What do you want to see in the third film?

[Shellington]

Let's talk about what we want to see in this proposed reboot. I'd like:
- a smaller, more crime-oriented (Mirage-inspired) focus, after all the Foot Clan are yakuza
- Baxter Stockman developing cyborg armor or fly mutations (maybe both)
- Hamato Yoshi appearing, either as Splinter's master or Splinter himself

That's all I got for now.

[Andrew NDB]

Why would it be "the third film"? It's not Platinum Dunes TMNT part 3. It's either "the new film" or "the 7th movie."

And wow. Crazy to think there will have been 7 movies by the time if/when this comes out. 7 TMNT movies. 6 mostly bad. 1 pretty OK.

[neatoman]

What do I want? Shucks, it'd be easier to list what I don't want.

I Don't want:

April as a reporter, most people need to let go of that notion.
Giant Turtles with super strength, because the mutant turtle angle doesn't require it.
Pizza Jokes, since they're not funny, never were, never will be.
Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady, they're not interesting and they usually come across as annoying.
Humans mutating into animals, which is pointless and makes things more confusing even in the case of Splinter, no matter how you try to justify it.


Those are things I'd be happy if they ignored. Trying to figure what I'd actually want is trickier but it boils down to one of two things.
A) Adapt what actually worked rather than bait nostalgia.
B) Go back to the basic concept and rethink it.

Which to me basically means "A Mirage story restructured to fit a cinematic narrative" or "IDW's ideas in a new story that's less dense" or "Let some creative person read som TMNT comics and go nuts". Besides, TMNT as a concept isn't that hard to wrap your head around. Daredevil+X-Men+Animals=TMNT.

Maybe I come back with something more specific, but being vague here is the point. Unless you're heading the project yourself, you shouldn't want anything too specific, that's just setting yourself up for disappointment.

[AquaParade]

Why would it be "the third film"? It's not Platinum Dunes TMNT part 3. It's either "the new film" or "the 7th movie."

And wow. Crazy to think there will have been 7 movies by the time if/when this comes out. 7 TMNT movies. 6 mostly bad. 1 pretty OK.

Well it is under the “Platinum Dunes” section of the board and it would be the third film from them.

It’s crazy the amount of bad luck we’ve had with tmnt films. Following the production of TMNT films, then winding up disappointed has been a constant in my life. Sure, I’m partially to blame for my own expectations, but that’s a harsh view of the situation.

And I’ll be following this one too, with optimism, for now. Statistically, we have to be in for something better than the last five or six.

[IndigoErth]

Why would it be "the third film"? It's not Platinum Dunes TMNT part 3. It's either "the new film" or "the 7th movie."
Yeah, can we maybe discuss the actual topic and not nitpick what we're calling the third TMNT film project by PD. It's not like Shellington called is a "sequel" or anything. :trazz: Calling it "the third" doesn't change what it will or won't be.



That said, honestly, I think PD would probably be best served and safer just to come up with an entirely original story of their own. One that is actually GOOD. Skip the dumb elements or boring things like fart jokes and evil businessmen (aka Eric Sacks). At least make new human villains more interesting than that... (Eric wasn't even a real threat to the Turtles, beyond draining their blood, just a threat to the city, but then never an actual threat at all. They never even directly interacted with him other than Leo speaking two words to him while captured.)


I'm kind of tired of repeating the same things over and over, and even more-so of having to go twisting those things up to try to make them new again. I'd be completely okay with an original tale of other events in the lives of preferably older Turtles; because most versions have not touched on their adult years, or just barely, and there is so much open ground to create something original...that still suits them. It would be a much safer bet for PD.

But it HAS to be a good, complete, in depth story, with heart and meaning and all that, so it can stand on its own as something that can draw an audience without having to rely on nostalgia to get cheap interest. I mean look how good Guardians of the Galaxy turned out; it drew a wide audience of both people who were familiar and those who were not, as well as those into comic book films and those who aren't so interested, because it was a fun, well done adventure. Take a script that good and there's no reason the Turtles can't pull it off if the film makers are willing to treat them as people and heroes rather than "talking animals" they have to make a joke out of. The story of OotS had a lot more potential, but they cut it off at the knees by simplifying it and focusing on the wrong aspects of the overall story. (Like turning it into a scavenger hunt for alien portal parts rather than the, albeit overdone, alien attack on Earth theme.)



Don't reboot from the origin... PD can't handle it and personally I feel no desire to see it from them. (I'll go pop in 1990 if I wanna see that retelling.) Time jump and lets just cover new ground. (Like to their 20s, not a future century.)

I'm a little tired of alien themes at the moment, but if you want to use existing characters from canon and make Krang an actual threat or try out the Triceratons... Eh, why not. Though I still say grab those weird would-be turtle-like alien designs and make them foes for our boys to tangle with.

And remember, the Turtles don't have powers. Under a different exterior they're just a bunch of normal guys just trying to do the best they can in life with the cards they are dealt, just like the rest of us. They didn't even ask to be heroes, but it's a fate that found them.

[Andrew NDB]

There is every reason to believe if any lessons are learned by TPTB after the last couple of "films"... it will be the wrong ones.

i.e., like... "we went too edgy with the last two! We need to play things for an even younger audience!" "Too little Fred Wolf! We need to double down on camp and Bebop!" "We didn't individualize the Turtles enough... we need more accessories!"

[IndigoErth]

Possible, which is a shame.

On the other hand, I hope the new writer will be able to view it from a better perspective since he wasn't involved the last two times and will consider what worked and what didn't. If he's willing to research and lurk around he's probably, hopefully, got no reason to dig in his heals against criticism of the last two films, and I hope able to recognize those previous guys' dumb decisions for what they were. (And the bits that did work okay according to viewers)

I recommend he watch both of those films several times and lurk around online and read up a lot on what the internet had to say.


Individualize the Turtles largely via their personalities, please. I kind of prefer them looking a little different from each other and having their own style, but keep it uncluttered. If they're still in pants, fine, but keep the rest to necessities. They don't need to be taking unnecessary junk with them when they're 'on the job.' Use it or lose it leave it home.



And please... no blue door. Do not do to them what that script did in the end or disconnected them from being fellow Earthlings.

[Andrew NDB]

Possible, which is a shame.

On the other hand, I hope the new writer will be able to view it from a better perspective since he wasn't involved the last two times and will consider what worked and what didn't. If he's willing to research and lurk around he's probably, hopefully, got no reason to dig in his heals against criticism of the last two films, and I hope able to recognize those previous guys' dumb decisions for what they were. (And the bits that did work okay according to viewers)

I recommend he watch both of those films several times and lurk around online and read up a lot on what the internet had to say.


Individualize the Turtles largely via their personalities, please. I kind of prefer them looking a little different from each other and having their own style, but keep it uncluttered. If they're still in pants, fine, but keep the rest to necessities. They don't need to be taking unnecessary junk with them when they're 'on the job.' Use it or lose it leave it home.



And please... no blue door. Do not do to them what that script did in the end or disconnected them from being fellow Earthlings.

The problem with this is that "new writer" is meaningless. This isn't going to be allowed to be some passion project for someone with something to say... it is the Viacom machine wanting another Turtle movie product to justify their investment and the biggest chance of return.

[TigerClaw]

I would like to see the return of Bebop and Rocksteady. Some new villains like the Purple Dragons. Maybe introduce Agent Bishop as the villain. Some more mutants. Maybe Leatherhead?

[Powder]

We've had this thread 1000 times but alrighty.

Film 1:

-Ninja Assassin meets TMNT, in that it's purely martial arts goodness, flashing back & forth between the past/present & JP/NY, with The Foot Clan being the primary focus.

-We get a nice chunk of Saki/Yoshi's origins, but not much of the turtles'. I think it'd be far more interesting to get background on Saki/Yoshi as opposed to an April O'neil side story. There can be a quick oozed in the sewer overview at the very start if need be, but where we're dropped into the story, the turtles already know April/Casey & have been at odds with The Foot Clan for some time now.

-The Foot in the modern day are a Yakuza outfit with ninja mercenary stuff as their primary gig, though they pass themselves off as businessmen or whatever. The streets know what's really going on, though. We see how they operate in two different countries, with Saki as the leader of one (NY) & Karai as the other (JP). Shredder works overseas as he'd been banished from the clan for being too brash & having little to no sense of honor, whereas Karai is old-school.

-Have your various fight scenes, like Saki VS. Yoshi (flashback), TMNT VS. petty thugs (Purple Dragons?), TMNT VS. Foot Clan (several times, each on a different scale), & TMNT VS. Shredder. Throw Casey into one or two of the fights, have April be on the sidelines in some capacity. Keep it New Yorky, have 'em duke it out in the subway, the sewer, alleyways, rooftops, etc. High octane combat. These guys ain't Steven Segal, they're Jackie Chan.

-That said, think Jackie Chan is a good starting point. The stunts, the slapstick, fast moves, using the environment as prop fodder, fun humor that isn't overly idiotic. The tone being in line with his late 80's & early 90's stuff would be ideal. Think Police Story, Rumble In The Bronx, etc. mixed with the original Henson turtles flick.

