Sony's Kraven the Hunter

[ZariusTwo]

Sony Pictures has hired Richard Wenk to write the script for Kraven the Hunter, according to Collider. Kraven was one of several characters mentioned back in 2017 as possible Sony Spider-Verse movies, along with Mysterio.

Additionally, Sony Pictures' Executive Vice President Palak Patel is reportedly emerging as the key figure in figuring out Sony's Spider-Man-less Spider-Verse family of films. Patel isn't in charge of the films like Kevin Feige at Marvel Studios or Walter Hamada at DC Films, but Collider explains that Patel is one of Columbia Pictures president Sanford Panitch's direct subordinates and "is often pulled into development meetings for films based on Marvel characters."

No release date for Kraven the Hunter has been announced
https://www.newsarama.com/41221-kraven-the-hunter-screenwriter-hired-report.html

[Jester]

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[Andrew NDB]

What a horrible idea.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

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[neatoman]

Let's go over the scrapped ideas Sony had for the Spider-Man franchise, shall we?


Felicia Hardy as Vulture Jr.
A Venom movie that somehow followed up on Spider-Man 3, despite Eddie and the symbiote both dying in that movie.
The Sinister Six movie that had more to do with Thunderbolts than the S6.
Gwen Stacy coming back to life with Spider-Powers.
A Black Cat/Silver Sable team-up movie.
Another Venom movie that was meant to follow the Amazing series, despite not setting up Venom in the slightest.
Aunt May, secret Agent.


I know they have to reach in order to make spin-offs (Spidey ain't as extensive as X-Men after all) but yeesh...

[Spike Spiegel]

Jaysus, who would even go and see that?

[MikeandRaph87]

Jaysus, who would even go and see that?

Not me. Least interestimg of Spider-Man's enemies.

Its a stretch to make a decent movie out of Venom and how anything can work without Spider-Man involved and it being a quality product is likely zero to none. Studios need to quit announcing films until they go into casting stage of a film. Learn from DC!

[Shark_Blade]

All I remember reading from Spiderman comic is that he’s a hunter nutcase that likes prancing around naked in his house.

[MikeandRaph87]

All I remember reading from Spiderman comic is that he’s a hunter nutcase that likes prancing around naked in his house.

Think about the Gilligan's Island episode where the big game hunter had conquered all species except for his own so he hunts an oddity of his own kind, Gilligan. Kraven was turned on to hunting a fellow human after his older half-brother was humiliated by him. Only in Kraven's Last Hunt did he realize he was hunting another human and allowed to defeat his prey and see things the way Spider-Man does. Its bull to bring him back. His story was told, character realized his goal of killing Spider-Man was foolish so he does himself in with all of his goals checked off. Why a hunter who was not evil would want to hunt anorher human and consider it the ultimate challenge is beyond me. Sorry, I love Spider-Man's rogues gallery, but I allways saw Kraven as questionable in motive and concept. Spider-Man: The Animated Series did well in handling him and limited him to two episodes. I cant say that for the rest of the character's other media history.

[Shark_Blade]

I’ll have to re-read the comic again. I bought it because it’s listed as among the greatest Spiderman comic stories ever told. Cheers. :tthumbsu:

[ZariusTwo]

It looks like Nick Spencer is trying to build him up as a potential major threat again in his ASM run, so I'd be on the look out for that

[Andrew NDB]

Crazy theory: Sony sees Disney deal for Fox happening. They start "developing" contradictory stuff, beginning with Venom. The worst thing is if Venom is a hit. Then Disney has to listen. Then Sony follows things up with Kraven about to go into production...

My point is... is Sony just jockeying to get Disney to pay maximum top dollar for Spider-Man rights?

It actually seems a bit smart and savvy, if true.

[neatoman]

Crazy theory: Sony sees Disney deal for Fox happening. They start "developing" contradictory stuff, beginning with Venom. The worst thing is if Venom is a hit. Then Disney has to listen. Then Sony follows things up with Kraven about to go into production...

My point is... is Sony just jockeying to get Disney to pay maximum top dollar for Spider-Man rights?

It actually seems a bit smart and savvy, if true.

Basically, Sony intentionally makes crap to pressure Disney into buying the full rights at an outrageously high bid?

Seems kind of silly, seeing how their deal with Disney is set-up. I believe Sony just thinks it's better to take a cut of Disney's profits from "real" Spider-Man movies, while they can safely experiment with the somewhat limited character pool of Spider-Man in hopes that they can make something that works in their favor. You know, not all eggs in the same basket. Main Spider-Man movies will always make Sony some money while investing very little in them (Sony only gave around 35 million to Homecoming's budget), then they can focus on smaller budgeted spin-off franchises they collect all the profits from.

Even if Venom and Spider-Verse end up flopping, I'm willing to bet neither one cost more than 100 million.

[Sumac]

Kraven?
Why not someone more decent? Hobgoblin for example?

[AT-Man]

Seems like the audiences aren't Kraven this movie.

[neatoman]

Kraven?
Why not someone more decent? Hobgoblin for example?

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[DarkFell]

Let's go over the scrapped ideas Sony had for the Spider-Man franchise, chall we?


Felicia Hardy as Vulture Jr.
A Venom movie that comehow followed up on Spider-Man 3, despite Eddie and the symbiote both dying in that movie.
The Sinister Six movie that had more to do with Thunderbolts than the S6.
Gwen Stacy coming back to life with Spider-Powers.
A Black Cat/Silver Sable team-up movie.
Another Venom movie that was meant to follow the Amazing series, despite not setting up Venom in the slightest.
Aunt May, secret Agent.


I know they have to reach in order to make spin-offs (Spidey ain't as extensive as X-Men after all) but yeesh...
I'm not crazy for any of those ideas, but (1.) and (7.) are really weird ideas.

