Emma Stone to star in Disney's 'Cruella'

[ranger_scout]

Following the success of Maleficent, Disney is working on an origin story of another classic Disney villain, Cruella de Vil. Oscar winner Emma Stone is set to portray the iconic character in the film, which will be set in the punk era of the 1980's. Right now I, Tonya director is in talks to helm the picture. I don't think there needs to be another film about Cruella, but Stone is a fantastic actress. She does have big shoes to fill because Glenn Close did an outstanding job playing the character in 101 Dalmatians and 102 Dalmatians.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/disneys-cruella-de-vil-movie-gets-director-1166394

[ProactiveMan]

Let me guess, she was pushed into a life of puppy skinning self obsession by some meanie and so her tyrannical behavior isn't really her fault.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Let me guess, she was pushed into a life of puppy skinning self obsession by some meanie and so her tyrannical behavior isn't really her fault.

It was her husband's fault.

Or her father's.

[Utrommaniac]

So...this is live-action movies Cruella? The same one who responded to Anita's pregnancy (and her dog's pregnancy) by suggesting it was an accident? (Well...certainly unplanned, but not unwelcomed).


But yeah, Maleficent was a questionable enough villain to make "sympathetic". It's the reason why Team Starkid made "Twisted" (though I would rather watch a theatrical version of that than this).
And even in that, the other "misunderstood villains of stories" could not comprehend Cruella!
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I could see a movie about Ursula working. Or Captain Hook. But leave the "curses a baby because she wasn't invited to a party" and "wants a coat made out of dogs so badly she'll have some of them stolen out of her employee's home, right after she's already had a white tiger poached from inside a zoo" villains outside of sympathetic light. Of course, it wasn't just the spots that she was so enamored with, but how soft puppy fur is. I'm pretty sure in the live action she did try to go after Perdita first until she realized that her fur was coarse and inflexible. But y'know...still going after her friend and employee's pet and insulting her every life choice along the way from marriage to parenthood.
"Banished to the outskirts of the kingdom by a ruler who may or may not be her brother" and "trapped on a magic island pestered by a violent prepubescent boy who adamantly refuses to become an adult and cuts off his hand as a prank" (good way to hit closer to the sadist that is book!Peter).


Some characters are better off truly being villains. And even when you add the sympathetic edges, you can't deviate from the path.



Also once again, Disney is preferring to make a live action movie over an animated movie. Great.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I'm not at all a fan of the modern approach of, "All 'villains' are really just misunderstood'." It's nonsense. Some people are simply Bad People, and if you don't believe that, you really need to meet more people.

By all means, though, let's try and find empathy for the woman who wants to skin puppies an' sh*t. :lol: Other movies do it too, but it's just... I know a lot of "Bad People", some of them since birth, and they were always like that. Stop giving kids the idea that it's all just a matter of perspective.

[Candy Kappa]

In Maleficent's case, she isn't evil per se, she's just a Fey. And when the King invited everyone to the christening except her, of course she reacted as she did. The movie should have centered around the trauma of not being invited :lol:

Glenn Close just is Cruella de Vil to me, but I think Emma Stone can pull it off. Hopefully they'll fool us after Maleficent and have a movie about a ambitious woman that's just bad from the start.

[Utrommaniac]

Yeah, you don't really need that much more story on her than that. Especially when she had previously been, and gleefully been, malicious. The fact that they tried to make her story have an analogue for rape was, shall I say, making a thematic fetish out of other people's trauma. And yeah, while I get that people related...that was the wrong fvcking story to tell it with.


And...then there's the fact that they basically had to knock down the competence of the Three Good Fairies, who in my opinion, were the true stars of Sleeping Beauty. They were the most active, they had the most lines, they did the most to change things for the story, they realized they made mistakes. They may have bickered among each other, but...that's just a classic housemates situation.

(And when your name is MALEFICENT (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/maleficent), where else can you go?)