-Have a scene where at some point Leonardo learns of Karai's existence, & come back to it later. Like, once Shredder is bested, they reach out to her to resolve things. She can absorb or takeover the NY Foot Clan, make sure there are no beefs with resentful members, etc. She'd not be all too much of a friend, necessarily, but she's honorable & doesn't want any BS that doesn't benefit her.

-Personally, I'd like to see a new film series take place in the 80's or early 90's. No smart phones, no internet culture, no PC sh*t, just that grimy punk/hip-hop grit from the days they were created. Folks into the TMNT largely are so due to nostalgia anyway, might as well milk it.

Film 2:

-Baxter Stockman X Mousers X Rat King. You can see where I'm going with this. A war in the sewers between rats & mousers, with the turtles at the center of it all. Splinter is at risk, harmed or kidnapped or whatever, as both Baxter & Rat King alike, now aware of his unique existence, want him for nefarious purposes.

-April gets a gig at Stockman's place for the sake of gaining intel. Casey is mostly there in a Raph buddy capacity, maybe they go off to find Rat King together or something.

-In the end, the turtles defeat & make peace with both enemy factions, as both realize they're better off as allies than opponents. Baxter might turn on 'em at some point (like contacting the EPF to report the turtles' existence), but not Rat King, he's a sewer ally now.

Film 3:

-Space. I don't care how or why, but God, we need a GOTG-styled TMNT flick. Gimmie Triceratons, Battle Nexus, Utroms, Fugitoid, anything. Gotta have it. Tie in Bishop or Leatherhead, sure.

[dragonside]

to throw in something fun....

I'd like something that continues the story from the PD, but actually is set in another universe. Let's say after Krang's failed invasion causes him to explore different universes and with each one he finds... turtles stopping him at every corner....then he decides he wants a crisis on infinite earths.......... Turtles Forever - live action edition. LOL

Unfortunately in this scenario the closest to mirage would be the original movie turtles and they do a cross over to save both dimensions.


The reason I'd like to see this is... the original movie turtles are getting so much love from NECA and exposure due to SDCC. It'd be awesome to use them now.... even though it would have to be a CGI version of them, which I think is okay. I'm sure it'll make them look half decent (i.e. kind of like injustice). If they can get Judith Hoag to be April.. and meet Megan Fox... but like... legit. Wouldn't that be crazy. I'd love a casey meets casey scenario here too because Stephen Arnell meeting Elias Koteas would be sick.

[AquaParade]

“TMNT: Next Gen”

Introducing the offspring of the “O.G” turtles, sporting four brand new mask colors and an online presence as they lurk from the shadows of the sewer AND the internet, in a bid to gain subscribers and positive influence in the war against the tyrannical organization “TheFoot.com” and their mysterious CEO, known only as “Shred-Web”. Join the next gen of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in couch-surfing adventure like you’ve never seen before. And don’t forget the Pizza!”

[Wildcat]

Honestly for a reboot not connected to the others I’d be happy with a simple action adventure movie involving Shredder to start things off.

I know some will hate me for saying this but I do want more Fred Wolf elements. Elements...not tone. They were poorly done in the last 2.

You CAN have a more serious movie with a turtle van and Bebop and Rocksteady. It depends how they’re used. They don’t need to be idiots and a vehicle that’s actually useful can work.

If Batman can drive around in a bat-themed rocket car and still be considered stealthy the turtles can have a shell-themed car.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Honestly for a reboot not connected to the others I’d be happy with a simple action adventure movie involving Shredder to start things off.

I know some will hate me for saying this but I do want more Fred Wolf elements. Elements...not tone. They were poorly done in the last 2.

You CAN have a more serious movie with a turtle van and Bebop and Rocksteady. It depends how they’re used. They don’t need to be idiots and a vehicle that’s actually useful can work.

If Batman can drive around in a bat-themed rocket car and still be considered stealthy the turtles can have a shell-themed car.

The difference is that Batman is well-known figure amongst his city whereas the turtles are creatures operating as ninjas that almost nobody are aware of because of their appearances. Big difference.

[Andrew NDB]

If Batman can drive around in a bat-themed rocket car and still be considered stealthy the turtles can have a shell-themed car.

https://media.giphy.com/media/7smKXtJjCgYfK/giphy.gif

[Wildcat]

Come on guys. You can’t seriously tell me a Turtle van is too outlandish but a rocket car with batwings and get-out-of-any-situation features is perfectly fine.

Just because Batman is known to his city doesn’t matter. He’s still supposed to keep his identity hidden.

For all the public knows humans could be driving the turtle van. I’m not saying purposely reveal themselves. It’d be a way to navigate and protect themselves. It worked in 4kids and Nick ‘12.

[victory_angel]

Since the last film ended with the Turtles being recognized as Heroes who live in the shadows. We keep that, Vernon isn't used in the story anymore. Since he had revealed to the police that he was taking all the credit for the Turtles's defeat of the Shredder from the first movie, he is no longer getting the fame he once had.

So at best is a passing mention that he moved to Chicago or some other city and has been happy ever since. Kraang said he would be back and Shredder has been added to Kraangs collection, so have them come back in a movie or so.

Sachs does return he finds Bebop and Rocksteady but doesn't feel two incredibly strong mutants are enough to take on the Turtles and defeat them. Instead, he has them collect other animals for experimentation. The gruesome twosome goes to the zoo to collect some animals for Sachs all the while grumbling about how they know they could take on the Turtles themselves. The turtles show up to stop them, but the two mutant thugs make off with a jackal, a snapping turtle, and an alligator.

Sach injects mutagen into these creatures which mutate into Rhazar, Slash, and Leatherhead. Their directive is that they are to hunt down the Turtles and destroy them.

Bebop and Rocksteady try to act like leaders to these new mutants. But none of the new mutants are interested in following them or working with them. Rahzar suggests they cause a disturbance to draw the Turtles out of hiding. The Turtles find themselves forced into the open where they are seen by the populous of New York. The battle causes widespread panic among the populous of the city causing anti-mutant sentiment. Police Chief Rebecca Vincent, finds it difficult to quell the public outcry. The only advice she can give the Turtles is to lay low until this all blows over. However, an FBI group lead by Agent John Bishop arrives in the city to round up the mutant scourge in the city.

[neatoman]

Honestly for a reboot not connected to the others I’d be happy with a simple action adventure movie involving Shredder to start things off.

I know some will hate me for saying this but I do want more Fred Wolf elements. Elements...not tone. They were poorly done in the last 2.

You CAN have a more serious movie with a turtle van and Bebop and Rocksteady. It depends how they’re used. They don’t need to be idiots and a vehicle that’s actually useful can work.

If Batman can drive around in a bat-themed rocket car and still be considered stealthy the turtles can have a shell-themed car.

Come on guys. You can’t seriously tell me a Turtle van is too outlandish but a rocket car with batwings and get-out-of-any-situation features is perfectly fine.

Just because Batman is known to his city doesn’t matter. He’s still supposed to keep his identity hidden.

For all the public knows humans could be driving the turtle van. I’m not saying purposely reveal themselves. It’d be a way to navigate and protect themselves. It worked in 4kids and Nick ‘12.

Batman has money, employs countless engineers/scientists, owns several factories and can mask his operations through shell companies. That and he needs to keep up with Superman somehow, he is a member of the most well known superhero group in the world after all.

The Turtles are basically filthy hobos who need to keep their very existance as obscure as possible, otherwise it'll be a permanent stay at Area 51.

Is that a good reason why?

[Wildcat]

Batman has money, employs countless engineers/scientists, owns several factories and can mask his operations through shell companies. That and he needs to keep up with Superman somehow, he is a member of the most well known superhero group in the world after all.

The Turtles are basically filthy hobos who need to keep their very existance as obscure as possible, otherwise it'll be a permanent stay at Area 51.

Is that a good reason why?Just talking about Batman himself, in general. Not the Justice League or the world knowing of superheroes.

The turtles could have a vehicle posing as something else but still turtle/shell themed (like in the 2007 movie but obviously not that direct). I do NOT mean a “TMNT” branded car with a logo.

Casey Jones could even be the primary driver for them in case they’re stopped or questioned.

[Candy Kappa]

I just want a competent movie that gives us a coherent story with some decent martial arts without amateurish camera shaking.

Y'know, a good movie.

[Ljwinter]

Do a legit reboot. New Turtles maybe similar to the look of the Injustice turtles and whole new cast. No need to waste time on origin since most people know how the gist of it. They should just do the City Fall story from the IDW comics. Could definitely get 3 solid movies out of that.

[Andrew NDB]

Come on guys. You can’t seriously tell me a Turtle van is too outlandish but a rocket car with batwings and get-out-of-any-situation features is perfectly fine.

That sounds dangerously close to an invoking of Crisler's Law (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Crisler%27s%20Law).

