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CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

10-25-2018, 12:01 PM

Absolutely zero.

CBS: "We hear y'all want something like the Orville?"

No, we want either something post-Enterprise showing us the actual formation of the Federation and it's early years (like the Enterprise "Rise of the Federation" books) or some more post-TNG/DS9/VOY stuff in the 25th century.

It's not that hard. :tlol:

Andrew NDB

10-25-2018, 12:04 PM

No, we want either something post-Enterprise showing us the actual formation of the Federation and it's early years (like the Enterprise "Rise of the Federation" books)

Yeah, I wouldn't trust ANY of the TPTB to deliver any prequel stuff that won't end up being maddening. No matter what armpit in the pre-TNG timeline they rut around in.

or some more post-TNG/DS9/VOY stuff in the 25th century.

It's not that hard. :tlol:

Not hard at all.

What do you make of this?

https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/10/24/star-trek-short-treks-calypso-exclusive-teaser-trailer

Discovery going 1,000 years in the future. Or something.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

10-25-2018, 12:13 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't trust ANY of the TPTB to deliver any prequel stuff that won't end up being maddening. No matter what armpit in the pre-TNG timeline they rut around in.

Not hard at all.

What do you make of this?

https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/10/24/star-trek-short-treks-calypso-exclusive-teaser-trailer

Discovery going 1,000 years in the future. Or something.

Oh, I agree... I don't think I'd trust The Powers That Be to pull it off. But spinning something out of Enterprise, say 10 or 25 years later, showing the early Federation... a lot of politics, the Romulan War fallout, cameo appearances from Archer, T'Pol, and Phlox... I'd watch the $hit outta that.

As for Calypso... if it's 1000 years in the future, one guy and one AI, then that's pretty fvcking generic. Hard to make it very "Trek", ya know what I mean? Looks almost JJ Abrams-esque in that trailer...

Highly, highly skeptical.

Andrew NDB

10-25-2018, 12:21 PM

Oh, I agree... I don't think I'd trust The Powers That Be to pull it off. But spinning something out of Enterprise, say 10 or 25 years later, showing the early Federation... a lot of politics, the Romulan War fallout, cameo appearances from Archer, T'Pol, and Phlox... I'd watch the $hit outta that.

As long as they stick with the general aesthetic of Enterprise, sure. Not "edgy Trek." I always wanted to see the Romulan War. I always figured that'd be the final slam dunk of the show.

As for Calypso... if it's 1000 years in the future, one guy and one AI, then that's pretty fvcking generic. Hard to make it very "Trek", ya know what I mean? Looks almost JJ Abrams-esque in that trailer...

Highly, highly skeptical.

True.

I guess I'm disappointed I'm not more excited about the Picard show. I mean, I am, but it just seems like such a half measure. A new show 20 years after TNG with a new crew, new direction would seem like a genuine effort to make something new for a new generation (plus they could still have appearances from TNG alumni). Now, a show revolving around an 80 year-old Picard? It seems like such a thing isn't trying to reel in a new generation of fans, it seems like it is pretty clearly only being made to placate the existing fandom who have been pretty battered by years of Abramsverse and STD.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

10-25-2018, 01:20 PM

As long as they stick with the general aesthetic of Enterprise, sure. Not "edgy Trek." I always wanted to see the Romulan War. I always figured that'd be the final slam dunk of the show.

True.

I guess I'm disappointed I'm not more excited about the Picard show. I mean, I am, but it just seems like such a half measure. A new show 20 years after TNG with a new crew, new direction would seem like a genuine effort to make something new for a new generation (plus they could still have appearances from TNG alumni). Now, a show revolving around an 80 year-old Picard? It seems like such a thing isn't trying to reel in a new generation of fans, it seems like it is pretty clearly only being made to placate the existing fandom who have been pretty battered by years of Abramsverse and STD.

Enterprise would have gotten to the Romulan War if the show had lasted long enough. They were laying some major groundwork for it in the latter episodes of Season 4. The novels did some stuff, but man... they actually sucked pretty hard, compared to the "Rise of the Federation" novels.

And yeah, "Old Man Picard" is definitely a calculated gesture to placate people. For some reason, CBS thinks we all want a prequel show with different Klingons, a very out-of-character Federation and Starfleet, and Spock's never-before-heard-of sister, but they won't roll the dice and do a 25th century show? A whole new playing field with plenty of callbacks and references available? WTF, CBS?

