i.ibb.co/2jB6DSL/cheetah.jpg

https://cosmicbook.news/wonder-woman-1984-cheetah?fbclid=IwAR3WNzm6-HG4WFYe3c506fp95w0KrtzJTC6BY3Dc8rPKWGEZ6LfYVUY4aAE

laaaaaaame

[Leo656]

IMJ: Ah, yeah. Like when I met Bret Hart in October 1998 the week before Vince Russo took over WCW creative, and he assured me that Bret vs. Hogan for the strap was the plan to main event Starrcade that year. Six days later, Russo sent Hogan home (not to return until February), and booked Bret vs. Goldberg for Starrcade instead, which aside from being pretty crummy was also the match where Goldberg kicked Bret straight to Concussion City and ended his career. What a bummer.

Different scenario, obviously, but it's the closest anecdote that I have to compare to yours. And yeah, every bit as frustrating. I feel you, dawg.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That's the kind of attitude that gave us 20 years of very small, grounded X-Men movies and things like almost the whole cast of Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey. We should be way past that now in 2019. A Cheetah werewolfwoman should not be a weird thing.

Fvcking exactly.

If people can enjoy a guy talking to ants or fish, or a talking tree with a three-word vocabulary, we can and SHOULD have a werecheetah.

[IMJ]

the closest anecdote that I have to compare to yours. And yeah, every bit as frustrating. I feel you, dawg.

Expectation bias, but ironically set up by true fandom rather than critical thinking error....

I'm already imagining the "let's suit up" montage she'll probably have.

LOL at this.....

I can see a quick camera cut of a shot where you see hands pulling the 80's leopard print club-jacket over her shoulders and then tugging it down the center of her chest in a quick frame rate as if Sam Raimi shot it......

[drgon78]

I love the 80's.

[snake]

That's the kind of attitude that gave us 20 years of very small, grounded X-Men movies and things like almost the whole cast of Suicide Squad and Birds of Prey. We should be way past that now in 2019. A Cheetah werewolfwoman should not be a weird thing.

Each, I'm already imagining the "let's suit up" montage she'll probably have.

Why is this still a thing? Taskmaster in the Black Widow movie falls in this category too.

[ZariusTwo]

Cheetah's comic look would look ridiculous in live-action.

Are you saying that because Cats exists or...?

[IMJ]

Why is this still a thing? Taskmaster in the Black Widow movie falls in this category too.

That awkward moment where a cosplayer does it better in his basement than a major Hollywood Studio and it's entire art department:
https://i.imgur.com/coppQsO.jpg

But now it's twice as bad because Marvel was not only outdone by a cosplayer, but by a video game too....
https://i.imgur.com/cn1QtfOm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/B0DPcE8m.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

But now it's twice as bad because Marvel was not only outdone by a cosplayer, but by a video game too....
https://i.imgur.com/cn1QtfOm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/B0DPcE8m.jpg

I read that they can't give Taskmaster a white skull because China won't allow it if they do. That's also why they had to get weird with the white on Crossbones' outfit.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I read that they can't give Taskmaster a white skull because China won't allow it if they do. That's also why they had to get weird with the white on Crossbones' outfit.

Depressingly believable.

[IMJ]

I read that they can't give Taskmaster a white skull because China won't allow it if they do. That's also why they had to get weird with the white on Crossbones' outfit.

I believe it. Marvel has caved to China's censorship many times in the past at the fan's expense.

[ZariusTwo]

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[drgon78]

If they give her the classic transformation from the TV show I will be so happy.

[Autbot_Benz]

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[newfan]

Oh, Chris Pine is back too (haven't been reading up on this)
I also didn't realise it was going to be a wait until summer. Anyway, plan to catch it when it comes out, enjoyed the last one enough.

[CyberCubed]

I don't like the idea of Steve Trevor being back when he died a heroic death. Not to mention the way they'll explain how he survived and wound up in 1984 of all times is going to be odd and poor writing.

[ZariusTwo]

Trailer confirms some of the leaks...which means this movie could be in trouble as the test screenings were disastrous and caused the film's delay

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I don't like the idea of Steve Trevor being back when he died a heroic death. Not to mention the way they'll explain how he survived and wound up in 1984 of all times is going to be odd and poor writing.

According to the leaks, he's brought back through Diana making a magic wish, I'm not kidding. The whole movie's about the monkey's paw.

[Leo656]

Yeah, the visuals look great as usual but every single thing that's leaked out about the plot is terrible. The fact that its release was essentially pushed back almost a whole year despite being "done" doesn't bode well.

I'm thinking it's gonna be a very pretty misfire.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Aw geez. That trailer was fun as hell, but it sure isn't doing anything to contradict the rumored plot leaks... and that's NOT good. :tsad:

We'll see. I'm a sucker for Gadot and Pine both, so I'm probably watching this one... just hope it doesn't suck.

[TommyT]

I Love this Woman

[drgon78]

Love the trailer, can't wait to see the movie.

[TommyT]

It’s maybe not the Wonder Woman of the comics, but it’s a hell of a lot of fun. More fun than it ought to be.

Between this and Watchmen and Joker, perhaps the sleeping giant that is DC has awoken?

[AquaParade]

It’s maybe not the Wonder Woman of the comics, but it’s a hell of a lot of fun. More fun than it ought to be.

Between this and Watchmen and Joker, perhaps the sleeping giant that is DC has awoken?

I was thinking something similar. If this hits a biillion, that'd be three out of four of their recent CBM's to do so. I think one could argue they have already awoken, but I agree in that I feel that this film being a success would really send that feeling home.

I'm so in love with Gal Gadot that I don't think I can watch it though. It's too much. Mostly superficial.

[IMJ]

I don't like the idea of Steve Trevor being back when he died a heroic death. Not to mention the way they'll explain how he survived and wound up in 1984 of all times is going to be odd and poor writing.

My guess is that Trevor is a construct of her imagination based on how Maxwell Lord is manipulating the public with a combination of his psychic power and his use of the artifact thingy he is holding at his desk in one of the trailer scenes.

Then if I had to guess, somewhere along the way Wonder Woman realizes this and uses her strength of will to manipulate what Lord is doing into creating a jet, but it's invisible (there's debate that the invisible jet is actually in the trailer).

Then I'd guess that upon defeating Maxwell Lord, that Diana uses her heroic willpower in combination with the "artifact thingy" to will Steve out of the crash in the past to present day where he reappears at the end of the flick, but this time he's really there. And she keeps the invisible jet at the end of the film through the same technique.

This sounds like sarcasm, but I'm serious, that's all my best guess for how this flick will play out.

[ZariusTwo]

My guess is that Trevor is a construct of her imagination based on how Maxwell Lord is manipulating the public with a combination of his psychic power and his use of the artifact thingy he is holding at his desk in one of the trailer scenes.

Then if I had to guess, somewhere along the way Wonder Woman realizes this and uses her strength of will to manipulate what Lord is doing into creating a jet, but it's invisible (there's debate that the invisible jet is actually in the trailer).

Then I'd guess that upon defeating Maxwell Lord, that Diana uses her heroic willpower in combination with the "artifact thingy" to will Steve out of the crash in the past to present day where he reappears at the end of the flick, but this time he's really there. And she keeps the invisible jet at the end of the film through the same technique.

This sounds like sarcasm, but I'm serious, that's all my best guess for how this flick will play out.

No, the leaks specifically say Trevor's return is the result of a monkey's paw wish, Steve possesses another man's body, Diana's powers are diminished and that's why she uses the jet.

[IMJ]

No, the leaks specifically say Trevor's return is the result of a monkey's paw wish, Steve possesses another man's body, Diana's powers are diminished and that's why she uses the jet.


OOOOooohhhh okay. Interesting. I hadn't seen any of that.....

[ZariusTwo]

New photos

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQg9kB5UYAE4jbM?format=jpg&name=large

https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fewedit.files.wordpress.com %2F2020%2F02%2Fww84-384943843040393421-1.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQg9iM2UwAAAqxG?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQg9m0_UwAA88M6?format=jpg&name=large

[Andrew NDB]

That 2nd image there...

https://i.ibb.co/MVrs5W2/GTY-trump-gun-01-float-as-160519-16x9-992.jpg

[Sumac]

I have a little hope that they won't go full "analogy with modern world" thing, but...

[Leo656]

Man, I LOVE Max Lord, and I really liked the first WW movie.

Ah well. :ohwell: I knew from the plot leaks that I wasn't gonna like it. Spoilers are fantastic for my blood pressure. By the time these pieces of sh*t come out, it's been so long since I cared that it's a much softer blow than it would be otherwise.

30 f*cking years to see Max Lord in a movie and he's Donald Trump with a Monkey's Paw. :tgrumble: I give up!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Man, I LOVE Max Lord, and I really liked the first WW movie.

Ah well. :ohwell: I knew from the plot leaks that I wasn't gonna like it. Spoilers are fantastic for my blood pressure. By the time these pieces of sh*t come out, it's been so long since I cared that it's a much softer blow than it would be otherwise.

30 f*cking years to see Max Lord in a movie and he's Donald Trump with a Monkey's Paw. :tgrumble: I give up!

And we won't even get to see WW snap his neck. :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, it feels like 10 years since the last movie.

WB's DC decisions never cease to amaze me.

[Egon1982]

Looks nice and should be better than part 1.

I hope for the final cheetah design, they go for my favorite version of her
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ytgs9HNABXA/maxresdefault.jpg
Hubba hubba!

[oldmanwinters]

Looks nice and should be better than part 1.

I hope for the final cheetah design, they go for my favorite version of her
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ytgs9HNABXA/maxresdefault.jpg
Hubba hubba!

Man, that moment was all sorts of wrong... at yet, somehow so, so right. :tlol:

[Egon1982]

Man, that moment was all sorts of wrong... at yet, somehow so, so right. :tlol:

What do you mean wrong? her appearance or what? she's a person, not a lower animal creature.

Only a dumbass would think raping animals is the same as consensual sex between adults.

[Leo656]

This promises to be one of those "It's terrible but the general audience is too dumb to understand why, and it's bright and silly so it'll make huge money by piggybacking off of the first movie's goodwill, and people will only realize it's awful after they've already paid to see it" kind of movies.

Too bad. First one was really good.

[Andrew NDB]

Definitely getting a very, very bad feeling about this movie.

[IMJ]

Too bad. First one was really good.

Definitely. But I will say that upon repeated viewings it does drag in parts a bit, and the melodrama at the end when she "Christ-Figures" the guy to death was a degree of "Twilight melodrama" I could do without.

It is a good movie, but that also made some of those moments stick out like a sore thumb. I don't have high hopes for a great story in 1984, but visually I think it'll be great and I'm hoping for 2 hours of comic book fun and not being preached too. To the first movie's credit, I didn't feel much agenda being thrust forward.

[Leo656]

In 2020, the least we can expect from any comic book movie is that it will be "visually great". Heck, that's the sole reason a lot of 'em get good reviews in the first place. I never doubt that any of them will be great to LOOK at, but again, CGI doesn't razzle-dazzle me so I don't really grade based on that.

By all accounts, they've mangled the characters in similar fashion as BoP did, so by rights it deserves to fail in similar fashion for wiping their ass with the source material. Max Lord, in particular, could have been a great long-form villain over several films, who instead promises to be done away with in one movie before ever hitting his stride a'la Zsasz and Black Mask. The fact that he's another Trump expy just makes it all even worse.

