Marvel's Shang-Chi Film in Development

[TurtleTitan97]

EXCLUSIVE: Marvel Studios is fast-tracking Shang-Chi to be its first superhero movie tentpole franchise with an Asian protagonist. The studio has set Chinese-American scribe Dave Callaham to write the screenplay, and Deadline hears Marvel is already looking at a number of Asian and Asian-American directors who want to do something as potentially monumental as was accomplished in Marvel’s first viable Best Picture candidate, Black Panther. That film tied into African and African American cultures and the sensibilities of its nearly all-black cast, with a black director in Ryan Coogler and writer in Joe Robert Cole. The goal here is to do a similar thing: introduce a new hero who blends Asian and Asian American themes, crafted by Asian and Asian American filmmakers.


After Marvel Studios’ unparalleled decade of success following Iron Man, many have wondered how Kevin Feige’s next iterations of superhero franchises will distinguish themselves. Clearly an important theme will be ethnic diversity and inclusion, in front of and behind the camera.

Callaham has strong credentials in the superhero and franchise-building realms and his own experiences as a Chinese-American will inform the Shang-Chi movie mythology, sources said. His recent work includes co-writing with Patty Jenkins and Geoff Johns the upcoming DC Warner Bros sequel Wonder Woman 1984, and he is writing Sony’s animated Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse 2. He also wrote initial drafts of Zombieland 2, which begins production in January, and created and produced Amazon’s recent action comedy series Jean-Claude Van Johnson, starring Jean- Claude Van Damme. Callaham also created the Expendables franchise as well as the story for the Legendary’s Godzilla reboot.
He’s got two comedies at Netflix: Callaham wrote the Black List-ed dark comedy caper script Jackpot, which Will Gluck will direct; and he wrote and is producing with Channing Tatum, Phil Lord & Christopher Miller, and Archer’s Adam Reid and Matt Thompson, the animated comedy America: The Motion Picture. Thompson is directing.
Shang-Chi first appeared in Special Marvel Edition #15 in December 1973, hatched by Steve Englehart and Jim Starlin. The script will modernize the hero to avoid stereotypes that many comic characters of that era were saddled with. The comic launched around the time that Enter the Dragon became a global sensation and martial arts films raged. In the comics, Shang-Chi is the son of China-based globalist who raised and educated his progeny in his reclusive China compound, closed off to the outside world. The son trained in the martial arts and developed unsurpassed skills. He is eventually introduced to the outside world to do his father’s bidding, and then has to come to grips with the fact his revered father might not be the humanitarian he has claimed to be and is closer to what others call him: The Devil’s Doctor. He also might be centuries old. The deceit makes them bitter enemies.
Marvel Studios has worked with a stable of talented filmmakers from diverse backgrounds including Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck, directing next year’s Captain Marvel with Brie Larson; Coogler, directing the Black Panther sequel; Taika Waititi, who directed Thor: Ragnarok; Chloé Zhao, who will direct The Eternals; and Cate Shortland, who will direct a stand-alone film for Marvel staple Black Widow starring Scarlett Johansson.




Callaham is represented by UTA, Kaplan Perrone Entertainment, and Gretchen Rush & Dan Fox at Hanson, Jacobson.

https://deadline.com/2018/12/shang-chi-marvel-studios-first-asian-film-superhero-dave-callaham-kevin-feige-black-panther-1202512660/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://deadline.com/2018/12/shang-chi-marvel-studios-first-asian-film-superhero-dave-callaham-kevin-feige-black-panther-1202512660/

Never heard of him.

[Andrew NDB]

Sounds like a very "important" movie.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://i.imgur.com/W8pXNUl.gif

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Sounds like a very "important" movie.

Yeah, no kidding. Is he tied to Iron Fist? I thought I saw him mentioned in an Iron Fist discussion somewhere, back during the "OMG Netflix is canceling everything Marvel!" stuff.

[neatoman]

... Uh yeah, Shang-Chi...

To be fair, he did have an ongoing series that ran for 125 issues over 30 years ago. I've never read it or the 14 total issues he had since and i doubt I ever will, but at least he has something?

It does feel really weird that they're picking this character. I knew they were kind of reaching the middle of the character barrel when they started making movies about Doctor Strange and Ant-Man, but that's no excuse to shove the hand straight to the bottom.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Never heard of him.

Same here.

[Andrew NDB]

... Uh yeah, Shang-Chi...

To be fair, he did have an ongoing series that ran for 125 issues over 30 years ago. I've never read it or the 14 total issues he had since and i doubt I ever will, but at least he has something?

It does feel really weird that they're picking this character. I knew they were kind of reaching the middle of the character barrel when they started making movies about Doctor Strange and Ant-Man, but that's no excuse to shove the hand straight to the bottom.

I seriously doubt this is anyone's passion project. This is Disney scratching off the "We have an Asian-led MCU movie" box so they can't get flak for not having one later. The major and recent (domestic) success of "Crazy Rich Asians" is probably no coincidence either.

[Sumac]

Who is this Shang Tsung?
Never heard of him.

[Leo656]

Who is this Shang Tsung?
Never heard of him.

Nice. Nice. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AcademicRightKitfox-size_restricted.gif

[ZariusTwo]

Last I heard of him, it was a one-shot written by CM Punk

..Wait, who?:lol:

[Leo656]

Ahhh yeah, I forgot he did that.

Which reminds me of the time Raven wrote a Spider-Man comic.

Any more of those things happen? You'd know better than I, ZarBro.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I seriously doubt this is anyone's passion project. This is Disney scratching off the "We have an Asian-led MCU movie" box so they can't get flak for not having one later. The major and recent (domestic) success of "Crazy Rich Asians" is probably no coincidence either.

Yup. Apparently nobody wanted to watch... oh, geez, I can't even remember his name. Benedict Wong in Doctor Strange, that dude. Nobody wanted to watch a spin-off movie starring him.

[Prowler]

Who is this Shang Tsung?
Never heard of him.

The guy from Mortal Kombat who can transform into every other character. It's interesting how he was the final boss of the very first MK game but since then became a sub-boss or just a regular character.

****ing Motaro in MK3 made Shang Tsung from MK1 look like peanuts in comparison. I've never gotten past Motaro.

[Leo656]

Lookit you not getting the joke. :lol:

It's okay, it was very dry. I enjoyed it, though.

[Prowler]

Lookit you not getting the joke. :lol:

It's okay, it was very dry. I enjoyed it, though.

I did get it, but I know jack about this Shang-Chi fella but know quite somethings about Mortal Kombat, so I felt like saying smth about it.

[Leo656]

Ooooooooooooh. :|

Well I'll just take my sass-mouth and f*cking LEAVE, then.

[Prowler]

Ooooooooooooh. :|

Well I'll just take my sass-mouth and f*cking LEAVE, then.

Have you ever beaten Motaro in MK3/UMK3? I know you're good at MK.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Ooooooooooooh. :|

Well I'll just take my sass-mouth and f*cking LEAVE, then.

And make everybody happy? Don't you fvcking dare. :trazz:

[Leo656]

And make everybody happy? Don't you fvcking dare. :trazz:

Fine, you twisted my arm. Make sure it's the left one; I don't work Lucha, bitch. :trazz:

Have you ever beaten Motaro in MK3/UMK3? I know you're good at MK.

WOOOOOAHHH, slow your roll, tiger. I have NEVER claimed to be good at ANY fighting game! :lol: I play 'em sometimes, I can beat the CPU most times, but that in no way means I'm any good. Your Mom could probably beat me, at least half the time. Just being honest.

I know for a fact I never played MK3 long enough to get that far, though. I mostly skipped 3 and 4. I played 'em, but only for a few minutes apiece.

I'm most familiar with I, II, Deadly Alliance and everything after. My wife's played the most recent two far more than I have. Because I'm not "allowed" to play them until she's done with it. :lol:

[Prowler]

II could be hard af as well. The cheap AI. Also, why is Baraka ALWAYS the first opponent I face in that game? :lol:

[turtle1237]

The guy from Mortal Kombat who can transform into every other character. It's interesting how he was the final boss of the very first MK game but since then became a sub-boss or just a regular character.

****ing Motaro in MK3 made Shang Tsung from MK1 look like peanuts in comparison. I've never gotten past Motaro.

Well, the way I did it was cheap. I duck down around the middle of the screen, and time my uppercuts when he comes in close or does his flying jump move. The only thing you should watch out for is his tail trip or throw. Its cheap, but it works.

[ProactiveMan]

D'you know where they make a lot of 'superhero movie tentpole franchises with an Asian protagonists'? Asia.

Come to think of it, Mortal Kombat was/is a 'superhero movie tentpole franchise with an Asian protagonist.' Huh!? Wasn't that over 20 years ago? Disney wouldn't overstate the significance of a project just to sell it to a demographic that wouldn't otherwise give a poop about kung fu movies would they?

[Andrew NDB]

This is probably some kind of vague apology letter for the mentor in Doctor Strange and all the nonsense flak they got for having the evil Japanese ninja clan in Daredevil season 1 and 2 all being Japanese. SJWs are the worst.

So they don't have to hear anything about this ever again. Whether it loses money or breaks sub-Ant-Man numbers, it's probably worth it to them for the insulation for when the next "why are these Asians being evil?" in the next Hand or whatever thing. They can point to this.

[Sumac]

I did get it, but I know jack about this Shang-Chi fella but know quite somethings about Mortal Kombat, so I felt like saying smth about it.
Psst, I maintain my own Russian MK Wikia (https://mortalkombat.fandom.com/ru/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D 1%8F_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0 %B0) since 2010.
Just don't tell anyone. :D

****ing Motaro in MK3 made Shang Tsung from MK1 look like peanuts in comparison. I've never gotten past Motaro.
Just combo him. His AI eventually will stop blocking.
Of course, it depends on the game you are talking about.In console version Motaro doesn't block much. In arcade version and Trilogy - he is a block whore.