Just freakin' let her be an scary elegant green lady who fvcks around with people for fun and then shows what she's made of when she's slighted.


I feel like to some extent, it was trying to ride the Wicked hype train several years too late. And didn't even quite do it right.


There's some point where I hope that Cruella could just have been bad from the start, but there's no way. They have to give her a "sad and sympathetic backstory uwu "

[ranger_scout]

After it was reported that this will be an 80's punk rock origin story I immediately remembered something. In the Glenn Close film, after Cruella saw Anita's drawings of a spotted fur coat, she said that she did leopard spots in the 80's. If this is going to be a prequel to the 1996 film, I'd imagine we're going to see what gave Cruella the idea to do that for her fashion line. Maybe she had a horrible experience with a leopard.

https://insidethemagic.net/2018/12/emma-stones-cruella-de-vil-movie-to-be-an-80s-punk-rock-origin-story/

[ranger_scout]

There's a report saying that production is going to begin this summer and it could be released in 2020, which is the same year as Mulan and Maleficent II. A brief synopsis has been released that reveals Cruella's real name.

"Estella (Cruella De Vil) lives on the streets of 1980s London with other hoodlums, where we learn the real origins behind Estella's hatred of Dalmatians."

Disney's 'Cruella' to Reportedly Start Production This Summer (https://comicbook.com/movies/2019/02/19/disney-cruella-live-action-movie-summer-production-start/)

[Andrew NDB]

Let me guess, she was pushed into a life of puppy skinning self obsession by some meanie and so her tyrannical behavior isn't really her fault.

It was her husband's fault.

Or her father's.

Yeah. Evil white males, no matter what it ends up being.

[Krutch]

"Estella (Cruella De Vil) lives on the streets of 1980s London with other hoodlums, where we learn the real origins behind Estella's hatred of Dalmatians."

This sentence made me laugh. What, is her family going to be mauled to death by a group of rabid Dalmatians?

...

Actually, that'd be kind of awesome.

[ProactiveMan]

I didn't think she hated Dalmatians... didn't she just want to make a spotty fur coat?

[sdp]

We already have a live action 101 Dalmatians by Disney, I know since I watched it as a little kid.

[Leo656]

"I'll take 'Answers To Questions Nobody Asked' for $500, Alex."

F*cking Disney. :lol:

[Utrommaniac]

...Yeah, the continuing trend of completely missing the point of their own characters.

[drgon78]

Please can these live action versions of their animated films just keep bombing so they can stop making them.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

"I'll take 'Answers To Questions Nobody Asked' for $500, Alex."

F*cking Disney. :lol:


You mean questions like "Why is Cruella such a heartless, abusive b***h?" Hmm, would be interesting to find out.

[Andrew NDB]

1. Daddy only paid attention to their dalmation growing up, and probably beat on mommy.

2. Some mean person has a bunch of dalmations, and extorts protection money from daddy and/or mommy. One day daddy/mommy can't pay, so they kill one or both of them.

3. Roaming dalmations cause some kind of trouble for her.

[Sumac]

This sentence made me laugh. What, is her family going to be mauled to death by a group of rabid Dalmatians?
The only reason to watch the movie. :lol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

1. Daddy only paid attention to their dalmation growing up, and probably beat on mommy.

2. Some mean person has a bunch of dalmations, and extorts protection money from daddy and/or mommy. One day daddy/mommy can't pay, so they kill one or both of them.

3. Roaming dalmations cause some kind of trouble for her.


How about no to all of the above? Honestly, it was NEVER about the Dalmatians themselves, it was about their FUR. As with every other animal hide she adored. She was crazy for furs- but WHY? What made her so obsessed with furs? And why was she so willing to go to those extremes to get them? Those are questions worth answering, at least. She never hated the dogs- they were just a means to an end.
She only ended up hating them in the end after they outsmarted her.

