Fred Wolf series City at War?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

If the Fred Wolf series adapted City at War (let's say around season 8), how do you think the story would be? And how would you want such episode(s)?

Would it involve Big Louie and his mob? Shredder going to Japan and rerecruiting Human ninjas (as he had no Technodrome access between "Shredder Triumphant" and "Turtle Trek")?

[neatoman]

While the mere idea of FW CAW sounds awful, I have one idea:

Karai shows up and sees how incompetent Shredder is. She kicks him out of the Technodrome and starts evaluating its worth. All the generic mad scientists find out Shredder is not active and pull their cliche cartoon villainy at once, the war so to speak. Turtles agree to help Shredder take back the Technodrome. When they arrive, Karai has already stripped it of part, realising it was worthless junk. Krang has been turned into calamari, Bebop roasted pig and Rocksteady's horn has been sold as a miracle cure in China town (he died of an infection). Karai tells the Turtles she'll keep the mad scientists at bay if they don't mess with her, to which they agree. They all have a good time while eating Bebop and Krang. Shredder, now reduced to a completely harmless hobo, dies of disease in an alley.

[Wesley]

I guess a loose adaptation of City at War could have worked in the Red Sky seasons after Shredder was banished to Dimension X. The story could’ve just been all the Fred Wolf gangsters in a gang war for control of the criminal underworld.

[MikeandRaph87]

I wrote a treatment for this. It is set as a continuation of the cartoon. Shredder and Krang were captured in Dimension X opening the power vaccum of the underworld. There were three factions. The plot would start off with a alow build of the consolidated underworld gaining power under Big Louie. Don Turteli is his scheming righthand firced under Big Louie. Turteli's gimmick and ineffectiveness caused him to be swallowed. Soon it is learned the strategic turnaround was because of a supplier to Louie, Dregg who wants to take New York City as his first step in conqering the planet.

Meanwhile Bebop and Rocksteady are trying to find Shredder and Krang with the dimensional portal, but comes across the dimension Alpha-1 was trapped in. Alpha-1 upgrades the Foot and would challenge Dregg after he emerges from the shadows.

Finally, Rat King serves as a wildcard. He has a quartet of ninjas mutated into rats. These poor youths are of Lotus Blossom's academy and the unstable nature of their mutations is the same as Irma and Vernon from an earlier episode.

Shredder and Krang breaking free of their custody in Demension X and entering the conflict would end it. After Rat King is dealt with by the Turtles Shredder will challenge Dregg to to a sword fight. After an intense duel Shredder would prove to be the superior fighter. The hyper-intelligent Alpha-1 would be tricked with his ego by Krang and brought the Technodrome to Earth and the bomb he used to free the Technodrome blow him up for good. Dregg and Shredder in the Dreadnaught would have a bomb of Alpha-1's design in his attempt of eliminating competition. Shredder is able to escape through a portal before the Dreggnaught blows up in the upper atmosphere. This ends the threat of Dregg and Alpha-1 and gives both Shredder and Krang a sense of victory. The Technodrome however while on Earth lands in the Amazonian rainforest.


That is the summary of a three part story I worked out. I titled it, " Underworld at War" each with a subtitle. Part 1 is "Mob Rising", Part 2 is "Night of The Ninja-Rats" and Part 3 is " Duel of Egos". There was lead up before it such as Big Louie's rise to the top spot of the underworld with help of a mysterious backer.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Alpha-1 was trapped

Interesting! Where would you have Alpha 1 trapped?

[cammy85]

My version of Season 11 began with Splinter and the Turtles going to Japan so Splinter could be restored to normal and lead a new Foot Clan now that Shredder has been MIA for some time. Unfortunately Shredder has returned from Dimension X and tries again to usurp this leadership and has the group thrown in jail. They do escape along with some renegade ninjas but the Turtles stop Shredder the right way and as the police arrive to arrest him for this and his many other crimes, he lept to his apparent death at a waterfall.

Soon after, NYC's gangsters learn of Shredder's passing and try to get what he owed them (never mind when he was MIA in Dimension X) so they commit a series of robberies in their search for Shredder, eventually recruiting Professor Sopho to lead them to Dimension X. Upon arriving, they manage to liberate the Technodrome and attempt to return it to Earth. Oh, and the Turtles are in the story too and stop them just in time.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Is anyone interested in playing Fred Wolf City at War at the RPG section? Instead of s controlling different characters, one will start writing, and then anyone can take over (and you can always return to write more), to avoid waiting. Just make sure we reboot Karai for the Fred Wolf series, so the turtles don't know her from start.

