New Ghostbusters movie in OG movie universe Jason Reitman directing 2020

[Autbot_Benz]

Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full-trance mediums, the Loch Ness Monster and the theory of Atlantis?

If so, good news — there’s a new Ghostbusters movie in the works.

Entertainment Weekly has learned exclusively that Jason Reitman will direct and co-write an upcoming film set in the world that was saved decades previously by the proton pack-wearing working stiffs in the original 1984 movie, which was directed by his father, Ivan Reitman.

“I’ve always thought of myself as the first Ghostbusters fan, when I was a 6-year-old visiting the set. I wanted to make a movie for all the other fans,” Reitman says. “This is the next chapter in the original franchise. It is not a reboot. What happened in the ‘80s happened in the ‘80s, and this is set in the present day.”

Sony Pictures has dated the film for Summer 2020, with plans to start shooting in a few months.

It’s still too soon to reveal the plot of the screenplay, who the new characters will be, or whether the original actors like Dan Aykroyd, Ernie Hudson, or Bill Murray will return. Harold Ramis died in 2014.

“This is very early, and I want the film to unwrap like a present. We have a lot of wonderful surprises and new characters for the audience to meet,” says Reitman, who co-wrote the screenplay with Monster House and Poltergeist remake filmmaker Gil Kenan.

The all-female Ghostbusters movie that director Paul Feig made in 2016 with Kate McKinnon, Leslie Jones, Kristen Wiig, and Melissa McCarthy started its story from scratch, unconnected to the earlier films, so it won’t have ties to this new one. “I have so much respect for what Paul created with those brilliant actresses, and would love to see more stories from them. However, this new movie will follow the trajectory of the original film,” Reitman says.

Reitman, an Oscar-nominee for Up in the Air and Juno, released two films last year — the Charlize Theron motherhood story Tully and the Hugh Jackman political drama The Front Runner.

He grew up idolizing his dad’s big-budget comedies like Stripes, Twins, and Dave, and says he was just as obsessed with Ghostbustersas any other ‘80s kid.

“I love everything about it. The iconography. The music. The tone,” Reitman says. “I remember being on set and seeing them try out the card catalog gag for the first time when the library ghost makes them come flying out. I remember the day they killed Stay Puft and I brought home a hardened piece of foam that just sat on a shelf for years. I was scared there was a terror dog underneath my bed before people knew what a terror dog was.”

Jason, his mother, and sister played panicked residents fleeing the “Spook Central” haunted skyscraper in the first film, but they were ultimately cut. (Here’s a shot of 6-year-old Jason posing with his father on the fractured Manhattan street they constructed.)
Courtesy of Reitman Family

A few years later, the boy did get a laugh line in the 1989 sequel, playing a birthday boy who was unimpressed by the Ghostbusters: “My dad says you guys are full of crap.”

When he began making his own movies, starting with 2005’s Thank You for Smoking, Reitman was often asked in interviews if he’d ever want to make his own Ghostbusters movie.

“I think I said, ‘There’d be no busting,’” he recalls with a laugh.

The truth is, he often wondered about making one, too: “I’ve thought about this franchise and it has occupied a piece of my heart for basically as long as I can remember.”

His father will produce the movie. “It will be a passing of the torch both inside and out,” says Ivan, adding that he’s touched his son wanted to join this part of the family business. “It was a decision he had to come to himself. He worked really hard to be independent and developed a wonderful career on his own. So I was quite surprised when he came to me with Gil and said, ‘I know I’ve been saying for 10 years I’m the last person who should make a Ghostbusters movie, but…I have this idea.’ Literally, I was crying by the end of it, it was so emotional and funny.”

Sony is also developing an animated Ghostbusters film, but that will come out after this new live-action project, and a different team will be involved in creating it.

“The Ghostbusters universe is big enough to hold a lot of different stories,” Jason says.


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[Voltron]

I don't know how I feel about this. Ghostbusters was as important to me as the TMNT. I *love* that franchise.

For that reason, I positively refuse to watch the Feigman movie. It felt like such a poor attempt to cash in on the nostalgia/SJW fad that it just missed the whole point of the original films.

Also, I think something was lost with Harold Ramis that they'll never get back. That dry humor played so well off of Murray's nonchalance, Aykroyd's starry eyed positivity, and Hudson's reserved amazement.