For the record, the animated movie was actually based on a book of the same name. But in the book, there were actually THREE adult dogs, Pongo, his mate, and Perdita was actually another female they had adopted to help nurse the litter after she had lost hers. There is also much more in the book about Horace and Jasper, that was ignored in the film, like that they were murderers as well as thieves. Cruella herself was far more criminal too. I'd like to think this movie might actually dig into some of that material.

[Leo656]

I'm very inclined to believe that "She was a bitch" was more than enough to suffice as "explanation" for most people. Especially the target audience of 3-to-9 year olds.

It's like, you go into "Oz, The Great and Powerful", and now the Witch is infinitely LESS interesting than she was before. I'm generally not a fan of these things. At least when they try and ascribe "epic backstories" to what is ostensibly children's entertainment, and doubly when they try and make you empathize with the villains. They're villains!

It's a far cry short of finding out that Big Boss was secretly the HERO of the Metal Gear Saga all along, rather than the villain, is what I'm saying. Most often all you do is lose the mystique.

[Utrommaniac]

I mean, even Wicked tried in both versions. But even that was being written because the author was more butthurt about the Wicked Witch being seemingly pure evil.


And Maleficent did an even worse job. I'd say "we don't talk about Maleficent", but that's unavoidable.

There's a reason why Twisted (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-77cUxba-aA) exists, and that's to make fun of this very concept...while also telling a better story than those.
And even during this scene, of all the villains telling "their" side of the story, they all found Cruella indefensible.
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"They're babies!"
"Why would you do that?!"

But Defying Gravity, man...

[Leo656]

Good call.

My wife is a big fan of "Wicked" and "Maleficent" and all that. BUT, she too is an evil witch with a Persecuted Victim complex, so I personally believe that the viewer's own psychological profile has a direct correlation to what they take away from these things. :trazz:

[ProactiveMan]

Entrepreneurial young fashion designer voted off the first week of Project Runway for controversial use of real fur. She becomes embittered over unreasonable social morays surrounding the tanning of domestic dogs, and the fact that she blew Harvey Winestein for no reason.

[ranger_scout]

Clearly Disney liked what Craig Gillespie did for someone who universally despised by the public in Neon's I, Tonya and want him to try to the same for an iconic villain like Cruella de Vil. Mostly everyone viewed Tonya Harding as a villain, but Gillespie wanted people to at least know that her life was very tough growing up and she might not have been as bad as we thought and show at least a little bit of sympathy for her. I never liked Harding as a person, but if that was what her early life was like then that's too bad. Cruella has always been a uniquely entertaining villain and it's going to be strange to try to make feel bad for her.

[ranger_scout]

Nicole Kidman is reportedly being eyed to play a Baroness who is responsible for turning Cruella into the villainous character we all known her as.

https://movieweb.com/cruella-movie-nicole-kidman-villain-disney/

[Utrommaniac]

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Nicole Kidman is reportedly being eyed to play a Baroness who is responsible for turning Cruella into the villainous character we all known her as.

https://movieweb.com/cruella-movie-nicole-kidman-villain-disney/

Not the husband or the father? Seriously?

Damn. Points for creativity, I guess?

[Utrommaniac]

This is Disney, she's probably a step mother :P

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Or a mentor, maybe? With a highly questionable sense of ethics?

[ranger_scout]

Cruella wants to get her new movie done literally "if it takes till next Christmas". It's scheduled for release of December 23, 2020.

Cruella Release Date and Details for Emma Stone Disney Film (https://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/cruella/260736/cruella-release-date-emma-stone-disney)

[ranger_scout]

Emma Thompson is actually in talks for the part that Nicole Kidman had been the front-runner for.

