Batwoman TV Series

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Leading on from the crossover, Arrowverse is getting its own Batwoman show on the CW.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman/batwoman-tv-series-officially-in-the-works-at-the-cw-will-feature-openly-gay-lead-kate-kane-a162181

It's another CW show, so I won't be checking it out, but that's pretty cool irregardless.

[Sumac]

Yay? Yay!
Not that I will watch it, but still it's awesome.
I wonder, will it be stylized as a her comic books?

[TurtleTitan97]

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=60225

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=60225

My bad, dude, thanks... missed that thread...

[TurtleTitan97]

No worries. Perhaps we could get a mod to combine them both?

[Autbot_Benz]

Batwoman armed with a passion for social justice and flair for speaking her mind . Oh brother this is gonna be supergirl all over again isn't

this is gonna suck isn't it

[Sumac]

"Social Justice"? Seriously?

[Autbot_Benz]

"Social Justice"? Seriously?

its gonna be basically if Papenbrook was batwoman :lol:

[ABrown]

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=60225

So are we just ignoring that thread then?


Anyway, this might possibly be interesting.

So we're all in agreement. At some point when this crosses over with Supergirl, she'll have a thing with Alex...

[plastroncafe]

Provided she makes a pit stop with the Legends, because I think I kind of need her and Sarah to be introduced.

[ZariusTwo]

They're looking for a legit lesbian to play the character

https://tvline.com/2018/07/17/batwoman-cw-series-lesbian-actress-casting/

[plastroncafe]

I'm curious if they're going to keep her military backstory, now that don't ask don't tell has been repealed.

[Autbot_Benz]

I just hope this show doesn't follow the terrible Supergirl Formula aka

1. Pushing there Liberal Agenda in Certain Episodes
2. Girl Power to the extreme
3. Lesbian Relationship takes over half the season instead of the superhero aspect.
4. Pandering to SJW's.

[plastroncafe]

So:
1) pander to you
2) pander to you
3) pander to you
4) pander to you

That shouldn't be too hard, it's pretty much the formula for every other superhero thing on the air.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm assuming that since Kate Kane is getting her own TV show, we can count her out for any big-screen appearances for the foreseeable future...

[TurtleTitan97]

I just hope this show is more like Black Lightning in terms of tone, pacing and writing and less like Supergirl. After how the latest season ended, I think I'm close to giving it up.

[Andrew NDB]

They're looking for a legit lesbian to play the character

Of course they are. :roll:

[Autbot_Benz]

I just hope this show is more like Black Lightning in terms of tone, pacing and writing and less like Supergirl. After how the latest season ended, I think I'm close to giving it up.

I agree 100% I gave up on Supergirl 4 episodes before s3 ended because it was terrible. If Batwoman is more like black lightning that would be perfect. I Love black lightning

[raph27]

So:
1) pander to you
2) pander to you
3) pander to you
4) pander to you

That shouldn't be too hard, it's pretty much the formula for every other superhero thing on the air.

A superhero show can still cover social issues without doing it as awfully as some Supergirl episodes did. The start of season 2 actually handled this well IMO, until the season kept on going and everything that related to real life issues starting sounding like they took a 13 year old's fanfiction and filmed it.

Not everything is black and white. I believe that a superhero show exploring those issues can be interesting and break the mold that others fall into. But saying that it shouldn't take the Supergirl path sounds like a solid idea.

[Sumac]

I'm assuming that since Kate Kane is getting her own TV show, we can count her out for any big-screen appearances for the foreseeable future...
Didn't thought about it.
This actually quite bad for me, as I really would like to see, Batwoman movie with stylized approach.
Maybe a rare case where Snyder would have been appropriate (as long as he wasn't anywhere close to the handling characters, that is).

[sdp]

I'm not familiar with Batwoman, but hasn't she been around for like a decade now? What has she done since then? All I know is she was a Lesbian since that was literally how they introduced her as the most important aspect of her. Has she done anything since?

How related is she to the Batfamily? She always seemed like the red headed stepchild of the bat family. Will this be in continuity with the other CW shows? So does that mean Batman will finally be acknowledged besides vague references?

Edit: How many shows are there now in the Arrowverse? Arrow, Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Supergirl, Blacklighting? Batwoman? What am I missing? The animated Vixen shorts? Constantine? It's so overwhelming, I"m like 2 years behind on the Arrowverse but that means I'm like 200 forty minute episodes behind.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm not familiar with Batwoman, but hasn't she been around for like a decade now?

Technically? Since 1956.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm not familiar with Batwoman, but hasn't she been around for like a decade now? What has she done since then? All I know is she was a Lesbian since that was literally how they introduced her as the most important aspect of her. Has she done anything since?

How related is she to the Batfamily? She always seemed like the red headed stepchild of the bat family. Will this be in continuity with the other CW shows? So does that mean Batman will finally be acknowledged besides vague references?

Well, she killed Talia al Ghul, she fought some weird ghost things, almost got married to Maggie Sawyer, fought Killer Croc, killed Clayface...

I dunno, I've never cared for her. Bruce Wayne having a cousin seems weird to me. Like, why did Alfred raise him, not Jacob Kane or whoever?

But the Rebirth Detective Comics series did some pretty cool things with her.

[ABrown]

I'm not familiar with Batwoman, but hasn't she been around for like a decade now? What has she done since then? All I know is she was a Lesbian since that was literally how they introduced her as the most important aspect of her. Has she done anything since?

How related is she to the Batfamily? She always seemed like the red headed stepchild of the bat family. Will this be in continuity with the other CW shows? So does that mean Batman will finally be acknowledged besides vague references?

I don't read the comics, so I only know her from the DC Animated movies Batman: Bad Blood and Batman: The Mystery of the Batwoman.

[Raph's Girl]

I'm not familiar with Batwoman, but hasn't she been around for like a decade now? What has she done since then? All I know is she was a Lesbian since that was literally how they introduced her as the most important aspect of her. Has she done anything since?

How related is she to the Batfamily? She always seemed like the red headed stepchild of the bat family. Will this be in continuity with the other CW shows? So does that mean Batman will finally be acknowledged besides vague references?



Ok... The Batwoman origin is a bit well everywhere. It all started in the 50s with Kathy Kane who was Bruce's aunt (by marriage). Her husband died and a villain (supposadly her father) convinced her that Batman needed to be put down. So she initially became Batwoman to spy on Batman, see how he worked, and then kill him... only....they fell in love. Yep. Brucie's main love interest back in the day was his aunt (they even married). Then she faked her death (came back years later as some sort of secret agent).

The CURRENT Batwoman is Kate Kane, Bruce's Jewish lesbian cousin. This is the Batwoman that'll be the focus of the Arrow-verse. She's rich, a socialite, has an evil twin (Beth aka Alice Liddle), raised by her military dad (Bruce's uncle Col. Jacob Kane), love interest is Renee Montoya, sidekick is her cousin Bette/Flamebird. Kate's a military brat, attended the academy but got kicked out for being a lesbian. She uses her military training to fight. Her father is basically her Alfred.

[TurtleTitan97]

Ok... The Batwoman origin is a bit well everywhere. It all started in the 50s with Kathy Kane who was Bruce's aunt (by marriage). Her husband died and a villain (supposadly her father) convinced her that Batman needed to be put down. So she initially became Batwoman to spy on Batman, see how he worked, and then kill him... only....they fell in love. Yep. Brucie's main love interest back in the day was his aunt (they even married). Then she faked her death (came back years later as some sort of secret agent).


Dare I ask where you got that from? I've never heard of the OG Batwoman being referred to as Bruce's aunt. I doubt the Comics Code Authority would allow that to happen.

[Shark_Blade]

So she gonna be a lesbo like in the comic?

[Raph's Girl]

Dare I ask where you got that from? I've never heard of the OG Batwoman being referred to as Bruce's aunt. I doubt the Comics Code Authority would allow that to happen.

She's his aunt by marriage. Not biologically related. Kathy's husband was Bruce's bio uncle Nathan. Martha Wayne (nee Kane) had 4 brothers: Jacob, Nathan, Phillip, and whoever Bette/Flamebird's dad is (he's never been named). Philip actually took care of Bruce for a while after his parents died. But then for whatever reason Alfred ended up raising him. I don't remember how Nathan died but it was after his death that Kathy used her circus skillz (yeah she was in some circus Nathan purchased *lol*) to use as Batwoman.

So she gonna be a lesbo like in the comic?

That's what the article says.

[TurtleTitan97]

She's his aunt by marriage. Not biologically related. Kathy's husband was Bruce's bio uncle Nathan. Martha Wayne (nee Kane) had 4 brothers: Jacob, Nathan, Phillip, and whoever Bette/Flamebird's dad is (he's never been named). Philip actually took care of Bruce for a while after his parents died. But then for whatever reason Alfred ended up raising him. I don't remember how Nathan died but it was after his death that Kathy used her circus skillz (yeah she was in some circus Nathan purchased *lol*) to use as Batwoman.


I looked it up, and I see you were talking about New Earth Kathy Kane: http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Katherine_Webb_(New_Earth)

I had thought you were talking about Pre Crisis Batwoman, who wasn't his aunt by marriage: http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Katherine_Kane_(Earth-One)

[CyberCubed]

I'm interested as long as there's a lot of good lesbian kissing and romance in the show, I am a sucker for it.

[Autbot_Benz]

I'm interested as long as there's a lot of good lesbian kissing and romance in the show, I am a sucker for it.

dusting off an oldy but goody from Plastron. Nobody wants to see your boner Cybercubed

[CyberCubed]

But at least here we know it's going to happen. And hopefully handled a lot better than the Maggie and Alex "romance" in Supergirl...that literally gave me a goddamn headache how many times they "broke up" or had fights in like a season and a half before they finally broke up for good.

[Spike Spiegel]

If it's as good as season one of Supergirl, I'm all for this. For me, that show is the closest modern equivalent we have to the Donner movies.

I'd imagine it'll end up on that DC Universe streaming service at some point, too.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

But at least here we know it's going to happen. And hopefully handled a lot better than the Maggie and Alex "romance" in Supergirl...that literally gave me a goddamn headache how many times they "broke up" or had fights in like a season and a half before they finally broke up for good.

Dude. It's on CW, same as Supergirl.

It's gonna be the same drama BS, betcha bottom dollah.

[ZariusTwo]

But at least here we know it's going to happen. And hopefully handled a lot better than the Maggie and Alex "romance" in Supergirl...that literally gave me a goddamn headache how many times they "broke up" or had fights in like a season and a half before they finally broke up for good.

It will not surprise me one bit if Maggie winds up in this..given that she was Kate's comic book love interest for a long time and they were close to tying the knot until Dan Didio mandated it not happen, forcing the creative team at the time to leave in protest.