Just because Batman is known to his city doesn’t matter. He’s still supposed to keep his identity hidden.

Probably because he's a vigilante human with a (prestigious) private identity... and because the Turtles are none of these things.

For all the public knows humans could be driving the turtle van. I’m not saying purposely reveal themselves. It’d be a way to navigate and protect themselves. It worked in 4kids and Nick ‘12.

There is nothing worse than the Turtles adopting branded vehicles. It's like a complete embracing of... "Heyyy, we're a toy franchise for little babies and boy do we loooove it!!"

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Some of these comments are enough to make me weep.

[ProphetofGanja]

We've had this thread 1000 times but alrighty.

Film 1:

-Ninja Assassin meets TMNT, in that it's purely martial arts goodness, flashing back & forth between the past/present & JP/NY, with The Foot Clan being the primary focus.

-We get a nice chunk of Saki/Yoshi's origins, but not much of the turtles'. I think it'd be far more interesting to get background on Saki/Yoshi as opposed to an April O'neil side story. There can be a quick oozed in the sewer overview at the very start if need be, but where we're dropped into the story, the turtles already know April/Casey & have been at odds with The Foot Clan for some time now.

-The Foot in the modern day are a Yakuza outfit with ninja mercenary stuff as their primary gig, though they pass themselves off as businessmen or whatever. The streets know what's really going on, though. We see how they operate in two different countries, with Saki as the leader of one (NY) & Karai as the other (JP). Shredder works overseas as he'd been banished from the clan for being too brash & having little to no sense of honor, whereas Karai is old-school.

-Have your various fight scenes, like Saki VS. Yoshi (flashback), TMNT VS. petty thugs (Purple Dragons?), TMNT VS. Foot Clan (several times, each on a different scale), & TMNT VS. Shredder. Throw Casey into one or two of the fights, have April be on the sidelines in some capacity. Keep it New Yorky, have 'em duke it out in the subway, the sewer, alleyways, rooftops, etc. High octane combat. These guys ain't Steven Segal, they're Jackie Chan.

-That said, think Jackie Chan is a good starting point. The stunts, the slapstick, fast moves, using the environment as prop fodder, fun humor that isn't overly idiotic. The tone being in line with his late 80's & early 90's stuff would be ideal. Think Police Story, Rumble In The Bronx, etc. mixed with the original Henson turtles flick.

-Have a scene where at some point Leonardo learns of Karai's existence, & come back to it later. Like, once Shredder is bested, they reach out to her to resolve things. She can absorb or takeover the NY Foot Clan, make sure there are no beefs with resentful members, etc. She'd not be all too much of a friend, necessarily, but she's honorable & doesn't want any BS that doesn't benefit her.

-Personally, I'd like to see a new film series take place in the 80's or early 90's. No smart phones, no internet culture, no PC sh*t, just that grimy punk/hip-hop grit from the days they were created. Folks into the TMNT largely are so due to nostalgia anyway, might as well milk it.

Film 2:

-Baxter Stockman X Mousers X Rat King. You can see where I'm going with this. A war in the sewers between rats & mousers, with the turtles at the center of it all. Splinter is at risk, harmed or kidnapped or whatever, as both Baxter & Rat King alike, now aware of his unique existence, want him for nefarious purposes.

-April gets a gig at Stockman's place for the sake of gaining intel. Casey is mostly there in a Raph buddy capacity, maybe they go off to find Rat King together or something.

-In the end, the turtles defeat & make peace with both enemy factions, as both realize they're better off as allies than opponents. Baxter might turn on 'em at some point (like contacting the EPF to report the turtles' existence), but not Rat King, he's a sewer ally now.

Film 3:

-Space. I don't care how or why, but God, we need a GOTG-styled TMNT flick. Gimmie Triceratons, Battle Nexus, Utroms, Fugitoid, anything. Gotta have it. Tie in Bishop or Leatherhead, sure.

Yes, everything you just said, Powder, good stuff.

“TMNT: Next Gen”

Introducing the offspring of the “O.G” turtles, sporting four brand new mask colors and an online presence as they lurk from the shadows of the sewer AND the internet, in a bid to gain subscribers and positive influence in the war against the tyrannical organization “TheFoot.com” and their mysterious CEO, known only as “Shred-Web”. Join the next gen of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in couch-surfing adventure like you’ve never seen before. And don’t forget the Pizza!”

Ya know, that sounds exactly like one of those "so crazy, it just might work" type of scenarios. I'd at least read a comic miniseries with this premise, it would be more doable than a movie initially

Batman has money, employs countless engineers/scientists, owns several factories and can mask his operations through shell companies. That and he needs to keep up with Superman somehow, he is a member of the most well known superhero group in the world after all.

The Turtles are basically filthy hobos who need to keep their very existance as obscure as possible, otherwise it'll be a permanent stay at Area 51.

Is that a good reason why?

That's the best way the differences between Batman and the TMNT have ever been stated, I think we should be able to lay that argument to rest for good now

I just want a competent movie that gives us a coherent story with some decent martial arts without amateurish camera shaking.

Y'know, a good movie.

You're asking too much, man, you know we can't have nice things!

Some of these comments are enough to make me weep.

Some tears of laughter, some tears of sorrow. Sounds about right for this site

[IndigoErth]

Also needed: Most screen time devoted to the Turtles.

OotS did better, but there are still human sidekick segments that get far too long after you've seen it a couple of times. Last time I watched that one I found myself fast forwarding though most of those parts just as I do with 2014. (e.g. April and Casey held in the police station, "The Falcon" in his apartment and then trying to find that flash drive in an unnecessarily long scene, and Casey vs B&R toward the end.) Not that they can't have any screen time sans Turtles, but leave it to like a minute or so before we get back to the Turtles, not 5+ or what feels like it.

[Candy Kappa]

You're asking too much, man, you know we can't have nice things!

I'll never stop dreaming

[Galactus]

The main things I would like them to do is learn from the lessons of the previous two.

Firstly that making the Fred Wolf show the primary source of inspiration is not the silver bullet for commercial success.

Secondly the idea that the concept of TMNT being inherently ridiculous means they should own it and really lean into it needs to die. The general audience has had thirty years to acclimate to the concept of TMNT that they don't stand out as ridiculous compared to other comic book properties as they once did not to mention while a lot of their initial success I believe is down to the bizarre concept that stood out they are no longer the strangest things in the room when movies about a talking tree and raccoon are huge billion dollar hits. Next to them the turtles seem pretty straightforward.

Do a legit reboot. New Turtles maybe similar to the look of the Injustice turtles and whole new cast. No need to waste time on origin since most people know how the gist of it. They should just do the City Fall story from the IDW comics. Could definitely get 3 solid movies out of that.

While I stand by my belief that TMNT isn't all that much stranger than most comic book properties there is elements of the story that come across as a little screwy to uninitiated that need to be explained and fleshed out. I think both Platinum Dunes prove that short handing elements of the story and characters expecting people to get and care anout them is not reliable.

While the general audience knows the basics of TMNT I don't think the properly know the origin and several variations on it have muddied the waters somewhat. Some very basic things need to laid down; Like is Splinter Hamato Yoshi's pet turned manlike or is he Hamato Yoshi himself turned ratlike. It may not seem important since he's characterized the same either way but it does fundamentally alter his interactions with the Shredder.

I know I'm in a lonely club of one with this one but I'm not sure basing this on IDW is the best idea. There's certainly much worse ideas don't get me wrong and the series almost seems to be written with Hollywood in mind but there's something kinda convoluted and fanboy kewlish about their origins there that the success of the current comic book movies seem to repudiate.

Like the turtles and Splinter are reincarnations of an ancient Japanese warrior and his four sons and they are part of an alien conspiracy super soldier plan. The former is okay and I like that it gives the turtles a mother figure in Tang Shen but both seems a lot to throw at an audience.

Also if we're talking City War why not do the original City At War on which it's based.

[Autbot_Benz]

What I want is Casey ****ing Jones being a badass vigilante with anger issues. Not whiny cop terrible acting Stephen Amell. Also not being scared the first time he sees the turtles like Amell was.

[IndigoErth]

Only good part in that was the Turtles being equally unimpressed and making fun of him for us. :tlol:

[ranger_scout]

If I were the casting directors, here's who I'd want to play the turtles:


Ansel Elgort as Leonardo
Alden Ehrenreich as Raphael
Jeremy Shada as Michelangelo
Logan Lerman as Donatello

[Wildcat]

That sounds dangerously close to an invoking of Crisler's Law (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Crisler%27s%20Law).



Probably because he's a vigilante human with a (prestigious) private identity... and because the Turtles are none of these things.



There is nothing worse than the Turtles adopting branded vehicles. It's like a complete embracing of... "Heyyy, we're a toy franchise for little babies and boy do we loooove it!!"I guess you didn’t read my last post on page 1. I’m NOT taking about giving them a branded TMNT car.

I meant something turtle/shell related that’s pretending to be a legitimate public vehicle. Casey Jones could be the driver. I know my comments on Batman made it seem otherwise.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I meant something turtle/shell related that’s pretending to be a legitimate public vehicle. Casey Jones could be the driver.

