Rise Official Episode Discussion S1 EP7 Bug Busters

[Leonardo2003]

Well, this is gonna be a good one. Tomorrow morning at 9:30AM!

Some previews and trailers:

https://giphy.com/tmnt (Some cools gifs from the episode)

http://mikeyandpizza.tumblr.com/ (2 latest posts are a trailer and a full scene)

[VaughnMichael]

I love the talk of a Battle Nexus and seeing Leatherhead, Rocksteady, Bebop, and Halfcourt there!:o

[Leonardo2003]

15 minutes... hyped!

[Kenwatanabesclone]

At this point i’m almost certain Draxum is a mutated Shredder.

[IndigoErth]

Wow, finally another one that ranks up there with Origami Tsunami and makes me want to know what happens next. Took it long enough! I mean, if this right here was what 80% of the series was actually trying to be it would be a whole lot more likeable for what it is. (And the full half hour block to really tell it... so nice.) Which really kind of annoys me that after all the other nonsense I'm sure this plot won't even continue next week (or no new ep at all...?) or for god knows how long. :ohwell:

Favorite part was definitely Leo finally again showing some smarts and good instinct. And accidental ninja-ness. Maybe its bias talking, but this show definitely seems to reach for trying to be half decent when he isn't being played as just some "one liner" dope in the background and is actually doing something that matters.

My only gripes really are that the yokai thing is rather wasted and has no real point that actually matters when just being mutants would have changed literally nothing, and that trying to attach the Battle Nexus concept to it feels a bit forced.



So, as expected sooner or later, finally direct mention that Draxum created them. Although with the "teenage mutant ninja"...something (sheep something? why?)... I guess they're trying to make people question if they really started out as turtles or not. (I'm surprised this TMNT don't even get the TMNT thing yet... esp since Turtles was kind of the obvious last word to add?)

And whatever that line was from Donnie, something about getting praise or validation or whatever from a parent-aged adult for the first time... Yeah, so Splinter is in deed the crappy parent people thought he was?


edit: Also, Draxum suggests he is supposedly a yokai? Albeit an evil one. And said he wants to turn all the humans into yokai? How does that work exactly... :tconfuse: Mutants, sure, but turning humans into Japanese demons?

Um. Hm. So... turtle yokai? Is that why they're turtles? I will laugh my ass off if these Turtles were human.

[80gmrp]

Honestly, I think I'm going to hold off on watching the episodes for myself for now for reasons I already implied in other threads. It is interesting to see the reception of this episode being better than the first, though, which I did watch and was pretty disappointed by, and it is comforting to hear Leo is a bit less of a moron in this episode.

I just hope that, if those mutants who appeared alongside Draxum have more than cameos later, they're not all working for him, which I suppose is a possibility given the story behind Halfcourt.

[Leofan26]

I haven't been interested in a while for a new episode till now. I absolutely loved it. Leo was boss here, he was smart and every thing I love about the guy. This shows why Leo should be leader too LOL.Hopefully he becomes leader in the final.

I also love how they continue the Raph/Leo rivalry.

[matteso586]

1) So that's where the delivery guy turned mutant fish disappeared to. 2) It appears that Big Mama has cameras hidden all over New York City. How else would she get pictures of every mutant the Turtles have met? 3) Theory time! Splinter WAS one of Baron Draxum's specimens. He had that portal making thing on a shelf in the pilot.

[neatoman]

Alright, so not every monster we've seen run around is exactly a mutant, more like just cryptids or supernatural monsters. That's the take away I get from Big Mama using "Yokai" to describe them. This is yet another piece of information I feel should have come at an earlier point, but at least I guess it's better now than not at all.

I'm also a little puzzled about Leo's realisation at the end, what did they assume they were before? They don't remember Draxum creating them, so is the implication that they thought they were natural beings? I don't get it. Is this another example of an episode being out of order?

By the way, does the Battle Nexus take place in another dimension like before? We know it's not in NYC at least.

[IndigoErth]

Nah, they knew they're mutants. From the first episode ending:
Raph: We're heroes, we deserve a name, like... Mad Dogs!

Leo: Mad Dogs? You don't think something like Ninja Mutant Turtle Teens... or.. I dunno, we'll keep brain storming."

They probably were just too young to remember where or how they came to be. But at the same time, I guess Splinter never told them?

Although in that first ep they already were given reason to suspect Draxum had a hand in it, so why they should be surprised now is beyond me.

[Ninjinister]

The way Big Mama and the Baron both used the term, it was just as if Yokai was just the term they used for what the Turtles and we have been calling mutants. It didn't sound like they were two separate things.

[Wildcat]

Good episode. Makes me wish all of them were the full length.