[Sumac]

I'm interested as long as there's a lot of good lesbian kissing and romance in the show, I am a sucker for it.
So progressive of you. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

I'm interested as long as there's a lot of good lesbian kissing and romance in the show, I am a sucker for it.

Let's leave your fetishes out of this amigo.

[Redeemer]

They're looking for a legit lesbian to play the character

https://tvline.com/2018/07/17/batwoman-cw-series-lesbian-actress-casting/

Really???? wow talk about bold.

Really disgusted to see them discriminate and exclude other talented actors based on their sexual orientation..... I am happy to see a homosexual character get a tv show, bc it shows improvement in equality and diversity within our society, but again this is hypocritical..... I said this before and I will say this again hire the best actress/actor for the role.....

[Andrew NDB]

Is that even legal? Like, to apply to read for said part, they ask you, "OK, we like your reel... but are you attracted to the same sex in your personal life?" and if not, you can't read for the part?

[oldmanwinters]

Is that even legal? Like, to apply to read for said part, they ask you, "OK, we like your reel... but are you attracted to the same sex in your personal life?" and if not, you can't read for the part?

Haha, I'm sure there are corporately acceptable ways around it, like saying "it's not a deal breaker, but we really thought they'd be right for this part because..."

[Sumac]

Is that even legal? Like, to apply to read for said part, they ask you, "OK, we like your reel... but are you attracted to the same sex in your personal life?" and if not, you can't read for the part?
I am pretty sure that some actresses might suddenly acquire taste for a pussies, if payment will be worth it.

[Andrew NDB]

I am pretty sure that some actresses might suddenly acquire taste for a pussies, if payment will be worth it.

Undoubtedly. It wouldn't even be the first time.

8mGBaXPlri8

[Spike Spiegel]

I am pretty sure that some actresses might suddenly acquire taste for a pussies, if payment will be worth it.

http://media2.onsugar.com/files/2013/08/28/960/n/1922398/99321e8fb77cabae_thumb_temp314115891377720453.xxxl arge/i/Pictures-Lea-Michele-Instagram.jpg

I wonder if Lea Michele would ever consider dipping her toes into the pool of capes#!t...

[Sumac]

http://media2.onsugar.com/files/2013/08/28/960/n/1922398/99321e8fb77cabae_thumb_temp314115891377720453.xxxl arge/i/Pictures-Lea-Michele-Instagram.jpg

I wonder if Lea Michele would ever consider dipping her toes into the pool of capes#!t...
What a cute girl and a pussy!!

Don't show it to 'cubed, though. His poor heart might not be able to handle such lewdness.
:P

Undoubtedly. It wouldn't even be the first time.

8mGBaXPlri8
Ah, yes, these...
Hilariously (not really), nowadays, such act would have been unthinkable in modern Russia. Even just for money.

[ProactiveMan]

Batwoman armed with a passion for social justice and flair for speaking her mind.

I'm not sure how a violent vigilante can claim to have a passion for social justice.

[Redeemer]

Is that even legal? Like, to apply to read for said part, they ask you, "OK, we like your reel... but are you attracted to the same sex in your personal life?" and if not, you can't read for the part?

I don't think so. I am pretty sure you are not suppose to ask about religion, political views or sexual orientation during the hiring process, but I maybe wrong.... :ohwell:

[Sumac]

I'm not sure how a violent vigilante can claim to have a passion for social justice.
Violence is justified when it's against bad guys., something something, ends justify the means (which is an antithesis to everything liberal and progressive, but who cares at this point). :lol:

[plastroncafe]

I don't think so. I am pretty sure you are not suppose to ask about religion, political views or sexual orientation during the hiring process, but I maybe wrong.... :ohwell:

You're also not supposed to hire based on height, skin pigmentation, weight, or hair texture. But Hollywood allows for that as well.

There are very few Industries in which putting on weight is considered a breach of one's contract. Hollywood just happens to be one of them.

gay for pay isn't exactly a new thing, all one really needs to do is look at the porn industry.
I guarantee you a huge number of the men making gay porn or actually straight, and all you need to do is look at the fingernails of the women in your lesbian porn to know which of them is actually LGBT.

[Sumac]

all you need to do is look at the fingernails of the women in your lesbian porn to know which of them is actually LGBT.
But it if they file them away anyway?
How we can tell whether they are straight or not?
:P:P:P

[ZariusTwo]

Undoubtedly. It wouldn't even be the first time.

8mGBaXPlri8

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[Machias Banshee]

Leave the political social justice stuff out of the thread.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2018/08/07/breaking-news-ruby-rose-suits-up-as-batwoman

Ruby Rose is playing Batwoman

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2018/08/07/breaking-news-ruby-rose-suits-up-as-batwoman

Ruby Rose is playing Batwoman

Good for her! She's a great actress.

Show's gonna suck, but this will be great for her resume and I'm sure she'll enjoy it.

[plastroncafe]

Okay...NOW this show has my attention.

[Andrew NDB]

Seems like a good depository for her. Hopefully this means she'll stay out of film for a while.

[Vegita-San]

does anyone care about batwoman? always thought of it as a redundant character. we already have batgirl after all.

same thing goes for all the robins after dick greyson. don't want to get rid of robin, nightwing should never have been invented.

[TurtleTitan97]

same thing goes for all the robins after dick greyson. don't want to get rid of robin, nightwing should never have been invented.


So by that logic, should Wally West have been kept as the only Kid Flash rather than adopting his mentor's identity? Or Donna Troy as Wonder Girl?

Or literally any legacy hero that has appeared since the Silver Age?

[Cure]

Aw, boo. Ruby Rose sucks. I guess CW's exclusive streak of casting attractive women is RUINED.

[plastroncafe]

That's the great superhero schism, isn't it?
Do we freeze the roster and keep the character list as a static entity, or do we let time pass and things change.

This is why I prefer multiple universes.
That way the purist/conservationists can have their sandbox, where nothing really ever changes or evolves into something else.

And then those of us in the transformative camp can play with the world and see what happens when we do this...

Aw, boo. Ruby Rose sucks. I guess CW's exclusive streak of casting attractive women is RUINED.

Says you.
To me they're hot like lava.

[CyberCubed]

same thing goes for all the robins after dick greyson. don't want to get rid of robin, nightwing should never have been invented.

LOL, what on earth? Dick Grayson staying as Robin forever would have been awful, everyone likes that he became his own man with Nightwing.

And Tim Drake is incredibly popular. I don't care for Jason or Damian much but they have their fans.

I find it ridiculous you're claiming Nightwing should have never happened. You thought Dick was going to remain "The Boy Wonder" forever?

[Cure]

Says you.
To me they're hot like lava.

Yeah, I've noticed more women than men find her attractive.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

LOL, what on earth? Dick Grayson staying as Robin forever would have been awful, everyone likes that he became his own man with Nightwing.

And Tim Drake is incredibly popular. I don't care for Jason or Damian much but they have their fans.

I find it ridiculous you're claiming Nightwing should have never happened. You thought Dick was going to remain "The Boy Wonder" forever?

I love all those Robins. Even Stephanie Brown. Just not Carrie Kelley. You can't have character growth if you stay in one role your entire life/career.

Says you.
To me they're hot like lava.

Yeah, I've noticed more women than men find her attractive.

Straight dude right here, willing to say Ruby Rose is smokin'.

[Vegita-San]

So by that logic, should Wally West have been kept as the only Kid Flash rather than adopting his mentor's identity? Or Donna Troy as Wonder Girl?

Or literally any legacy hero that has appeared since the Silver Age?

I personally think just simply replacing robin kind of degrades dick greysons journey into nightwing a little. why use nightwing when you have another robin at your disposal?

nightwings been around, how long now, and I don't think he's still anywhere near as popular as he should be.

[Shark_Blade]

Nightwing is still okay I guess, better than Red Robin. No one remember him now.

You know... it might not be so bad if Batman & Batwoman had batsex (I know she’s lesbo) instead of Batman & Batgirl in The Killing Joke film which just feels paedophilia and incest. I mean love making between the mentor and the student?? The mentor feels like a step parent tbh. Ew, imagine Splinter and the turtles I can’t even. Anyway I’m rambling.

[Autbot_Benz]

Nightwing is still okay I guess, better than Red Robin. No one remember him now.

You know... it might not be so bad if Batman & Batwoman had batsex (I know she’s lesbo) instead of Batman & Batgirl in The Killing Joke film which just feels paedophilia and incest. I mean love making between the mentor and the student?? The mentor feels like a step parent tbh. Ew, imagine Splinter and the turtles I can’t even. Anyway I’m rambling.


Wait what are you smoking. The sex scene in the killing joke can't feel like paedophilia and incest because 1. Barbara is of legal age 2. Bruce and Barbara are not related by blood. Go home Shark Blade your drunk

[Ninjinister]

Has anybody pointed this out?

http://stealherstyle.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ruby-rose-ninja-turtle-arm-tattoo-1-500x375.jpg

[Autbot_Benz]

Just like Anna Diop before her Ruby Rose is scared off Social Media by fake DC Fans


http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/08/11/batwoman-ruby-rose-deactivates-twitter-instagram-comments/

[plastroncafe]

Maybe scared isn't the right frame.
Let's go with, she left before she said something that got her into trouble.

[Andrew NDB]

Maybe scared isn't the right frame.
Let's go with, she left before she said something that got her into trouble.

So... scared off of Twitter. In other words.

Not saying I blame her. If I were a big celebrity I'd have to consider there is zero reason to have a Twitter in the current climate at all. What's the upside to having one now? It can only hurt you, not help.

[ZariusTwo]

Just like Anna Diop before her Ruby Rose is scared off Social Media by fake DC Fans


http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/08/11/batwoman-ruby-rose-deactivates-twitter-instagram-comments/

Fans who clearly prefer the Silver Age Batwoman:P

[Vegita-San]

maybe she was scared off by the crazy SJW's who apparently think she 'isn't gay enough ' to be batwoman?

smh. saw that in a little video blurb on YT. these SJW people are never happy with what they get.

[Spike Spiegel]

Has anybody pointed this out?

http://stealherstyle.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ruby-rose-ninja-turtle-arm-tattoo-1-500x375.jpg

So there's a chance that she's a 2k3 fan specifically?

Imagine if she's on some big syndicated talk show, gets asked about the tattoo, and talks at length about how much she loves it, generating enough sentiment on Twitter and elsewhere to perhaps get a new DVD release.

Wishful thinking, I suppose.

[Andrew NDB]

So there's a chance that she's a 2k3 fan specifically?

Maybe she's on this forum.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Maybe she's on this forum.