Come to think of it, Mortal Kombat was/is a 'superhero movie tentpole franchise with an Asian protagonist.'
Mortal Kombat was a cultural phenomenon, but by the end of the 90-s it ended up in a sharp decline - MK4 was a disappointment, especially compared to its rivals, like Tekken and DOA and MK Annihilation was such enormous disaster, that it had killed MK movies for good.

Since than it was mostly relevant only as a video game and due to the story, since Deadly Alliance, Liu Kang was no longer main character and has ended up being sidelined by other heroes.
So, since 2002 MK was no longer a franchise with Asian character as a lead / main protagonist.

[Andrew NDB]

Mortal Kombat was a cultural phenomenon, but by the end of the 90-s it ended up in a sharp decline - MK4 was a disappointment, especially compared to its rivals, like Tekken and DOA and MK Annihilation was such enormous disaster, that it had killed MK movies for good.

What was wrong with MK4? If anything, I remember people being disappointed that the characters weren't photo-real anymore (something that made MK1-3 unique)... but the 3D combat was a nice evolution. So ridiculous that they stripped away the 3D gameplay and regressed things down to 2D after Armageddon. I think as things got into "Deception" and all that, it just got a little bit too much, I think. So many movesets, so much to keep track of. Plus by that point we'd all played enough MK that it didn't really seem that fresh anymore.

And the MK movies were never good. Movies about games that revolve around gruesome ways to murder your opponent -- Fatalities -- and they're all rated PG-13? How ridiculous. Why even make the movies, then?

[Sumac]

What was wrong with MK4? If anything, I remember people being disappointed that the characters weren't photo-real anymore (something that made MK1-3 unique)... but the 3D combat was a nice evolution. So ridiculous that they stripped away the 3D gameplay and regressed things down to 2D after Armageddon. I think as things got into "Deception" and all that, it just got a little bit too much, I think. So many movesets, so much to keep track of. Plus by that point we'd all played enough MK that it didn't really seem that fresh anymore.
1) There was almost NO 3D gameplay in MK4.
The only 3D elements of the gameplay were sidesteps, which could be largely ignored and special throws, where cameras was flying around. The core of the MK4 gameplay was 2D and basically the same as in UMK3, just worse, because, developers had removed individual combos.

They had attempted to create system where people could create their own combos, but it only made apparent one BIG problem with MK original gameplay - all characters in the game (sans bosses) had the same gameplay. Unlike other fighting games, in MK characters hadn't major differences in height, speed and play styles (old MKs didn't had grapplers for example).

Individual combos, introduced in MK3 made this problem a little less glaring, but when they have been removed in MK4, it made apparent that the core gameplay of MK is VERY shallow, compared to pretty much every other fighting game on the market and that it was not evolving much.

As such, MK4 (deservedly) went down as one of the worst games in the series (bar Mythologies, Special Forces and MK Advance) and it was outclassed by pretty much every other fighting game at the market, in terms of variety, replayability and fun.

2) MK Armageddon was ****. In the bad way.
Fighting styles system introduced in Deadly Alliance was not perfect, but was step into the right direction to add individuality to the characters. Deception started stripping those individual elements by shortening movesets and given characters universal moves like in old MKs. MKA had completely **** all over styles by even more shortening movesets, randomly assigning styles to random characters and making styles generally look and feel the same, ironically making MKA as close to the 2D games as possible. Which was not good.

3) Returning MK games back to 2D was a right decision. MKDA-MKA gameplay were interesting experiments, but they had never worked properly and degraded with each subsequent game.
In case of MK - 3D was not an evolution, but more a detour, to jump on the bandwagon of the likes of Tekken. It had failed for many reasons.
MK9 and MKX finally gave MK what it had deserved - each character had their own unique fighting style, with their own quirks and gameplay overall was properly balanced, fun and didn't had things, which existed for purely existing, like weapons in MK4 or Areal Kombat in MKA.
2D or 3D it doesn't really matter, what matters is individuality of the characters and quality of the gameplay and both latest games had delivered these in spades.

And the MK movies were never good. Movies about games that revolve around gruesome ways to murder your opponent -- Fatalities -- and they're all rated PG-13? How ridiculous. Why even make the movies, then?
First MK movie was fairly good for its time.
And lack of gore was not really that noticeable. And it was compensated by having fun characters and cool fights.

[Andrew NDB]

1) There was almost NO 3D gameplay in MK4.

You can sidestep in MK4. Which is huge. If the only way to avoid a punch in a fighting game is to go backwards or crouch or jump, you're playing a game that's still living in 1992.

Deception started stripping those individual elements by shortening movesets and given characters universal moves like in old MKs.

What do you mean? In Deception I remember you could tap the trigger buttons and literally toggle through whole different movesets for each character, including one with a melee weapon. Way too much to ever be able to memorize.

Where do you come down on MK vs. DC Universe? Obviously it's tame with gore and all that, but I found the MK side of that really fluid. And it still retained 3D gameplay (I believe it's the last MK game to have it).

[TurtleTitan97]

You leave a thread alone for two days, and when you come back you find its become a Mortal Kombat discussion. :lol:

A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

[ProactiveMan]

I really liked Morktal Kombat 4. It looks pretty ugly, but I find it less cheep than MK2, and more playable than MK3 which was frenetic to the point of absurdity. More importantly, they tried to make the fatalities cool again. MK3, UMK3, and MK Trilogy were very, very silly.

In fact, I remember after you did a torso rip Fatality in MKT, the lower portion of the other character's arms were still floating awkwardly beside their legs. Almost 70% of the Fatalities were body explosions, which gets pretty repetitive, especially since the CPU would do Brutalities at every opportunity. When you finally exploded after listening to 'ahh oo ahh ee ahh ooo' for way-too-long, there would be three pelvises and multiple rib cages lying on the ground. Silly!

[Sumac]

You can sidestep in MK4. Which is huge. If the only way to avoid a punch in a fighting game is to go backwards or crouch or jump, you're playing a game that's still living in 1992.
You could move in 3D since Virtua Fighter, which was released in 1993. And before that you could dodge enemy attacks by side-stepping them in some 2D fighting games like Fatal Fury.

So ability to just sidestep in MK4 in 1997, when you had complete 3D movement in Soul Blade, Tekken, Virtua Fighter and Dead or Alive was absolutely non-event.

Besides, those sidesteps were badly realized and like weapons in this game were just additional gimmick, added to the outdated gameplay formula.

And as I said time and time again, 2D fighting games is no worse than 3D ones. They are different and it doesn't make them worse or outdated. By this logic any 2D platformer is outdated which is ********.

What do you mean? In Deception I remember you could tap the trigger buttons and literally toggle through whole different movesets for each character, including one with a melee weapon. Way too much to ever be able to memorize.
MKDA had even bigger movesets and they were actually better realized.

Where do you come down on MK vs. DC Universe? Obviously it's tame with gore and all that, but I found the MK side of that really fluid. And it still retained 3D gameplay (I believe it's the last MK game to have it).
I didn't play MKvsDC universe.

I really liked Morktal Kombat 4. It looks pretty ugly, but I find it less cheep than MK2, and more playable than MK3 which was frenetic to the point of absurdity. More importantly, they tried to make the fatalities cool again. MK3, UMK3, and MK Trilogy were very, very silly.
MK4 was equally frenetic, just much worse when it came to the general gameplay.
Fatalities, atmosphere and music were the only highlights of the game.

[ProactiveMan]

I also liked MK4 because there was no Kabal and his bull***t-ass spin attacks. Screw that guy.

[Prowler]

Psst, I maintain my own Russian MK Wikia (https://mortalkombat.fandom.com/ru/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D 1%8F_%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0 %B0) since 2010.
Just don't tell anyone. :D


Just combo him. His AI eventually will stop blocking.
Of course, it depends on the game you are talking about.In console version Motaro doesn't block much. In arcade version and Trilogy - he is a block whore.


Mortal Kombat was a cultural phenomenon, but by the end of the 90-s it ended up in a sharp decline - MK4 was a disappointment, especially compared to its rivals, like Tekken and DOA and MK Annihilation was such enormous disaster, that it had killed MK movies for good.

Since than it was mostly relevant only as a video game and due to the story, since Deadly Alliance, Liu Kang was no longer main character and has ended up being sidelined by other heroes.
So, since 2002 MK was no longer a franchise with Asian character as a lead / main protagonist.

Scorpion and Sub-Zero are both Asian, though. Scorpion is Japanese and Sub-Zero is Chinese. People might not notice because they wear masks and your average joe does not know their real names. But you see Scorpion unmasked in MK X and get to know his real name is Hanzo.

[Coola Yagami]

Going back on topic, I wouldn't mind a modern day martial arts film. As long as the character is likeable and the movie has sweet kung fu action, I'd be happy. After GotG and Ant Man, Marvel can even make this guy look good.

[Andrew NDB]

But you see Scorpion unmasked in MK X and get to know his real name is Hanzo.

Didn't we get to meet him in the Mortal Kombat comic from like 25 years ago?

[Sumac]

Scorpion and Sub-Zero are both Asian, though. Scorpion is Japanese and Sub-Zero is Chinese. People might not notice because they wear masks and your average joe does not know their real names. But you see Scorpion unmasked in MK X and get to know his real name is Hanzo.
Neither is protagonist though.
Scorp and Sub are like Ryu and Ken - they usually have very little to do with main story, but they are faces of their series.