Andrew NDB

10-25-2018, 02:04 PM

Enterprise would have gotten to the Romulan War if the show had lasted long enough. They were laying some major groundwork for it in the latter episodes of Season 4.

I never understood why Star Trek never jumped aboard the direct-to-video movie train when everyone else did. Companion movies to DS9 and Enterprise seemed like no-brainers.

Technically they could even do some now. Throw them on their FAKE Netflix CBS thing.

And yeah, "Old Man Picard" is definitely a calculated gesture to placate people. For some reason, CBS thinks we all want a prequel show with different Klingons, a very out-of-character Federation and Starfleet, and Spock's never-before-heard-of sister,

It seems pretty clear at some point that when Rick Berman was ousted and Abrams became involved it was decided that anything Star Trek that doesn't have some big link to either, A) Kirk'n Spock, B) The original Enterprise, or C) Kirk'n Spock's direct era, only serves to dilute the brand.

but they won't roll the dice and do a 25th century show? A whole new playing field with plenty of callbacks and references available? WTF, CBS?

For a moment, I admit, near the end of Discovery's first season I had a flicker of hope. Remember the moment in the season finale when they were about to return to the regular universe and the crew was like, "We're not sure 'when' we'll end up when we get there... it could be 20 years from now, or 300!"

I was like, "Ohhhh sh*t! The USS Discovery is about to end up in the 25th or 26th century, and then that's going to be the show next season! With them adjusting to life in the new century, and us easing into it with them, too! That's kind of brilliant!"

And it all ends up nope, it's only like 6 months later or whatever. And there's the USS Enterprise instead with Spock. F*** this show.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

10-25-2018, 02:12 PM

I never understood why Star Trek never jumped aboard the direct-to-video movie train when everyone else did. Companion movies to DS9 and Enterprise seemed like no-brainers.

Technically they could even do some now. Throw them on their FAKE Netflix CBS thing.

It seems pretty clear at some point that when Rick Berman was ousted and Abrams became involved it was decided that anything Star Trek that doesn't have some big link to either, A) Kirk'n Spock, B) The original Enterprise, or C) Kirk'n Spock's direct era, only serves to dilute the brand.

For a moment, I admit, near the end of Discovery's first season I had a flicker of hope. Remember the moment in the season finale when they were about to return to the regular universe and the crew was like, "We're not sure 'when' we'll end up when we get there... it could be 20 years from now, or 300!"

I was like, "Ohhhh sh*t! The USS Discovery is about to end up in the 25th or 26th century, and then that's going to be the show next season! With them adjusting to life in the new century, and us easing into it with them, too! That's kind of brilliant!"

And it all ends up nope, it's only like 6 months later or whatever. And there's the USS Enterprise instead with Spock. F*** this show.

I dunno, direct-to-video movies carry an undeniable stench of "we're not good enough for the big screen."

And Rick Berman was never as bad as a lot of people made him out to be. He preferred episodic crap (thank God Ronald D. Moore ran DS9), but at least it was real Star Trek.

And really, I don't know that I would have loved the Discovery jumping a century or two ahead. People who try to have their cake (prequel) and eat it too (sequel) at the same time just usually piss me off. :tlol:

Andrew NDB

10-25-2018, 02:27 PM

I dunno, direct-to-video movies carry an undeniable stench of "we're not good enough for the big screen."

But if they were never going to get big screen movies anyway (surely, no one was ever expecting DS9: the movie?), what's the harm?

And Rick Berman was never as bad as a lot of people made him out to be. He preferred episodic crap (thank God Ronald D. Moore ran DS9), but at least it was real Star Trek.

He was Roddenberry's hand-picked successor. He should have still been involved with what followed even if his actual power was reduced.