Man, I can't even get over how that character COULD have been used in the DC film universe... say, introduced in JL2 (or some other film) as a government liason to the League due to the world's increasing unease at the metahumans operating unilaterally and unchecked (a plot line introduced in MoS and then doubled-down on in BvS before being handwaved away entirely in Whedon's JL movie, despite it being pretty much THE main sublot up until then). They go under Lord's direction from being a simple "Justice League" to an expanded "Justice League International" and being sanctioned by the UN. But THEN we find out that it's all been manipulation and misdirection, and that Lord, like Luthor, is really a humanist who thinks the metahumans are too dangerous to operate unchecked and untethered, so the UN oversight and "JL International" stuff was all a way to keep them handcuffed and under his control, and oh, by the way, he's secretly got mind control powers and has been subtly influencing everyone since the jump, including Superman. Spin it off from there into loose adaptations of "Sacrifice" and the like. Maybe he was working with Luthor and his "League" in this version to eventually exterminate the metahumans and together they were simply moving all the pieces into place. There's a lot they could have done.

Could've been epic. Could've gotten a lot of miles over about a half dozen movies out of the Max Lord character, if not more. But nah, let's do "Donald Trump with a Monkey's Paw", because it's "topical" and lets Wonder Woman "take the fight to the patriarchy" and whatever. :roll:

You just KNOW that they nixed his mind control/nosebleed thing in the writer's room because "Doesn't that kid on Stranger Things do that?" :roll: I can't get over these people and their dumb decisions, and furthermore, the even more dumb "Why" of their dumb decisions.

Basically, if a person cares at all about these characters and stories PAST the visual element - and sometimes they don't hold up even then - then the movies just really don't execute. I'm an outspoken enemy of "In Name Only" adaptations, so I really don't see myself ever enjoying a comic book movie anytime soon. Fidelity doesn't matter anymore, all that matters is being topical and cramming in lots of jokes. And that just sucks.

[IMJ]

Man, I can't even get over how that character COULD have been used in the DC film universe... say, introduced in JL2 (or some other film) as a government liason to the League due to the world's increasing unease at the metahumans operating unilaterally and unchecked (a plot line introduced in MoS and then doubled-down on in BvS before being handwaved away entirely in Whedon's JL movie, despite it being pretty much THE main sublot up until then). They go under Lord's direction from being a simple "Justice League" to an expanded "Justice League International" and being sanctioned by the UN. But THEN we find out that it's all been manipulation and misdirection, and that Lord, like Luthor, is really a humanist who thinks the metahumans are too dangerous to operate unchecked and untethered, so the UN oversight and "JL International" stuff was all a way to keep them handcuffed and under his control, and oh, by the way, he's secretly got mind control powers and has been subtly influencing everyone since the jump, including Superman. Spin it off from there into loose adaptations of "Sacrifice" and the like. Maybe he was working with Luthor and his "League" in this version to eventually exterminate the metahumans and together they were simply moving all the pieces into place. There's a lot they could have done.

Yup. Would've been terrific. And it could've been used to explain Superman killing Zod - it turns out that was an unbeknownst at the time psychic suggested from Lord.

This all could've easily been JLA 1 and it might've righted the ship for the DC flicks.

[Andrew NDB]

Yup. Would've been terrific. And it could've been used to explain Superman killing Zod - it turns out that was an unbeknownst at the time psychic suggested from Lord.

Would be a bit of a cop-out. He killed Zod in the comics, so they should've just owned it. Make it the big "this is why he doesn't kill" story, leave it at that and don't apologize.

[IMJ]

Would be a bit of a cop-out. He killed Zod in the comics, so they should've just owned it. Make it the big "this is why he doesn't kill" story, leave it at that and don't apologize.

That'd be fine too - that's I think what a lot of us expected. But then like we were saying earlier - 900 years later Superman Sequ..... errrrr... I mean never. ;) So who knows if it ever would've been properly addressed.

Along the lines of owning it, that's how I felt about JL. That movie was fine enough - it wasn't a franchise killer by any means. They should've just kept pushing through and did the Batman Affleck movie with the kind of Batman content we saw in Dawn of Justice, and a Cavill Superman sequel that was brighter in every way.

[Leo656]

Yeah, nah, that bit of him killing Zod is best left alone as it is. If you don't get a pass for killing Space Hitler, then I'unno. He didn't need to have that explained away as anything more than, "It was the Right Thing to do even if it was messy", even if making it someone else's fault would have made some of the man-babies on the internet happier that there was an "excuse" for it. Plus, of course, he hadn't met Lord yet in that movie, so it would have been a real ass-pull to later reveal it as such. In the comics Lord explicitly stated that getting in Superman's head took years and years of up-close and personal mental conditioning and subliminal suggestion, and that it was very nearly impossible. It might be the kind of thing that would make kids and cartoon fans happy, but it would completely fall apart under more than two seconds of thought.

However, they could easily have started to show Superman behaving more aloof and such across some of the newer films to set up the reveal, like they did in the comics, then have him "snap" and do something really bad while fully under Lord's control, thus exposing Max's role in things. In the comics, he nearly killed Batman while being tricked into thinking he was fighting Brainiac, Doomsday, etc., so they could easily have done something similar in a movie eventually, and there'd be a trail of crumbs across a few earlier ones making the viewer go "Oh, wait, it all makes sense now".

OH, wait, I forgot... DC movie "fans" have no patience for long-form, slow-burn narratives that take place over several movies before a big payoff, and they absolutely hate stories that aren't crammed full of needless "humor" that remove any sense of stakes or dramatic danger, character development, what have you. "We want our one-dimensional cartoon archetypes, and we want 'em NOW!" They'd never settle for waiting three or more films to see a guy like Max pretend to be a good guy only to be revealed as a villain, nor would they settle for seeing someone like Superman behave even 1% "out of character" even if it was going to be revealed as mind control later on. "That's not how Chris Reeve behaves!" :roll:

It'd be nice to see, but it'll never happen. Apparently "Justice League: Mortal" was going to tinker with a kinda/sorta similar version of "Sacrifice", way back when, but again, I feel like Max Lord is completely wasted if you introduce him as virtuous and then reveal him as a secret bad guy (and presumably kill him off) in the SAME movie. The comics got 20+ years of mileage out of the character (mostly because the villain reveal was a major retcon, but still); if you're gonna use him, it should be for a slow burn and not a cheap pop on a one-and-done appearance.

[Andrew NDB]

That's another thing. Max Lord isn't immortal, is he? If they were to ever want to use him again beyond WW1984, he'd be 40 years older in the present.

[Leo656]

He's also never been mentioned by any other character during any of the movies set in the modern day, not even in passing, which tells us that:

1. Whatever he does in 1984 during the Wonder Woman sequel must not have been terribly important because it's never going to come up again, so the stakes for this movie must be ultimately pretty damn low.

2. He's probably dead by the end credits. Given how DC movies treat their villains, this is a pretty safe bet even if it's not Diana herself who does the deed (Can't have the one universally-praised DC movie character be anything less than "perfect", after all, even though she definitely killed people in the first movie and it's entirely handwaved away by fans and critics alike, whereas with Superman and Batman it's a mortal sin and the films are derided as trash because of it. :roll: Double-standards out the ass with people and these movies, I swear to God).

Using Max Lord for this kind of a story is just like using Black Mask and Zsasz for a BoP/Harley Quinn movie; at first it's like "Hey, that's kinda neat", because you like the characters and are looking forward to seeing them in a movie, finally. BUT, then you think about it for ten seconds and it's like, "Wow, that's actually super terrible, I can't believe anyone would support such a blatantly terrible use of a character with so much potential."

But then, movie producers generally view the audience as morons who don't know/don't care and will sit through anything that keeps them mildly entertained for two hours. And as we've seen, audiences have no problem reinforcing that belief. The only rules, apparently, are "Keep the jokes flying" and "The colors have to be highly over-saturated". Absolutely nothing else matters. Not fidelity, not doing justice to popular and established characters, not consistency with regard to storytelling or character motivations... just "Sunny and Funny."

[Sumac]

What do you mean wrong? her appearance or what? she's a person, not a lower animal creature.

Only a dumbass would think raping animals is the same as consensual sex between adults.
Your attempts to defend bestiality is rather transparent.

The problem is not with DC fans, but with DC themselves who constantly change ****, because, they lack vision. MCU fans somehow were able to wait until the Avengers: IW and EG.

[Egon1982]

Your attempts to defend bestiality is rather transparent.

Why say it's beastiality? Cheetah is a person who is different.

[Egon1982]

Your attempts to defend bestiality is rather transparent.

The problem is not with DC fans, but with DC themselves who constantly change ****, because, they lack vision. MCU fans somehow were able to wait until the Avengers: IW and EG.

. I did think before I typed and I will choose whatever word I feel most aptly describes someone. "Idiotic" and "moronic" is a massive understatement. The earth being flat. Trump being a good president. Consensual sex = rape because "it's not exclusively between a man and a woman". There are many opinions that would only be held by someone who isn't merely an idiot, but is outright retarded. Same goes for people who jump down my throat because they want to go "it was just a prank, bro, learn to take a joke" when there was no indication that what they said was a joke. It isn't my problem when someone sucks at telling them or makes a **** "joke", Seriously, if you need to explain that you were making a joke then you're either backtracking or you suck at telling jokes. Take your pick of whichever one you want, just don't whine at me about your own shortcomings.

And, technically, you can argue that furries are not in any way similar to bestiality any more than the typical inter-species romance stories in sci-fi stories are. The subject, from what I've seen even with Batman and Cheetah, always seems to be a sapient humanoid adult being who can consent as Batman and Cheetah are two adult beings.

I see Cheetah as a person who looks different and nothing wrong with anyone finding literal cat-woman Cheetah attractive, i mean she has tits and curvy body and beautiful eyes and all.

[newfan]

Does this have to spill out in this thread too?

[Egon1982]

Does this have to spill out in this thread too?

I'm just educating him the differences between a regular feral cheetah and a humanoid cheetah woman.

[Sumac]

. I did think before I typed and I will choose whatever word I feel most aptly describes someone. "Idiotic" and "moronic" is a massive understatement. The earth being flat. Trump being a good president. Consensual sex = rape because "it's not exclusively between a man and a woman". There are many opinions that would only be held by someone who isn't merely an idiot, but is outright retarded. Same goes for people who jump down my throat because they want to go "it was just a prank, bro, learn to take a joke" when there was no indication that what they said was a joke. It isn't my problem when someone sucks at telling them or makes a **** "joke", Seriously, if you need to explain that you were making a joke then you're either backtracking or you suck at telling jokes. Take your pick of whichever one you want, just don't whine at me about your own shortcomings.
That's an impressive meltdown, I must say. :lol:

I see Cheetah as a person who looks different and nothing wrong with anyone finding literal cat-woman Cheetah attractive, i mean she has tits (!!) and curvy body (!!) and beautiful eyes (!!) and all.
Pal. Dude. My man.
You need help. :ohwell:

[Egon1982]

That's an impressive meltdown, I must say. :lol:


Pal. Dude. My man.
You need help. :ohwell:

Don't tell me what to do as i'm non-confirmist

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

What the fvck is happening in this thread.

[Egon1982]

What the fvck is happening in this thread.

Educiating him the difference between a lower animal feral creature and a literal cat-woman mutant and what if that version of Cheetah was in the movie and did a love scene with Batman in a DC movie.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Educiating him the difference between a lower animal feral creature and a literal cat-woman mutant and what if that version of Cheetah was in the movie and did a love scene with Batman in a DC movie.

Calm down, dude. Quit blasting every thread.

[Sumac]

Educiating him the difference between a lower animal feral creature and a literal cat-woman mutant and what if that version of Cheetah was in the movie and did a love scene with Batman in a DC movie.
Stop melting down, dude.
No-one says that you can't have fantasies about ****ing cartoon animals. Just don't try to convince other people that it is normal or that by denying fictional cartoon animals sex person is as bad as nazies, OK? :lol:

[Egon1982]

Stop melting down, dude.
No-one says that you can't have fantasies about ****ing cartoon animals. Just don't try to convince other people that it is normal or that by denying fictional cartoon animals sex person is as bad as nazies, OK? :lol:

Cheetah is a person, not an animal, you think she's an animal because of her appearance but she is a person and Batman making out with her was hot.

