Rise of the TMNT- My opinion

[TurtleToys]

Ok so I’m fairly new to the forum and I’m not sure if I’m doing this right by starting a new thread. But I want to give my opinion of Rise of the TMNT and see if anybody else agrees. I’m 31, my kids are 7 and 10. We LOVED the 2012 series and watched every episode together probably a million times. I personally grew up on the original cartoon and toys and have been a fan my whole life.
I’m not sure how many episodes of Rise I’ve watched but I’m guessing between 8-10? I’ve watched a few episodes multiple times. I’m guilty that they haven’t been all in order but I just don’t see any continuity in the story line. I know that it’s early, but I also don’t see much growth in the characters. I feel like it’s lacking respect to the old turtles.(I know, this is the turtles as younger kids).
The animation is AWESOME. But it’s so fast that I have to rewind stuff because I miss things. Maybe I’m just getting old? But I feel like it’s hard to follow. I don’t know, I just feel like they could slow it down and focus more on the story and less on the action. I’m trying to give it a chance but my kids won’t even watch it with me. They don’t like it. I personally like the designs and the toys are pretty good but I don’t see this lasting like the last few reboots. Is it here to stay? I’m not trying to start an argument or fight with anybody, it’s just my opinion. Hopefully I don’t sound like a broken record, I know a lot of this has been said before. I don’t know guys, what do you think?

[CyberCubed]

There seems to be some building story and continuity going, the Foot stole that mystic statue hand, and they're alluding to more having to do with Splinter, it's just going slowly for now. For now they're making episodic mutant of the week eps.

As for the show in general it was already renewed for Season 2, we're getting another year of it at least. So 52 half hours.

[Coola Yagami]

Ninja Turtles don't always appeal to everyone. I remember seeing a friend's kid he didn't like them back in the 2003 era, and kids saying they were lame while I was busy deciding which 2012 figure to buy. Most kids, I assume, prefer comedy cartoons than action cartoons, even if TMNT tries to mix both. Maybe that's why Netflix gets all the cool and more story driven action shows, because kids wouldn't have the attention span for that kinda stuff and would rather watch Spongebob and TTG.

I do see that Rise is more about the action than story, and honestly, that's OK, since some shows are like that. I know we're all TMNT fans but it seems we always demand Shakespeare and super deep life pondering questions when it's a show about talking turtles. Sometimes it can be a past paced all action show.

[TigerClaw]

I have a bunch of episodes that got recorded on my Tivo. But I haven't brought myself to watching them yet.

I watch all of the 2012 series. It was a good series that appealed to all ages. It had some good stories. and a lot of the humor that only adults would understand. Rise on the other hand was made strictly for kids. And there's nothing in the series that appeals to adults. All its humor seems directly at kids.

The 87 series appealed to all ages. And it had stuff that adults could enjoy. But Rise is a completely different take on TMNT. Which is why I understand why the fanbase is split on this new series.

This new series completely changed a key element that made the Turtles brothers. They were all related due to being the same species of Turtles. Rise completely changes that by making them different species of Turtles. So they are no longer blood related. This time they are brothers because they are mutants.

Another complain I been hearing about. Is this show's depiction of April. They made her an African american for this incarnation which I think is fine. However most people complain that she's acting like your stereotypical black women.

Rise is a show made by committee. The 2012 series was telling good stories and pushing boundaries on what they could show in a kids show. I think its the reason why Nickelodeon canceled it after 5 seasons. Because that show was attracting an older audience. and Nickelodeon didn't want that because they are strictly a Network for Kids.

This is what happened with Cartoon Network. Teen Titans was canceled because it was attracting an older audience. And women make up a big chunk of it and they didn't want that. So they canceled it and created Teen Titans Go.

[sdp]

Oh wow, I think this is the first time I see a negative comment from Tigerclaw :lol: and even then it's worded very carefully to not come off necessarily negative. I'm impressed.

[Autbot_Benz]

holy crap TigerClaw being negative about something instead of praising everything coming off as a shill.

https://i.imgur.com/QdCnV1p.gif

[Papenbrook]

Another complain I been hearing about. Is this show's depiction of April. They made her an African american for this incarnation which I think is fine. However most people complain that she's acting like your stereotypical black women.

I'm one of those people.

Really, the executives should just hire writers of color. Maybe then, they could have a better grasp of April's character.

Rise is a show made by committee.

I also agree with this.

[80gmrp]

Rise is a show made by committee. The 2012 series was telling good stories and pushing boundaries on what they could show in a kids show. I think its the reason why Nickelodeon canceled it after 5 seasons. Because that show was attracting an older audience. and Nickelodeon didn't want that because they are strictly a Network for Kids.

This is what happened with Cartoon Network. Teen Titans was canceled because it was attracting an older audience. And women make up a big chunk of it and they didn't want that. So they canceled it and created Teen Titans Go.