And really, I don't know that I would have loved the Discovery jumping a century or two ahead. People who try to have their cake (prequel) and eat it too (sequel) at the same time just usually piss me off. :tlol:

I think it would have made the most out of a BAD situation. It would even explain the Spore Drive. Why didn't Kirk or Picard have Spore Drive on their shows? Because Discovery took the only one of it to the 25th or 26th century and it was never seen again until then. BAM! Solved. As-is they'll have to concoct some half-cocked bandaid in season 2 or 3 like, "We signed the Anti-Spore Drive Agreement, we'll never use it again because it's tearing apart the universe!" Never mind that captains in emergency situations would almost certainly opt to utilize it.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

10-25-2018, 02:32 PM

But if they were never going to get big screen movies anyway (surely, no one was ever expecting DS9: the movie?), what's the harm?

That's a fair point. I think both DS9 and Voyager deserved movies... DS9 because it was so damn good, and Voyager because their return home really needed more than just 30 seconds of popping out of a transwarp conduit and "oh hey, guys!" :trolleye:

And obviously Enterprise; they didn't even get to finish the overall story. :tgrumble:

He was Roddenberry's hand-picked successor. He should have still been involved with what followed even if his actual power reduced.

Absolutely.

I think it would have made the most out of a BAD situation. It would even explain the Spore Drive. Why didn't Kirk or Picard have Spore Drive on their shows? Because Discovery took the only one of it to the 25th or 26th century. BAM! Solved.

That's a really good idea, actually, for resolving the plot hole of the spore drive. And it's not like they'd be the first crew to timehop... Morgan Bateson and the USS Bozeman did it first. :tgrin:

Andrew NDB

10-25-2018, 02:38 PM

Voyager because their return home really needed more than just 30 seconds of popping out of a transwarp conduit and "oh hey, guys!" :trolleye:

As much as I dug the Borg Queen showdown and movie-like climax... that ending was pretty infuriating. After all these seasons of rumors about, "Ratings are in trouble! They're going to bring them home early and we'll see them adapt to regular Starfleet life and/or help in the Dominion War!" and then approaching season 7, "They're going to make it home halfway into 7!" it ends up being the last 5 seconds of the last episode.

The Borg queen showdown/shooting out of the transwarp conduit sequence should have been the cliffhanger for a proper 2 episode series finale.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

10-25-2018, 02:49 PM

As much as I dug the Borg Queen showdown and movie-like climax... that ending was pretty infuriating. After all these seasons of rumors about, "Ratings are in trouble! They're going to bring them home early and we'll see them adapt to regular Starfleet life and/or help in the Dominion War!" and then approaching season 7, "They're going to make it home halfway into 7!" it ends up being the last 5 seconds of the last episode.

The Borg queen showdown/shooting out of the transwarp conduit sequence should have been the cliffhanger for a proper 2 episode series finale.

Damn straight.

Also, back to the original topic... Rick & Morty style humor in a Star Trek cartoon makes my stomach hurt. Ugh. That's further dilution and bastardization of the brand.

When Star Trek did the Animated Series after the Original Series, they didn't make it silly or funny or cartoony; they told the same damn stories as live-action, and it was great. Furthered the canon, did things 60's television and SFX couldn't handle.

But no, sure, let's see First Officer Morty fart out a vampire cloud that kills Captain Kirk's pet dog or some crap. Yay.

Candy Kappa

10-25-2018, 03:04 PM

Eh, I'd rather see something like Ashley Victoria Robinson's The Red Shirts Diaries done in a official capacity

ZariusTwo

01-08-2019, 03:47 PM

There will be a second animated series produced in addition to Lower Decks

https://trekmovie.com/2019/01/08/breaking-kid-friendly-star-trek-animated-series-in-development-animated-short-treks-coming-this-year/

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-08-2019, 03:49 PM

ZariusTwo

07-12-2020, 02:58 PM

First trailer

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neatoman

07-12-2020, 03:45 PM

First trailer

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So like Rick & Morty or Solar Opposites but with the facade of Star Trek. This is pretty much exactly what I expected. I think I'll enjoy this more than STD or Picard but it's kind of weird to see them ignore the core of what Star Trek is again, but in a completely different way. I enjoy Rick & Morty as well as Solar Opposites, but I'm not sure the (for example) "screaming sun" joke would work if I saw it in Star Trek. It would just be weird.

Anyway, "second contact"? I'm assuming that means these guys either show up to negotiate entry into the Federation after the first contact?

Sumac

07-12-2020, 03:57 PM

Oh, once again, ****** "oval head" modern cartoon style.