They caught lightening in a bottle. It's going to be surprising if they do it again.

[Wildcat]

Well I’d like the 2016 movie to be connected somehow (even if it has to be an alternate universe :ohwell:) but I’m happy to get another movie.

I know Dan recently said a part 3 was happening and nobody really believed him. This sounds like a confirmation but I still have a hard time believing it.

[Andrew NDB]

F*** yeah.

[ZariusTwo]

Trailer!

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[Autbot_Benz]

Trailer!

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When that one 52 second teaser felt more like ghostbusters than that terrible Fieg movie did

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, that hits me right in the feels. This must be that "really cool thing" Aykroyd and company were talking about would come in 2019... just, 2020 instead now.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/jason-reitman-direct-new-ghostbusters-movie-1176512


What is unclear is if any of the original members will return. Sources say that Reitman is on the lookout to cast four teens in the movie, two boys and two girls.

[TigerClaw]

I wonder how they will address that Harrold Ramis is gone. You can't have a Ghostbusters without Egon.

[Andrew NDB]

What is unclear is if any of the original members will return.

"All that are willing" is probably the real answer. Though if you think about how quick we've always heard about Bill Murray turning down Ghostbusters 3 script after Ghostbusters 3 script... the fact that there's radio silence on that is probably a really good sign.

I wonder how they will address that Harrold Ramis is gone. You can't have a Ghostbusters without Egon.

Respectfully, I'm sure.

[drgon78]

Looks interesting, hopefully it will be good and get this franchise back in action in a good way.

You know the real reason Murray was not really interested in Ghostbusters 3 was because he and Ramis had a falling out during/after filming Groundhogs Day.

[ranger_scout]

I believe that they seem to be headed the right direction with this film. Both Sony and Warner Bros. were smart to have Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle and Ocean's 8, respectively, not completely start from scratch but at least acknowledge that the events of the previous films happened.

[Andrew NDB]

It's a little sad/annoying that everything says it is a sequel to "the original film." Not films, plural. There was two, y'know. Yeah, somewhere along the line it was decided we were supposed to look back on GB2 and hate it, but it happened.

[Prowler]

It's a little sad/annoying that everything says it is a sequel to "the original film." Not films, plural. There was two, y'know. Yeah, somewhere along the line it was decided we were supposed to look back on GB2 and hate it, but it happened.

I don't get why apparently GB2 gets a lot of hate online. It wasn't as good as the 1st one, but still entertaining. Plus, you can never have too much Bill Murray.

[Xav]

"All that are willing" is probably the real answer. Though if you think about how quick we've always heard about Bill Murray turning down Ghostbusters 3 script after Ghostbusters 3 script... the fact that there's radio silence on that is probably a really good sign.They definitively could get Aykroyd and Hudson to return and the Teaser Trailer does say "Bill Murray Movie" so maybe they know something.

[TigerClaw]

I liked GB2. It had a couple of good moments. Like the Statue of Liberty scenes. I don't get the hate on it. I saw that sequel in the theaters when it first came out.

[Vegita-San]

Gb2 repeated a tad too much from the first movie.

Venkman should have been married, oscar his kid. give ray a romantic interest for something different.

other than that small squabble (The video game would have explained everything going on with dana, making her a shandor and magnet for gozer stuff)....it did give us alot of new stuff...

the cool multi trap setup in the poltergeist scene. cool new ghosts. the end sequence.

I just think the 2nd movie suffered from them not having enough time to plan it out right.

[Sumac]

I am with Vegita on that: GB2 was too much of a retread of the first one.
But it was not very bad. Soundtrack was outstanding.

I hope GB3 will materialize and will be a good movie.

[sdp]

Adapt Extreme Ghostbusters, have one cast member return as the mentor and everyone else new, hell include Answer the Call as in continuity just to **** with nerds.

[xChri5x]

Best part of GB2:
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(I hope he has a cameo in GB3)

[Wildcat]

Wow I’m shocked there’s a teaser. Looks cool.

I remember Dan mentioned in an interview that he pictured the ecto 1 up on blocks, broken down somewhere waiting to be restored. I amazed how close that that is to his comments.

In his defense I’m sure he’s had plenty of legitimate ideas. Like actual stuff that he wants to do. Not just brainstormed thoughts.

