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Autbot_Benz
10-17-2018, 08:20 PM
A new report suggests that The CW is considering launching a new Superman TV series. It's claimed that this year's Arrowverse crossover event, Elseworlds, will essentially serve as a backdoor pilot to the show. Its ultimate fate will depend on how viewers respond to the characters in the event.

Tyler Hoechlin was introduced as The CW's Superman back in 2016, when he first appeared as a guest star in Supergirl season 2. The actor was universally praised for his portrayal of the Man of Steel, which seemed to channel the classic Christopher Reeve like no other version seen before. He's set to return in this year's Elseworlds crossover, and will be accompanied by Elizabeth Tulloch as Lois Lane.



According to FandomWire, The CW is treating Elseworlds as a backdoor pilot for a Superman TV series. The CW will be carefully watching how fans and critics alike respond to Hoechlin and Tulloch, assessing whether or not there's sufficient interest in a spinoff. It's a similar approach to the one The CW is believed to be taking with Batwoman, who will be introduced in Elseworlds and is intended to launch her own series.

It's important to note that FandomWire's report is as yet unconfirmed, so at this stage this should only be treated as a rumor. The site's most recent DC TV scoop, the idea of a Batgirl TV series, was essentially debunked. What's more, the outlet does stress that this project is early on in development, and that they're not confident it will come to fruition. At the same time, though, this particular report is a believable one. The CW is clearly interested in expanding its slate of superhero shows, launching Black Lightning last year and considering a Batwoman series. Hoechlin's performance as Superman was tremendously well-received. What's more, the decision to cast Lois Lane expands Superman's world perfectly.

The timing of all this is particularly interesting. Back in 2016, executive producer Andrew Kreisberg was delighted when Warner Bros. gave the green light for Superman to be in just a couple of episodes. That's probably because the studio has traditionally been wary of diluting their brands by running the same characters in films as well as TV shows; Warner's plans for Suicide Squad led to Harley Quinn and her team being pulled from Arrow, for example. However, there have been recent reports that Warner Bros. is pivoting away from Ben Affleck's Batman and Henry Cavill's Superman. So that may well have freed Superman up for the small screen again. Right now, this is just a rumor. If it's correct, then there's a lot riding on the success of the Elseworlds crossover. It will be fascinating to see if The CW can pull it off, considering that their previous Superman show, Smallville, ended only a few years ago.

https://screenrant.com/superman-tv-show-cw-tyler-hoechlin/

Papenbrook
10-17-2018, 10:44 PM
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ZariusTwo
10-18-2018, 02:12 AM
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sdp
10-18-2018, 03:03 PM
Is this the DCEU we deserve? I can see Batman appearing in the Batwoman show and eventually getting his own show. At this point we'll get Green Lantern in Legends of Tomorrow before the movie.

I'm behind on the DC CW shows, there were just so many with varying quality that i just stopped catching up on them and now I feel overwhelmed.

Andrew NDB
10-18-2018, 03:07 PM
It will be fascinating to see if The CW can pull it off, considering that their previous Superman show, Smallville, ended only a few years ago.

#1, Smallville wasn't a Superman show. #2, it would be 8 years since Smallville by the time this show gets off the ground. That's the lion's share of a decade.

Leo656
10-18-2018, 06:06 PM
I was gonna say, hasn't it been almost 10 years since that sh*tfest finally ended? Not soon enough, though.

"Supergirl" is lousy, so anything spun out of that is planted in poisoned soil. That Hoechlin guy sucks and that ridiculous costume is the sh*ts. No thanks.

Andrew NDB
10-18-2018, 06:35 PM
They should launch this and an actual Batman TV show and a Green Lantern Corps show... then do Crisis on Infinite Earths and merge it all to one Earth with the nonsense elements weeded out.

ZariusTwo
10-19-2018, 03:18 AM
Fake news it would seem

https://heroichollywood.com/cw-arrowverse-superman-false/

Leo656
10-19-2018, 03:25 AM
Ehh, I'unno. I bet you they're at least seriously thinking about it.