I wanna see that translate to a live action film and give us a gender reverse version of Shape of Water as there's too many human women and nonhuman male relationships out there.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Cheetah is a person, not an animal, you think she's an animal because of her appearance but she is a person and Batman making out with her was hot.

I wanna see that translate to a live action film and give us a gender reverse version of Shape of Water as there's too many human women and nonhuman male relationships out there.

Dude. Take your meds. CHILL.

We get it, you think Cheetah is hot. Enough said.

ADDED: Cheetah is neither a person nor an animal. She's fiction. So shut up about it, please.

[Egon1982]

Dude. Take your meds. CHILL.

We get it, you think Cheetah is hot. Enough said.

ADDED: Cheetah is neither a person nor an animal. She's fiction. So shut up about it, please.

I just want to see a love scene between Batman and her translated into live action to put Shape of Water to shame as there's been too many human women with nonhuman males when we need the reverse in live action.

And who can do Cheetah's make up? maybe get Steve Johnson.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I just want to see a love scene between Batman and her translated into live action to put Shape of Water to shame as there's been too many human women with nonhuman males when we need the reverse in live action.

And who can do Cheetah's make up? maybe get Steve Johnson.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GrayPepperyAmmonite-small.gif

[Sumac]

Cheetah is a person, not an animal, you think she's an animal because of her appearance but she is a person and Batman making out with her was hot.
I think, we need a sexologist here. :ohwell:

I just want to see a love scene between Batman and her translated into live action
There are plenty of sites with such material around the Internet. Please, go there and fap to your hearts content, just stop acting like a disturbed drooling neckbeard.

[CyberCubed]

So this is what it means to be a furry

[Egon1982]

So this is what it means to be a furry

Furry is mainstream now, accept it.

Even TMNT is popular among the fandom

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Furry is mainstream now, accept it.

Even TMNT is popular among the fandom

https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8s02leKjx1ql4524o1_500.gif

[Andrew NDB]

Furry is mainstream now, accept it.

Even TMNT is popular among the fandom

https://media.giphy.com/media/NSqRsks8nLG4i3vBBN/giphy.gif

[IMJ]

Furry is mainstream now, accept it.

Even TMNT is popular among the fandom

Have you ever been to a "furry event" or gathering or anything like that? Curious as to the depth of wisdom you have regarding those experiences. Such as, what did you do at the gatherings and what is your costume of choice? If not, do you plan on going to a "Furry Event"? Does everyone dress up? What would you wear? I'll bet those costumes are very itchy on the inside - all that sewing and fake fur.....

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Have you ever been to a "furry event" or gathering or anything like that? Curious as to the depth of wisdom you have regarding those experiences. Such as, what did you do at the gatherings and what is your costume of choice? If not, do you plan on going to a "Furry Event"? Does everyone dress up? What would you wear? I'll bet those costumes are very itchy on the inside - all that sewing and fake fur.....

https://media3.giphy.com/media/DBz92R0emeeti/source.gif

[Egon1982]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8s02leKjx1ql4524o1_500.gif

*punches back*

[Egon1982]

I think, we need a sexologist here. :ohwell:


There are plenty of sites with such material around the Internet. Please, go there and fap to your hearts content, just stop acting like a disturbed drooling neckbeard.

**** you dickhead

[IMJ]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/DBz92R0emeeti/source.gif

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Dude he's been PMing me with very specific and guided questions about puppets, so I only thought it was fair to ask, considering we were all sharing.

Anyway, back to the Wonder Woman convo. Egon, you feel free to answer my questions and you go right ahead just put your answers in the weird animal love thread so we can get right back on track here, mmmkay?

:lol:

[Egon1982]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Dude he's been PMing me with very specific and guided questions about puppets, so I only thought it was fair to ask, considering we were all sharing.

Anyway, back to the Wonder Woman convo. Egon, you feel free to answer my questions and you go right ahead just put your answers in the weird animal love thread so we can get right back on track here.

:lol:

Animal? you mean people who are different.

[IMJ]

Animal? you mean people who are different.

That too lil buddy, go ahead and put your answers to those furry questions in the animal love/people who are different/whateveryouwannacallit thread.

[Egon1982]

That too lil buddy, go ahead and put your answers to those furry questions in the animal love/people who are different/whateveryouwannacallit thread.

why say "animal love"?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

why say "animal love"?

https://i.genius.com/0771778e1aa8823521abff803b817fc44ee97511?url=https %3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F6n2z5fMNLThBK%2 Fgiphy.gif

[Egon1982]

https://i.genius.com/0771778e1aa8823521abff803b817fc44ee97511?url=https %3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F6n2z5fMNLThBK%2 Fgiphy.gif

*punches back*

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

*punches back*

You've got a whole 'nuther thread to talk your stuff, man. Leave this thread to more... shall we say "vanilla" preferences?

Muchas gracias.

[CyberCubed]

I guess it was Super Goku. Why do you guys fall for him every time?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I guess it was Super Goku. Why do you guys fall for him every time?

Because any day is a good day to post Archer GIFs and entertain you jaded heathens.

[IMJ]

I guess it was Super Goku. Why do you guys fall for him every time?

Someone else mentioned this, but I don't know who Super Goku is. I saw some threads a while back with a banned user name, but I don't know the story, the taunts, the motivation or the legend.

What I do know is that Egon guy was one weird mother #$%^&*.

[MikeandRaph87]

Someone else mentioned this, but I don't know who Super Goku is. I saw some threads a while back with a banned user name, but I don't know the story, the taunts, the motivation or the legend.

What I do know is that Egon guy was one weird mother #$%^&*.

Noticing I missed on the fun please allow for this appropriate Gif.
https://media0.giphy.com/media/Jo4MzAWnDsF8Y/giphy.gif

[Leo656]

Ohhh, so THAT's what I missed. Huh.

[Andrew NDB]

Maybe straight to digital?

https://comicbook.com/dc/2020/03/20/wonder-woman-1984-no-theatrical-release-streaming-hbo-max/?fbclid=IwAR1IwkqINVdFslJKrUH9iSTW1bS7vJDd80Fgn8Rz 9eh04FnT73iQgNZ20Js

[CyberCubed]

Hopefully. We’re living in the digital age, this isn’t 2002 anymore. They’ll give it a theatrical release later but release it straight online digitally.

The best part of this is it sets a precedent for the rest of Hollywood. Movies coming out directly digitally even if they come out the same time as the theater is the way to go. We’re not living in the VHS era anymore, these days people watch movies on their cell phones on their way to work for goodness sakes.

[Sumac]

Except why people even go to the cinemas, if new movies will be available immediately in Internet?

[CyberCubed]

Well they can do both. Some want to see it on a big screen with snacks, others can watch at home or on their cell phone. It’s a direction movies will probably go in during this decade.

[newfan]

I was looking forward to seeing this on the big screen, only caught the last one when it reached movie channels. What was the release date for this again btw? I am thinking it was summer?

[TommyT]

You've got a whole 'nuther thread to talk your stuff, man. Leave this thread to more... shall we say "vanilla" preferences?

Muchas gracias.

You want a love scene. C'mon. It's two chicks fighting. We all want a love scene.

FloKMOp4wN8

[sdp]

Except why people even go to the cinemas, if new movies will be available immediately in Internet?

It's a different social experience. The "big screen", the food, the friends etc. Hell movie theaters will need to work harder to make it a good experience.

The pandemic is the perfect time for studios to test out if the market is mature enough to try this and if they can make their money back. Hell if they dont' and this becomes the future maybe we'll see lower budgeted movies instead of the bloated garbage that is made nowadays

[TommyT]

It's a different social experience. The "big screen", the food, the friends etc. Hell movie theaters will need to work harder to make it a good experience.

The pandemic is the perfect time for studios to test out if the market is mature enough to try this and if they can make their money back. Hell if they dont' and this becomes the future maybe we'll see lower budgeted movies instead of the bloated garbage that is made nowadays

I mean who doesn't love paying 20.00 for a bag of popcorn and 11.00 for a coke? It's great to sit on dirty seats and have a bunch of strangers chat infront of you while some jag-off kicks the back of your seat.

It's a fantastic experience to be sure.

[Sumac]

It's a different social experience. The "big screen", the food, the friends etc. Hell movie theaters will need to work harder to make it a good experience.
As not an avid movie goer, I can't understand this. When I went to the cinema it was to see the movie as early as possible. But I am not people's person.

I mean who doesn't love paying 20.00 for a bag of popcorn and 11.00 for a coke? It's great to sit on dirty seats and have a bunch of strangers chat infront of you while some jag-off kicks the back of your seat.

It's a fantastic experience to be sure.
I am sure you are big fan at the parties and never go cheap on food and stuff for your friends. :lol:

[Leo656]

NJ movie theaters are typically pretty awesome, I'm forever baffled by peoples' complaints about movie theaters. Granted, I've only ever gone to a movie theater in NJ and PA but very rarely have I had a bad experience. Certainly nothing close to the typical horror stories.

Yes, the snacks are overpriced, but that's mostly on Disney and the rest taking 80% of every ticket sold and thus the theaters have to make money somewhere.

Anyway. Everything that's leaked out about this one says it'll be a visual treat with a terrible script and I probably wasn't going to see it in theaters anyway. Which is a shame, but maybe it's for the best. People are a lot more forgiving of bad movies when they're watching them at home. I'm not in any rush to see it regardless, but people who enjoyed the first one might not feel SO let down if they see this on at home rather than paying money for a night out. So it might end up getting a warmer reception overall.

[TommyT]

As not an avid movie goer, I can't understand this. When I went to the cinema it was to see the movie as early as possible. But I am not people's person.


I am sure you are big fan at the parties and never go cheap on food and stuff for your friends. :lol:

Because i don't want to pay 20 dollars for a bag of popcorn?
The parties we throw, don't often involve popcorn and soda, usually its sluts and blow.

Isn't that how it's done in mother Russia? You trade blow jobs for bluejeans and passports right?

[Sumac]

Because i don't want to pay 20 dollars for a bag of popcorn?
The parties we throw, don't often involve popcorn and soda, usually its sluts and blow.
You can't have fun with friends without popcorn?

Isn't that how it's done in mother Russia? You trade blow jobs for bluejeans and passports right?
Your parents were Russian?

[ZariusTwo]

Maybe straight to digital?

https://comicbook.com/dc/2020/03/20/wonder-woman-1984-no-theatrical-release-streaming-hbo-max/?fbclid=IwAR1IwkqINVdFslJKrUH9iSTW1bS7vJDd80Fgn8Rz 9eh04FnT73iQgNZ20Js

WB aren't budging from a theatrical release

https://www.indiewire.com/2020/03/wonder-woman-1984-theaters-streaming-coronavirus-1202219383/

[Andrew NDB]

They've delayed this movie like 10 years they might as well delay it 11 for a proper release.

[CyberCubed]

Originally theaters were created because most people didn't own TV's in the early 1900's, and then they just stuck around for the experience. Theaters are also always aimed at teens or young adults who go on, "hot dates" to the theater. As most people know, "going to a movie" is like one of the main things people like to go on dates with, and that's why they stuck around.

Most adults don't have a "hot date" to take to the theater anymore, hence why you see them come in with kids or their families. So a lot prefer watching from home. The rise of digital really changed things because nowadays people are used to "instant gratification" and movies/shows released you can watch anywhere even on your phone, so going to a theater has lessened.