Keep Petey's dead parents as the American spies. Keep Aunt May as Peter's moral compass.

I don't mind Felicia Hardy becoming the Black Cat, but Hardy as VJ? Nope.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

The more I hear of Sony putting out these ideas, the more I worry for their future outside the Playstation division. Kraven is not good enough to get his own movie.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Crazy theory: Sony sees Disney deal for Fox happening. They start "developing" contradictory stuff, beginning with Venom. The worst thing is if Venom is a hit. Then Disney has to listen. Then Sony follows things up with Kraven about to go into production...

My point is... is Sony just jockeying to get Disney to pay maximum top dollar for Spider-Man rights?

It actually seems a bit smart and savvy, if true.

Makes more sense than my theory.

That Sony is actually run by a cabal of cocaine-addicted autistic pangolins.

[Sumac]

The more I hear of Sony putting out these ideas, the more I worry for their future outside the Playstation division. Kraven is not good enough to get his own movie.
I'd take they just throw any ideas on the wall in hopes to make that sweet cinematic universe thing going.
Problem is they are lacking talent and their managers just can not sit on their hands for 5 seconds without interfering with production of the movies. This what have killed both Raimi's Spider-Man and ASM.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'd take they just throw any ideas on the wall in hopes to make that sweet cinematic universe thing going.
Problem is they are lacking talent and their managers just can not sit on their hands for 5 seconds without interfering with production of the movies. This what have killed both Raimi's Spider-Man and ASM.

It'll eventually cause problems for MCU Spiderman, too. Just wait.

Actually, that's what Disney/MCU should have done. WAIT. Wait until they could buy everything back, and not settle for this joint-custody arrangement where Sony and Amy Pascal keep screwing things up.

[AquaParade]

It wouldn't surprise me to see Sony attempt the "Kraven's Last Hunt" storyline with Eddie Brock in the place of Peter Parker and Kraven donning the symbiote instead of the black spider-man suit.

[ZariusTwo]

It wouldn't surprise me to see Sony attempt the "Kraven's Last Hunt" storyline with Eddie Brock in the place of Peter Parker and Kraven donning the symbiote instead of the black spider-man suit.

Not a bad idea that

[ZariusTwo]

The movie will involve Spider-Man

https://www.newsarama.com/42298-sony-s-kraven-will-feature-spider-man-inspired-by-kraven-s-last-hunt.html

[Coola Yagami]

The movie will involve Spider-Man

https://www.newsarama.com/42298-sony-s-kraven-will-feature-spider-man-inspired-by-kraven-s-last-hunt.html

So they say, I'll believe it when I see it

[IMJ]

We are at that point of saturation with comic book movies where everyone is trying to get a piece of the pie, and we will start seeing more of this nonsense pumped out to try and cash in until we respond as the market with lack of buying.

[sdp]

The downside of Venom doing well is Sony will continue to pursue this pathetic Sony Spiderverse. I can't say I didn't smile when Venom did well and watched the MCU fanboys/Disney/Geek blogs in tears so it was worth it.

We are at that point of saturation with comic book movies where everyone is trying to get a piece of the pie, and we will start seeing more of this nonsense pumped out to try and cash in until we respond as the market with lack of buying.

I thought the superhero movie market was going to crash after the first avengers but it only got stronger. I think with Avengers 4 being the "end" of the current marvel phases it'll slow down though. It's been going on for too long and nothing lasts forever.

[Andrew NDB]

The downside of Venom doing well is Sony will continue to pursue this pathetic Sony Spiderverse.

Very true... though let's not count our chickens before they've hatched. Things could still freefall into the 2nd weekend. As of right now it hasn't even made its money back yet.

[Sumac]

I thought the superhero movie market was going to crash after the first avengers but it only got stronger. I think with Avengers 4 being the "end" of the current marvel phases it'll slow down though. It's been going on for too long and nothing lasts forever.
Comic book movies currently are diversified, but if all studios will start to try and ape "Marvel style" it will quickly implode.
Success of comic book movies is currently in the hands of DC - if they can make GOOD movies with different tone than Marvel stuff, it will allow CMBs to fly for some more time.

[Xav]

As of right now it hasn't even made its money back yet.It already more than doubled it's budget worldwide which is the general rule of breaking even.

[MikeandRaph87]

The movie will involve Spider-Man

https://www.newsarama.com/42298-sony-s-kraven-will-feature-spider-man-inspired-by-kraven-s-last-hunt.html

Still not going to see it. Venom 2: Maxium Carnage would not be right, but at least Venom as a film is interesting.

[TigerClaw]

The movie will involve Spider-Man

https://www.newsarama.com/42298-sony-s-kraven-will-feature-spider-man-inspired-by-kraven-s-last-hunt.html
What if the Spider-Man they use is Miles Morales? They can't use Peter Parker because he's currently in the MCU.

[Kenwatanabesclone]

What if the Spider-Man they use is Miles Morales? They can't use Peter Parker because he's currently in the MCU.

They can use peter parker if they want. I doubt Marvel studios has exclusivity since sony is sharing with them

[TigerClaw]

They can use peter parker if they want. I doubt Marvel studios has exclusivity since sony is sharing with them
It doesn't make sense having two versions of Peter Parker. One in the SUMC and the other in the MCU.

[CyberCubed]

They will use Tom Holland.

[AquaParade]

My hope is that this means Sony and Marvel have worked out a deal in which they can each have their own Spider-Man. Let Marvel do Marvel and bring someone else in for your Sony-Verse. Hell, bring back Tobey Maguire or Andrew Garfield for Kraven's Last Hunt. We can still have Tom Holland's Spider-Man safe and secure in the MCU. That's my ideal scenario.