It’s funny that the newest episode of Ducktales did a Ghostbusters bit too.

[victory_angel]

Nah, they knew they're mutants. From the first episode ending:


They probably were just too young to remember where or how they came to be. But at the same time, I guess Splinter never told them?

Although in that first ep they already were given reason to suspect Draxum had a hand in it, so why they should be surprised now is beyond me.

They suspected they were somehow mutated by the substance that Draxum used, they didn't officially know that they were mutated by Draxum himself. Or at least that news hadn't really sunk in before now.

Sometimes when we hear something big it doesn't register right away, because your mind is too focused on something else to pay attention to certain information. Or you are too shocked to really process the information.


That sounds like that may have been what happened to the Turtles here, since they were likely just toddlers best when they were first mutated. So they were too young to fully remember what happened. Splinter being a deadbeat dad feels very insulting to the character. But perhaps that is how he is protecting his sons to keep them from asking too many questions about their origin. But now that the cat is out of the bag so to speak, the turtles are going to begin questioning how were they mutated? Why were they mutated? How did they escape Draxum? And the first person they would turn to is dear old dad.

[matteso586]

Good episode. Makes me wish all of them were the full length.

It’s funny that the newest episode of Ducktales did a Ghostbusters bit too.

What a coincidence.

[Vicky82]

Great episode, This is my favourite episode so far.

[Leonardo2003]

At this point i’m almost certain Draxum is a mutated Shredder.

Other than your own instincts, what reason do you have for thinking that?

[Kenwatanabesclone]

Other than your own instincts, what reason do you have for thinking that?

The fact that he’s connected to the turtle’s origin, the fighting, and his spiky appearance. Those along with the fact that it seems like exactly the type of twist this incarnation would pull.

[IndigoErth]

The way Big Mama and the Baron both used the term, it was just as if Yokai was just the term they used for what the Turtles and we have been calling mutants. It didn't sound like they were two separate things.
Well after Draxum talking about mutations and then now talking about turning all the humans into yokai, I wish he (or the show) would make up his mind on what we're calling it. lol Rather than waste a term that could have been better used in another season with a different arc. (Although Big Mama did explain to them that they, as yokai, had been around a long time, rather than being mutants.)

They suspected they were somehow mutated by the substance that Draxum used, they didn't officially know that they were mutated by Draxum himself. Or at least that news hadn't really sunk in before now.
Eh... still no reason they wouldn't suspect he was the one in involved since he's the one they heard it from in the first ep and didn't seem to have any help other than his, uh, shoulder gargoyles.

[victory_angel]

Well after Draxum talking about mutations and then now talking about turning all the humans into yokai, I wish he (or the show) would make up his mind on what we're calling it. lol Rather than waste a term that could have been better used in another season with a different arc. (Although Big Mama did explain to them that they, as yokai, had been around a long time, rather than being mutants.)


Eh... still no reason they wouldn't suspect he was the one in involved since he's the one they heard it from in the first ep and didn't seem to have any help other than his, uh, shoulder gargoyles.

As I said, the impact of that information may not have completely sunk in since they were focused on stopping Draxum and getting Mayhem back. Plus Mikey's comment of them starting out as imitation crab didn't help matters.

The shoulder minions haven't been introduced by name in the show as of what I've seen. But they are known as Huginn (Thought) and Muninn (Memory), the names of the two ravens the Norse God Odin has as pets.

[IndigoErth]

But they are known as Huginn (Thought) and Muninn (Memory), the names of the two ravens the Norse God Odin has as pets.
Didn't know that detail, that's pretty cool.

[Poweranimals]

So continuity wise, this take place before the last few episodes, right?

[Ashwolf]

Well, i definitely appreciate this episode more than the pilot. Certainly better handled on several aspects though theres still more for alot of improvements. Do love the idea of that hypercube-like trap.

[Leonardo2003]

So continuity wise, this take place before the last few episodes, right?

Yeah, we’ve already seen 5 episodes that take place after this one.

[Leonardo2003]

12099

I’m not sure if you guys can read this pic, I’m not good at posting pics from mobile, but apparently all of the mutants shown in that graphic were previous characters. And mikeyandpizza says they’re ALL bad guys, including Leatherhead.

[IndigoErth]

Since Draxum referred to himself as one, I guess it is safe to assume at this point that the mystical underground city is in fact a yokai city? (At that point I'm wishing this was taking place in Japan, not NYC.)