I can picture validity to that argument, personally. After all, while an older series, Invader Zim was also cancelled after only one season due to it being too adult oriented, among other things. Course, the irony is that I'm seeing very occassional similarities in humor in Rise.

Regardless, I'd also have to agree about April: too tomboyish for my liking.

[IndigoErth]

Oh wow, I think this is the first time I see a negative comment from Tigerclaw :lol: and even then it's worded very carefully to not come off necessarily negative. I'm impressed.
holy crap TigerClaw being negative about something instead of praising everything coming off as a shill.
When that happens, you know it's gone too far. :lol: (Wish I was only joking, but maybe there is some truth in it...?)




Really, the executives should just hire writers of color. And at least one or two of them woman, please.

Don't mind if she's kind of a tomboy as suggested, but she's definitely obnoxious and reckless in some parts and being at the forefront more than the human sidekick should.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Ninja Turtles don't always appeal to everyone. I remember seeing a friend's kid he didn't like them back in the 2003 era, and kids saying they were lame while I was busy deciding which 2012 figure to buy. Most kids, I assume, prefer comedy cartoons than action cartoons, even if TMNT tries to mix both. Maybe that's why Netflix gets all the cool and more story driven action shows, because kids wouldn't have the attention span for that kinda stuff and would rather watch Spongebob and TTG.

I do see that Rise is more about the action than story, and honestly, that's OK, since some shows are like that. I know we're all TMNT fans but it seems we always demand Shakespeare and super deep life pondering questions when it's a show about talking turtles. Sometimes it can be a past paced all action show.

I don't believe anyone is asking for something in the same vein as Shakespeare (God, I hate that analogy so much:roll:). If a billionaire playboy who dresses as a bat can get memorable stories written for him, so can talking turtles.

[TigerClaw]

Intestingly however. Teen Titans Go. Despite being aimed at a younger audience. It still manages to cram in some adult humor. Humor that only adults would get. and a lot of it is meta humor.

Who knows where they can take the humor in Rise. But hopefully they take a page right out of Teen Titans Go.

[sdp]

Rise is cool but I would've preferred a Teen Titans Go rip-off with the TMNT.

[IndigoErth]

If a billionaire playboy who dresses as a bat can get memorable stories written for him, so can talking turtles.
:tthumbsu:

Hope a tv series one of these days is able to look past the green skin and the shell and see them for the awesome, relatable guys that they are, with all the potential that they have beyond just being marked as "talking animals" for kids shows and shoved further down to a lower rung instead of elevating them to a higher one.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

:tthumbsu:

Hope a tv series one of these days is able to look past the green skin and the shell and see them for the awesome, relatable guys that they are, with all the potential that they have beyond just being marked as "talking animals" for kids shows and shoved further down to a lower rung instead of elevating them to a higher one.

I am one of those people who thinks that the one of the main appeals of the tmnt are they that they're talking animals. If they were four human teenagers, wouldn't be anywhere as interesting in my opinion, and I'm not ashamed for liking them due to such a "shallow" reason.

[IndigoErth]

I'm sure if they continue to decline under Nick's 'care' then some of you will be vary happy still.

Fortunately, being able to be regarded and treated as people isn't exclusive to just human characters. Been clear for a while that there are definitely two camps, those that see them as people first, and those who see them as animals first.

Personally they were never animals to me. Just different and had a different start.

[Papenbrook]

And at least one or two of them woman, please.

They should hire some directors of color while they're at it, too.

[neatoman]

The clerk at my comic book shop asked me what I thought of this show. I explained that the episodes were released out of order, tried to explain how the show set up the mutants, brought up the Warren Stone episode as an example of what kind of stories it tends to tell and how it made Baxter a kid.

He didn't think it sounded like something he want to watch.

[Kendamu]

This show feels like the 1987 version reincarnated for kids in 2018. Since I have a lot of nostalgia for the '87 version, my wife and I have a ton of fun with this show. We like most of the other versions of TMNT as well but for different reasons.

I'm really glad it's already been renewed for a second season because we really enjoy laughing together with this show.

[CyberCubed]

But...this show isn't anything like the original cartoon. Reminds me of people saying the 2012 show was like the original cartoon just because it has mutants. None of the Nick cartoons and original cartoon resemble each other in the slightest, I don't get where these comparisons come from. The Turtles eating pizza and fighting mutants is where the similarities stop.

[Coola Yagami]

But...this show isn't anything like the original cartoon. Reminds me of people saying the 2012 show was like the original cartoon just because it has mutants. None of the Nick cartoons and original cartoon resemble each other in the slightest, I don't get where these comparisons come from. The Turtles eating pizza and fighting mutants is where the similarities stop.

