Scooby-Doo and the Curse of the 13th Ghost

[TurtleTitan97]

33 years after its cancellation, The 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo animated series will be getting a conclusion in an upcoming animated film:

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[sdp]

Holy Sh-t! This has made my day, 13 ghosts of SD is my second favorite series probably. About ten years ago I ranted how those annual direct to video movies should do different things like maybe maybe one set int he time of A pup named SD and one to finish off the 13th ghost! It took a decade but they listened to me :lol: For those who don't care I once made a complete continuity timeline of all the SD shows, it was awesome but it's about ten years out of date.


So, this is set a few months after? Weird they mention that since flimflam is an adult. Reviving this series without Scrappy will be sad, he better be name dropped at least "Oh he went with his uncle Dum" or whatever. Weerd and Bogel should also be in the movie, even if it's a cameo! Oh yeah, SD is serious business.

[CyberCubed]

Holy crap, this is something 8 year old me always wanted! :lol:

[ranger_scout]

I know that some fans will be glad that this series is getting proper closure, but it's really strange how they are bringing back FlimFlam, who was just as unpopular as Scrappy, but Scrappy isn't returning.

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah, the neglect of Scrappy and the even likely refusal to acknowledge Daphne and Shaggy were living together in that series are turn-offs for me. Plus the gang shouldn't be too surprised at confronting "real" threats as the DTV movie franchise was once littered with them.

[Redeemer]

Holy Sh-t! This has made my day, 13 ghosts of SD is my second favorite series probably. About ten years ago I ranted how those annual direct to video movies should do different things like maybe maybe one set int he time of A pup named SD and one to finish off the 13th ghost! It took a decade but they listened to me :lol: For those who don't care I once made a complete continuity timeline of all the SD shows, it was awesome but it's about ten years out of date.


So, this is set a few months after? Weird they mention that since flimflam is an adult. Reviving this series without Scrappy will be sad, he better be name dropped at least "Oh he went with his uncle Dum" or whatever. Weerd and Bogel should also be in the movie, even if it's a cameo! Oh yeah, SD is serious business.

I think I remember you making a thread about that :lol:

But anyway this movie doesn't look good at all..... I like the idea of them giving the series a proper ending, but this movie just looks bad. They should start out the movie by either telling the movie in a flash back or have the movie just started in the past with Shaggy and Daphne still being by themselves with Scooby and Scrappy and they could "Call" Freddy and Velma in for help to capture this last Ghost and this could explain how the gang gets back together!!!!

[oldmanwinters]

Well this was unexpected, but very welcome to me. I loved the series, the Vincent Price-love, and I wished it had received proper closure.

I figured that throw-away reference to the series in Mystery Incorporated would be the most attention the series would ever get. I'm just assuming WB will probably use it as yet another excuse to crap on Scrappy-Doo (Mystery Incorporated couldn't resist, even being vague). Hope I'm wrong, but even if that's the case, I think it should at least be enjoyable.

EDIT:
No Blu Ray option?

[CyberCubed]

Didn't even realize that was Flim Flam that little hispanic boy. Seems interesting, I hope the other characters get cameos. Nice to see a plothole tied up 33 years later.

Now if only they can make a movie finishing up the end of Pirates of Dark Water, then we'd be set.

[sdp]

Analyzing that trailer for continuity:

Daphne doesn't say she wasn't with Scooby, in fact the trailer implies she was with her "we trapped 12" and is even wearing a jump suit like in the 13 ghosts.

Freddy is shocked about ghosts but it's only implying he hasn't seen them not that he doesn't know. I'm still shocked about space travel but that doesn't mean I don't know it doesn't exist. Of course Velma does mess it up saying ghosts aren't real but has she even seen ghosts? She's seen real monsters for sure but maybe not ghosts but my memory is hazy.

The popular theory in the scooby fandom was that Vincent VanGhoul just erased their memory after the 13th ghost who was captured just never had an episode about it. I guess that could still be what happened only with the rest of the gang. This makes sense since they do mention it's been "months" which would mean this takes place in the pre Direct To Video films era before they broke up originally, hell them selling their stuff might just mean it's specifically set in that era perfectly. The main problem is flim flam who is now tall, then again, maybe he had a growth spurt, he could've been 12 in the show and is now 13 and tall.

