The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

[Autbot_Benz]

Empire writer Malcolm Spellman has been tapped to write a limited series for Disney’s streaming service that would center around the Marvel superheroes Falcon and Winter Solider, according to Variety.

The news comes on the heels of recent reports that Disney and Marvel were prepping multiple limited series centered MCU characters who have never had their own standalone movies, a la Iron Man, Captain America and Thor. Loki and Scarlet Witch are also expected to be the subject of their own limited series, which are expected to be between six and eight episodes. That addressed one complaint that has plagued some of Marvel’s Netflix series, which typically offer 13-episode seasons, dragging out the story a few hours too long.

Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan would reprise their MCU characters, who had their breakout moments in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, though Stan appeared as Bucky Barnes in the first Captain America movie. The duo most recently appeared together in Avengers: Infinity War.

Spellman becomes the first writer hired on a Marvel series in development at Disney’s streaming service. He’s represented by CAA and Industry Entertainment Partners.

More to come…

http://collider.com/winter-soldier-falcon-tv-series-marvel-disney-streaming/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=social

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Huh.

More Winter Soldier? Yeah, sure!

More Falcon? Pfft. Okay, whatever. :tlol: Anthony Mackie is a great actor, but the character is dullsville.

[Sumac]

Can be interesting.

[Autbot_Benz]

Actor Don Cheadle who plays War Machine/Jim Rhodes in the MCU movies recently told brobible.com in an interview that he will be making an appearance in the upcoming Disney+ Falcon and The Winter Soldier series which will star Anthony Mackie as Sam Wilson (Falcon) and Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes (Winter Soldier).

Actor Don Cheadle who plays War Machine/Jim Rhodes in the MCU movies recently told brobible.com in an interview that he will be making an appearance in the upcoming Disney+ Falcon and The Winter Soldier series which will star Anthony Mackie as Sam Wilson (Falcon) and Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes (Winter Soldier).

https://marvelousnews.com/286-28123?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Autbot_Benz]

IWBsDaFWyTE

[snake]

Looks okay. Kind of bland. I guess Zemo will be neat?

[TigerClaw]

IWBsDaFWyTE
I think this show is gonna be fun.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That's it, huh?

How's a geek supposed to start his hype engine with just that?

3 out of 5 meh's.

[ZariusTwo]

That's it, huh?

How's a geek supposed to start his hype engine with just that?

3 out of 5 meh's.

Care to elaborate?

[Andrew NDB]

I THINK he means, like... yeah it's cool action shots and funny bits and all, but it's not a ton to go on. Like not even real teasers on what we could sit here and speculate on.

[ZariusTwo]

I THINK he means, like... yeah it's cool action shots and funny bits and all, but it's not a ton to go on.

Not everything can, or should be, Wandavision.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I THINK he means, like... yeah it's cool action shots and funny bits and all, but it's not a ton to go on. Like not even real teasers on what we could sit here and speculate on.

Yeah. There were a lot of little jigsaw pieces but none of them lend any hint of the overall picture.

Credit for not spoiling everything, I guess?

[snake]

It looks kinda Agents of SHIELD-y.

Which makes sense and all, given the budget, but the only flavor of Marvel espionage I'm interested in seeing more of is the Metal Gear Solid-lite stuff from Winter Soldier. Hopefully the actual show leans more in that direction than basic, TV show action.

[Andrew NDB]

Omega Red will be in it.

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[Sumac]

Omega Red is a X-Men character, right?

[Andrew NDB]

Omega Red is a X-Men character, right?

Yeah, he's a big X-Men villain. I remember him being rumored for one of the Wolverine movies, but it never happened.

[Sumac]

So it has begun!

[Andrew NDB]

So it has begun!

I guess so. In like a week.

[Autbot_Benz]

I enjoyed the first episode. Good Character post blip episode and the action at the start was great

[Jester]

Watching it now.

Surprised to see Rhodey in it...even if just as a cameo.

[Jester]

Watching it now.

Surprised to see Rhodey in it...even if just as a cameo.

[Andrew NDB]

Saw the first episode. Kind of a lots of twiddling thumbs but hey, it's the opener.

I was hoping for at least a glimpse of Zemo, but alas.

[CyberCubed]

I find it hard to believe Falcon has no money when he worked with Tony Stark and all the other heroes.

[Andrew NDB]

I find it hard to believe Falcon has no money when he worked with Tony Stark and all the other heroes.

They talk about it in the episode. And he's right... it'd be weird if Tony Stark was giving out paychecks to anyone.

[TigerClaw]

Watching it now.

Surprised to see Rhodey in it...even if just as a cameo.
We'll get to see more of him in that Armor Wars show.

[AquaParade]

Great start. Loving this new format for the MCU and how much closer I am finally getting to these characters.

What really irks me is not knowing whether we will see physical releases of these shows anytime soon, if at all.

[CyberCubed]

I also groaned at Bucky saying, "I tried the online dating thing."

Seriously, was this an attempt to be "hip" with the young 20-25 year old demographic of today? Are we honestly led to believe someone who looks like Bucky cannot get a date? And why are they promoting online dating in a TV show?

[Andrew NDB]

Are we honestly led to believe someone who looks like Bucky cannot get a date?

I mean, it tracks that he wouldn't seriously be looking to, right? He was a mind-programmed zombie for many decades until like a year ago in-story (the 5 years doesn't count since he was one of the dusted).

[SS Kakarot]

Great first episode, already enjoying this much more than WandaVision! :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

It had the biggest Disney+ opening ever, beating anything of The Mandalorian and WandaVision.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/falcon-has-biggest-disney-launch/

I mean, I guess that's fair. Falcon and the Winter Soldier S01E01 is probably "better" and meatier than either WandaVision S01E01 or either season premiere of Mandalorian, honestly.

[CyberCubed]

I mean it's a traditional action series. Wandavision starts off as a black and white sit-com and people probably didn't know what to make of it if they didn't have an open mind.

[AquaParade]

It had the biggest Disney+ opening ever, beating anything of The Mandalorian and WandaVision.

https://www.darkhorizons.com/falcon-has-biggest-disney-launch/

I mean, I guess that's fair. Falcon and the Winter Soldier S01E01 is probably "better" and meatier than either WandaVision S01E01 or either season premiere of Mandalorian, honestly.

There are a lot of factors at play if you want to compare the two MCU shows. For one, you could say WandaVision laid a lot of groundwork for this show, by slowly getting people on-board Disney+ throughout the series. Now, when Falcon & WS premiers, there are way more people with the service, ready to watch on day one.

[CyberCubed]

These shows likely have even high viewships when you realize how many people are watching them on illegally streaming websites and don't have a D+ subscription. I always assume add another 10 million people on top of the official ratings since there's millions who just watch this uploaded anywhere.

[TurtleTitan97]

Another decent episode. Seeing Carly Lumby as Isaiah Bradley was pretty neat, big fan of guy since his work on the Justice League animated series.

And now that Eli has also made his MCU debut, I definitely get the feeling they're slowly building up towards a Young Avengers team up.

[AquaParade]

I liked the second episode but it's mixed for me. A lot of the writing is exposition that sticks out like a sore thumb. I like these characters though and the fact that we're getting to know U.S. Agent.

[Andrew NDB]

I worry that if WandaVision ended up being a high concept, high potential series that didn't really pay off much beyond setting up a movie we won't even get for a while now (Doctor Strange 2) while jerking us around a bit expectation level wise ("Are we going to see big X-Men stuff? Other universes??")... this show might be more of the same. Only instead of ending up teasing a movie, this show will just provide a bigger teaser for "Secret Invasion" on Disney+ (which WandaVision did as well) which is going to end up being the new "Defenders" culmination, watch. I bet even Loki will show up.

[Jester]

I'm a fan of "Star-spangled Man With a Plan" from First Avenger, so hearing it referenced in this show made me smile wider than it ought to have.

[Coola Yagami]

I worry that if WandaVision ended up being a high concept, high potential series that didn't really pay off much beyond setting up a movie we won't even get for a while now (Doctor Strange 2) while jerking us around a bit expectation level wise ("Are we going to see big X-Men stuff? Other universes??")... this show might be more of the same. Only instead of ending up teasing a movie, this show will just provide a bigger teaser for "Secret Invasion" on Disney+ (which WandaVision did as well) which is going to end up being the new "Defenders" culmination, watch. I bet even Loki will show up.

I'm surprised Loki is on the Love and Thunder poster since he's supposed to be dead in the main MCU.

[CyberCubed]

Way too much gay pandering for shippers in this ep for my liking, but otherwise a good ep. Also funny when the police arrived they arrested the white man (Bucky) instead of the black one. I bet there is some sort of social commentary here.

[Andrew NDB]

Way too much gay pandering for shippers in this ep for my liking, but otherwise a good ep. Also funny when the police arrived they arrested the white man (Bucky) instead of the black one. I bet there is some sort of social commentary here.

Absolutely it was. Eyeball rollingly.

As soon as the cop asks Falcon even the first time what he's doing... right away I was going, "Oh god... please tell me they're not going there right now. There is no need to go there right now. The show was doing so great until now..."

[Coola Yagami]

Way too much gay pandering for shippers in this ep for my liking, but otherwise a good ep. Also funny when the police arrived they arrested the white man (Bucky) instead of the black one. I bet there is some sort of social commentary here.

I mean to be fair, winter soldier is a wanted fugitive....

[Autbot_Benz]

I mean to be fair, winter soldier is a wanted fugitive....

no Bucky was pardened for his crimes he was arrested because he missed his court ordered therapy session

[CyberCubed]

Also why it when they always visit the black neighborhoods everyone is always so poor and living on the streets? I mean I know there's places in real life like this everywhere, but we don't need to have it drilled into our heads all the time.

[Coola Yagami]

Also why it when they always visit the black neighborhoods everyone is always so poor and living on the streets? I mean I know there's places in real life like this everywhere, but we don't need to have it drilled into our heads all the time.

I mean.... It's cause there ARE places like that everywhere.

I'm not sure if rich black neighborhoods exist, just overall rich neighborhoods that happen to have some black families live there but aren't exclusively rich black folks.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong please, I don't want to be a Cybercubed.

[Leo656]

It used to be just Newark. But then people from Newark migrated, and now "Newark" is Everywhere.