My prediction is that Sony likes to tactically use the "will they/won't they?!" ploy in order to drum up interest in their films.
With Venom, a lot of social media talk revolved around whether or not Spider-Man would show up in his movie. Now we see a bunch of people discussing the same thing with Kraven, due to vague hints. Whether or not Spider-Man will be in it, twice as many people are talking about the film and spreading the word now that the question is in the air. Quite annoying if that is the case.

[Shark_Blade]

They will use Tom Holland.

He’s owned by Sony so yeah.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I could get behind this, especially if they actually have Spidey involved. Kraven was originally hired by Jameson to hunt down Spider-Man and bring him to justice as a "menace". The fact that it fits with his own iffy morality of hunting a human as the "ultimate challenge" was just icing. As a long-time fan of Spider-Man, I have always liked Kraven. He is one of the more complicated rogues in Spidey's gallery, and has played several roles over the years. And having read Kraven's Last Hunt, I would love to see that story incorporated somehow.

[Andrew NDB]

They will use Tom Holland.

It's not even a question.

[Autbot_Benz]

Aaron Taylor Johnson has been Cast as Kraven

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/kraven_the_hunter/kraven-the-hunter-spinoff-finds-its-lead-in-avengers-age-of-ultron-actor-aaron-taylor-johnson-a185132

January 13, 2023. release date

[AquaParade]

Sony, you dolts.
I was about to say the guy isn't a very good actor but apparently he shows some skill in Nocturnal Animals, so maybe I'll check that out. It's not really the acting I'm truly worried about, but it sounds like they were approaching a lot of more favorable actors for the role.
Adam Driver would have been awesome, though I'd have pursued Javier Bardem.

[Jester]

They'd better make him look way different from Quicksilver...

[neatoman]

Aaron Taylor Johnson has been Cast as Kraven

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/kraven_the_hunter/kraven-the-hunter-spinoff-finds-its-lead-in-avengers-age-of-ultron-actor-aaron-taylor-johnson-a185132

January 13, 2023. release date

Well if they're gonna have Keaton in Morbius, this'll open up a lot of questions.

[Coola Yagami]

I mean.... does anyone really care about Kraven if he's not hunting Spider-Man? Just put him in Venom 3 or something.

[AquaParade]

Apparently Kraven is also in Spider-Man No Way Home. Pretty reliable source.

I don't know how that movie isn't going to suck. I want it to be great more than anyone but it's going to be a balancing act for sure, and FFH did not inspire confidence.

[Coola Yagami]

Apparently Kraven is also in Spider-Man No Way Home. Pretty reliable source.

I don't know how that movie isn't going to suck. I want it to be great more than anyone but it's going to be a balancing act for sure, and FFH did not inspire confidence.

That's why I feel bringing back the bad guys from the Sony movies works, you don't have to waste time reintroducing them, if Kraven is the sole new villain in this, he'll get most of the character development.

[IMJ]

This is an example of a company getting a license and trying to hard to do anything they can with it. Venom was a stretch - was never a fan of that character as a hero, but they pulled off an eyecandy movie with some funny moments in it. Maybe they will do the same with Kraven.

But like Venom, even if they do I won't care too much. These Sony Spider-Verse flicks aren't movies I'd pay to sit in a theater and watch.

[AquaParade]

They'd better make him look way different from Quicksilver...

You'd think, but at the end of the day, the actor isn't the character. It's why we've all moved on, generally well, with Mark Ruffalo and Don Cheadle.

[Jester]

You'd think, but at the end of the day, the actor isn't the character. It's why we've all moved on, generally well, with Mark Ruffalo and Don Cheadle.

True but that's different. This is one actor playing two different roles in the MCU. It'd be like if they brought Jim Norton and Terrence Howard back in some other roll in Like an X-Men movie or something

[IMJ]

True but that's different. This is one actor playing two different roles in the MCU. It'd be like if they brought Jim Norton and Terrence Howard back in some other roll in Like an X-Men movie or something

If Kraven makes it to the MCU via Sony's separate Spider-verse. They could somehow just multi-verse it - like they did in a nod to Fox's Quicksilver in Wandavision.

[ZariusTwo]

Russel Crowe cast

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/russell-crowe-marvel-kraven-hunter-1235089351/

[AquaParade]

I rather he play Kraven, but I'm going to give Aaron Taylor Johnson a shot...despite him having never really impressed me in a role.
For all of Sony's movie issues, their casting isn't half bad, so there may be something to him.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean.... does anyone really care about Kraven if he's not hunting Spider-Man?

Nope, nobody. The only times I've ever seen or heard him so much as even being brought up are in the context of, "Wow, wouldn't a Spider-Man movie where Kraven hunts Spider-Man be great?" Nowhere else, ever.

[ZariusTwo]

Fred Hechinger cast. Unconfirmed reports indicate he's playing The Chameleon.

https://deadline.com/2022/02/kraven-the-hunter-white-lotus-fred-hechinger-chamelon-marvel-1234958051/

[Andrew NDB]

So... Kraven the animal lover conservationist?

https://comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/kraven_the_hunter/kraven-the-hunter-star-aaron-taylor-johnson-confirms-major-departure-from-the-comic-books-a194393?fbclid=IwAR3X-AkXFUP4dOHaUrKmbHj0-yapsDVTHVAm2h9Y8xOzXsNVT6W0fc3cRGU#gs.520e.4972mh

[Turo602]

Why is Sony still trying to milk the Spider-Man universe with stupid villain movies? You'd think after Morbius they'd have learned their lesson. Those Venom movies have been terrible but Venom is super popular so he's gonna make money regardless. But Kraven the good guy and Bad Bunny? Those are surefire flops. How hard is it to put villains into Spider-Man movies?

[Andrew NDB]

Why is Sony still trying to milk the Spider-Man universe with stupid villain movies? You'd think after Morbius they'd have learned their lesson. Those Venom movies have been terrible but Venom is super popular so he's gonna make money regardless. But Kraven the good guy and Bad Bunny? Those are surefire flops. How hard is it to put villains into Spider-Man movies?