It’s really sad how Bill Murray affected things. Reboot aside he purposely held the franchise down.

[Xav]

I wonder what the chances of Sigourney Weaver, Rick Moranis, and Annie Potts returning?

[TigerClaw]

I wonder what the chances of Sigourney Weaver, Rick Moranis, and Annie Potts returning?
I can see them being in GB3. But I doubt Rick Moranis would come out of retirement to play a small role.

[Andrew NDB]

I remember Dan mentioned in an interview that he pictured the ecto 1 up on blocks, broken down somewhere waiting to be restored.

It should be the Ecto-1A, though, shouldn't it? It'll be pretty weird if after Ghostbusters 2 they down-graded the Ecto-1A back to the Ecto-1 before mothballing it.

[ProphetofGanja]

Also, I think something was lost with Harold Ramis that they'll never get back. That dry humor played so well off of Murray's nonchalance, Aykroyd's starry eyed positivity, and Hudson's reserved amazement.

They caught lightening in a bottle. It's going to be surprising if they do it again.

Word, man. Word.

[Xav]

I can see them being in GB3. But I doubt Rick Moranis would come out of retirement to play a small role.Well he did voice Dark Helmet on an episode of The Goldbergs last year so anythings possible.

[Autbot_Benz]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6600459/Ernie-Hudson-confirms-original-Ghostbusters-cast-return-new-film.html?fbclid=IwAR3S1ZhTBqM0Zx1Y6Cuq0owFtBUAaVz 9asJzY567kd1X4lUxXGqkllSOsCM

Ernie Hudson Dan aykroyd and Bill Murray will be Winston Ray and Peter in this movie

[Autbot_Benz]

"The all-female 'Ghostbusters' movie directed by Paul Feig in 2016 was set in its own universe unconnected to the earlier films and will not have ties to Jason Reitman's new movie, which "will follow the trajectory of the original film."


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[Leo656]

We'll see.

My favorite guy is dead; even the best possible attempt made with nothing but tender loving care, simply can't and won't be anything better than "pretty good, given the circumstances," to me. And that's not even their fault, but it's frustrating.

To be clear, nobody on this planet wanted Ghostbusters 3 more than I did, from 1990 up until a few years ago. I'll fight anyone who claims otherwise. But my absolute favorite part of it is gone, and I just can't get that enthusiasm back, ever, even if I'm willing to move on. They COULD have done it at any point, but petty nonsense robbed us of it, and part of me will never forgive them for it.

All that said, I am hopeful for whatever this turns out to be. I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, and will assume this is indeed a labor of love until proven otherwise. The last one had "soulless attempt to cash in on the franchise after Harold Ramis's death, made by a pack of ghouls" (pun intended) written all over it from the start, and thus, I was against it from the start. I was actually a bit shocked at HOW bad the reboot really is, not even just as a Ghostbusters movie, but just at everything. It's beyond the pale, just altogether worthless. I'm not sure how it even saw the light of day, except for the moral bankruptcy of the studio.

If nothing else, we more or less know the next one can't be worse. Hopefully, it will live up to what they're describing, and it will be respectful not only to the original films but to the memory of Harold Ramis. I'm not expecting or even hoping for much, but it almost has to be an improvement over last time.

It sounds like everyone's heart is in the right place this time. That in itself is the complete opposite of last time, so... hopefully they're sincere.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6600459/Ernie-Hudson-confirms-original-Ghostbusters-cast-return-new-film.html?fbclid=IwAR3S1ZhTBqM0Zx1Y6Cuq0owFtBUAaVz 9asJzY567kd1X4lUxXGqkllSOsCM

Ernie Hudson Dan aykroyd and Bill Murray will be Winston Ray and Peter in this movie

Looks like that was an interview from before any of this news broke... but fairly reassuring toward Murray being aboard.

Yeah, I'm a little concerned with the car thing that they may be pulling a "Halloween" with this... and only making it a direct sequel to the first one.

[Wildcat]

@AndrewNDB, ya I guess it should be the 1A car. I don’t think he was being specific just generally explaining what he pictured.

I know this is going to be in continuity with the originals but just because this movie does not technically acknowledge 2016 (within its runtime) doesn’t mean anything. Remember they wanted to do a universe.