Because this show is made for the kids of today just like the 80s version were for kids of that era. They're fun for different reason because times are different.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

You could say that for any animated series of them just like any cartoon based on comic book heroes. The differences that Cubed is explaining still applies.

As much we grow tiresome of the FW pandering Viacom does, the show itself still knew how to handle humor while the turtles take situations seriously whether the plotline or predicament was goofy or not. They (Raphael especially) knew when something was unnatural. It was 'camp' but in an entertaining way.

With Rise, I understand that it's a comedy but the humor just seems to either rely on what's popular or literally trying hard to gel with certain groups of its audiences. It feels like it's trying to hard to be funny but feels not natural. I'm still not keen on the designs and a few of the main characters are unlikable to me (Splinter being lazy, April being the Scrappy Doo, Leo being a try hard one-liner who couldn't even hold a candle to FW Raph or 03 Mikey). It's an acquired taste that just doesn't sit well with me, so far.

[TigerClaw]

This show feels like the 1987 version reincarnated for kids in 2018. Since I have a lot of nostalgia for the '87 version, my wife and I have a ton of fun with this show. We like most of the other versions of TMNT as well but for different reasons.

I'm really glad it's already been renewed for a second season because we really enjoy laughing together with this show.
I totally disagree on this. This show ain't nothing like the 1987 version. The 1987 series was way smarter then this. The 1987 show appealed to all ages. Rise appears to be more dumb down to appeal to a younger audience. So don't expect some huge plots that will resolve a few episodes later.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I totally disagree on this. This show ain't nothing like the 1987 version. The 1987 series was way smarter then this. The 1987 show appealed to all ages. Rise appears to be more dumb down to appeal to a younger audience. So don't expect some huge plots that will resolve a few episodes later.

This is quite a shock from you given to how open you usually are towards TMNT. But I applaud you greatly.

[TigerClaw]

This is quite a shock from you given to how open you usually are towards TMNT. But I applaud you greatly.
I am very open to TMNT. But it bothers me when someone just all of sudden compares the new series to the original.

The original set a standard for TMNT in general. It doesn't have to be anything like the previous shows. It is its own thing. Its how I look at this. And I have no issues with it.

My only issue and its a minor one. Is its simplicity in its storytelling. Its the reason why this show is aimed at Kids. Do I hate it? Nope. I just feel they could do more with it and do something that even the adults can enjoy. Take a look at Teen Titans Go for example. Its a show made for Kids. But its humor is aimed at adults. There's a lot of it that would go over a kid's head. But for adults. They get laughs out of it.

[Powder]

It blows my mind how you can be so critical of this yet love the 2 most recent films.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This thread blew my mind. :teek:

Wow, TigerClaw. You are definitely shocking us with your opinions here. :tlol:

[Sabacooza]

This must really be the end times if TigerClaw is being critical of this show. I thought he loved everything.:lol:

[IndigoErth]

Ralph TigerClaw Breaks the Internet Forum

You are now entering the Twilight, er, Turtlelight Zone.

[Kendamu]

I am very open to TMNT. But it bothers me when someone just all of sudden compares the new series to the original.

The original set a standard for TMNT in general. It doesn't have to be anything like the previous shows. It is its own thing. Its how I look at this. And I have no issues with it.

My only issue and its a minor one. Is its simplicity in its storytelling. Its the reason why this show is aimed at Kids. Do I hate it? Nope. I just feel they could do more with it and do something that even the adults can enjoy. Take a look at Teen Titans Go for example. Its a show made for Kids. But its humor is aimed at adults. There's a lot of it that would go over a kid's head. But for adults. They get laughs out of it.

My comparison isn't "all of a sudden" nor do you have to agree with me for my feelings on the show to be valid. I've watched everything that's been released or aired so far multiple times and, "This is like a reincarnation of the '87 toon for kids in 2018," is what I got from it.

If you don't get the '87 vibe from a colorful comedy show that's full of mutants and has Leo literally wielding a sword seemingly inspired by The Ninja Sword of Nowhere, then that's totally on you. Don't act like I'm somehow "wrong" for my interpretation of the material.

You're just repeating the same "new version hate" that happens every time this happens. Mirage to '87. '87 to 2k3. 90s films to the 2007 film. 2k3 to 2012. 2012 to Rise.

Every time. Like clockwork. And you're being a jerk about it, too.

[TigerClaw]

The one thing I do not like. Is that all 4 turtles are different species of Turtles. I just don't see them as brothers in that way. In this show they aren't brothers in the biological sense. But rather as brothers just because they are mutants.

I prefer my Turtles to be related biologically. Which makes a lot more sense in the whole brother dynamic.

These Turtles are more like adopted Brothers. As the show progresses. Hopefully they explain how they all of a sudden end up in the same place they got mutated. Its pretty unsusual that a Red Ear Slider, a Box Turtle, Softshell Turtle. and a Snapping Turtle end up in the same place where the mutation happens. So hopefully this show will have a more logical explanation for that. But given that its a kids show. They are just gonna forego telling the origin and run with it. There origin has been explain so many times. They probably thought it was just best to just run with it. and hopefully people will buy it.