You might need to elaborate more or give an example. You mean like the Shell Cycle, the Turtle Taxi, or what?

The main things I would like them to do is learn from the lessons of the previous two.

Firstly that making the Fred Wolf show the primary source of inspiration is not the silver bullet for commercial success.

Secondly the idea that the concept of TMNT being inherently ridiculous means they should own it and really lean into it needs to die. The general audience has had thirty years to acclimate to the concept of TMNT that they don't stand out as ridiculous compared to other comic book properties as they once did not to mention while a lot of their initial success I believe is down to the bizarre concept that stood out they are no longer the strangest things in the room when movies about a talking tree and raccoon are huge billion dollar hits. Next to them the turtles seem pretty straightforward.



While I stand by my belief that TMNT isn't all that much stranger than most comic book properties there is elements of the story that come across as a little screwy to uninitiated that need to be explained and fleshed out. I think both Platinum Dunes prove that short handing elements of the story and characters expecting people to get and care anout them is not reliable.

While the general audience knows the basics of TMNT I don't think the properly know the origin and several variations on it have muddied the waters somewhat. Some very basic things need to laid down; Like is Splinter Hamato Yoshi's pet turned manlike or is he Hamato Yoshi himself turned ratlike. It may not seem important since he's characterized the same either way but it does fundamentally alter his interactions with the Shredder.

I know I'm in a lonely club of one with this one but I'm not sure basing this on IDW is the best idea. There's certainly much worse ideas don't get me wrong and the series almost seems to be written with Hollywood in mind but there's something kinda convoluted and fanboy kewlish about their origins there that the success of the current comic book movies seem to repudiate.

Like the turtles and Splinter are reincarnations of an ancient Japanese warrior and his four sons and they are part of an alien conspiracy super soldier plan. The former is okay and I like that it gives the turtles a mother figure in Tang Shen but both seems a lot to throw at an audience.

Also if we're talking City War why not do the original City At War on which it's based.

Completely agree. IDW is fine but there are quite a few aspects from the continuity that doesn't sit right with me with. (the origin, numerous canon immigrants for one thing).

[Andrew NDB]

If I were the casting directors, here's who I'd want to play the turtles:

Here's who I'd want, both for in the suits/mo-cap and the voices:

* Don't care.
* Doesn't matter.
* Could be anybody.
* Hopefully 5'2" - 5'4" people.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Here's who I'd want, both for in the suits/mo-cap and the voices:

* Don't care.
* Doesn't matter.
* Could be anybody.
* Hopefully 5'2" - 5'4" people.

I want to see a filmmaker use the same techniques from The Hobbit trilogy... film the four Turtle actors by themselves, then merge them in with the rest of the people. Then you don't have to worry about the actors' height, you just make the Turtles come out at 4' or 5' tall in post.

It worked for Bilbo and Gollum.

[Andrew NDB]

I want to see a filmmaker use the same techniques from The Hobbit trilogy... film the four Turtle actors by themselves, then merge them in with the rest of the people. Then you don't have to worry about the actors' height, you just make the Turtles come out at 4' or 5' tall in post.

It worked for Bilbo and Gollum.

Yeah. It's not really an issue on the back end.

[MikeandRaph87]

It needs The Shredder. I don't want to see a made for movie villain. It automatically lessens the movie. A part of the film is "who is the villain going to be?". A cowardly warlord and a arrogant British arms dealer then an immortal with a wrapped vision who reforms.? No thanks!

Perhaps Rat King incorporated one way or anther.

Designs similar to the first three films for the TMNT.


Find a way of incorporating the black and white comics and the 1987 cartoon in ways that make sense. The original film did that. The second did as well to a lesser extent.

[AquaParade]

Right now, I'm really hoping someone gets a good sit down interview with Kevin Eastman soon.
Once again, I know he has no control over how the upcoming film turns out, but I bet he's heard more than we have about it.
And sure, his word isn't always the most reliable when it comes to TMNT - he's a big supporter of anyone trying to honor his creation - but you can see some disappointment in his face when people bring up the recent Platinum Dunes films, so I'd like to hear his take on whatever may be coming next.

[Andrew NDB]

Right now, I'm really hoping someone gets a good sit down interview with Kevin Eastman soon.
Once again, I know he has no control over how the upcoming film turns out, but I bet he's heard more than we have about it.
And sure, his word isn't always the most reliable when it comes to TMNT - he's a big supporter of anyone trying to honor his creation - but you can see some disappointment in his face when people bring up the recent Platinum Dunes films

That's surprising. Kevin Eastman has gone on the record and said the PD movies possess "the darker edge of the comic books."

http://www.thenational.ae/blogs/scene-heard/back-to-the-drawing-board-for-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-creator-kevin-eastman

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I would like to see:

1. The film continue the story of the first two films rather than be a reboot

2. Bebop, Rocksteady, Krang and Baxter all making a re-appearance.

3. A time travel story to Ancient Japan.

4. The introduction of Hamato Yoshi and the history of the Foot Clan into the lore.

5. Slighty tweaked turtle designs so they are less hulk looking.

6. Not having too many characters. B , R and Krang are ok in my opinion, but Karai, Vernon and Casey weren't needed as much in OOTS so I don't expect to see them again.

7. Less Potty and sexual humour and more OT humour, namely some Shredder-Krang interactions, puns, fourth wall breaks, B and R goofing up etc.

8. Possibly an inside look into Dimension X, might be difficult if the third is a time travel story and might have to be one or the other, but maybe both could work somehow.

[AquaParade]

That's surprising. Kevin Eastman has gone on the record and said the PD movies possess "the darker edge of the comic books."

http://www.thenational.ae/blogs/scene-heard/back-to-the-drawing-board-for-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-creator-kevin-eastman

Yeah, you're right, but that was three years ago. Take a look at my quote from the other thread, if you get a chance. He's definitely backed the PD films in the past, but I think he's seen the reaction over time and it may have colored his perception a bit. In the second link, Kevin is asked by a child if he enjoys the new PD films, which he essentially avoids answering, giving only the slightest nod to the second film, in favor of saying what he'd like to see next.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz0dP_7DB84

Wow. Just the other day, Kevin mentioned that early in the production of the 2014 film, they had talks with Henson about going back to the suits. Very interesting. To hear, go about six minutes in.

It's hard to understand, but it almost seems like he implies that suits, or at least a strong focus on family "with an edge" could be a path for the future. It's possible Kevin knows something we don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKRu508pdIM

Here's another recent video. A child interviewing Kevin asks if he enjoys the new tmnt movies. Pretty funny. Kevin responds that if they were to do a new one, he'd like it to be animated but more like the old movies and/or comics. Very interesting. We know Kevin isn't in control of these films, but given that he was consulted early on in the 2014 film, as evidenced by him mentioning they spoke to Brian Henson, in the previous video I posted, it's very possible he's alluding to some of the discussions going on behind the scenes, in both videos.

If so (and it's a big "if"), it appears the studio is searching for a way get some of that "edge" back, but still bring the whole family to the theater.

[IndigoErth]

fourth wall breaks
I don't want them going too far with the FW stuff, as it could end up looking forced and inauthentic if they're trying too hard, but I'd be all over that if it was one (or more) of the Turtles actually commenting something to viewers. Or at the very least, a slightly frustrated Leo, dealing with brothers who ran off without listening to him, just looks at the camera for a second, shaking his head. :D

[LeotheLateBloomer]

The film continue the story of the first two films rather than be a reboot.
It definitely will be a reboot. And it's for the best, honestly. TMNT deserves better.

Here's what I'd like to see in a TMNT film:

1. To treat the turtles as characters
2. A tone similar to the Mirage comics.
3. Add Nagi in it.
4. The turtles wearing all red masks (I know that's a stretch but still).
5. None, if not, very little FW influences.
6. No influences from the PD films.
7. Mike's artistic side.

[IndigoErth]

I'm not even gonna go as far as to assume anything at this point in what they personally mean by reboot. Not until we have more direct information. We know too little.

Given the feelings from fans PD managed to generate from the last two, it would no doubt be foolish of them to stick with anything they already have.... But this is PD we're talking about.

After OotS, I want PD Leo back and I'm sad that's probably it for him (can he just get his own film one-shot instead? :trazz:) but I know it's probably not wise for them to do anything other than a total reboot.

But again, this is PD... it could be anything from a legit total reboot to a restructuring of their version. Not every source is even sure it's a true reboot so that info is still kind of cloudy. Too risky to get hopes up and assume too much yet.



If they do still go with some of what they have, such as the Turtle designs but choose to tone them down or something... they better be very pubic and open about it. Going the route of some companies, in the sense of admitting "we messed up," would prob be wise in that case if they want to win back interest.

[Candy Kappa]

I hope they don't do "Hot rising Actor A is Raphael", it just didn't feel right in the PD movies. And giving the Turtles the actor likeness was weird, had it been suits like in Hellboy it'd feel less awkward.