Even though the reboot was not Dan’s idea exactly he did mention a story before about other dimensions and we know multiverses are a popular thing nowadays.

So a 2016 sequel or crossover movie is totally possible after this movie happens. They said an animated movie is still happening too. Whatever that’s like it’s potentially 3 separate universes.

I’m glad to see Dan has creative control. I’ve always trusted that he had a bunch of cool ideas for another movie. Even though people have actually criticized him for being stuck in the past or should let it go. Saying Murray knows better.

Nothing was Dan’s fault.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

"the all-female 'ghostbusters' movie directed by paul feig in 2016 was set in its own universe unconnected to the earlier films and will not have ties to jason reitman's new movie, which "will follow the trajectory of the original film."


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Thank God!

[Andrew NDB]

@AndrewNDB, ya I guess it should be the 1A car. I don’t think he was being specific just generally explaining what he pictured.

I know this is going to be in continuity with the originals but just because this movie does not technically acknowledge 2016 (within its runtime) doesn’t mean anything. Remember they wanted to do a universe.

Even though the reboot was not Dan’s idea exactly he did mention a story before about other dimensions and we know multiverses are a popular thing nowadays.

So a 2016 sequel or crossover movie is totally possible after this movie happens. They said an animated movie is still happening too. Whatever that’s like it’s potentially 3 separate universes.

I’m glad to see Dan has creative control. I’ve always trusted that he had a bunch of cool ideas for another movie. Even though people have actually criticized him for being stuck in the past or should let it go. Saying Murray knows better.

Nothing was Dan’s fault.

They wanted to do a universe (well, a multiverse) when they were still tabulating the 2016 movie's success. It wasn't one. Now they're not talking about that anymore.

Also, it doesn't sound like Dan has much to do with this creatively beyond maybe sticky notes that can be regarded or disregarded. Probably a good thing since Murray didn't like any of his scripts.

[Wildcat]

Ya it’s really not that far fetched imo to see some crossover movie down the line with different universes.

Bill Murray lost all credibility for me years ago. Who knows how many scripts/ideas he turned down. At least 1 had to be good. He just purposely kept refusing for whatever reasons only known to him.

Which would have been ok if he had not held it down and let everyone else do it.

[Andrew NDB]

Ya it’s really not that far fetched imo to see some crossover movie down the line with different universes.

Bill Murray lost all credibility for me years ago. Who knows how many scripts/ideas he turned down. At least 1 had to be good. He just purposely kept refusing for whatever reasons only known to him.

Which would have been ok if he had not held it down and let everyone else do it.

Eh, I could see them bringing the 2016 Ghostbusters into some cameo if they're doing some major battle across dimensions or something -- to pay them respect and for the studio to go "we totally support them!" -- but that's about it. I'm not even sure if the Ghostbusters 2016 crossover comics made any money, let alone doing more film stuff with them.

[Wildcat]

Ya something like that.

So much for that idea we had about some villain or the government erasing everyone’s mind making the movie a Ghostbusters 3-ish :lol:

That really was a good idea. It just fit so well.

[Autbot_Benz]

swing and a miss from Hollywood Reporter

Ghostbusters': Why Ignore the All-Female Reboot?

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/why-is-ghostbusters-3-ignoring-all-female-reboot-1177318

[Allio]

this line gets me

"I think we suffer from this collective sense of nostalgia in film, where we're always looking to the past rather than the future"

You kind of loos the "looking to the future" when you remake/reboot a past ip. It's one of the reasons people say that movies aren't original anymore.

[TigerClaw]

this line gets me

"I think we suffer from this collective sense of nostalgia in film, where we're always looking to the past rather than the future"

You kind of loos the "looking to the future" when you remake/reboot a past ip. It's one of the reasons people say that movies aren't original anymore.
Movies haven't been original for a long time. when you think about it. Many movies are inspired by previous work. Not a day goes by. when you see a movie. And think. Its similar to one you seen a while back. You have movies that influence other movies. And it goes on and on.

