TMNT #89 Preview and Discussion

[AlZarkovski]

Release: 12/19/2018.
First Look:https://is4-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Purple128/v4/be/f6/19/bef619cf-aed7-60e0-2f1b-9100cf3f3c4c/source/360x480bb.jpghttps://is5-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Purple118/v4/4f/bb/96/4fbb9643-e44c-fa4a-6ca7-248126d56705/source/360x480bb.jpghttps://is1-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Purple118/v4/88/c8/9a/88c89a98-f7d2-0340-0501-327cda8cf594/source/360x480bb.jpg

[ProphetofGanja]

Here's hoping that Splinter gets some holiday cheer and can stop being a ninja warlord with an outdated, feudal mindset

[Igglet]

Man, I really like these Christmas issues. I feel bad for Splinter already, though. One of the writers shared some of the panels from this issue weeks ago and it had a lot of flashbacks, I assume that's what'll make up most of this issue.

We got some more stuff implying that Casey - Jennika might become a thing, that's interesting. I'm slowly starting to like Jennika more and more, she really started developing a personality when she became Chunin.

I wonder if Splinter's gonna behead anyone in the Christmas issue. That'd be such a Splinter thing to do. Dude spends the entire issue reminiscing past events, missing his family. Suddenly, he snaps out of it and goes "Oh! I almost forgot, I had an execution scheduled in about an hour."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Gosh darn it, we didn't need another Christmas issue so soon! It's throwing off the internal continuity!!! <nerd rage> :trazz: :tlol:

[Igglet]

Gosh darn it, we didn't need another Christmas issue so soon! It's throwing off the internal continuity!!! <nerd rage> :trazz: :tlol:

It's a Christmas issue, God damn it, how could you be mad with a Christmas issue? Screw the continuity, I just want to see Splinter dressed as Santa (preferably while beheading someone).

[CyberCubed]

This may be Splinter's last time of peace if Karai tries to wrestle control of the Foot out of his hands.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's a Christmas issue, God damn it, how could you be mad with a Christmas issue? Screw the continuity, I just want to see Splinter dressed as Santa (preferably while beheading someone).

Did you just say "screw the continuity!?"

You filthy casual. Geddouttahere. :trazz:

Seriously, though, Issues #1-65 all happen in one year (also including Turtles in Time, Secret History of the Foot Clan, Bebop and Rocksteady Destroy Everything, and Universe #1-8 or so)... and then #66-89 are a whole damn year (also including Universe #9-15)?

That's an incredibly slow year compared to their previous. While I like the idea of the Turtles' new status quo post-#50 (Leo, Don, Raph with the Foot, Mike on his own) having been in place for a month or two, I still don't see those 25 or so issues stretching out a whole year.

[Utrommaniac]

It does kind of give the some perspective for how long the year had gone and what has transpired, but...did that really happen all in one year :teek: It felt like our poor boys were dealing with all of this madness in a period of a single month :lol: .


But y'know...it just comes to show.

One Christmas your friend is showing up with a basket of candy. By the next, he's already died in a nuclear act of self-sacrifice, also with candy.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It does kind of give the some perspective for how long the year had gone and what has transpired, but...did that really happen all in one year :teek: It felt like our poor boys were dealing with all of this madness in a period of a single month :lol: .


But y'know...it just comes to show.

One Christmas your friend is showing up with a basket of candy. By the next, he's already died in a nuclear act of self-sacrifice, also with candy.

Candy. For the best of times, for the worst of times.

[ChosenOne]

But y'know...it just comes to show.

One Christmas your friend is showing up with a basket of candy. By the next, he's already died in a nuclear act of self-sacrifice, also with candy.

For some reason, I feel the same could be said of Splinter this time next year. :cry:

[Utrommaniac]

Yeah, I would say that's likely.

[ChosenOne]

Bet you it's gonna hit a lot harder than Slash's death. It kinda has to. It definitely won't be an easy read.

[bushido]

You know it's time

M-1nTwiHxic

[Utrommaniac]

At the very least, I hope they at least make some kind of jabbing reference to it, like the "cowabunga" sweater at the very beginning...even if it's just down to someone yelling "We gotta get a gift for Splinter!".


Sweet ghost of Shen, there's even have a pack of children who can join in on the song. At least they have a reason to be around Splinter.

[Igglet]

Did you just say "screw the continuity!?"

You filthy casual. Geddouttahere. :trazz:

Seriously, though, Issues #1-65 all happen in one year (also including Turtles in Time, Secret History of the Foot Clan, Bebop and Rocksteady Destroy Everything, and Universe #1-8 or so)... and then #66-89 are a whole damn year (also including Universe #9-15)?

That's an incredibly slow year compared to their previous. While I like the idea of the Turtles' new status quo post-#50 (Leo, Don, Raph with the Foot, Mike on his own) having been in place for a month or two, I still don't see those 25 or so issues stretching out a whole year.