Dammit, you guys finally outed me.

[plastroncafe]

Dammit, you guys finally outed me.

https://media.tenor.com/images/16f65de1258ff354c54da90838281a39/tenor.gif

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://media.tenor.com/images/16f65de1258ff354c54da90838281a39/tenor.gif

I think of you as a friend.

[plastroncafe]

I think of you as a friend.

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

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[Ninjinister]

So there's a chance that she's a 2k3 fan specifically?

Imagine if she's on some big syndicated talk show, gets asked about the tattoo, and talks at length about how much she loves it, generating enough sentiment on Twitter and elsewhere to perhaps get a new DVD release.

Wishful thinking, I suppose.

She was on a talk show and did talk about the tattoo... Kelly and Ryan or something. Didn't mention the 2003 incarnation specifically, but said she got it because when she was scared as a kid, she would imagine the Turtles there ready to help her.

[Spike Spiegel]

So by that logic, should Wally West have been kept as the only Kid Flash rather than adopting his mentor's identity? Or Donna Troy as Wonder Girl?

Or literally any legacy hero that has appeared since the Silver Age?

IIRC at one point Marvel scribe Chris Claremont had the idea of the X-Men's roster being in constant rotation, so there would always be a new team on the horizon, with Cyclops in an advisory capacity, despite being semi-retired after his marriage to Madelyne Pryor.

I wonder what comics as a whole would be like by now if more writers took that approach. It's worked for franchises like Power Rangers.

[Krutch]

She's hot.

[Redeemer]

Has anybody pointed this out?

http://stealherstyle.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ruby-rose-ninja-turtle-arm-tattoo-1-500x375.jpg

Now I am interested :lol:
Any actor that supports TMNT is ok in my book :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

First look at Batwoman in costume

https://pmctvline2.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/batwoman-costume-full.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

First look at Batwoman in costume

https://pmctvline2.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/batwoman-costume-full.jpg

I don't like the cape. Rest of the look is pretty great though.

[Raph's Girl]

First look at Batwoman in costume

https://pmctvline2.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/batwoman-costume-full.jpg

Wow!! Me likey!! Nice colour scheme!! :o

[Sumac]

On tiny screen of my smartphone it had looked better.
As it is now: it looks somewhat cheap and there is too much photoshop in the background.

[sdp]

It looks like a cheap version of the Batman & Robin movie Batgirl costume, but I liked that costume so it's not necessarily a bad thing. I just wonder how well she meshes with the rest of the bat family, I'm not familiar with who she is.

[Vegita-San]

hardly anyone is. she's had one animated movie and that was it.

seems like a totally un needed character. all you need is batman, robin and batgirl.

[Andrew NDB]

Is there actually a Batwoman signal/spotlight like Batman's? Like, there's actually nights where Gordon is like, "I *specifically* want Batwoman tonight, not Batman!"?

[TurtleTitan97]

seems like a totally un needed character. all you need is batman, robin and batgirl.

Right, because lets just ignore all the other members of the Bat-Family...

[Leo656]

Cape looks like some Party City sh*t, but the rest looks surprisingly close, right down to the shade of the red wig. The cape would look a lot more striking with a different type of fabric and shade of red. Not sure what they're going for there.

Not really interested. I have most of the issues of Detective Comics when they made it her book for a while; they're okay but literally nothing about them stuck with me. I think she's a better "visual" than a character, if that makes any sense. Her costume is fantastic but there's not much behind it.

I do own her DC Direct action figure. Her series just didn't thrill me.

[Sumac]

hardly anyone is. she's had one animated movie and that was it.

seems like a totally un needed character. all you need is batman, robin and batgirl.
The more new characters with untapped potential is brought to light, the better. I have tired of endless reboots of Batman.

[ABrown]

Costume looks good, I like what I see.

[ZariusTwo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqeJnlcXgAE2Ifz.jpg

Ruby on set in full cospla...erm...outfit

[Vegita-San]

OK, I know this will be an un popular opinion with the PC/Progressive crowd, but WTH.


If they had JUST kept her a straight woman(yes, I realize the newer version isn't in thecomics) protecting the city, like Supergirl...I could have accepted it a whole lot better, even with the goofy wig costume.

But making it SO obvious that they are screaming 'she's gay!' with her look.....and the 'she's a bad ass!', which is femenisms calling card these days...

what could have been cool just got alot of groans.

I've always thought the bat family only needed bruce, barbra and grayson. anyone else is just one too many.

[Leo656]

Well... the character IS gay, though, and she does indeed wear a "goofy wig costume". I haven't seen the show, but so far, points for sticking to the source material. Except for that stupid cape that looks like... I don't know, exactly. But it don't look right. :lol:

Did the character NEED to be gay? I'unno. Probably not. That never bothered me about the character; what bothered me is, I have a few dozen issues of her book(s) and none of it stuck in my brain. So it's possible that her sexuality is indeed the thing we're supposed to care about most. For the life of me, I can barely remember much else. That, and she got kicked out of the military. For being gay. So yeah, maybe that is the central thing.

I generally dig her outfit, though. I own the action figure. Is she a necessary character? Eh, probably not. They've had about ten years to "get her over" and as far as I'm aware they still haven't.

Lots of comic book "characters" are really just a great-looking visual; I kinda feel like that's her case.

[Candy Kappa]

If they had JUST kept her a straight woman(yes, I realize the newer version isn't in thecomics) protecting the city, like Supergirl...I could have accepted it a whole lot better, even with the goofy wig costume.

So, not a Kate Kane fan, eh?

[TurtleTitan97]

If they had JUST kept her a straight woman(yes, I realize the newer version isn't in thecomics) protecting the city, like Supergirl...I could have accepted it a whole lot better, even with the goofy wig costume.



You're like 12 years behind to be complaining about this, V. Maybe you should actually pick up Batwoman's comics before making statements like this.

Also, limiting the Bat Family to only Bruce, Dick, and Barbara would be lame as hell. That's like saying the Flash family should only include Barry, Wally, and Iris or the Superman Family only composed of Clark, Kara, and Lois.

[Vegita-San]

which is my point. it just feels like that is her only reason for existing. virtue signaling. not for any other good reason other than that.

which does more damage to the cause with a poorly conceived idea/character than they probably realize.

they already HAVE BatGirl. What does Batwoman add to the table?

[Leo656]

Her costume is cooler than any of the Batgirl costumes.

So there's that.

[TurtleTitan97]

Her costume is cooler than any of the Batgirl costumes.

So there's that.

IDK Leo, I'd say Stephanie Brown's Batsuit is on the same level of cool as Batwoman's.

[Autbot_Benz]

I want Batwoman to be a great show. Just don't do what you did that made Supergirl unwatchable

[Vegita-San]

i will say the new 52 batgirl costume is god awful. at least the one i saw last.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/20/Batgirl_Vol_4_35.png/220px-Batgirl_Vol_4_35.png


As for comics, if it's not Turtles, Ghostbusters, He-Man, or Thundercats, I havn't picked up one in a long time.

I think the last physical book I picked up was red and blue superman where he split into lightning form back in the 90s. I can't even remember how that went.

I did pick up a little of the new Supergirl digitally. not great. I picked up Superwoman......more not great. I think I got the first issue of New 52 Superman as well.. Nothing really stood out as wow..

Most comics are just so convoluted, with no real end game in sight, they just arn't worth picking up.

[Leo656]

IDK Leo, I'd say Stephanie Brown's Batsuit is on the same level of cool as Batwoman's.

I'unno. The weird, pointless side "paneling" and extra belts and pouches don't thrill me. A little bit too "Image" for me. It's not bad or anything, but not my favorite by far.

I always liked the simple, streamlined look of the Batwoman outfit. The "blood red on black fetish gear" look is very striking. It's the kinda costume that when you see it, you wonder what took them so long to think of it.

[Sumac]

which is my point. it just feels like that is her only reason for existing. virtue signaling. not for any other good reason other than that.
You can say the same thing about any other side-character from Batman, Superman, Spider-Man mythos. What's the point of dozen Robins? What the point of Superboys? What the point of dozens upon dozens of Spider-Men?

At this point it looks like you are complaining just for the sake of it.

[Leo656]

I think the last physical book I picked up was red and blue superman where he split into lightning form back in the 90s. I can't even remember how that went.

Poorly.


Most comics are just so convoluted, with no real end game in site, they just arn't worth picking up.

The joy is in the journey, my friend. But if you're the type who demands "endings", then no, you won't find that. Still plenty of great stories to find, but it can be overwhelming.

My problem with comics isn't that nothing ever ends; it's that one day, inevitably, your very favorite story is gonna be retconned away by some idiot who thinks they know better, so they can insert their fanfic ideas from when they were a kid.

Those idiots may or may not have names like "Waid", "Johns", and "Morrison". :trazz: But yeah, to me, THAT's the worst part of being a comic book fan. Knowing that nothing actually matters makes it tough to get invested emotionally, after a while.

The good part being that, by the same rule, the bad stories get wiped out eventually, too... but again, if "nothing matters", then nothing matters. Which does indeed beg the question of, "What's the point?"

[Autbot_Benz]

Batwoman Snags Formal Pilot Order at The CW; David Nutter to Direct

Good news for the 60 percent of you who voted in favor of a Batwoman series: The CW has officially handed a pilot order to the project, which stars Orange Is the New Black‘s Ruby Rose in the title role. Rose’s Batwoman debuted in last month’s multi-part Arrowverse crossover event “Elseworlds.”

The CW also announced that Arrow/Flash vet David Nutter will direct the pilot.

Slated for a potential Fall 2019 premiere, Batwoman would follow Kate Kane — the second incarnation of the Batwoman character in DC Comics lore, introduced in 2006 — who is described as “an out lesbian and highly trained street fighter” who is “primed to snuff out the failing city’s criminal resurgence.”

Caroline Dries (The Vampire Diaries) penned the pilot and will exec produce alongside Greg Berlanti, Sarah Schechter and Geoff Johns.

Other characters reportedly being cast for the prospective series include Kate’s father, Colonel Kane; Batwoman’s Victorian Era-styled archenemy, Alice; and one that sounds like Renee Montoya.

Discussing the decision to unmask the Gotham hero in last month’s Arrowverse crossover versus holding the reveal for the potential series, Dries said it “felt like the right move,” adding, “It was important for us to humanize Kate in a way that made her relatable to the other characters in the Arrowverse, even though we were creating an enigmatic character.”

https://tvline.com/2019/01/03/batwoman-pilot-order-the-cw-ruby-rose/

[Andrew NDB]

I just saw her debut yesterday in "Elseworlds."