Didn't we get to meet him in the Mortal Kombat comic from like 25 years ago?
His real name and real face have been revealed in his ending in MK1.
In MK comic he was already ninja specter and didn't play important role.

[Leo656]

I don't think any of the comics are canon, anyway. Same with Street Fighter. There's been too many and they all contradict each other, and the games, to a serious degree.

The best was the original Street Fighter II comic, which was so bad Capcom pulled the plug after like three issues, and issued a statement within the pages of the book itself, essentially saying "Sorry this was crappy." :lol: I wanna say it was by Malibu, but I could be wrong.

[Coola Yagami]

I don't think any of the comics are canon, anyway. Same with Street Fighter. There's been too many and they all contradict each other, and the games, to a serious degree.

The best was the original Street Fighter II comic, which was so bad Capcom pulled the plug after like three issues, and issued a statement within the pages of the book itself, essentially saying "Sorry this was crappy." :lol: I wanna say it was by Malibu, but I could be wrong.

Nope, it was indeed from Malibu and I still own all three issues.

https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/2018/11/by-mark-rodriguez-before-udon-started.html
https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/2018/11/malibu-comics-street-fighter-issue-2.html
https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/2018/11/malibu-comics-street-fighter-issue-3.html

Aside from the apology, the third wasted time having Honda fight one of their original characters, that looked like a more feral Aquaman. And they gave a brief summary of what some of the character storylines would have been had the story continued.

As a kid I thought they were awesome because OMG the violence, OMG the blood, and their promised 'ultraviolence so intense one of the characters might not survive!!!!'. I bought the first 2 issues day of release, but didn't find issue 3 til years later at a con.

[Sumac]

I don't think any of the comics are canon, anyway. Same with Street Fighter. There's been too many and they all contradict each other, and the games, to a serious degree.

The best was the original Street Fighter II comic, which was so bad Capcom pulled the plug after like three issues, and issued a statement within the pages of the book itself, essentially saying "Sorry this was crappy." :lol: I wanna say it was by Malibu, but I could be wrong.
No, first two "Official" comic books were canon and have been written (and drawn) by one of the game creators. They are even referenced in MK9.

Malibu series is non-canon, of course.

[Prowler]

Didn't we get to meet him in the Mortal Kombat comic from like 25 years ago?
No idea. I haven't read any MK comics in my life. Are those canon, though?

Neither is protagonist though.
Scorp and Sub are like Ryu and Ken - they usually have very little to do with main story, but they are faces of their series.


His real name and real face have been revealed in his ending in MK1.
In MK comic he was already ninja specter and didn't play important role.
Ryu is definitely the protagonist of SF, though. And Ken is his best friend. Chun-Li would be the female protagonist.
An interesting case is that, Guile, is like the 3rd most iconic male fighter in the series but his role is not very big. Not to mention he skipped several games of the franchise. And he's only there because Charlie Nash went missing and someone had to go search for him. But who cares about SF's "story", anyway? It's hardly consistent and the main focus of the game is the gameplay.

And even if Scorpion and Sub-Zero aren't the protagonists of MK, they're definitely the faces and the most recognisable characters, so they might as well be protagonists.

One thing people forget is that Johnny Cage is technically the closest character to being a protagonist after Liu Kang.

I don't think any of the comics are canon, anyway. Same with Street Fighter. There's been too many and they all contradict each other, and the games, to a serious degree.

The best was the original Street Fighter II comic, which was so bad Capcom pulled the plug after like three issues, and issued a statement within the pages of the book itself, essentially saying "Sorry this was crappy." :lol: I wanna say it was by Malibu, but I could be wrong.
The only Street Fighter related thing I've truly enjoyed that wasn't video game related was the Street Fighter II animated movie. That movie is great, seriously. I know you've watched it as did other people here, but I can't stress it enough.

[Sumac]

No idea. I haven't read any MK comics in my life. Are those canon, though?
Official MK1, Official MK2, MK4 (which came with PC port), MKD and MKX comic books that have been made with participation from Midway / NRS are canon.

Ryu is definitely the protagonist of SF, though. And Ken is his best friend. Chun-Li would be the female protagonist.
An interesting case is that, Guile, is like the 3rd most iconic male fighter in the series but his role is not very big. Not to mention he skipped several games of the franchise. And he's only there because Charlie Nash went missing and someone had to go search for him. But who cares about SF's "story", anyway? It's hardly consistent and the main focus of the game is the gameplay.

And even if Scorpion and Sub-Zero aren't the protagonists of MK, they're definitely the faces and the most recognisable characters, so they might as well be protagonists.

One thing people forget is that Johnny Cage is technically the closest character to being a protagonist after Liu Kang.
There is a difference between the most popular character / face of the series and protagonist, i.e. the main character in the story. One thing is not like the other and they shouldn't be confused.

And Ryu is not protagonist of the Street Fighter story. Most of the time he is barely a side character.
The only time where he was main protagonist was back in Street Fighter 1. In SFV he was one of the main characters, though, but in general this story was more about Chun Li and Guile rather than Ryu.

Liu Kang was nominal protagonist only in the first four MK games, though, barely anyone cared about him. Than it, arguably was Kung Lao in MKDA, Shujinko in MKD and Taven in MKA.

Johnny Cage was not a protagonist up until MK Armageddon. Up until that point he was a joke character whose sole accomplishment was that he had died twice.

In MKA he was leader of the good guys, since Raiden went crazy and Liu was dead. In MK9 he was one of the main characters, though Raiden was the protagonist in that game and in MKX, Kombat Kids shared the spot as the main characters.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://whatculture.com/comics/shang-chi-10-things-you-need-to-know

Damn, I'm less excited for Shang-Chi now that I know more about him! :tlol: What's the point of this character? Generic Asian martial artist. Pffft. Seems like a blatant Jackie Chan ripoff, but what do I know...

[Leo656]

Nope, it was indeed from Malibu and I still own all three issues.

https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/2018/11/by-mark-rodriguez-before-udon-started.html
https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/2018/11/malibu-comics-street-fighter-issue-2.html
https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/2018/11/malibu-comics-street-fighter-issue-3.html

Aside from the apology, the third wasted time having Honda fight one of their original characters, that looked like a more feral Aquaman. And they gave a brief summary of what some of the character storylines would have been had the story continued.

As a kid I thought they were awesome because OMG the violence, OMG the blood, and their promised 'ultraviolence so intense one of the characters might not survive!!!!'. I bought the first 2 issues day of release, but didn't find issue 3 til years later at a con.

That's the issue where Ryu gets Ken's scalp sent in the mail, right? :lol: I think my wife has all of those.

I love the SFII animated movie. All I ever remember is that one scene with Chun-Li, though. :lol: I know y'all know. :trazz:

[Coola Yagami]

That's the issue where Ryu gets Ken's scalp sent in the mail, right? :lol: I think my wife has all of those.

I love the SFII animated movie. All I ever remember is that one scene with Chun-Li, though. :lol: I know y'all know. :trazz:

Yep, at the time i was like HOLY CRAP, THEY KILLED KEN?!'.

Yeah, we allll know the Chun Li scene.

[Andrew NDB]

Get director:

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/shang-chi-director-destin-daniel-cretton-marvel-asian-superhero-1203162631/

[Prowler]

Official MK1, Official MK2, MK4 (which came with PC port), MKD and MKX comic books that have been made with participation from Midway / NRS are canon.


There is a difference between the most popular character / face of the series and protagonist, i.e. the main character in the story. One thing is not like the other and they shouldn't be confused.

And Ryu is not protagonist of the Street Fighter story. Most of the time he is barely a side character.
The only time where he was main protagonist was back in Street Fighter 1. In SFV he was one of the main characters, though, but in general this story was more about Chun Li and Guile rather than Ryu.

Liu Kang was nominal protagonist only in the first four MK games, though, barely anyone cared about him. Than it, arguably was Kung Lao in MKDA, Shujinko in MKD and Taven in MKA.

Johnny Cage was not a protagonist up until MK Armageddon. Up until that point he was a joke character whose sole accomplishment was that he had died twice.

In MKA he was leader of the good guys, since Raiden went crazy and Liu was dead. In MK9 he was one of the main characters, though Raiden was the protagonist in that game and in MKX, Kombat Kids shared the spot as the main characters.
Afaik, it's not very clear who won the SFII tournament, but fans claim it's either Ken or Cammy. Sadly, the English translation messed up Cammy's ending. In the Japanese version, Bison revelas she was his clone or whatever, but in the English translation he reveals they were both lovers... wat :lol:

Well, I personally didn't like Liu Kang much in the original MK games. His voice was annoying as hell, especially in MK3/UMK3 and Trilogy. Like, holy hell. Those screams. Was that supposed to be funny?! Scorpion and Sub-Zero were the characters me and most other kids liked.

I see. I completely skipped the middle MK games. I played up until UMK3 and Trilogy and then jumped to MK9, which is basically a sort of remake of the story of the first 3 MK games. I remember reading about the key aspects of the plot in the instruction manual of UMK3 back in the day, so it was pretty cool watching it in cutscene form on MK9. Not to mention the game had retained the simple gameplay from the original ones but also felt more refined and naturally had better graphics. I think MK9 is the best of the "classic" gameplay style MK games. It really did a good job on that front.

Yep, at the time i was like HOLY CRAP, THEY KILLED KEN?!'.

Yeah, we allll know the Chun Li scene.
Yeah, but I honestly don't care much for it. There's better... Chun-Li "content" out there ;)

It's a really great movie. Really captures the spirit of the game and portrays the characters very well. And M. Bison s treated like a serious threat. Shame Akuma only had a 2 second cameo that you're bound to miss on your first time watching it if you grab a glass of water or something when it happens.

