Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles.

[Jarrah White]

I've heard that because nunchakus were banned in the UK, Peter Laird & Kevin Eastman had to make two versions of the Ninja Turtles show, they even had to rename it Hero Turtles, not Ninja Turtles. As Michelangelo's weapon of choice was banned in the UK, they replaced it with a grapple hook. Is this true? Just rumours is all I've heard.

[Karpo_007]

True, but it hasn't got anything to do with Eastman and Laird, and the name was changed because Ninja was a banned word in UK.

[Misfit]

It was changed because the ridiculously over sensitive UK censors thought the word "ninja" was too violent, ditto with the 'chunks.

[Savanti Romero]

They banned the word ninja? They banned naunchakus? Not katanas? I hope they banned some weapons a little worse than them, like maybe guns! That's is crazy! :sick:

[Jarrah White]

They banned the word ninja? They banned naunchakus? Not katanas? I hope they banned some weapons a little worse than them, like maybe guns! That's is crazy! :sick:

Ironic somehow isn't it that the Brittish can banned naunchakus but it's okay for them to have nuclear bombs.

[Savanti Romero]

Very ironic! I can't imagine why they did that! :x

[malignant]

Very ironic! I can't imagine why they did that! :x

Stupidity is why...Pure stupidity.

[Savanti Romero]

Well said Malignant, well said.

[Reznorite420]

Somebody, please, hold me back, since I'm having a hard time keeping myself from beating the living bejesus out of whoever said the taboo "H" word...

*sigh*...That should be a new forum rule: any reference of TMHT should result in a warning at the very least :evilgrin:

[Barkworm]

Weren't the nunchucks also banned in the US? :-?

[Karpo_007]

Yes, but not before season 4.

[Barkworm]

The UK banned them BEFORE season 4??? In Germany we also had the Hero Turtles but I saw a lot of episodes with Nunchakus.

[Karpo_007]

Yep, Michelangelo seemed to disappear when the fights started.

[Jarrah White]

Yep, Michelangelo seemed to disappear when the fights started.

What goods a grapple hook in a fight? Unless you just use it as a strangle wire.

[Ninjatron]

They banned naunchakus? Not katanas? I hope they banned some weapons a little worse than them, like maybe guns!
Nunchuks ARE worse than katanas.

Beyond that, they have/had a gang connection.

Sayonara.

[Jarrah White]

They banned naunchakus? Not katanas? I hope they banned some weapons a little worse than them, like maybe guns!
Nunchuks ARE worse than katanas.

Beyond that, they have/had a gang connection.

Sayonara.

How'd you come to that conclusion? While some people have had suffered a broken jaw from nunchakus, many have been decapitated by katanas, or any other sword for that reason.

[Eidiot88]

In some ways 'chucks are worse than katanas, ever seen a Bruce Lee movie? he made the 'chucks look brutal.

[Savanti Romero]

Well that might be so, but what about guns?

[Reznorite420]

Please, lock this thread already...it's too much for me to keep seeing the references to the dreaded "H" word :dead:

[Bowser_Koopa]

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is this better ot worse than the march?

[Pizza Face]

It is okay for the uk to not let the citizens have or talk about weapons. First of all, state sponsered violence is not bad. It is good. When a country attacks people, it is good. but, people attacking other people is bad. Hence the ban on chucks and the legality of nukes. Also, those brits are so drunk all the time, they would use these weapons on each other. could be messy, and you run the risk of losing taxpayers.

[Misfit]

Ahem, PizzaFace, can we not do *too* much Brit bashing on here? I'm all for bitching about censorship but lets not go completely overboard. Some of us are English you know. ;)

[Pizza Face]

I am sorry. I have a Union Jack at home, which I hail every morning. I am as english as they come

[Reznorite420]

Bowser_Koopa will die at my hands!!!!!

NinjaGirl21: You think Pizza Face is bad? You should've seen the posts I made when I first joined ;) HT and Machi can fill you in on what happened.