"I'm from NJ, so I can say that." But luckily, Newark is objectively terrible, so you all can say it, too! :tgrin:

[IMJ]

I'm liking it so far. I've always been a big fan of Mackey's Sam Wilson. He plays a great and likable character. And apart from a scene or two in Civil War, this is the first time I thought Bucky was likeable to be honest.

[AquaParade]

Who else likes John Walker/US Agent so far? Him and Lemar Hoskins/Battlestar seem like good dudes.

Are we supposed to despite John for picking up the shield? Or for calling Sam and Bucky “Wingmen”? Honestly, it didn’t seem that offensive to me, at least when you throw in that he clearly didn’t have a negative intention by saying it.
The reaction from Sam, Bucky, and even the audience has me thinking they all sort of being babies.
Yeah, he’s not the original Cap, I get that, but is he disrespecting the legacy? I don’t think so. Not two episodes in.

[ZariusTwo]

John himself is a hero in the comics (U.S Agent) who started off with a pretty poor rep as a temporary Cap who lacked some of Steve's qualifies and was a bit overly rough, so it's not too surprising he's not as black and white as one would expect the 'replacement' to be. He's only a douche to Sam and Bucky because they're consistently snarky to him and refusing to trust him. It's more their fault than his.

[AquaParade]

I agree with that, Zarius.

Anyone have theories on where Steve is? They're being very coy about the subject, so far. The "moon" comment from episode 1 has to make you wonder if Steve actually is up on the moon with Fury, which I believe we saw in Far From Home. I have a few questions about the family Steve "found" in Endgame - they're gone now, right? Did he have children? So many questions, now that I think about it.

I think if Steve were dead, they'd have opened hard with his funeral or memorial in the first couple episodes. It feels like groundwork that would have to be laid, to me.

[TigerClaw]

John himself is a hero in the comics (U.S Agent) who started off with a pretty poor rep as a temporary Cap who lacked some of Steve's qualifies and was a bit overly rough, so it's not too surprising he's not as black and white as one would expect the 'replacement' to be. He's only a douche to Sam and Bucky because they're consistently snarky to him and refusing to trust him. It's more their fault than his.
You have to take into account that John Walker was selected by the Government, So he's following there orders and doing what they asked him to do, While Sam and Bucky are free to do whatever they want because they don't work for the Government like John Walker does.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yeah, about Walker- l do not like. Something about him seems a little suspect, call me crazy, but I'm almost getting the Hydra Cap vibes off of him. Would not be surprised if that is the direction they go with him. I dunno, he's just- not right as Cap. Like he's missing some element of character and moral code that Steve always and abundantly had. Add to that his smugness about having been chosen, and his attempt to usurp Sam's authority on what was clearly HIS mission from the start, and.... Yeah. Something fishy with him.

[Andrew NDB]

Maybe they'll monkey with origins and Walker will become Omega Red (who we already know is in this... somewhere)?

[TigerClaw]

Yeah, about Walker- l do not like. Something about him seems a little suspect, call me crazy, but I'm almost getting the Hydra Cap vibes off of him. Would not be surprised if that is the direction they go with him. I dunno, he's just- not right as Cap. Like he's missing some element of character and moral code that Steve always and abundantly had. Add to that his smugness about having been chosen, and his attempt to usurp Sam's authority on what was clearly HIS mission from the start, and.... Yeah. Something fishy with him.
I watched Youtube videos about US Agent, He never joined Hydra, But he was involved in some shady stuff in the comics, Like getting the Super Soldier thing as well, Even his partner Battlestar got the Super Soldier thing too.

[AquaParade]

Yeah, about Walker- l do not like. Something about him seems a little suspect, call me crazy, but I'm almost getting the Hydra Cap vibes off of him. Would not be surprised if that is the direction they go with him. I dunno, he's just- not right as Cap. Like he's missing some element of character and moral code that Steve always and abundantly had. Add to that his smugness about having been chosen, and his attempt to usurp Sam's authority on what was clearly HIS mission from the start, and.... Yeah. Something fishy with him.

What did Agent Walker do that was smug?

Honestly, to me it feels like everyone just thinks they are supposed to dislike him and are sort of pre-judging him based on the premise of the show.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

He just acts very superior around Bucky and Sam, and has a habit of throwing his credentials and standing around as if that is what makes him worthy of the shield. He's not, and they all know it, but no one really seems to say it. And after this week's episode, I am certain of that. He is arrogant, impatient, impulsive, and shows poor judgement on several occasions, and basically is everything Cap should NOT be. Too ready to use violence- excessive violence at that- and too loose ethnically and morally. I REALLY dislike him even more now after what just happened! He's NOT one of the "good guys" here!

The US Agent of the comics might not have joined Hydra, but I am thinking this is their way of using the Hydra Cap storyline without sullying the legacy of the REAL Cap. And perhaps also as a way of having either Bucky or Sam eventually take over the mantle from someone who is clearly unworthy of it.

[Coola Yagami]

So does the US Agent have the Super Soldier serum? It sounds kinda odd to have a known superhero be replaced by... a guy. Like I know they're making a deal about 'who is worthy to wield the shield' but like... it's not like the shield gave Cap his superhuman strength.

It would be like the government assigning any of us the new official Spider-Man's mantle after both Pete and Miles bite it.... but you know.... as is, without any Spidery Powers, just the suit.

[Andrew NDB]

So does the US Agent have the Super Soldier serum?

He does now.

And Cap in the MCU was apparently ready to have Falcon take over for him as Captain America (IRL reason: because Bucky is white male). Falcon doesn't have any powers at all. In fact... who even made his Falcon wings? He didn't design them himself, did he? What's stopping whoever did from making a bunch of Falcon wingsuits?

[TigerClaw]

He does now.

And Cap in the MCU was apparently ready to have Falcon take over for him as Captain America (IRL reason: because Bucky is white male). Falcon doesn't have any powers at all. In fact... who even made his Falcon wings? He didn't design them himself, did he? What's stopping whoever did from making a bunch of Falcon wingsuits?
Another thing, When Sam becomes the new Captain America, Joaquín Torres took on on the mantle as the Falcon in the comics, So maybe we'll see that happen in this series.

I could see Sam giving his Wings to Torres to be the new Falcon, and Sam becoming the new Captain America without using the Wings.

[Coola Yagami]

He does now.

And Cap in the MCU was apparently ready to have Falcon take over for him as Captain America (IRL reason: because Bucky is white male). Falcon doesn't have any powers at all. In fact... who even made his Falcon wings? He didn't design them himself, did he? What's stopping whoever did from making a bunch of Falcon wingsuits?

Yeah, I know both of those things. I forgot if Bucky also has the serum or just the metal arm, but (at least movie-wise) he can go toe to toe with Cap and Black Panther, I really don't see Sam doing that, cause yeah, he is just a guy with wings he didn't even design himself.

[TigerClaw]

The new Captain America would get along well with Homelander.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyz0QCJWQAItunz?format=jpg&name=small

[AquaParade]

I'm really hoping it doesn't take an eternity to get this series in a physical media format.

I get that they need to push the subscriptions hard, but think of the children! I can imagine being 13 and my dad is just like "Nah, we don't need Disney+, we already bought you half the movies on there." I had no agency with money until I was old enough to get a job. I was well enough off and got **** on my bday and Christmas, but my parents were stingy about that kind of stuff.

Or the hardcore fans. We need to own this ****. It's materialistic and weak, but we all have our vices. Plus, we'll easily double-dip if you space out the premieres and physical releases.

Yet, so far, no sign of even The Mandolarian Season 1 on disc.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

The new Captain America would get along well with Homelander.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eyz0QCJWQAItunz?format=jpg&name=small


Ouch! But true....

[Andrew NDB]

*sigh* So episode 5. Pretty much the big "America is horrible and racist" episode I feared was coming. Complete with Bucky apologizing for white people to Falcon.

So that's it for Zemo? Lame. What a letdown. And why would the Wakandans take Zemo to the Raft? The Raft is controlled by the US government, who'd probably just give Zemo back to the German government if asked. This doesn't even make sense. Why were the Wakandans so worked up about getting Zemo to get their hands on him if they were just going to do this?

Weak penultimate episode. Nothing happens.

[neatoman]

Alright, I haven't watched the show and the following comment I'm about to make is more applicable to the comics, but isn't the Marvel Universe kind of a bizarre setting to feature a story about real-life type racism?

Not only is the mutant thing more or less meant to be an allegory for racism, but it would logically override racism. Mutants being persecuted (which yes, it won't be applicable to the MCU for a little while but will and it will probably be retconned as having gone on in the background) along with the common knowledge that aliens and sentient robots are running around (which are applicable to the MCU) would put things into perspective for the would be racists. If there are as many (if not more) mutants running around in the US as there are black people, why would anyone care if you're black when some guy who barely looks human because he has green fur and three eyes, is living next door? Especially if Mr Oscar the Triclops can, I don't know, cause dead wood to grow into full trees or something? And on a related topic, why fear people from some other country when you know Galactus can come around and eat earth one day?

I understand that Marvel has this insistance on making their fictional universe reasonably similar to the real world, I understand why the writers might feel tempted to deal with real life issues without using an allegory and I'm not saying any other fantasy setting can't deal with a real life issue like this. However, at some point you have to admit your setting just isn't similar enough to the real world to deal with it. The 9/11 issue of Spider-Man is probably the most awkward comic I have ever read in my entire life, not only does the Marvel Universe feature skyscrapers being knocked over all the time, they actually have supervillains who have done far worse things be saddened by the events. It's not awkward for Spider-Man to be distressed over the loss of lives but it is weird to see him act as if that particular scenario is something unusual to him.

Sorry if this really has nothing to do with the show, I just figured I might as well get it out.

[ZariusTwo]

God this one was boring

This reinforced my point that anything but Sam and Bucky save this show from tediousness when it comes down to the personal stuff


Nice to see you Selina Myer

In some ways, it feels very much like a finale episode, but then you remember that Karlie and the 'Smashers are still out there, and ready to show their hand, so you wait patiently for that to kick off.


The slice of life stuff is the least interesting things about Sam and Bucky, I much prefer their characters in action and scenes that drive the thrust of the narrative tension. Training with the shield was pretty good as was the talk between Sam and Bucky. I think we need the montage song from Team America playing while Sam gets in shape also.


Overall, things happened, but a large chunk of it became filler. You could easily chop this down and add it to the finale runtime if needed.