[snake]

Marvel is probably kicking themselves so hard that they blew their load on Iron Fist because now they can’t make a solo film on him or else they’d have to acknowledge the TV show as noncanon.

So what do they do? Pull out f*cking Shang-Chi. Gotta get those asian markets, I guess.

[Andrew NDB]

Marvel is probably kicking themselves so hard that they blew their load on Iron Fist because now they can’t make a solo film on him or else they’d have to acknowledge the TV show as noncanon.

I doubt it. As much crap as Netflix got for "white-washing" Iron Fist or how it's an example of a "white savior," I doubt they'd want to touch it on the big screen. Unless they were to just literally make Iron Fist Asian, which is what all the SJWs wanted... but that defeats the whole purpose of the character.

[snake]

I feel like it’d be handled better on the big screen. The only ones paying attention to Iron Fist were weird, internet people. The only ones who care about social justice issues are also weird, internet people. Your average normie isn’t going to give two sh*ts what the weird, internet people are saying. Case in-point: Captain Marvel is succeeding despite weird, internet people fighting over it.

The only example that’s actually carried over to real life is the new Star Wars movies. Nobody likes that garbage.

[Sumac]

Afaik, it's not very clear who won the SFII tournament, but fans claim it's either Ken or Cammy. Sadly, the English translation messed up Cammy's ending. In the Japanese version, Bison revelas she was his clone or whatever, but in the English translation he reveals they were both lovers... wat :lol:
Guile had won Street Fighter 2 tournament.

Well, I personally didn't like Liu Kang much in the original MK games. His voice was annoying as hell, especially in MK3/UMK3 and Trilogy. Like, holy hell. Those screams. Was that supposed to be funny?! Scorpion and Sub-Zero were the characters me and most other kids liked.
His voice is supposed to be homage to the Bruce Lee. His whole character, from appearance to the fighting style and mannerism in later games, based on Bruce Lee.

[Xav]

Sadly, the English translation messed up Cammy's ending. In the Japanese version, Bison revelas she was his clone or whatever, but in the English translation he reveals they were both lovers... wat :lol:
Actually the original Japanese version apparently just said she was his spy. The clone thing was a retcon in later releases.

[Prowler]

Actually the original Japanese version apparently just said she was his spy. The clone thing was a retcon in later releases.

Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info/correction.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Well, this would be ONE way to make me give a fvck about this movie.

https://screenrant.com/shang-chi-father-villain-real-mandarin/

Probably too good to be true, though...

[sdp]

They've done magic so the Real Mandarin isn't that far off, but I guess why bother if Iron Man is no longer alive and also another villain that uses gems in his fingers will get people to roll their eyes.

I wonder if that actor from the Chinese extended version of Iron Man 3 will be in this. Talking of which, did that version of the movie ever come out in English? If not does that mean that China actually has an extended cut of the movie that we don't? :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

They've done magic so the Real Mandarin isn't that far off, but I guess why bother if Iron Man is no longer alive and also another villain that uses gems in his fingers will get people to roll their eyes.

I wonder if that actor from the Chinese extended version of Iron Man 3 will be in this. Talking of which, did that version of the movie ever come out in English? If not does that mean that China actually has an extended cut of the movie that we don't? :lol:

Yeah, good point... oho, more magical finger jewelry! Will he snap his fingers? Oh noes! :tlol:

22 movies in, Iron Man 3 is still dragging along at the bottom of the list for me. Fvcking Iron Man 3. :tgrumble:

[Andrew NDB]

In an interview with THR, the film’s director Destin Daniel Cretton was asked why he chose to do the project to which he said it was about having a superhero with an Asian face on screen:

“I grew up without a superhero to look up to. I gravitated to Spider-Man when I was a kid, primarily because he had a mask covering his face and I could imagine myself under that mask. I would love to give my son a superhero to look up to. I feel very privileged to be a part of telling that story.”

http://www.darkhorizons.com/brief-shang-chi-thor-filming-updates/

[neatoman]

Anybody else heard the rumour that Spiral and Omega Red are in this movie?

[Coola Yagami]

In an interview with THR, the film’s director Destin Daniel Cretton was asked why he chose to do the project to which he said it was about having a superhero with an Asian face on screen:

“I grew up without a superhero to look up to. I gravitated to Spider-Man when I was a kid, primarily because he had a mask covering his face and I could imagine myself under that mask. I would love to give my son a superhero to look up to. I feel very privileged to be a part of telling that story.”

http://www.darkhorizons.com/brief-shang-chi-thor-filming-updates/

He's an idiot.

I also wonder if it some odd form of racism as well, oh I can't look up to a character that isn't the same race as me. Or at least some form of entitlement.

As a Hispanic dude I never once felt I couldn't look up to and try to go by the morals and values of Spider-Man, Batman and Captain America because oh noes they aren't Hispanic. I never once thought well I guess comics just aren't for me cause there aren't any Hispanic superheroes.

And this from someone that went to a school that was half Hispanic and half black. Most of us liked Batman or Wolverine and we didn't let race get in the way of it.

[Sumac]

As a Hispanic dude I never once felt I couldn't look up to and try to go by the morals and values of Spider-Man, Batman and Captain America because oh noes they aren't Hispanic. I never once thought well I guess comics just aren't for me cause there aren't any Hispanic superheroes.
Because, you are a normal functioning human being.

Those people are not - they hate themselves (or think that others are hated) and the only way they can get their fix to it, is a validation through the self-inserts in fictional stories or headpats in social networks for being "oppressed".

Their self-worth is so fragile, that it needs to be fed upon some external source. It's the same type of people who use medical diagnosis to build their whole personality and self-worth upon.

They are pathetic, really.

[Andrew NDB]

As a Hispanic dude I never once felt I couldn't look up to and try to go by the morals and values of Spider-Man, Batman and Captain America because oh noes they aren't Hispanic.

Same as me. In fact, when things like DC changing Kyle Rayner to be Hispanic... that didn't placate me in the slightest, that annoyed me.

[ProphetofGanja]

is there anyone else who’s just excited about a cool Marvel kung-fu movie

[Andrew NDB]

is there anyone else who’s just excited about a cool Marvel kung-fu movie

Not really. But it might be a case of... we don't know what we want until they show it to us.

Maybe.

[ProphetofGanja]

Well, as a big fan of old school kung-fu movies, and most of the Marvel flicks, I think I'll like this one. But we'll see how long it's pushed back due to coronavirus.

[AquaParade]

I want it to be more "kung-fu" than Dr. Strange was psychedelic.

Everyone talked about how trippy Dr. Strange was, but to me, it just had the trappings of a psychedelic movie. Nothing was really mind-bending about it.

I want to see Marvel surprise us with practical fights that blow our mind.

[TurtleTitan97]

I want it to be more "kung-fu" than Dr. Strange was psychedelic.

Everyone talked about how trippy Dr. Strange was, but to me, it just had the trappings of a psychedelic movie. Nothing was really mind-bending about it.

I want to see Marvel surprise us with practical fights that blow our mind.

You and me both.

[ZariusTwo]

Another MCU movie is in the can. Shang Chi wraps filming

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/shang-chi/shang-chi-and-the-legend-of-the-ten-rings-has-officially-wrapped-filming-a179514#gs.j061a0

[Autbot_Benz]

https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/black-widow-release-date-theaters-may-june/

Shang-Chi and The Legend of the Ten Rings has also been delayed to September 3.

[Autbot_Benz]

giWIr7U1deA

[AquaParade]

I like what I see. Who is the badass ninja villain? He's about to be my favorite MCU villain based on looks alone.

I really think the MCU is just ramping up now that Kevin Feige has the shackles off. It's always been more than the sum of it's parts, so if they can get those parts firing on all cylinders, we are going to be in for a hell of a treat. I'm already liking the direction the franchise is going with the Disney+ shows.

[Sumac]

Ten Rings?
Mandarin in this movie?

[Autbot_Benz]

Ten Rings?
Mandarin in this movie?

yes to both. the real mandarin not whatever Iron Man 3 was doing

[Sumac]

yes to both. the real mandarin not whatever Iron Man 3 was doing
Figures. :lol:
Wonder how he gonna look and what powerset he'll get.

[Autbot_Benz]

Figures. :lol:
Wonder how he gonna look and what powerset he'll get.

this is the Mandarin

https://i.imgur.com/0PqZGpL.jpg

[CyberCubed]

Is that Jackie Chan's cousin? All these Asian actors look alike to me, he looks so similar I can't tell the difference besides the hair wig.

[IMJ]

As a Hispanic dude I never once felt I couldn't look up to and try to go by the morals and values of Spider-Man, Batman and Captain America because oh noes they aren't Hispanic. I never once thought well I guess comics just aren't for me cause there aren't any Hispanic superheroes.

Same as me. In fact, when things like DC changing Kyle Rayner to be Hispanic... that didn't placate me in the slightest, that annoyed me.

I can't tell you how much respect I have for these posts. Everything that has been going on - race swapping, gender swapping, etc. It isn't about inclusion. That's a lie. It's about people punishing whatever is "traditional" or considered to be pillars of "white culture" and doing what they can to harm and delete it. That isn't inclusion - it's invasion and destruction.

What you guys said there? See that is about inclusion. You know what else is about inclusion? Creating cool hispanic characters that can be integrated within these existing franchises to co-exist as archetypes alongside each other.

But making that point doesn't matter because like I said, the "other" people out there tearing these things down can't be taught because it's not inclusion that they care about in the first place. It's tearing down any aspects of white society and putting markers on those aspects as if they are "evil" when in fact most of them are not.