She wasn't bad, really. Sort of a strange setup for a show, though. Batman/Bruce has been gone for 3 years and she has no idea why and she's all alone in Wayne Tower (like all alone, not 1 soul there), which she plans to turn into some other kind of business? Or something? And her Bat cave is conveniently right below the tower?

[Vegita-San]

the character itself didn't seem bad. it's everything surrounding it that just came of as goofy to me. and I'd be curious if people in the LGTB community agreed with me or not.

I'm not trying to come off as homophobic or anything (as one person recently accused me of being)...there are just some things I like about character design, and some things I don't.



and everything about this batwoman character screams 'agenda only' to me. there is nothing really unique or well thought out about her like there is about say, batgirl. and even she doesn't really have her own rogues gallery like she should. I'm not sure if nightwing does or not

[Andrew NDB]

and everything about this batwoman character screams 'agenda only' to me. there is nothing really unique or well thought out about her like there is about say, batgirl. and even she doesn't really have her own rogues gallery like she should. I'm not sure if nightwing does or not

She might have her own rogue's gallery from the Batwoman comics... I have no idea. Probably Batwoman will get recycled Batman villains like Arrow did. But it does seem a bit like agenda.

Arrow: pepper with a lot of LGBTQ++ stuff.

Flash: pepper with a bit more LGBTQ++ and toxic masculinity stuff.

Supergirl: straight up make a LGBTQ++ show. With a lot of toxic masculinity stuff on the regular.

Batwoman: 100% LGBTQ++ show with a LGBTQ++ lead.

Seems like the natural evolution of the agenda. There's really no good reason they'd go with Batwoman over Batgirl (and there's a couple to choose from), Nightwing, etc. (and hell, this iteration of Batwoman has only existed for a fraction of the time as the other choices). Batwoman was chosen for one reason and one reason only and we all know what it is.

[oldmanwinters]

She might have her own rogue's gallery from the Batwoman comics... I have no idea. Probably Batwoman will get recycled Batman villains like Arrow did. But it does seem a bit like agenda.

Arrow: pepper with a lot of LGBTQ++ stuff.

Flash: pepper with a bit more LGBTQ++ and toxic masculinity stuff.

Supergirl: straight up make a LGBTQ++ show. With a lot of toxic masculinity stuff on the regular.

Batwoman: 100% LGBTQ++ show with a LGBTQ++ lead.

Seems like the natural evolution of the agenda. There's really no good reason they'd go with Batwoman over Batgirl (and there's a couple to choose from), Nightwing, etc. (and hell, this iteration of Batwoman has only existed for a fraction of the time as the other choices). Batwoman was chosen for one reason and one reason only and we all know what it is.

Lol, you nailed this. Although I might rank Flash below Arrow on the LGBTQ++ representation spectrum, at least prior to this current season.

Don't forget Legends of Tomorrow, which would sometimes let characters monologue about the importance of "free love" for anyone or whatever. I'd rank it just below Supergirl on the spectrum. I haven't watched enough of the other DC-verse shows to know where they would fall.

Sort of a strange setup for a show, though. Batman/Bruce has been gone for 3 years and she has no idea why and she's all alone in Wayne Tower (like all alone, not 1 soul there), which she plans to turn into some other kind of business? Or something? And her Bat cave is conveniently right below the tower?

I'm still amazed that Team Flash (a circle that is at most 10 people) can run that huge STAR Labs building at 100% efficiency for all these years after the Earth Prime "Harrison Wells" has been deceased.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Seems like the natural evolution of the agenda. There's really no good reason they'd go with Batwoman over Batgirl (and there's a couple to choose from), Nightwing, etc. (and hell, this iteration of Batwoman has only existed for a fraction of the time as the other choices). Batwoman was chosen for one reason and one reason only and we all know what it is.

You're completely right. It's funny reading your evolution of the CW DC universe. It's completely accurate, and maddening. Even when I've been quit of their stuff for... I dunno, two years now (whenever Flash Season 3 ended)... it's maddening to watch.

Push agendas at the expense of real storytelling and meaningful character development. I don't care if they do Batwoman, but I do care when Supergirl is so much better than Superman. And people like that portrayal over Cavill how!? :trolleye:

[Vegita-San]

Flash at least seems to do it right. they mention it QUICKLY and don't let it become the focus of the plot, like Supergirl seems to do.

We've had a gay villain (whose name I forget) turned semi good guy come and go. we've had a super god musical guy who trapped barry and kara in a fictional musical world. we've had the police cheif. I don't count Captain Cold, because he's only been in the crossover, and that was way too goofy a retcon to count.
And now, Barry's gender switched daughter. All mentioned once just to let you know, and then filed away on the back burner. it doesn't define them as a character..and you get to know them as people first.

[Andrew NDB]

Don't forget Legends of Tomorrow, which would sometimes let characters monologue about the importance of "free love" for anyone or whatever. I'd rank it just below Supergirl on the spectrum. I haven't watch enough of the other DC-verse shows to know where they would fall.

True... though Legends sort of treats everything with a sort of irony, or at least a wink. Nothing in Legends really bothers me.

I'm still amazed that Team Flash (a circle that is at most 10 people) can run that huge STAR Labs building at 100% efficiency for all these years after the Earth Prime "Harrison Wells" has been deceased.

Right? Like, look at the pilot. There is like a team of 20 scientists there with "Wells" running things. Now it's, like, Cisco with Iris (who is not a scientist) pressing buttons on consoles.

Also, I don't know why it bothers me so much but... 5 seasons, they can't be bothered to go and fix the top of STAR Labs? The little chunk missing. C'mon, guys. Just get it done.

Push agendas at the expense of real storytelling and meaningful character development. I don't care if they do Batwoman, but I do care when Supergirl is so much better than Superman. And people like that portrayal over Cavill how!?

Ugh, I have seen that a lot in social media. Morons. I was watching the "Elseworlds" thing and I had to do a facepalm when Supergirl is screaming at "Superman," chastising him -- to be fair, it was the villain masquerading as Superman -- that he isn't "strong enough to choose to be a woman" because he chose to take the form of Superman and not Supergirl, who is the stronger of the two. :trolleye:

And now, Barry's gender switched daughter.

Wait, what? What do you mean gender switched daughter? A couple episodes ago it was revealed she is definitely a lesbian, or at least bi, though. Which was... right about the same time we learned that Oliver's son is gay on Arrow. :lol:

[TurtleTitan97]

And now, Barry's gender switched daughter.

What devil are you talking about? Barry Allen has always had a daughter in the comics, as well as a son.

Or did you think Nora was a gender bent Bart Allen/Impulse or something?

[Autbot_Benz]

All I want out of Batwoman is not to have the terrible SJW Writing Supergirl has.

[Vegita-San]

Ugh, I have seen that a lot in social media. Morons. I was watching the "Elseworlds" thing and I had to do a facepalm when Supergirl is screaming at "Superman," chastising him -- to be fair, it was the villain masquerading as Superman -- that he isn't "strong enough to choose to be a woman" because he chose to take the form of Superman and not Supergirl, who is the stronger of the two. :trolleye:



Wait, what? What do you mean gender switched daughter? A couple episodes ago it was revealed she is definitely a lesbian, or at least bi, though. Which was... right about the same time we learned that Oliver's son is gay on Arrow. :lol:

Agreed on that superman scene. ugh. it was soooo cringe worthy and had absolutely nothing to do with the plot.

as for the daughter. doesn't she not exist in the comics/other media? I seem to recal a son from the future in the young justice animated series that talked super fast as he ran. whose name I forget at the moment. that's what i meant by gender switched.

[Vegita-San]

Or did you think Nora was a gender bent Bart Allen/Impulse or something?


Bingo.

Impulse i was familiar with. never heard of nora before.

[Andrew NDB]

Well, I guess that's somewhat fair. In the comics, XS is Jenni Ognats, Barry's granddaughter. That is not the character of Nora, who they made up for the show (though you can be sure they'll make that happen now in the comics, the way things work nowadays). They seem to be playing up Nora in a very Impulse kind of way. It really might as well be Impulse. Very well cast, though. I could totally see her being the daughter of Gustin and Patton.

Sidenote: I totally dug Felicity for a number of seasons over on Arrow... but I have to say, I'm definitely OK with them killing her off or shipping her away at this point. Oliver gets out of prison after months, and the first thing she wants to do is breakup again for a while? F*** that.

[Autbot_Benz]

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This show trailer has some cringy lines they do the hero we need is her stuff like Captain Marvel and Kate says regarding people thinking she is batman " I won't let a man take credit for a woman's job" :rolleyes:

[Leo656]

Oh, my goodness. Woof.

Nice (final) costume, though.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I couldn't even make it through the damn trailer.

It's, what, 23 episodes for the first season?

I'll go on record with some Batman predictions.


We get a namedrop for at least ONE Batgirl's alter-ego (be it Stephanie, Cassandra, Barbara, or Helena).
We get a namedrop for at least ONE Robin's alter-ego (be it Dick, Jason, or Tim).
League of Assassins doesn't show up (until later seasons).
We get some hint (or maybe even meet) Leslie Thompkins.
Jim Gordon or Alfred Pennyworth is dead. (Take your pick.)
ELEVEN fvcking Batman villains. They don't all have to be A-list, but I'm calling it now. Minimum of ELEVEN, somehow someway, showing up in the fvcking show.

[Leo656]

It's like you've done this before. :lol:

Yeah, that dialog, man... oof. Is there an official term for when you cringe, eye-roll, and face-palm all at the same time?

I feel like calling it a "Kerfluffle" but I feel like it's already in-use elsewhere.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's like you've done this before. :lol:

Yeah, that dialog, man... oof. Is there an official term for when you cringe, eye-roll, and face-palm all at the same time?

I feel like calling it a "Kerfluffle" but I feel like it's already in-use elsewhere.

I call it the Alabama Tickle.

Yeah, not my first sh!tshow. It amazes me that the CW stays on the air. :tlol:

[Autbot_Benz]

I'll give this a shot but I expect it to get SJW'ed like Supergirl did. Also kind of hypocritical for kate to say she doesn't want a man taking credit for a woman's work, when she is using Batman's Cave Costume and Gadgets

[Autbot_Benz]

Sundays are about to become about Strong Female Heroes. They won't let Men take credit for getting their own night.

https://i.imgur.com/I3MQYpU.png

[Sumac]

How about making a good series first and propaganda later?
Oh, wait...too hard.

[Skinrash]

Who's the Alice villain? Gender-bent Mad Hatter or an OC made for the show?

[Autbot_Benz]

Who's the Alice villain? Gender-bent Mad Hatter or an OC made for the show?

Alice is a villain from the batwoman comics

[Candy Kappa]

Who's the Alice villain? Gender-bent Mad Hatter or an OC made for the show?