It's really bafflingly stupid. And they're not even allowed to be villains. All of these "villain movies" will just make them into good guy anti-heroes, thus making any appearances in Spider-Man movies pointless.

This and the stupid "Madame Web" movie need to fail, hard. Harder than Morbius.

[oldmanwinters]

It's really bafflingly stupid. And they're not even allowed to be villains. All of these "villain movies" will just make them into good guy anti-heroes, thus making any appearances in Spider-Man movies pointless.

This and the stupid "Madame Web" movie need to fail, hard. Harder than Morbius.

Maybe Peter Parker was the real "bad guy" all along?

[Turo602]

Maybe Peter Parker was the real "bad guy" all along?

That's actually not hard to believe in the MCU. Dude seems to be the cause of most of his problems.

[superstaff]

That's actually not hard to believe in the MCU. Dude seems to be the cause of most of his problems.

Minority opinion or whatever, but I hate what they've done to Peter in the MCU now. Homecoming was a fine foundation, then they had to ruin it with the subsequent movies. They just...didn't care. Unmasked him in his second movie only to then retcon it immediately after, and the 'consequences' being that Peter Parker now doesn't exist anymore, and nobody remembers him. Does the world even remember Spider-Man? Seems like a "no". Great legacy there!

Maybe they really should just kill him off in the next one as many are predicting. Just shoot that horse, and put it out of its misery. Besides, I'm sure Feige and Sony are itching to get rid of Pete just so they can replace him with Miles anyhow.

[Turo602]

Minority opinion or whatever, but I hate what they've done to Peter in the MCU now. Homecoming was a fine foundation, then they had to ruin it with the subsequent movies. They just...didn't care. Unmasked him in his second movie only to then retcon it immediately after, and the 'consequences' being that Peter Parker now doesn't exist anymore, and nobody remembers him. Does the world even remember Spider-Man? Seems like a "no". Great legacy there!

Maybe they really should just kill him off in the next one as many are predicting. Just shoot that horse, and put it out of its misery. Besides, I'm sure Feige and Sony are itching to get rid of Pete just so they can replace him with Miles anyhow.

Don't even get me started on MCU Spider-Man. They butchered him so hard for how popular he is, yet didn't recieve the same backlash Superman and Batman have in recent movies. It really goes to show just how casual the MCU audience is that Spider-Man of all characters could be raped on screen to massive applause meanwhile people cry that Superman doesn't smile and save kittens.

The casual audience doesn't care about comic books or superhereos. They just care whether they got a few chuckles with their popcorn and then let social media dictate the rest of their opinions. DC bad, Marvel good. These movies are no longer made for comic book fans by comic book fans which shows when you compare how Raimi approached Spider-Man, to what Sony churned out after, and now the MCU. People gave Snyder sh*t out of ignorance, but you can never convince me the dude isn't a huge fan of the material regardless of how one may feel about him as a director.

[superstaff]

Don't even get me started on MCU Spider-Man. They butchered him so hard for how popular he is, yet didn't recieve the same backlash Superman and Batman have in recent movies. It really goes to show just how casual the MCU audience is that Spider-Man of all characters could be raped on screen to massive applause meanwhile people cry that Superman doesn't smile and save kittens.

The casual audience doesn't care about comic books or superhereos. They just care whether they got a few chuckles with their popcorn and then let social media dictate the rest of their opinions. DC bad, Marvel good. These movies are no longer made for comic book fans by comic book fans which shows when you compare how Raimi approached Spider-Man, to what Sony churned out after, and now the MCU. People gave Snyder sh*t out of ignorance, but you can never convince me the dude isn't a huge fan of the material regardless of how one may feel about him as a director.

All I'll say is that neither DC or Marvel deserve any praise at this point. Their comics and their movies (and their shows too, really) are garbage nowadays. Anyway, now that I made enemies of everyone in this forum, I'll just see myself out. Goodnight, everybody!

[Andrew NDB]

Anyway, now that I made enemies of everyone in this forum

Yeesh. This again?

[Turo602]

All I'll say is that neither DC or Marvel deserve any praise at this point. Their comics and their movies (and their shows too, really) are garbage nowadays. Anyway, now that I made enemies of everyone in this forum, I'll just see myself out. Goodnight, everybody!

DC is definitely terrible now with everything they've done in reaction to Marvel. Snyder carved himself a niche and gave us something different, but like cowards, WB had to overreact and throw more color and humor into everything while burying the only good thing they had going.

Also, LMAO! What kind of gimmick is this? We're enemies because we both don't like MCU Spider-Man? :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Also, LMAO! What kind of gimmick is this?

It has to be, right? Or some kind of abandonment/persecution complex. "You're going to leave me, aren't you?! I know it!!" so then they sabotage things themselves and make it a reality.

[superstaff]

Also, LMAO! What kind of gimmick is this? We're enemies because we both don't like MCU Spider-Man? :lol:

No, because I don't like the DCEU. Or most of DC's crap, really. I'd accentuate this with some kind of vomit emote if it existed on here.

It has to be, right? Or some kind of abandonment/persecution complex. "You're going to leave me, aren't you?! I know it!!" so then they sabotage things themselves and make it a reality.

Kind of weird you say this given that you've laid into me pretty hard because of disagreements we've had. Many of you have, really. I'm apparently some woketard monster, according to you guys. And maybe that's true. :lol: At this point, I've accepted that I'm pretty hated online.

[Autbot_Benz]

doesn't exist anymore, and nobody remembers him. Does the world even remember Spider-Man? Seems like a "no". Great legacy there!.

Spider-Man still exists in the MCU the spell was to erase Peter Parker from everyone's mind not Spidey.

[Andrew NDB]

Spider-Man still exists in the MCU the spell was to erase Peter Parker from everyone's mind.