Is that Jackie Chan's cousin? All these Asian actors look alike to me, he looks so similar I can't tell the difference besides the hair wig.

facepalms

this is the Mandarin

https://i.imgur.com/0PqZGpL.jpg

Who should've been the key player in Iron Man 3. Honestly, truly and directly because of Iron Man 3, I have absolute apathy towards this film. Especially because of the lies and manipulation for why they didn't use the Mandarin in that movie, but now here he is - a racist, kung-fu caricature in a caricature of a Kung-Fu flick.

[Andrew NDB]

The #1 post/comment I'm seeing over and over again on FB today?

"lol!!! This guy could totally kick MCU Iron Fist's ass!!"

As if that should be a point of contention. But these are the same people who were upset that Netflix didn't cast someone Asian for Iron Fist years ago.

[neatoman]

I'm guessing they chose to merge the Mandarin with Zheng Zu simply as an apology for the Trevor controversy? The only other reason I can think of is that it is for the sake of simplicity, why have to chinese wizards when you can have one?

Let's see here, what else have they merged together like this:

Hela/Angela
Ego/J'Son
The Infinity Gems/Eye of Agamotto/Cosmic Cube/Solar Gem
Iron Patriot/War Machine
Bucky/White Wolf
Jarvis/Vision
Thanos/Mistress Death
Whiplash/Crimson Dynamo
Ned/Ganke
Vulture/Wilson Allan
Grandmaster/Red King

[Andrew NDB]

I think they kind of merged Hela with Death, right? They just forgot to bother to utilize her with Thanos in Infinity War and Endgame.

[IMJ]

The truth is that the MCU has made swiss cheeze of quite a few of these characters, but we don't care because there's just an excitement in general at seeing them on the big screen combined with the "social event" that comes with it.

Without overstating it - Iron Man 3 was a damn travesty in so many ways. Even down to using a character as the villain who got three panels in the comic before committing suicide, and making said villain a "rich white guy" because... you know... that's more acceptable evil in today's America than a fictional Asian powerhouse crimelord.

[Roseangelo]

Wasn't following this movie, but was kinda stoked to see the guy from Kim's Convenience is the lead.

[neatoman]

I think they kind of merged Hela with Death, right? They just forgot to bother to utilize her with Thanos in Infinity War and Endgame.

Why would they "forget" if that was the idea? There's like one movie between them, clearly they would have written her in if that was the case.

[Andrew NDB]

Why would they "forget" if that was the idea? There's like one movie between them, clearly they would have written her in if that was the case.

Well, I think early somewhere along the line that was the plan. Then they remembered... oh, right... China. And opted her out of the Avengers movies but remained a part of Ragnarok.

[Coola Yagami]

The truth is that the MCU has made swiss cheeze of quite a few of these characters, but we don't care because there's just an excitement in general at seeing them on the big screen combined with the "social event" that comes with it.

Without overstating it - Iron Man 3 was a damn travesty in so many ways. Even down to using a character as the villain who got three panels in the comic before committing suicide, and making said villain a "rich white guy" because... you know... that's more acceptable evil in today's America than a fictional Asian powerhouse crimelord.

I guess this is the kinda thing they could get away with when it comes to obscure characters. Like I was legit surprised when Staine betrayed Tony cause until the movie I have never heard of Obediah Staine. It's not like a Batman movie if they have some college friend of Bruce named Oswald Cobblepot, everyone woulda seen the double-cross coming a mile away.

But yeah.... what they did with Mandarin is the DC equivalent of...

Having the Joker turn out to be some bum hired to play the character to distract Gotham paid by the Penguin or whoever the real villain of the movie would be.

Batman dies defeating Darkseid.

Later on they make some Plasticman movie or Blue Beetle movie or whatever and the real Joker emerges in that one. And there ya go, one huge missed opportunity.

They only (somewhat) got away with it because only hardcore Marvel and Iron Man fans knew who the Mandarin was, normies didn't. But DC would never have been able to get away with making the Joker a random bum and then have Blue Beetle face him instead after Batman is dead and gone in that movie continuity.

[Andrew NDB]

I wonder if Trevor shows up to any degree. I think he will. They can't not address the elephant in the room about the Mandarin as it concerns Iron Man 1, 3, and "All Hail the King" especially.

[neatoman]

And now I'm thinking about Trevor asking the real Mandarin for a beer.

[IMJ]

I wonder if Trevor shows up to any degree. I think he will. They can't not address the elephant in the room about the Mandarin as it concerns Iron Man 1, 3, and "All Hail the King" especially.

I read somewhere that the identity thing is addressed. I also read less than promising statements from the director about how the Mandarin won't be what we expect, and bla bla bla.

People can think what they want about my decision to most likely not pay to see this movie, but all I can say is that point of view isn't purely because I'm jaded about the Mandarin on film, but mostly because of all of the BS nonsense and walking on broken glass that has come along with it from the Studios for years now.

Pretty much the only thing that could guarantee I'd pay to go see this one is to find out that Iron Man shows up and fights the real Mandarin in the background while Shang-Chi fights his Dad or whatever.

On that note, also incredibly sick and tired of the "family connections" or the "the bad guy knows me intimately" in super hero flicks, man. Ugh.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah... I mean sometimes random villains just gotta be random villains. It's like most of the greatest villains do have some sort of connection with the hero.... or if they don't then the movies feel the need to make up one. It all started with Joker killing Bruce's parents in Batman 88.

[AquaParade]

This is just some fanboy wank, but it would be really cool to have a tournament in this movie, featuring an assortment of Marvel characters, some well known, some we've met before in the films, and some we haven't. Yeah, it'd just be little cameos and set up for future films, but if done tastefully, it'd be pretty fun.
Similar to how Hulk shoes up in Thor Ragnarok, had it not been shown in the trailers - you have Shang-Chi show up to meet his opponent and it's fkn Silver Samurai, Moon Knight, or even Stick.

Maybe Mortal Kombat hype just got to me, but I want to see a Marvel fighting tournament and I want to be introduced to more Marvel characters in the films.

[Autbot_Benz]

Shang-Chi: And The Legend Of The Ten Rings To Be Shown In Theaters Only For 45 Days Before Going To VOD

According to Variety, for those not wanting to go see Shang-Chi: And The Legend Of The Ten Rings in movie theaters, you won't have wait long until it gets a home release. To be exact you will have to wait 45 days from it's September 3 theatrical release.

https://marvelousnews.com/266-28626?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

After its 45 day theatrical window it will then be made available on Disney+ Premiere Access 30 dollar rental on top of your D+ subscription

https://www.cnet.com/news/marvels-sh...y-as-theaters/

[ZariusTwo]

The movie may not be shown in China


https://variety.com/2021/film/news/marvel-shang-chi-eternals-china-release-1234971166/

[IMJ]

The movie may not be shown in China


https://variety.com/2021/film/news/marvel-shang-chi-eternals-china-release-1234971166/

Serves Marvel right if it's true after all of the bowing down to China's totalitarian propaganda nonsense Marvel did and tried to polish with "PC" press. You can't polish a turd.

[Coola Yagami]

The movie may not be shown in China


https://variety.com/2021/film/news/marvel-shang-chi-eternals-china-release-1234971166/

Boo ****ing Hoo.

[Sumac]

As expected.
I hope China get aggro'd and ban Hollywood trash, just to see Holywoke squirm.

[Andrew NDB]

China saying "f*** off" to Disney -- or any big studios -- is really the best thing that we can hope for.

[TigerClaw]

Its my understanding that some people in China are still on the fence regarding Shang-Chi, Because they think they are just pandering to Asian culture.

[Coola Yagami]

I just wish Hollywood would stop bending over for China. I mean I'm sure they can barely feel it, but it's still a humiliating position to put themselves in all the time. Who gives a flying **** what China thinks. Stop relying on their money.

[Andrew NDB]

I just wish Hollywood would stop bending over for China. I mean I'm sure they can barely feel it, but it's still a humiliating position to put themselves in all the time.

From the moment Hollywood went, "Oh wow... a LOT of money can be made in China if we play our cards right!" movies (well, the big blockbusters generally) have taken a hard hit.

[Leo656]

I mean, it's hard to ignore a country that has about 80 zillion people in it.

For better or worse, those nickels add up.

I agree, though, it shouldn't be the way it is. Just saying, it makes sense.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh, dear.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/no-fin-fang-foom-in-shang-chi

“We knew that we were potentially navigating a minefield, especially when looking at this property that was created by two white men in the 1970s at the height of the kung fu craze. We have not shied away from ripping out whatever doesn’t work in 2019, 2020, 2021."

[Autbot_Benz]

8YjFbMbfXaQ

underground fight club and Abomination from Incredible Hulk is shown in the trailer

[neatoman]

Those are not rings, they're bangles. It might sound like a notpick but everyone in the world knows the difference between a ring and a bangle. The title would literally be more accurate if they were worn on the ****.

[TigerClaw]

8YjFbMbfXaQ

underground fight club and Abomination from Incredible Hulk is shown in the trailer
Not only that, But they also updated his look to be more like the comics.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4sWgOXVcAY7K2s?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4sWgOYVEAM86cG?format=jpg&name=small

[IMJ]

Not only that, But they also updated his look to be more like the comics.

:lol::lol:

Yet in Iron Man 3 the Mandarin was faked as a rich white guy, and had significant story changes so as not to offend China. Meanwhile the real Mandarin never faced off against Iron Man, and now wields bracers instead of rings and suddenly Shang-Chi is his son. But you know... the Abomination has "wing ears" now, so it's all good......

:roll:

Not eyerollin' you by the way - it's just the whole thing when you combine it with the "to be more like the comics!" statement.