Otherwise, they'd have to just keep "borrowing" Superman villains and storylines and... well... everything... and slapping a skirt on it. And they're not gonna keep doing THAT forever, right?

https://i.imgur.com/66VbLp6.gif

ABrown
10-19-2018, 10:10 AM
For whatever it's worth, in the limited sample size, I found Hoechlin to be a better Superman than Henry Cavill.

Andrew NDB
10-19-2018, 10:46 AM
For whatever it's worth, in the limited sample size, I found Hoechlin to be a better Superman than Henry Cavill.

I haven't gotten to his episodes yet (mostly because Supergirl is super exhausting and soul-sucking trying to get through it) but just from a physical standpoint... he looks like the most "alien" Superman we've ever gotten, which I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing. He's got sort of an Iron Fist season 1 body, too.

Autbot_Benz
10-19-2018, 11:07 AM
Fake news it would seem

https://heroichollywood.com/cw-arrowverse-superman-false/

Don't believe anything Umberto Gonzales reports he has a history of fake news reporting on stuff. Dude doesn't even give a source for his report he just says its not happening and nothing to back that up.

Leo656
10-19-2018, 11:25 AM
I haven't gotten to his episodes yet (mostly because Supergirl is super exhausting and soul-sucking trying to get through it) but just from a physical standpoint... he looks like the most "alien" Superman we've ever gotten, which I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing. He's got sort of an Iron Fist season 1 body, too.

Oh, gosh, it's awful. I gave the first few episodes a serious shot and I had to tap out. I dip in and out but it's only gotten worse from what I've gathered.

At one point they do a Superman/Supergirl fight and it's the most horribly-choreographed thing you've ever seen. Total piss. I mean, it was bad enough that the point was to make her look way better than him, but it was also shot terribly and was just plain embarrassing.

Dude's lame. Tom Welling's on the rock-bottom of my Superman list, but this dude is one space above. I guess Kirk Alyn would have to go right above him just by process of elimination, but still. I'm not trying to insult Kirk Alyn; he's WAY better than this guy. It's just that he had the misfortune of being the first live-action Superman, and almost everyone else afterwards was better. But he's definitely miles ahead of Whatsisname and Whozits.

Keep in mind, that doesn't count either of the guys who played Superman in the live-action musical, because I refuse to acknowledge it.

Krutch
10-19-2018, 03:40 PM
I like Tyler's Clark more than I do his Superman. He doesn't have any real presence when wearing the suit (though wearing that suit doesn't help) but he's at least got the mild mannered thing down.

Seriously, why isn't Dean Cain on Supergirl more often than he is? I thought he was going to be a constant father figure when he was cast. What a waste.

And whoever they cast as Lex Luthor got pretty lucky with timing. Rosenbaum gave us a performance for the ages, but then BvS gave us Eisenberg - anything following that is gonna look good by comparison.

Leo656
10-19-2018, 05:59 PM
Truthfully, I'd rather watch Jesse all day than Rosenbaum even once.

I can't stomach ANYTHING about Smallville. To me, everything about that show tastes like black licorice.

Andrew NDB
10-19-2018, 06:03 PM
Truthfully, I'd rather watch Jesse all day than Rosenbaum even once.

I can't stomach ANYTHING about Smallville. To me, everything about that show tastes like black licorice.

Yeah, I made it even less far into Smallville than Supergirl. 2 or 3 episodes of Smallville vs. a handful of Supergirls. So, so bad.

Leo656
10-19-2018, 06:13 PM
When it started, I gave it a fair shot. I knew it wasn't gonna be like the comics - everything should always be like the comics - but I figured, "Eh, why not?" The Monster of the Week thing got old fast, and the cast just didn't elevate the material in any way, so I gave up around the end of Season 1. Then, when I heard that it WAS gonna try and adapt some comic book stuff, I said, "Well, clearly they're desperate, now, doing the exact thing they swore they'd never, ever do, but hey... maybe, right?"

And then the stuff they did when they borrowed from the comics was somehow WORSE than when they were just plain making stuff up! :lol:

"Smallville" was what happens when a bunch of people who think Superman is stupid try and "fix" it, so it's presentable to OTHER people who think Superman is stupid. It never shocks me that so many of its fans are like, "Well I NEVER cared about Superman before, but..." Like yeah, and you still don't. :lol:

I just can't even. I'd rather watch that "Birds of Prey" show. 'Member that? :lol:

Krutch
10-19-2018, 09:45 PM
Truthfully, I'd rather watch Jesse all day than Rosenbaum even once.