It is a very odd choice. I get that they wanted sacrifice... but maybe sacrificing all of the character developments over the past three movies plus Civil War wasn't the best choice? I'm sure Peter will get around to re-filling in Ned and MJ about who he is (probably there will be a "love transcends all/breaks all barriers" where all of the memories come flooding back to MJ in the 4th film) but what about all of the Avengers? It's pretty needless.

[superstaff]

Spider-Man still exists in the MCU the spell was to erase Peter Parker from everyone's mind not Spidey.

Yeah, I know, genius.

But for all intents and purposes, Peter Parker doesn't exist anymore. Nobody knows who he is. Aunt May, if she had survived, wouldn't have either. All of his accomplishments and his identity are gone. I don't see how he can even go to college (or finish high school even) at this point since Peter Parker isn't a real being anymore. He'd have to make up a new identity or something. The whole thing was f*cking stupid.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't see how he can even go to college (or finish high school even) at this point since Peter Parker isn't a real being anymore. He'd have to make up a new identity or something.

Wait... this isn't right, is it? I thought the spell was that just everyone on the planet would be forced to forget that Peter Parker is Spider-Man, or any chain of memories intersecting with knowledge of him being Spider-Man.

[Turo602]

No, because I don't like the DCEU. Or most of DC's crap, really.

So that makes us enemies? Are we gonna duel or something?

[superstaff]

So that makes us enemies? Are we gonna duel or something?

Who even are you? You just showed up out of nowhere today, and started posting everywhere, and acting like you've been here the entire time. :ohwell:

Wait... this isn't right, is it? I thought the spell was that just everyone on the planet would be forced to forget that Peter Parker is Spider-Man, or any chain of memories intersecting with knowledge of him being Spider-Man.

They forgot Peter too. It's not just forgetting him being Spider-Man, they forgot everything associated with Peter. That's why Happy had no idea who Peter was when he saw him at the graveyard. I'm not sure if they forgot Spider-Man. The movie didn't seem to confirm it as far as I remember.

[Turo602]

Who even are you? You just showed up out of nowhere today, and started posting everywhere, and acting like you've been here the entire time. :ohwell:

I've been here far longer than you, so it's quite funny you think I came from outta nowhere when it's you who popped in suddenly talking about being a girl and now everyone hating you which I've somehow now been roped into despite this being like our first major interaction.

Also, Spider-Man was referenced in Doctor Strange, so they clearly haven't forgotten about him. They probably just don't know his identity.

[superstaff]

I've been here far longer than you, so it's quite funny you think I came from outta nowhere when it's you who popped in suddenly talking about being a girl and now everyone hating you which I've somehow now been roped into despite this being like our first major interaction.

I never said I was a girl in this conversation, but thanks for making it about that. I know you guys totally have no issues with that. Nope. None at all. :roll:

[Turo602]

I never said I was a girl in this conversation, but thanks for making it about that. I know you guys totally have no issues with that. Nope. None at all. :roll:

Figured it was worth mentioning since we're just questioning who we are apparently because you have problems with me or something.

[superstaff]

Figured it was worth mentioning since we're just questioning who we are apparently because you have problems with me or something.

That has nothing to do with the conversation, but you just brought it up as a means to slander me. How very mature of you. I guess I struck a little nerve by saying I hated the DCEU, huh? Oopsie! :P

[Sumac]

Minority opinion or whatever, but I hate what they've done to Peter in the MCU now.
Second movie was one of the worst in MCU, but No Way Home was a masterpiece and one of the best in the MCU, IMO.

I might disagree with its ultimate direction, but as a trilogy stands now, it is pretty strong subseries with a direction and finale.

Don't even get me started on MCU Spider-Man. They butchered him so hard for how popular he is, yet didn't recieve the same backlash Superman and Batman have in recent movies. It really goes to show just how casual the MCU audience is that Spider-Man of all characters could be raped on screen to massive applause meanwhile people cry that Superman doesn't smile and save kittens.
********.
Holland makes a decent Peter, much better than a crybaby McQuire.

The casual audience doesn't care about comic books or superhereos. They just care whether they got a few chuckles with their popcorn and then let social media dictate the rest of their opinions. DC bad, Marvel good. These movies are no longer made for comic book fans by comic book fans which shows when you compare how Raimi approached Spider-Man, to what Sony churned out after, and now the MCU. People gave Snyder sh*t out of ignorance, but you can never convince me the dude isn't a huge fan of the material regardless of how one may feel about him as a director.
Yeah, sure, mate, no-one knows what is a good movie and everyone who disagrees with you only there to munch popcorn. Abso-****ing-lutely, mate. :lol:

DC is definitely terrible now with everything they've done in reaction to Marvel. Snyder carved himself a niche and gave us something different
He carved niche called "I am the ****ing edgy teenager" and gave us a pile of ****.
Yeah, its different. Doesn't mean it is good.

It is a very odd choice. I get that they wanted sacrifice... but maybe sacrificing all of the character developments over the past three movies plus Civil War wasn't the best choice?
Peter himself has all his developments and arguably stronger and better person for it. So, I guess, that what counts.
I don't agree with this direction, because, I know it will be undone, but on its own it is an interesting choice, which could have interesting twists.

[Turo602]

That has nothing to do with the conversation, but you just brought it up as a means to slander me. How very mature of you. I guess I struck a little nerve by saying I hated the DCEU, huh? Oopsie! :P

Nah, we agreed the DCEU is trash. Again, this problem seems to be all in your head.

[superstaff]

Nah, we agreed the DCEU is trash. Again, this problem seems to be all in your head.

Don't even get me started on MCU Spider-Man. They butchered him so hard for how popular he is, yet didn't recieve the same backlash Superman and Batman have in recent movies. It really goes to show just how casual the MCU audience is that Spider-Man of all characters could be raped on screen to massive applause meanwhile people cry that Superman doesn't smile and save kittens.