Emma Thompson in talks to star in Emma Stone's Cruella movie (https://ew.com/movies/2019/05/14/emma-thompson-cruella-movie/)

[sdp]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71z22NIiqvL._SL1199_.jpg

[ranger_scout]

Paul Walter Hauser (BlackKkKlansman) and Joel Fry (Game of Thrones) have joined the film as Horace and Jasper, respectively.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/paul-walter-hauser-joining-emma-stone-cruella-1227660

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/disney-cruella-joel-fry-emma-stone-1203295464/

[ranger_scout]

Here's the first official look.

https://i.ibb.co/pbQwj2X/cruella.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

https://deadline.com/2019/08/cruella-first-photo-emma-stone-101-dalmatian-spinoff-1202703533/

Earlier this month, Disney postponed the release till Memorial Day Weekend 2021 to avoid competition with Stephen Spielberg's remake of West Side Story . I also think that Aladdin's having a stellar opening around that time might've played a part in that decision. Interestingly, that year also marks the 60th anniversary of the original animated movie as well as the 25th anniversary of the remake starring Glenn Close.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cruella-moves-memorial-day-2021-women-window-pushed-1233375

[Papenbrook]

I'm digging the punk-esque sweater vest.

Otherwise, I'm not interested in viewing a film that'll try to sympathize with an animal abuser.

[AT-Man]

When do we get a movie about how Baroness turned evil? How about how the one who turned Baroness evil, was turned evil? Eventually we'll get to the root of all evil. But who turned them evil?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

When do we get a movie about how Baroness turned evil? How about how the one who turned Baroness evil, was turned evil? Eventually we'll get to the root of all evil. But who turned them evil?

Mickey Mouse, and his accursed lust for riches and material wealth.

[Utrommaniac]

Was I supposed to know Steven Spielberg was remaking West Side Story, or did I just find out about that on a thread about useless Disney villain backstory?

[ranger_scout]

Here are photos of Cruella before her evil transformation into the character we all know.

https://i.ibb.co/crMnpx8/8-CF42460-6212-46-A4-BC61-F4-C9-FA873245.jpg (https://ibb.co/d51Y37p)

https://i.ibb.co/rbX12h1/8-F01-D13-A-23-C7-4930-BA48-0-AC8-A7-AD0-C82.jpg (https://ibb.co/z8t0Vg0)

https://i.ibb.co/DWQv1ZD/993-EE691-3-AA1-4-C38-B748-3-D52-F5-D0901-B.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

https://thedisinsider.com/2019/09/02/emma-stone-on-cruella-set-with-bright-red-hair/



Also,

Jasper and Horace are apparently up to no good.

https://i.ibb.co/nrSs5jz/747-C80-DD-2-FB7-403-E-80-F2-1-B4074-F97-FB6.jpg (https://ibb.co/8MVDS96)

https://i.ibb.co/6F3BFGD/C2-CFA8-E8-B5-AF-456-F-93-E6-D6865857-AB5-B.jpg (https://ibb.co/kXR1Xzq)

https://i.ibb.co/c2TmZrz/CF458289-01-B3-4-E3-F-89-B1-71-CACC72-C822.jpg (https://ibb.co/xz54B7V)

https://thedisinsider.com/2019/09/06/jasper-and-horace-set-photos-cruella/

[ranger_scout]

Emily Beecham who won the 2019 Cannes Award for Best Actress (Little Joe) will have a part in this movie.

https://deadline.com/2019/09/cruella-cannes-best-actress-winner-emily-beecham-joins-disney-live-action-prequel-with-emma-stone-1202739455/

[ranger_scout]

Why Women Kill's Kirby Howell-Baptiste has landed a role in the film.

https://deadline.com/2019/09/why-women-kill-kirby-howell-baptiste-disney-cruella-1202744004/

[ranger_scout]

Last week the latest description of the movie was released.



Before she becomes Cruella de Vil?