[MikeandRaph87]

Interesting! Where would you have Alpha 1 trapped?

A void between dimensions. I envisioned it as the place we saw in Ninja Sword To Nowhere. Bebop and Rocksteady have the Technodrome to themselves and while no one to boss them around may be fun for a brief period know it is their duty to find their superiors. They know how to activate the portal, but no idea how to find the correct frequency let alone coordinates of the Nuetrino prision. I put their intelligence/compendence on par with season 8.

I also did have Alpha-1 destroyed outright and Dregg killed off.

[sdp]

You trollin' Andrew good :lol:

[The-Shredder]

The closest thing to City at War in my opinion is "Night of the Rogues" because it's where we see most of the main villains in one episode, but other than that, I can't remember any episodes where the villains were at war with each other.

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[sdp]

I hated that that woman from the arcade was in night of the rogues, the OT had plenty of other rogues they could've used why waste it on a one off villain that not only was lame but was even destroyed by the end of her own episode.

I guess we can retcon her into being Viral of Fast Forward.

[MikeandRaph87]

I hated that that woman from the arcade was in night of the rogues, the OT had plenty of other rogues they could've used why waste it on a one off villain that not only was lame but was even destroyed by the end of her own episode.

I guess we can retcon her into being Viral of Fast Forward.

I hated her and Zack's involvement. David Wise said Zack was included because the Turtles trust of humans was an issue in the episode and the Turtles have limited human allies. Let alone effective allies that fight alongside them. Tempestra I wrote a backstroy for,but she has not business being in this episode. General Tragg, Groundchuck and Dirtbag were all great candidates for inclusion in this episode.


I also do not see this thread as trolling Mirage Purist,but I have a genuine idea of incorporation while making it work. I do not see a Northampton, fall back spot fitting into the 1987 cartoon. However, I do prefer there not be a fallback spot as its the one version aside from the somewhat inspired Archie Comics that did not have the Turtles Lair completely uncovered and forced them to relocate. Turtles Forever is not cannon so that fact remains.

[wpugh2424]

While I don't have time right now to write a long speculative post
I think the only way this would have worked is in the red seasons. Would have fit the most at this timeframe imo
Hope one day we get an adult based tmnt series adapted straight from comics

[Andrew NDB]

You trollin' Andrew good :lol:

You act like I even look at these threads. I... oh...

[AquaParade]

I'd love to see a straight up direct adaption of City at War using the Fred Wolf models, animation, and voice actors.

It'd be strange as hell and would never happen, but I'd be loving it.

I think the core appeal to me is just seeing the Fred Wolf series taken up a notch in tone. The intro always looked colorful and action-packed, yet... even a little edgy with the heavy use of shadows. Then the show starts up and you remember that it's actually pretty damn goofy (in it's own great way).

[MikeandRaph87]

We could always get direct to DVD animated films akin to DC Original Animated Movies and City At War could be an easy to pick out storyline to do. The question would be how violent would it be allowed to be and would it interest those of us not interested in the black and white comics? I liked the 2003 cartoon adaptation good enough.

Also, going back to my concept I believe Karai does not need to be an essential element since she did not appear in the 1987 cartoon and I do believe a storyline like City At War could fit into that version of TMNT.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

question would be how violent would it be allowed to be.

Maybe like the Red Sky seasons or 4 Kids series? Animated Batman had already begun by 1992-1993 when Mirage Studios' City at War was published.

[pferreira]

I think a City at War arc would have fit perfectly into the Red Sky era. Seasons 8-10 were very seralised so a continuing story would have worked absolutely no doubt.

Karai shows up and sees how incompetent Shredder is. She kicks him out of the Technodrome and starts evaluating its worth. All the generic mad scientists find out Shredder is not active and pull their cliche cartoon villainy at once, the war so to speak. Turtles agree to help Shredder take back the Technodrome. When they arrive, Karai has already stripped it of part, realising it was worthless junk. Krang has been turned into calamari, Bebop roasted pig and Rocksteady's horn has been sold as a miracle cure in China town (he died of an infection). Karai tells the Turtles she'll keep the mad scientists at bay if they don't mess with her, to which they agree. They all have a good time while eating Bebop and Krang. Shredder, now reduced to a completely harmless hobo, dies of disease in an alley.Y'know just because you see 'post reply' doesn't always mean it's a good idea to post. ;)

[Utrommaniac]

I hated that that woman from the arcade was in night of the rogues, the OT had plenty of other rogues they could've used why waste it on a one off villain that not only was lame but was even destroyed by the end of her own episode.