[Keroscene]

They banned naunchakus? Not katanas?

Well...it's not like you can prevent kids seeing swords in films/cartoons/TV shows at some point or other. Nunchukus are different, no British kids had ever heard of them pre-Turtlemania.

Also, nunchuks are funnier weapons. Hitting people is less messy and therefore more comical than stabbing/slashing them, in my opinion. So kids are more likely to wanna mess around with them, maybe.

What bugs me is the sais were left in...I mean all the other weapons have non-injuring uses. What can you do with a sai besides stab people?

[heretic888]

What bugs me is the sais were left in...I mean all the other weapons have non-injuring uses. What can you do with a sai besides stab people?


Contrary to popular opinion, sai are not pointed. They are blunt weapons.

[Keroscene]

Contrary to popular opinion, sai are not pointed. They are blunt weapons.

But you can still stab with them, right? I mean, I can think of a dozen old "Elektra"/"Daredevil" storylines and tons of movies where someone gets stabbed with a sai.

[Bowser_Koopa]

dracula used to round his wooden stabbers or knives, or whatever, i don't know what they are called in english, the fact is that he rounded them so that it would be harder and more painful to stab

[Misfit]

Stakes?

[Bowser_Koopa]

i guess....

[heretic888]

But you can still stab with them, right? I mean, I can think of a dozen old "Elektra"/"Daredevil" storylines and tons of movies where someone gets stabbed with a sai.

*chuckles* Sure, if you're a comic book character with amazingly exceptional strength. Of course, if you have that, then there are a lot of things you could stab people with....

[Karpo_007]

Raph has used his sais many times for both cutting and stabbing. Not to mention throwing. So I belive his sais are sharpened.

[heretic888]

Raph has used his sais many times for both cutting and stabbing. Not to mention throwing. So I belive his sais are sharpened.

*chuckles* Well, that has more to do with a lack of research on the part of certain writers than anything else. This is why they also call Leo's swords "katana" when they are actually ninja-to.

Cutting and stabbing, though?? A pointed sai is one thing, but a bladed one?? Very very odd.....

[Karpo_007]

Yes you can make cut wounds with pointed metal objects, but natrually not very deep.

[heretic888]

Yes, but those aren't actually cuts but more like rips or tears.

In any event, sai were indeed Japanese weapons and were blunt. They were specifically designed to be anti-sword truncheons (i.e., blunt ass-whippin' device), the pronges used to pin a sword blade in place.

[Anarky]

i first met the turtles as the Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles. i was very confused when i saw them as the TMNT a few years later.

Thanks for clearing that up

And Rez': Heeeee---ro Turtles.

another strange thing is that the german theme song always said:

"Teenage mutant hero turtles
super strong hero turtles..."

it even remained when they suddenly changd to Ninja turtles. i always thought that that was kinda funny

[Karpo_007]

I know, and like you said, either Eastman and Laird didn't do much research about the weapons, or decided to take some liberties.

[Pizza Face]

you are right that they are pretty much blunt and are used to stop swords, but so what? cant raph sharpen his? also, if you were to throw a real sai, it would dig in but good. But ya know, you are all trying to tell everyone all the funky little ninja things you know, but what you arent telling people is that warriors of japan took liberties with their weapons. Many people would study in a certain school, and then create their own fighting techniques and even invent weapons. So, just chill on you high hill friend. We are all just trying to talk and you are trying to show how smart you think you are.

[Karpo_007]

:roll:

[heretic888]

Exactly, karpo. :D

you are right that they are pretty much blunt and are used to stop swords, but so what? cant raph sharpen his?

I don't see why he'd bother. If he wanted a stabbing instrument, there are other more useful weapons... like, oh say, a knife. If we are talking about accuracy here, I'd say Raph can stab people with his sai because of his exceptional strength not because it is pointed.

also, if you were to throw a real sai, it would dig in but good.