[CyberCubed]

Honestly the flag-smasher characters are extremely boring so I prefer that this ep focused on Sam and Bucky. The opening fight against not!Captain America was good too. Zemo being arrested now makes sense if they want to bring him back later on for another movie as his role is done here.

I imagine all the bad guys will die in the last episode, but I wonder how they'll do it without making Sam and Bucky look like killers when that's what they made Captain American a villain in this ep about.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm really beginning to think these Disney+ shows are only imparted with the illusion of driving the greater MCU story forward.

Example:

WandaVision: When last we saw Wanda and Vision in the movies, Vision was deactivated and Wanda was angry as all hell. When next we'd see Wanda in the movies, she'd have fully embraced her Scarlet Witch persona. If we see Vision again in the films, a single line of dialogue could cover, "The government reactivated his body" and that's all that's needed. WandaVision is just filler, an extended version of her accepting her Scarlet Witch persona/powers.

Falcon & The Winter Soldier: When last we saw Falcon and Bucky in the movies, Steve gave Falcon the shield and presumably the mantle of Captain America. When next we see Falcon and Bucky, Falcon will have come around and accepted the mantle and be Captain America. Falcon & The Winter Soldier will have just been filler, an extended version of Falcon coming around to being Captain America.

And all the stuff about, "maybe we'll see the beginning of mutants, or ____, or ____" is just rubbish. And if anything interesting was coming in the Falcon & Winter Soldier finale, they would have at least teased it in this latest one.

[Andrew NDB]

Just saw the finale.

Falcon & The Winter Soldier: When last we saw Falcon and Bucky in the movies, Steve gave Falcon the shield and presumably the mantle of Captain America. When next we see Falcon and Bucky, Falcon will have come around and accepted the mantle and be Captain America. Falcon & The Winter Soldier will have just been filler, an extended version of Falcon coming around to being Captain America.

And all the stuff about, "maybe we'll see the beginning of mutants, or ____, or ____" is just rubbish. And if anything interesting was coming in the Falcon & Winter Soldier finale, they would have at least teased it in this latest one.

Yep. I called it. The whole show turned out to just be filler. And no surprises at all and the Omega Red stuff ended up being completely fake. The Flag Smashers ended up being nothing at all. The dumb rumors about Sharon being the Power Broker were true. Lots of speeches about race stuff... Falcon tells the media that "millions of you hate to see me wearing this" because of his skin, I guess. Lame.

Extremely disappointing. These last 2 episodes really derailed... everything this show had going for it.

[AquaParade]

Yeah, I had an awful time with that episode. It felt incoherent. The action was poor and the plot felt cliche. Just bad.
Also, the costume looks bad. Keep the goggles and collar but lose the weird headgear piece that only works in the comics.

Pretty good series overall. I really dig episode 4.

[ZariusTwo]

For those miffed with

Sharon...don't forget Secret Invasion is coming up, which will likely reveal this one is a Skrull

[Andrew NDB]

I wonder if that title change at the end of the episode means, #1, there will be a season 2, and #2, that's what it'll be called?

[AquaParade]

John Walker turned out to be the most interesting thing about this show. I know it's ironic in some way.

[ZariusTwo]

John Walker turned out to be the most interesting thing about this show. I know it's ironic in some way.

Agreed. " Walker Did Nothing Wrong" and a vibing Zemo is all the hot takes anyone can walk away from with this.

[Andrew NDB]

Pretty good series overall. I really dig episode 4.

Everything was steadily getting better all the way through the end of episode 4... then they just nosedived everything, hard, with 5 and 6. I wonder if the pandemic had anything to do with this? Perhaps the many months they had to take off, during which they would have been exposed to the George Floyd riots and all of that, made them come back to the table and revise things to suitably ride that wave? Because 5 and 6, TPTB seem awfully interested in patting themselves on the back with how racially conscious they are, all of a sudden.

Also, I come out of the show not really knowing what to make of John Walker. Are we supposed to be fearful of him or dislike him? Is he going to be like a foil? Are we supposed to feel sorry for him? Welcome him as a flawed hero, or something? I'm just not clear on what they're doing here.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Walker is one of those "heroes" who skirts the line morally. As US Agent, he does a lot of shady stuff. And with Madame Hydra (spoilers, but pretty sure you all know that) behind the scenes with his new role, it's apt to be even shadier. Which is why I called him becoming "Hydra Cap". It makes sense, and would leave Steve's legacy intact. And yes, I fully endorse the Sharon as a skrull theory. That also would make sense, given that last scene of her.

[AquaParade]

Everything was steadily getting better all the way through the end of episode 4... then they just nosedived everything, hard, with 5 and 6. I wonder if the pandemic had anything to do with this? Perhaps the many months they had to take off, during which they would have been exposed to the George Floyd riots and all of that, made them come back to the table and revise things to suitably ride that wave? Because 5 and 6, TPTB seem awfully interested in patting themselves on the back with how racially conscious they are, all of a sudden.

Also, I come out of the show not really knowing what to make of John Walker. Are we supposed to be fearful of him or dislike him? Is he going to be like a foil? Are we supposed to feel sorry for him? Welcome him as a flawed hero, or something? I'm just not clear on what they're doing here.

You may have heard this by now, but apparently there were some meaningful reshoots due to the creative team dropping a "pandemic" story element from the show's storyline, for obvious reasons. Apparently they had to work around that, so perhaps it did take a toll of episode's 5 & 6.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

For those ranting on the race issue in the MCU, race has always been a thing in Marvel, probably much more than DC, even though there are mutants, aliens, and whatever else you want to name. Humans are dumb, tribal, selfish creatures, who can and WILL use any difference or opposing views to treat others "not like us" as garbage. Doesn't matter if it's a mutant or the Muslim family down the street. Marvel knows this, and has highlighted the fact more than once. Even anti-mutant activists will segregate by color or religion as a side-note. Which is why it has always been a big deal whenever a non-white or non-Christian hero has come along. Kitty Pryde was looked down at as much for being Jewish early on as she was for being a mutant! Ditto for heroes like Falcon, Warpath, Miles Morales, Thunderbird, Karma, and others. All had racial issues to deal with in addition to whatever rep they have had as heroes. Kamala Kham is another recent one, dealing with anto-Muslim sentiments as part of her hero life.

[IMJ]

For those ranting on the race issue in the MCU, race has always been a thing in Marvel

This has become the cliche response to this topic. "Race issues were always present in the books". And to an extent that's true, but it's just an answer where people mistake it for an intellectual-win. And it's an answer drawn from the environment the books were being designed in. Another time. And so the point to this now common response? That was a different era. It seems to me that more and more people just drum up "race topics" as a convenient way to issue a storyarc celebrated by a low-information viewer. What do I mean by that?

I mean for God's sake - give some consideration to the manipulation and hypocrisy -

"They will NEVER! Let a Black man! BE. Captain America!"
On a show. Where "they" are not only "letting" but watching. A Black man! BE. Captain America.

F'n nonsense and it's old.

And as a point for the virtue signalers who need to get-on-board. With. EVERY. F'n. Race card issue as if you are pure and righteous lil angels. I say this:

We are at a point where Hollywood has created a new token black person. Hollywood is routinely stating that black people are nothing more than a race battle in life, and full of angst towards the country. And you are all biting it hook, line and sinker.

Hollywood, in every "black initiative", creates a race card situation to address. No matter what. Hollywood, that YOU are celebrating over there, while most of you are white as a damn daisy, does nothing but address the "plight of black people" as if their lives or endeavors are nothing more than "woe is me race-culture of black people". THAT is what Hollywood is doing. Hollywood gets some of you fools on-board to champion black people depicted in TWO DIMENSIONS - "Black" and "Race Fighter".

And you are all buying it. Hook line and sinker.

Where the hell are the black people out there who look at this and are like "ummm, I've lived a life where I don't go on about black this and black that, and why is every single allegedly progressive thing Hollywood doing simply distill me down to nothing more than a race fighter?"

Seriously. Give that some consideration. Hollywood's very clear model is that "if we have 'black content' then it is inextricable from a 'race story". Everyone here running their mouths should think about that for a moment.

Do you know why Blade was great? They didn't need to get into that $#!(. Blade was just a cool character on his own merits who didn't need to "replace" a white man or shame the idiot-viewer who would fall for it.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Seriously? THAT'S what you got out of my post?! Wow. Way to make it into EXACTLY what I was talking about. These things have ALWAYS been part of the Marvel mythos, from Captain America punching Hitler to Kamala as Ms Marvel in the age of anti-Muslim extremists. Why do you suppose it is that these stories recur so often in the MU, if not because THEY ARE RELEVANT? News flash- it is and always HAS BEEN relevant, not just to one time or era, but EVERY FRICKIN era that Marvel has had heroes to fight hatred and evil! It hasn't gone away. Probably never will. Doesn't mean they shouldn't write about it, and especially in the climate of the past decade, I'd say it's more relevant than usual.

What YOU fail to realize, is that no one is "falling" for a simple plot, it is quite literally a sign of our times that such a plot is used at all. If you look at other big stories about racism or extremism in comics, it has almost always occurred during major real world events that are polarizing on the subject, with the X-Men being introduced during one of the most turbulent times, and the same goes for more recent Marvel comics. Again, Kamala and Miles have been two of the biggest recent additions, for that very reason!

To think it's all just hype and manipulation is so very- DISINGENUOUS of you (since I KNOW how much you LOVE to throw that word around) and also very cynical and blind to the reality of the Marvel world so closely paralleling our own. But I never expected you to see that- it's a point that just seems to continuously elude you. I mean, didn't you ever wonder WHY that stuff keeps popping up when Galactus could decide at any time to chow down on Earth? It's because even in the M(C)U, people are often so full of hate and cruelty to one another that they don't even need the excuse of mutants having crazy terrifying powers. They will blow each other up over oil or religion just like we do in the real world. So yeah, racism IS a thing there, and always HAS been, even when not actively being written about. They had their Civil Rights movement too, after all....

[IMJ]

What YOU fail to realize, is that no one is "falling" for a simple plot, it is quite literally a sign of our times that such a plot is used at all.

This encapsulates my point entirely. 100%.
I'm not saying that "racism doesn't exist". If you like Anthony Mackie, he made a move on Netflix recently about taking a drug and traveling through time. You should watch it. It has some dull moments, but ultimately it's worth watching.
I am never disingenuous. Ever. Probably one of the few absolutes that I would build a pyre on for personal behavior.