As far as scrappy, he's too important, I don't think he'll appear in the movie but I do think he'll get a throw away line of him having gone back with Scooby-Dum or whatever.

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My timeline Scooby timeline is outdated, my goal for 2019 will now have to be to catch up on the last ten years worth of scooby shows/movies to fit them all in one nice timeline, and see how I fix the god damn problem that Mystery Inc created ;)


Now if only they can make a movie finishing up the end of Pirates of Dark Water, then we'd be set.

This is getting a lot of attention so maybe revivals on previous Scooby incarnations might become a thing, A Pup Named Scooby Doo here we come!(no the puppet movie doesn't count)

Pirates of Dark Water is something WB doesn't even know what it is, if Swat Kats and other more popular cult shows can't get anything Pirates won't ;(

[Wildcat]

Never saw much of 13 Ghosts but it’s cool they’re giving it an ending. Scrappy never really bothered me but I guess he was annoying.

Number 1 thing I want is still Scooby Doo meets the Ghostbusters.

[Redeemer]

This makes sense since they do mention it's been "months" which would mean this takes place in the pre Direct To Video films era before they broke up originally, hell them selling their stuff might just mean it's specifically set in that era perfectly. The main problem is flim flam who is now tall, then again, maybe he had a growth spurt, he could've been 12 in the show and is now 13 and tall.

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I don't think they actually say how much time has passed. They just indicated that Vincent has just been trying to get in contact with them for the pass 9 months. 2 years could have passed and Vincent could have been trying to get in contact with them for the past 9 months after a couple years have already passed.

As I said before I think this movie will not be well done story wise and will be messing, but I will still be happy to see it. Now I just have to re-watch the 13 ghost series.

[ZariusTwo]

As I said before I think this movie will not be well done story wise and will be messing.

This. These movies aren't going to suddenly improve in quality now just because of fan-service.

Also I think they'll use the movie to show just how "wrong" it was for Shaggy, Daphne and Scooby to function as a unit without Fred or Velma...and Fred for some reason is even more of a goof here than he's ever been. I hope there's a surprise twist and Daphne finally dumps him, but it's doubtful. WB are actually aware there's a fanbase for Shaggy and Daphne and often troll that fandom.

[Sage Ninja]

I recently watched a few episodes of the original series from the 60's and 70's and I was shocked at what a level headed and mature character Freddy used to be, you felt he was the unofficial leader. Why modern iterations of him have made him so goofy and all I will never know.

[lonewarrior20]

i hope they have a flashback and show werewolf daphne. that was one of the best animated werewolf tfs of all time. even have a few cels of her.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Looks pretty fun!

I'm the minority in that I like Scrappy Doo. Never understood why people thought he was annoying. I thought he was especially great in the following 3 movies; Meets the Boo Brothers, The Reluctant Werewolf, and The Ghoul School.

[Chaotix12345]

I'm also in the "didn't mind Scrappy" camp. Though, I think most of the hate comes from a lot of people's first impression of him being a high-pitched, danger-crazy character thrown into an already-established gang back in his first season. Thus, they didn't really care that he was made a lot more competent and less annoying in subsequent seasons, shows, and movies. (Mostly to serve the stable role originally filled by the non-Scooby-and-Shaggy members of the gang who were retired for a bit from the second Scrappy season onward.) I grew up with the second season Scrappy and the 80's movies as my Scooby norm, thus, I didn't really see a problem with him.

Anyway, this is such a neat idea for a movie. I didn't think these Scooby DTVs would still be able to surprise me after they brought Batman the Brave and the Bold back after years off the air for a crossover, but they still managed to do so. I love all the weird throwbacks to 13 Ghosts like Daphne's alternate wardrobe and the Not-Mystery-Machine and I love how Flim Flam aged, yet the rest of them stayed the same. :lol: Definitely looking forward to this, especially seeing what other little references they can squeeze in. (Scrappy getting a shout-out or nod would be nice.)

[ZariusTwo]

I went through a phase where I hated Scrappy (just 'cause the internet tells you to), but why keep evading him when the point of many of these cartoon revivals is to correct or improve on the flaws of the original shows?