Not unless you have the strength of 5 normal men.

But ya know, you are all trying to tell everyone all the funky little ninja things you know, but what you arent telling people is that warriors of japan took liberties with their weapons. Many people would study in a certain school, and then create their own fighting techniques and even invent weapons. So, just chill on you high hill friend. We are all just trying to talk and you are trying to show how smart you think you are.

*chuckles* No, I am stating facts. This is what a sai was. If Raph and/or Splinter "took liberties" then fine. But, the fact remains that sai were not pointed weapons.

[Bowser_Koopa]

no really, i feel the same way he does, all you do is argue and prove that you do know stuff

[Kali]

We are all just trying to talk and you are trying to show how smart you think you are.
Umm, isn't that exactly what you're doing? You can't bash him for doing the same thing you do.

[Anarchistguy]

*chuckles* Well, that has more to do with a lack of research on the part of certain writers than anything else. This is why they also call Leo's swords "katana" when they are actually ninja-to.


I've read somewhere that Leo's swords were Daisho (a katana and a wakizashi). I mean what kind of ninja fights using TWO katana? One is heavy as HELL.

Edit: I know that TMNT is fictional and it doesn't have to be realistic, so don't any of you start bugging the hell out of me about this, okay?

[heretic888]

no really, i feel the same way he does, all you do is argue and prove that you do know stuff

Wrong. I'm correcting false information. It would like if you said "the world is flat, you know". I simply reply, "Umm... not quite." Why?? Because your spewing erroneous information, plain and simple.

The problem with the kind of thinking above is that because somebody thinks their precious little ego holds onto a false conception of the world that that somehow means their views shouldn't be questioned or confronted. I'm sorry if you emotionally believe the world is flat, but it just isn't so. The same goes for a lot of the BS I've been correcting lately.

Try and keep an open mind.


Umm, isn't that exactly what you're doing? You can't bash him for doing the same thing you do.

Oh, he can, Kali. He'll just be a hypocrite, that's all. I mean, there's nothing stopping him for criticizing me for all the wrong reasons. :wink:

I've read somewhere that Leo's swords were called Daisho.

That was in the Palladium RPG. That is also incorrect, though. A daisho is the traditional pair of samurai swords consisting of a katana and a wakizashi. Leo has neither, however. The length and design of the blades are decidedly that of a ninja-to.

[Anarchistguy]

Do you have a picture of acutal "ninja-to"

Oh and about the Turtles' weapons, why the hell do Donatello and Michelangelo have bandages over their bo and nunchaku? that's pretty damn pointless if you ask me.

[Bowser_Koopa]

well, i doubt you mean me cuz i barely participated in this topic, i never said "hey, sais are really sharp and pointy" i don't really say stuff i'm not sure about, cuz i haven't read most of the mirages, and by the way you reply you do sound like you were correcting everybody, with you "correct" information *chuckles*

[Karpo_007]

Do you have a picture of acutal "ninja-to"

Oh and about the Turtles' weapons, why the hell do Donatello and Michelangelo have bandages over their bo and nunchaku? that's pretty damn pointless if you ask me.

For a better grip perhaps?

[heretic888]

Do you have a picture of acutal "ninja-to"

No, I actually own a ninja-to.

Oh and about the Turtles' weapons, why the hell do Donatello and Michelangelo have bandages over their bo and nunchaku? that's pretty damn pointless if you ask me.

For gripping traction and balance. Same reason baseball bats are wrapped or bandaged around the handle.

well, i doubt you mean me cuz i barely participated in this topic, i never said "hey, sais are really sharp and pointy" i don't really say stuff i'm not sure about, cuz i haven't read most of the mirages, and by the way you reply you do sound like you were correcting everybody, with you "correct" information *chuckles*

That is because I am correcting the people in question. They are spewing false information, and I am correcting it. Its not a crime. Deal with it.