But I never expected you to see that- it's a point that just seems to continuously elude you.

I know very precisely what is going on in the world and on multiple sides of the fence. I don't know your background across life, but I would argue that it's probably less experiential and less varied than mine, in real life. You are making a black and white argument - "THERE IS RACISM And and and! Marvel is FIGHTING IT and HOW DARE YOU paint a realisti... err ignorant perspective!"

What I don't expect YOU to ever understand is that your world view is probably cramped by tunnel vision and armchair "fight the good fight outrage" and by that comparison any common sense approach or narrative that actually illustrates that "racism" is NOT as widespread as personal calculus would have you believe is of course, by your calculus, ignorant, evil or whatever other emotional state helped you paint your "I never expect you to see that" nonsense.

I'm sorry you're wrong. And you're emotional about it. And you've been trained that "racism is bad and so I MUST NEVER say anything that implies that maybe racism has been weaponized and isn't as prolific as I am led to believe because ITS BAD and we CANT entertain the truth about it in it's current state!" Take a red pill, honey. Or blue or whatever it was. It's also very challenging because any other perspective then, unfortunately calls you ignorant as hell. So combine that with your own social justice broadcast and of course this is going to be exceptionally personally challenging to you.

It's simple logic that was right there in front of you on the T.V. for God's sake. "They will NEVER. Let a Black Man. BE Captain America!" and you watch it and go "awww, ohhhh" and your brain computes "OUTRAGE! We have to FIGHT THIS!". ON THE SAME SHOW where a Black man IS Captain America, not only in the fiction but then into the real world observer as well. This is a CLASSIC confirmation bias error and a manipulation so that people like YOU. SAY. Disney is "fighting the good fight!".

Racism. Is NOT. As prolific as the media or the manipulators has some of you outrage-zombies believing it is. The show that informed you there would never be a black Captain America HAS a black Captain America IN IT! From a comic printed years AGO WITH a black Captain America in IT!

And so, again, I don't expect you to see any of this. I expect you to chew this in your head a bit, internally say "$#!(" or have your f'n pride get in the way and then either to reply with your mouthy BS or to just ignore it. That's what I expect from you.

[ZariusTwo]

There is more cut footage, including scenes of Bucky flirting with Sam's sister


https://www.tvguide.com/news/bucky-and-sarah-footage-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier/?UniqueID=DAC6F506-A877-11EB-8F22-4F290EDC252D&ServiceType=twitter&ftag=COS-05-10aaa3b&PostType=image&TheTime=2021-04-28T23%3A17%3A08

[CyberCubed]

I wonder why they cut that. Can't have a white man flirting with a black woman?

[Coola Yagami]

I wonder why they cut that. Can't have a white man flirting with a black woman?

Not in 2021 unless it's clearly shown the black woman is repulsed by it.

Can't have the white man do anything remotely positive.

In fact it's getting to the point where I'm surprised they didn't have Nemo re-brainwash Bucky and tell him to 'embrace his inner whiteness' and have good guy black guy Falcon take down evil whiteboy Bucky to save the day.

[ZariusTwo]

Can't have a white man flirting with a black woman?

Most of The Flash's representation in expanded medium has Barry dating a black Iris

[Sumac]

in the age of anti-Muslim extremists.
Where is that age?
As far as I know, it is Muslim extremists attacking people - look at what had happened last year in France.

Normal people are pushing back against them and their attempts to make people obey their fantasy book. But, of course, for you - it is "racism", because, disliking to be forced worship fake gods of psychopaths is xenophobia. Even if religion is not a race.

And so, again, I don't expect you to see any of this. I expect you to chew this in your head a bit, internally say "$#!(" or have your f'n pride get in the way and then either to reply with your mouthy BS or to just ignore it. That's what I expect from you.
It is useless, she believes in "spirits inhabiting universe" and that male can become female.

Also, she is kind of a "feminist" who believes that even questioning her ******** is a harassment. Typical for modern day "feminist" - she can say whatever she wants and avoid all consequences because she is an "oppressed" class. :lol:

Even the whole logic of "saying and doing whatever you want and never facing any consequences" implies privilege in the first place. Though, those people don't see it as such, but as "rightful revenge", even though it is "revenge" aimed at everyone. They are basically kids, parasites and losers coping with themselves being failures.

In general, collective responsibility for sins of your ancestors, based on your skin color and sex is ridiculous and hateful as it is inherently sexist and racist. But, of course, wokeys have a carte-blanche for using it, since they are "oppressed".

Something tells me this logic is similar to that of Nazis, when they painted themselves as victims of Jews to start a monstrous genocide machine.

In general, as soon as you see someone mentioning "white people bad" or "systematic racism" or "critical race theory", just replace all instances of "white people" with "Jews" and see how it works out. If it sounds like a Nazi manifesto, then you know who are you dealing with and how you should treat them.

Sorry for the tangent.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Where is that age?
As far as I know, it is Muslim extremists attacking people - look at what had happened last year in France.

Normal people are pushing back against them and their attempts to make people obey their fantasy book. But, of course, for you - it is "racism", because, disliking to be forced worship fake gods of psychopaths is xenophobia. Even if religion is not a race.

It is useless, she believes in "spirits inhabiting universe" and that male can become female.

Also, she is kind of a "feminist" who believes that even questioning her ******** is a harassment. Typical for modern day "feminist" - she can say whatever she wants and avoid all consequences because she is an "oppressed" class. :lol:

Even the whole logic of "saying and doing whatever you want and never facing any consequences" implies privilege in the first place. Though, those people don't see it as such, but as "rightful revenge", even though it is "revenge" aimed at everyone. They are basically kids, parasites and losers coping with themselves being failures.

In general, collective responsibility for sins of your ancestors, based on your skin color and sex is ridiculous and hateful as it is inherently sexist and racist. But, of course, wokeys have a carte-blanche for using it, since they are "oppressed".

Something tells me this logic is similar to that of Nazis, when they painted themselves as victims of Jews to start a monstrous genocide machine.

In general, as soon as you see someone mentioning "white people bad" or "systematic racism" or "critical race theory", just replace all instances of "white people" with "Jews" and see how it works out. If it sounds like a Nazi manifesto, then you know who are you dealing with and how you should treat them.

Sorry for the tangent.


What age? Ever hear of QAnon? White Supremacists? Or anti-muslim backlash post-9-11? No, I don't suppose you have, you live in a country where everything is heavily censored, and only "good, safe" propagandist media is allowed.

Hey, here's a fun fact for you- being Wiccan does NOT mean I believe in fairy tales or whatever stupid BS crap you think it does. I'm a witch because I RESPECT LIFE AND NATURE, and see humans as connected to it, in every way. My spiritual beliefs are really more of "let's protect and RESPECT our planet and it's other inhabitants, instead of raping it and exploiting everything around us ". Is there something WRONG with that? Or are you just pissed because you can't comprehend having compassion and love for anything that doesn't meet YOUR standards for what qualifies as "human"? (Because you've shown time and again you don't think trans or non-binary people aren't.)

Unlike some, I want ALL humanity to have rights to the things MOST of us take for granted. And yes, that's EXACTLY what a feminist is.

[Sumac]

What age? Ever hear of QAnon? White Supremacists? Or anti-muslim backlash post-9-11? No, I don't suppose you have, you live in a country where everything is heavily censored, and only "good, safe" propagandist media is allowed.
You are uneducated buffoon.

Yes, a lot of media in my country was censored, especially in the last years, but it was not like that until few years ago, and even than most of the censorship is related to the Russian media. And I don't use those to get my information about anything, be it Russia or West or whatever.

In fact, probably more than you do, since, I am not taking my information from one single source or echo chambers, but multiple sources and compare them, like normal people should do, when they consume news. Also, I don't have any kind of bias in relation to the Western world.

Qanon - are nothing, but small bunch of crazies. Most Rights laugh at those idiots.

People angry at Muslims post 9/11? I am sure it has nothing to do with 6000 people who have died that day and continuous story of terrorism propagated by religion of "love and peace".

White Supremacists? Sorry, but no matter how you wish, US is not the place where evil Nazi go around the streets and kill people of "wrong" skin color.

Your arguments has nothing to do with reality.
You are a fear-monger and try to wind up people using false data to either boost your EGO or because you are just a delusional person.

Hey, here's a fun fact for you- being Wiccan does NOT mean I believe in fairy tales or whatever stupid BS crap you think it does. I'm a witch because I RESPECT LIFE AND NATURE, and see humans as connected to it, in every way. My spiritual beliefs are really more of "let's protect and RESPECT our planet and it's other inhabitants, instead of raping it and exploiting everything around us ". Is there something WRONG with that? Or are you just pissed because you can't comprehend having compassion and love for anything that doesn't meet YOUR standards for what qualifies as "human"? (Because you've shown time and again you don't think trans or non-binary people aren't.)
Leave it to fan of fairy tails and unicorns to believe that male rapey crazies who think they are women need validation and protection...

Also, just to be clear, I think trans and non-binary losers are human. Batshit insane, dangerous, but human. I never denied that they are human. I deny their delusions.

And if you think that delusions equal humanity, by this token you must be angry that some people dislike serial killers or other pyromaniacs.

All this "You don't like trans and think they are crazy? You deny their humanity!" rhetoric is just a disingenuous way to paint people rising valid questions about their dangerous ideology as bigots and dismiss all criticism. In another words, tactic, which people like you claim used by "evil Rights" to make people hate each other.

You are blatant example of hypocrisy.

Unlike some, I want ALL humanity to have rights to the things MOST of us take for granted. And yes, that's EXACTLY what a feminist is.
You are supporting crazy male losers who pretend to be women and who are hurting women and kids in the process of their play-pretend madness, but when people rise against it they call it "sexism" and "twanzphobia" and point out false statistics and "research".

You are supporting lazy thugs, who abuse pity to oppress others out of greed and laziness, but when people call out their ********, they call it "racism".

You are supporting extremists who want to subjugate people who are not like them and when people rise against it they call it "intolerance".

Wake up, honey: you are not a solution - you are the problem.
You are disrupting lives of people for the sake of helping extremists and parasites.

Ain't nothing progressive about that, unless you see destruction of Western world and its replacement by states not so dissimilar to wonderful and friendly places like Somalia and China, as a progress.