One of the things I really like about the '90 movie is that the Turtles was the Turtles, if you was really keen to know you'd find out who wore the suit and who voiced them but generally there wasn't a lot Actor 1 is Leonardo.

[CyberCubed]

No noses or nostrils of any kind.

[TigerClaw]

I hope they don't do "Hot rising Actor A is Raphael", it just didn't feel right in the PD movies. And giving the Turtles the actor likeness was weird, had it been suits like in Hellboy it'd feel less awkward.

One of the things I really like about the '90 movie is that the Turtles was the Turtles, if you was really keen to know you'd find out who wore the suit and who voiced them but generally there wasn't a lot Actor 1 is Leonardo.
Also Donnie doesn't need those glasses. To give the appearance that he's a nerd.

[Andrew NDB]

The trilogy I'd want to see:

Movie #1: Begin with Splinter telling a story. In Feudal Japan, the Foot Clan doing their thing, assassinating people for hire, quick cuts over the centuries. Establish the Shredder as a mantle that is held and feared. Closer to the present, the Hamato Yoshi/Tang Shen/Oroku Nagi incident. Yoshi kills Nagi, Shen and Yoshi have to go into exile in the US (meanwhile, quick cuts of a rage-filled Oroku Saki training, vowing revenge). Yoshi returns home one day in the US to find Shen's body carved up, then gets stabbed by Oroku Saki, but is otherwise allowed to leave. Stumbling out, he finds his pet rat scurrying about. He picks it up and stumbles into the street for help, dying... but as he sees a boy with 4 turtles in a bowl about to get hit by a truck, he lunges forward with what is left of his ninja reflexes, shoving the boy aside while the truck smashes into him (the bowl is dropped, shatters near a storm drain). A container bounces out of the truck and smashes near the turtles on the ground, also splashing the rat Yoshi still clutches in his hand. The turtles scurry into the storm drain, and the confused rat does the same (the idea being, some of Yoshi's consciousness is transferred to the rat). Quick shots of the Turtles growing up and their ninja training regimen (think, Bruce with Ra's in Batman Begins), Splinter beating the crap out of them if they seem soft. They have to earn their bandannas, and each one gets a different color (blue, red, orange, purple). Rein it all back in with Splinter's story coming back to the present, with the Turtles being raised to one day kill Oroku Saki and avenge Hamato Yoshi and Tang Shen. Play to the circle of vengeance theme. Different scenes at different times: * Raphael meeting Casey. * April O'Neil being rescued by the Turtles. * Glimpses of Utroms in disguise, masquerading as people. Glimpses of Saki, running his criminal empire in New York (maybe also being annoyed at having to report to Karai in Japan). Baxter Stockman is shown to be in his employ, and a warehouse full of mousers can be teased. Splinter warns the Turtles that they're not ready, but the Turtles get cocky and issue their challenge to Saki, who accepts. Rooftop duel, but the Turtles get their asses kicked by a gauntlet of Foot, Shredder Elite, and Shredder himself who slices and pounds Leonardo into a coma. With the aid of April and Casey, they go and retreat to Northampton. Regathering their resolve after a spiritual journey on behalf of Splinter (perhaps a conversation with the Great Turtle, over a campfire), they return to New York and invade Shredder's Hudson Block complex. From here, pretty much exactly like "Return to New York," except Casey is along for the ride and Saki isn't a worm clone. The Turtles are cut to ribbons and Leonardo fails in his (sword) duel with Oroku Saki (who takes off his armor to fight mano-e-mano). He is nearly killed by Shredder's blade when Raphael dives in, grabs Leo's sword to block Shredder's blow, stabs him in the gut with a sai and beheads him with Leo's katana. Hudson Block is turned to rubble, the body is burned (with Splinter in attendance) and the circle of vengeance is complete... for now. You knew it was coming: at the end, the other Turtles, impressed with Raphael's tenacity in the face of certain death, lose their other bandanna colors and all adopt red.

Movie #2: Kind of starts out like the end of Mirage Vol. 1 and the beginning of Vol. 2, with the Turtles and Splinter becoming a bit lost. They've accomplished their sole mission in life... Saki is dead, the Foot Clan apparently in shambles. Now what? Donatello and Splinter retreat to the farmhouse in Northampton with April and Casey, while the other Turtles try to find some normalcy in their lives. Several over-arcing storylines here: 1) Stockman, who with Saki gone is out of a job, takes to robbing banks with his mousers. At one point the mousers tunnel through the Turtles' lair and they become involved. Eventually Baxter is brought down by the remaining Turtles and Casey. 2) On a nature walk into the mountains Splinter falls and breaks his leg and meets the Rat King, who teaches him in the ways of the rat, life, and the soul. Perhaps even connecting better with the parts of his psyche that are carryovers from Yoshi. Eventually he is hungry enough that he eats a rat to survive and grow stronger. We realize that the Rat King isn't real, or at least isn't a physical being, and is perhaps even an alternate persona of Splinter's. 3) Donatello is spoken to directly by the Great Turtle (who they spoke to briefly in the last movie), who encharges him as his Shaman for what he says is a coming apocalypse brought about by the Adversary, an ancient being who wiped out the reptiles of old. He seeks out the place where the Adversary was said to rise again... but he realizes he is too late, and the Adversary has already been awakened. Then, all over New York, millions upon millions of rats turn on people, devouring them and bringing down whole buildings. The Turtles make a deal with Stockman: use your mousers for good and we'll let you off. So the Turtles, Casey and thousands of mousers tear into the horde of rats, trying to find their source: the Brooklyn Bridge (or some big NY landmark), where upon the Adversary (basically a giant monstrous rat) has built a temple. They could connect with Leatherhead at that point in the sewers, who was besieged by the rats as well, and we could get his story about being experimented on by the Utroms and all of that. At a critical moment, Donatello and Splinter arrive, who then lead the charge to the temple. A long battle (during which the Adversary supernaturally forces the Turtles to face their own self doubts and worst fears) but Donatello, in full Shaman mode, manages to take down the Adversary, Leonardo hacking him up and Leatherhead eating what's left. Splinter learns to control rats to some degree with the help of the Rat King (who he often sees next to him and speaks to, but nobody can see him but Splinter) and puts at peace the horde. Bloody mess, and at the end we see Karai arrive in New York, witnessing the rubble left by the rat invasion and witnessing various Foot factions warring with one another. Something alluded to about now being "the perfect time" to pick up the broken pieces of the NY Foot by Saki. End with Raphael watching the Foot Clan civil war unfold on the TV news, then holding the helmet of Shredder, which he's kept as a keepsake since his death.

(con't)

[Andrew NDB]

Movie #3: A loose adaptation of "City at War." As New York rebuilds from the rat invasion and the Foot Clan wages war within itself, Karai runs afoul of one Shredder Elite in particular, Kenshin, who was Saki's #1. Karai's daughter is murdered during an attempt to rein in his particular faction by simply attempting to muscle them. Simultaneously, unbeknownst to his brothers (sort of like the Nightwatcher thing in TMNT 2007, but not), Raphael has adopted the helmet and mantle of the Shredder and manages to bring a good number of Foot to accept his claim, as he was the one that killed Saki. When they realize, his brothers try to get him to knock it off, but he's not having it. Meanwhile, looking for vengeance, Kenshin breaks into the Turtles lair and murders Splinter. The Turtles return with April and Casey to find the body. They have a big funeral over the Hudson, Leatherhead attending and Raphael joining at the last minute in his Shredder armor, the helmet of which he only grudgingly removes. The Turtles swear vengeance and Raphael swears it as well, in his own way. Karai appears then, offering the Turtles her deal: help her exterminate the Shredder Elite foot and Kenshin, and the long circle of vengeance with the Turtles will become that of a permanent truce. Raphael poopoos it, storming off. The remaining Turtles agree. First training hard to get into peak conditioning, the Turtles (sans Raph) drop their red bandannas and adopt all black ones. Then we see a sequence of events where the Turtles, April, Casey, Karai, and even Leatherhead (as the muscle) systematically take out the Shredder Elite and their factions of loyalists. A battle royale ensues in the rubble of Hudson Block. The Shredder Elite manage to bring down a building on Leatherhead, taking him out of the game. The Turtles manage to route most of the Foot, but are otherwise unable to contain most of them. It is then that Karai arrives, in full Shredder regalia, the original armor from Feudal Japan and makes a formal claim to the mantle of the Shredder, that Kenshin and his Shredder Elite must pass their vow of loyalty onto her. It is then that Raphael arrives, who makes the same claim... but that he is owed it not by blood or by family, but by virtue of having bested their leader. Kenshin says they must fight it out. So it's Karai's Lady Shredder vs. Raphael Shredder. Raphael gets the upper hand. Kenshin agrees to accept Raphael's claim to the mantle of the Shredder. As his brothers look on in horror, Raphael is adorned with the cloak of Oroku Saki. As Kenshin kneels before him, Raphael raises a gauntlet and spikes him in the skull, kicking the body down. "That's for my father, sh*thead," or something similar. The Turtles and Karai then dispatch the remaining Foot and Shredder Elite. When it comes to the very last Shredder Elite, rather than fight, the Shredder Elite commits seppuku, proclaiming the blood feud will be "never over." Raphael was always on the Turtles' side, he was just wanting to get close to Kenshin. So that's that, Karai honors her part of the deal and there is a truce with the Turtles... now the circle of blood vengeance is truly over. At the end, Leatherhead is helped out of the rubble. Maybe the people helping him could be Utroms, who reveal themselves to him and that they have been looking for him for years. For a stinger/teaser (I'd put it as a mid or after-the-end credits, let the main movie end organically), when the Turtles are finally allowed to relax, BOOM, they're all transported away in a Trasmat beam, and find themselves in the middle of a Triceraton arena, ala the end of Evil Dead 2.