[oldmanwinters]

I went through a phase where I hated Scrappy (just 'cause the internet tells you to), but why keep evading him when the point of many of these cartoon revivals is to correct or improve on the flaws of the original shows?

There's the old saying "there are no bad characters, just bad writers." Seems like most people who hate Scrappy blame him for disrupting the Scooby status quo (remove Fred and Velma add Daphne back later), which I agree is a valid critique, but the amount of disrespect shown to Scrappy since the live-action movies is just unbelievable.

[sdp]

I don't think they actually say how much time has passed. They just indicated that Vincent has just been trying to get in contact with them for the pass 9 months. 2 years could have passed and Vincent could have been trying to get in contact with them for the past 9 months after a couple years have already passed.

As I said before I think this movie will not be well done story wise and will be messing, but I will still be happy to see it. Now I just have to re-watch the 13 ghost series.This. These movies aren't going to suddenly improve in quality now just because of fan-service.

Also I think they'll use the movie to show just how "wrong" it was for Shaggy, Daphne and Scooby to function as a unit without Fred or Velma...and Fred for some reason is even more of a goof here than he's ever been. I hope there's a surprise twist and Daphne finally dumps him, but it's doubtful. WB are actually aware there's a fanbase for Shaggy and Daphne and often troll that fandom.

I don't think I'd like the movie to take place before the modern era though since them selling the mystery Inc stuff could be the story that sets up the original break up, only here it's amicable which has never been shown in cartoon form.

As far as the quality I don't know how the DTVs are now but they were hit or miss back in the day. And of course the writers don't care about continuity, they just thought it'd be a cool story to finish and it could work stand alone, this will contradict a bunch of stuff but that's the fun.

I recently watched a few episodes of the original series from the 60's and 70's and I was shocked at what a level headed and mature character Freddy used to be, you felt he was the unofficial leader. Why modern iterations of him have made him so goofy and all I will never know.

Freddy being goofy started with A Pup Named Scooby-Doo and that personality trait stuck in the live action movie and the following series as adult and has mostly stuck since for better or worse. I like it but they over do it.


Looks pretty fun!


I'm also in the "didn't mind Scrappy" camp.

I went through a phase where I hated Scrappy (just 'cause the internet tells you to), but why keep evading him when the point of many of these cartoon revivals is to correct or improve on the flaws of the original shows?

I'm a Scrappy fan as well, the fact that they avoid him as if he were a racist caricature is rather odd. I liked him as a kid, the show gets boring when it's only Scooby, Shaggy and Scrappy and that's also were he's at his worst but ironically enough all his following appearances he was a better character as he had more of a Freddy role. But it's cool to hate on Scrappy so that's why they do it, I do hope one day they finally give him a chance again, with 2 movies or so a year why can't they mix it up with one movie being about Scrappy, surely better than the average ghost of the year movie they've now been doing for 20 years.

[neatoman]

Ah yes, the 13 Ghosts, the first season of Scooby-Doo that actually had a good justification for the name change.

[CyberCubed]

Scooby Doo may very well be the longest lasting western cartoon in existence if you don't count Simpsons. Scooby Doo has almost had a continual presence since 1969. There is one new Scooby Doo cartoon after the other.

In my mind all the Scooby Doo series take place in the same continuity. Sure some things don't make sense or are retconned, but that's the same for superhero comics so what's the difference. :lol:

Seriously how many Scooby Doo episodes and movies are there with everything combined?

[neatoman]

Scooby Doo may very well be the longest lasting western cartoon in existence if you don't count Simpsons. Scooby Doo has almost had a continual presence since 1969. There is one new Scooby Doo cartoon after the other.

In my mind all the Scooby Doo series take place in the same continuity. Sure some things don't make sense or are retconned, but that's the same for superhero comics so what's the difference. :lol:

Seriously how many Scooby Doo episodes and movies are there with everything combined?

As of right now there are 392 episodes of Scooby Doo, 16 TV specials/movies, 28 Direct to video movies and 5 live action movies.

The Simpsons is in fact the longest American cartoon ever made if you only count TV episodes (and don't include reboots/retitling), at 667 confirmed episodes.