[Bowser_Koopa]

ok .........heretetic almighty wisdom himself, geez....voltrom is right is no good posting in the tmnt related forums.....

[heretic888]

ok .........heretetic almighty wisdom himself, geez....voltrom is right is no good posting in the tmnt related forums.....


*chuckles* I suppose that depends on how good you are on having views of yours questioned. You seem to have a problem with truth and accuracy. I suggest you deal with it.

[Bowser_Koopa]

no, actually i just said the dracula thing, you're "correcting" other people, you just started quoting me when i said pizza face was right

[Savanti Romero]

[quote="heretic888"][quote]
Try and keep an open mind.

quote]

Ok I will. It seems as though you don't sometimes. When someone presents information in this forum, you correct it. Lots of your information is very useful and benefits me to know. At times, you seem to give info just to contradict somone. You automatically assume your information is correct and other info is wrong. That isn't exactly open mindeness, is it? Or maybe you could correct my definition of an open mind.

[Ninjatron]

They banned naunchakus? Not katanas? I hope they banned some weapons a little worse than them, like maybe guns!
Nunchuks ARE worse than katanas.

Beyond that, they have/had a gang connection.

Sayonara.

How'd you come to that conclusion? While some people have had suffered a broken jaw from nunchakus, many have been decapitated by katanas, or any other sword for that reason.
Like this:
It takes approx. 8 pounds of presure to break a human bone.
A pair of nunchucks in the hands of a master can potentialy generate approx. 80 pounds of presure.
Do the math. I don't know about you, but given the choice I'd much rather be run through with a sword than have my skull bashed to bits.

Aside from that, gangs use nunchucks. Not swords. So in some circles showing nunchucks on a children's show is glorifiying gang lifestyle. Not saying that I agree with that, but that's the way some people think.

That's why Mikey didn't use nunchucks on The Next Mutation. He used tonfas, which I think are pretty cool weapons. (By the way, if me saying this causes this thread to become another whiny "I hate The Next Mutation thread, I'll have to destroy you all).

Sayonara.

[Dinny]

Back on topic:

Ninja wasnt a banned word, it was just that at the time, there was a ninja street gang in London and they didnt want to glorify ninjas, which is very stupid 'cause things like that are happening all the time, and loadsa cartoons are to do with kung-fu.

[Pizza Face]

Since heretic acutally owns a real live honest to goodness ninja-to, they he must be right about everything. sorry to contradict you friend.

[heretic888]

no, actually i just said the dracula thing, you're "correcting" other people, you just started quoting me when i said pizza face was right

*shrugs* Sure, if you say so.

Ok I will. It seems as though you don't sometimes. When someone presents information in this forum, you correct it.

That is because most of the "information" you are referring to is wrong. I'm sorry, but contrary to the contentions of extreme postmodernism, just because you believe something doesn't make it empirically true.

Lots of your information is very useful and benefits me to know. At times, you seem to give info just to contradict somone.

No, I give out correct facts to correct misinformation.

This isn't some nebulous or controversial "Is there a God??" debate here. Its simple history. Sai are not sharpened. The design for Leonardo's swords (based on length and the design of the tsuba) is that of a ninja-to. Ninja can't hold their breath for four hours.

If you have a problem with all of this, then you very simply have a problem with reality.

You automatically assume your information is correct and other info is wrong.

No, I know from firsthand experience my information is correct. Most of the information spouted on here comes from misconceptions and fictional sources.

That isn't exactly open mindeness, is it? Or maybe you could correct my definition of an open mind.

*shrugs* Depends on your definition, really.

Your definition of having an "open mind" seems to really be "no one is more 'right' or 'correct' than another, there are no 'facts' in the world. Thus, no one can tell me what to do for I cannot be 'wrong' about anything". I hate to break this to you but, as a psychology major, that entire view reaks of egotism (i.e. "NOBODY CAN TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!" because "I AM ALWAYS RIGHT!!" --- pure narcissism through and through).