Teenaged Estella has a dream. She wishes to become a fashion designer, having been gifted with talent, innovation, and ambition all in equal measures. But life seems intent on making sure her dreams never come true. Having wound up penniless and orphaned in London at twelve, four years later Estella runs wild through the city streets with her best friends and partners-in-(petty)-crime, Horace and Jasper, two amateur thieves. When a chance encounter vaults Estella into the world of the young rich and famous, however, she begins to question the existence she’s built for herself in London and wonders whether she might, indeed, be destined for more after all. When an up-and-coming rockstar commissions Estella to design him a signature piece, she begins to feel as though she has truly arrived. But what is the cost of keeping up with the fast crowd– and is it a price Estella is willing to pay?



https://insidethemagic.net/2020/10/cruella-movie-new-details-kj1/

[Shark_Blade]

Why does this sounds so much like Katy Keene? :lol:

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[ranger_scout]

Here is the first poster. The trailer debuts tomorrow.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSoQSIJYn7FT9VHHYmZ04LRcM3FgsKL1 xi-jQ&usqp=CAU

https://ew.com/movies/disney-cruella-movie-poster-emma-stone-image/

A book based on the film is also being published.

https://d1ldy8a769gy68.cloudfront.net/300/978/136/805/776/9/9781368057769.jpg

https://thedisinsider.com/2020/11/13/cruella-prequel-novel-hello-cruel-heart-coming-in-2021/

[neatoman]

Hm, turns out that when an animator can't intentionally make the character ugly, the look actually pretty hot.

[Sumac]

She looks like a glam rocker from the 80s.

[ZariusTwo]

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[sdp]

A new harley quinn movie.

[Shark_Blade]

I expect no less from Academy Award Winning Actress Emma Stone.

[Sumac]

I expect no less from Academy Award Winning Actress Emma Stone.
https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-21-2018/m0XfSQ.gif

[Autbot_Benz]

Its Disney's Joker :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

We live in a society where quality from Disney is a distant memory.

[AquaParade]

I don't think you can come anywhere near "Joker" under Disney, but that was instantly cemented in as the shorthand for this movie and probably won't die anytime soon.

[ranger_scout]

Here is the new trailer.

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[ranger_scout]

The film is heading to theaters and on Disney+ the same day with Premier Access.

Disney Shifts ‘Black Widow’ & ‘Cruella’ To Day & Date Release In Theaters And Disney+, Jarring Summer Box Office (https://deadline.com/2021/03/black-widow-cruella-disney-plus-theaters-day-and-date-release-1234720116/)

[frank_one]

That trailer is so... irritating.

[ranger_scout]

Here's what the hybrid release of this movie along with Black Widow's means to exhibitors.

Disney’s Day-And-Date ‘Black Widow’ & ‘Cruella’ Decision Creates Aftershock In Industry Aching For Box Office Normalcy (https://deadline.com/2021/03/black-widow-release-date-cruella-disney-plus-box-office-impact-1234720390/)

It will also be the second live-action film based on a Disney cartoon to receive a PG-13 rating after Mulan.


Why Disney's Cruella With Emma Stone Will Be PG-13 (https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2564487/why-disneys-cruella-with-emma-stone-will-be-pg-13)

[ranger_scout]

Its Disney's Joker :lol:

I don't think you can come anywhere near "Joker" under Disney, but that was instantly cemented in as the shorthand for this movie and probably won't die anytime soon.

Well, Emma Stone and the film's director actually believe this movie is different from Joker.

https://ew.com/movies/emma-stone-cruella-joker-comparisons/

Nicholas Britell is also going to serve as the movie's composer.

https://thedisinsider.com/2021/03/31/nicholas-britell-to-score-cruella/

[ranger_scout]

Disney has released another trailer.

Emma Stone's Cruella claws (and heels) come out in kickass new trailer (https://ew.com/movies/cruella-trailer-emma-stone-disney-plus/)

[ranger_scout]

Just in case no one saw the last trailer, here is the Youtube video.

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Also, this new poster makes it seem like Disney really wants to channel Harley Quinn.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS9Vy51NhRIdHY_Ui6OgrIu0glshTTww yYg0A&usqp=CAU

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvWHLTBJgqIpmpHjnmI07w3A4lall9-w9sjHndG91LyvXXB1LngBp-ii5_zBYSWLo9KaE&usqp=CAU

[Leo656]

:lol: Pretty clearly. Dumb.