Although... There were 1000 Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies shorts by the late 60's with a few additional ones after that, 502 TV show episodes based around the characters... So you know, there's that to consider.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah but the old Looney Tunes were generally 7 minute shorts, not full 22 minute episodes.

[ZariusTwo]

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New clip, Easter eggs with Daphne's 80s outfit and hairstyle, plus an explanation for why their mission was cut short. Can't say I'm too satisfied with it, really throws Scooby under the bus and isn't even a half-way decent way of excusing yourselves from an assignment with higher stakes...you quit because your dog gets nervous? So just leave him at home and resume your task without him.

[sdp]

The Scooby timelines will need to be revised, the events happened "months ago", Velma/Freddy were at summer camp, they finished all their cases so they're selling everything including the mystery machine. The excuse is cheap but whatever it's far better than leaving the story unresolved for over two decades.

[oldmanwinters]

Official clips:
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I really wish this were getting a BluRay + Digital HD combo pack release, as I hate paying full price for a barebones DVD disc with no UV digital redemption code.

[ZariusTwo]

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Ok, as a Daphne/Shaggy fan, this has helped me feel a whole lot better about this movie. Fred is so clearly the cuck here it wouldn't surprise me if Shaggy and Daphne were boning in secret.

[sdp]

Ok, as a Daphne/Shaggy fan, this has helped me feel a whole lot better about this movie. Fred is so clearly the cuck here it wouldn't surprise me if Shaggy and Daphne were boning in secret.

What the..

[ZariusTwo]

What the..

There's a cult following for the Daphne/Shaggy years and the idea the two were dating around that phase. Fred/Daphne started off as a joke in Johnny Bravo that blossomed into full on canon, some of the fans are convinced the pairing is a little too forced by WB, that there's no chemistry between Fred and Daphne (I tend to agree), and that she was much closer to Scoob and Shaggy. Sometimes the writers of the movies and shows throw the fandom an easter egg or two (like most recently Be Cool Scooby Doo where Daphne pretended to be Shaggy's girlfriend and enjoyed playing the part way too much)

[ZariusTwo]

Just read a couple of spoilers for the movie.

It's a bait and switch. The 13th Ghost is actually a fake. There is no resolution to the series, and very little Shaggy/Daphne interaction

[neatoman]

Just read a couple of spoilers for the movie.

It's a bait and switch. The 13th Ghost is actually a fake. There is no resolution to the series, and very little Shaggy/Daphne interaction

To be fair:
The real thirteenth ghost is implied to have gone on to the afterlife.

[ZariusTwo]

To be fair:
The real thirteenth ghost is implied to have gone on to the afterlife.

How is that fair to the show or it's fans who wanted a compelling resolution? All that does is cheapen it. The gang averted near doom for the world on multiple occasions with the 12 that they did catch (hell, Time Slime rewrote reality) and you're telling me the final hurdle in their quest just got bored and left this realm of his own accord?

[neatoman]

How is that fair to the show or it's fans who wanted a compelling resolution? All that does is cheapen it. The gang averted near doom for the world on multiple occasions with the 12 that they did catch (hell, Time Slime rewrote reality) and you're telling me the final hurdle in their quest just got bored and left this realm of his own accord?

I guess they wanted this to fit the Scooby-Doo formula better?
If you pay attention, nothing explicitly supernatural actually happens here.

[sdp]

Well it's definitely underwhelming there is no actual 13th ghost, especially since it's such a bait and switch from what the movie promised.

Only positive is that I guess it works better for the timeline that they don't see an actual ghost and things are more "grounded" just in time for Zombie Island when they see monsters for the "first" time as a group.

[ZariusTwo]

Well it's definitely underwhelming there is no actual 13th ghost, especially since it's such a bait and switch from what the movie promised.

Only positive is that I guess it works better for the timeline that they don't see an actual ghost and things are more "grounded" just in time for Zombie Island when they see monsters for the "first" time as a group.

I think the Zombie Island continuity came to a halt after "Cyber Chase"

[ranger_scout]

I rented the movie on I-Tunes. I thought it was entertaining and I was glad to see them show the backstory of Vincent Van Ghoul. It's far from perfect though.