If you actually think I'm wrong about the ninja-to or sai, I suggest providing sources that say the contrary instead of whining about how I'm hurting your little egocentric feelings.

Like this:
It takes approx. 8 pounds of presure to break a human bone.
A pair of nunchucks in the hands of a master can potentialy generate approx. 80 pounds of presure.
Do the math. I don't know about you, but given the choice I'd much rather be run through with a sword than have my skull bashed to bits.


He's got a point. Chain weapons *can be* visciously more effective than blades. It depends on the person, though, really.

Since heretic acutally owns a real live honest to goodness ninja-to, they he must be right about everything. sorry to contradict you friend.

No, I do not claim (nor have I ever claimed) to be "right" about "everything". But, I am right about this. Deal with it.

[Bowser_Koopa]

no, actually i just said the dracula thing, you're "correcting" other people, you just started quoting me when i said pizza face was right

*shrugs* Sure, if you say so.

i don't debate about mirage cuz i don't own any mirage comics, they don't get here, i never said you were wrong or right, and chill out man, you don't have to quote everybody for every single reason, i just said i agreed with pizza face now let it go *chuckles*

[heretic888]

i never said you were wrong or right, and chill out man, you don't have to quote everybody for every single reason, i just said i agreed with pizza face now let it go *chuckles*

Actually, I can do whatever I damn well please.

And, if I feel the need to correct some of the incorrect horsecrap spewing from people's keyboards, then rest assured I will.

[Bowser_Koopa]

good for you, now that we know t¡you own the world, let it go

[heretic888]

:roll:

Such fragile egos.....

[Bowser_Koopa]

hey i'm not the one whos always trying to "prove" he is right, you should look at this forum, general tmnt discussion is full of you crap, take a rest

[Voltron]

Michaelangelo has a cool orange mask

Actually, it was more of a tangerine.:lol:

[heretic888]

hey i'm not the one whos always trying to "prove" he is right, you should look at this forum, general tmnt discussion is full of you crap, take a rest

This makes the arrogant and unfounded assumption that I am trying to "prove" anything. A claim, I might add, for which you have no evidence to substantiate in the slightest degree.

We are discussing topics I am interested in. If I see information that I think is erroneous or incorrect, then I simply offer what I believe to be more accurate info and why I believe so.

You seem to have some problem that people (namely yourself) are not always right. Deal with it. It happens.

[Voltron]

Can't we all just get along?

Look, heretic, someone saw sais being used as sharp objects. The fact is, the sais in question were sharp. It's a fact and while generally speaking you are right, specifically speaking he is correct. Ok? Problem solved.

[Bowser_Koopa]

you seem to alwayspoint out everybody's defects, but you never look at your owns, i just said i agreed with pizza face and you started all this argue. i would like you not to criticize me basing on a few posts because you don't really know me, now can we move on? keep this topic going on, you win, happy? just post about other things, let this die here and now for everybody's sake

[heretic888]

*chuckles* Actually, I lost any real interest about five posts ago. :wink:

I've just been tagging along to see you sweat. Great fun. :lol:

[Voltron]

*chuckles* Actually, I lost any real interest about five posts ago. :wink:

I've just been tagging along to see you sweat. Great fun. :lol:

:lol: This is why I never post here anymore

[Bowser_Koopa]

thats really nice of you what a great person you are! not only stubborn but also nice aww........ :wink:

[Duke]

Heretic, you should just stop as you say it "correcting false information." Unless your real name is Kevin Eastman or Peter Laird (and you are way to uncool to be either of them) you should just stop arguing that leo's swords are not katanas. You have no authority in the realm of TMNT. If Peter or Kevin had given leo a rubber chicken and called it a katana, then it is a katana. And that's the bottom line.

[heretic888]

*chuckles* :roll:

Sorry, duke, but that's not the way the world works.