[newfan]

Originally theaters were created because most people didn't own TV's in the early 1900's, and then they just stuck around for the experience. Theaters are also always aimed at teens or young adults who go on, "hot dates" to the theater. As most people know, "going to a movie" is like one of the main things people like to go on dates with, and that's why they stuck around.

Most adults don't have a "hot date" to take to the theater anymore, hence why you see them come in with kids or their families. So a lot prefer watching from home. The rise of digital really changed things because nowadays people are used to "instant gratification" and movies/shows released you can watch anywhere even on your phone, so going to a theater has lessened.

? and some of us just enjoy going to the big screen, whatever age we are or whether we go with friends/family or a date, it's not limited to a certain group.

[Sumac]

Originally theaters were created because most people didn't own TV's in the early 1900's, and then they just stuck around for the experience. Theaters are also always aimed at teens or young adults who go on, "hot dates" to the theater. As most people know, "going to a movie" is like one of the main things people like to go on dates with, and that's why they stuck around.

Most adults don't have a "hot date" to take to the theater anymore, hence why you see them come in with kids or their families. So a lot prefer watching from home. The rise of digital really changed things because nowadays people are used to "instant gratification" and movies/shows released you can watch anywhere even on your phone, so going to a theater has lessened.
And you are not a social person too, I guess?

[CyberCubed]

Unless you have kids and a family, it's really not worth it anymore. If I could just watch a movie in a quick 10 second click streaming online, over paying money/gas to drive to a theater, buy an overpriced ticket, and then overpriced popcorn or snacks, and then deal with kids screaming in a theater, I'd take it.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Unless you have kids and a family, it's really not worth it anymore. If I could just watch a movie in a quick 10 second click streaming online, over paying money/gas to drive to a theater, buy an overpriced ticket, and then overpriced popcorn or snacks, and then deal with kids screaming in a theater, I'd take it.

What theater have you gone to that sells popcorn for $20?! There should be different sized popcorns that are sold at different prices, not to mention some that gives out free refills. Also, I recommend just going on a weekday since it's likely slow and kids are in school.

[Egon1982]

I still think you can't beat theatrical experience of seeing it on the big screen.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I still think you can't beat theatrical experience of seeing it on the big screen.

Damn right you can't.

[TommyT]

Damn right you can't.

Theater is 2-4k projection.
It often smells like buttery vomit.
The sound is loud to the point of painful, just to drown out other fools who chat.
Sticky floors.

Built our own home theater. 4K 85 inch TV, 7.1 surround, and an oldschool popcorn maker.

Costs of doing that amounted to 2,500. Onetime trip for us to the movies is 75-100$.

25 trips to the movies, or a home theater. The choice was easy.

[Cure]

For 2500 you have to have a reeeeeeal ****** TV and speaker set up. Especially for an 85 inch.

[Leo656]

Also, if most people had a few grand to drop on a TV and speakers and sh*t, they'd have money for a lot more important sh*t than that. :lol: Or they live in an apartment (or as in my case, the upstairs loft section of a house), or other shared space where that kind of set-up simply wouldn't work. "Just build a home theater" isn't a practical solution for most people.

And, as others have mentioned, some people simply enjoy the overall experience. We have great theaters over here, I'm sad that they'll probably shut down permanently in the wake of this. I only go a couple times a year but some things are just plain better in a theatrical setting. Like, "The Last Jedi" was awful but having seen it in the theater, I can totally get why some people were enchanted by it. That "experience" is the biggest reason people go in the first place.

If you hate people and don't like going out, then fine, but most people simply aren't like that.

[TommyT]

For 2500 you have to have a reeeeeeal ****** TV and speaker set up. Especially for an 85 inch.

Samsung 85 inch 4K TV Black Friday deals were great. If you pay attention, you can get great deals. Do some research, google is your friend.

I love the **** talking here though. Either the TV is ****, or I’m **** for having extra.

[TommyT]

Also, if most people had a few grand to drop on a TV and speakers and sh*t, they'd have money for a lot more important sh*t than that. :lol: Or they live in an apartment (or as in my case, the upstairs loft section of a house), or other shared space where that kind of set-up simply wouldn't work. "Just build a home theater" isn't a practical solution for most people.

And, as others have mentioned, some people simply enjoy the overall experience. We have great theaters over here, I'm sad that they'll probably shut down permanently in the wake of this. I only go a couple times a year but some things are just plain better in a theatrical setting. Like, "The Last Jedi" was awful but having seen it in the theater, I can totally get why some people were enchanted by it. That "experience" is the biggest reason people go in the first place.

If you hate people and don't like going out, then fine, but most people simply aren't like that.

Theaters here are basically homeless shelters now. It’s a Petri dish of disease.
Theater are the ‘expensive’ option, so if you can throw money away, by all means.
I prefer save and invest. It’s also a ****ing godsend right now.

[Andrew NDB]

I have a pretty awesome setup at home but I still appreciate going to the theater as a communal experience. Hearing people react to this or that that I might not have gotten the same thing out of, etc..

[Leo656]

I mean, it's whatever makes a person happy, so if you've got the hook-up, good for you. You're not a bad person for it. If I had the money and the space, I would do it, absolutely. Mostly because the audio on most DVDs and Blu-rays are optimized for a home theater set-up, and if you don't have one, you get that annoying sh*t where you can barely hear people talking, so you keep the volume way up and then suddenly "BOOOOM!", and thus you're fiddling with the volume every few seconds. That's really annoying and entirely on purpose so people will be "forced" to splurge more on the home theater set-up, so yeah, there's a definite upside to having one. Frankly, though, it's more money than I can reasonably spend on "watching TV". Most people I know are in the same boat, "If I had the money for that I'd have money for lots of things."

But even if I did, I'd still go out to the theater because of the experience. Same reason I occasionally go out to eat at a nice restaurant even if I have the exact same food at home. People have been predicting the death of movie theaters for 20 years now, ever since big TVs and home theater set-ups were no longer ONLY available to the very rich, and yet people are turning out to see movies in record numbers, even if it's for fewer films altogether. People still flock to the theaters, even when it's a movie most of them are predicting they'll hate, like the new Star Wars stuff. They don't go just for The Movie, they go for The Experience, and not JUST the "giant picture and awesome sound" experience.

I do agree that this will be a huge blow to the theater industry, and they may never recover, but if the industry dies it won't be because people don't still want to go. It will be because now everyone is broke. And that's a shame. I never celebrate when any industry shuts down, because it means more people broke and homeless, and in turn more people killing themselves rather than dealing with being broke and homeless. And that's awful. So even if some people don't care because they hate going to the theater for whatever reason, it's still bad for the majority of people, regardless.

[Andrew NDB]

Some movies just have terrible sound mixes on home release, period. I encounter it all the time. The dialogue vs. music and SFX. Not much you can do but boost it up and/or turn down bass.

[Leo656]

((Shrug)) I forget where I read it but it was only a couple of weeks ago, some article about how they purposely nerf the audio so people will buy better (= more expensive) speakers. I'm no expert but the way they explained it made a lot of sense.

I mean, brake pads and fan belts don't last as long as they used to either. Pretty much everything we buy is designed to entice us to "upgrade" or "replace" with ever-greater frequency.

Gonna be a whole lotta people being "frugal" when this is all said and done, that's for sure.

[TommyT]

I will say, in LA, I had chance to go to one of the big cinemas downtown.
It was a totally different experience than here. We have a chain called Cineplex Odeon, they chased most of the competitors out, and have a monopoly.

They are the big, cheap, shittier version of what we once had. Also, it’s no longer a comfortable experience. Yeah, as a kid, in my teens it was great,but there were no cellphones then, and people were a better at being quiet. It’s a weird thing to say. Going to a movie was a fun experience before, but that isn’t today. Today it’s a shitshow.

People who go and live tweet a movie should be shot, in the ****ing street.

Now, I have a great seat, everytime, no fighting for the arm rest with a stranger, and if I need to piss, I don’t miss a damned thing.

[Andrew NDB]

All the theaters here (well, maybe 90%) all have nice big reclining leather seats.

I remember Cineplex Odeon. That used to be a thing here in WA but I haven't heard that name in a decade or more.

[Leo656]

It's gotten better recently (well, "recently" as in the last 10 years or so). The aforementioned reclining leather seats, better overall quality in general.

One thing I noticed, and only recently found out the "Why" of, is that on very rare occasions a movie will seem a little off or out of focus. Turns out that most likely it was because some operator neglected to swap the 3D lenses on the projector, and since it wasn't a 3D showing, the picture quality suffered. Apparently very few people are trained to swap the lenses correctly and since the projectors are mostly-automated now, it's become standard to just leave them in and thus some movies get played out of focus, and if anyone complains they just refund their ticket money since it wasn't going to the theaters' pockets anyway.

That kinda sucks, but it only happened a couple of times that I was aware of. Otherwise, I definitely enjoy going more now than I used to. They're generally cleaner as well, except for the bathrooms, which... well, all public bathrooms are f*cking awful, anyway. I pretty much have to be about to lose it before I'll even touch one. That's not really a theater problem, though, that's a general "I'm not at home so f*ck whoever has to clean up after me" problem, because people are inherently awful.

[TommyT]

All the theaters here (well, maybe 90%) all have nice big reclining leather seats.

I remember Cineplex Odeon. That used to be a thing here in WA but I haven't heard that name in a decade or more.

We had Famous Players and AMC before. Both were killed.
IMAX used to be a big player as well.

Now. It’s all Cineplex. I wasn’t exaggerating at the prices. 20$ for snacks for one. Tickets can be 22$ each. It’s madness.

[Leo656]

That's definitely wacky. I pay around $12 per ticket over here, sometimes less. One place I went to commonly offered Student prices of under $10 if the only seats left were in the first two rows, and with the reclining seats that's not even a huge deal-breaker anymore like it used to be. But they know it's annoying so they let you pay like eight bucks rather than leave. That's always cool.

A popcorn-and-soda bundle is generally about $8, give or take. My wife and I generally split one because we don't like to get up to piss during a movie, and I can't guzzle a giant soda and hold it for an hour like I used to. So yeah, a Movie Night is about $35 for the two of us, which isn't bad.

I definitely believe the $20+ horror stories, though, I hear it from lots of people who live elsewhere. Just glad that's not the standard over here.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, it's like $12-14 here. Less for matinee. 3D is like $17 or so.

[Autbot_Benz]

August 14th 2020 is the new release date

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...source=twitter

[CyberCubed]

Watch them push it back again to November, don't see that date sticking.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Our local theater is 10$, 6$ for matinees. Snack will run about 6-7$ a person, but we usually share a bag of popcorn, and get small drinks. I have a fairly big purse, though, so we can slip in a couple of the big candy packs. Same stuff as the theater, but cheaper from the grocery store.

[TommyT]

Our local theater is 10$, 6$ for matinees. Snack will run about 6-7$ a person, but we usually share a bag of popcorn, and get small drinks. I have a fairly big purse, though, so we can slip in a couple of the big candy packs. Same stuff as the theater, but cheaper from the grocery store.

Wanted to pull a screen grab to show the insanity, but:

https://i.imgur.com/JQqQ659.png

So here:
https://i.imgur.com/rsATFzN.png
https://i.imgur.com/DRbIep3.png


We also pay 13% tax on the whole shebang.

And yes, it's the Imax price, I refuse to pay 16.00 for a 15ft screen in a tiny theater.

If we buy snacks for everybody, it's anywhere from 80-100$, not including gas.

[Autbot_Benz]

October release now

https://deadline.com/2020/06/wonder-woman-1984-jumps-to-october-following-tenet-summer-shift-1202958294/

[drgon78]

October is a bad release month, makes me wonder how much faith they have in this movie.

[ZariusTwo]

New trailer

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm not thrilled with seeing Maxwell Lord be an 80's version of Trump, or all the 80's humor in general. Ha ha, fanny pack! Ha ha, parachute pants! Whatever.