[ranger_scout]

Here are details on the various outfits that Cruella will wear throughout the movie.

Creating Cruella: Behind the seams of the high-fashion film's punk rock look (https://ew.com/movies/cruella-movie-fashion-behind-the-seams/)

Disney also released a new TV spot.

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[ranger_scout]

The original live-action Cruella, Glenn Close, wants to do another movie with her playing the part and she has an idea for it.

https://ew.com/movies/glenn-close-cruella-de-vil-sequel-idea/

[Andrew NDB]

Watched about 2 thirds of it. Just plain wasn't feeling it. It isn't because of SJW stuff or anything. It's just super "safe" and inoffensive when it should have been a little risqué, I think. I mean, you make an origin movie for a woman that famously relishes in killing dogs but you don't really delve into that (or just barely)? Why, then? And nobody is so much as even smoking cigarettes in the *60s*?? Also when that's Cruella's whole thing? Maybe this should have been made around 2002. Or no need to bother.

[Sumac]

Well, another hallmark of modern sanitized era: you can't make protagonist even remotely controversial or usual headless suspects will scream that protagonist teaches audience something bad. Even, if that's the point of the story or / and protagonist overcomes their negative points.

Those lunatics can't see difference between reality and fiction. Or understand something deeper than childish stories with purely good and bad characters. Truly infantile debils.

[sdp]

Well the no smoking thing is ridiculous but has been a thing for like two decades at least. It sucks isnce it does give characters certain characteristics. At least the late 90s live action movie did have cruella smoking

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/68/2d/d4/682dd493c166206e7f5263452ee6b219.jpg

[ranger_scout]

I went to see this film in a theater on Saturday with my brother and best friend. I thought it was an even more entertaining and clever origin story than Maleficent. Emma Stone and Emma Thompson were perfectly cast in their parts. I also thought Horace and Jasper were amusing characters. For most of the film, it seemed that Mark Strong’s character was pointless, but without giving away too much he actually does some important things.

The Baroness being Cruella’s actual mother made perfect sense. At the end when Cruella got the whistle I was expecting an exact repeat of the episode of Once Upon a Time where Cruella ordered the dogs to kill her mother, but they didn’t because you are supposed to be rooting for Cruella. So, instead the Baroness is exposed to everyone is framed for killing Estella.

I don’t know if there’s going to be a sequel, but I just don’t see Cruella wanting to make fur coats out of Dalmatians even after giving Anita and Roger Perdita and Pongo. She did even make a coat out the ones the Baroness originally owned.

[ZariusTwo]

What a load of drivel.

Either commit to a serious origin story that leaves no room for a known villain's 'redeeming' qualities, or don't make one. Women can be d*cks too.

[Slade]

Saw this up on Disney+. Seen it had a 30 dollar price tag. Decided against it.
From what I've read here. Glad I did.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Went to see it Friday while waiting for hubby after my Dr visit, and was actually surprised by how un-kiddy this was. No singing, very little goofiness, and kinda dark, imho. Horace and Jasper were even halfway competent as characters, and Estella/Cruella herself was fantastic! I've seen some comparisons to Joker, and I can kind of see why, but her quest for revenge being the main plot and character point seems pretty accurate for her. The fashion world aspect definitely will go over the heads of most kids, and the background of Estella makes it definitely more of an adult-oriented movie.

Overall, I loved it. I still don't quite get how she goes from a dog-owner/lover to- well, killing puppies, but I love how she transforms from the mousey girl to the flamboyant diva. And those outfits! My goddess, the costume designer deserves an Oscar. And every other costume award out there. Brilliant use of colors, materials, and concepts. Also, setting it at the beginning of London's punk scene was an interesting choice. Genius!