You've got to understand that I'm an Iron Man collector with like 32 years in. This whole thing is BS and the initial rational behind it is even more BS. I'd trade the entire Infinity saga for a proper Iron Man trilogy that culminated in a Mandarin sitting on a throne like the Emperor in ROTJ just like Jon Favreau told me he planned on doing when I met him for an interview all the way back in '07 at SDCC, man.

[Coola Yagami]

So Mandarin without Iron Man and now Abomination without the Hulk?

What are the guys are Marvel smoking?

Also who is Shang-Chi and why have I never heard of him, like even the Guardians seem less obscure than him.

[Andrew NDB]

So Mandarin without Iron Man and now Abomination without the Hulk?

Abomination shows up in She-Hulk. Which has the Hulk. Presumably this is like a minor teaser/setup of that.

Hopefully they bother explaining how/why he was able to escape custody of the US government.

[Coola Yagami]

Abomination shows up in She-Hulk. Which has the Hulk. Presumably this is like a minor teaser/setup of that.

Ugh.....

I hate those weird MCU TV shows. Just..... just stick to the movies you guys.

[Andrew NDB]

Those are not rings, they're bangles. It might sound like a notpick but everyone in the world knows the difference between a ring and a bangle.

Technically they're rings until you pick them up and wear them around your forearms. Then they're bangles.

Ugh. I have to wonder the conversations in closed rooms about this stuff. How having the rings be rings would be somehow "problematic" or anti-Asian or whatever. Because you just know it was something like that.

[IMJ]

I don't want to defend any of the **** show that has become the Mandarin in the MCU, but it is possible that the rings were "sized" for Dragon fingers and hence become wrist bangles on people.

In the comics, the rings are Makkluan tech - from the race of Dragons that is Fin Fang Foom. But with that said, I still don't care. The only thing that could save this entire debacle for me would be if Downey shows up as Iron Man in the end to take on the Mandarin, which.... you know... is not really reasonable at all.

[Coola Yagami]

Technically they're rings until you pick them up and wear them around your forearms. Then they're bangles.

Ugh. I have to wonder the conversations in closed rooms about this stuff. How having the rings be rings would be somehow "problematic" or anti-Asian or whatever. Because you just know it was something like that.

A guy with several gems and rings on his fingers is too similar in concept to Thanos, at least to the normies. They'd be asking why Mandarin doesn't just snap his fingers.

[neatoman]

I'm also a bit confused here about the bangles are even meant to work. Having one ring for each finger means you can just use the particular finger for the desired effect. If you wear five bangles on each arm, how do you even prioritise one effect? If you need to shoot out the ice ring to use it but it happens to be behind the fire ring, you'd have to shoot out the fire ring first.

[Coola Yagami]

I'm also a bit confused here about the bangles are even meant to work. Having one ring for each finger means you can just use the particular finger for the desired effect. If you wear five bangles on each arm, how do you even prioritise one effect? If you need to shoot out the ice ring to use it but it happens to be behind the fire ring, you'd have to shoot out the fire ring first.

You're assuming there even is an ice ring and a fire ring. The trailer makes it look like it's just yellow or white magic energy whatever, regardless which ring (or if all rings) are being used.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, it looks like the precise powers of the "rings" in this are "pew!" and "pew!"

[neatoman]

You're assuming there even is an ice ring and a fire ring. The trailer makes it look like it's just yellow or white magic energy whatever, regardless which ring (or if all rings) are being used.

Yeah, it looks like the precise powers of the "rings" in this are "pew!" and "pew!"

If the bangles don't even have different properties, what's the point of there even being ten of them? I would say comic book accuracy but clearly that isn't the case.

If you're gonna make it so that the rings are bangles, don't give them any differeing properties, have the guy using them be a mash-up of two unrelated characters and in the process even make the main character a mash-up of at least two different characters, then... Why even bother feigning accuracy?

Why not just have the bad guy be a total OC and make up a new McGuffin? He could wear "The Bangles of Conquest" or something and instead of there being ten, there could be four (one for each limb) and the catch is that you need to wear all four of them for it to be working. That would be a little more honest than just slapping the name of something else onto this and say it's based on something from a comic book.

And I understand the concerns about the Mandarin being kind of a racist character, but I don't understand what's racist about wearing finger rings that do different things, why would that aspect have to change?

[Coola Yagami]

If the bangles don't even have different properties, what's the point of there even being ten of them? I would say comic book accuracy but clearly that isn't the case.

If you're gonna make it so that the rings are bangles, don't give them any differeing properties, have the guy using them be a mash-up of two unrelated characters and in the process even make the main character a mash-up of at least two different characters, then... Why even bother feigning accuracy?

Why not just have the bad guy be a total OC and make up a new McGuffin? He could wear "The Bangles of Conquest" or something and instead of there being ten, there could be four (one for each limb) and the catch is that you need to wear all four of them for it to be working. That would be a little more honest than just slapping the name of something else onto this and say it's based on something from a comic book.

And I understand the concerns about the Mandarin being kind of a racist character, but I don't understand what's racist about wearing finger rings that do different things, why would that aspect have to change?

Like I said, to the common normie, a guy wearing different colored gem rings on his fingers would look too similar to Thanos. Everyone would be expecting him to double-snap or something.

All this basically ties into too little too late and they should have just done the Mandarin right the first time. Marvel still wasn't owned by Disney back then, the director in charge should have told China to suck his left nut and just gone ahead with the real deal.

[AquaParade]

So Mandarin without Iron Man and now Abomination without the Hulk?

What are the guys are Marvel smoking?

Also who is Shang-Chi and why have I never heard of him, like even the Guardians seem less obscure than him.

I don’t see any reason they can’t mix and match the typically expected hero and villain pairings. Some of the most fun comes from doing that in the comics.
Kingpin was originally a Spider-Man villain that ended up working even better with Daredevil.

Seeing Abomination pop up, unexpectedly, in a Shang Chi fighting tournament is a fun idea. You should really ask Marvel for a puff and try to enjoy it.

[The Deadman]

COGg-Vjauwo

[ranger_scout]

This film will NOT be simultaneously released on Disney+ with Premier Access. It will play exclusively in theaters for 45 days.

https://www.thewrap.com/disney-ceo-bob-chapek-says-shang-chi-wont-go-to-disney-premier-access/

[CyberCubed]

I have no idea what this franchise is as I never heard of it before this movie, but as long as it has some good kung fu karate action and some mystical elements I'm interested as I like that stuff in other movies.

[TigerClaw]

This film will NOT be simultaneously released on Disney+ with Premier Access. It will play exclusively in theaters for 45 days.

https://www.thewrap.com/disney-ceo-bob-chapek-says-shang-chi-wont-go-to-disney-premier-access/
As it should be, The proper way of seeing it.

[ZariusTwo]

As it should be, The proper way of seeing it.

This movie looks like a dollar bin purchase to be honest

[Xav]

Marvel still wasn't owned by Disney back then, the director in charge should have told China to suck his left nut and just gone ahead with the real deal.Disney bought Marvel in 2009, Iron Man 3 came out in 2013. So Disney had owned Marvel for years at that point.

[The Deadman]

As it should be, The proper way of seeing it.

"The proper way of seeing it"

I cant wait for the next response to be "they should have put it on Disney+" after it flops because of the Delta variant.

[CyberCubed]

The sooner it goes to Disney+ is the sooner I can watch it for free, so of course I prefer the latter. When movies come out in theaters I have to wait 2-3+ months or whatever to see it.

[The Deadman]

Imagine having to wait for a movie to come out on DVD to be able to see it.

[CyberCubed]

I usually only see 3-4 movies in theaters a year, and only the very best movies or ones I know I want to see. Something like this movie, which who knows if it'll be good or interesting or not, I wait till it comes out on streaming.

[Autbot_Benz]

Shang Chi will hit Disney + on October 18th and it will be free for all + Subscribers no premiere access nonsense


https://twitter.com/PhantasticGeek/status/1393009686778163201

[Andrew NDB]

Saw it. Decent! Like a smoother, more polished... "Asian Black Panther" movie. And next time there is a big event, there is another army that can show up now. Also no, those rings don't appear to have individual powers... their powers are just "pew pew"!

Ben Kingsley's fake Mandarin gets way more screentime than I could've imagined. It's probably about as much as in Iron Man 3. Abomination's cameo is nothing to write home about.

Also, I was SURE the mother would turn out to be that masked trainer/head thug of the Mandarin's inner circle. They made a big thing with the character for a while... but then they just kill it off and it was all nothing. Also nice to see Drago's son from Creed 2 getting more work!

[Autbot_Benz]

I'll wait for it to hit Disney +. I did read the post credit scene regarding Smart Hulk is Banner again. I just hope next time he is hulk its Hulk Smash Hulk not hipster dork Smart Hulk

[Andrew NDB]

I'll wait for it to hit Disney +. I did read the post credit scene regarding Smart Hulk is Banner again. I just hope next time he is hulk its Hulk Smash Hulk not hipster dork Smart Hulk

He appeared to have a blinking light on his good hand. I think that has something to do with it. Also Captain Marvel shows up and is apparently growing her hair out again.

[IMJ]

Saw it. Decent! Like a smoother, more polished... "Asian Black Panther" movie.

The VFX in Black Panther were 1990's T.V. CGI horrible in some parts. Where they any better in Shang Chi?

I saw a few people saying that Shang Chi basically poorly ripped off and "Marveled" every better classic Asian flick that came before it - Crouching Tiger; Hero and films like that. True?