Google is your friend
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Elizabeth_Kane_(New_Earth)

[Voltron]

My problem with this is that it's just plain unoriginal, and it's upsettingly pander-tastic.

We already had a much better story line with this in Batgirl who, on a librarian's salary, built her own crime fighting career.

Here, we have some lady who just swipes someone else's stuff then says "I'm not about to let a man take credit for a woman's work." Lady, you stole all his stuff.

Count me out.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

My problem with this is that it's just plain unoriginal, and it's upsettingly pander-tastic.

We already had a much better story line with this in Batgirl who, on a librarian's salary, built her own crime fighting career.

Here, we have some lady who just swipes someone else's stuff then says "I'm not about to let a man take credit for a woman's work." Lady, you stole all his stuff.

Count me out.

:tlol:

Couldn't agree more.

[Candy Kappa]

I don't really have a issue with Batwoman wanting the credit when Earth-1 Batman's been gone for what, three years?

[Vegita-San]

but, she's gay! and a woman! That's all you need for success these days! Logic and plot be damned!

right?

RIGHT?!?!?!?

^
WB executives in a meeting.


The fact that they put this NEW series on a Sunday night, buried next to supergirl shows all you need to know about it.

[Candy Kappa]

Logic and plot be damned!.

You're whining about that now? When we're 7 seasons of Arrow and 5 seasons of Flash into this universe

Logic and plot :lol: hilarious

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I don't really have a issue with Batwoman wanting the credit when Earth-1 Batman's been gone for what, three years?

And yet, whenever Dick, or Helena, or Tim, or anybody else take over the cowl in an absence, they never try to take the credit for themselves.

Well, except for Jean-Paul. But fvck that guy.

[Candy Kappa]

Kate starting out as a cocky asshole isn't any worse then Oliver starting as a homicidal maniac

[Vegita-San]

And yet, whenever Dick, or Helena, or Tim, or anybody else take over the cowl in an absence, they never try to take the credit for themselves.

Well, except for Jean-Paul. But fvck that guy.

Wasn't there a whole plot line about Batman training dick so he WOULDN'T turn out like him?

Dick never became Batman 2, he created a whole new persona for himself in the form of nightwing to get away from the batman mantle.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Wasn't there a whole plot line about Batman training dick so he WOULDN'T turn out like him?

Dick never became Batman 2, he created a whole new persona for himself in the form of nightwing to get away from the batman mantle.

After Batman died in Final Crisis or whichever crisis it was, Dick took over the mantle. And there was Battle for the Cowl, where he and Jason fought for the Bat mantle.

[Vegita-San]

After Batman died in Final Crisis or whichever crisis it was, Dick took over the mantle. And there was Battle for the Cowl, where he and Jason fought for the Bat mantle.

sounds kind of goofy :)

my frame of reference is the animation universe... which usually tends to remain a little more grounded :)

[Andrew NDB]

Kate starting out as a cocky asshole isn't any worse then Oliver starting as a homicidal maniac

I don't think I'd append the word "maniac" to that. I can't think of anyone he killed that didn't deserve it, off the top of my head.

Wasn't there a whole plot line about Batman training dick so he WOULDN'T turn out like him?

After Batman died in Final Crisis or whichever crisis it was, Dick took over the mantle.

There was two storylines and that was the second. The first was a decade+ beforehand, "Prodigal," where after the smoke cleared from Knightfall, KnightQuest, and KnightsEnd, Bruce gave the mantle to Dick while he worked on himself elsewhere for about a year.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

There were two storylines and that was the second. The first was a decade+ beforehand, "Prodigal," where after the smoke cleared from Knightfall, KnightQuest, and KnightsEnd, Bruce gave the mantle Dick while he worked on himself elsewhere for about a year.

Oh that's right, I forgot about Prodigal. I still need to collect that.

[Voltron]

I don't really have a issue with Batwoman wanting the credit when Earth-1 Batman's been gone for what, three years?

I don't mind an edgy, cocky female hero. I do mind if they're a carbon copy of a male character and that edginess acts as a way to advertise the franchise's wokeness. It's too forced. It wants to make a political message, but it doesn't understand the politics their commenting on.

This isn't creative. It's not putting a new and fresh spin on a character. It's basically asking "What if Batman was a lesbian, but everything else was exactly the same." And that's just riding the popularity of an already established character.

They do this with a bunch of characters, and I find it kind of offensive that companies don't push original characters who happen to be in a minority group. Wolverine and Thor are women. Batman's a lesbian.

I'm sure that this is doing some good on a social level. It's making a historically oppressed groups mainstream. It's showing that they're just as capable as the straight white males who've dominated pop-culture since forever.

And it's not like it doesn't work. I love Miles Morales. He's a very compelling character. More often than not, though, most of these forays into diversity just feel forced, and done more for the controversy than for the actual appreciation of the cultures the characters represent.

Personally, I'd rather see original characters represent these groups. I know a lot of them fall flat, but that's par for the course with any character. How many Golden Age heroes still exist today? Getting something with staying power isn't easy. But every so often we get a real gem out of these things.

Black Panther, Modern Family, Mr. Sulu, Power Man, Storm, Cyborg, and just because I'm convinced they are: Sam and Frodo from Lord of the Rings. That sexual tension was PALPABLE.

[Autbot_Benz]

DC
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https://i.imgur.com/XrAl6ss.jpg


I just hope someone has the balls to ask why the Batwoman Trailers come off as super Anti-Male and cringy as hell. Also that song where the person screams I AM A WOMAN in the trailers needs to be addressed

[Andrew NDB]

They probably won't even open it up to the audience. That, or they'll pre-screen questions before they let people go up to the mic.

[Autbot_Benz]

Batwoman Pilot was shown at SDCC

SDCC Batwoman Pilot Review: Exciting Moments and Raw Potential Shine Through the Mess

https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/07/19/batwoman-pilot-review-cw-sdcc-2019/

However, the pilot as a whole is messy, bland, and a bit of a drag.

[Autbot_Benz]

Batwoman Panel is today.


Geek Vibes Nation @ SDCC
‏ @GeekVibesNation
20m20 minutes ago

Bruce Wayne/Batman might appear eventually on #Batwoman producers say but WB has such a tight grip on the character. They did say that Burt Ward will make a cameo this season #SDCC


Cinemania World Podcast @ #SDCC
‏ @CinemaniaWorld
15m15 minutes ago

#Batwoman Panel Highlights:

· Villains from the Batman and Batwoman rogues gallery will appear along with new ones
· Tommy Elliot's #Hush will be in the show
· Possible Supergirl cameos
· Will explore more of Kate Kane's sexuality
· Bruce Wayne MIGHT be in the seasin

[Andrew NDB]

Ruby Rose lashes out at "old white men" as debut gets closer:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/25/ruby-rose-lashes-online-haters-batwoman-casting-10804760/

[Autbot_Benz]

Ruby Rose lashes out at "old white men" as debut gets closer:

https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/25/ruby-rose-lashes-online-haters-batwoman-casting-10804760/

I am a 32 not so old white man and I will not be watching this wokefest

[IMJ]

-raises hand- Also "old" white guy here (roll's eyes at this level of ********). I wouldn't even pirate this show. And I'd have faith in the silent majority of humanity to reject this show, but the CW zombies might keep it going for a while, even if they hate it.

Got to fight your addiction when it comes to BS. It always amazes me how being "inclusive" is somehow always so excluding of traditional people in today's climate....

[Leo656]

I picked up a bunch of her books when the character was fresh. I love the costume, so I was hoping that there'd be an actual "character" part to the character, and not just an awesome visual.

Nah. "I got kicked out of the Army because I'm gay, and I'm also Bruce Wayne's cousin, and I'm going to remind everyone reading about both of those things constantly." That's the entire gimmick. Altogether, very forgettable.

I have zero problem with anyone being gay. BUT. I feel that some people need to understand - and I'm trying to be as polite as I possibly can, here - if you're NOT gonna take a trip to "Chow Down Town" right in front of me for my own entertainment, I don't give a sh*t! And neither should anyone else. You don't need to keep reminding me who you prefer to go down on. Not unless you're offering me a show.

It's comical to me that many people who aren't straight will claim that they do NOT want to be solely defined by their sexual orientation... and yet, that's the only thing they ever want to talk about regarding themselves.

So yeah, based on the interviews I've read with her, Ruby Rose is a perfect fit for Batwoman. "I'm gay and I'm pissed off at straight dudes, and that's my entire personality. There is absolutely nothing else about me that's interesting." Perfect fit.
---------------

I will say, though that her recent neck injury sounds like a real bummer. Wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, I'll give it the Supergirl shake of 6 episodes or so... but I already know how it will go.

Like I said before, Batwoman seems like the magnum opus of what they've (I guess Guggenheim or whoever, who's gotten more and more clout even as all seasons of all shows have been bleeding millions of viewers between seasons?) been edging towards since the start of the Arrowverse.

I wouldn't even pirate this show.

lol... well...

[Leo656]

I'm kinda tapping out on live-action super-hero fiction going forward. There's absolutely nothing I want to see.

Literally all of it is going into race-flipping, gender-flipping, orientation-flipping, "Controversy Creates Cash/Let's Piss Off The Hardcore Fans and Then Call Them Nasty Names On Social Media" nonsense. I want none of it.

In like 2007, for five minutes, it looked like we were finally gonna get comic book movies and TV shows that people who actually read comic books would recognize. Because we never actually had that before, not ever. So we got, like, Batman Begins, Man of Steel, Iron Man, and the first Captain America flick, and those were great. But THEN someone came up with a new, more "marketable" idea: Make everything a zero-stakes cartoon, AND, go above and beyond to piss off "fanboys".

Because god forbid that the people who kept DC and Marvel in business for decades back when all this stuff was "for nerds" ever get a bone, right? No, yeah, just market everything to the same people who hated and ignored all this sh*t until it became trendy. That's fine. "Super-heroes are stupid." "Y'know Magneto is gonna be black in the reboot?" "What? Well, okay, THAT is cool, I wanna see that! I never cared one bit before but I certainly care a whole lot NOW!" :roll:

Like I said, I'm more or less done. The super-SJW approach to every single project nowadays absolutely reeks of desperation.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm kinda tapping out on live-action super-hero fiction going forward. There's absolutely nothing I want to see.

Literally all of it is going into race-flipping, gender-flipping, orientation-flipping, "Controversy Creates Cash/Let's Piss Off The Hardcore Fans and Then Call Them Nasty Names On Social Media" nonsense. I want none of it.