But it's Gal, and it's the same creative team, so I'll see it. I don't think it'll be as good as the first, but I've got enough goodwill carried over from it to give this one a shot.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I'm a huge Max Lord fan so seeing how they screwed him up already has me on guard. Also, this will probably be his only film appearance, if certain rumors are to be believed, so once again they're likely taking one of the better DC characters and putting them to poor use before writing them out. Sad.

Cheetah design looks kinda cool.

I expect that the movie will be visually amazing but the story is probably junk. It sure sounds like junk. Huge chunks of it have already leaked out and man... I don't know.

If nothing else we can be sure it will LOOK amazing.

[MikeandRaph87]

Will Cheetah be Barbara Minerva amalgamation with Priscilla Rich or just Barbara Minerva?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, I'm a huge Max Lord fan so seeing how they screwed him up already has me on guard. Also, this will probably be his only film appearance, if certain rumors are to be believed, so once again they're likely taking one of the better DC characters and putting them to poor use before writing them out. Sad.

Cheetah design looks kinda cool.

I expect that the movie will be visually amazing but the story is probably junk. It sure sounds like junk. Huge chunks of it have already leaked out and man... I don't know.

If nothing else we can be sure it will LOOK amazing.

Yeah. I'd say maybe we can get an homage to the WW neck snap, BUT:

1) The massive plot leaks say nothing about it, and
2) I don't see Gal or Patty being okay with that idea AT ALL. Too dark, too violent.

Sigh. At least Cheetah looks somewhat intimidating.

[IMJ]

Yeah, I'm a huge Max Lord fan

I don't know much about the character, but he seems like a huge departure from how he was portrayed in the Supergirl tv series - which I only suffered through up until I couldn't stand the "angry old white men" thing anymore from Jenna whateverhernameis.

[Leo656]

Yeah. I'd say maybe we can get an homage to the WW neck snap, BUT:

1) The massive plot leaks say nothing about it, and
2) I don't see Gal or Patty being okay with that idea AT ALL. Too dark, too violent.

Sigh. At least Cheetah looks somewhat intimidating.

Lots of rumors I've seen actually imply that's more or less what happens, but apparently the ending is Super Top Secret. Which actually kind of implies that something to that effect does happen.

Scuttlebutt says that she kills Max on-camera in front of the whole world, somehow, and this ties into why she was in hiding and inactive by the time BvS takes place. She had to retire in "disgrace" without any way to properly explain what she'd done or put it into context, so she retired as "Wonder Woman" to exist as regular "Diana Prince" instead.

That's the rumor, anyway. One of 'em.

I mean, she killed plenty of people in the first movie so I doubt it's the killing in general they'd lean away from. She might just not twist his head around. But I'd say it's at least 50/50 as to whether or not she kills him. Maybe more 70-30 "for".

I don't know much about the character, but he seems like a huge departure from how he was portrayed in the Supergirl tv series - which I only suffered through up until I couldn't stand the "angry old white men" thing anymore from Jenna whateverhernameis.

I think I only say his character in one episode of that show, but I wasn't too impressed with that I saw there, either. That show was terrible, so I didn't stick around for more.

This version seems very "In Name Only", which is a shame. He's a great character who could have been used to great effect if they'd bothered to do right by his actual characterization and give him a proper build. But I personally don't have high hopes for him in this. He's a much more important character than what they're using him as.

It feels like they just skimmed Wikipedia for "Wonder Woman Villains" and he seemed like a pretty big deal fairly-recently, so he got the nod. Meh.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Lots of rumors I've seen actually imply that's more or less what happens, but apparently the ending is Super Top Secret. Which actually kind of implies that something to that effect does happen.

Scuttlebutt says that she kills Max on-camera in front of the whole world, somehow, and this ties into why she was in hiding and inactive by the time BvS takes place. She had to retire in "disgrace" without any way to properly explain what she'd done or put it into context, so she retired as "Wonder Woman" to exist as regular "Diane Prince" instead.

That's the rumor, anyway. One of 'em.

I mean, she killed plenty of people in the first movie so I doubt it's the killing in general they'd lean away from. She might just not twist his head around. But I'd say it's at least 50/50 as to whether or not she kills him. Maybe more 70-30 "for".

Well, that'd be something at least. Hope it happens, but still skeptical.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I'm looking forward to it. Enjoyed the first one and I thought I'd end up hating Kristen Wiig's Cheetah costume but I dig it. Nothing against Wiig but she's far from one of my favorite actresses so I was wary of her in the role at first.

[Shark_Blade]

I think Kristen Wiig is fine in Ghostbusters, probably my fav character in it so I’m definitely looking forward to this.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Rather not talk about Ghostbusters, but I'll give her a chance with this movie.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah. As soon as the conversation turned into, "Maybe we should have Max Lord in our new Wonder Woman movie," I give 75% odds the rest of it became, "So we have to end this with Wonder Woman snapping his neck."

[Leo656]

I would've done the Slow Burn. Introduce him in one of the movies set post-Justice League as the group's liason/PR guy, because it's quite clear that they'd need one based on what we've seen of this world in MoS and BvS. Have him show up in the other characters' movies as sort of a bit player, but make it clear that he's someone they trust and that he's a Very Important Player. And then in like JL III do the reveal where he's secretly been playing and manipulating them the whole time, and do an adaptation of the "Sacrifice" arc.

It would even play in SO WELL to the way the world was established in MoS and BvS. The crux of those movies was all about, "The people don't trust metahumans" and that's Max Lord's entire heel gimmick. "I gained your trust so I could control you, because you're all too dangerous to be trusted and you can't control yourselves." Add in some dialog about how his mother died in the Battle of Metropolis or something and that's when he reached out to Lex Luthor and together they formed this Grand Plan or whatever.

But see, that would require planning, adherence to plot, and motivation to stay consistent with what earlier movies have already established. WB generally sh*ts the bed on ALL of those things on a regular and frequent basis.

Instead, you know they just Googled "Wonder Woman, villains, 1980s characters" and Max's name came up, and that's about where it ended.

I guess I should be glad he's getting put in a movie at all, but I can't help it. They're leaving SO much money on the table with this character by using him so carelessly. Like that totally could have been their JL III storyline (Yes, I know they'd have to get through JL II first :lol:), and it would have been a nice "comedown" after two straight movies of all the Darkseid stuff. Having their trusted advisor try and tear them apart from within would have been an awesome way to follow all of that up.

Sigh. Alas...

[Andrew NDB]

Remember, they wanted to put Max Lord in that George Miller Justice League movie, too, as the big bad (with a really shrimpy guy... I forget his name). So it's not really a new idea.

[Leo656]

They never are. "New Ideas" cost a lot of money!

Like, just earlier today I was wondering what faint whispers of Affleck's Batman movie script are still in the DNA of what's become "The Batman" movie. I know they love to trumpet how it's a completely brand new thing unique only to itself, but the reality is, that's not how these projects work, not ever. Step One is ALWAYS to dig the last script you paid a million dollars for out of the drawer to see how much, if anything, can be salvaged. Then the "brand new script" is drafted with notes from the producers saying how much of the last script is still in play. But nothing ever gets thrown out completely and old ideas always resurface eventually. Kinda like how with BvS, Zack told "his" story which was still full of elements WB insisted "had" to be in there based on unused ideas from 10+ years and several scripts previous. "We already paid for these ideas, so fit 'em in someplace."

Once they get an idea in their head, it's not going away until it finally gets to play out. So yeah, they've probably been sitting on Wonder Woman killing Max Lord for a long time now, and just plain don't care anymore how they get there so long as they finally get there in a movie.

I wasn't a fan of how "Mortal" was shaping up, either, quite frankly. I felt like most of the same complaints people had about the way Zack set up his League could just as well apply to that movie based on what we know of it. Particularly and especially the complaints about rushing to get there without much foundation being set, and expecting a lot of viewers to already know a lot of the material from comic books. I always kinda felt like we dodged a minor bullet there. I mean at least by the time JL came out, there were three movies which established that universe and those characters to SOME degree. "Mortal" was just gonna drop everyone into a universe where everything's already been set up and established, with no backstory given for ANYONE and if you didn't read comics or watch cartoons then "Oh well". That always sounded incredibly iffy, to me, and I'm glad they didn't end up doing it.

[Andrew NDB]

On paper the Snyder way of doing things always made sense to be, conversely to the Marvel way. The Marvel way: do individual movies with each person, then do the big team-up movie. The DC way: basically do one big team-up movie that establishes them, THEN do their solo movies. I really think it would have worked, but it needed to have been good. Everything about BvS and the Whedon JL shot all of that in the foot, of course.

[Leo656]

I mean, did I somehow miss the 6 or 7 solo films before "Fellowship" came out? Like, I seriously couldn't feel any connection to Gimli without having an entire three-hour movie devoted just to his whole origin and backstory, before I could feel good about rooting for him within the context of this gigantic ensemble cast. :lol: :trazz: I can't even watch "Tombstone", I feel like we just aren't given enough establishing backstory on Doc Holliday and every single one of the Earp brothers before we jump in, y'know? :trazz: HOW can I be expected to enjoy or understand these movies without a detailed map?! Don't they know that's a requirement?! :lol:

That's why the "You have to do it THIS way!" bit is so ignorant. It's ONE way that's been proven to work but it just as easily can work in other ways.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: You drop an Aquaman or even a Wonder Woman movie on people cold five years ago, they do alright but don't make a billion dollars. Those movies were such huge successes in great deal because people liked what they saw of them in BvS and Justice League, respectively, and were intrigued. Before those glimpses, the only scuttlebutt about either of those characters having a solo movie, was that they didn't deserve or couldn't carry a solo movie. Meanwhile, "Shazam!" comes out cold and doesn't do so hot compared to absolutely everything else they've done. Maybe people didn't see enough in the trailers to decide if it was worth a chance. Who knows.

My biggest problem, really, is the insistence some people have that there's a One Size Fits All way of doing these projects, and there's simply not. Snyder had a good idea with his approach, and it would have all worked out fine if people weren't such colicky babies. "The blue isn't blue enough! I don't wanna wait two more movies for Martian Manhunter! Where's Hawkgirl?! Waaah waaaaah waaaaaah!"

Underestimating just how loudly certain people would pout about issues of little consequence, and also underestimating how sharply WB will abandon anything and everything at the slightest whiff of bad PR, is ultimately what wrecked the ship. Not the approach, the approach was fine. Rather, people's stubborn insistence from the jump that they simply weren't going to play along with this thing because "It's not like how Those Other Guys did it." When that was entirely the point!

[Vicky82]

Delayed again

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/wonder-woman-1984-release-delay-theaters-october-2020/

[oldmanwinters]

Delayed again

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/wonder-woman-1984-release-delay-theaters-october-2020/

At this point, they'll have to rename the movie: Wonder Woman 1985.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I mean, did I somehow miss the 6 or 7 solo films before "Fellowship" came out? Like, I seriously couldn't feel any connection to Gimli without having an entire three-hour movie devoted just to his whole origin and backstory, before I could feel good about rooting for him within the context of this gigantic ensemble cast. :lol:

Gimli's a bad example, amigo. Worst member of the Fellowship; nothing but comic relief.

I mean, technically Pippin is the worst, because of all the $hit he causes, but at least he contributed to the plot. Gimli does nothing except drink and hit things with his hammer and... GET THE SHORT END OF THE STICK!

Get it? He's a dwarf. Dwarves are short.

Oh, and also, Wonder Woman 2 gets rescheduled again. Happy 2020, everyone! :tlol:

[Sumac]

Guess, WB is DESPERATE to have it in movie theaters, even if it takes a lot of time to get there.