Coola Yagami

07-12-2020, 04:28 PM

I at least like the 'calm down it was *quickly checks and changes the setting* it was set to stun'.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

07-12-2020, 04:49 PM

First trailer

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It breaks my heart that CBS thinks this is what Trek fans wants.

Fvck this.

Vegita-San

07-12-2020, 04:59 PM

It breaks my heart that CBS thinks this is what Trek fans wants.

Fvck this.

agreed...but honestly, it's not the WORST thing I've seen come out of star trek, so it should be better than discovery as a non cannon one off.

neatoman

07-12-2020, 05:04 PM

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Andrew NDB

07-12-2020, 07:09 PM

I've been open to the idea somewhat since I enjoy Rick & Morty... but if this trailer represents what it's going to be, that is painfully unfunny.

neatoman

07-24-2020, 01:52 AM

New clip... How sad is it that this depicts reckless, impulsive behaviour as more of a bad thing than what the last few movies, STD and Picard ever did?
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DarkFell

07-26-2020, 11:26 PM

The Critical Drinker gave me a few chuckles with his review of the series. Adult language is prevalent in there.
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neatoman

07-27-2020, 12:03 AM

The Critical Drinker gave me a few chuckles with his review of the series. Adult language is prevalent in there.
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I already seen this video. His criticism of Mariner seems a little weird when:

She is clearly immature, stuck with a menial task and almost gets someone killed in the trailer.
In the full clip of her making fun of Boilmer for making a fake Captain's log, it turns out she's drunk on illegal whisky and cuts his leg by accident.

Dismissing her as some character meant to make others look useless makes no sense when it's clear that she's a dangerous idiot.

Andrew NDB

08-07-2020, 01:45 AM

Saw the first episode. It is very much Rick & Morty by way of Star Trek... trying really hard to be funny but is painfully unfunny. And I love Rick & Morty and find that show super funny. Not even a chuckle here from me.

Yeah. Pretty sad that they think this is what people want.

NinjaPug

08-07-2020, 07:39 AM

I liked the idea of the show (mainly because of McMahan?s TNG Season 8 parody account) but seeing it in action I agree - I?m not sure Trek is set up for the Rick & Morty / Solar Opposites treatment. I?ll keep watching to see if it finds its footing though.

I liked it more than Discovery and Picard.

neatoman

08-07-2020, 07:55 AM

The first episode was a little better on a second viewing but it is true that there are many jokes that don't land. The biggest problem aside from that is that the characters aren't particularily well defined aside from Boimler and Mariner so far.

It's a little sad to think that this Rick and Morty clone is the best Star Trek CBS All Access has made after three years, especially when it just seems mediocre so far.

Jester

08-14-2020, 01:54 AM

Just finished the 2nd episode. I HATE the Boimler/Mariner dynamic. It's one joke told 17 different ways per episode. I much prefer the stuff with Tendi and Rutherford. So far, all these CBS All Access Treks are making me want to do is rewatch TNG.

Andrew NDB

08-14-2020, 03:54 AM

I'd be way more into a satire of Star Trek if JJ and Klukzman hadn't been already doing that since 2009.

Jester

08-14-2020, 07:16 PM

Wouldn't it be interesting if with Orville being canceled after season 3 it lead to Seth McFarlane being brought in to work on Lower Decks season 2?

Andrew NDB

08-14-2020, 11:16 PM

Wouldn't it be interesting if with Orville being canceled after season 3 it lead to Seth McFarlane being brought in to work on Lower Decks season 2?

Meh. I'd rather see him STD or STP, to try and save those ships.

Jester

08-14-2020, 11:33 PM

That could work too.

NinjaPug

08-15-2020, 08:34 AM

Wouldn't it be interesting if with Orville being canceled after season 3 it lead to Seth McFarlane being brought in to work on Lower Decks season 2?

I?m hoping that report about the Orville isn?t true. It originated from some rando blogger plus it seems weird that Hulu would throw in the towel so soon after acquiring it from Fox.

Doubtful Seth could work on anything Trek related after he signed his big deal with Universal.

Jester

08-15-2020, 07:25 PM

Yeah, I heard the rumors of Orville's cancellation may be greatly exaggerated...after i posted that. :D

oldmanwinters

08-15-2020, 07:31 PM

Is it sad that The Orville is probably the best take on the Star Trek genre in over a decade?