If it got a fourth movie, movie 4 would be the big space odyssey adventure on the Triceraton worlds, D'hoonib, and get into the Utroms. Maybe it could end with their big reveal to the world, after helping the Turtles get back to Earth. Movie 5, big time travel romp with Renet. Movie 6, probably people are going to want to ground things again, so some kind of urban, gritty fare again... maybe my old idea for a Chinese triad coming to New York, muscling up on the Foot. Maybe, to combat this, the Foot resurrect Oroku Saki with worms.

[IndigoErth]

Holy text wall, Batman. But decent suggestions.

No noses or nostrils of any kind.
Now they'll probably go back to the alien idea and give them double sets of nostrils. Big cow-like ones too.




Agree with doing away with Donnie having glasses. While as a fellow wearer I appreciate the idea, I don't however appreciate it as a stereotype. They're also an obvious problem in a fight. If one of them needs glasses enough to require them in battle then surely Donnie is enough of a wiz that he can figure out how to create a pair of contacts.

If any of them wear glasses, it would be cuter if it's just reading glasses and seen only at home. And preferably one of the other three so it's less stereotypically expected.

[Shark_Blade]

Imagine Leo wearing glasses as he read through ancient martial art scrolls in his study...

*long sigh* Wow that’s so adorable. :tlol:

[wpugh2424]

Pretty gnarly dude
Like the movie pitches

[Wildcat]

You might need to elaborate more or give an example. You mean like the Shell Cycle, the Turtle Taxi, or what?A van or a truck that looks like a normal company car for a turtle themed company. For example the moving truck Tortuga Bros.

Or a vehicle that Don builds from parts that he gives a shell paint job to for the fun of it.

Before anyone says anything I did NOT say brand it with the words “Ninja Turtles”. It would be something like a customized car. People do that in real life. I said Casey Jones could be their driver.

Edit: Oh I just thought it could be Casey Jones’ car that Don upgrades. Van or truck/suv.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

3. A time travel story to Ancient Japan.

Why are the turtles so much better at visiting Feudal Japan than Japan of today?

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Why are the turtles so much better at visiting Feudal Japan than Japan of today?

Because Feudal Japan has more ninjas but Modern Japan can work too (like in Tale of the Yokai)

[IndigoErth]

Might also be safer... Ancient Japan is probably also more likely to see them as Kappa and run away, vs 21st century people trying to capture them and harm them.

Though I'd personally rather they visit modern day Japan instead.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The story origins in Japan, so I think the turtles and Splinter should have more interests of visiting modern Japan for a longer time and enjoy its culture (sumo wrestling, karatade and judo, table tennis, videogames or whatever). The Archieverse did it great, and I really liked Tai San.

[IndigoErth]

Especially if we're dealing with a Splinter who was human, it would make that much more sense that he would want to someday show the Turtles where he came from and the area where he grew up.

And I'm not sure anything has ever touched on the fact that he could very likely still have remaining extended family there. Were it possible for him to have some kind of correspondence with them over the years and slowly break the news that he was mutated and has these four rather unusual sons... heck, it would be pretty cool to see them be able to visit that remaining family in Japan. Esp seeing the Turtles maybe getting to meet a few adoptive cousins, aunts, and uncles.

If there was a cousin around their age it could be a cool way to bring in a new character, after he/she visits or moves to NYC. Though that might make for better cartoon series material.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Especially if we're dealing with a Splinter who was human, it would make that much more sense that he would want to someday show the Turtles where he came from and the area where he grew up.

And I'm not sure anything has ever touched on the fact that he could very likely still have remaining extended family there. Were it possible for him to have some kind of correspondence with them over the years and slowly break the news that he was mutated and has these four rather unusual sons... heck, it would be pretty cool to see them be able to visit that remaining family in Japan. Esp seeing the Turtles maybe getting to meet a few adoptive cousins, aunts, and uncles.

If there was a cousin around their age it could be a cool way to bring in a new character, after he/she visits or moves to NYC. Though that might make for better cartoon series material.


There was a fic- think it was by a former Dromer- where that happened, except it was Mikey (Nick tmnt) who wrote to Yoshi's mother to try to meet her and explain what had happened to Yoshi. I seem to recall that it did not go well, as she thought he was trying to scam her using her "dead" son's name.

[DarkFell]

First off - whoever typed in Seppuku for a tag, thank you so much for making me laugh. :lol:

I didn't really care enough to see either of the last two BayTurtle movies, and, I have no real desire to see this third movie should it actually get made. (I doubt that either CinemaSins or RiffTrax reviews are the same as actually watching either of the last two movies. However, they are entertaining nonetheless.)

[victory_angel]

I was listening to a video by the Old Turtle Den, where he is discussing some ideas of what he felt should be in a TMNT reboot.

The first suggestion is letting the turtles all have red masks because this would be a homage to the original comic book where they all had red masks. And then at some point in the narrative, Raph slams down a blue mask, purple mask, and orange mask on a table and tells his brothers to put them on. Because maybe there is a short gag where each of the Turtles is mistaken for one another, so Raph just tosses some alternate colored masks to his brothers and says put them on so that can help tell them apart.

I remember in Andre's interview with Minae Noji that there was one scene cut out of the 2014 movie where Splinter is holding Donnie's mask and comparing it to a purple orchid. I will need to see that interview again to see about full context. But it does sound like their may have been color symbolism involved.

Each color does have meanings, and they apply to the character of the turtle it's given to. For example, Donnie and Leo are given cool colored masks because they are the calm turtles, they are the ones who are stepping back and plan out the situation, mediate the problems.


But their shades can also vary as well such as Leo's mask color depending on the version can be dark blue to medium blue to turquoise.

While Donnie's mask ranges from dark purple, blue-violet, red-violet, and just regular purple. Such as in the 2012 version in Donnie's character concept there was a notation saying that Donnie's mask was purple because he was a blend of both of his older brothers. I.E. Calm and collected like Leo but will burst into fits of unbridled rage like Raph.

Both blue and purple are associated with wisdom, compassion, and nobility

Raph and Mikey are the more active members. The ones who are more likely to jump into a situation and make things up as they go along which is why they are assigned warmer colors.

Raph is always red because he is the angry one, but he is also the protector of the group. Red is a color symbolizing passion, strength, and aggression.

Mikey is they hyperactive one so he is orange which is a color associated with enthusiasm and creativity.

[AquaParade]

I can do without the masks essentially serving as a mood ring. There’s no good explanation, so don’t give one, is how I currently feel about it.

I’d really like to see red masks being the standard, with other details to help the audience. Mikey sporting an orange jacket/vest, Ralph ditching the mask altogether, Leo with blue, we can assume as some sort of honor given by Mastef Splinter, etc

That’s probably asking too much, and I’m not completely against the different colors coming into play. I just wouldn’t worry too much about how or why.

[IndigoErth]

The colors easily go along with their personalities, but imo I think it's best left to giving fans something to think over rather than just making it set in stone or wasting precious screen time of a film trying to explain it.

I prefer the separate colors because it does suit them and would rather they mainly stick with that, though I still think the use of all red masks in certain battles could be used as a cunning trick, causing a bit of confusion for an enemy (largely those who aren't yet familiar with the Turtles), throwing them a bit off balance, not knowing how many of them there really are in the heat of a crazy fight. A film could certainly do that to touch on Mirage without having to waste time trying to explain it.

[newfan]

I'm happy assuming the mask colours are just their preferences.

[neatoman]

Alright, so how about this? Combine issues 1, 2 and the Return to NYC arc with Baxter's arc in volume 2. Remove Zog and replace the Foot Clan's defences with Cyber Stockman and some MOUSERS.

Here's the rundown:

Establish Baxter and Shredder as Partners in Crime.
Give us the backstory regarding Yoshi, Shredder and the Turtles.
Have them break into Stockman's Lab and save April.
April gives them info on how to take them down.
Battle to the top and a final showdown with Shredder and Baxter.


Keeps the action going.

[Metalwolf]

How do you make tags?

Anyway, I think if they did do a reboot, I'd like it if they made it be a bit more 'serious.' Less goofy, no pizza puns, and try to keep the Fred Wolfisms to a minimum.