B-but... Christmas...

No, but really, I honestly doubt #1 - #65 all happened within a year. Just because there's no Christmas issue doesn't mean there's no Christmas if you get me.

Plus, I'm pretty sure #5 was a Christmas issue too, actually. And I'm convinced there's a few more that we're all forgetting.

[MikeandRaph87]

Bobby said continuity was not a factor, they enjoyed working on #65 and wanted to do another Christmas issue. That is the real world explaination.

[Michael Dialynas]

A SYFY exclusive just went up with some extra pages ;)
Plus a look at my cover for #90 since we are now post #88...
Enjoy!

EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: SPLINTER LEARNS THE TRUE MEANING OF CHRISTMAS IN IDW'S TMNT #89 (https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/exclusive-preview-splinter-learns-the-true-meaning-of-christmas-in-idws-tmnt-89?fbclid=IwAR0L6N4TXbylzePm8NMUM9psgztTz2z2eMnzk8 o2L7ou7oIg2jPXKii0sv8)

[Igglet]

My God, I don't remember being this hyped for an issue in a long, long time.

This is such a funny and wholesome concept and I'm loving it. From what I understood, this will be a larger issue, won't it? In all honesty, I expected this would just be flashbacks but this seems like so much more fun. "Toad Baron teaches Splinter the true meaning of Christmas" is literally the one sentence I never believed I'd utter and it's also the single best sentence I've ever uttered. I can't WAIT to see how it plays out. Still betting on Splinter beheading someone.

And, honestly, Dialynas' art has suddenly become my new favorite thing. I swear, everything he draws is suddenly elevated to a whole other level. I mean, DID YOU SEE THAT #90 COVER? Sweet baby Jesus.

Oh, and have I mentioned how good Dialynas' art is? Well I'll mention it again. I swear, if I could, I'd hug the man.

[ChosenOne]

That's one gorgeous (and ominous!) cover for #90!

[Utrommaniac]

Of fvcking course Toad Baraon is the Ghost of Christmas Present :lol:

I'm gonna say...Rat King and Gothano will be stopping by as well. I'm pretty relieved that the turtles aren't actually involved with Splinter and they're all coming down from the events on Burnow in their own particular ways. Going to guess that Splinter is going to rope them together at the end.

[Rooish]

These look great. Dialynis is my fav TMNT IDW artist since the Mikey macro.

[ChosenOne]

I was familiar with Dialynas' work way before his first gig on this series, from The Woods, which sort of lost me along the way with the writing but always looked damn gorgeous. Here's hoping he'll get more of a presence on IDW TMNT in the future!

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

A SYFY exclusive just went up with some extra pages ;)
Plus a look at my cover for #90 since we are now post #88...
Enjoy!

EXCLUSIVE PREVIEW: SPLINTER LEARNS THE TRUE MEANING OF CHRISTMAS IN IDW'S TMNT #89 (https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/exclusive-preview-splinter-learns-the-true-meaning-of-christmas-in-idws-tmnt-89?fbclid=IwAR0L6N4TXbylzePm8NMUM9psgztTz2z2eMnzk8 o2L7ou7oIg2jPXKii0sv8)

Wait... are you really Dialynas? And nobody here gave you bright green text and and "official staff/cast" ranking? This place really has gone to the dogs...

[MikeandRaph87]

Yes, it is,but only Krang has the ability to do that. Unless the server crashes it will be Halloween unfortunately.

[Michael Dialynas]

Yep it's me but no worries, I'm just happy to stalk the forum and give feedback if needed :)

Can wait for you to see what I've been drawing up from #89 onwards!:tgrin:

[ChosenOne]

Can wait for you to see what I've been drawing up from #89 onwards!:tgrin:

Oooh, I like this! :tcool:

[bushido]

Can wait for you to see what I've been drawing up from #89 onwards!:tgrin:

12 days of Christmas?

[Utrommaniac]

Looking at it from another perspective, I'm starting to think it's less of a "Splinter learns the true meaning of Christmas" situation (because of course not) and more of an...
https://66.media.tumblr.com/088bbc790d19a170f78afb7de73aed74/tumblr_inline_p5th9m2Wf71qdm3xg_500.gif

Not sure why the Pantheon would be so interested in getting Splinter to pull his boys together for Christmas, though.

[Igglet]

Looking at it from another perspective, I'm starting to think it's less of a "Splinter learns the true meaning of Christmas" situation (because of course not) and more of an...
https://66.media.tumblr.com/088bbc790d19a170f78afb7de73aed74/tumblr_inline_p5th9m2Wf71qdm3xg_500.gif

Not sure why the Pantheon would be so interested in getting Splinter to pull his boys together for Christmas, though.