In like 2007, for five minutes, it looked like we were finally gonna get comic book movies and TV shows that people who actually read comic books would recognize. Because we never actually had that before, not ever. So we got, like, Batman Begins, Man of Steel, Iron Man, and the first Captain America flick, and those were great. But THEN someone came up with a new, more "marketable" idea: Make everything a zero-stakes cartoon, AND, go above and beyond to piss off "fanboys".

Because god forbid that the people who kept DC and Marvel in business for decades back when all this stuff was "for nerds" ever get a bone, right? No, yeah, just market everything to the same people who hated and ignored all this sh*t until it became trendy. That's fine. "Super-heroes are stupid." "Y'know Magneto is gonna be black in the reboot?" "What? Well, okay, THAT is cool, I wanna see that! I never cared one bit before but I certainly care a whole lot NOW!" :roll:

Like I said, I'm more or less done. The super-SJW approach to every single project nowadays absolutely reeks of desperation.

The more time that goes on and the more "product" comes out the more I share your view on this. It used to be a dash of this or that, IF that (and that's fine, if it suits and elevates the story)... but now it's like there's a guidebook they have to follow on a corporate level.

The future of CBMs did look great around 2007-2008.

[IMJ]

The more time that goes on and the more "product" comes out the more I share your view on this. It used to be a dash of this or that, IF that (and that's fine, if it suits and elevates the story)... but now it's like there's a guidebook they have to follow on a corporate level.

The future of CBMs did look great around 2007-2008.

I used to watch the Flash and Arrow and then I tried Supergirl for a while. There was an episode on Supergirl where this successful army/military girl (hottest girl on the show) delivers a line that says something like "I'm not going to spend my life working [in the military] for angry, old, white men".

I haven't watched an episode of that **** show since, and actually I think that line basically led to me giving up on all of those shows around that time.

[Vegita-San]

It's a shame to see how bad hollywood has gotten.

even if you're NOT political, it's a turn off with how much political things have become.

[Andrew NDB]

even if you're NOT political, it's a turn off with how much political things have become.

It's a turn off especially if you're not political.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's a shame to see how bad hollywood has gotten.

even if you're NOT political, it's a turn off with how much political things have become.

It's not that it's political, it's that the political stances are combative.

Think about it. Birds of Prey as a concept is itself political... a bunch of women fighting together. You don't need to lampshade it and crow "Oh holy crap, here a bunch of women! And what's more, they're BETTER than a bunch of men!"

Just let them be. Let the action, the film, speak for itself.

Same for a lesbian Batwoman. Or a black Green Lantern. Or anything.

Look at the Wonder Woman movie. That was a damn political movie, flying in the face of Hollywood's longstanding "girls can't frontline comic book movies because Catwoman and Electra." Nowhere did Wonder Woman say "grow a vagina" or something inane.

[Autbot_Benz]

UajKZHBjukY

[Autbot_Benz]

https://collider.com/rachel-maddow-j...source=twitter

Rachel Maddow joins the cast as Vesper Fairchild a snarky news anchor/radio personality in Gotham

[Andrew NDB]

https://collider.com/rachel-maddow-j...source=twitter

Rachel Maddow joins the cast as Vesper Fairchild a snarky news anchor/radio personality in Gotham

LOL... I can't... I just can't... :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://collider.com/rachel-maddow-j...source=twitter

Rachel Maddow joins the cast as Vesper Fairchild a snarky news anchor/radio personality in Gotham

Wow. Subtle! :tlol:

[Leo656]

Holy sh*t, now I'm definitely never watching this sh*t.

There are few "celebrities" I'd rather give a Spike Piledriver to than that smug-ass giraffe.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, remember I said I'd give it the Supergirl shake of 6 or so episodes? Now, no f***ing way. That woman is like Kryptonite on my ears.

[Autbot_Benz]

I was never gonna give this show a shot because it comes off much more woke/SJW than Supergirl. Also the constant disrespect to Batman is a huge turn off too. Which is sad as She was tolerable in the Crossover last year

[Leo656]

Yeah, remember I said I'd give it the Supergirl shake of 6 or so episodes? Now, no f***ing way. That woman is like Kryptonite on my ears.

My wife's father spends all night getting drunk watching Maddow and screaming about how someone should put a bullet in Trump's head, then he either picks fights with the neighbors OR terrorizes all of us after he's all drunk and riled up. Therefore I hold Rachel Maddow personally responsible for about 80% of the inconveniences currently happening in my life.

Her and her George Clooney "chin tuck/head bobble/tsk tsk tsk" bullsh*t. Seriously, every time I see her face on TV, I know we're about two hours away from the cops having to show up.

That, and "Such and such is actually happening... IN 2019!" :lol: Every day. YES, Rachel, things are indeed happening in 2019, the year in which we currently live. Good catch. :roll:

[Xav]

https://collider.com/rachel-maddow-j...source=twitter

Rachel Maddow joins the cast as Vesper Fairchild a snarky news anchor/radio personality in GothamAnd she's playing a character who's been romantically involved with both Bruce Wayne and Oliver Queen. :roll:

[Voltron]

Please no politics.

[ZariusTwo]

And she's playing a character who's been romantically involved with both Bruce Wayne and Oliver Queen. :roll:

And was fridged if I recall.

Maybe they'll adapt the "Bruce Wayne: Fugitive" storyline, but swap out Bruce with Kate?

[Leo656]

Please no politics.

Huh. Nobody was.

Unless we're now not even allowed to say we find a TV personality insufferable. Which would be pretty weird.

Maddow could be a weather girl and she'd still be one of the most annoying people on television. The fact that she's responsible for needlessly riling people up on a daily basis is unfortunate, but it's not the entire reason why she's obnoxiously irritating. She's irritating independent of that. I just find her gossip-mongering especially irritating because it negatively affects me personally.

Of course, she'd never make it as a weather girl because she's got a real face for radio, if y'know what I mean. :lol: I guess that's why her role as Vesper is, so far, a voice-only role. Makes sense. She doesn't exactly fit the "CW" mold, after all.

[Andrew NDB]

Where are you guys seeing that it is voice only?

[oldmanwinters]

My wife's father spends all night getting drunk ... screaming ... then he either picks fights with the neighbors OR terrorizes all of us after he's all drunk and riled up.

Yikes. That's some crazy stuff. And in 2019, even!

[Leo656]

Where are you guys seeing that it is voice only?

I just got home and I'm tired so I'm not gonna play detective, but all the articles I read about it yesterday said that, at least for now, Vesper will only be heard but not seen. There were at least three that I read. One might've been ScreenRant.

Yikes. That's some crazy stuff. And in 2019, even!

Literally right now he's watching her on TV downstairs and screaming "Shoot Trump in the head!" :lol: Rational people! On the right side of history, for sure! :lol::lol::lol:
---------------------

Anyways, yeah, I read that Rachel as Vesper isn't going to be seen on camera, at least at first. Which makes sense, because Vesper Fairchild looks like this, at least sometimes:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/LaEAAOSw66JcN~Gb/s-l300.jpg
.......Ohhhh yeah, dead ringer. :lol: Nailed it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I just got home and I'm tired so I'm not gonna play detective, but all the articles I read about it yesterday said that, at least for now, Vesper will only be heard but not seen. There were at least three that I read. One might've been ScreenRant.



Literally right now he's watching her on TV downstairs and screaming "Shoot Trump in the head!" :lol: Rational people! On the right side of history, for sure! :lol::lol::lol:
---------------------

Anyways, yeah, I read that Rachel as Vesper isn't going to be seen on camera, at least at first. Which makes sense, because Vesper Fairchild looks like this, at least sometimes:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/LaEAAOSw66JcN~Gb/s-l300.jpg
.......Ohhhh yeah, dead ringer. :lol: Nailed it.

That's some great Maddow fan art right there. :tlol:

[Autbot_Benz]

Tonight's the night. "Supergirl I am the only lefty preachy SJW show on the CW" Batwoman "hold my beer"

[ZariusTwo]

Newsarama gave the pilot 6/10. Strap in, it's gonna get bumpy.

[Autbot_Benz]

I watched the pilot out of sheer boredom and its not as Woke as the Trailers were. Its pretty ok its worth the 6/10 people are giving it

[Voltron]

Huh. Nobody was.

Unless we're now not even allowed to say we find a TV personality insufferable. Which would be pretty weird.

Maddow could be a weather girl and she'd still be one of the most annoying people on television. The fact that she's responsible for needlessly riling people up on a daily basis is unfortunate, but it's not the entire reason why she's obnoxiously irritating. She's irritating independent of that. I just find her gossip-mongering especially irritating because it negatively affects me personally.

Of course, she'd never make it as a weather girl because she's got a real face for radio, if y'know what I mean. :lol: I guess that's why her role as Vesper is, so far, a voice-only role. Makes sense. She doesn't exactly fit the "CW" mold, after all.

I was referring to the "putting a bullet in Trump's head" thing. I understand it's anecdotal, and that it wasn't meant to stir any ire, but some might see it as an opportunity to go off on a tangent.

As difficult as this is going to be, it's best to try and refrain from throwing out political names as much as possible.

As far as Maddow bashing goes, have at it. That was never part of the no politics rule, and fair game.

[Andrew NDB]

It had the lowest lowest number of viewers of any Arrowverse premiere:

https://www.newsarama.com/47331-cw-s-batwoman-debuted-with-1-8-million-viewers.html

[IMJ]

It had the lowest lowest number of viewers of any Arrowverse premiere:

https://www.newsarama.com/47331-cw-s-batwoman-debuted-with-1-8-million-viewers.html

https://i.imgur.com/YXYo7OQ.jpg

[TommyT]

Saw the first episode last night. It is impossible to watch, even worse than wrestling.

[Cure]

https://i.imgur.com/ta3kqiJ.jpg

That was Season 1 Episode 10, and Supergirl wasn't even on CW then. It was on CBS. Fact checking matterrrrs.

[Andrew NDB]

CBS owns CW (well, along with WB). And weren't the same producers on it even then?

[Cure]

Sure, I guess, but wrong is wrong.

[IMJ]

Sure, I guess, but wrong is wrong.

You're right. Wrong is wrong. Just like the message of that show.
I'll go ahead and amend the graphic to add the zero that was mis-typed and we'll say "showrunners" or something. Then it will be right, and the message will be the same.


https://i.imgur.com/YXYo7OQ.jpg

[Sumac]

Is that an actual line in the series?

[Leo656]

Yes it was. I actually caught that one. I hated the show from the first episode but my wife watched it for a while, so I caught some bits here and there. Even she thought that bit was heavy-handed and embarrassing.

[Andrew NDB]

Yes it was. I actually caught that one. I hated the show from the first episode but my wife watched it for a while, so I caught some bits here and there. Even she thought that bit was heavy-handed and embarrassing.