In that case, I'd recommend not to waste your time in out "horrible oppressive" world and buy a ticket to a North Korea or Somalia proper. Not sure, if you last there for a long time, but, if that's your idea of a Paradise...maybe there you will be finally happy.

I don't care really. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

What age? Ever hear of QAnon? White Supremacists?

I hear about that a lot on the news. A whole bunch. But in my 40 years I've never met or know anyone that's met anyone in either camp.

[IMJ]

You are uneducated buffoon.

Absolutely. Armchair loudmouth flinging words that are strung together from the clichés of the times and nothing more.

And meanwhile that buffoon is flinging words about extreme right conspiracy groups as if some fool entertain his life with conspiracy is problematic.
You know... as if QAnon was the group of people out in the streets committing violence, trespassing, arson, etc. Oh wait... there's ONE stretch example about a protest at the capital amidst 50 examples of the left burning cities down.

And that buffoon will continue to post as if making solid points - reminds me of that scene in Team America where the Alec Baldwin puppet couldn't say anything of merit so it just kept stringing words together like "Corporations, conglomerates, evil, contracts...."

Absolute armchair buffoon. Absolute perfect word choice, insulting or otherwise.

I hear about that a lot on the news. A whole bunch. But in my 40 years I've never met or know anyone that's met anyone in either camp.

Exactly. Even if it's unverifiable at least an attempt to cite life experience. Duckie just says "words".

You know Duckie? See I post here with opinions like the rest of us do, but I illustrate concepts, drive home points backed by psychological phenomena and examples like "confirmation bias", talk about personal experiences from relevant and hands on experiences as support and I address other's points head on making the conversation relevant. What do you or any of the brain trust like you offer? What experience do you bring to the table? What have you seen? Do you even know a black person in real life? Or conversely do you have a relationship with a white person in real life, or anybody for that matter? Have you ever been out serving the public in any capacity that has nothing to do with law enforcement? I mean... whadda got for all of your mouth? Whaddya got?

I'll tell you what it appears that you've got. NOTHING other than what appears to be CNN-only-informed, school yard or office bully anger at being challenged or put on blast for stupidity.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

You are uneducated buffoon.

Yes, a lot of media in my country was censored, especially in the last years, but it was not like that until few years ago, and even than most of the censorship is related to the Russian media. And I don't use those to get my information about anything, be it Russia or West or whatever.

In fact, probably more than you do, since, I am not taking my information from one single source or echo chambers, but multiple sources and compare them, like normal people should do, when they consume news. Also, I don't have any kind of bias in relation to the Western world.

Qanon - are nothing, but small bunch of crazies. Most Rights laugh at those idiots.

People angry at Muslims post 9/11? I am sure it has nothing to do with 6000 people who have died that day and continuous story of terrorism propagated by religion of "love and peace".

White Supremacists? Sorry, but no matter how you wish, US is not the place where evil Nazi go around the streets and kill people of "wrong" skin color.

Your arguments has nothing to do with reality.
You are a fear-monger and try to wind up people using false data to either boost your EGO or because you are just a delusional person.


Leave it to fan of fairy tails and unicorns to believe that male rapey crazies who think they are women need validation and protection...

Also, just to be clear, I think trans and non-binary losers are human. Batshit insane, dangerous, but human. I never denied that they are human. I deny their delusions.

And if you think that delusions equal humanity, by this token you must be angry that some people dislike serial killers or other pyromaniacs.

All this "You don't like trans and think they are crazy? You deny their humanity!" rhetoric is just a disingenuous way to paint people rising valid questions about their dangerous ideology as bigots and dismiss all criticism. In another words, tactic, which people like you claim used by "evil Rights" to make people hate each other.

You are blatant example of hypocrisy.


You are supporting crazy male losers who pretend to be women and who are hurting women and kids in the process of their play-pretend madness, but when people rise against it they call it "sexism" and "twanzphobia" and point out false statistics and "research".

You are supporting lazy thugs, who abuse pity to oppress others out of greed and laziness, but when people call out their ********, they call it "racism".

You are supporting extremists who want to subjugate people who are not like them and when people rise against it they call it "intolerance".

Wake up, honey: you are not a solution - you are the problem.
You are disrupting lives of people for the sake of helping extremists and parasites.

Ain't nothing progressive about that, unless you see destruction of Western world and its replacement by states not so dissimilar to wonderful and friendly places like Somalia and China, as a progress.

In that case, I'd recommend not to waste your time in out "horrible oppressive" world and buy a ticket to a North Korea or Somalia proper. Not sure, if you last there for a long time, but, if that's your idea of a Paradise...maybe there you will be finally happy.

I don't care really. :lol:


You know, I always KNEW you were a troll, but this confirms it. Everything you have just said is complete and utter BS. Nowhere have I ever espoused supporting fascist regimes or anything that is racist, phobic, or whatever f**king shite you and the anti sjw over there seem to be projecting onto me. Pots and kettles, and all that. Reporting both of you.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Absolutely. Armchair loudmouth flinging words that are strung together from the clichés of the times and nothing more.

And meanwhile that buffoon is flinging words about extreme right conspiracy groups as if some fool entertain his life with conspiracy is problematic.
You know... as if QAnon was the group of people out in the streets committing violence, trespassing, arson, etc. Oh wait... there's ONE stretch example about a protest at the capital amidst 50 examples of the left burning cities down.

And that buffoon will continue to post as if making solid points - reminds me of that scene in Team America where the Alec Baldwin puppet couldn't say anything of merit so it just kept stringing words together like "Corporations, conglomerates, evil, contracts...."

Absolute armchair buffoon. Absolute perfect word choice, insulting or otherwise.



Exactly. Even if it's unverifiable at least an attempt to cite life experience. Duckie just says "words".

You know Duckie? See I post here with opinions like the rest of us do, but I illustrate concepts, drive home points backed by psychological phenomena and examples like "confirmation bias", talk about personal experiences from relevant and hands on experiences as support and I address other's points head on making the conversation relevant. What do you or any of the brain trust like you offer? What experience do you bring to the table? What have you seen? Do you even know a black person in real life? Or conversely do you have a relationship with a white person in real life, or anybody for that matter? Have you ever been out serving the public in any capacity that has nothing to do with law enforcement? I mean... whadda got for all of your mouth? Whaddya got?

I'll tell you what it appears that you've got. NOTHING other than what appears to be CNN-only-informed, school yard or office bully anger at being challenged or put on blast for stupidity.


Wow. You know NOTHING about me, or who I am. I've said it before, and I'll say it again- I DON'T EVEN WATCH CNN. Never have. I get my news independently, from multiple sources, none of which involve CNN, MSNBC, or Fox. I rarely ever even watch news on tv, as it is, unless it's our local station. So I really don't know where you get that BS idea from. Other than the fact that I DO consider myself a "liberal" in the sense that I do not agree with the status quo of our government or society.

To answer your questions- YES, I have both known and worked with, and even been friends with people of ALL races, colors, or what have you. Most of my coworkers are Latino. I don't even speak more than a few words of Spanish, but I get along with all of them, and consider one or two friends. I grew up with a Latino best friend until we ended up in different schools, (lost touch with her) but I was there to help her when she nearly cut her thumb off. My husband is a diabetic with end stage renal failure, and just lost his left leg below the knew from it, so I also know what it's like to live with someone who is disabled.

Oh, and yes, I serve the public- as an essential worker in fast food. Deal with people of all kinds EVERY DAY. Get along with and am happy to serve most of them. The only ones that I ever have a problem with are the "Karens" and "Kevins" of the world. I am just as white as most of them, but here's the difference- I RESPECT and treat others with kindness, whereas those asshats don't. I often complain about my job in the gear-grinder thread, but 9 times out of 10, it is about over-entitled, privileged jerks of MY OWN SKIN COLOR. So there's your "personal experience", pal. I LIVE this crap.

And the same thing goes for religion. I grew up in a southern Christian family, with all that goes along with that. But I rejected that system. I rejected the bigotry and hate that so often comes with it. So I chose a pagan path, and have never looked back. Except that ever since I came out of the "broom closet", as it were, I have seen everything from hellfire "you're going to Hell" rhetoric, to outright ridicule by idiots who have NO IDEA what it is I ACTUALLY believe in! So if you think for ONE second that I don't understand what it means to be treated like an outsider or to be ostracized based on labels, you're DEAD wrong. My own mother told me she was disappointed when she learned I am a Wiccan, and that she thought "she raised me better than that". Because of my FAITH. It hurt- a lot. And so I know what it's like for gays or trans people to experience that. Maybe not to the same extent they do, but yes, I can actually relate to being rejected by loved ones based on idiotic perceptions of different beliefs, gender roles, or whatever else people want to judge others on. I've lived that, too. I've even been accused of devil worshipping, sacrificing animals, and worse. Because stupid people believe bs about pagans instead of, y'know, LEARNING about it.

I don't just "say words", pal. EVERYTHING I say or do is based on life experiences and learning. That's what I DO. As a writer, I am ALWAYS learning about the world around me, always observing and studying it. People, in particular. I can tell you the specific order of many of my customers, because I know them, and sometimes even have it pulled up even before they finish answering my greeting! Or sometimes even as soon as I see their car pull up. Because I'm observant and remember their vehicles- out of hundreds I see each day. Does that sound like someone who just listens to whatever rhetoric is being batted around in the media? Or do I need to mention that science and history are my two main interests, so I like to keep up with them as a matter of helping my writing? I'm not the "buffoon" you take me for. I have my own ideas and opinions and everything. Based on facts and experience. So it looks like all your little assumptions about me are just- wrong. And hypocritical.

[Andrew NDB]

"I'm telling!"

gtfoh

[Sumac]

You know, I always KNEW you were a troll, but this confirms it. Everything you have just said is complete and utter BS. Nowhere have I ever espoused supporting fascist regimes or anything that is racist, phobic, or whatever f**king shite you and the anti sjw over there seem to be projecting onto me. Pots and kettles, and all that. Reporting both of you.
Its not a Reddit and not your personal hugbox.

If you first instinct when challenged, is to call for "powers that be" to punish your opponents, even if they didn't insult you - it is only confirms that you are weak, unintelligent and incapable of defending your opinion in real world, outside of your hugbox.
In another words: you are a loser for life doomed to fail.

Also, with your actions you just confirm everything which people here said about NPCs like you. So, thank you for being a walking prove of our words. So keep in mind - hate and ridicule you get is your own doing.