[JonesyKitty]

Something I will say about the reboot is that I was one of the people that was very hopeful and excited to see it in theaters opening day. I hyped myself up so much that I was finally getting to see a GB movie in theaters (since I wasn't born when the originals came out) and told myself I would reserve all judgement until I had seen it. When I saw it, I thought it was okay, but it definitely had its problems. But honestly the thing I enjoyed about it the most wasn't even the movie, it was watching the audience. The adults were bored but the kids loved it! There was one kid in front of us that had to be about 5 or 6 and he was getting all excited, he would cover his eyes when it got "scary" and then peak from behind his hands, and then when something happened like the Manor ghost vomiting on the main woman or the goat demon knocking Bill Murray out of the window he would bust up laughing. I only saw it in theaters once but when it came out on DVD I waited until it was in the $5 bin and went ahead and bought it. My son is now 6 and he loves the originals and the cartoon but prefers the reboot. If anything I am most excited about this one to take him to the theater so he can have fun and enjoy it. If I like it, great! If not then maybe he will and we can sneak cans of Ecto cooler in and have fun together. I will still have the originals if this one fails to satisfy me.
For the record it wasn't them turning the team all female that made me not enjoy it as much as I wanted to. My favorite non-original member of the entire franchise is Kylie Griffin. You CAN have girl busters and make them work. IDW is an example of that. The reboot was just poorly written. The effects were nice though. I think it may have worked better (basically not pissing people off) if they just made them the kids of the OG busters but then again that could've flopped as well. I'm going into this one optimistic and will hope for the best, maybe they have something really good planned with these teens, if that news ends up being true. Worse case scenario it will be a movie we pick up on clearance for my kid, and hopefully they will do another release of Ecto Cooler and ACTUALLY PUT SLIMER ON THE FRONT!

[Leo656]

Kids think boogers are delicious. Anything kids like, I have to question the quality of.

On a side note, everything I've heard the last few days says they're looking for a group of four 12-13 year olds for this movie. If true, it shows they've learned nothing. Still thinking some dumb gimmick or stunt casting is gonna be the spark that lights the fire. Unbelievable.

Hopefully it's fake, but I've been seeing it everywhere, so I'unno.

[Vegita-San]

Kids think boogers are delicious. Anything kids like, I have to question the quality of.

On a side note, everything I've heard the last few days says they're looking for a group of four 12-13 year olds for this movie. If true, it shows they've learned nothing. Still thinking some dumb gimmick or stunt casting is gonna be the spark that lights the fire. Unbelievable.

Hopefully it's fake, but I've been seeing it everywhere, so I'unno.

or they are trying to replicate the 'success' of stranger things.

[Leo656]

Yeah, exactly. I have no idea what that show is about, but like everyone else I've seen the pictures of the kids dressed up like Ghostbusters. And I can totally imagine some f*ckwit at Sony seeing that and being all, "THAT'S the hook for the next one!" :roll:

What's next after that fails? Four midgets? Talking dogs? C'mon.

I'm not going to commit to how I feel until it's either proven or disproven. But if it's true, I am once again out. That kind of thing would only prove with 100% certainty that these people have no idea what they're doing and are just throwing crap at the wall. Or the fan.

... I mean, they already proved that last time, but that could have just been a single misfire. In theory. If they do this, they're just plain stupid.

[Andrew NDB]

or they are trying to replicate the 'success' of stranger things.

You could be onto something here. "It" as well. Though I see "kids" now and saw "teenagers" earlier. A bunch of 18 year olds is very different than say, 12 year olds.

It's interesting. To me that suggests the old Ghostbusters will have more considerable parts vs. if the word was that the movie would have a bunch of younger comedic actors. Like, who is going to drive the Ecto-1 around? It's not going to be 12 year olds. You know what I mean?

[Xav]

Also, it doesn't sound like Dan has much to do with this creatively beyond maybe sticky notes that can be regarded or disregarded. Probably a good thing since Murray didn't like any of his scripts.But Murray didn't actually read any of his scripts. He simply didn't want to do a third movie.

[Candy Kappa]

getting a Kids on Bikes genre feel with ghostbusters could be a interesting take.

[Leo656]

Part II was already enough of a kids movie. No mas.

They went for the Angry Feminist/SJW crowd last time, and it flunked. Sounds like all they've done is start talking about which "demographic" they should pivot towards next.

"People who just want a good movie without a pandering gimmick stapled onto it" would be a nice start. Too bad those people don't have a convenient label sticker that lumps them all together for marketing purposes.

I'unno. I'm hoping that it's just rumors, because that's not a good idea.