I'm seeing a lot of mix reactions to this new series. Not just here. But on the social medias. This has really struck a cord with a lot of people and there are concerns.

[Papenbrook]

The one thing I do not like. Is that all 4 turtles are different species of Turtles. I just don't see them as brothers in that way.

Um ... okay? What do you mean by th-

In this show they aren't brothers in the biological sense. But rather as brothers just because they are mutants.

I prefer my Turtles to be related biologically. Which makes a lot more sense in the whole brother dynamic.

Oh. How do I explain this?

In this particular version, the turtles (and Splinter) are, at least metaphorically, supposed to represent a multicultural family unit. (Like, that's one of the main points of the series, yo.)

Hence, why they are all different species of that particular animal.

[Leo656]

People get it. Nobody doesn't "get it." Some of them just don't like it. Make sense?

And WOW, I've personally called TigerClaw many things, but "a jerk", I don't think, is one of them. Ouch. Bad form, son.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

My comparison isn't "all of a sudden" nor do you have to agree with me for my feelings on the show to be valid. I've watched everything that's been released or aired so far multiple times and, "This is like a reincarnation of the '87 toon for kids in 2018," is what I got from it.

If you don't get the '87 vibe from a colorful comedy show that's full of mutants and has Leo literally wielding a sword seemingly inspired by The Ninja Sword of Nowhere, then that's totally on you. Don't act like I'm somehow "wrong" for my interpretation of the material.

You're just repeating the same "new version hate" that happens every time this happens. Mirage to '87. '87 to 2k3. 90s films to the 2007 film. 2k3 to 2012. 2012 to Rise.

Every time. Like clockwork. And you're being a jerk about it, too.

You're gonna need to elaborate more on how you get a FW vibe out of this because any similarities between this and FW are pure coincidence.

No one is trying to "repeat the hate on the next version", especially someone like Tigerclaw. What a world when I have to defend someone I usually don't agree with.

[TigerClaw]

Out of curiosity I created a Poll last night on which TMNT animated series is better. And I put in 4 selection with Rise being one of them. There's only 10 hours left. So pick one you personally think is the better series. This isn't a knock on Rise or anything. But I wanna see what the general consensus think is the better series.
https://twitter.com/TigerClaw305/status/1057099995743248386

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Out of curiosity I created a Poll last night on which TMNT animated series is better. And I put in 4 selection with Rise being one of them. There's only 10 hours left. So pick one you personally think is the better series. This isn't a knock on Rise or anything. But I wanna see what the general consensus think is the better series.
https://twitter.com/TigerClaw305/status/1057099995743248386

I don't do Twitter, but I'd vote for 4Kids. I suppose second place would have to be Nick 2012.

Also, it still feels really bizarre to see TC not liking something TMNT. :tlol:

[TigerClaw]

I don't do Twitter, but I'd vote for 4Kids. I suppose second place would have to be Nick 2012.

Also, it still feels really bizarre to see TC not liking something TMNT. :tlol:
I never said I didn't like it. I don't know where all those assumptions came from. You can like a series even if you don't like one aspect of it. :tlol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I never said I didn't like it. I don't know where all those assumptions came from. You can like a series even if you don't like one aspect of it. :tlol:

...

That makes way more sense.

[80gmrp]

Out of curiosity I created a Poll last night on which TMNT animated series is better. And I put in 4 selection with Rise being one of them. There's only 10 hours left. So pick one you personally think is the better series. This isn't a knock on Rise or anything. But I wanna see what the general consensus think is the better series.
https://twitter.com/TigerClaw305/status/1057099995743248386

Shame: my own favorite series (2003/4Kids) is pretty low in the results, though at least it has votes at all.

[TigerClaw]

2 hours left on my Twitter Poll. With 36 votes. Both 1987 and 2012 are tied with 39%. 2003 at 22%. And 2018 with 0%. I guess Rise is still completely under the radar by most fans since its still new.

[IndigoErth]

How can 2003 be so low? Honestly I'd say that one is tied for me with '87, both liked equally for separate reasons. (Yes, much of that reason for '87 being nostalgia.) 2012 a quite close second. (Honestly, if they were age-wise played more like the maturity of 2003's Turtles then it might have been a 3-way tie.)

'Rise' gets fourth (er, third if two were both in 1st?)... because there are no additional cartoons to put in front of it yet. (Unless those future ones were worse, god forbid.)