If they do have Bebop and Rocksteady, I really hope they make them intimidating bad guys, not idiots, because smart bruisers sound like they would put up a better fight then morons played for 'the laughs.' Plus, the Turtles will beat them hard eventually (and to make it serious) maybe the Shredder should threaten to kill them if they fail too much, and actually follow through with his threat. That would make him look hardcore legit evil, so the audience takes him seriously and not as just some crazy ninja guy wearing spiked metal on his body. He will need 'replacement' mutants but ones far more tougher and dangerous, so do some horrific experiments on one or two of his 'loyal' henchmen to create super mutants?

I'm just spitballing with the mutants, but they do need to diversify them beyond just always showing Bebop and Rocksteady. They are a bit... overdone, and we have others in canon now for directors to take inspiration from. At least adding new mutants (or super mutants) escalates things, and gives us something new to see.

And finally, they need to add back the ninja fighting and the urban grittiness, and New York at night and in the shadows. It's been missing lately, and it would help with the 'serious movie' feel.

[neatoman]

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[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Especially if we're dealing with a Splinter who was human, it would make that much more sense that he would want to someday show the Turtles where he came from and the area where he grew up.



I would like to see the more of turtles in some modern-day Japan environment (like a car of a Shinkansen high speed-train rushing across the railway tracks, or Tokyo skyscrapers swaying during an Earthquake). But necessarily in a film, it could be a cartoon episode or comic issue.

[IndigoErth]

Something I'd thought of the other day came back to mind and figured I'd put it out there...

If - and that's a BIG IF - they ended up deciding to bring back the actors and use the same existing Turtle character models again - because lets face it, they still have a TON of time to decide down the road what any part of this is even going to look like and what version they're going with - they need to be wise and promote the hell out of it.

And I don't mean just slapping them on product labels, toys, and showing us lots of clips, trailers, and sneak peeks. That's the laziest option possible and it doesn't make people connect to it/them. And don't just rely on trying to do "new" things to old material or adding characters just to try to draw interest.

Maybe I'm not in 'the biz,' but it's damn well obvious that if they use the same designs then they have GOT to focus on drawing people back in. Have to give people a reason to CONNECT with them and love these guys. Maybe some people never will because they aren't pretty enough for them, the same producers are involved, or because pants. (I mean... Nick Leo can change personality and turn into an asshat for a series that could run for years, but god forbid the guy wear a pair of pants for 90 - 120 minutes.) But plenty could still be drawn to these guys if given REASON to like them.

Do additional fun stuff to promote it. In particular, record/create "fourth wall breaking" things with the Turtles.

One thing I thought of initially with this is how cool would it be to do the usual old clips of actors sitting and talking about the film and their individual characters... but use some old basic 'movie magic' and have the Turtle actors record this twice - once as themselves, and again as the Turtle they play. Then mesh it together so that you then have both actor and his respective Turtle seated beside each other, both discussing the film together and to the audience. Things like this would be a lot of fun (prob for both the viewers and the actors alike) and help people connect with the characters because it humanizes them a bit, so to speak, and tears that fourth wall down. (If it costs money, so what... You want reason to get more of it, don't you?)

[Wildcat]

I’d be surprised if they used the same designs/continuity. The designs never bothered me but they’re associated with 2 so-so movies. I don’t think any retooling will make those against them like them. Oots would have been the time.

Even if a new movie was better written and promoted just seeing them will make people assume we’re getting more of the same. It’s best to start over with new designs and storyline.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, and is why I said it's a big IF, and you're right of course, but I figure, it's Platinum Dunes... I wouldn't put it past them. Reboot or not.

Not until we have a direct, more detailed statement from PD themselves; rather than just one batch of limited articles, many of which aren't even sure if it's a full reboot, or a soft reboot.

I don't think this set is without the ability to be redeemed, and at this point I want that for them, but would take a miracle these producers probably wouldn't bother putting the right effort into pulling off. (Let alone have the smarts to.) :ohwell:

[CelticCat]

As long as the movie isn’t anything based off the new crap fest Rise Of The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles then I’ll be fine!

[IndigoErth]

Can you imagine? I think 80% of the fanbase would have a stroke (or at least be terribly let down) if everyone eagerly and nervously waited for months to find out what this is really going to be...only to have it be "Rise" à la the new Teen Titans Go movie. I wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry.

Fortunately the timing is way off for this one anyhow and I imagine that wouldn't be handled by PD.

[Powder]

As long as the movie isn’t anything based off the new crap fest Rise Of The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles then I’ll be fine!

I love how every time there's something new, users who joined but never posted come around just to take a crap on it. :roll:

[Wildcat]

I love how every time there's something new, users who joined but never posted come around just to take a crap on it. :roll:Yes it’s obvious when someone posts just to get a “Rise” out of people (pun intended). Seriously though it’s very obvious. I never respond to them because it’s not a legitimate post. I’m only acknowledging this because you guys did.

However a Rise style live action movie would be freaking awesome.

[newfan]

I hope they stick to PG13 like the Superhero movies and not make it too young. Just my personal preference.
Could we be at this stage for a while? you know, announced they plan to do it but it could be ages away before they even move from there?

[TigerClaw]

I hope they stick to PG13 like the Superhero movies and not make it too young. Just my personal preference.
Could we be at this stage for a while? you know, announced they plan to do it but it could be ages away before they even move from there?
They should go dark if they need to. The problem is Nicklelodeon would want them to stay family friendly. Since they do promote the movies on there Network. Which is aimed directly at kids.

This is the very reason why the new TMNT series was aimed at a younger audience. The 2012 series went a little dark. And Nickelodeon felt uncomfortable with the direction that show went. That they created a new series more in line with there demographic.

[newfan]

They should go dark if they need to. The problem is Nicklelodeon would want them to stay family friendly. Since they do promote the movies on there Network. Which is aimed directly at kids.

This is the very reason why the new TMNT series was aimed at a younger audience. The 2012 series went a little dark. And Nickelodeon felt uncomfortable with the direction that show went. That they created a new series more in line with there demographic.


Well I wasn't after R rated :) there's family friendly movies targeting a wider age range and then toons on kids channels.

[Andrew NDB]

Could we be at this stage for a while? you know, announced they plan to do it but it could be ages away before they even move from there?

Probably not, since there's no quality control. It took 14 years before Laird was happy with Imagi's TMNT 4. From the moment Nick bought the rights, it took only 5 years to get TMNT (2014) off the ground, though they had to shoot the same movie twice. Less than 2 years for the sequel.

Things should move speedily, for better or probably for worse.

[IndigoErth]

I've also wondered if it would take awhile for it to really even move forward. Didn't 2014 actually take a long time to really come around to happening? But good point on Nick's eagerness in general though.

While I don't want it to take forever, I hope it at least takes long enough to actually get a good script down pat, unlike how they rushed through making one for 2016 just to hurry up and make another movie; they half-assed it on the main plot line and it shows loud and clear.



We've got a new "younger" series already getting out the door just barely after it could hit the other guys in the behind on the way out... Please please please let a movie go a bit OLDER. Likewise agree, there is no reason that a film has to be rated R in order for adults to enjoy it, PG 13 can do that just fine. (Even though a truly darker R rated TMNT someday would be pretty awesome.) Give those adults and older teens something to look forward to alongside and in contrast to a tv series desperate to be younger.

edit: Remember Snick (Saturday Night Nick)? It's a shame that at one time Nick was interested in trying to create some content for an audience that was a little older, rather than making sure everything is age appropriate for 8-year-olds.

[miru]

Introduce the series back to theaters via a featurette or even a serial attached to another film or two. Featurette format feels like the best choice for adapting an issue or even arc into a film. Keep this featurette grounded, with Goseico as the main enemy, alongside PDs. Focus on character moments and growth as the warriors learn their place in the world, despite being accidents.

I guess either continuing to whet tastes with another featurette or moving onto the feature film. Considering Pooh had three featurette showings before his big shot, maybe one more featurette before the movie would work. Probably about the Purple Dragons (and maybe bother gangs)

When it comes to the film, i’d probably keep the origin story in the opening credits and end with the Turtles ready to fight Shredder. The battle ensues, and it ends with the seeming demise of him. Their mission over, the real Action begins. I’d basically then cover all the early Mirage stuff, from the one-shot of Raph meeting Casey Jones to the Mouser saga. The film climaxes within TCRI, where the turtles find out why they became the way they are. In fact, Shredder seemingly returns for a climactic brawl as Donatello rescues a captive Mutant scheduled for destruction and study; he named her Alopex.

After Shredder falls into the portal, taking TCRI with him, our heroes leave into the sewer, awaiting what will come next. The stinger shows eyes looming from the darkness, along with the sound of a portal. The wanted poster of Ch’Rell flutters by.

(In a later film, it’s revealed the Shredder who attacked them at TCRI is not the same one that was killed by a fall. Rather, he’s the criminal Ch’rell, who was seen on a wanted poster at TCRI.)