[IndigoErth]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/why-is-ghostbusters-3-ignoring-all-female-reboot-1177318
While I didn't dislike that film, it was fun in its own way (and to be fair I'm a very casual viewer of that franchise), it hurt any chance of being tied to this one BY being its own total reboot.

I still feel it would have been far cooler and more acceptable (esp as a female viewer) if instead of an unrelated reboot the women had all been the daughters of the original characters, picking up the torch from their dads. (Then you could have either had them lend a hand at some point in this movie too or they're simply out of the picture because, I dunno, they opened and moved to another headquarters on the other end of town and this film just focuses on their dads getting back in the game.)

[Leo656]

I'm being serious, after seeing the last one over a year ago, I have really been trying to remember watching a worse movie in my entire life, and the closest thing I have come up with is "Meet The Feebles". And at least that movie has knockoff muppets doing cocaine and murdering each other. Therefore, it's bad, but retains some level of "Dude, you HAVE to see this retarded ass movie!" appeal.

All I saw from the GB reboot was bad slapstick, a recurring "joke" about wontons (Just order from someplace else, you hags! What the F*CK is this sh*t taking up space for?!), a whole bunch of "Men R dumb, duh-hurr" stuff, a main character whose entire "personality" is screaming at people, PS4-quality CGI, and a color palette that looked like it was trying to see how much saturated neon it takes to murder a TV. Plus, not one, but TWO "What the F*CK am I watching?!" dance numbers (extended version).

I can only call what I see, and I seriously can't even remember anything worse. "Teenage Catgirls In Heat" had naked boobs. "Legend of Chun-Li" had Michael Clarke Duncan. Every single piece of sh*t I can remember seeing in my life had at least ONE redeeming factor. I got nothin', here.

I am not doing schtick. I'd have more colorful material if I was. I hated that movie more than R. Kelly hates age of consent laws.

....Always end on a joke, even when you're cranky. :)

[IndigoErth]

lol Hey, like I said, very casual viewer here. I don't really expect my reception of it to have much more merit then the casuals who think it's fine to eff the Turtles up. (I just wish any women getting to play too didn't have to turn it into a niche version and thus a joke.)

So if you had to choose which was worst... 2016 Ghostbusters or 2016 TMNT? :trazz:



Anyhow... Hopefully this next one will be good. Will be fun to see the 'old' guys reprising their rolls.

[Andrew NDB]

Leslie Jones slams this movie, says it's "like something Trump would do."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/leslie-jones-slams-new-ghostbusters-film-like-something-trump-would-do-1177578

lol... wtf?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Leslie Jones slams this movie, says it's "like something Trump would do."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/leslie-jones-slams-new-ghostbusters-film-like-something-trump-would-do-1177578

lol... wtf?

Wow. Somebody needs to up her daily ambien intake. :tlol:

[TurtleTitan97]

Leslie Jones slams this movie, says it's "like something Trump would do."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/leslie-jones-slams-new-ghostbusters-film-like-something-trump-would-do-1177578

lol... wtf?

She definitely sounds like she has some screws loose.

[Jester]

Man, and I actually like Leslie.

[Leo656]

Jesus, Indigo, that's like asking if I'd prefer slicing open my scrotum on razor wire or chainlink fence. In a perfect world, I'd never have to deal with either one.

It's also not a fair question, because I saw "Answer The Call" beginning to end in one sitting, whereas I have probably seen all of BayTurtles 1 but only in clips taken out of order. I may have missed a scene here or there, but I saw enough to know I'm definitely not interested in watching it in its entirety, just to compare it with the GB reboot in a contest to see which one makes me swallow an entire bottle of Lithium first.

Also, please note, at no point in my "review" did I mention, even once, whether or not the film was at all fair or faithful to the Ghostbusters concept or its history, or whether it was at least "good from a fan's point of view". The answer to all of those questions is "Absolutely Not", but I swear, that's not even the issue. The only factor the "Ghostbusters" brand plays in all of it is, is without that sticker on it I wouldn't have ever seen it at all (and for that, I'd be grateful). I do think it was a terrible Ghostbusters movie, but I mostly just think it's a terrible movie and the fact that it hurt the franchise is just a "bonus".

I forgot to mention the horrible soundtrack. Oof. Movie was bad but the soundtrack should be a f*cking hate crime.