[TigerClaw]

With 1 Hour left and 37 votes. 2012 = 41% 1987 = 38% 2003 = 22% and 2018 = 0%

[TigerClaw]

Well. The Final Results are 1987 and 2012 are tied with 38%. 2003 is 23% and 2018 is 0%

[Vegeta]

My comparison isn't "all of a sudden" nor do you have to agree with me for my feelings on the show to be valid. I've watched everything that's been released or aired so far multiple times and, "This is like a reincarnation of the '87 toon for kids in 2018," is what I got from it.

If you don't get the '87 vibe from a colorful comedy show that's full of mutants and has Leo literally wielding a sword seemingly inspired by The Ninja Sword of Nowhere, then that's totally on you. Don't act like I'm somehow "wrong" for my interpretation of the material.

You're just repeating the same "new version hate" that happens every time this happens. Mirage to '87. '87 to 2k3. 90s films to the 2007 film. 2k3 to 2012. 2012 to Rise.

Every time. Like clockwork. And you're being a jerk about it, too.

Nah, he's not being a jerk. The shows have almost nothing in common other than the TMNT brand. Rise is really really terrible.

[Kenwatanabesclone]

Nah, he's not being a jerk. The shows have almost nothing in common other than the TMNT brand. Rise is really really terrible.

I don’t want to join a fight here, and with all due respect, I fail to see how somebody can adore the 87 series but absolutely loathe Rise. The original cartoon (in my opinion) is very, very cheesy. It’s also dull and every episode is the same Mutant of the week plot. Rise is just as childish and colorful as the OT and even has decent humor and a loose storyline, but it’s hated because the turtles look different and nostalgia goggles.

[Leo656]

There's a bit more to it than that, man.

Even at its silliest, the original cartoon wasn't full-blown Tex Avery/Looney Tunes. That's exactly what "Rise" is: TMNT by way of Looney Tunes. Some people dig that, I guess, but it's about the furthest thing away from what I'd ever want to see, and apparently a lot of others feel the same.

The original show and the newest one are completely different types of "goofy"; the word definitely applies to both, but there are totally different degrees. It's completely understandable why some people can appreciate the original and not the new one. They're both comedic; otherwise, they're nothing alike at all. "Nostalgia Goggles" really is over-simplifying it, in this case.

[asfaloth12]

This show reminds me of Spongebob in a way. Very, very silly, but entertaining at times. That said, I can totally understand why fans would dislike it. If you can't stand dumb humor, then this show is not for you. It's extremely unlikely to ever be one of my favorite versions of TMNT, and I can't imagine myself ever buying any of the DVDs.

[Leo656]

I love dumb, random humor. I thoroughly enjoy Aqua Teen and 12 Oz. Mouse, while fully acknowledging that, at the very least, 12 Oz. Mouse is terrible. :lol:

I just don't want to see TMNT anywhere near that kind of thing. I fully acknowledge that the brand has a lot of diversity woven into it, and you can pretty much present it however you want and get away with it, but THIS kind of TMNT is, to me, pretty much the Worst-Case Scenario, and there's nothing to counter-balance it in the mainstream. That's ultimately my problem with it; not that it's "dumb, random humor", but because A. I don't think that's the best way to present TMNT, and B. We also get no alternative, it's This or Nothing.

Before anyone "corrects" me, I don't consider the comic books mainstream. The tiniest fraction of people who are aware of the TMNT brand read the comics, but "everyone" watches the cartoons and movies. Therefore, it's THOSE adaptations, in my mind, that have the greatest responsibility to present the brand with dignity and respect.

If we at the very least ALSO had another show or a movie that was, y'know... "better", I doubt I'd even know this one existed, let alone be in a position to have an opinion of it.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Before anyone "corrects" me, I don't consider the comic books mainstream. The tiniest fraction of people who are aware of the TMNT brand read the comics, but "everyone" watches the cartoons and movies. Therefore, it's THOSE adaptations, in my mind, that have the greatest responsibility to present the brand with dignity and respect.

I'd like to think that's the case for all comic book properties especially in Marvel's case. It's weird since you get some fans of superhero films referencing the comics despite the likelihood that they get their information on the internet. Could one say that comics is a small market compared to cartoons and movies? Not just for TMNT but for others as well?

[TigerClaw]

The issue with Rise is that its made for the short attention span generation. those that don't want deep stories and plot. and just want something simplistic to follow.

[IndigoErth]

Follow? More like, "Just entertain me for a few minutes with flashy colors."

Seriously, Hypnotoad will someday be the thing. (Oh god, we've already got a hypnopotamus, we're getting close.)

[TigerClaw]

Follow? More like, "Just entertain me for a few minutes with flashy colors."
Yep. Those with short attention spans.