Wow. You know NOTHING about me, or who I am...
Glorious meltdown.
Also, as I suspected: typical loser working in a fastfood restaurant.
But complains how life in unfair. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

So um.... hey..... that Falcon and Winter Soldier guy..... um.... they're Marvel characters right? And hey, Zemo got to wear his mask.

[AquaParade]

The zemo mask scene is more hilarious, looking back and realizing he never wore it again. It was so forced.

That said, I love the mask and I wanted to see it. I just think any excuse would have likely been better.

[Andrew NDB]

Like everything else in the show, Zemo's adventure and masking was just to continue the illusion that anything of importance was going on.

[IMJ]

The zemo mask scene is more hilarious, looking back and realizing he never wore it again. It was so forced.

That said, I love the mask and I wanted to see it. I just think any excuse would have likely been better.

I thought it was great - like pure Zemo in action. But like you are saying, why suddenly the mask? If they go the route of Thunderbolts, I hope he wears it in like 90% of the movie....

I'm just going to accept it for the time being as one of those cool nods to the books.

Like everything else in the show, Zemo's adventure and masking was just to continue the illusion that anything of importance was going on.

I sincerely hope that somewhere a small black kid loved watching Falcap doing his thing, the same way that I loved Superman doing his thing in the 80's. I sincerely hope that. But see, I could still have hoped that without the BS "race struggle" on the show - that's the moment that when played, I'm done. You've lost me, you're on your own now whereas maybe you weren't before.

But you know.... I know that "Superman" feeling as a young kid. If we are to have entertainment like that, then every kid deserves that. But at the same time, you should be able to have that feeling without your character having to be the same color as you. Something to consider.

[Andrew NDB]

But see, I could still have hoped that without the BS "race struggle" on the show - that's the moment that when played, I'm done. You've lost me, you're on your own now whereas maybe you weren't before.

And Falcon telling us "terrorist" is just a made up word, that there's no such thing as one? So now the people who executed 9/11... they weren't terrorists, they were just misunderstood heroes?

[Leo656]

Yeah, my absolute least-favorite Liberal trope is "There's no such thing as 'Bad People', just victims of society who decided to lash out."

Like, what? Bullsh*t! I know lots and lots of bad people, who are bad for no reason other than the fact that they wanna be. Psychosis and Sociopathy exist. They're real things! But not if you swing Left, then nothing is ever anybody's fault, they were just "pushed too far".

That's dangerous sh*t to be putting out there and insisting is in any way indicative of Reality.

[IMJ]

But not if you swing Left, then nothing is ever anybody's fault, they were just "pushed too far".

Again, it is a disingenuous alignment and and lifestyle choice. And that disingenuousness becomes evident when you measure the proposed thesis of the lifestyle against the behavior that follows the lifestyle. Being a liberal nowadays is nothing more than carrying some personal life-anger that you couldn't overcome, and then using that anger to become a horrible person all wrapped in the façade of crusading for social justice.

For example, it's like Duckie talking all sorts of $#!( across any given thread, gaslighting with responses that aren't actually connected to what other people are saying.

Here are three allusions to the behavior:

1) Leftists like Duckie are nothing more than that stunted jealous f*(k that you've never met before but sees your car at a car show and makes a bee line for you to tell you that his Uncle had a better car at some point in his life.
2) Leftists like Duckie are nothing more than that self-loathing awkward girl in high school that you decide to say "hi" to in the hallway one day and instead of saying "hi" back she seizes the big opportunity to reject you anyway she can even though you only said "hi".
3) Leftists like Duckie are that enemy coworker who can't stand your success and responds, uninvited, to stunning results of your "Work Project XYZ" by examining the details incredulously, mouth agape, only managing to blurt out language pointing out any detail that might negate your success by any metric possible.

I mean... that's three airtight allusions to the behavior where I could go back and support correlation from interactions from this very forum. We can all relate to those examples as long as anyone has the balls enough to admit experiencing those kinds of people across society. These people are the complete crap of the Earth for their mentality, and people like Duckie would call that observation "racist" even though we are talking about mentality and observations of behavior.

It is all disingenuous. They are liars. Don't believe them. They actually hate - like racists. Even some more of the fringe fools here would read this, take it to heart and be angry for the realization that we see right through them. Those are the people who give you those replies like "I'll ignore you, like I always do, you POS". Yet all you did was define the behavior of a $#!(bag and oddly enough they got triggered.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Again, it is a disingenuous alignment and and lifestyle choice. And that disingenuousness becomes evident when you measure the proposed thesis of the lifestyle against the behavior that follows the lifestyle. Being a liberal nowadays is nothing more than carrying some personal life-anger that you couldn't overcome, and then using that anger to become a horrible person all wrapped in the façade of crusading for social justice.

For example, it's like Duckie talking all sorts of $#!( across any given thread, gaslighting with responses that aren't actually connected to what other people are saying.

Here are three allusions to the behavior:

1) Leftists like Duckie are nothing more than that stunted jealous f*(k that you've never met before but sees your car at a car show and makes a bee line for you to tell you that his Uncle had a better car at some point in his life.
2) Leftists like Duckie are nothing more than that self-loathing awkward girl in high school that you decide to say "hi" to in the hallway one day and instead of saying "hi" back she seizes the big opportunity to reject you anyway she can even though you only said "hi".
3) Leftists like Duckie are that enemy coworker who can't stand your success and responds, uninvited, to stunning results of your "Work Project XYZ" by examining the details incredulously, mouth agape, only managing to blurt out language pointing out any detail that might negate your success by any metric possible.

I mean... that's three airtight allusions to the behavior where I could go back and support correlation from interactions from this very forum. We can all relate to those examples as long as anyone has the balls enough to admit experiencing those kinds of people across society. These people are the complete crap of the Earth for their mentality, and people like Duckie would call that observation "racist" even though we are talking about mentality and observations of behavior.

It is all disingenuous. They are liars. Don't believe them. They actually hate - like racists. Even some more of the fringe fools here would read this, take it to heart and be angry for the realization that we see right through them. Those are the people who give you those replies like "I'll ignore you, like I always do, you POS". Yet all you did was define the behavior of a $#!(bag and oddly enough they got triggered.


All of this- BS BS BS BS. None of that is me. Not a materialistic person, never cared what anyone else has, not jealous of anyone for anything. I live my life and don't give a crap if I'm rich or any of whatever BS you seem to ascribe, since none of that matters. Heck, if you ever met me in rl, I'm one of the friendliest and most outgoing people you'd ever meet. Get along with most people, outside of those who choose to be a**holes for no reason. I believe in being a kind, honest, decent person over stupid greed, envy, or pride, or liars. I believe Leo and I both feel the same way about liars and thieves. Love the gaslighting and projecting you've got going on, though. Keep it up. You MIGHT get lucky and actually be right about something! Eventually....

[Sumac]

All of this- BS BS BS BS. None of that is me. Not a materialistic person, never cared what anyone else has, not jealous of anyone for anything. I live my life and don't give a crap if I'm rich or any of whatever BS you seem to ascribe, since none of that matters. Heck, if you ever met me in rl, I'm one of the friendliest and most outgoing people you'd ever meet. Get along with most people, outside of those who choose to be a**holes for no reason. I believe in being a kind, honest, decent person over stupid greed, envy, or pride, or liars. I believe Leo and I both feel the same way about liars and thieves. Love the gaslighting and projecting you've got going on, though. Keep it up. You MIGHT get lucky and actually be right about something! Eventually....
Me thinks lady doth protest too much.
Which makes me think, he got your right in the sweet spot.

Also, your post looks like you are high.

[IMJ]

1.
me for being a DECENT HUMAN BEING and having empathy and compassion for others
racist, phobic crap people like you

2.
Duckie talking all sorts of $#!( with responses that aren't actually connected to what other people are saying.
don't give a crap if I'm rich or any of whatever BS you seem to ascribe, since none of that matters.

Only two examples. I could go on. Significantly so. But these comparisons will suffice -anything further and I’m afraid it will lead to your suicide or something. You are fully revealed as a low-self-esteem fool of the highest order - there's no DNA-evidence left that's needed in the body of the discussion about you.

You MIGHT get lucky and actually be right about something! Eventually....

-Looks again at this very post regarding "being right about something"- LMAO -shakes head-
The truth is that in arguing with you in some ways I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Like I said, fully revealed. LMAO no more words necessary.

[Sumac]

When people shout at others that they are better than everyone and they don't care about money - it usually means, that they are worse than others and quite poor.

[AquaParade]

When people shout at others that they are better than everyone and they don't care about money - it usually means, that they are worse than others and quite poor.

Well, to be fair, IMJ literally just accused her of being those things. So, it makes sense for her to defend herself and say she isn't those things.

Quite honestly, I don't even know what you all were discussing before it became a batch of insults, but I couldn't help but notice that.
Anyway.

[Leo656]

This place needs a f*cking Two-Joint Minimum requirement before posting.

[Coola Yagami]

This place needs a f*cking Two-Joint Minimum requirement before posting.

Before AND after.

[AquaParade]

Weed can only do so much once a tolerance has built. These damn turtle cartoons & the like tick me off.

[IMJ]

When people shout at others that they are better than everyone and they don't care about money - it usually means, that they are worse than others and quite poor.

Well, to be fair, IMJ literally just accused her of being those things. So, it makes sense for her to defend herself and say she isn't those things.

What did I accuse her of Aqua? Please point it out specifically and connect my alleged accusation to her rant about money.

[AquaParade]

What did I accuse her of Aqua? Please point it out specifically and connect my alleged accusation to her rant about money.

At the very top of the page, in the very post Duckie is responding to.

It begins with "leftists like duckie.. " and goes on to describe her and "leftists".

Duckie quoted you and argued against herself being those things.

What am I missing here?

[IMJ]

At the very top of the page, in the very post Duckie is responding to.

It begins with "leftists like duckie.. " and goes on to describe her and "leftists".

Duckie quoted you and argued against herself being those things.

What am I missing here?

Reading comprehension bro.
1. We were discussing her attitude.
2. In that discussion I pointed out that Duckie replies with negative and defensive content that has nothing to do with the conversation.
3. She then word-vomited a bunch of nonsense, including how she was a great person and how it didn't matter if she was poor.
4. Nobody ever, not once, said anything to her about money, about having it, about not having it. Ever.
5. I then quoted what I said about her replies that had nothing to do with the conversation and I quoted her reply that had nothing to do with the conversation.