Sounds like someone who liked the DCEU to me. If you don't, cool. I don't care.

[Andrew NDB]

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[Turo602]

Sounds like someone who liked the DCEU to me. If you don't, cool. I don't care.

Cherry picking are we?

[superstaff]

https://y.yarn.co/57b90679-36dd-46e2-a885-0f925f50b655_text.gif

Yes, hide behind your memes. It's clear you can't formulate a real argument to save your life. :ohwell:

Cherry picking are we?

You said that people gave a pass to MCU Spidey while treating the 'recent Batman and Superman' (aka Snyder's/DCEU's, unless you are also counting Pattinson in there too) with derision. That implied, to me, that you liked the DCEU. Not sure why you've decided to declare that I'm being 'crazy' here, and also throwing around cheap shots at me being a woman, as if that somehow makes my arguments dumber. Then people here wonder why I think they hate me. Eesh.

[Andrew NDB]

Yes, hide behind your memes. It's clear you can't formulate a real argument to save your life. :ohwell:

Do you really want to have that argument again? I mean, you're clearly looking to pick a fight with somebody -- anybody, seemingly.

[Sumac]

Do you really want to have that argument again? I mean, you're clearly looking to pick a fight with somebody -- anybody, seemingly.
Sadly, this an impression I've got as well.

[superstaff]

Sadly, this an impression I've got as well.

Sumac, really?

This is what you said to me in that other post:

Sounds emo. Kiddish. And stupid.

Only you define what your life is, and if you allow outside influences to ruin it for you, then you need to re-evaluate everything in your life.

There are always wars, power0hungry dictators, idiotic politicians and the like. Allowing this **** to ruin your life is senseless and dumb.

Come on. You really think I'm just 'picking fights' over nothing? :ohwell:

[Andrew NDB]

Come on. You really think I'm just 'picking fights' over nothing? :ohwell:

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[Turo602]

You said that people gave a pass to MCU Spidey while treating the 'recent Batman and Superman' (aka Snyder's/DCEU's, unless you are also counting Pattinson in there too) with derision. That implied, to me, that you liked the DCEU. Not sure why you've decided to declare that I'm being 'crazy' here, and also throwing around cheap shots at me being a woman, as if that somehow makes my arguments dumber. Then people here wonder why I think they hate me. Eesh.

That DCEU is long dead. If you weren't busy trying to fight, you would have seen where I said I dislike how reactionary WB is, which has ruined DC. I also pointed out you're a woman because between you saying everyone hates you and you mentioning you're a girl, I have absolutely no f*cking clue who you are since you're gonna act like I have no right to post here.

[superstaff]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/RLV1VDzcmLqTWpO9GI/giphy.gif

Alrighty. I give up.

You guys all *~*love*~* me and my super cool crap that I post on here. Yay. I feel so happy and fulfilled now.

[Andrew NDB]

Alrighty. I give up.

You guys all *~*love*~* me and my super cool crap that I post on here.

It's usually fairly interesting. When you're not accusing everyone of persecuting or hating you, anyway.

[AquaParade]

Minority opinion or whatever, but I hate what they've done to Peter in the MCU now. Homecoming was a fine foundation, then they had to ruin it with the subsequent movies. They just...didn't care. Unmasked him in his second movie only to then retcon it immediately after, and the 'consequences' being that Peter Parker now doesn't exist anymore, and nobody remembers him. Does the world even remember Spider-Man? Seems like a "no". Great legacy there!

Maybe they really should just kill him off in the next one as many are predicting. Just shoot that horse, and put it out of its misery. Besides, I'm sure Feige and Sony are itching to get rid of Pete just so they can replace him with Miles anyhow.

I haven't loved an MCU Spider-Man appearance since Infinity War. I wanted to love No Way Home so badly, but the script really hurts it. I honestly would not mind if they killed off Peter in the next one, to inspire Miles in "Ultimate Spider-Man" fashion, if only so they can have a re-do on MCU Peter Parker with Miles. It'd probably feel more like classic Spider-Man at this point.

Then again, half the fun of Miles is seeing how Peter's rogues and the world react to a new Spider-Man and since Peter has hardly been around to leave an impact, I sort of take that back.

I thought the MCU's Spider-Man started out great with Civil War and even Homecoming, but it's been a mess since.

[superstaff]

It's usually fairly interesting. When you're not accusing everyone of persecuting or hating you, anyway.

But, like, half the time you guys all disagree with me. :lol:

[Turo602]

I haven't loved an MCU Spider-Man appearance since Infinity War. I wanted to love No Way Home so badly, but it doesn't click with me. I honestly would not mind if they killed off Peter in the next one, to inspire Miles in "Ultimate Spider-Man" fashion, if only so they can have a re-do on MCU Peter Parker with Miles. It'd probably feel more like classic Spider-Man at this point.

I thought the MCU's Spider-Man started out great with Civil War and even Homecoming, but it's been a mess since.

Probably won't be necessary to kill him. No Way Home did pretty much serve as a huge course correction by giving him back his secret identity, taking his tech away, and making him completely self-reliant. So maybe the future of Spider-Man won't be so bad, but how they got there just seems so weird, convoluted, and unnecessary.

[AquaParade]

Probably won't be necessary to kill him. No Way Home did pretty much serve as a huge course correction by giving him back his secret identity, taking his tech away, and making him completely self-reliant. So maybe the future of Spider-Man won't be so bad, but how they got there just seems so weird, convoluted, and unnecessary.

True, but I just have personal hang-ups about the path it took us to get here. Convoluted, as you said. So convoluted. The story doesn't feel organic at all, if that makes sense.

And I really think Far From Home was just bad.

[Leo656]

A lot of hunters actually are "conservationists", but... call me crazy, I never got that specific impression from a guy who commonly wears a dead lion as "flair".