Don't lie. You're a devout Supergirl CW fan.

[Leo656]

I couldn't even tell you when it's on, brother.

I gave the first three episodes the ol' college try, and Melissa Benoist is a good Supergirl, but the writing itself is dreck.

Not to mention their terrible portrayal of Superman, and how he only exists on the show at all to "put her over". You know about me and the Man Of Steel. You really think I'd get through actually watching that kinda sh*t without putting a brick through my TV? :lol:

Plus the entire point of the show is the whole "Chicks Rule, Boys Drool" thing; that was clear from the very first episode, and has allegedly gotten worse (my wife doesn't actually even watch it anymore, and hasn't in forever). I'm an outspoken misogynist, for f*ck's sake. Yes, I have a lot of female friends, but I don't hide my opinions about the natural "Pecking Order". People can take that or leave it, I really don't care. But c'mon... you couldn't possibly expect me to sit through This Sh*t, guy.

Next you'll be telling people I watch "Smallville". I won't tolerate that kind of slander, sir. I'd be less offended if you implied I had sex with Jack O'Lanterns... Because I probably would rather do that than willingly watch "Supergirl". 50/50.

........70/30 if it's Halloween and I'm drunk.

[Autbot_Benz]

I couldn't even tell you when it's on, brother.

I gave the first three episodes the ol' college try, and Melissa Benoist is a good Supergirl, but the writing itself is dreck.

Not to mention their terrible portrayal of Superman, and how he only exists on the show at all to "put her over". You know about me and the Man Of Steel. You really think I'd get through actually watching that kinda sh*t without putting a brick through my TV? :lol:

Plus the entire point of the show is the whole "Chicks Rule, Boys Drool" thing; that was clear from the very first episode, and has allegedly gotten worse (my wife doesn't actually even watch it anymore, and hasn't in forever). I'm an outspoken misogynist, for f*ck's sake. Yes, I have a lot of female friends, but I don't hide my opinions about the natural "Pecking Order". People can take that or leave it, I really don't care. But c'mon... you couldn't possibly expect me to sit through This Sh*t, guy.

Next you'll be telling people I watch "Smallville". I won't tolerate that kind of slander, sir. I'd be less offended if you implied I had sex with Jack O'Lanterns... Because I probably would rather do that than willingly watch "Supergirl". 50/50.

........70/30 if it's Halloween and I'm drunk.

They moved Supergirl to Sunday's at 9pm Batwoman is 8pm they are keeping the female shows all on sunday

[Leo656]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/61/8e/17/618e17a93cb33f9af82e66fdd369e80a.gif

[Xav]

"‘Batwoman’ Is Getting IMDB And Rotten Tomato Review Bombed For Its Lesbian Lead" (https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2019/10/09/batwoman-is-getting-imdb-and-rotten-tomato-review-bombed-for-its-lesbian-lead/#48f58aa69185)

[Sumac]

They moved Supergirl to Sunday's at 9pm Batwoman is 8pm they are keeping the female shows all on sunday
Sunday is Female? :ohwell:

"‘Batwoman’ Is Getting IMDB And Rotten Tomato Review Bombed For Its Lesbian Lead" (https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2019/10/09/batwoman-is-getting-imdb-and-rotten-tomato-review-bombed-for-its-lesbian-lead/#48f58aa69185)
In a wise words of Krang: "Excuses, excuses...".

I wanted to watch it, exactly because of Lesbian lead, but since it is seemingly a base level propaganda with lousy quality, I won't waste my time on this.

[IMJ]

Is that an actual line in the series?

Yup, as cited in the episode and time stamp in the graphic (hopefully to Cure's contentment, although I doubt altruism was her intended message regarding the CW correction).

[Cure]

Yup, as cited in the episode and time stamp in the graphic (hopefully to Cure's contentment, although I doubt altruism was her intended message regarding the CW correction).

"Her", eh? I've reached GK status without even doing it on purpose.

[Shark_Blade]

I’m surprised CyberCubed is not in this thread/watching this show what with all his cravings for lesbian action.

[Leo656]

Saw the first episode last night. It is impossible to watch, even worse than wrestling.

This statement intrigues me.

Because as someone who occasionally wrestles in between bouts of major spinal trauma, I can attest that wrestling is so stupid that it gives anyone who watches it brain damage.

... Actually, no, yeah, this show looks worse. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

This statement intrigues me.

Because as someone who occasionally wrestles in between bouts of major spinal trauma, I can attest that wrestling is so stupid that it gives anyone who watches it brain damage.

... Actually, no, yeah, this show looks worse. :lol:

You had me worried there for a second.

I wanted to watch it, exactly because of Lesbian lead, but since it is seemingly a base level propaganda with lousy quality, I won't waste my time on this.

I would have definitely checked it out (well, prior to the Maddow "bombshell," as she would say) but the marketing angle is really hard to ignore. Time is a precious commodity and it's bit like renting a room for an hour where I know for a FACT that there is a man in there waiting for me to punch me in the face for the whole duration. I'm not into that sort of thing.

[Sumac]

I would have definitely checked it out (well, prior to the Maddow "bombshell," as she would say) but the marketing angle is really hard to ignore. Time is a precious commodity and it's bit like renting a room for an hour where I know for a FACT that there is a man in there waiting for me to punch me in the face for the whole duration. I'm not into that sort of thing.
Indeed, I have bunch of series, I want to catch up to like Stargate: Atlantis, last season of iZombie, Captain Powers and Soldiers of Future. :roll:

[Autbot_Benz]

Episode 2 was alright. we had a whole episode that didn't do the CW Political/ Men bad Women are good thing. Those Batwomen Trailers were really misleading. Episode 3 she dons her actual costume.

[IMJ]

Episode 2 was alright. we had a whole episode that didn't do the CW Political/ Men bad Women are good thing. Those Batwomen Trailers were really misleading. Episode 3 she dons her actual costume.

If you are watching this show out of legit interest in the material, then that's cool.

But if you are watching it as a casual curiosity or for the train wreck, or basically any other reason than your own pure interest in the material, don't reward Hollywood or the CW with the viewership when they pull their nonsense.

Resist your addictions, people. Don't disagree with a position and then still fork over the money under the false argument of "making a fair judgement". When someone tells you to do that you are being manipulated and that person is calling you dumb.

But again, if you are watching it out of pure interest, then that's your thing. -shrugs-

Just a point of convo.

[Andrew NDB]

Indeed, I have bunch of series, I want to catch up to like Stargate: Atlantis, last season of iZombie, Captain Powers and Soldiers of Future. :roll:

Or rewatching "Perfect Strangers" episodes. Or reorganizing my sock drawer. Or anything.

If you are watching this show out of legit interest in the material, then that's cool.

But if you are watching it as a casual curiosity or for the train wreck, or basically any other reason than your own pure interest in the material, don't reward Hollywood or the CW with the viewership when they pull their nonsense.

Resist your addictions, people. Don't disagree with a position and then still fork over the money under the false argument of "making a fair judgement". When someone tells you to do that you are being manipulated and that person is calling you dumb.

But again, if you are watching it out of pure interest, then that's your thing. -shrugs-

Just a point of convo.

Or at least have the common decency to pirate the thing.

[IMJ]

Or at least have the common decency to pirate the thing.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!! :lol:

[Autbot_Benz]

Batwoman getting full 22 episode season 1

https://tvline.com/2019/10/25/batwoman-full-season-1-order-episode-count-the-cw/

[Andrew NDB]

It's not looking good, though. The premiere episode only had 1.86 million viewers and it's already dropped down to 1.23.

To compare, Arrow started at 3.7 million viewers and its cancellation was announced during the middle of its last season in which it averaged... 1.2 million viewers.

Batwoman's present RT audience score is 12%. By comparison, Supergirl's is at 51%.

[Autbot_Benz]

They need to recast the lead. Ruby Rose is a terrible actress. She can't emote and delivers every line in the same monotone voice.

[Andrew NDB]

Shesus... several episodes in now Batwoman's audience score is still laying low at 12%.

https://rottentomatoes.com/tv/batwoman/s01

Supergirl is still at 51%:

https://rottentomatoes.com/tv/supergirl

[Vegita-San]

twas 9%v at one point

[oldmanwinters]

several episodes in now Batwoman's audience score is still laying low at 12%.

https://rottentomatoes.com/tv/batwoman/s01

That's lower than a politician's approval rating! :tlol:

But I'll speak no more of that.

No one should disrespect the mantle of the Bat. It is literal perfection.

The 72% Critical Score humors me.

[IMJ]

The 72% Critical Score humors me.

-fist pump-

[oldmanwinters]

-fist pump-

43 "certified" critics vs. 6,791 commoners from the mass populace.

The proverbial "1%" reference doesn't even begin to do this one justice.

[IMJ]

43 "certified" critics vs. 6,791 commoners from the mass populace.

The proverbial "1%" reference doesn't even begin to do this one justice.

Critics were more reliable back when it was only Siskel and Ebert.

[Leo656]

Been seeing more and more of this kind of disparity, lately, with regard to movies, TV and entertainment in general.

Critics: "This thing is wonderful because it tells the audience exactly what they're supposed to think and believe! Highly recommend."

Regular People: "Yeah, I don't actually like people telling me what I'm 'supposed' to think, so take this thing and cram it."

Very interesting.

[Sumac]

Basically any authoritarian state ever.
It is sad that it happens to previously free and progressive Western world.

[Autbot_Benz]

Well from last night's Episode we found out

Lucious Fox is dead he was murdered in a bank robbery.

Gordon is not Commissioner its Commissioner Forbes instead.

They name Dropped Jack Napier aka The Joker and Mayor Cobblepot

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like ratings continue to plummet. 2 weeks ago it was at 1.16 million, now it's down to 1.09.

So yeah, right about at the same mark when CW announced that season 8 of Arrow would be Arrow's final season. Though Black Lightning got renewed for season 3 when it was just pulling 0.9s and 0.8s... and now is pulling 0.6s and 0.5s in the new season.

[CyberCubed]

It probably doesn't help most people don't watch these shows on TV, they watch it illegally online.

[Autbot_Benz]

Though Black Lightning got renewed for season 3 when it was just pulling 0.9s and 0.8s... and now is pulling 0.6s and 0.5s in the new season.

which is a damn shame cause Season 3 of Black Lightning is really good. people are sleeping on it.

Also Alfred's Daughter is coming to Batwoman

https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/11/12/batwoman-spoilers-episode-7-alfred-pennyworth-daughter-julia-photos/

The photo showcase an unexpected character who will be joining the series' ensemble -- Julia Pennyworth (The Royals' Christina Wolfe), the daughter of Batman's loyal butler, Alfred. Wolfe's take on Julia is described as a "crafty and quick-witted British secret service agent", who "shares a complicated past with Kate Kane (Ruby Rose), which impedes her mission as the two set sights on the same target."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

which is a damn shame cause Season 3 of Black Lightning is really good. people are sleeping on it.