When the fake 13th ghost is unmasked, Vincent apparently sees his ancestor's spirit in a cloud of smoke after the bad guy dives his car off a cliff. Velma tells Vincent that the real 13th ghost has gone on to the after-life, but then she tells Flim-Flam that she made it up since Vincent based his whole agenda based off of the story if his ancestor. She then said that it's possible that the other 12 ghosts may have been illusions because the Himalayas can play tricks on someone's mind. Daphne said before they left that the whole summer they spent catching the ghosts was traumatizing for Scooby, so Velma's theory about illusions could've been proven correct. When Velma holds the real Chest of Demons at the very end, she still decides not to open it even though she's still doesn't believe in supernatural things.

Here are my additional thoughts:

* Velma's theory about there being nothing supernatural after all might also have been right since Bogel and Weerd, two ghosts, are nowhere to be seen.

* As for Scrappy being dissed, here's what happens. When Daphne, Shaggy and Scooby reunite with Flim-Flam, Fred says that the gang is all here. Then Flim-Flam responds with "except for Scrappy." Fred and Velma then look puzzled and Velma asks, "what's a Scrappy?" This was obviously to please fans who had been unhappy with Fred and Velma being absent for so long and had no presence in The 13 Ghosts series at all.

[ZariusTwo]

I rented the movie on I-Tunes. I thought it was entertaining and I was glad to see them show the backstory of Vincent Van Ghoul. It's far from perfect though.

When the fake 13th ghost is unmasked, Vincent apparently sees his ancestor's spirit in a cloud of smoke after the bad guy dives his car off a cliff. Velma tells Vincent that the real 13th ghost has gone on to the after-life, but then she tells Flim-Flam that she made it up since Vincent based his whole agenda based off of the story if his ancestor. She then said that it's possible that the other 12 ghosts may have been illusions because the Himalayas can play tricks on someone's mind. Daphne said before they left that the whole summer they spent catching the ghosts was traumatizing for Scooby, so Velma's theory about illusions could've been proven correct. When Velma holds the real Chest of Demons at the very end, she still decides not to open it even though she's still doesn't believe in supernatural things.

Here are my additional thoughts:

* Velma's theory about there being nothing supernatural after all might also have been right since Bogel and Weerd, two ghosts, are nowhere to be seen.

* As for Scrappy being dissed, here's what happens. When Daphne, Shaggy and Scooby reunite with Flim-Flam, Fred says that the gang is all here. Then Flim-Flam responds with "except for Scrappy." Fred and Velma then look puzzled and Velma asks, "what's a Scrappy?" This was obviously to please fans who had been unhappy with Fred and Velma being absent for so long and had no presence in The 13 Ghosts series at all.

Except Fred and Velma were in seasons with Scrappy

I think we have to accept that these DTV movies are in a seperate canon from the HB era of the show.

[oldmanwinters]

Except Fred and Velma were in seasons with Scrappy

I think we have to accept that these DTV movies are in a seperate canon from the HB era of the show.

That's always been the only way it makes sense to me when modern shows try to reference older material. Basically, it's like "some version of these events" happened in the new continuity. Haven't gotten around to seeing the movie yet, but even if they do play fast and loose with the vintage show's canon, I think I can enjoy it for being one possible take on the series from the perspective of the characters consistent with "Mystery Solving" philosophy. I've always thought if you go all-in on the supernatural elements of Scooby-Doo, then Velma's role is made almost irrelevant.

I do like the opening credits, with lots of specific references to old show episodes (Werewolf Daphne, the Bermuda Triangle ghost, Demondo and the comic, etc.):
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[Leofan26]

Except Fred and Velma were in seasons with Scrappy

I think we have to accept that these DTV movies are in a seperate canon from the HB era of the show.

I did along time ago since in the 80s films to 90s they are clearly adults, in these films they are teens, than this popped up confusing us Scooby fans even more
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As a stand alone film it would have been good, however they kept advertising it as a final conclusion to the 13 ghosts annoyingly so. I refuse to accept that ending as canon to the series, it also doesn't even make sense with what they faced in the series. Makes me wonder what the original crew would have done to end the series, why didn't Warner Brothers get those guys back to do this film? There still a live after all, I wonder if there ticked off about all this?