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9IggwFPod785nOyA/giphy.gif

Leo656
10-19-2018, 09:47 PM
Nooooot getting into a "thing" with you. Take that sh*t somewhere else.

Krutch
10-19-2018, 09:50 PM
haha relax - just meant as a good-hearted jab :tcool:

Smallville sure as sh*t isnt everyones cup of tea and I get that. I just have always heard Rosenbaum was the one universally praised thing about it. Likewise with the DCEU, who has it's avid followers, all seem to point to Lex as the one thing they didn't like.

Leo656
10-19-2018, 10:11 PM
He's "okay" but he's still written as a wishy-washy whiny Daddy's boy.

People call him "definitive" because he's bald and wears a black suit. But that's all superficial outer trappings. It's not all the actor's fault that they tried too hard to make him sympathetic - which that character really shouldn't be, at all - but it was what it was.

Plus the bromance sh*t with Clark was awful and unnecessary. He looks the part fine, but for me, that's as far as it goes.
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It's very easy to understand why people dismiss Eisenberg's Lex - if nothing else, his vocal inflections are... interesting - but as far as being an evil, soulless, manipulative lizard-person wearing a human being costume, he's far closer to the "real" Lex than anyone. I mean, Lex Luthor is the guy who willingly gave up his soul to Neron, because in his mind, "If I ever HAD a soul I would have lost it a long time ago." He's not conflicted about being a scumbag, he revels in it. That's the kind of villain Eisenberg portrayed. Not a jilted boyfriend or a goofy real estate mogul; just a guy who'd be perfectly happy to see the world burn so long as he was left standing atop the ashes. It's the ONLY time I've seen a live-action Lex that radiated that kind of evil, aside from maybe a bit of John Shea back in the day, and he never went anywhere as far.

Now, again, his vocal delivery was weird, but if you put that aside, every bit of his behavior in the film was Classic Lex: The manipulations, the disarming and self-effacing public persona, the Master Plan, his conspiring with the forces of Apokolips, right down to the kidnapping and torture of someone close to Clark... ALL of that is completely faithful, practically ripped right off of the page; he's just dressed different. I can get past the voice and the clothes because for once, live-action Lex Luthor does things that Lex Luthor says and does.

I feel like people simply can't put those small things aside and focus on the bigger things.

As for why he was younger and dressed like a hipster, it's pretty clear to me that the filmmakers were trying to do what Byrne and Wolfman did in 1986: Begin with the idea of Lex as an "evil billionaire" and make it relevant to what was contemporary at the time. In 1986, an "evil billionaire" looked like Donald Trump, so that's what Lex was turned into. Nowadays, it looks like Mark Zuckerberg, so in trying to make Lex more modern, they figured "Screw it, let's get the guy who played the Facebook guy". It's definitely a questionable decision but I 100% understand what the motive was. AND, if they'd waited a year and actually had any idea that Trump would literally become President, I'm TOTALLY sure that they would have done an older, more traditional Lex instead. But that's not what happened, and frankly, I'm fine with what we got.

He's a weird guy. I can see why it's not for everyone but I seriously think people over-sell his performance. I mean, if people really can't get past the little verbal tics, that's their prerogative, but more often, I've heard people dismiss the character completely as being "totally unfaithful", and as I've pointed out that simply isn't true. He behaves FAR more like Lex Luthor than anyone else who's ever played him in live action.

He's just... y'know... squeaky. :lol:

ZariusTwo
10-20-2018, 08:23 AM
He's "okay" but he's still written as a wishy-washy whiny Daddy's boy.

People call him "definitive" because he's bald and wears a black suit. But that's all superficial outer trappings. It's not all the actor's fault that they tried too hard to make him sympathetic - which that character really shouldn't be, at all - but it was what it was.

Plus the bromance sh*t with Clark was awful and unnecessary. He looks the part fine, but for me, that's as far as it goes.

How do you rate him as a Flash?:)

Leo656
10-20-2018, 09:23 AM
Pretty good. :lol: You cheeky bastard.