[Leo656]

I still don't quite get how she goes from a dog-owner/lover to- well, killing puppies

I've only read about it - no way I'm ever watching this thing - but based on the stuff I've read there's no way this is "canon" with the original 101 Dalmatians. This is some kinda tangent universe where Cruella is some kind of misunderstood anti-hero/victim of circumstance; no way this same character later morphs into a murderous puppy-skinning dog-napper for whatever flimsy reason.

Just what the world needed, a "101 Dalmatians" Multiverse. :lol: F*cking Disney, man.

[TigerClaw]

I've only read about it - no way I'm ever watching this thing - but based on the stuff I've read there's no way this is "canon" with the original 101 Dalmatians. This is some kinda tangent universe where Cruella is some kind of misunderstood anti-hero/victim of circumstance; no way this same character later morphs into a murderous puppy-skinning dog-napper for whatever flimsy reason.

Just what the world needed, a "101 Dalmatians" Multiverse. :lol: F*cking Disney, man.
You can say the same thing about the Maleficent movies, They turned her into an anti-hero in those movies.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I've only read about it - no way I'm ever watching this thing - but based on the stuff I've read there's no way this is "canon" with the original 101 Dalmatians. This is some kinda tangent universe where Cruella is some kind of misunderstood anti-hero/victim of circumstance; no way this same character later morphs into a murderous puppy-skinning dog-napper for whatever flimsy reason.

Just what the world needed, a "101 Dalmatians" Multiverse. :lol: F*cking Disney, man.

Oh, she was plenty murderous, alright. Almost committed murder herself here. Had her first taste of dog-napping, too. The fact she didn't actually go through with killing them (which it was even implied she had for a bit) is just more a matter of how far she was willing to go. Like she hadn't quite crossed that line YET. But was thoroughly on her way to embracing that sadistic side. Anti-hero? Hardly. She fully admits to being bad, and makes no excuses or apologies. She even revels in it. She just hadn't quite gone THAT far. (Again, she HAD a dog, and even ended up with the ones she stole!)

[Andrew NDB]

Oh, she was plenty murderous, alright. Almost committed murder herself here.

Almost committing murder isn't anything. And it wasn't even that. She never even contemplated murder in this.

Had her first taste of dog-napping, too. The fact she didn't actually go through with killing them (which it was even implied she had for a bit)

Only in the sense that we've all seen 101 Dalmations and expect that the next scene after Young Cruella kidnaps the dogs that arguably killed her mother... would be the dogs getting snuffed out. It never happens and isn't so much as alluded to.

[Coola Yagami]

Would they even allow dog murder in today's 'PETA will file a complaint' world?

I did hear some of the Twitter crazies try hard to make this movie their feminist Joker movie.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Almost committing murder isn't anything. And it wasn't even that. She never even contemplated murder in this.


Only in the sense that we've all seen 101 Dalmations and expect that the next scene after Young Cruella kidnaps the dogs that arguably killed her mother... would be the dogs getting snuffed out. It never happens and isn't so much as alluded to.


Are you sure we were watching the same movie? She almost called the dogs on their own owner! Or did you not wonder why she swiped the whistle? Just because she changed her mind and didn't go through with it doesn't mean she didn't contemplate it. She absolutely did. And yeah it WAS implicitly stated both by the Baroness and by the media (newspaper headlines) that they thought she HAD "turned them into a coat"! And her orders to Jasper to get the (spoiler) out of the dog any way he had to was pretty much meant to make it seem like they did, since she shows up in the spotted coat at the party in the very next scene. Wasn't hard to figure out that it was intended to show that everyone was supposed to THINK she did!

[ranger_scout]

There are already plans for a sequel.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/cruella-2-sequel-disney-emma-stone-1234963423/

[CyberCubed]

I'm watching the movie right now on 2x speed, and this is some dull movie. It feels like they're trying to make a british version of the Princess Diaries or something, with Cruella being a part-time thief like Catwoman.