Let me right a review of the Scooby gang

Shaggy- Same as always, slightly braver was cool that he still knew to fly an airplane, glad these new writers remembered his character could do that. Just wish they brought in his red T-Shirt this time, why let Daph wear similar looking clothes to her 13 Ghosts outfit but not Shaggy? Oh well.

Scooby- Same.

Daph- Pretty bad Ass, she was pretty cool in the 13 Ghosts series but they did dial that up to 11 as I don't remember her acting that hard core.

Fred- He was hilerious here, it was fun seeing him be all useless for once.

Velma- Good flipping Mike was she annoying, easily the worse part of the film. Her ego was horrible to deal with, her refusal to accept ghosts and Deamons as real drove me nuts. I kept wanting someone to tie her up and gag her toss her into the river UGH!! Are the writers trying to make the fandom hate her character? They are doing a good, every review I've read has said the same thing about her.

Flim Flam- Enjoyed his character, was in character I just wish he had more interactions with Shaggy / Daph/ Scooby :cry:

Strike 1 for not even including Scrappy in the intro and having Velma forget about Scrappy. Even Scrappy haters are finding this running gag unfunny at this point. He should he been talked about in a positive way too, he was apart of the main crew after all :trolleye:

Loved the intro though and the animation was on point.

Over all, as a fan of the 13 Ghosts series I find it horrible and refuse to accept that ending apart of the series. It's easy to do too as the age differences mess things up.

I worry about the Zombie Island sequel, they messed up this I hate to see how they will ruin this classic film. Please no Daph/Fred romance plot, it was cute in the original Zombie Island but with these films they've hit us over the head with a frying pan with it, we get it you both like each other just get together already!! Please let them be a couple here, please!! You want something with romance to make reference to Zombie Island film fine, give Shaggy a romance subplot instead, I'm pretty sure that'd please the fandom.

FYI I didn't realize how many Scooby fans are on here besides me.

[newfan]

Oh, just checked, it's released on Monday here. I've always grabbed the new movies if I am out and spot them. I did pick up the series for this when this thread came up as I don't remember it much and thought my children could watch it.

[ZariusTwo]

I worry about the Zombie Island sequel, they messed up this I hate to see how they will ruin this classic film. Please no Daph/Fred romance plot, it was cute in the original Zombie Island but with these films they've hit us over the head with a frying pan with it, we get it you both like each other just get together already!! .

There's a growing number of fans who don't want her with Fred, they want her with Shaggy. Shaggy's popularity is skyrocketing lately too with the Ultra Instinct meme

[oldmanwinters]

There's a growing number of fans who don't want her with Fred, they want her with Shaggy. Shaggy's popularity is skyrocketing lately too with the Ultra Instinct meme

Honestly, I think Fred and Velma would be a good fit. Because of 13th Ghost and the New Scoopy-Doo/Scrappy Doo Show (sharing the same vehicle and living in the same house), it just made sense that Daphne and Shaggy were a couple, even if they weren't showy about PDA.

[Leofan26]

There's a growing number of fans who don't want her with Fred, they want her with Shaggy. Shaggy's popularity is skyrocketing lately too with the Ultra Instinct meme

Hasn't Shaggy always been popular in the Scooby Doo fandom? In the older classics I heard he and Scooby we're always fan favorites while Fred and Velma had been the least favorites which is why they got nixed during the 80s series and films in the first place. That and Scrappy I guess was popular at the times and saved the Scooby series from dying the earlier years. So they thought keeping the three most popular characters while getting rid of the other three would get the series more ratings, or that's what I read in interviews.

I don't get the Shaggy memes going on right now though.

Don't know how popular Daph was, guess popular enough to brought back.

Surprised about Daph/ Shaggy rising popularity, the 13 Ghosts film coming back probaly helped with that. I used to support it when I was younger myself during the 80s episodes too when I watched them on VSH. Fans are likely tired of Warner Brothers shoving Daph/Fred down our throats, I know I am.

[oldmanwinters]

Can anyone confirm whether there are DVD copies that include a Digital redemption code? Maybe retailer-specific like Walmart/VUDU?

[Jester]

Minor quibble: The Chest of Demons is iconic....it didnt look right in this.