TMNT Universe #23 Preview and Discussion

[bushido]

Short preview here (https://issuu.com/idwpublishing/docs/tmnt_universe_23-pr).

[CyberCubed]

Glad to see Mondo Gecko finally get some spotlight and a team up with Michelangelo, which as far as I remember, hasn't happened in the IDW unvierse yet.

Also Mutagen Man is still a head after like...2 years. At least he's not frozen in the back of the lair forever like Nick Mutagen Man was. :lol:

[ChosenOne]

Mutagen Man feels like the one time IDW wrote themselves into a corner. He should've self-destructed back in the Mutanimals mini, it would have made him much more memorable and tragic than just sticking around doing nothing (so far).

[Powder]

Oof, this is gonna be a good issue. & I hope I don't get my little heart broken.

[Coola Yagami]

So as the series draws to a close, have they had an issue without the turtles and just the supporting cast?

[Utrommaniac]

I count Karai's Path.

Makes sense that Seymour is the friend they'd end up having to save.

[CyberCubed]

So as the series draws to a close, have they had an issue without the turtles and just the supporting cast?

Do you mean issues the TMNT didn't appear at all? The Karai 4-parter, the Toad Baron 2-parter only had Alopex/Angel, the Dreadmon issue only had Ray/Sally, etc.

[Coola Yagami]

Do you mean issues the TMNT didn't appear at all? The Karai 4-parter, the Toad Baron 2-parter only had Alopex/Angel, the Dreadmon issue only had Ray/Sally, etc.

Cool. Ok. I missed some of the run, but I was curious if it ever did truly live to the Universe name. Glad it did.

[Raptor86]

Yes! More Tunica's crazy art!

[bushido]

Full preview here (https://www.comiccrusaders.com/exclusive-preview-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-universe-23/).

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Seymour still needs to die.

And I am NOT digging this art.

[ChosenOne]

This is giving me Archie TMNT vibes, in the sense that one could easily use Mutagen Man as a pro-euthanasia argument.

Being pro myself, I appreciate the subtle approach to the matter and hope he gets his wish in the end. There's nowhere else for the character to go.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This is giving me Archie TMNT vibes, in the sense that one could easily use Mutagen Man as a pro-euthanasia argument.

Being pro myself, I appreciate the subtle approach to the matter and hope he gets his wish in the end. There's nowhere else for the character to go.

Agreed. Let's go for poignant and an interesting moral debate for adults, not easy Saturday morning "save the day, save the victim!"

[Utrommaniac]

Oh heavens, let him go :teek: . Just let him go, Mondo.

[CyberCubed]

To be Mutagen Man is to suffer.

[neatoman]

To be Mutagen Man is to suffer.

Quite literally.

Just throw him into a meat grinder, it's the humane thing to do.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Aight, let's place bets, right now. Or actually... lemme go start a poll...

[Utrommaniac]

Well...that was something.

It was basically just Michelangelo watching Mondo collapse into a massive adolescent tantrum and getting freaked out by it.

Hob got weirdly beefy and for some reason, wasn't wearing his eyepatch. But I liked the expected "you're not my dad!"-type argument. I especially like that Mondo is more afraid of Seymour's threat to hate him if he comes out of his coma than being upset that he's dying.

It seems like Lindsey is the only one who seems to respect that Seymour wants to die. Maybe even Hob to some extent.

Looking into it now, if there's anyone besides Ch'rell that would go charging headlong into a fight with Leatherhead, I never would have thought that, with the attitude Mondo is putting on, he'd get into one too.

That being said, it is awesome seeing Mike being the voice of reason in this way. Seeing him meditating is cool, and he even has the sense to not consider pineapple a pizza topping!


The mini story was actually a lot of fun for once.
Especially with Angel pretty much being the only one so far who could absolutely kick Zodi's butt; it's about time someone could.

But more alarming than that, Null wants Triceratons for something. That is some HUGE information for the very end of the mini story.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Wow. This issue is... this is much more bizarre than I was expecting.

All the radicalized Mondo dialogue, "fascist pigs", et al... way too freaking over the top. And this is hideous art, just fugly. That is the fugliest Mondo Gecko I've ever seen.

I like Dad Hob, though. :trazz:

Also curious to see what's going on with Null... and I'm confused, is Null working with Bishop? That makes no sense...

[ChosenOne]

Wow. This issue is... this is much more bizarre than I was expecting.

All the radicalized Mondo dialogue, "fascist pigs", et al... way too freaking over the top. And this is hideous art, just fugly. That is the fugliest Mondo Gecko I've ever seen.