All these other tangential conversations have me once again thinking about how awesome a Snyder-directed "Kraven's Last Hunt" would be. Man, hook that sh*t to muh veins.

[Sumac]

Sumac, really?
This is what you said to me in that other post:
Where's contradiction?

[Coola Yagami]

But, like, half the time you guys all disagree with me. :lol:

Doesn't mean we don't love ya.

[superstaff]

Doesn't mean we don't love ya.

:tcry: Thanks, Coola.

[Andrew NDB]

Bumped back 9 months:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/sony-delays-kraven-garfield-web/

[Autbot_Benz]

Shown some footage at Cinemacon tonight. Trailer this summer Rhino is in it too.


Sony revealed the first-ever footage for Kraven the Hunter starring Aaron Taylor-Johnson. The trailer starts with Kraven stopping some poachers in the wild. This is confirmed to be Rated R and the footage really shows it, with Kraven killing everyone like an animal. He uses weapons, his hands, and even his own teeth and he bites a poacher and spits out the blood. He also crawls around walls and pounces on foes like an animal. The main conflict is between his father, played by Russell Crowe, who was the one who actually raised him in the ways of hunter vs prey. The action features over-the-top gore, as Kraven uses all kinds of weapons from spears to bear traps to decapitate and chop up of goons. The footage teased a mysterious new character played by Ariana DeBose as well.

For those curious, the comic-accurate Kraven vest with the fire was briefly seen as Aaron Taylor Johnson pulls it out of an old chest. But for the most part, he is not wearing the comic-accurate costume in the footage. Surprisingly, he does meet up with another Spider-Man villain, The Rhino. A huge fight between the two begins as the former injects himself with a serum that actually turns him into a huge Rhino monster, as opposed to it being a mech suit. The footage only saw his arm morphing into a big gray rhino-like fist that did look somewhat comic-accurate.

http://https//discussingfilm.net/2023/04/24/cinemacon-2023-every-new-sony-pictures-announcement-exclusive-footage-descriptions/

[ZariusTwo]

Mutant Mayhem, Sony style

[neatoman]

Ugh... Admittedly, I don't think I actually like any design for Rhino, his classic look is absolutely laughable and a mech suit tends to be very busy looking. However, I really don't like it when he literally transforms into a rhino monster because it just tends to look so damn ugly.
https://comics2film.com/images/721/405/1/marvels-spider-man-rhino-s3-e07.jpg
https://assets.mycast.io/actor_images/actor-rhino-usm-527041_large.jpg?1661663712

I think the best bet is to either make it a mech suit but really try to make it look aesthetically pleasing, or if you're going insist on him having actual superpowers, do the Spider-Gwen thing where he was a big guy with grey skin but otherwise looking perfectly human.

[Autbot_Benz]

Trailer leaked on Twitter ATJ doesn't do Kraven's Accent at all. Also it looks like Sony made Kraven into Vixen from DC

https://twitter.com/JumpTrailers/status/1670834858824810502

[ChosenOne]

Trailer leaked on Twitter ATJ doesn't do Kraven's Accent at all. Also it looks like Sony made Kraven into Vixen from DC

https://twitter.com/JumpTrailers/status/1670834858824810502

Yep, it's a Sony movie, all right.

[ZariusTwo]

OK, the whole trailer is crapola, except the bit with the spiders, a shout to Kraven's Last Hunt, really enjoyed that bit. See how much better things suddenly are when they call back to Spider-Man?

[ZariusTwo]

Official version

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[ChosenOne]

So is the brother the Chameleon?

[oldmanwinters]

I have feeling Sony will have wished they cancelled this one.

Still… I’ll probably watch it… eventually.

[Dpooly84]

I have feeling Sony will have wished they cancelled this one.

Still… I’ll probably watch it… eventually.

Right there with you, I'll wait to stream it like Morbius, and probably dislike it, like Morbius lol.

[Andrew NDB]

What Sony is doing is kind of like what would've happened if the "Dark Universe" movies happened after The Mummy.

[drgon78]

Looks interesting to me.

[ZariusTwo]

Sony directly stole Kraven's origin here from a Gail Simone DC comic

https://twitter.com/NebsGoodTakes/status/1670904801276858369

[DarkFell]

So is the brother the Chameleon?
I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes The Chameleon. That could be a hint that a sequel is being planned out. Sony / Marvel has to keep it's track record of making sequels.

Sony directly stole Kraven's origin here from a Gail Simone DC comic

https://twitter.com/NebsGoodTakes/status/1670904801276858369

Can DC sue for that?

[TheCanadiandrome]

I have feeling Sony will have wished they cancelled this one.

Still… I’ll probably watch it… eventually.

Same bro ye

[Autbot_Benz]

Aaron Taylor-Johnson’s anticipated Marvel outing “Kraven” is shifting to August 30, 2024, from a planned October 6 outing this year. The push to next Labor Day is vital, studio insiders said, as leading man Taylor-Johnson would need to engage in a worldwide press tour to open the visceral action project in just over two months.

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/spider-man-beyond-the-spider-verse-kraven-release-date-pushed-2024-strikes-1235682520/

[Andrew NDB]

https://cosmicbook.news/watch-kraven-the-hunter-red-band-trailer?fbclid=IwY2xjawEg3_ZleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHRNKr H94vYUSrvGC-gQgOF0br6KTWUzy9QgDYpGsOp0zwXdfJaBSH3JUQw_aem_l7Gj B0H28GBJIPXe_Oz7AQ

Rated R. They want to make this R, but not the Venom movies? That even featured Carnage?

[RaphaelinSTL]

Wow, I keep forgetting this is a thing. Is this going to do even worse than Madame Web you think?

[Andrew NDB]

Wow, I keep forgetting this is a thing. Is this going to do even worse than Madame Web you think?