Basically so that even an idiot would understand it. And then you came along saying that I accused her of not having any money.

I mean... what did you do you damn goofass? You saw the words she said and that I quoted it and then just assumed "see he must've said something to her about money?"

:lol: Good God, man.

[Leo656]

Before AND after.

I like the way you think, pal! :lol:

[AquaParade]

Reading comprehension bro.
1. We were discussing her attitude.
2. In that discussion I pointed out that Duckie replies with negative and defensive content that has nothing to do with the conversation.
3. She then word-vomited a bunch of nonsense, including how she was a great person and how it didn't matter if she was poor.
4. Nobody ever, not once, said anything to her about money, about having it, about not having it. Ever.
5. I then quoted what I said about her replies that had nothing to do with the conversation and I quoted her reply that had nothing to do with the conversation.

Basically so that even an idiot would understand it. And then you came along saying that I accused her of not having any money.

I mean... what did you do you damn goofass? You saw the words she said and that I quoted it and then just assumed "see he must've said something to her about money?"

:lol: Good God, man.

No...it's all there at the top of the page. She's replying to your post and saying "no,no, no, that's not me" to the things you described her as.

For instance, you mentioned her being the type that would be jealous over a car. And she said "I'm not materialistic", which was in response to that.
Just one of the examples.


It's clear as day. Sorry.

If you want to take up that discussion, it's with Duckie.
I was just pointing out to Sumac, that her post was a response to yours, in which she was defending herself against your accusations of what she and leftists are like.

Now, maybe you feel she misinterpreted your accusations? I don't know. Don't really care.
Again, I was trying to explain where her statement of "I'm not materialistic, etc" were coming from, which were a response to your post.

[Leo656]

Weed can only do so much once a tolerance has built. These damn turtle cartoons & the like tick me off.

What I find works best in these situations is to Smoke F*ckin' More. :lol:

I find that liberal bong-rippage with a side regiment of CBD Gummy Bears tends to balance most people out quite nicely. I promise that the morale of this place would improve immediately if such steps towards self-improvement were taken.

[AquaParade]

What I find works best in these situations is to Smoke F*ckin' More. :lol:

I find that liberal bong-rippage with a side regiment of CBD Gummy Bears tends to balance most people out quite nicely. I promise that the morale of this place would improve immediately if such steps towards self-improvement were taken.

I do have to agree. There really is nothing like the first smoke of the day though. It's all a less pathetic version of "chasing the dragon" after that.

Edibles have never worked for me. It's a damn crying shame. I think my metabolism doesn't play well with them.

But, it's true. I've def had moments where I say something, whether it's here or in person, and then go smoke, and realize I was making a bigger deal out of it then needed.

[Leo656]

I think I'm more liable to noticing the effects of the edibles on account of my crippling back and neck pain, which the Gummy Bears assuage quite nicely.

In fact, I've recently taken to applying a CBD roll-on once in a while when I can't stand up straight, and honest to God it works as good if not better than Icy-Hot. Awesome sh*t.

The funniest thing ever was when I had to take a two-week "mental health vacation" at a rehab center a few years ago, and on Day 2 they put me in a Dual Diagnostics group meeting with a bunch of addicts and alcoholics. And everyone was going around the room talking about why they were in there, and when the lady asked me I was like, "I honestly have no idea." She's like "Seriously?" and I'm like "No idea." So she looked over her notes and was like, "You're in this group because when they did your blood work, your THC levels were... extraordinarily high." :lol: Everyone kinda had a laugh, and then a few of the people who were in there for "real" sh*t were like "That's f*cking nonsense, though; I got a drinking problem, this dude's got a coke problem... and you got this dude in here for weed? C'mon, man!" It was like a much tamer version of that one scene in "Half-Baked", but with no Bob Saget.

Then a bunch of 'em were like "Sh*t, soon as I get outta here I'm gettin' my medical card, so I can stop takin' these damn pills you all got me on!" :lol: The therapist lady didn't much care for that, but seriously. Why kill your liver if you don't have to?

Fun times.

[IMJ]

No...it's all there at the top of the page. She's replying to your post and saying "no,no, no, that's not me" to the things you described her as.

For instance, you mentioned her being the type that would be jealous over a car. And she said "I'm not materialistic", which was in response to that.
Just one of the examples.


It's clear as day. Sorry.

If you want to take up that discussion, it's with Duckie.
I was just pointing out to Sumac, that her post was a response to yours, in which she was defending herself against your accusations of what she and leftists are like.

Now, maybe you feel she misinterpreted your accusations? I don't know. Don't really care.
Again, I was trying to explain where her statement of "I'm not materialistic, etc" were coming from, which were a response to your post.

LOL the car thing had nothing to do with materialism. It was a spread of three examples of which the common thread was an angry person who seeks out rationale by which to do rotten, passive aggressive things or to enable their own judgements on others.

:lol:

That's why all three examples were disparate concepts, man.

The common thread wasn't the disparate concepts, lmao that's why they are disparate. The common thread was an angry $#!9bag person responding to someone in intentionally awful ways in any situation simply because they felt they had an axe to grind over their personal psychology.

This is hysterical. I love you, man. I can see now how I should've pointed that out in my allusions to the behavior in the post. HAAHAHAHAHA omg

I think I'm more liable to noticing the effects of the edibles on account of my crippling back and neck pain, which the Gummy Bears assuage quite nicely.

In fact, I've recently taken to applying a CBD roll-on once in a while when I can't stand up straight, and honest to God it works as good if not better than Icy-Hot. Awesome sh*t.

The funniest thing ever was when I had to take a two-week "mental health vacation" at a rehab center a few years ago, and on Day 2 they put me in a Dual Diagnostics group meeting with a bunch of addicts and alcoholics. And everyone was going around the room talking about why they were in there, and when the lady asked me I was like, "I honestly have no idea." She's like "Seriously?" and I'm like "No idea." So she looked over her notes and was like, "You're in this group because when they did your blood work, your THC levels were... extraordinarily high." :lol: Everyone kinda had a laugh, and then a few of the people who were in there for "real" sh*t were like "That's f*cking nonsense, though; I got a drinking problem, this dude's got a coke problem... and you got this dude in here for weed? C'mon, man!" It was like a much tamer version of that one scene in "Half-Baked", but with no Bob Saget.

Then a bunch of 'em were like "Sh*t, soon as I get outta here I'm gettin' my medical card, so I can stop takin' these damn pills you all got me on!" :lol: The therapist lady didn't much care for that, but seriously. Why kill your liver if you don't have to?

Fun times.

I have never smoked up, regardless of countless people trying to get me on board. -shrugs- I smoke cigars though.

[Leo656]

I've noticed that a lot of folks here don't, and I absolutely have to assume that it's why everyone here is so high-strung and why so many fights break out.

I fully admit to the fact that some of my nastiest posts are from when I can't smoke, whether I'm sick or whatever else. In general I'm pretty damn jolly.

I absolutely loathe people who do drugs and I'm super-judgmental about it. But all weed does is make a person crave Cheez-Its, and otherwise gives them a "Who Gives A Sh*t?" filter. Like bad things happen and your default reaction becomes, "Eh... who gives a sh*t?" And that's pretty great.

I mean some people physically can't smoke anything at all, but again now that there's edibles I don't think anyone ever has any excuse to be a dick ever again. Just pop a couple'a Gummy Bears and let a smile be your umbrella, or whatever.

And I allegedly have Bipolar Disorder so you know I know what I'm talking about. :lol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Thank you Aqua, for the support, it seems to be in rather short supply around here, lately.

I'm just going to ignore the unfounded and farcical accusations from those two from this point, since it's clear they are simply trying to use abusive behavior tactics to make themselves look good by tearing me down for believing in being decent and kind to others. Compassion and empathy clearly aren't part of their personal attributes. I live by the Wiccan Rede, "if it harms none, do as you will," which in addition to not intentionally hurting others, also means not standing by while others do so. It also means not letting others harm you without defending yourself. Which is why I felt the need to address those ridiculous accusations. But if they can't acknowledge and listen to the TRUTH when a person tells it to them, I really have no patience for such nonsense. Never been jealous over a car, a house, or anything else. Don't even OWN a car, but it's never really bothered me much, as I hardly even NEED one, and don't really miss not having one. So there's that theory blasted to heck.

I don't care what job another person has, and don't look down on anyone for their jobs, either. It's no big deal to me. I work in fast food in part because it's one of the few RELIABLE jobs in the area I live in, and apparently it makes me an essential worker, so there's that. Never had to worry about losing my job. I'm GOOD at what I do, and have customers who literally come there because they know I will take care of them. That's worth a lot to me, more than having a big paycheck or fancy anything. Having people appreciate and value what you do for them is far better to me than wealth or status.

Of course th there are the bad apples I deal with, but that's just how it goes in serving the general public. I just ant a bit at the end of the day, and then have a good laugh over it, and move on. Could tell a million stories about Karens whose entitled attitudes left me wondering wtf is wrong with society. But I just try to ignore most of them, and enjoy seeing my regulars. The ones who are super awesome, like bringing a box of chocolates when it's my birthday, or Christmas cards with gift cards in them. Things like that that let me know they really do appreciate the things I do to serve them. It's honestly the best feeling in the world to know your work matters to someone!

I guess IMJ and Sumac can't relate to that mindset, because they are both too bent on tearing people down. But that's their own problem, not mine. I try to HELP others, it's not only my job, it's who I am. I try to make people smile or laugh, as it makes the world a little better. That's just what makes me happy- not having a big house or expensive car, or whatever those two seem to ascribe to me. It they want to believe their little fantasy of what they think I'm like, I just have to shake my head and wonder what made them so spiteful and petty. Because that's all it is.

[Sumac]

Thank you Aqua, for the support, it seems to be in rather short supply around here, lately.
I wonder why?
Maybe, because, you act like an entitled self-important woman-baby, defending rapey losers and other scum, using insults, when someone calls you out? Nah, it must be everyone are evil and don't like you because you are such a compassionate and good person!!

As if anyone on this forum care about that.
Or can verify your claims, which can be a lie for all I care.

I am judging you strictly by content of your posts and they are hilarious, ridiculous and insulting for any rational adult person, unicorns and **** non-withstanding.
But at least it is obvious now why are you like that: I don't expect a woman in her 40s-50s (?) who don't have a decent job and brags about it and follows new age crap quasi-religion, to understand how world works. Its like you have stuck in your teenage years. Maybe it is time to grow up?