[Savanti Romero]

Heretic, you should just stop as you say it "correcting false information." Unless your real name is Kevin Eastman or Peter Laird (and you are way to uncool to be either of them) you should just stop arguing that leo's swords are not katanas. You have no authority in the realm of TMNT. If Peter or Kevin had given leo a rubber chicken and called it a katana, then it is a katana. And that's the bottom line.

I'm with you Duke, Heretic you are not a genious. If you were I doubt you would be on this forum in the first place. You would be giving your "correct information" to world renowned scientists or something. And how do you know with out a doubt on some of these historical events? Were you there? You would probably be more interesting to listen to if you had invented a time machine to learn all this info "first hand." I'm thinking this must mean you were there when a sai and katana were named. That would be first hand to Know this info without a doubt. Could you tell me the date and time they were named please? When I asked you if you might be able to correct my definition of an open mind I was being sarcastic.

[Kali]

Man, I don't believe I'm about to say this but... Stop picking on Heretic.

You may not like him, but he has every right to post what he wants. He hasn't broken any rules lately. Whether you people like it or not, he knows his stuff. And I know it too. It's called research.

If you don't want to argue with him, then don't argue!

[Reznorite420]

Do I hear an android body walking this way?

[Savanti Romero]

I don't want to argue, but Heretic is not all knowing.

[Kali]

I don't want to argue, but Heretic is not all knowing.
I never said he was. HE never said he was. But he does know a very great deal about martial arts, weapons, and the like. He does his research.

[Bowser_Koopa]

i didn't want to argue, i actually told him to drop it a few times, and just insulted my ego, and kept it going on

[Duke]

Man, I don't believe I'm about to say this but... Stop picking on Heretic.

You may not like him, but he has every right to post what he wants. He hasn't broken any rules lately. Whether you people like it or not, he knows his stuff. And I know it too. It's called research.Yes, i agree. I wasn't trying to pick on him, i was just stating that my opinion differed from his. If Kevin or Peter had given leo a fork and called it a katana, then no one should want to dispute them. IMHO, it would be a katana, not in the real world but in their own comic books they have the right to do what they want. Sorry, if you thought I was arguing but i was just responding to heretic with my opinion.

[Lisardo]

I have some 'Hero Turtles' eps on avi that I downloaded. And being used to the American version, it was weird to see how Mikey's chucks were deliberately taken out, or censored out. Or small scenes were cut when he was using them *trust me I know the show that well, episode by epidsode* Of course I also recorded most of the ep's on USA when they were still running it, but you know the notorous USA Network liked to cut out little scenes here and there (not censored out tho, they did it to save time). So when I got all the eps on avi, some were American (ninja turtles), some were European (hero turtles). And of course since this person who made these avi's was lucky enuff not to record the show from USA Network, all the cut scenes that USA Network cut out were in them. But at teh same time, on some of the Hero TUrtles eps I got, had the 'chuck' scenes and utterances of the word 'ninja' cut out. So its like trading a headache for an upset stomach. But at least somewhere I'm able to see both versions of the show with the USA Network-cut scenes, and with the all the 'chucks' and words of 'ninja.'

[The Big Bad]

Just to add fuel to the fire, I have to say I agree with Heretic about the sais. They're just not practical stabbing weapons (although they can be used for that purpose, as Raph has repeatedly proven). The two side prongs make the thrusting necessary to stab harder, can actually prevent the main prong from doing it properly, and make the weapon harder to retrieve after stabbing, making doing so dangerous in battle. Slashing, on the other hand, is out of the question. The weapon has no sharp end which it can do that.

Now that that's been said, that makes Leo the only one in the new cartoon who can't use his weapon properly (thanks to the big bad sensors), and whatdaya know? He has, in a big way. Cool.

BTW, first post.

[Savanti Romero]

I went and saw some real sais at this weapon store in my mall and they were dull as well. I wanted to buy them, but as usual, I don't have money for that kinda stuff. :(