There's a ton of nitpicking of other sh*t, like the editing, in which some scenes are hacked off in awkward places where others go too long (or shouldn't exist). But that's probably not going to be worth noting for most people. I've just never been so frustrated by a bad movie, but a lot of that has to do with the "smugness" of it all. Clearly the people making it felt that it was SUPER clever, except not a single thing was funny, every character was a terrible person, the villain was Some Bozo, and the whole thing physically looked like they started out making a straight-to-DVD Scooby-Doo movie, then switched midway through into a live-action Ghostbusters movie with the same budget and hoped nobody would notice.

I don't judge it as a Ghostbusters movie at all. It's more like an SNL skit that makes fun of Ghostbusters, dragged out for eternity. I simply judge it based on the fact that I found it to be a very incompetent production with a cast of people I never want to see in anything again. I hate it because it ruined my evening, not because it "ruined Ghostbusters", something it doesn't have the power to do, in and of itself.

I feel like some people assume that people hate it solely from a Ghostbusters perspective, rather than the fact that it has no reason to exist aside from the logo and does nothing right at all.
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How appropriately on time that bit about Jones is, as she was one of the worst things about that movie by far. She's got no reason to have a job in Hollywood at all, she's unbearable in any setting. She talks a lot of sh*t for someone who, in any other era, would still be giving people "sassy" directions to the back of the line at the DMV, rather than attaching herself to more successful people's projects like a rotting barnacle just so studios can avoid getting scolded by the entertainment "reporters" at the Huffington Post for not hitting an arbitrary quota.

Terrible. She's terrible. Ugh.

[Allio]

Trump’s reaction is more like

“Ghostbusters? Is that one of them chink cartoons?”

[Autbot_Benz]

Wow Leslie shut the **** up. you were one of the worst parts of that terrible movie

[Xav]

Jason Reitman Is Directing 'Ghostbusters 3,' And It's All Your Fault (https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/01/16/jason-reitman-ghostbusters-3-sony-jumanji-star-wars-halloween-jurassic-world-box-office/#7256b0885942)

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Leslie Jones slams this movie, says it's "like something Trump would do."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/leslie-jones-slams-new-ghostbusters-film-like-something-trump-would-do-1177578

lol... wtf?

Wow,...someone's salty that her film sucked. Yeah, **** you and your movie, Leslie.:lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Jason Reitman Is Directing 'Ghostbusters 3,' And It's All Your Fault (https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/01/16/jason-reitman-ghostbusters-3-sony-jumanji-star-wars-halloween-jurassic-world-box-office/#7256b0885942)

What a cuck.

[Wildcat]

This is why I said before that I hate when Ghostbusters is brought up now. It’s just a freaking movie.

I said they’ll probably do a universe crossover after doing part 3. No need for calling it a missed opportunity (though I appreciate the sentiment) and definitely no reason for Leslie Jones to complain.

Those who want to hate the reboot for whatever reasons they think they should, fine but stop plastering it all over anytime so much as the word Ghost is typed.

As for the kids/teens plot rumors that’s perfectly fine if it’s true.

Sorry but everyone used up all thier complaints on the reboot. Especially since this is literally a proper sequel with the original characters and creative force.

[Sumac]

Jason Reitman Is Directing 'Ghostbusters 3,' And It's All Your Fault (https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/01/16/jason-reitman-ghostbusters-3-sony-jumanji-star-wars-halloween-jurassic-world-box-office/#7256b0885942)
The guy who had written this...bad article passing as an "editorial" most likely had never been laid in his life, since he is trying so hard to virtue signal, my monitor had nearly started to vomit pink and blue hairs.

Just this: "white male director", "specific audience", "GB'16 was bad because it was starring 4 women"...Holy crap. It's like this loser had scrubbed all possible SJW cliches and threw them into blender which had shat this..."opinion piece".

Modern "journalism" my ass.

[Vegita-San]

She definitely sounds like she has some screws loose.

just figuring that out now? apparently the only reason she even got on snl at all was because she knew someone who was in power there. so pretty much a diversity hire, not a talent hire.

[The Deadman]

The guy who had written this...bad article passing as an "editorial" most likely had never been laid in his life, since he is trying so hard to virtue signal, my monitor had nearly started to vomit pink and blue hairs.