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

In a later film, it’s revealed the Shredder who attacked them at TCRI is not the same one that was killed by a fall. Rather, he’s the criminal Ch’rell, who was seen on a wanted poster at TCRI.

Why would an extraterrestrial impose a modern-day Shredder?

[miru]

Why would an extraterrestrial impose a modern-day Shredder?

We soon learn about an ancient Shredder from feudal times in the same film. Ch’rell simply took the modern armor because it was nearby.

The DVD has a short based on “Notes from the Underground”, to establish how Goseico are using mutagens and remaining a threat. This would also establish Baron Draxum as a potential future bad guy, and the ruler over the city of the Underground Monsters. Also tease how the next film will feature time-space travel and hence allow Ch’rell to come back out of the portal.

Another featurette has Eric Sachs, who has “invented” a portal to appease an unknown master (he stole it from TCRI), craft a semi-autonomous combat armor which he calls “Chrome Dome”. After encountering him in an underground fight club ran by Mr. X(ever), Eric kidnaps Alopex (who is on her morning walk through the sewers) and tries to take her to his master. The Turtles end up taking him out with one well-placed shoulder tackle, and rescue Alopex.

Impressed, Sachs constructs a new project that’s based around the Turtles, but his master has other ideas... The product of this is a Turtle or that commands Mouser units, serving as an exciting fight for Alopex to take center stage.

In the end, Sachs ends up right inside the coven of the Underground Monsters.

Visually, the films would keep the Turtles distinct, yet slender and ninja-worthy. Red bandanas would be used, because the physical alte rations would be enough. The films would be set in the 1980s, and keep a more Mirage-ish atmosphere.

[victory_angel]

Don't have the rivalry between Leo and Raph. I mean yeah they're the dominant turtles so they're going to but heads. And maybe you can have the conflict appear on the surface to be Raph and Leo, but then have it turn out the conflict was something no one was expecting.


For example with the 2007 movie, there were two sequel plot ideas. I heard about these plot lines on the Turtle Flakes podcast.

The first sequel had Mikey being tired of always being seen and treated like the baby brother. So he goes to Karai and tells her he doesn't know where he fits, and Karai tells him "Maybe the Foot Clan is where you belong"

And the second one one had the Triceratons, so we could have seen the those bipedal triceropods in a TMNT film.

Unfortunately since this film bombed these sequels were never made.

[Technogeek29]

If I had to use Shredder as the main villain for the first film again I would make the story more of a focus on his and Splinters connection. The Turtles would be prominent but more along for the ride. It would be more of a memoir narrative setting in that regard.

It can work and give fans who aren't very privy to Turtles lore a more inside look about Splinter and Shredder if you do it well enough no one but nitpickers would complained the Turtles aren't really the heroes of the story.

If it made enough for a sequel then the focus would be more on the Turtles, heck have them give commentary on little control they have on their own lives.

[IndigoErth]

Finally caught the second Guardians of the Galaxy. The Turtles really really need the humor element similarly expertly woven into it, not the dumbed down forced nonsense they went for last time.

An allover similar treatment as GotG would be amazing. If a frigging talking racoon can be taken seriously, it's shameful if film makers can't manage it with the Turtles; esp with them even being a heck of a lot more humanoid.

[Galactus]

I'm not sure I'd want TMNT to be given the Guardians treatment.

The movie version of the Guardians of the Galaxy are comedic characters in a comedic environment. Sure, they balance that out with with moments of drama or more mature content but the overall approach to the movies is embracing the goofiness of it all.

TMNT works best when they are comedic characters in a realistic environment. Even the comedy aspect of the characters is largely in their interactions with each other. There's a reason why that elevator scene from the first Platinum Dunes movie was the popular aspect of that movie. It speaks volumes about the quality of the movie that a scene like that (which wasn't anything special) would stand out. Platinum Dunes took notice of that scenes popularity but misread why people liked it and gave us more goofy ****.

Even the 80s animated series started off with a smidgen of seriousness and you could argue kids tailed off the more goofy it got. I don't think there's a version of TMNT out there that hasn't hemorrhaged popularity the goofier it's gotten (apart from the versions that were ultra goofy at the start). If Out Of The Shadows is any indication embracing the goofiness of the concept is not the way to go.

I don't deny that back in the early days of the franchise a lot of it's appeal was the strangeness of the concept but the public have had over thirty years to acclimate to the concept of TMNT. Considering the kind of things that have become popular since then TMNT actually looks pretty normal by comparison. Maybe the approach should be to highlight why fans stayed with franchise instead of trying to constantly recreate what drew them in the first place.

Ideally I think TMNT would fit well with the tone of most of the other MCU movies but I think they tried that with Out Of The Shadows and the fact that even ripping off The Avengers look and story it missed the mark I think it's blotted TMNT's copy book when it comes to that approach. I think it definitely needs something much more unexpected, something that makes people sit up and notice "oh they're doing TMNT like this now. I wonder how that's going to work".

[IndigoErth]

There's a reason why that elevator scene from the first Platinum Dunes movie was the popular aspect of that movie. It speaks volumes about the quality of the movie that a scene like that (which wasn't anything special) would stand out. Platinum Dunes took notice of that scenes popularity but misread why people liked it and gave us more goofy ****.
Not to mention is was supposedly just the actors goofing off and they decided to include it. So one of the most liked parts of the movie was the one piece that wasn't written or directed. :tlol:

But that's the thing though, and why I liked the way GotG more genuine feeling humor that doesn't feel forced. Though clearly the PD writers couldn't do genuine to save their lives. (Maybe the new writer can...)

Instead of forcing it in OofS and making the intended humor so fake maybe they should have just left the actors free to goof off just a little when shooting scenes since they supposedly all clicked so well anyhow. Not overdone, but if they were free to be a bit playful with it, it might have hit on something closer to that elevator scene in terms of believability and enjoyment of their antics.

[miru]

Would an IDW based film work? Probably easy to shoot for a PG-13 using, and having a ton of story potential thrown in.

[IndigoErth]

Not familiar enough to really judge it, but I suppose it depends on what you pull from it and at what point in the story. If pulling from something more original to IDW then that would be cool. Personally I'm tired of rehashing the same things over and over and don't want the foundation of it screwed with and, while it's an interesting take, not big on the reincarnation route.


[Edit: Yeah... I'm just going to start rambling on about stuff from here, so fair warning.]


Just still wish someone had the guts to fast forward a little and hit new ground with somewhat older Turtles instead of trying to reinvent what's been done. Original stories (that work for them and fit within the types of themes typical of them) would be nice.

As for possible new foes for original film stories... Please, for the love of god, do not create lame, dull, or otherwise annoying villeins. I mean...who involved in the production really looked at Eric Sachs and thought, "This is an interesting character"?? Evil businessman-scientist who really only just wants to get rich (and got a lot less screen time than "April") is about as boring as you can get. Even if he stayed being Shredder he's still boring as hell and pointless to have ever wanted to force to be Shredder to begin with, esp since the Shredder is basically just a robot in terms of the visuals.

I'm all for more earthbound bad guys, and kind of prefer it, but at least make them interesting. Enough so that a character like Fox's half-assed April doesn't actually end up with more screen time than the villain. Maybe films sometimes try to contain themes that resonate with the audience at certain periods of times, and maybe a self centered businessman who wants to get rich at the expense of others is believable in this day and age (sans sicking an entire city)...it just doesn't say "TMNT." It sounds more like a theme for some classy, scheming, scandalous Wall Street suspense movie, not a film for four mutant guys.

Although, if Sachs turned out to be Krang's android body and he was trying to harm the city for his own purposes, NOT to "get rich," then they might have had something.


Had the next been intended as a sequel, even loosely, I'd have liked for Krang to at least make a comeback and be a legitimate threat for once. Easily fits into the genre of an alien attack movie, with the attack actually being 75% of the film, from the perspective of the Turtles who are also experiencing it like everyone else in the city, but are also trying to lend a hand to stop it and inevitably end up the heroes who do. (Do I want yet another alien attack film, even if TMNT style... eh...? But it's better than 2016 mostly deciding to just have a little scavenger hunt instead. :roll:)

[miru]

If we do get a Mirage-accurate treatment, I think the classic theme should be used as an Ironic Nursery Tune/Moody Trailer Cover Song for the trailers or even the titles. Especially how we could twist the lyrics of those old tunes... This would sell people on exactly what sort of film they're getting.

[Andrew NDB]

Would an IDW based film work? Probably easy to shoot for a PG-13 using, and having a ton of story potential thrown in.

I wouldn't be against that, particularly with the reincarnation angle. But they'd need to dial the Fred Wolf stuff back about 75%.

[Kaine]

No more brotherly feud stuff between Raph or Leonardo.. it's getting rehashed and old, imo.

[IndigoErth]

Well, it's kind of part of their dynamic and conflicting personalities, but I agree they don't need to try to point it out all the time.

Butting heads a little is enough to keep their dynamic without always having to include a fight in the script to prove these two are like fire and ice...but ultimately have each other's backs.