[Andrew NDB]

The 87 series appealed to all ages. And it had stuff that adults could enjoy.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vampirediaries/images/4/44/Stanley-laugh.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140809041633

[neatoman]

The 87 series appealed to all ages. And it had stuff that adults could enjoy.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vampirediaries/images/4/44/Stanley-laugh.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140809041633

Yeah I'll have to agree with Andrew on this one, the only adults who enjoy that show are those who grew up with it and don't want to be critical due to nostalgia.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Yeah I'll have to agree with Andrew on this one, the only adults who enjoy that show are those who grew up with it and don't want to be critical due to nostalgia.

I am an adult who didn't grow up with it, and I still enjoy it :)

[Leo656]

Nah, my parents both thought the original TMNT cartoon was hilarious.

...They both smoked a looooooooot of pot, but, they were in their 40s and thoroughly thought it was a good show. So, there's that.

Then agaaaaain... they ALSO were huge Grateful Dead fans... which is like, the biggest determining factor of all time in whether or not you have terrible taste and nobody should acknowledge your opinions. So maybe they were just stupid and liked stupid things.

Yeah, no, that's what it was. Grateful Dead fandom is 100% inexcusable. You guys are right; rather than being an exception to a rule, my parents simply liked awful things. :ohwell:

[rickwj324]

Nah, he's not being a jerk. The shows have almost nothing in common other than the TMNT brand. Rise is really really terrible.

I'm a huge TMNT fan, as are my 6 and 9 year old boys. I absolutely hate this show!! You would think my boys would like it but NO...they don't! Their first comment watching it was "why did they take off the other show to put this on!?".
I can get past the visuals of the show if it was even remotely entertaining story-wise. I find the writing is terrible, especially for Splinter and April! I could care less that they changed April's ethnicity, but does she have to speak like a stereotypical ghetto girl? The sad thing is, the actress who plays her sounds nothing like that. She's a very beautiful and talented actress and would come across much better if she just used her normal voice. And don't get me started on Splinter...what's the point of this bloated, tv watching, juvenile acting idiot?!
Ok.... I've griped enough. I enjoy collecting TMNT merchandise and have a HUGE collection, but I will not be supporting this show. When we first saw the figures in the store I asked my 6 year old if he wanted a set of the turtles and he quickly responded with "no thanks"!

[Cowa]

I'm also a new member (although I've been reading The Technodrome forums for years now) and I don't want to be rude, but may I be honest? I agree with almost everything that was said here.
I'm not very found of the design and all the changes they made concerning this new series, but I could easily get past this if the story was good enough. The thing is that I find this show so... dumb. I know it is aimed for small kids, but I don't think this is a valid excuse since there's plenty of good kid's shows that are far from being dumb, like the last series for example.
In a nutshell, I'd say my problems with ROTTMNT are:
-Plot and storytelling are confused and too fast paced
-They are trying too hard to be funny. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy dumb humor but in my opinion in this case the "dumb" isn't followed by the "humor"
-Voice acting is dull and awkard
-The turtles are a softer version of their 2012 counterparts mixed with plain innocence and stupidity
-April is more OOC than Leo and Splinter is simply disgusting
-Character design is ugly and weird.
-And lastly, villains aren't that much memorable
Now for the good points I'd say I like the collors and the fact they decided to make Donatello a grump guy is the best thing of this show.
I'm sorry for the rant but I love TMNT and it's kinda sad to have an animated series going on and not be able to enjoy it.

[TMNTmousers]

1987 series was great had great episodes like Night of the Rogues, Legend of Koji, characters -The turtles, Shredder, Bebop, Rocksteady etc

2003- A new take on tmnt great episodes Return to New York, Hun on the Run, Big Brawl arc, characters Bishop, Hun, Dark Turtles etc

2012 another great series with Shredder, Rahzar, Fishface, Tiger Claw, Slash, great eps Slash and Destroy, Requiem, Owari etc

2018 I personally don't like anything about this series.

[TheShredder777]

1987: This series gets a lot of flack for being cheesy. It had some bad moments, mainly due to the censors, but overall I think it's great. To me, the pilot episodes will always be what that show was and they are my favorite TMNT thing on film. I dare anyone to find anything in the pilot episodes that are as cheesy as headless ape robots with butt cannons.

2003: I love this show as well. I appreciate it more now than I did when it aired and can thoroughly enjoy re-watching the whole series.

2012: This show had it's ups and downs as well. From stealth, ninja sequences and straight up murder, down to the aforementioned butt apes. It's a show I sat down and watched with my children and gave us something we could share and enjoy together.

2018: Meh

[dragonside]

i feel like this show has some good things.

Animation quality is amazing.

I think based on a few of the episodes I've seen ,it has potential to be good. I'd like them to get into a real story arc rather than the one off villains and episodes so far.

I just hope it doesn't get into that "beware the batman" syndrome. I worried that the TMNT 2012 series would be like that, but i genuinely enjoyed the show. I would say generally the toys had decent sales.


Now for Rise, its not even just about the show, its about the toy sales.... so let's see how they do. If it goes the way of next mutation.