I guess we can retcon her into being Viral of Fast Forward.

All things considered, I still think Shreeka should have been there instead of Tempestra.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

All things considered, I still think Shreeka should have been there instead of Tempestra.

But Shreeka wouldn't fight for Krang.

[Utrommaniac]

That's a good point...but then neither would Tempestra; she doesn't even know him.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

That's a good point...but then neither would Tempestra; she doesn't even know him.

And Krang and Shredder shouldn't know Tempestra.

[cammy85]

Another close similar episode was "Adventures in Turtlesitting" when Krang sent a phony treasure map to Pinky McFingers, Big Louie and Mad Dog McMutt. I remember thinking how funny it was that in the original airing order, Snakes Alive aired the following week and Pinky McFingers and his gang were in that too despite being arrested the previous week.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Another close similar episode was "Adventures in Turtlesitting" when Krang sent a phony treasure map to Pinky McFingers, Big Louie and Mad Dog McMutt. I remember thinking how funny it was that in the original airing order, Snakes Alive aired the following week and Pinky McFingers and his gang were in that too despite being arrested the previous week.

This placed "Adventures in Turtlesitting" before

http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2016/01/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-1987.html

[MikeandRaph87]

Perhaps Tempestra was there because just like the lack of human allies there was a lack of female villains in the 1987 cartoon and TMNT as a whole.

Shreeka and Beserko could team up against Krang. I wrote a treatment for that as well. Both were wronged by Krang in his time before he was exiled from Dimension X.

Also, does anyone find it odd how Krang was exiled from Dimension X yet he returns three different stints through the series and no Dimension X authorities confronted Krang?

[MikeandRaph87]

I guess we can retcon her into being Viral of Fast Forward.

What if she was Titanus's first experiment, a disgraced weather woman? She was caught in a computer chip when she overloaded her lightning ability and encased in an arcade game in the past?

[cammy85]

This placed "Adventures in Turtlesitting" before

http://tmntentity.blogspot.com/2016/01/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-1987.html

I was going by airing order. I was good at memorizing those. That's production order, which is still cool. By the way, thank you for posting that link!! Lots of reviews to go through!! :D

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

That's production order

It isn't production order, it's a fansite (published in blog format) from a TMNT fan who watched the series, and placed the episodes in order based on own conclusions.

[Dejablue]

A city at war scenario at best would be like all the villians at once vs the turtles. And that happened didn't it?

Granted I think it would have worked well in a Fred Wolf scenario, there were enough bad guys to split up and battle each other with random citizens running away in the background. The turtles probably have a little infighting about which baddy is the most dangerous and who needs to be taken down first. This leads to a temporary split into two teams to try and stop more bad guys at once.

Unless one turtle is like "Wait this sounds like a trap." And it either is or isn't depending how smart the bad guys are. Like the bad guys are just pretending to go all out against each other to split the turtles up. Its not like they would care about collateral damage as long as they put on a convincing show. Either way it could have been an interesting two parter.

If its happening during Red Sky then maybe Shredder managed to escape Dimension X and brings an army of ...dimension X monsters as his army/gang. And he faces off against Dregg. Grudge match! It would probably end with Shredder getting thrown back into dimension X for the sake of status quo but it would be his final hurrah and he gets to do some cool things. On the flip side the status quo would be maintained by Dregg being defeated and Shredder returning as the bad guy. But then he'd need to be defeated for good by the show's end anyway.

I like a lot of ideas MikeandRaph87 presented...but what exactly are the turtles doing during all that? lol.

[MikeandRaph87]

I like a lot of ideas MikeandRaph87 presented...but what exactly are the turtles doing during all that? lol.

In Gang War Part 1: Mob Rising they are trying to cut off Big Louie from a crime spree with advanced weapons and tactics. It ends with Dregg revealing himself at city hall. taking power at a town hall meeting. This has gone on for small parts of previous episodes building up.