I've a feeling that Toad Baron is going to be teaching him the true meaning of Christmas so he understands that he needs to go back to his sons. He has a realization and says he knows what must be done and decides that the only way to pull his kids out of their crippling depression is to lynch Bishop. And then he beheads someone.

[Utrommaniac]

Pretty much what I'm going for. Just don't know why Toad Baron would want to help :lol: . Shouldn't he be at his own Christmas party that's...probably complete insanity. Truly the halls will be decked with holly. Too much holly.

Or for that matter, Gothano (come on, he's GOTTA be Christmas Future, just look at him!) and...probably the Rat King? Not sure who else could possibly cover past. And why would the Rat King want to help after the way the turtles defeated him?

...Aka would make sense though. She's on nice enough terms with them and can do the flying scene.

[Igglet]

Pretty much what I'm going for. Just don't know why Toad Baron would want to help :lol: . Shouldn't he be at his own Christmas party that's...probably complete insanity. Truly the halls will be decked with holly. Too much holly.

Or for that matter, Gothano (come on, he's GOTTA be Christmas Future, just look at him!) and...probably the Rat King? Not sure who else could possibly cover past. And why would the Rat King want to help after the way the turtles defeated him?

...Aka would make sense though. She's on nice enough terms with them and can do the flying scene.

I wonder if Splinter's being manipulated by the Pantheon. It sure would add up with my theories.

Though I'm guessing the rest of the Pantheon won't show up. Toad Baron's just... special, I guess? I mean, we do know that they like getting involved with mortal affairs and perhaps having one of the most powerful people in New York alive on his side and perhaps as a pawn?

[AlZarkovski]

Two new pages:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuqkVXaVYAASwCk.jpg

[Igglet]

That's badass. The Shredder's back to haunt Splinter, who's already emotionally unstable and on the way to become unhinged?

He's gonna behead a fool, you'll all see.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm actually starting to get over my "it's too soon for a Christmas issue" funk and feel really excited!

It's also cool that the first Christmas issue was all smiles, parties, games, and optimism, and this one will be angst, regret, uncertainty, and woe. :tgrin:

[ChosenOne]

He's gonna behead a fool, you'll all see.

Watch it be Hun...

[bushido]

Full preview here (https://previewsworld.com/Catalog/Prevue/OCT180674).

[Igglet]

Alright, this continues looking better and better. I feel like the Shredder might actually be turning into a pretty cool dude. If this really is him, that is.

Anyway, I hope Splinter will behead him. Or anyone else, really. I don't mind.

[oldmanwinters]

Jacob Marley? Or an undigested crumb of cheese?

[Utrommaniac]

Why is it that of all the TMNT properties out there, it's IDW that not only does A Christmas Carol...but also seems to be doing a really good job of it seeming natural to the story???

[MikeandRaph87]

Why is it that of all the TMNT properties out there, it's IDW that not only does A Christmas Carol...but also seems to be doing a really good job of it seeming natural to the story???

It my thought exactly. How could A Christmas Carol fit so organically into TMNT? The status quo as it is sets it up so naturally! Continuity may be thrown out the window, but the story is set up so well.

[ChosenOne]

Oh, man... Splinter's vision of the future... Even if that ends up just a discarded possible timeline like the one from Turtles in Time #4, is it weird that I want to know more about it? IDW could have sooo much fun with "What if?" scenarios... At least let the Turtles wear those spiffy costumes for real at some point.

Great issue, for the 89th time!

[Igglet]

HA, I told you all Splinter would behead someone.

He beheaded my heart.

I can't think of a better issue to end off this year.

[neatoman]

Rat Santa is best Santa.

Ok, I actually liked this issue but it does feel a little out of place as part of the main series. A retelling of Christmas Carol seems more like something would be more appropriate as a one-shot special. I know Universe got canned so this story had to be put somewhere, so I guess I'll let this slide. At least has some foreshadowing.

And like with most Christmas Carol retellings, it makes me wonder if the book even exists in this world.

[Cloudrunner]

I didn't think Alopex could remove her mask after it stopped being face paint and started being blue spirit goo. And/Or mythical fox blood.

[ChosenOne]

Something I've just noticed: why wasn't April in the final scene? Harold and his wife I can understand, and the Mutanimals even more so, but she seems like a glaring omission. And has she met Jennika yet? There's bound to be at least some animosity there.

(Splinter inviting Stockman over to the Foot HQ for a Christmas party would've been hilarious, though!)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That was great.

Now please, somebody, give me a "Days of Future Past" Turtles story where those future Turtles have to fight the (ahem) future leader of the Foot Clan!!! :teek:

[TomWaltz]

Something I've just noticed: why wasn't April in the final scene? Harold and his wife I can understand, and the Mutanimals even more so, but she seems like a glaring omission. And has she met Jennika yet? There's bound to be at least some animosity there.