[Xav]

Nah, my parents both thought the original TMNT cartoon was hilarious.

...They both smoked a looooooooot of pot, but, they were in their 40s and thoroughly thought it was a good show. So, there's that.

Then agaaaaain... they ALSO were huge Grateful Dead fans... which is like, the biggest determining factor of all time in whether or not you have terrible taste and nobody should acknowledge your opinions. So maybe they were just stupid and liked stupid things.

Yeah, no, that's what it was. Grateful Dead fandom is 100% inexcusable. You guys are right; rather than being an exception to a rule, my parents simply liked awful things. :ohwell:I surprised you ended up as well adjusted as you did.

[Leo656]

Me too. :lol:

[Krutch]

I wouldn't say Rise is terrible - it's just so off base to my tastes to even form an honest critique.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Have you guys rewatched any episodes so far?

[Powder]

Most of them.

[Technogeek29]

Mostly lurk as it is usually absurdly late when I am on for you guys so here goes...

1987: Yeah it's dumb cheesy and sometimes nonsensical (which is saying a lot given the title) But I still find it enjoyable and can watch a good portion of it with only the world touring episodes being the one's a I tend to skip.

2003: I grew up with this one and despite it's serious tone it's also cheesy and melodramatic but in a good way. I tend to like a lot of the fast forward episodes as well but haven't re-watched any episode of back to the sewers. This also made me seek out the mirage comics which I would spend the rest of my time until 2012 reading through.

2012: The version most current in most people's minds right now looking back I overall enjoyed this series and so does my niece and she has made me re-watched it at least by this point 5 times. Our favorite past time is to video chat and watch 3 episodes when we can.. My gripes with this series is it's tone whiplash at times and my overall disdain to Michelangelo in this version and the re-watches do not help.

2018: From little episodes I've seen I find myself laughing but I do not feel like re-watching any of it and don't make it a point to see every episode as they come out. I only now just caught up to every other dromer here. Overall opinion is the same as before it aired I don't really care for it.

[newfan]

Pleasantly surprised to see someone who still likes 2012. Not to say it’s my own favorite series (I still prefer 2003), but I’m fully aware how some ROT fans are going as far as bashing 2012 simply because it’s no longer current.
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Really? maybe they didn't like it to begin with? I know I haven't lost any love for it anyway :D

Edit: Regarding dropping the franchise, I suppose it depends how much of it you have been disappointed with, or for how long you been disappointed. If this is the only version people really don't like then maybe wait and see what comes next, what route they take after this? Course, people are free to think and feel what they do, just my own two cents there.

[newfan]

Maybe that’s the case for some of them, and it’s certainly the realistic way to look at it. I know others just jumped ship immediately, though.

Still, what really disturbs me about the newfound love for 2018 in order to bash 2012 is over who once was my favorite of the turtles: Donatello. 2012 at least had some traces of his slightly more humble origins, whereas many ROT Don fans love him because, from what I’ve seen, he’s a rude, egomaniacal psychopath, which half of said people even admit in their explanations.

Yeah, if this is what we should expect for the future of the franchise as a whole, then I think it might be wise for me to bow out, especially since so few are willing to discuss the classics...

So in part it's the fans also for you at this point?
I'm surprised to hear there a some people who would suddenly crap on a version they liked previously just cause they now like another, we can like more than one after all.

Well at least we have a number of varied fans on here so a lot (maybe not all) versions get some love even if it's not equally balanced.

[Powder]

15 year old girls on Tumblr do not define our fandom. That is not the 'community' you're looking for, you were in the wrong place. The kind of fans you describe are not on this forum. Those are the younger crowd, they largely follow what's current & move on to the next cool thing, which is to be expected.

There's an entire section dedicated to the 2012 series here, feel free to start discussion there or anywhere else suited to the "classics". But coming here to bash the new show because you wanna get back at some overzealous kids on another site benefits nobody.

[IndigoErth]

I'm curious of most if those bashing 2012 were into it when it was still current. That would be such catty middle school/high school behavior... Like backstabbers of a former friend who had to move away against their will.

whereas many ROT Don fans love him because, from what I’ve seen, he’s a rude, egomaniacal psychopath, which half of said people even admit in their explanations.
That is kind of messed up and sad if they are attracted to him for those reasons.

[Candy Kappa]

Maybe this fandom (or many other for that matter) isn't for you if you can't handle the Tumblr side of it, especially if the fandom colors your view of the product instead of the product itself.

[Candy Kappa]

"Obey your commands" JFC you're over dramatic, you're the one who seems to wanna "bow out" due to one side of the fandom

[Zulithe]

2012 was pretty close to ideal as far as a CGI TMNT show made in this era. It had some issues related to the show's budget that I can overlook, and it did get a little too "villain of the week" at times, but mostly it hit all the right notes and pleased both old and young fans. It was true to the franchise's roots when it knew it had to be, but knew where to expand or change things appropriately in order to feel fresh and exciting. As someone who grew up with the 80s/90s turtles when it was at its biggest, I still consider the 2012 show to be my favorite TMNT show, and among my favorite iterations of the property right alongside the 1990 live action film and the mirage/IDW comics.