On one hand I can understand their desperation: they are bleeding money and even the richest corporation in the world can not sustain itself like this for long.

But I am afraid people will lose interest in the movie. Or maybe they will be very hungry to see anything in the movie theater.

[CyberCubed]

They're going to have to keep delaying it. Nothing about the coronavirus will change in 4 months. Pretty much any big budget movie is screwed and unless they put it out digitally it's not going to make as much money as it would have pre-virus anyway

[Cure]

Guess, Disney is DESPERATE to have it in movie theaters, even if it takes a lot of time to get there.

On one hand I can understand their desperation: they are bleeding money and even the richest corporation in the world can not sustain itself like this for long.

But I am afraid people will lose interest in the movie. Or maybe they will be very hungry to see anything in the movie theater.

What does Disney have to do with this, exactly?

[Donatello19]

Guess, Disney is DESPERATE to have it in movie theaters, even if it takes a lot of time to get there.

On one hand I can understand their desperation: they are bleeding money and even the richest corporation in the world can not sustain itself like this for long.

But I am afraid people will lose interest in the movie. Or maybe they will be very hungry to see anything in the movie theater.

It's not a Disney film

[Andrew NDB]

They're going to have to keep delaying it. Nothing about the coronavirus will change in 4 months.

Certain people will make sure of it. Though if Trump loses... "CNN: It turns out the virus isn't as deadly as we thought." Etc..

I'm pleased to see there is 1 theater open here, 30 miles away. Will go and see Tenet when I can afford to.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

They're going to have to keep delaying it. Nothing about the coronavirus will change in 4 months. Pretty much any big budget movie is screwed and unless they put it out digitally it's not going to make as much money as it would have pre-virus anyway

Pretty much this. Though as far as digital goes, I've no knowledge of how Mulan's doing on Disney+. Still don't know about the whole 'paying $30 to see a movie digitally' idea but I don't own Disney+.

And Black Widow will likely get pushed to 2021 unless Disney decides to release it on Disney+ which they may not want to.

[Andrew NDB]

Disney said Mulan was a 1 time thing, not the start of the new norm or an experiment.

They know they have to support theaters or there won't be any theaters to support.

[Sumac]

Fixed. For some reason I thought about Disney.
Guess, all those comic book movies mixed in my head.

[Leo656]

Certain people will make sure of it. Though if Trump loses... "CNN: It turns out the virus isn't as deadly as we thought." Etc..

I'm pleased to see there is 1 theater open here, 30 miles away. Will go and see Tenet when I can afford to.

WB had best hope that he wins or else the movie will lose a lot of its bite.

They made Max Lord into a Trump stand-in on purpose and have been crowing about that, and how Diana is "taking the fight to the White House" in this one. That's the kind of dated schlock that only plays well under very specific conditions. If Trump's not in the big chair by the time the movie comes out, then the movie all but loses its entire raison d'etre.

I mean, the "raison d'etre" SHOULD have just been, "Make a good sequel to a really good movie and leave out the agendas entirely" BUT we all know how that sh*t generally goes nowadays.

But yeah, WB had best hope Trump is still in by the time the movie comes out or the entire "Message" is gonna fall entirely flat. Like that joke in one of the early "Transformers" movies about the unseen President character being an idiot hick yokel. Obviously a shot at Bush, they wouldn't have done that "joke" if it came out in the Obama era. Which is another reason why you really shouldn't work so hard to cram nonsense like that in, it ultimately serves little purpose and dates things pretty badly for future audiences.

BUT Y'KNOW.

[Vegita-San]

Now I kind of want trump to loose just to make them seem like even bigger idiots.

although we better hope trump wins. just look at the mess democratic controlled states like NYC and portland are in.

[Leo656]

Or not even states, just look at long-suffering cities like San Fran and Detroit. Or over here, look at Newark. Lookit all that money taken in from bloated taxation programs. Lookit all the good those "social welfare" programs do with all of that tax money, what with all the garbage in the streets and unfettered gang activity and people shooting up in broad daylight, defecating in the streets like dogs. It's amazing how AWESOME those places turn out after 50+ years of Democrat control and all of their "Here's some free needles, and by the way, go shoot up in the bathroom at Subway, they're not allowed to call the cops on you" stuff. I know when I see families with kids having to step over the homeless guy with the needle in his arm sleeping in his own feces, I think, "THAT is a place where the people in charge have everything figured out and running smoothly."

THIS TIME THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT, THOUGH! HONEST!


It's not like there's a hundred years of evidence suggesting they all just tell Very Pretty Lies, then take the money and run while leaving everyone to fend for themselves. They're the Good Guys! :lol::lol::lol:

Such a goddamn joke. BUT, the lies are pretty, so... y'know. :roll:

To me, politics is just another religion. People need to believe in Good Guys and Bad Guys so they don't kill themselves in despair once they realize the universe is a cold and unfeeling place where nothing matters and there isn't anyone in a position of "higher power" who cares about them whatsoever.

Kinda like in the writings of Lovecraft. If people knew the truth about reality, they'd simply go mad. Me? I know the truth and I'm already mad, so I heckle from the cheap seats and laugh at the people who think that if they just give even MORE money to the swine who keep them down, it'll all turn out okay.

Meanwhile, Detroit and San Francisco say "Hello... and also, can we have some money?" :lol:

[MikeandRaph87]

One thing that I wonder. Instead of Maxwell Lord, wouldn't Glorious Godfrey be better for the role in giving Diana and Barbara their desires? It would play into the Darkseid factor and the Millennium event. Yes, Lord,who was not a villain suddenly was and famously had to be killed by Wonder Woman to free Superman. Putting Godfrey in the scenario it would fit into the direction of the movie universe while more in line with the overall comics. Max's sudden heel turn never made much sense.

[Leo656]

It made sense when they later explained it: His mother died in Coast City and that's when he became a strict humanist who believed that leaving humanity's fate up to the meta-humans was too dangerous, and that they needed to either be brought to heel or destroyed outright.

The only thing that muddied it was Geoff Johns, as is his wont, added a throwaway line of dialog about "That's why I kept the JLA ineffectual for years" even though he was still operating from a more sincere place in that time period, as Coast City came way later and ostensibly he was at least semi-sincere during his time running the League and didn't become embittered until later on. You can still fudge it if you want to, though... Max was always a devious one, even at his best.

But no, yeah, it DID make sense it just wasn't very easy to accept for a lot of people. Especially Kieth Giffen. But, y'know.
--------------

To your query, nobody knows or cares who Godfrey is and that's probably why. Plus, name is too goofy so they'd never even consider it. You're right though that insofar as what they're doing with the character he would fit better than Max Lord, but the name "Glorious Godfrey" most likely did not come up when they skimmed Wikipedia to try and come up with a villain for their movie but the name "Max Lord" did.

That's all it comes down to. They needed an "Evil White Male" for her to fight, preferably a guy in a suit. "Max Lord". That's the beginning and end of it.

A shame, Max was always one of my favorite characters but I'm not a fan of this approach. Turning him from a manipulative narcissist who's occasionally telepathic into a full-blown Evil Genie is just plain dumb. But they never ask me what I think.

It doesn't matter. Going by the trailers, it's very obvious to me that they plan to skate by on the admittedly gorgeous visuals. That will undoubtedly be enough to make people handwave any problems with the story itself. I wish it weren't so, but it is. "Who cares if they got Max Lord 100% wrong... she's swinging around on lightning bolts, you guys!!!"

I kinda don't even care about this movie, but I might have to see it because my wife's gonna make me.

[NinjaPug]

Bet WB wishes they kept the original November 2019 release date for this instead of pushing it to Summer 2020 thinking it would lead to a bigger box office.

[Leo656]

The very rich and very shortsighted generally find ways to outsmart themselves.

[CyberCubed]

Even prior to the virus, I'm not sure this one would do as well as the first. The first Wonder Woman was riding on the high of "a female superhero" and "a good DC movie" at a time when things were a mixed bag. Not to mention Wonder Woman's first big screen role since uh...the 70's? (not counting her brief scenes in Batman vs Superman)

This might look like it'll suffer from sequel syndrome, and Cheetah in live action gives a weird mix of furry and CATS movie reactions (and CATS just recently bombed in theaters so it's on peoples minds). I also don't like the idea of Steve Trevor coming back to life when he had a pretty good death in the first movie, but eh I guess people like Chris Pine.

I'm sure story wise it'll be a fine movie, but I don't think it was ever going to make as much impact as the first even if the coronavirus never happened.

[ranger_scout]

A Christmas Day release might not be happening.

https://deadline.com/2020/11/wonder-woman-1984-exhibition-awaiting-another-release-date-change-shortened-theatrical-window-not-in-the-cards-1234608036/

[sdp]

my city has tons of WW84 merchandise and fast food promotions, it must've been way too late to change any of that. when it releases there wont be much tie in merch, then again its rather boring merch.

[Last Ronin]

I love the tags for this thread.

Strange furry tangent, the future is female lol.

[CyberCubed]

It's 100% being delayed till next year. There's a surge of second wave of corona happening now in the U.S. too, so it's not happening.

[Leo656]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/2cc2c2910d00964ff9cf81d10ec795a5/34a092e445395a3c-a1/s500x750/167f107f71b70883e929511fd105803be6c4c1c6.gifv

[Sumac]

I love the tags for this thread.

Strange furry tangent, the future is female lol.
If our future are furry females, can I have a cute catgirl?
Thank you.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, big surprise... now they're talking Summer 2021.

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/wonder-woman-1984-hbo-max-summer-2021-1234830975/

[newfan]

Yeah, big surprise... now they're talking Summer 2021.

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/wonder-woman-1984-hbo-max-summer-2021-1234830975/

Hopefully they will hold off on committing to that, I know things won't magically get better overnight but maybe see out winter, we still have that and spring to go yet.
Was it originally due in summer '19, before they decided to delay? I know no-one saw this situation coming but man what a bad move.

[Andrew NDB]

Hopefully they will hold off on committing to that, I know things won't magically get better overnight but maybe see out winter, we still have that and spring to go yet.
Was it originally due in summer '19, before they decided to delay? I know no-one saw this situation coming but man what a bad move.

Still stupid. I've been to the theaters. They clean the f*** out of them now and I'm not in a casket. If they don't support them they're shooting themselves in the foot.

[Coola Yagami]

WB had best hope that he wins or else the movie will lose a lot of its bite.

They made Max Lord into a Trump stand-in on purpose and have been crowing about that, and how Diana is "taking the fight to the White House" in this one. That's the kind of dated schlock that only plays well under very specific conditions. If Trump's not in the big chair by the time the movie comes out, then the movie all but loses its entire raison d'etre.

I mean, the "raison d'etre" SHOULD have just been, "Make a good sequel to a really good movie and leave out the agendas entirely" BUT we all know how that sh*t generally goes nowadays.

But yeah, WB had best hope Trump is still in by the time the movie comes out or the entire "Message" is gonna fall entirely flat. Like that joke in one of the early "Transformers" movies about the unseen President character being an idiot hick yokel. Obviously a shot at Bush, they wouldn't have done that "joke" if it came out in the Obama era. Which is another reason why you really shouldn't work so hard to cram nonsense like that in, it ultimately serves little purpose and dates things pretty badly for future audiences.

BUT Y'KNOW.

I wonder if they'll have to re-shoot scenes or change the tone now that Trump is out. He'll be nothing but a bad memory come Summer 2021.

[Sumac]

That's the problem with movies that try to be "hip" and "current" - they become old incredibly quick.

[Leo656]

I wonder if they'll have to re-shoot scenes or change the tone now that Trump is out. He'll be nothing but a bad memory come Summer 2021.

For you. I made more money every year for four straight, and in one of those I had my highest annual earnings ever.