12099

I’m not sure if you guys can read this pic, I’m not good at posting pics from mobile, but apparently all of the mutants shown in that graphic were previous characters. And mikeyandpizza says they’re ALL bad guys, including Leatherhead.
Yeah, it's legible. Very interesting that they're all ones that have a history of some kind. Maybe part of one of the creators saying you never know who will turn up.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

This episode actually wasn't bad. Better than the last half-hour episode and it's up there with Origami Tsunami for me. If only the rest of the series could be like this. Leo showing more of his intelligence and intuition is always a plus. Hopefully when he becomes the leader, he'll be above making fun of Raph. He'll likely be shocked about it rather than do that, though. Nice to also see the Raph vs Leo arguments again after Shell in a Cell.

[80gmrp]

12099

I’m not sure if you guys can read this pic, I’m not good at posting pics from mobile, but apparently all of the mutants shown in that graphic were previous characters. And mikeyandpizza says they’re ALL bad guys, including Leatherhead.

Already addressed this in another thread. Fortunately, mikeyandpizza is NOT an official Tumblr, plus, I just received confirmation that not everything they've said in the past has even been correct.

[Candy Kappa]

A bull mutant dresses as a matador is named Sandstorm? Yeah, looks like half-guessing by the mikeyandpizza tumblr

[Leonardo2003]

Already addressed this in another thread. Fortunately, mikeyandpizza is NOT an official Tumblr, plus, I just received confirmation that not everything they've said in the past has even been correct.

Yes, definitely not official. That's why I posted it in this thread, not the official info thread.

They have an insider source at Nick, but has reported wrong information before.

[IndigoErth]

If the owner of that page has connections to an inside source, that is pretty bold of them to post links to pirated episode videos... :tconfuse:

Some people really want too bad to be/look/sound important and/or privileged to it...

[80gmrp]

If the owner of that page has connections to an inside source, that is pretty bold of them to post links to pirated episode videos... :tconfuse:

As Leatherhead put it in his 2003 debut, “My sentiments exactly.” Sadly, they’re extremely prolific on that site, so it’s easier said than done to try to expose what we do know of the truth, especially since I know enough about Tumblr to know that misinformation easily goes viral there in the first place.

[VaughnMichael]

That was a great episode! One of my favorites so far!
And yeah that wouldn't be Sandstorm it would be more like Groundchuck.

[IndigoErth]

https://i.imgur.com/uYyhaDq.jpg

I'm kind of confused by that character in the image. Agree that what does look like a matador outfit makes it a weird and unlikely fit for a camel. At the same time, if this is a bull... where are the horns? Those should be obvious, no question. At best...I see what looks more like hair or a matador hat? Rather than obvious horns. There are points in it, sure, but it doesn't look right and the point on the right looks like it comes up beside or over his neck, not coming out from the forehead as it aught to. (Even attached to the middle bend, that is still a strange bend and direction for a bull horn...)

Add in the fact that we've already had one guy turn into a bull, and -- though my attempts to get an image for comparison be damned - I'm pretty sure he didn't look like that and more like an obvious bull? I mean if anyone is going to be Groundchuck or a spin off... (Can anyone get a pic of him? I see Nick has the video unlocked but it wants to fight me and just gives me an error and "try again later." :roll:)

I'm probably entirely wrong, but honestly I feel the character in that image looks more horse-like in the face. But not sure that makes sense either...

Apparently, according to Google, bull fighting on horseback is a thing, but not really the image the average person thinks of when picturing a matador. :tconfuse:



edit: UNLESS -- new theory -- the outfit has nothing to do with the character's former life and it relates to some battle nexus thing, playing matador in a fight against the guy from the hotel that was mutated into a bull.

[miru]

“Finally, something happened!”

Nice to see them address what actually is the meat and potatoes of the show’s story, rather than just minor mutant opponents.

[ZariusTwo]

"With my last breath I told you so" got a genuine laugh from me.

[Cowa]

Sooo... I read that this episode is, chronologically speaking, the seventh episode. I'm a bit confused with the air dates, tho. Was any episode aired after Bug Busters?

[Leonardo2003]

Sooo... I read that this episode is, chronologically speaking, the seventh episode. I'm a bit confused with the air dates, tho. Was any episode aired after Bug Busters?

Nothing has aired since Bug Busters. Although before Bug Busters 5 episodes that took place after it aired. Next is 10b Al Be Back, this Saturday.

[IndigoErth]

Nope, nothing this past weekend.

Why does Nick do that, always seeming like when there is a holiday they won't air a new one. They did that with 2012 as well. Yet some of their shows get new ones airing.

[Cowa]

Thank you! Their schedule confuses me so much, I wonder why they do that. Oo One would think that this could affect the ratings.

[IndigoErth]

Right? I'm surprised how quickly it has been relegated to similar scheduling as its predecessor.

[Hero]

Really enjoyed Bug Busters!

I don't get the scheduling either, or the breaks. Why Breaks? There's enough stories to spread out through almost a whole year.