It won't do that bad. But it won't be good numbers, that's for sure.

[Autbot_Benz]

I think even Sony has given up on it. no new pictures no second trailer and this thing is out in December

[ZariusTwo]

New trailer has dropped

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[Autbot_Benz]

another stinker for the Sony trash can. They released this trailer at 3 in the morning that's the confidence they have for this movie :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

lol....

https://www.darkhorizons.com/kraven-director-give-our-film-a-chance/

[ToTheNines]

New trailer has dropped

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ATJ is in great shape, but his frame isn’t large enough to play Kraven.

And I know this has already been said, but who is asking for these movies?

[Andrew NDB]

And I know this has already been said, but who is asking for these movies?

An excellent question.

[ZariusTwo]

The first eight minutes

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[Andrew NDB]

The SPUMC is over before Kraven is even out.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/sony-halts-its-own-marvel-universe-plans/

[Autbot_Benz]

Another stinker for Sony who could have seen that coming

[Andrew NDB]

Since it's unlikely Sony will ONLY be interested in Spider-Man sequels through Marvel Studios, if they're discontinuing the "SPUMC" then that can probably only mean:

A) Sony will finally sell off the Spider-Man rights back to Marvel/Disney, since they have to admit at this point they only seem to be able to actively LOSE money by themselves on stuff they do themselves there.

B) Sony will attempt to renegotiate their deal with Marvel/Disney so as to allow themselves to make solo "off-base" Spider-Man movies, stuff like Spider-Man 2099, Andrew Garfield stuff, etc..

C) Sony will break off from the deal with Marvel/Disney (or just not renew whatever it is now), choosing then to strictly do solo Spider-Man movies on their own.

[IMJ]

I think it was apparent to anyone who thinks that this entire endeavor by Sony was never needed and not wanted by the fanbase. It was a stretch to maintain their hold on the I.P.'s and nobody wants "super villain movies".

This would have been a stretch for SONY under any paradigm, but they should've have done something like tried to build a street-level hero-fest if they had to do anything. A friggin' Prowler movie followed by a Silver Sable movie would've made more sense than what they did.... and even those probably wouldn't have stirred much interest.

[ToTheNines]

Since it's unlikely Sony will ONLY be interested in Spider-Man sequels through Marvel Studios, if they're discontinuing the "SPUMC" then that can probably only mean:

A) Sony will finally sell off the Spider-Man rights back to Marvel/Disney, since they have to admit at this point they only seem to be able to actively LOSE money by themselves on stuff they do themselves there.

B) Sony will attempt to renegotiate their deal with Marvel/Disney so as to allow themselves to make solo "off-base" Spider-Man movies, stuff like Spider-Man 2099, Andrew Garfield stuff, etc..

C) Sony will break off from the deal with Marvel/Disney (or just not renew whatever it is now), choosing then to strictly do solo Spider-Man movies on their own.

A would be the smart move. B would be the best case scenario for fans. C is what I think Sony is most likely to try.

[IMJ]

If the execs at Sony studios had any brains they would have greenlit a 3rd Garfield Spider-Man movie immediately after the first week of No Way Home's box office...

[oldmanwinters]

The SPUMC is over before Kraven is even out.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/sony-halts-its-own-marvel-universe-plans/

They should have killed it after (or before) they let Morbius loose onto the public.

[Andrew NDB]

If the execs at Sony studios had any brains they would have greenlit a 3rd Garfield Spider-Man movie immediately after the first week of No Way Home's box office...

Again, I don't think they were legally able to even if they wanted to, given whatever the specifics are of that deal with Marvel/Disney to do solo Spider-Man movies there. Minimum, they'd be pumping out Miles Morales movies throughout all of this. Because why wouldn't they?

[Autbot_Benz]

Kraven is bombing. this is the 3rd box office bomb Morbius Madame Web and now Kraven.

good job guys



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[Coola Yagami]

To be expected. Most of these Sony characters were never good enough to get their own book, let alone a movie. Venom at least had several comic book series with varying levels of success. But Kraven??? Has he ever even have his own comic series?

I mean what's next? Boomerang? The White Rabbit? Still Man?

[IMJ]

SONY saw this coming - I think it was day one of the release they announced they won't focus on this Universe-Building Sinister Six BS anymore.

[Andrew NDB]

SONY saw this coming - I think it was day one of the release they announced they won't focus on this Universe-Building Sinister Six BS anymore.

I thought for sure they were going to use No Way Home to take THAT Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Electro, Sandman, Lizard and spin them off into the Sinister Six. That might have been... I dunno, at least something? With that cast.

[Coola Yagami]

It was right there. 5 villains plus the return of Keaton's Vulture and we would have had the Sinister Six.

[Andrew NDB]

So it might be this:

https://comicbookmovie.com/spider_man/rumor-sony-pictures-seriously-considering-selling-spider-man-ip-back-to-marvel-studios-a215093

[neatoman]

I've seen it now and, yeah, it's pretty bad. If you're wondering how it fares in comparison to Sony's other not-Spider-Man experiments, it's better than Morbius and Madame Web which doesn't really mean much considering how awful Madame Web is. It's also worse than the Venom movies in terms of pure entertainment value and as bizarre as it may seem, I think the first Venom movie might technically be superior in a technical sense too.

The sad part is that there are hints of a much better movie buried in all this slop. Had they leaned into the gangster element more, had the drama with the family more developed, cut the pseudo-conservationist crap, explained the powers better, gotten better actors, cut it down a bit and not pretended that Kraven was in anyway a good guy, we might have had halfway decent movie. With even more reworking than that, this might have been OK gangster movie with superpowers. But as is, it's just a boring, sloppy mess with mostly bad actors, an incostent story and fairly hypocritical message.

And sad how sad is it when Russell Crowe is the best part of your movie?