I had the hardest time finding a job under Obama because his policies made job growth impossible. New employees were "too expensive". THAT'S my "bad memory". I'm unemployed right now, and it's all gonna repeat under Biden. They're already talking about forced shutdowns again and that's gonna lead to MORE people out of work indefinitely.

I don't care who says mean things on Twitter, I care for who stimulates the economy and puts money in my pocket. That's ALL I care about. For me, the next four years look like they're gonna be Hell, if they're anything like Obama's 8.

So yeah, no, my "bad memories" all involve sleeping in my car. Never had that under a Republican President.

They're not gonna reshoot anything for the movie because they have no money with which to do so, AND it would involve changing too much of the script. So it's gonna play weird. They should have just released the movie in 2019 when it was finished. They got greedy, AND assumed that by coming out in Summer 2020, they could "cheerlead" people into voting against Trump, and so in some small way they could say "Wonder Woman helped people vote Trump out" and they could take credit for it. Lo and behold, it didn't work out that way, and now they look like idiots, but not as much as they will when the movie eventually comes out on the internet and they take a $300 million bath.

Hardy-har-har, WB. Frankly, the movie sounds like a f*cking mess anyways. It'll look pretty but the plot is complete ass. Of course, the former will trump the latter. But yeah, this is what they get.

[CyberCubed]

The movie takes place in 1984, what does it have to do with Trump? He was just a business man back then.

[Andrew NDB]

The movie takes place in 1984, what does it have to do with Trump? He was just a business man back then.

They're forcibly making Max Lord be like a modern day Trump figure and have been openly bragging about for a while now (https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/wonder-woman-1984s-maxwell-lord-is-a-trumpian-villain-for-our-time/). At the end Wonder Woman will probably snap his neck so it can be like a wish fulfilment by the left. It is set in 1984, yes, but told through the lens of 2020 liberal anger.

[Leo656]

The Max Lord character as written for the movie is a blatant Donald Trump expy (totally different than his comic book character), and the producers made a ton of noise about how in this movie Wonder Woman is "taking the fight to the White House".

It's not exactly subtle.

[drgon78]

The fact they went the "Orange Man Bad" path with this movie is a huge turn off and with all the delays I am just loosing interest in general. I don't do streaming so if it isn't in theaters, I will not see it.

[Leo656]

Yeah, it's a shame. I really liked the first movie, but I've read a lot about this one and by all accounts, it's going to LOOK amazing visually but the plot and story is complete garbage. Tons and tons of terrible creative choices.

I expect the visuals, soundtrack, and Gal herself will be more than enough for some people. But I'm really unhappy with the creative decisions and story should always be a big part of it.

[sdp]

I don't do streaming so if it isn't in theaters, I will not see it.
Ok boomer!

[CyberCubed]

The fact they went the "Orange Man Bad" path with this movie is a huge turn off and with all the delays I am just loosing interest in general. I don't do streaming so if it isn't in theaters, I will not see it.

So then wait for the blu-ray, it's not that difficult.

[drgon78]

I am a Gen-Xer, not a Boomer. If I have little or no interest in seeing it, why spend the money to get the Blu Ray!

[Sage Ninja]

That's the problem with movies that try to be "hip" and "current" - they become old incredibly quick.

When I took a screenwriting course this was literally the first thing they told us. Do not write scripts involving "fads" or what is currently "current" because by the time your script gets to production (if it does at all) everything will have moved on to something else, or if it gets made there is the possibility release date can be pushed back by years and it won't be relevant and if something comes off as trying to be hip it just comes across as pretentious and annoying. Also don't use a work of fiction to tell a message, if that is the basis of a work of fiction it will communicate it self to the audience and you will lose them or worse tax their good will towards your work. Movies have themes with complex message related to those themes that might offer social commentary but should only work within that frame work. No movie idea should start off with "I have a biased opinion, how can a wrap a thinly veiled meta narrative around it..." It's going to be sh!t, and deserves to be sh!t on.

This was a beginner screenwriting course, not intermediate, or advanced, BEGINNER. And this was the first thing that was brought up and was really driven home into our brains before we even starting discussing brainstorming ides or screenwriting structure and all that other jazz. So why is this forgotten on the professional level while making movies? Ridiculous.

[Leo656]

It's like Dolly Parton alluded to once. Everybody has strong opinions about things that affect us all, but if you're in the entertainment business it does no good to bang a drum about it because no matter what you're going to alienate almost half of your audience. And that's bad business.

Nobody should ever aspire to be a Seth Rogen type who says dumb sh*t like "Republicans/Trump supporters don't deserve to watch my movies anyway." You don't get anywhere with that kinda sh*t.

[sdp]

Dolly parton also said regarding changing dixie stampede to The stampede

"As soon as you realize that [something] is a problem, you should fix it," Parton adds. "Don’t be a dumbass. That’s where my heart is. I would never dream of hurting anybody on purpose."
https://tasteofcountry.com/why-dolly-parton-dropped-dixie-from-stampede/

I think it will always be relevant to have Trump like bad guy in a movie just how we have say Nixon or other similar politicians. Let's not act like he wasn't very divisive and rude.

[Sumac]

Boo-hoo-hoo, he was rude to someone else!
Let's make a harassment campaign against someone, because, of it, destroy few statues and destroy some things, because...it somehow will make things better.

Like little kids, honestly.

[Andrew NDB]

I had the hardest time finding a job under Obama because his policies made job growth impossible. New employees were "too expensive". THAT'S my "bad memory".

If I had a terrible experience under Obama, I would share it. I didn't, really. But even though I voted for him both terms... yeah, my advancements in both with respect to my income (as in nominal raises) and 401k and my other meager investments... pretty much flatlined for all 8 years, and everyone in my industry around me whose income I was privy to. Not that I was even thinking in terms of politics back then. Under Trump -- until this March -- everything was on a relatively meteoric rise.

A big thing, I think, is when you get older, when you (successfully, even moderately) build a life, when you start a family... you start to realize how impractical the "liberal way" is. It will just undo everything you have built and hurt your loved ones. At least, the current version of the "liberal way" and the trajectory its fans want to shoot it at. Maybe there's 5 good years, then the whole system collapses like in every other socialist country. People without families or livelihoods or maybe pout and feel like they aren't where they should be/aren't special enough... they have less stake in things. They're unhappy anyway. The ones with families and/or livelihoods... it'd be like betting it all (the aforementioned family and livelihood) on Black at a custom roulette table that you can plainly see only has 99% Red spaces for the ball to land in.

I'm unemployed right now, and it's all gonna repeat under Biden. They're already talking about forced shutdowns again and that's gonna lead to MORE people out of work indefinitely.

Where have you been? The whole west coast, all 3 governors have already reinstituted full-on lockdowns. All the gyms and theaters (which account for 0% of the U.S. infections) and restaurants (which account for less than 1% of the U.S. infections) that were allowed to reopen, everyone who went back to work... they're back out of work, with not so much as a glimmer of hope for relief in Unemployment or anything else. "Just stay home, you selfish bastards!" is the party line they're all but saying out loud. Already in effect in OR, goes into effect here in WA at midnight, and Newsom just announced it for CA today. For 2 weeks. Mm-hm. Just like "2 weeks to stop the curve!"

What bothers me the most is the people out there rallying about, "SEE?!? This is why we can't have good things! All you had to do was wear a mask!!!" And they go on to chastise people for not wearing masks. But... I'm not seeing it, myself. Everyone I see on the streets, in the stores, on the sidewalks, going into restaurants seem to be abiding by it all just fine. Are there really, truly trunkloads of people barging into businesses, (like, ignoring the employees telling them to put it on) defying the masks order, getting sick, and then immediately going to get COVID tested? That doesn't sound right. I don't see it. I don't think this is true at all.

And the numbers the governor throw at us are just empty numbers. "Number of reported infections today" doesn't tell us a whole lot of anything. Where? In restaurants, or like nursing homes? ERs? Hospital waiting rooms? Peaceful protests? In their own home when an essential worker brought home COVID, maybe?" Because these are all important questions to be asking to gauge just how much we want to humor the fear mongering media.

*edit: Like, look at this. It looks like they skip one or two whole days at a time of reporting infection cases here in WA weekly (I'm sure the weekend is a component of this, maybe), then play catchup on Day 2 or Day 3 by lumping the last two or three days all together and pretend it's for the present day... thus making it seem like, "OMG!!! 3 times as many infections today!"

https://i.ibb.co/bWHhtxF/125530851-10219857977653704-4688676172015134583-n.jpg

I don't care who says mean things on Twitter, I care for who stimulates the economy and puts money in my pocket. That's ALL I care about.

"B-b-but Twitter says he might be a racist! No, I can't prove it but other people are saying it too! Isn't it better if we have someone nobody is saying that about, even if there's bread lines?"

Gets fairly disgusting. Vote for whoever you want and I promise I still won't delete you from my friend's list but, shesus...

They're not gonna reshoot anything for the movie because they have no money with which to do so, AND it would involve changing too much of the script. So it's gonna play weird. They should have just released the movie in 2019 when it was finished. They got greedy, AND assumed that by coming out in Summer 2020, they could "cheerlead" people into voting against Trump, and so in some small way they could say "Wonder Woman helped people vote Trump out" and they could take credit for it.

You know, I never even considered that was the reason. But yeah. Probably. Weaponization of the arts, as usual. Anything in the arsenal that can be used to remove the mean orange man, whatever the cost.

Whoops.

Hardy-har-har, WB. Frankly, the movie sounds like a f*cking mess anyways. It'll look pretty but the plot is complete ass. Of course, the former will trump the latter. But yeah, this is what they get.

WW with no sword (apparently for the whole movie?) and fake Steve Trevor are mostly what I can't get my head around.

When I took a screenwriting course this was literally the first thing they told us. Do not write scripts involving "fads" or what is currently "current" because by the time your script gets to production (if it does at all) everything will have moved on to something else, or if it gets made there is the possibility release date can be pushed back by years and it won't be relevant and if something comes off as trying to be hip it just comes across as pretentious and annoying. Also don't use a work of fiction to tell a message, if that is the basis of a work of fiction it will communicate it self to the audience and you will lose them or worse tax their good will towards your work. Movies have themes with complex message related to those themes that might offer social commentary but should only work within that frame work. No movie idea should start off with "I have a biased opinion, how can a wrap a thinly veiled meta narrative around it..." It's going to be sh!t, and deserves to be sh!t on.

This was a beginner screenwriting course, not intermediate, or advanced, BEGINNER. And this was the first thing that was brought up and was really driven home into our brains before we even starting discussing brainstorming ides or screenwriting structure and all that other jazz. So why is this forgotten on the professional level while making movies. Ridiculous.

All good points.

[Leo656]

Where have you been?

In NJ, where people aren't complete f*cking idiots who roll over at every new panic.

I literally just joined a gym, and after 8 months it was desperately needed, so they better not f*ck this up for me.

[Roseangelo]

What bothers me the most is the people out there rallying about, "SEE?!? This is why we can't have good things! All you had to do was wear a mask!!!" And they go on to chastise people for not wearing masks. But... I'm not seeing it, myself. Everyone I see on the streets, in the stores, on the sidewalks, going into restaurants seem to be abiding by it all just fine. Are there really, truly trunkloads of people barging into businesses, (like, ignoring the employees telling them to put it on) defying the masks order, getting sick, and then immediately going to get COVID tested? That doesn't sound right. I don't see it. I don't think this is true at all.

This is the thing that is bothering me most right now. I really can't comprehend how so many people are getting this thing when I see a majority of the people complying with the mask mandates and social distancing.

The only person I know through my Facebook feed who has gotten it got it when they attended a funeral and "forgot" about masks and distancing while gathering together.