[IMJ]

Thank you Aqua, for the support, it seems to be in rather short supply around here, lately.

It's not really support when the entire point of the support wasn't founded in the reality of the comment, now wasn't it?

I guess IMJ and Sumac can't relate to that mindset, because they are both too bent on tearing people down

You would have never been "torn down" had you not initiated those responses by presentation of your personality here. And now you want to deflect the social damage from your position and attitude by focusing on someone who tends to make effective and supported points, but I don't need to be the figurehead for your pathetic BS. It's clear that I am the target you are obsessed with, but it's also clear that there are many people here who have your number and are sick of it as well.

You had a chance to defend your assaults and phony positioning but instead all you did was reveal yourself completely in lieu of any effective justification of your mentality. Now, take any mentions of me out of your obsessive method of operating, and go back to whatever real life you live stirring up $#!( in whatever stunted social circle you might be clinging to.

The simple fact is this - I don't arbitrarily, or unannounced, or unsolicited attack anyone. EVER. Without them showing their colors or provoking it first. It's not even remotely who I am, but I don't tolerate hate coming at me from stunted f's with uninformed opinions. At all. Basically don't "Napolean Dynamite" in my direction at all. It's simple Duckie - if you are going to socialize with regular people who are sick of your $#!( then just talk and keep your 5th grade "eyerolling" responses, or uninformed opinions to yourself. And if you have an opinion that is informed then maybe present that. In other words, like a few other people of the Technodrome need to do - grow the f up if you want any form of respect from the normalized folks in the room.

The real truth is that I'm the kind of guy that If I attack you? It's probably a sure sign that you are a complete $#!(bag. You better believe it.

[Coola Yagami]

Thank you Aqua, for the support, it seems to be in rather short supply around here, lately.



I kinda think that's the only thing you needed to say. Literally the rest of that post has nothing to do with anything and no one really asked/cared to know. That might be the main reason these guys are attacking you. Just try to stay on topic and save the extra info for 'General Discussion' on a topic where all of that would actually be appropriate.

Falcon and Winter Soldier discussion please.

Not coming at you, but if you want them to stop, then you also stop giving them ammo.

[Jester]

I kinda think that's the only thing you needed to say. Literally the rest of that post has nothing to do with anything and no one really asked/cared to know. That might be the main reason these guys are attacking you. Just try to stay on topic and save the extra info for 'General Discussion' on a topic where all of that would actually be appropriate.

Falcon and Winter Soldier discussion please.

Not coming at you, but if you want them to stop, then you also stop giving them ammo.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/566/702/3f2.jpeg

[Andrew NDB]

Mackie wanted to include "make America great again" a part of his character's sermon in the finale. Also, he thinks everyone wants "change."

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/falcon-winter-soldier-star-anthony-151824237.html

[Coola Yagami]

Mackie wanted to include "make America great again" a part of his character's sermon in the finale. Also, he thinks everyone wants "change."

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/falcon-winter-soldier-star-anthony-151824237.html

Great idea Mackie, quote the guy that would be happy having you go back to sitting in the back of the bus, ****in idiot.

[Andrew NDB]

Great idea Mackie, quote the guy that would be happy having you go back to sitting in the back of the bus, ****in idiot.

No, that's the new guy. Biden doesn't believe black people are even able to figure out how to get an ID and used to call them "super predators."

[Leo656]

Funny how all that sh*t goes away as soon as it's convenient.

Few politicians in modern American history have directly put more black people in jail than Biden and Harris. But they swear they have Black America's best interests at heart... might as well believe them! :lol: After all, "Words speak louder than Actions", isn't that what they say?

....Oh, wait.

[Galactus]

Funny how all that sh*t goes away as soon as it's convenient.

Few politicians in modern American history have directly put more black people in jail than Biden and Harris. But they swear they have Black America's best interests at heart... might as well believe them! :lol: After all, "Words speak louder than Actions", isn't that what they say?

....Oh, wait.

Sure but facts can be viewed very differently depending on political persuasion.

Like objectively Obama was the toughest president when it came to deporting undocumented immigrants. Yet for 8 years and Trump's entire campaign he was portrayed by conservatives as soft on illegal immigration and was allowing swathes of people to just waltz across the Mexican border and live in the US.

[Leo656]

Basically, when it comes to politics and politicians, whatever is being spoken out loud on TV is generally the opposite of what's true. Which is why people should actually read more and not just believe whatever they see on TV or what shows up in their FB feed. That stuff's all bullsh*t. You always need to dig deeper for the actual truth.

Like, remember when people swore the virus DIDN'T come from a lab in Wuhan, and they called you nasty names and tried to get you kicked off of social media if you said you were pretty sure it did? And then come to find out it DID? Good times.

People who get their "news" from soundbites and memes shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[Sumac]

Like, remember when people swore the virus DIDN'T come from a lab in Wuhan, and they called you nasty names and tried to get you kicked off of social media if you said you were pretty sure it did? And then come to find out it DID? Good times.
The main problem is not that some random people were saying that virus "can not come out of the lab", but that it was official stance of scientists, who were supposed to have an educated opinion.

[IMJ]

The short of it is that the lab theory became a liberal power-grab point to further discredit anyone they felt was "against them".

Modern liberalism is a disease of life-anger-psychology that projects onto any virtue signal in order to hide the intent. It's a model for awful people. "I have gout and ongoing back pain and my life isn't what I wanted it to be, but you make solid points so you are a racist and I hate and ignore you" = modern liberalism.

[ranger_scout]

I'm kind of surprised that no one has posted this video yet.

XeezcK22yBQ

Also, it just continually disappoints me that crazy shippers just can't accept that two guys can just be best friends anymore. There is nothing wrong with that.




“So many things are twisted and convoluted. There’s so many things that people latch on to with their own devices to make themselves relevant and rational,” the actor replied. “The idea of two guys being friends and loving each other in 2021 is a problem because of the exploitation of homosexuality. It used to be guys can be friends, we can hang out, and it was cool. You would always meet your friends at the bar, you know."

"You can’t do that anymore, because something as pure and beautiful as homosexuality has been exploited by people who are trying to rationalize themselves," he continued. "So something that’s always been very important to me is showing a sensitive masculine figure. There’s nothing more masculine than being a superhero and flying around and beating people up. But there’s nothing more sensitive than having emotional conversations and a kindred spirit friendship with someone that you care about and love.”



https://variety.com/2021/tv/awards/anthony-mackie-falcon-winter-soldier-paul-bettany-wandavision-podcast-1234999174/

If he is in fact getting backlash for saying that, then it's truly a shame.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/falcon_and_the_winter_soldier/tfatws-star-anthony-mackie-faces-backlash-for-response-to-sam-bucky-romance-speculation-a185765#gs.47tgxm

[Autbot_Benz]

I'm kind of surprised that no one has posted this video yet.


Also, it just continually disappoints me that crazy shippers just can't accept that two guys can just be best friends anymore. There is nothing wrong with that.




https://variety.com/2021/tv/awards/anthony-mackie-falcon-winter-soldier-paul-bettany-wandavision-podcast-1234999174/

If he is in fact getting backlash for saying that, then it's truly a shame.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/falcon_and_the_winter_soldier/tfatws-star-anthony-mackie-faces-backlash-for-response-to-sam-bucky-romance-speculation-a185765#gs.47tgxm

agreed I hate shippers (mainly the Arrowverse ones). they need to seriously get a life.

[CyberCubed]

Why do people want Falcon and Bucky to be gay? Just because they work together? It's so pointless, they barely have any chemistry on-screen anyway.

[Sumac]

Why do people want Falcon and Bucky to be gay? Just because they work together? It's so pointless, they barely have any chemistry on-screen anyway.
Because, in the [current year] friendship is no longer possible. If two people are fighting or living together, they, of course, want to get into each other pants.

This is what happens when a lot of people embrace horny mindset of under****ed teens.

[IMJ]

Why do people want Falcon and Bucky to be gay? Just because they work together? It's so pointless, they barely have any chemistry on-screen anyway.

Weirdos with fetish fantasy and agendas want them to be gay, and then that gives the media something to write about and virtue signal for and it gets exacerbated from there.

There'd be nothing wrong with them being gay except that.... they aren't. No big deal. I'm more curious to see if Hollywoke will eat more of their own now that Mackie doubled down on resisting, whether his response to it was cleverly woven or otherwise.

[Galactus]

If you've been a fan of classic Star Trek and seen the mountains of slash fiction and homoerotic art about every variation of the main male characters it's not a new thing at all.

[ranger_scout]

If you've been a fan of classic Star Trek and seen the mountains of slash fiction and homoerotic art about every variation of the main male characters it's not a new thing at all.

In the 1960s Batman TV series, some fans have long speculated if Batman and Robin were partners. Burt Ward, who played Robin, said in his autobiography, Boy Wonder: My Life in Tights, that the relationship his character had with Adam West's Batman is left open to interpretation that they could be lovers. I think that was ridiculous of him to say. Even the animated films that he, West, and Julie Newmar did in the 2010s clearly show that Batman/Bruce was in love with Catwoman. Dick Grayson was always Bruce Wayne's ward in that show while Bruce/Batman clearly had romantic feelings for Catwoman and he also later went on dates with Barbara Gordon/Batgirl.

[CyberCubed]

Well in Batman's case it borderlines on pedophilia since Batman usually adopts Dick when he's around 8-10, even if he was older in the show.

[Coola Yagami]

Everyone is just desperate or at least over-eager, to make everything gay nowadays.

[Leo656]

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[neatoman]

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[Leo656]

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[Coola Yagami]

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Rainbow Dash saw a dick for the first time..... she must've run into her fanbase.

[Andrew NDB]

Apparently they're retroactively toning down some of the violence?

https://insidethemagic.net/2022/03/disney-plus-censored-falcon-and-winter-soldier-rwb1/

https://www.darkhorizons.com/disney-edits-marvels-falcon-series/

[Autbot_Benz]

Apparently they're retroactively toning down some of the violence?

https://insidethemagic.net/2022/03/disney-plus-censored-falcon-and-winter-soldier-rwb1/

https://www.darkhorizons.com/disney-edits-marvels-falcon-series/

it was a mistake

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[Autbot_Benz]

Falcon & The Winter Solider hits Steelbook Blu Ray and 4k April 30th

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