Also Alfred's Daughter is coming to Batwoman

https://comicbook.com/dc/2019/11/12/batwoman-spoilers-episode-7-alfred-pennyworth-daughter-julia-photos/

The photo showcase an unexpected character who will be joining the series' ensemble -- Julia Pennyworth (The Royals' Christina Wolfe), the daughter of Batman's loyal butler, Alfred. Wolfe's take on Julia is described as a "crafty and quick-witted British secret service agent", who "shares a complicated past with Kate Kane (Ruby Rose), which impedes her mission as the two set sights on the same target."

I actually expected this once I read Gordon wasn't around and Lucius was dead. No Alfred, but Batwoman won't resist bringing in their own Pennyworth... called it. :tlol:

Hell, now that Arrow is over, one of the CW shows needs to step up and take over the title of "We Use All of Batman's Villains and Supporting Characters Because We Don't Give a $hit About Source Material." :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

Also Alfred's Daughter is coming to Batwoman

Of course she is.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Of course she is.

But the real question is, does she prefer sausage or clam chowder?

[Autbot_Benz]

Season 2 announced on Twitter

[ZariusTwo]

Season 2 announced on Twitter

Clearly only getting by on woke points, hollywood are too stubborn to admit failure.

[Andrew NDB]

Season 2 announced on Twitter

I don't get it. It already lost half its audience and surely won't even be able to hold onto a measly 1 million viewers when it comes back from hiatus. Is this just Wokenheim and the CW cutting off their nose to spite their face?

[Autbot_Benz]

I don't get it. It already lost half its audience and surely won't even be able to hold onto a measly 1 million viewers when it comes back from hiatus. Is this just Wokenheim and the CW cutting off their nose to spite their face?

who knows I think it should have been cancelled. I know fans are pissed off how Batwoman pushed and killed Kevin Conroy's Bruce in Crisis.

[CyberCubed]

TV ratings aren't really important anymore and haven't been as the 2010's decade went on, it's probably making advertising revenue back in online streaming. I think people need to realize this isn't the 90's or early 2000's anymore, shows don't live or die based on TV ratings anymore like they used to.

[Leo656]

You talk like you either work in TV or know people who do.

I'm gonna wager that you actually don't, but guess who does know? ME! I know people in TV (and even more who are ON TV)! Sometimes we chitchat! I learn things! It's pretty awesome. They're rich and I'm not but that's neither here nor there; we still talk, and I try and pay attention because it just stands to reason, they probably know a lot or they wouldn't be where they are, right?

TV ratings absolutely still matter, because of advertising. Advertising is the only reason there is content. Everyone is trying to find the magical solution that will eliminate advertising, but that's never going to happen. And advertisers still rely more on TV numbers than those of streaming to gauge how many eyes are on their product, because it's more concrete data. It's definitely not like it used to be, where a 1.0 rating automatically equaled about two million viewers, or whatever the numbers were back in the 90s, but it still gives you a much more solid idea than relying on the numbers from online and streaming. Thanks to piracy and such, if you're only relying on the number of subscribers actually paying to watch, you frankly don't know anything. You can, at best, get a vague idea.

Plus, we're still not at that magical tipping point where MORE people are watching content via streaming than on TV. We may not get there for a long time, if ever. People are already joking that, with so many competing subscription services, "One day someone's just gonna combine 'em all, and you'll just pay for ONE service that gives you everything!" Which already exists, it's called cable/satellite television. :lol: Point of the joke being, it's not a perfect system and we're not as far along as some people may think.

Rest assured, TV ratings absolutely do still matter. They don't mean exactly what they used to, and companies ARE factoring in the effect of streaming and downloads and such, but TV ratings are still the most consistently accurate way to measure, or at least estimate, how many people are watching your product.

I'm not sure who gives you your data. Rest assured, though, people who get paid a lot more than you or I are tasked with making sense of this stuff, and ensuring that the "grading curve" keeps up with the times. That's entirely their job. And Those People say that TV ratings still matter, they just don't mean the same thing they did 15 or 20 years ago.

[Autbot_Benz]

Hush is coming next week

https://i.imgur.com/CBxTirO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pyzqRpE.jpg

[Andrew NDB]

lol... even with "everyone" locked down at home with little to do but watch TV, and Batwoman still dropped 200,000 viewers from March to land at 673,000 this last episode.

Surprisingly (but also not so surprisingly), Supergirl is even further in the toilet at only 600,000.

[Autbot_Benz]

Bruce Wayne is officially in Batwoman played by Warren Christie.

https://www.cbr.com/batwoman-bruce-wayne-warren-christie/?utm_content=buffer1aa56&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=CBR-TW&utm_campaign=CBR-TW

Though in the episode its Hush pretending to be Bruce

The episode makes it out the bad guys need the Kryptonite shard cause its the only thing that can pierce the batsuit which makes no ****ing sense.

[Autbot_Benz]

Ruby Rose is out as Batwoman she is leaving and Batwoman will be recast for Season 2.

Good Riddance Rose is a bland actress

https://deadline.com/2020/05/ruby-rose-exits-batwoman-dc-the-cw-series-to-recast-iconic-lead-role-season-2-shocker-shakeup-1202938863/

[Leo656]

That is so strange. They made so much noise about her, and her specifically, as if they almost wouldn't have even done the show without her. Weird.

I don't care about the show itself but I'd be interested in knowing what happened, there.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That is so strange. They made so much noise about her, and her specifically, as if they almost wouldn't have even done the show without her. Weird.

I don't care about the show itself but I'd be interested in knowing what happened, there.

Agreed. Very, very interesting.

If it was related to her neck injury earlier in the season, they would have said that.

[neatoman]

So are they gonna replace Kate with Babs or something? I wonder how EFAP feels about this...

[Autbot_Benz]

So are they gonna replace Kate with Babs or something? I wonder how EFAP feels about this...

nope new actress to play Kate/Batwoman.

[neatoman]

nope new actress to play Kate/Batwoman.

So are they gonna go James Bond here and not explain why she changed or Doctor Who and overexplain it?

[Autbot_Benz]

So are they gonna go James Bond here and not explain why she changed or Doctor Who and overexplain it?

who knows its the first time CW has had to recast one of their superhero leads. I am sure they will pull something out of their ass to explain it

[Andrew NDB]

who knows its the first time CW has had to recast one of their superhero leads. I am sure they will pull something out of their ass to explain it

They probably won't explain it at all.

What a garbage show.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

They probably won't explain it at all.

What a garbage show.

What a garbage network.

[ZariusTwo]

They probably won't explain it at all.

What a garbage show.

Just say it was a late phase of the Crisis ripple effect.

People forget this, but In the comics, it did take just a bit longer before Superman rebooted with Byrne during the post-crisis period

[Sumac]

How many chances they will hire a trans (wo)man to play this role to be especially progressive?

Otherwise would be fun to see if they hire another Lesbian actress, since they've made so much noise about "hurr durr, our Lesbian heroine played by a REAL Lesbian, TOTEZ".

[TMNTFanatic4Life]

Considering they never explained why Sara Lance looked different in the pilot episode of Arrow vs her appearance in season 2 and onward....they probably wont explain why Kate Kane looks different in season 2.

Unless they explain that she had a accident that caused bad damage to her face [off screen] and they fix it with one of those face masks to change her appearance like its been done on the show already.

[Leo656]

I'm just curious as to what led to this. You don't often see a lead actor get replaced period, but especially not with one of these shows.

Part of me suspects that she's too thin-skinned to handle the stuff people say about her on the internet. One would hope otherwise, but it kinda fits the MO, doesn't it? I mean, she's one of those people who was "bullied off of Twitter" so I can see it.

((Shrug)) Yet another case of the behind-the-scenes stuff being far more intriguing than the product. Happening a lot nowadays.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Part of me suspects that she's too thin-skinned to handle the stuff people say about her on the internet. One would hope otherwise, but it kinda fits the MO, doesn't it? I mean, she's one of those people who was "bullied off of Twitter" so I can see it.

I wondered if this was the case, too, but I certainly hope it wasn't. You're on people's TV screens, entertaining them for a living, and yet you want to be thinskinned?

Granted, I haven't seen any potential complaints and insults because I don't follow the show. But at this point, doesn't everybody in media know what they're getting into? Everybody makes fanboy jokes, so you can't really plead ignorance.

If I were pulling in CW lead actor money, you can bet I'd dry my tears with $100 bills and keep going!

[Leo656]

Fair point, BUT - and this is me painting a lot of people with one brush again - human beings of an extremely liberal persuasion do tend to wear their skin inside-out. We've seen it A LOT over the last five years.

It's like a certain group of entertainers only get into it for the praise, and when they get criticized, suddenly the job is too hard.

Like I said, this is just speculation. But when I heard the news about her quitting that's the first thing that jumped to mind.

[sdp]

In cases like these it's best not to explain why the actor changed, the MCU certainly didn't, why should this? For purposes of the show it's the same character, it's rare the shows acknowledge it unless it's a different character like say passing the torch, only shows that have acknowledged it are Big Bad Beetleborgs / Metallix (https://miscrave.com/articles/beetleborgs/) and dr who.

[Leo656]

True, but in this case they basically threw the actor in question a parade upon signing, both sides went on and on about what a perfect fit it was... And then she quits.

The circumstances surrounding the whole situation is why more people would be curious than normal. They made so much noise over her, specifically, being on the show. Obviously people are going to wonder.

We'll probably hear all about it one day, but probably not until the show ends.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Like I said, this is just speculation. But when I heard the news about her quitting that's the first thing that jumped to mind.

Same here.

[TMNTFanatic4Life]

I'm just curious as to what led to this. You don't often see a lead actor get replaced period, but especially not with one of these shows.

Part of me suspects that she's too thin-skinned to handle the stuff people say about her on the internet. One would hope otherwise, but it kinda fits the MO, doesn't it? I mean, she's one of those people who was "bullied off of Twitter" so I can see it.

((Shrug)) Yet another case of the behind-the-scenes stuff being far more intriguing than the product. Happening a lot nowadays.

You're probably right about her being too thin skin to handle the stuff. That and perhaps the role was too draining on her physically and mentally....I dont say this to paint her in negative light because we all handle things differently.

She didnt even the attend the comic con last year for the show being the main lead.

[Leo656]

Like I know she got hurt and that's a valid reason, but they seem pretty adamant that is not the reason. So who knows? I'm just spitballing.