(Splinter inviting Stockman over to the Foot HQ for a Christmas party would've been hilarious, though!)

Oh, we've got April covered, my friend. She's with her mom and dad, as she should be!

Talk soon...

Tom W.

[CyberCubed]

Ghost Saki and Splinter lying dead at the hands of his sons are the two standout scenes of this issue.

Also the implications that Splinter eventually attacked/killed the Mutanimals and Casey/Jenny, etc. :o

Let's hope our Splinter never turns into that. Also I do like the fact that the Pantheon are not actually shown to be evil, it's really only Rat King and Kitsune who are the troublemakers, if the Turtles manage to stop those two bad seeds the rest of the Pantheon probably would never bother them.

[ChosenOne]

Oh, we've got April covered, my friend. She's with her mom and dad, as she should be!

Talk soon...

Tom W.

My bad! I was so eager to see what was in store for Splinter that I sort of skimmed over that page, as I did with the others that had already been shown in the previews. I'd still like to see April meeting Jenny, though! :tgrin:

This thread is probably the most appropriate place to do this, all things considered, so... Merry Christmas to you, to Bobby, and to the rest of the IDW crew and all of your loved ones! Thanks for making our TMNT dreams come true year-round!

[martinitolove]

Thank you Tom, Bobby, all the wonderfull artists and Peter & Kevin for making the best TMNT series ever!!! To a merry Christmas and a new year of amazing stories in our favourite Cowabunga universe!!!

[CyberCubed]

I was thinking this issue felt really short, then I realized I was too used to the Macro's being 40 pages that I forgot what a regular 20 page issue was like. Man, I think we got spoiled with the 40 page micros, imagine if every issue was that length? :lol:

[Utrommaniac]

Ha. Called it on Aka and Gothano.

It was pretty much as I expected too. Pretty sure she's me thing in that future is going to come true, though

[CyberCubed]

Really hope it doesn't come true, besides the fact that it's a depressing ending for Splinter, the fact that Splinter actually now foresaw what could be his future and do nothing to change that would be absurd...and he already did try to change it in this very issue with the Christmas party.

If Splinter is to die by issue 100 it will hopefully be protecting his sons against either the return of Shredder or the Pantheon or whatever.

[ChosenOne]

Really hope it doesn't come true, besides the fact that it's a depressing ending for Splinter, the fact that Splinter actually now foresaw what could be his future and do nothing to change that would be absurd...and he already did try to change it in this very issue with the Christmas party.

That usually means diddly-squat when it comes to prophecies. In fact, the harder you try to avoid them, the harder you seal your fate.

[daggio]

Really hope it doesn't come true, besides the fact that it's a depressing ending for Splinter, the fact that Splinter actually now foresaw what could be his future and do nothing to change that would be absurd...and he already did try to change it in this very issue with the Christmas party.

If Splinter is to die by issue 100 it will hopefully be protecting his sons against either the return of Shredder or the Pantheon or whatever.

I agree that Splinter should try to change his outlook now that he saw what could happen. But that does bring up some interesting possibilities for the future. And this is just me thinking here, but maybe Splinter, as a result of the happenings in this issue, does make amends with his sons, but doesn't step down as Jonin. Instead maybe he tries to take the Foot in a different, more positive direction. But Karai, thinking the Turtles are gonna help her remove Splinter as Jonin, now finds herself in direct conflict with the Turtles who have changed their thoughts from what they said in the Leo Macro. And thus sews the seeds for City at War.

I realize this is a little far-fetched, but you never know.

[Ninjinister]

I didn't think Alopex could remove her mask after it stopped being face paint and started being blue spirit goo. And/Or mythical fox blood.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing.

[Rooish]

Nice issue! Love the art. I'm kinda surprised Raph and Don just abandoned Mike to be sad instead of inviting their friends, but whatever. I also found it funny that Splinter changes his tune and then sends his Foot goons to track down everyone and force them to celebrate with him. Oh well ... his heart was in the right place, I guess...

[oldmanwinters]

In the letters page, Bobby wrote "there's no plans at the moment to conclude TMNT Adventures, but it's still something that I'd like to see happen. Maybe in 2020, once we get everything we've got planned for next year under wraps."

Woo, yes, make it happen in 2020!

[Redeemer]

Oh, we've got April covered, my friend. She's with her mom and dad, as she should be!

Talk soon...

Tom W.

sorry Tom I don't agree.

The TMNT=Family

[Igglet]

sorry Tom I don't agree.

The TMNT=Family

But mom and dad also = family.

[BlueKatana]

Just finished this issue, picked it up on a whim after seeing what it was about. Very good stuff. Always like a good Christmas Carol adaptation.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

And like with most Christmas Carol retellings, it makes me wonder if the book even exists in this world.

You can ask that every time one work adopts a story from another work.