I'll check this one out eventually, but I can't pay for it - it would only reinforce what Marvel did with Iron Man 3 and then here in Shang Chi, and this isn't "the Mandarin" that I've been waiting 30 years to see on film at all it seems, nor is it the Mandarin that Jon Favreau promised me we'd see on film when I was interviewing him back in 2007.... So you can imagine my disappointment with all of this as a hardcore Iron Man fan 30 years into the hobby.

[ZariusTwo]

Disney+ release is October 18th

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/way-watch-shang-chi-free-030012802.html

[CyberCubed]

I'll wait for it to hit the illegal streaming websites. Which should be 5 minutes after it releases on Disney+. So October 18th then.

[Autbot_Benz]

I'll wait for it to hit the illegal streaming websites.

you know you don't have to tell us your gonna pirating something . you do this in every movie thread.

[Andrew NDB]

The VFX in Black Panther were 1990's T.V. CGI horrible in some parts. Where they any better in Shang Chi?

I saw a few people saying that Shang Chi basically poorly ripped off and "Marveled" every better classic Asian flick that came before it - Crouching Tiger; Hero and films like that. True?

I'll check this one out eventually, but I can't pay for it - it would only reinforce what Marvel did with Iron Man 3 and then here in Shang Chi, and this isn't "the Mandarin" that I've been waiting 30 years to see on film at all it seems, nor is it the Mandarin that Jon Favreau promised me we'd see on film when I was interviewing him back in 2007.... So you can imagine my disappointment with all of this as a hardcore Iron Man fan 30 years into the hobby.

Yeah, Crouching Tiger and movies like that were definitely... influences. I never really felt like it watered much down in that way, though. Maybe with a few of the cutesy mythical animal things that look like every Oriental statue ever, come to life.

I suspect they could be setting something up with the "real" Mandarin at the end of this one. He had his soul sucked out, we saw his dead body but there wasn't like a funeral or anything. i.e., we could now be looking at a soulless, truly evil Mandarin next time around.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yeah, Crouching Tiger and movies like that were definitely... influences. I never really felt like it watered much down in that way, though. Maybe with a few of the cutesy mythical animal things that look like every Oriental statue ever, come to life.


The mythical creatures were pretty accurate, tbh. Especially the Foo lions and Dragon horses. Right out of every description and artwork I've ever seen. That was definitely a treat!


I suspect they could be setting something up with the "real" Mandarin at the end of this one. He had his soul sucked out, we saw his dead body but there wasn't like a funeral or anything. i.e., we could now be looking at a soulless, truly evil Mandarin next time around.


No, pretty sure he's dead. That ceremony at the end WAS the funeral! I am kind of wondering if that dragon was one of Foom's species, though. Though certainly a more benevolent one.

[Andrew NDB]

I do wonder...

Does the mystical land in Shang-Chi have any connection to Kun Lun? Because it sure sounded like it, the way it was described and the way it was hidden. And getting power from "the heart of a dragon" inside of it sure sounds like Danny Rand's origin. Is this just coincidence, or did they maybe try to rename things to avoid similarities to Iron Fist?

[neatoman]

I do wonder...

Does the mystical land in Shang-Chi have any connection to Kun Lun? Because it sure sounded like it, the way it was described and the way it was hidden. And getting power from "the heart of a dragon" inside of it sure sounds like Danny Rand's origin. Is this just coincidence, or did they maybe try to rename things to avoid similarities to Iron Fist?

No, it's some obscure thing from an 80's Thor comic.

[ranger_scout]

I saw the film on Saturday and it was excellent IMO. I really liked the characters, the Asian culture, the plot, and the action as well. It was refreshing to see a brand entirely new Marvel movie. I still enjoy the sequels and origin stories with the heroes we've seen multiple times, but I do like MCU movies with lesser-known characters as well.

[Andrew NDB]

A minor quibble, but it kind of alarmed me how little the Snap seemed to have affected this world/these characters. They do mention it offhandedly "we're living in a world where half of its people can just vanish" but... didn't this affect any of these guys? Was Shang-Chi himself snapped for 5 years? Was his lady friend? Any of his family members? Did they ALL just escape unscathed? I would've thought there would be at least a few lasting repercussions seen.

[Andrew NDB]

Seems like it's not doing as well as Black Widow. It's opening weekend was 75 million while Black Widow's was 80 million... which doesn't sound like a big gap, but that 80 million doesn't include the 60 million from Disney+ exclusive sales. Shang-Chi won't have any Disney+ exclusive sales.

[IMJ]

Access media's endless bull $#!(..... clickbait like "Shang Chi DESTROYS Projected Box Office", or other such headlines with bombastic language.

:roll:

[Andrew NDB]

Access media's endless bull $#!(..... clickbait like "Shang Chi DESTROYS Projected Box Office", or other such headlines with bombastic language.

:roll:

Yeah, I admit, I was shocked when I looked at the numbers. Every article I've seen seeing flash in front of me has been about "Shang-Chi BLOWS AWAY ALL EXPECTATIONS!!" and so on.

Like, they really expected it to do smaller numbers than Black Widow? Which was already pretty small number, compared to all the other MCU movies? There's no way.

[IMJ]

They'll blame everything on pandemics and nervous movie goers instead of admitting to alienating their core audiences, straying from the source material, inserting overt political agendas and otherwise behaving and making content in ways that turns off the regular people that otherwise support the I.P.'s.

[Coola Yagami]

They'll blame everything on pandemics and nervous movie goers instead of admitting to alienating their core audiences, straying from the source material, inserting overt political agendas and otherwise behaving and making content in ways that turns off the regular people that otherwise support the I.P.'s.

Not to mention, boring characters no one ever heard of or cared about. I mean the same be said about Guardians of the Galaxy, but they had a talking raccoon, a talking tree, green Bautista and a hot green woman. I'm sure if the Guardians were just.... 4 or 5 normal looking joes, no one would care.

On a similar note, the first Suicide Squad had Harley Quinn, Will Smith, Harley Quinn, Killer Croc and Harley Quinn. The second Suicide Squad had John Cena and a talking shark guy, and Harley was there too. Not sayin either were big successes (though I heard people really liked the second one) but the characters were weird enough to make people go see it out of curiosity.

I can see this one might have gotten more attention if say... Jackie Chan was in the movie somewhere, maybe as the dude's mentor or something. I'm sure people would have been curious enough to see what he'd do in this movie.

[IMJ]

Not to mention, boring characters no one ever heard of or cared about. I mean the same be said about Guardians of the Galaxy, but they had a talking raccoon, a talking tree, green Bautista and a hot green woman. I'm sure if the Guardians were just.... 4 or 5 normal looking joes, no one would care.

On a similar note, the first Suicide Squad had Harley Quinn, Will Smith, Harley Quinn, Killer Croc and Harley Quinn. The second Suicide Squad had John Cena and a talking shark guy, and Harley was there too. Not sayin either were big successes (though I heard people really liked the second one) but the characters were weird enough to make people go see it out of curiosity.

I can see this one might have gotten more attention if say... Jackie Chan was in the movie somewhere, maybe as the dude's mentor or something. I'm sure people would have been curious enough to see what he'd do in this movie.

I would've given this movie a shot, but there are two distinct mechanisms of action that I'm not afraid to point out:

1. This was the movie, along with IM 3 that basically f'd up the Mandarin, probably for an entire generation of Iron Man fans.
2. As soon as the virtue signal nonsense came out about "the FIRST Asian superhero" as if this was progressive nonsense instead of just having the movie be quality entertainment, I was out.

That's it. I don't need nor want to hide behind socially-acceptable criticisms just so that the bottom feeders of the internet play-pretend that those are somehow more acceptable than the truth.
Having a movie with third tier characters from any ethnic background is cool; but giving a finger to the fans and virtue signaling is nonsense. That's just my perspective though - I mean if the deep cut characters aren't interesting to someone on their own merits, that's fine too.

[Coola Yagami]

I would've given this movie a shot, but there are two distinct mechanisms of action that I'm not afraid to point out:

1. This was the movie, along with IM 3 that basically f'd up the Mandarin, probably for an entire generation of Iron Man fans.
2. As soon as the virtue signal nonsense came out about "the FIRST Asian superhero" as if this was progressive nonsense instead of just having the movie be quality entertainment, I was out.

That's it. I don't need nor want to hide behind socially-acceptable criticisms just so that the bottom feeders of the internet play-pretend that those are somehow more acceptable than the truth.
Having a movie with third tier characters from any ethnic background is cool; but giving a finger to the fans and virtue signaling is nonsense. That's just my perspective though - I mean if the deep cut characters aren't interesting to someone on their own merits, that's fine too.
Literally the first few reviews just went on and on gushing about first Asian this and representation that but no mention of what the movie is actually about or if it was good or bad.

Like literally the only thing that matters is 'first Asian hero's while Bruce and Brandon Lee laugh from their graves.

[Andrew NDB]

Literally the first few reviews just went on and on gushing about first Asian this and representation that but no mention of what the movie is actually about or if it was good or bad.

Fortunately it IS rather good. But absolutely it is telling the way people gush about one skin color over another one.

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like it will be lucky to limp to 180 million domestically. It MIGHT hit about 295 worldwide, but this is the end of the third weekend already... most/all of that money is going to the theaters now.

So yeah. It's going to end significantly less successfully as Black Widow, doing "The Incredible Hulk" numbers. Which represented the worst of the MCU's box office. Even Ant-Man 1 has a bigger box office than this.

I wonder what will happen if The Eternals (which is 50 million more expensive than Shang Chi), like, totally tanks? Like, performs significantly worse than Shang-Chi? I'm really not hearing a lot of buzz about it.

[CyberCubed]

The movie is up on streaming so I watched it. Was a fun kung fu martial arts flick with mystical elements so I liked it for that reason. I don’t know who the superheroes were but it was basically just an Asian version of Black Panther, they even had their own hidden Asian village like Wakanda.