While the California dictator rolled back the status of many counties today, my county has still never left the highest tier of restrictions. Why? Because it's a large county that has a large Hispanic population in pockets of areas within the county and those are the people who are testing positive. I can only speculate as to why, but they tend to live with a lot of people in small spaces, and they also tend to gather together outside of just their household.

Meanwhile, the part of the county that is fueled by tourists who just want to look at pretty scenery are dying because they either can't open, their operations are severely restricted, or there is just a lack of people out spending money. But yes, let's keep punishing the businesses who are doing everything right and actually aren't the problem.

Ugh.

[Leo656]

It's been stated repeatedly by now that people are going to get sick no matter what we do. As in full precautions, no precautions, either way, people get sick and a few of them die.

Well, that sucks, but them's the breaks. Precautions, sure. Common sense is common sense. But punishing literally everyone over a thing that's only going to truly affect a comparatively small number of people is absolutely ludicrous.

If it's TRULY unavoidable and some people are gonna catch it no matter what - y'know, like what happens with ANY other virus - then this has to be handled case-by-case and not try to "solve" it by shutting everyone indoors over and over again for lengthy periods of time. That isn't going to work. If people are going to catch it with or without a shutdown... then don't bother shutting down.

Some people are going to catch it not matter what precautions are taken. But MOST people, apparently, are not going to, or if they get it they won't suffer from it. Let the old, the obese, the pill-poppers, the asthmatics and the chain-smokers all shut themselves in and hide under the bed, since they're the ones most at risk. Fine. That's common sense. Makes sense for them to play it super-safe, and if they don't wanna go out, they don't have to.

The rest of us have f*cking lives, thanks very much. And shaking in a corner terrified of "germs" ain't exactly living it.

[Coola Yagami]

I think the issue is, regardless of right or left, people handled this terribly. What part of don't go outside do people not understand? They did all these BLM protests and whatnot. What part of don't go outside do they not understand? Then huge gathering for political rallies. WHAT PART OF DON'T GO OUTSIDE DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND.

Two weeks would have solved this had everyone listened. No one did, or rather not enough people did. Now look where we are. Imagine all the jobs, businesses and oh I dunno, LIVES, that could have been saved had everyone done what they were supposed to for 2 weeks. EVERY ONE. EVERY. LAST. ONE.

[Andrew NDB]

I think the issue is, regardless of right or left, people handled this terribly. What part of don't go outside do people not understand? They did all these BLM protests and whatnot. What part of don't go outside do they not understand? Then huge gathering for political rallies. WHAT PART OF DON'T GO OUTSIDE DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND.

Two weeks would have solved this had everyone listened. No one did, or rather not enough people did. Now look where we are. Imagine all the jobs, businesses and oh I dunno, LIVES, that could have been saved had everyone done what they were supposed to for 2 weeks. EVERY ONE. EVERY. LAST. ONE.

I don't know... like I've said elsewhere, if differently... it's a bit like basic training in the military. Like, if someone can't keep up, the drill sergeant will say to everyone else, "Private Gomez can't keep up? Hah! I guess that means 5 more laps for EVERYBODY!!! Get to it!" making it so that everyone is then mad at Private Gomez, and the whole group sort of self-polices itself into order at that point (i.e., they will probably beat up Private Gomez later on, or something).

Except I'm not entirely convinced there even is a Private Gomez in this situation. They're kind of just throwing empty, scary numbers at us without any useful data behind it (what counties? how many of these are asymptomatic people and not even sick at all, what %? how many of these came from just nursing homes? etc.). I don't see really anyone in the streets of Seattle or in businesses not adhering to the mask thing... yet it's "I hate you people!! It's all your fault! If only you'd just wear masks!!! So irresponsible/selfish!!" all over the interwebs. Even the "maybe people are getting infected en masse in the 'peaceful protests'?" type things. Now, I do think the people attending those things are pretty dumb if they're honestly scared of the virus, but I just have a hard time believing, like, a lot of 19-24 year old guys or girls who just threw bricks into a window or are lighting cop cars on fire or whatever it is, get a cough a couple of days later and then dutifully make sure to check into the nearest COVID testing center. They probably get a little sick for a couple of days and bounce back in a week and that's that and you'll never hear about it, if they had symptoms at all. I think something else is going on. I'm not saying they're pulling numbers out of the ether exactly, but I'm 100% sure we're not getting the real deal. We can't be.

And about that original "2 weeks to flatten the curve"? We didn't know what the hell it was back then. Everyone was scared. Hell, I was scared -- all we knew was some alleged super flu was spreading everywhere. Everyone pretty much played ball back then, particularly during those two weeks... now? Now people will pretty much wear the mask, but the fear isn't what it was. It's there, of course, but there aren't nearly as many unknowns.

[Vegita-San]

The rest of us have f*cking lives, thanks very much. And shaking in a corner terrified of "germs" ain't exactly living it.

this is mostly what it boils down too. you most likely arn't going to die from it, and at worst you loose your sense of smell.

That, and we've been in this for about 6 months now, and we STILL don't really know anything concrete about it and the rules seem to change by the week. Remember those glass partitions we where supposed to get? yeah, apparently not so effective....smh.

It's just basically a matter of 'is this really needed' for me. and wearing a mask outside jogging, or while your in your own car by yourself with your windows closed, or sitting at your own desk is on the 'not needed' category. and this is from someone who used to wash money in the washer cause it might be dirty at the peak of my OCD.

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like they've decided officially on Christmas Day release, simultaneously on HBO Max and the theaters that are able to show it.

https://cosmicbook.news/wonder-woman-1984-hbo-max-christmas-day

I mean, that's fair.

[Autbot_Benz]

That's cool All the WB Blu Rays for Black Friday come with 14 day free trials for Max. so I will get one of those and save my free trail till Xmas and watch WW

[CyberCubed]

Thank god its getting an HBO release, that means all the streaming websites should have it up within the end of the day and I can watch it online. I'm still waiting for them to do Black Widow like this just to get that over with, no idea why they can't just give it a Disney+ release so I can watch it for free.

[Andrew NDB]

that means all the streaming websites should have it up within the end of the day and I can watch it online.

Sad but true. At least the people who are willing to risk certain death by going to the theater (that's sarcasm) have the opportunity to do so. In terms of lost revenue because of what you say... they probably can write it off as part of the cost of making HBO Max a legitimate streamer competitor.

[CyberCubed]

It's probably ironic the last movie I saw in theaters was Star Wars Episode 9. Never thought that would be final movie theater experience of my lifetime.

[Leo656]

If what Fauci now admits about "it's never going away completely" and we're all gonna need booster shots periodically just like the regular flu is all accurate... I don't see what massive shutdowns will accomplish, be they two weeks or two months.

People are gonna get sick and some of them are gonna die. Maybe fewer. But people are gonna get sick and some will die, no matter whether we shut down or not. Obviously less is better, but it just shows that thinking "We could'a killed this thing if everybody just BEHAVED!" is ridiculous thinking. It's not in our hands, never was.

They don't know what to do and they're grasping at straws. It's just like airport security... the ILLUSION of safety but ultimately very little can come of it.

The precautions already in place are more than enough. It's going to come and go in waves, forever. They've finally admitted as much. It is not something we can eradicate. Definitely not by "Just stay home". Again, people still have to go out grocery shopping. That's a loophole. As long as there are loopholes, it's not an airtight system.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Eh. I woulda seen it in theaters probably, but I'm not heading out on Christmas Day for WW2. Not when the spoilers all make it sound like a beautiful looking sh!t bag.

Maybe HBO Max at some point, or Redbox.

[CyberCubed]

It's hard to believe all the hype the original movie had in 2017 (remember people considering it WB's first good superhero movie in awhile, as well as the first theatrical Wonder Woman film plus a female led superhero movie), and now 3 years later it feels like Wonder Woman 2 is going to release with a whimper.

Even pre-covid it felt like the expectations toward this sequel were rather lukewarm even from the general public who aren't necessarily comic or superhero fans. Too bad really, Wonder Woman is really the perfect fit for today's political climate and it looks like this one is going to be forgotten. I don't think there will be a Wonder Woman 3, at least in this continuity, that's for sure.

[ranger_scout]

Thank God that some cinemas will be showing it because it does give them a lifeline. Since I live in Texas where movie theaters are open I will go and see it on the big screen.

[Leo656]

It still has a decent buzz, but admittedly only from people of the "I refuse to see Spoilers or even watch trailers" variety. Anyone who's seen the general gist of the script - and there's a lot of them by now; remember, this thing's been 100% in the can for over a year, Spoilers for it are rampant - knows that the plot is garbage and only the visual effects can save it. And some people will watch trailers but not read Spoilers, obviously; I've seen them say that the shot of Diana swinging around on lightning bolts is enough for them to call it a masterpiece.

It's gonna be a very beautiful disaster. The plot is BAD. Part of why the original worked so well is that aside from being set in WWI era rather than WWII - because Captain America had already come out and "If we do a WWII super-hero movie we'll be called copycats" :roll: - it was incredibly faithful to the comics. People who know the Wonder Woman lore backwards and forwards loved it, as did neophytes. This, on the other hand, is going to be like "Birds of Prey" - people who don't know sh*t about the comics might like it, but anyone who DOES care about the comics is going to hate it because they screw up a LOT of stuff. And we saw how "well" BoP was received. Everyone but unshaven lesbians hated it.

People will also never admit it, but another part of why the first film worked so well is because Zack oversaw it as a producer and also worked on the script. He wasn't like incredibly hands-on and Patty had a lot of freedom as to how to actually direct the material, but since it was designed to fit in neatly between "Man of Steel", "BvS" and "Justice League" there were certain things that "had" to be in there. Lots of people didn't notice, but if you know what you're looking at his hands are all over it. The general visual style - especially the "storybook" sequence about the history of the Amazons and all that - was all the way Zack. That scene also by design played out very similarly to the "History of Krypton" scene in MoS - that was also no accident. And of course, the scene of Ares tempting Diana to join him and her rebuke of him was entirely lifted from MoS; it was framed similarly, and Diana even says "I can't be a part of this", which is word-for-word what Kal-El told Zod in MoS. None of that was an accident; the two movies were supposed to be "siblings" in a sense and thus they were supposed to mirror each other in several key ways. And it worked to great effect. It's a great stand-alone piece but it ALSO works beautifully as a companion to MoS.

People love to give Patty Jenkins all this credit for being a "visionary" on the first film, but the fact is a ton of what she did was under guidance and direction of Zack. I'm not knocking her, merely stating a historical fact. There are people who will forever refuse to give Snyder credit for anything he does, but the simple fact is that he was a huge part of why "Wonder Woman" worked as well as it did because he laid the brick for it. The biggest thing Jenkins did was simply saturate the color palette more. That was her single biggest piece of "creative input". Again, I'm not trying to knock her, she did her job very well, but it was under direction.

Now that we see what she does when left entirely to her own devices, it's very telling. Wiping her ass with the comic canon, screwing up several key characters, filling the plot with fairy tale nonsense and woke "Fight The Patriarchy/Take Down The White House" junk.

I'm sure it'll do well, or at least as well as it can be with everybody watching it at home for free, and it'll get a decent reaction just because it's all bright and sh*t - people really do seem to grade how "good" a super-hero movie is by the color saturation more than anything, which is odd to me - but the story is a complete mess. I wanted to be excited for it, but frankly I wanted a movie more in the vein of the first one. I'm not in the mood for more "We Hate Trump" preaching after 2020's been overloaded with that. This movie could have been so much more than that.

Ah well. I might see it eventually - my wife loves the character so I'm more or less gonna be "forced" to see it sooner or later - but for every bit of excitement I had for the first - and it was a lot - I'm entirely "Meh" on this one. It's visually stunning but I need more than that.