Even the 2x speed option isn't saving this. I can't imagine sitting through this 2h and 17 minute movie at normal speed.

[ranger_scout]

After Scarlett Johansson sued Disney for the hybrid theatrical and Disney+ Premier Access of Black Widow, Emma Stone is considering doing the same thing since this movie had the same kind of release.

https://thedisinsider.com/2021/07/30/emma-stone-weighing-legal-options-following-scarjo-suit-against-disney/

[ranger_scout]

Emma Stone must've realized that since Scarlett Johannson is probably going to lose her lawsuit, she would too if she filed one. She just sealed the deal with Disney to star in Cruella 2.

https://deadline.com/2021/08/emma-stone-cruella-sequel-deal-scarlett-johansson-lawsuit-disney-1234814551/

[Andrew NDB]

Emma Stone must've realized that since Scarlett Johannson is probably going to lose her lawsuit, she would too if she filed one.

That's a pretty stupid conclusion to come to. If anything they signed her quickly for Cruella 2 (btw... yuck!) to keep them in her good graces. It wasn't like Disney was offering Scarlett "Black Widow 2" or anything at all, really (more like: "I hope you had fun starring in the Black Widow movie... because it is the last time probably you will ever play the part!" -- not a great position from which to expect her not to sue you).

[Sumac]

Quite sad.
I wanted to see Disney being hurt. At least a little.

[ranger_scout]

That's a pretty stupid conclusion to come to. If anything they signed her quickly for Cruella 2 (btw... yuck!) to keep them in her good graces. It wasn't like Disney was offering Scarlett "Black Widow 2" or anything at all, really (more like: "I hope you had fun starring in the Black Widow movie... because it is the last time probably you will ever play the part!" -- not a great position from which to expect her not to sue you).

I'm sorry if it came across as a stupid conclusion. It's just that she was in fact thinking about suing the company after Johannson did. I provided a source on the previous page. Your theory sounds plausible. Here's what the company said after she came to an agreement.

While the media landscape has been disrupted in a meaningful way for all distributors, their creative partners cannot be left on the sidelines to carry a disproportionate amount of the downside without the potential for upside. This agreement demonstrates that there can be an equitable path forward that protects artists and aligns studios’ interests with talent. We are proud to work alongside Emma and Disney, and appreciate the studio’s willingness to recognize her contributions as a creative partner. We are hopeful that this will open the door for more members of the creative community to participate in the success of new platforms.”

[Andrew NDB]

Mmm... still smacks of what I said. I hope Emma isn't too pleased that she's being used as a figurehead in this way.

[The Deadman]

That's a pretty stupid conclusion to come to. If anything they signed her quickly for Cruella 2 (btw... yuck!) to keep them in her good graces. It wasn't like Disney was offering Scarlett "Black Widow 2" or anything at all, really (more like: "I hope you had fun starring in the Black Widow movie... because it is the last time probably you will ever play the part!" -- not a great position from which to expect her not to sue you).

To be fair, I think she was on the way out after Black Widow regardless of what went down or not.

[ranger_scout]

This article has all of the details on the deal that Emma Stone just made with Disney to star in a sequel.

Behind Emma Stone’s ‘Cruella’ Sequel Deal With Disney (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/emma-stone-cruella-sequel-deal-with-disney-1234998854/)

[Coola Yagami]

Quite sad.
I wanted to see Disney being hurt. At least a little.

Same here. Long overdue for some humble pie.

[Leo656]

One has to also figure Emma Stone doesn't have anywhere near as much leverage as Scarlett does. She needs the Disney gig, whereas Scarlett's tenure as Black Widow was all but over with anyway and she'd have nothing significant to gain by kissing Disney's ass at this point. Other studios will still hire her, she's a big name. Whereas Emma's name doesn't carry anywhere near the same clout, and if she plays nice she might still get two or three more terrible "Cruella" movies out of this gig.