[Coola Yagami]

I would've given this movie a shot, but there are two distinct mechanisms of action that I'm not afraid to point out:

1. This was the movie, along with IM 3 that basically f'd up the Mandarin, probably for an entire generation of Iron Man fans.
2. As soon as the virtue signal nonsense came out about "the FIRST Asian superhero" as if this was progressive nonsense instead of just having the movie be quality entertainment, I was out.

That's it. I don't need nor want to hide behind socially-acceptable criticisms just so that the bottom feeders of the internet play-pretend that those are somehow more acceptable than the truth.
Having a movie with third tier characters from any ethnic background is cool; but giving a finger to the fans and virtue signaling is nonsense. That's just my perspective though - I mean if the deep cut characters aren't interesting to someone on their own merits, that's fine too.

I still say this is the equivalent of say...

Batman looking for the Joker in a movie and it turns out Joker was some drunk guy hired to play a clown and the real villain was the Riddler or something

Batman dies in another movie fighting Darkseid

The real Joker appears but in a Blue Beetle movie. Sure, it's cool to finally see the real Joker make an appearance but we'll never see Batman VS The Joker.

That's basically what IM3, End Game and Shang Chi did.

[ProphetofGanja]

There's nothing wrong with enjoying things for what they are sometimes, guys, you'll be a lot happier, I promise :lol:

[AquaParade]

First half was great but the film completely devolved in the second half into just another predictable MCU film where everything comes too easy, there is a war without a drop of blood, and everything becomes a green screen.

I just can’t do these fake looking, cgi-filled third acts anymore. Really hope Spider-Man can rise above by just maintaining super high quality or some storytelling surprises.

[IMJ]

There's nothing wrong with enjoying things for what they are sometimes, guys, you'll be a lot happier, I promise :lol:

?

I don't think disdain at a movie direction or rejection of pop-culture that went sideways is a sign of life-unhappiness, man. You saying that it is looks like a pretty simple minded evaluation. I think you misunderstood the litmus test for the cliche response. :lol:

The litmus test is actually "who bugs up when other people are successful or happy".... or "who uses the first opportunity to crassly lash out on social media against anything" or "who twists words into straw man points to pretend they made a real point". Those are signs that someone needs to adjust their perception and would be a lot happier.

It's not whether or not you are poignantly unhappy with a Marvel flick - and saying otherwise is some peasant-level understanding of reality, dude. :teek:8) There's nothing wrong with rejecting pop culture when it doesn't suit you and then discussing it poignantly. :roll:

Again with you..... :roll:

:D8)

[Sumac]

I still say this is the equivalent of say...

Batman looking for the Joker in a movie and it turns out Joker was some drunk guy hired to play a clown and the real villain was the Riddler or something

Batman dies in another movie fighting Darkseid

The real Joker appears but in a Blue Beetle movie. Sure, it's cool to finally see the real Joker make an appearance but we'll never see Batman VS The Joker.

That's basically what IM3, End Game and Shang Chi did.
Real Mandarin seemingly does exist in the MCU...but, I ca understand people's frustration with this idea, especially since real villain of IM3 was pretty boring, like most MCU villains. Still, love this movie.

[Coola Yagami]

Real Mandarin seemingly does exist in the MCU...

Yeah, wasn't he the main villain of Shang Chi? That's what I mean. The equivalent of not introducing the Joker until a Blue Beetle movie or something random years after Batman died in that cinematic universe.

[IMJ]

I wonder what the MCU would've been like without Disney, would it have become the juggernaut it did? Obviously not to the same level but would it have been able to get all those movies made? It likely would've been a slower release schedule, it would've been a hit but maybe not a mega hit.

It was a juggernaut the moment Iron Man one was launched and widely accepted, even amidst the Dark Knight snobbery.

[Coola Yagami]

I kinda miss the event is used to be, but it's fitting it ended with End Game.

I mean their schedule used to be 'release a few character solo movies' then it all comes together with the Avengers movie, and sometimes an aftermath movie.

Like how people consider the MCU movies to be 'episodes', if so the Avengers movies were the season finales.

Now all of these are weird and scatterbrained. Where is the end goal here? Between Shang Chi, Eternals, Spider-Man (which is more of a spider-season finale) and Dr Strange, where is their big season finale movie? What's the movie that connects all these pieces together?

[IMJ]

My bets are that they will kill off Tom Holland for Miles Morales in this new movie.

[Andrew NDB]

My bets are that they will kill off Tom Holland for Miles Morales in this new movie.

I don't think that's even a remote possibility and wouldn't make any sense for Sony. By some miracle, they now have a Spider-Man whose movies make money and are critically OK... now that he's established and before they can even take him and retreat back to some kind of standalone, sh***y Sony universe (if need be)... they would kill him off? Just fingers crossed that everyone will fall in love with whoever is Miles, straight away?

No chance. It'd be one thing if Tom Holland was going around saying he's absolutely done with the character... but he's not. He's saying the opposite. It'd also be another thing if Spider-Man was entirely a Disney/Marvel asset... I could see a case for Disney wanting to "diversify" Spider-Man in such a way, maybe (beyond maybe Chickbusters just being allowed to be, does Sony even care about woke sh**, though?), though even then not anytime soon as the Holland Spider-Man is still a juggernaut. But it's not a Disney/Marvel asset, it's only a Sony asset that's in the MCU in a kind of time share on their "good" graces. There is simply no way anyone at Sony is going, "Let's start all over again!" because they know how that will go. For Sony, I'm sure they DO want to introduce Miles Morales ASAP... not to replace Peter (though it would certainly be a backup plan) but to immediately launch a bunch of Miles Morales spinoff movies that they would hope Marvel Studios would produce for them but if not, no sweat, they'll just do them on their own while still milking however much mileage they can out of the Holland Spider-Man. That'd be way more marketable than, say, any Spider-Man spinoff Sony has had in preproduction, ever.

[AquaParade]

Tom will be around for a bit. They're still ramping up his conflict with Venom. I do think we'll see a live action Miles sooner than later though.

[Andrew NDB]

Tom will be around for a bit. They're still ramping up his conflict with Venom. I do think we'll see a live action Miles sooner than later though.

Yeah, I'd be shocked if we didn't meet Miles in No Way Home. Because again, assuming a new deal between Sony and Disney/Marvel is not reached, that would be the last opportunity for Sony to have Miles rub elbows with MCU characters before that might no longer be a possibility. Because then when/if Sony retreats into their Sony Spiderverse, audiences would still attribute Miles as being a part of the MCU.

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, I'd be shocked if we didn't meet Miles in No Way Home. Because again, assuming a new deal between Sony and Disney/Marvel is not reached, that would be the last opportunity for Sony to have Miles rub elbows with MCU characters before that might no longer be a possibility. Because then when/if Sony retreats into their Sony Spiderverse, audiences would still attribute Miles as being a part of the MCU.

I don't really see where there's room for him, especially if we get all 3 OG Spider-Men.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't really see where there's room for him, especially if we get all 3 OG Spider-Men.

For all we know we don't get the main two OG Spider-Men until the third act of a movie we already know is 2 1/2 hours. Plenty of room for a couple of poignant scenes, at least.

[Leo656]

does Sony even care about woke sh**, though?

Probably not sincerely, and probably not at the highest levels of management. Aren't they a Japanese company? Japan is in many ways the opposite of "woke", aside from the fact that they're generally okay with gay people as long as they don't flaunt it too much.

Knowing Japan at all, there's about 150% chance that all of Sony's top executives and CEO's stop off on their way home from approving Spider-Man movie stuff to buy schoolgirls' panties from a vending machine to sniff while they masturbate to cartoons about women having sex with an octopus or a demon from Hell with 20 tentacle dicks. I highly doubt ANY of those people care about "woke sh*t" unless they think that they can make a buck by pretending to care.

[Coola Yagami]

Probably not sincerely, and probably not at the highest levels of management. Aren't they a Japanese company? Japan is in many ways the opposite of "woke", aside from the fact that they're generally okay with gay people as long as they don't flaunt it too much.

Knowing Japan at all, there's about 150% chance that all of Sony's top executives and CEO's stop off on their way home from approving Spider-Man movie stuff to buy schoolgirls' panties from a vending machine to sniff while they masturbate to cartoons about women having sex with an octopus or a demon from Hell with 20 tentacle dicks. I highly doubt ANY of those people care about "woke sh*t" unless they think that they can make a buck by pretending to care.

Dude WTF.... stop spying on me and broadcasting it all over the Drome. I trusted you, you bitch.

[Leo656]

What're you a Japanese Mexican? I didn't know there was such an animal. :lol:

[Sumac]

Watched this movie.
Good, but ultimately forgettable. Par for the course for MCU movies.

Main character is fine, his sister and his gf are not bad too, but main villain, who was extremely charismatic and even sympathetic, which is a rarity for a villain in MCU, was wasted in the anticlimactic death and replaced with some CGI abomination. The whole climax - battle between two CGI monsters was just boring. I prefer, if villain has some real character and a personality and maybe turns into monster. But a silent voiceless monster who just wants to destroy everything is extremely boring. Since I like Iron Man 3, I loved they returned Trevor (Fake Mandarin).

[Allio]

It was a marvel film goes, it’s an okay film overal. Perhaps since I watch a lot of Chinese films, I didn’t find the action scenes all that impressive. The third act cgi mess definitely ruined it.

[Sumac]

I liked martial arts action scenes, but CGI final was just generic and unimpressive. Not technically, but narratively. I felt like I watching remake of the final battle from Mortal Kombat Annihilation, for some reason.