NinjaPug

10-08-2020, 12:29 PM

This show really grew on me as the season progressed. Still don’t like Mariner especially her dynamic with Boimler but I liked everything else.

I figured we’d be getting that TNG character at some point so happy it happened in the finale (won’t spoil for those who haven’t watched yet)

Also liked the dig at JJ in last weeks episode with the lens flares.

Jester

10-09-2020, 09:30 AM

I kinda find it interesting that both this and the Picard finales rely on Capt. Will Riker coming to save the day.

Spike Spiegel

10-17-2020, 06:33 AM

For what it's worth, I think this is the best show from this era of Star Trek. The satirical aspect pokes fun at a lot of the issues I have with the JJ movies and Discovery specifically (Burnham now seems like the kind of character Mariner would create in a holodeck simulation).

I actually finished watching the season with a big smile on my face. It would be nice if someone like this Mike McMahan guy took over as a story editor for the franchise in some capacity.

Andrew NDB

10-17-2020, 07:33 AM

Funny, I'd already watched the first one weeks ago. Just saw 2-4.

Nope. Still painfully unfunny. I'm just sitting here looking at the TV with this rapid fire "funny" talk rife with ST references with a flat face.

And again, I love Rick & Morty. BTW, when does THAT come back?

ZariusTwo

10-18-2020, 10:07 AM

In the second season of Lower Decks, Mariner's sexuality will be openly explored, and we're introduced to an ex-girlfriend of hers

https://trekmovie.com/2020/10/13/star-trek-lower-decks-season-2-will-explore-mariners-sexuality-and-probably-feature-more-tng-cameos/

Also, according to Mike McMahan, every Starfleet officer is on some level bisexual.

Vegita-San

10-18-2020, 10:29 AM

Progressivness needs to be reclassified as insanity at this point.

Leo656

10-18-2020, 10:03 PM

:lol:

Okay, I don't watch the show and I don't have any problem with gay/bisexual/whatever people, but hear me out for a second.

"People who aren't straight", let's just say for simplicity's sake, are always and forever saying that they don't have any agendas outside of "tolerance", and they're not trying to "erase" straight people and they're not trying to "brainwash or indoctrinate" anyone.

BUT, then you have situations like this and the Netflix She-Ra show, where straight people simply don't exist OR if they do they're villains, or some combination thereof.

Um... yeah, that's... that's the very definition of "straight erasure", as well as a little bit of "indoctrination" or at least social conditioning. Definitely, definitely what could be called "an agenda", certainly.

As one male friend of mine once said to another, female, militant Feminist friend of mine during a heated debate: "You people aren't at all concerned with 'equality', you just wanna take over and 'get even' with everybody who ever gave you sh*t. Just be honest about it."

Kinda hard to argue with that logic in the face of... well, everything. Like literally everything.

Andrew NDB

10-19-2020, 01:18 AM

Ugh. This show first needs to prove that it's good before it starts being the paragon of LGBTQ. It hasn't done that.

Leo656

10-19-2020, 04:24 AM

But... isn't that in fact what they do with shows nowadays when they're NOT good, or otherwise have nothing important to say? They just jump on that particular bandwagon because it means they're now immune to all criticism. You can't have a negative opinion of the show(s) without automatically having a negative opinion about an entire group of people.

Isn't that how it works, now? Pretty sure that's how it's been working across the board in movies and TV for the last three or four years.

neatoman

04-07-2021, 05:01 PM

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Seems dialouge is getting a little closer to R&M/SO with the characters referring to in-universe events as "Sci-Fi stuff". It would be weird if they started to break the fourth wall like in those shows.

CyberCubed

04-12-2024, 04:15 PM

Season 5 of Lower Decks will be the final season, just confirmed. Also Strange New Worlds has already been renewed for Season 4 before Season 3 even airs.

neatoman

12-19-2024, 04:33 PM

member_removed

12-23-2024, 07:20 PM

The show ended, with uh... There being a permanent portal to other realities being opened, make what you will of that. There is also an implication that STD takes place in a different reality and that's why the Klingons looked different, though they don't say that outright.

I'm happy with that.

I really enjoy Lower Decks. I felt as it progressed it really found its feet.

I enjoyed Marriner's Inner Light quest this season.