I like Dad Hob, though. :trazz:

Also curious to see what's going on with Null... and I'm confused, is Null working with Bishop? That makes no sense...

The anarchy tattoo on Mondo's shoulder is even more OTT.

They're not working together. Zodi broke into an EPF vehicle transporting dead Triceratons.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The anarchy tattoo on Mondo's shoulder is even more OTT.

They're not working together. Zodi broke into an EPF vehicle transporting dead Triceratons.

But when Mondo and Michelangelo are sneaking into Bishop's headquarters, there is clearly a Null sign on the front gate!

[ChosenOne]

But when Mondo and Michelangelo are sneaking into Bishop's headquarters, there is clearly a Null sign on the front gate!

What... The...? I hadn't noticed that. It's either a mistake or a meaningful clue.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

What... The...? I hadn't noticed that. It's either a mistake or a meaningful clue.

Yeah, that's why it weirded me out.

Null has been working against Bishop since Bishop's first appearance... seems weird that Null would have some sort of presence in EPF headquarters... especially given that I don't think Bishop is in the market for a red-skinned, bald, horned demoness partner.

[ChosenOne]

I think it's possible this story was first conceived to involve Null instead of Bishop, and that sign on the gate could be a relic of that early concept that slipped through the cracks. It's either that, or...

[neatoman]

It all makes sense now, Mondo is Antifa!

[ChosenOne]

Considering how violent and immature he acted in this issue, and how unwilling he is to realize that his friend is literally begging to be put out of his misery while Mondo himself drones on and on about "rights" like a hypocrite, yes, it makes tremendous sense.

[neatoman]

Also, breaking into a guy's home and beating him up for having a different opinion. That sells it more than anything.

[ChosenOne]

Oh yes, that too! "I disagree with you, I think you're all fascists, and I don't like fascists, so that gives me the right to break into your property and beat you up like fascists do but totally not because I'm anti-fascist! Virtue signalling rules!" Yeesh... I suddenly like IDW Mondo a lot less than before.

[Utrommaniac]

He's going to have a wake up call big time in the next issue. Probably ending him letting Seymour go. He's going through all the stages of grief at the same time...not a good thing to have when you're a teenage mutant antifa gecko.

[ChosenOne]

teenage mutant antifa gecko.

TMAG! Brilliant! :lol::lol::lol:

As it turns out, he's just as willing to separate a father from his child for the right cause as the next guy. Permanently, too. Who'd a thunk it?

[Zog The Magnificent]

I'm not a fan of the far-right anarchist attitude Mondo suddenly has. That aside, It seems like people are giving Mondo a lot of crap for not wanting to respect Seymour's wishes, forgetting that for Seymour to even ask that of him, his best friend, is incredibly unfair, not to mention that the addition of threatening to hate him if he doesn't comply is kind of a dick move. They both have some issues, it's a tough situation.

[Ninjinister]

Considering how violent and immature he acted in this issue, and how unwilling he is to realize that his friend is literally begging to be put out of his misery while Mondo himself drones on and on about "rights" like a hypocrite, yes, it makes tremendous sense.


Oh yes, that too! "I disagree with you, I think you're all fascists, and I don't like fascists, so that gives me the right to break into your property and beat you up like fascists do but totally not because I'm anti-fascist! Virtue signalling rules!"


Keep the make-believe to the comic books.

[ChosenOne]

Keep the make-believe to the comic books.

We should all be so lucky...

[ChosenOne]

Regarding the "NULL" sign on the EPF's front gate, Bobby says, and I quote, "We will see." :o

[neatoman]

So between Hob acting like a crime lord, Ray wanting to leave a guy in the woods and the Antifa the Gecko, can we all agree that the Mutanimals are all a bunch of misguided assholes?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So between Hob acting like a crime lord, Ray wanting to leave a guy in the woods and the Antifa the Gecko, can we all agree that the Mutanimals are all a bunch of misguided assholes?

Nah. Hob and Ray are antiheroes; I like them.

Mondo Gecko just comes off as a paranoid internet truther... I don't like him. Thus, the assholiness. :trazz:

[Utrommaniac]

Weren't the Mutanimals eco-terrorists in their original comic and Archie though? They were always dancing on the tightrope of morality.

[ChosenOne]

Mondo Gecko just comes off as a paranoid internet truther...

Considering the fact that he likes to go around invisible (and naked), spying on people and hacking into their computer networks... That's at least gotta nab him a few more hypocrite points! Mondo is everything he claims to hate but doesn't realize it. The glass on Seymour's tank mustn't be *that* clean.