Rise doesn't care about old fans in any way, instead opting to reboot the turtles for a new generation of kids. And after watching a lot of the episodes, I just feel no excitement for the show or what it's trying to do. It's not for me. The TMNT fan inside me will keep revisiting the new episodes occasionally in hopes of resonating with something, but I don't consider myself a fan of Rise or most of differences they went with, across the board. The animation can look nice sometimes, so there's that.

The only saving grace of Rise for me at this point is that, as long as (some) kids out there are liking it, it keeps the franchise chugging along, opening up opportunities for new movies, games, comics and what have you. Some of those things are bound to appeal to me.

Nick will reboot the turtles as infinitely as they have to, or until it fails so many times in a row that they feel it's time to give it a rest. Maybe in a couple years Nick will greenlight something that more established fans can appreciate. I for one would like them to try a show with a more sophisticated approach, more like avatar/korra instead of only going for the under 7yo audience.

[MaximeLoonatic]

Ok, I haven't been in this forum lately because I do enjoy the show, but all the negativity and hate toward it made me to just... being scared to say what I think.
But here I go...
First of all: they are nothing like Teen Titans Go! Their characters have very similar traces of the original series, but more childish; these turtles are nothing like the 2012's, can you imagine if they would have do that? THAT would be a disaster!
Also, the jokes aren't the same: ROTTMNT is more carefree and writes their own story, Teen Titans Go just rip off the stories that we know and made a incomprensible madness that usually make parody or other franchises

Long time ago I wasn't amused by shows because the characters looked silly or that wouldn't change at all... Those shows were Steven Universe and Star vs the Forces of Evil.
And I feel like this show would go in that direction. The word Rise it's the main point of the show. And by the new episode of January 19th, I feel like the storm would come eventually.

There, I say it!
Will my opinion be respected?

[Leo656]

If you don't resort to calling people "salty babies" or "cranky old people" for having a different opinion than yours, I personally don't care what you do or don't like. What you like is your business. I mean this for everyone.

I only watched the pilot, and it made me angry, so I don't watch it. But I get a lot of sh*t for that. The way I look at it, if I am "allowed" to express my opinion that the show is devoid of value and actively damages the brand name, then those who enjoy it are equally allowed to go on about how they feel. Anyone who jumps to either name-calling, or "shut up and go away"-ism, those are individuals whose opinions I do not and will never respect.

[newfan]

Ok, I haven't been in this forum lately because I do enjoy the show, but all the negativity and hate toward it made me to just... being scared to say what I think.
But here I go...
First of all: they are nothing like Teen Titans Go! Their characters have very similar traces of the original series, but more childish; these turtles are nothing like the 2012's, can you imagine if they would have do that? THAT would be a disaster!
Also, the jokes aren't the same: ROTTMNT is more carefree and writes their own story, Teen Titans Go just rip off the stories that we know and made a incomprensible madness that usually make parody or other franchises

Long time ago I wasn't amused by shows because the characters looked silly or that wouldn't change at all... Those shows were Steven Universe and Star vs the Forces of Evil.
And I feel like this show would go in that direction. The word Rise it's the main point of the show. And by the new episode of January 19th, I feel like the storm would come eventually.

There, I say it!
Will my opinion be respected?

We can like and dislike what want, I see name calling on the net for doing either (where it is opinion and not trolling I mean)

So far as Rise, there seems to be a small number on here who vocally like it, I'm sure they'd welcome another to share the appreciation with.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Should we call Rise of the TMNT the Next Mutation of the late-2010's? Not plote-wise, but because of its generally low status among fans.

[Egon1982]

Ninja Turtles don't always appeal to everyone. I remember seeing a friend's kid he didn't like them back in the 2003 era, and kids saying they were lame while I was busy deciding which 2012 figure to buy. Most kids, I assume, prefer comedy cartoons than action cartoons, even if TMNT tries to mix both. Maybe that's why Netflix gets all the cool and more story driven action shows, because kids wouldn't have the attention span for that kinda stuff and would rather watch Spongebob and TTG.

I do see that Rise is more about the action than story, and honestly, that's OK, since some shows are like that. I know we're all TMNT fans but it seems we always demand Shakespeare and super deep life pondering questions when it's a show about talking turtles. Sometimes it can be a past paced all action show.

Yup, Voltron Legendary Defender is totally story driven stuff and i love that.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

They don’t like it.

Have you tried the two previous cartoons, or maybe the Archie comics? I think your children deserve that if they seem to ask for something better.