In Gang War Part 2: Night of The Ninja Rats they get Splinter's help in fending off the Rat King's minions as Splinter goes under cover pretending to be under Rat King's control. The turtles get caught between Alpha-1 and Dregg and Donatello is convinenced to help Bebop and Rocksteady to find the correct coordinates and frequency to bring their superiors back albeit Donatello plans on it being brief.

In Gang War Part 3: Duel of Egos Splinter finds the mutagen to revert the ninja students back. Leonardo destroys Alpha-1. Michelangelo helps Donatello bring Shredder and Krang back while Raphael saves the mayor. Part 3, Shredder in particular steals the show as he did before when he met Dregg. However, the turtles are at the center of the conflict in parts 1 and 2.

[Dejablue]

That all sounds pretty epic. Wish I could see it happen!

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

One thing that could evolve turf conflict was when Shredder gave gangsters access to Krang's rayguns, and other gangsters also wanting them.

[miru]

While the mere idea of FW CAW sounds awful, I have one idea:

Karai shows up and sees how incompetent Shredder is. She kicks him out of the Technodrome and starts evaluating its worth. All the generic mad scientists find out Shredder is not active and pull their cliche cartoon villainy at once, the war so to speak. Turtles agree to help Shredder take back the Technodrome. When they arrive, Karai has already stripped it of part, realising it was worthless junk. Krang has been turned into calamari, Bebop roasted pig and Rocksteady's horn has been sold as a miracle cure in China town (he died of an infection). Karai tells the Turtles she'll keep the mad scientists at bay if they don't mess with her, to which they agree. They all have a good time while eating Bebop and Krang. Shredder, now reduced to a completely harmless hobo, dies of disease in an alley.

I wonder how she disposed of the other Mutant henchmen...?

Groundchuck becomes exactly what his name means, Rahzar is sent to PETA’s shelters, Tokka & Slash soup, but what about Dirtbag and the rest?

[neatoman]

I wonder how she disposed of the other Mutant henchmen...?

Groundchuck becomes exactly what his name means, Rahzar is sent to PETA’s shelters, Tokka soup, but what about Dirtbag and the rest?

Moles have to be burned before you skin them, in order get rid of parasites. Then you can cook them, but they're said to taste badly. Mona Lisa, being a salamander, can allegedy be used for brandy brewing. The Punk Frogs should have they're legs cut off and cooked, French style! Scumbug should just be crushed underneath a boot. Muckman should be thrown into a compost pile, where he belongs.

I'm just going to be nice to Leatherhead and say he'll realise that a hat on a flat head looks stupid.

[miru]

Moles have to be burned before you skin them, in order get rid of parasites. Then you can cook them, but they're said to taste badly. Mona Lisa, being a salamander, can allegedy be used for brandy brewing. The Punk Frogs should have they're legs cut off and cooked, French style! Scumbug should just be crushed underneath a boot. Muckman should be thrown into a compost pile, where he belongs.

I'm just going to be nice to Leatherhead and say he'll realise that a hat on a flat head looks stupid.

Dirtbag wouldn’t taste good, but would make a decent comforter. Or we could treat him like that other kind of mole...

And yeah, he better drop that hat. Unless he wishes to be a novelty head decoration...

[pferreira]

Moles have to be burned before you skin them, in order get rid of parasites. Then you can cook them, but they're said to taste badly. Mona Lisa, being a salamander, can allegedy be used for brandy brewing. The Punk Frogs should have they're legs cut off and cooked, French style! Scumbug should just be crushed underneath a boot. Muckman should be thrown into a compost pile, where he belongs.

I'm just going to be nice to Leatherhead and say he'll realise that a hat on a flat head looks stupid.So what you're trying to tell us is in Sweden they eat absolutely everything or should we be concerned for you? :o

[miru]

This would make an excellent Robot Chicken sketch or other such parody animation. Maybe Dirtbag ends up as the mole sauce for Wagyu Groundchuck? Chromedome would be stripped bare alongside the foot vehicles and Technodrome, i’m pretty sure an insect collection will be interested in Scumbug and Antrax, and maybe we can have the generic mobsters and scientists enjoy the Punk Frog legs to make the Turtles more motivated. Pretty sure Karai’d get Rahzar back from PETA to make a fur coat (with mole trim), to go with her leather jacket and football. Tragg and Granitor are strip-mined for every mineral in their bodies, alongside all their soldiers. What's left becomes fanciful bowls for the Tokka & Slash soup and Mole sauce. I think there's a few Central American snacks that use ants as an ingredient, as well.