Just this: "white male director", "specific audience", "GB'16 was bad because it was starring 4 women"...Holy crap. It's like this loser had scrubbed all possible SJW cliches and threw them into blender which had shat this..."opinion piece".

Modern "journalism" my ass.

Dont forget "long threatened Ghostbusters 3"

[Leo656]

As for the kids/teens plot rumors that’s perfectly fine if it’s true.

Sorry but everyone used up all thier complaints on the reboot. Especially since this is literally a proper sequel with the original characters and creative force.

Nonsense. This is an entirely new set of complaints.

Kids can't act. I don't want to see that sh*t. Don't tell me it's all even and fine because we might get five minutes of Ray Stanz in between two hours of whatever the "Young Sheldon" kid's name is. Four 12-year olds running around doing "Home Alone Face" while Ray and Winston whine about being old and fat sounds like water torture.

Let me guess the plot: Kids are terrified by ghosts, nobody except the original surviving Ghostbusters believes them (despite TWO MOVIES supposedly in the same universe that conclusively prove the existence of ghosts), and ghosts are like Santa Claus, they only have power if kids Believe. Therefore, in the end, the New Ghostbusters win over the evil spirits NOT with proton packs, but by sincerely embracing the mantra "I Ain't Afraid Of No Ghost." :roll:

That's not a Ghostbusters movie, that's "Goosebumps, directed by Steven Spielberg."

I don't want a stupid "gimmick", I just want a f*cking decent movie, either the last one ever or, if they HAVE to, a pass-the-torch deal. Why kids? Why not actual people in their 20s so at least the premise makes sense and is believable? Because they feel like they can't sell the movie without a dumb gimmick. And they're wrong.

Y'know, it's whatever. I was looking back over the development hell of the last 15 years, and when you consistently see names like Seth Rogen, Chris Rock, Jonah Hill pop up, and then you see what they actually got around to making, you realize that nothing they did was ever gonna be any good. Only Ramis and Reitman knew what they were making and why it worked; one guy is dead, the other is retired from the series, and that kind of understanding is not hereditary. I'm sure his kid's a nice guy, but that doesn't mean he Gets It.

We'll see. I don't want a gimmick movie and I damn sure don't want a kids movie. Because when THAT fails is when they pack it in and start making the talking dogs movie because they have no other ideas.

"Ghost Buddies", coming straight to DVD, Halloween 2022. You heard it here first.

[Vegita-San]

please don't bend over backward to get the chinese dollar.

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/ghostbusters-3-may-not-use-word-ghosts/?fbclid=IwAR2gLeH77RNhNwb4gCoH4UGIYU8fY-2g2CwxIvCSzCCv-Lo3WDlBZRWC5kg

[Andrew NDB]

please don't bend over backward to get the chinese dollar.

https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/ghostbusters-3-may-not-use-word-ghosts/?fbclid=IwAR2gLeH77RNhNwb4gCoH4UGIYU8fY-2g2CwxIvCSzCCv-Lo3WDlBZRWC5kg

Ugggghhhhhhh. Why can't they just make a special Chinese edit of it that doesn't use the word?

[Leo656]

Oh, come ON.

Get f*cked with this stupid sh*t.

[Autbot_Benz]

China can go get bent they are so stuck up its silly

[Leo656]

Well, if nothing else, we finally have a good enough reason for full-scale war with the Chinese. So there's that.

[Wildcat]

Nonsense. This is an entirely new set of complaints.

Kids can't act. I don't want to see that sh*t. Don't tell me it's all even and fine because we might get five minutes of Ray Stanz in between two hours of whatever the "Young Sheldon" kid's name is. Four 12-year olds running around doing "Home Alone Face" while Ray and Winston whine about being old and fat sounds like water torture.

Let me guess the plot: Kids are terrified by ghosts, nobody except the original surviving Ghostbusters believes them (despite TWO MOVIES supposedly in the same universe that conclusively prove the existence of ghosts), and ghosts are like Santa Claus, they only have power if kids Believe. Therefore, in the end, the New Ghostbusters win over the evil spirits NOT with proton packs, but by sincerely embracing the mantra "I Ain't Afraid Of No Ghost." :roll:

That's not a Ghostbusters movie, that's "Goosebumps, directed by Steven Spielberg."

I don't want a stupid "gimmick", I just want a f*cking decent movie, either the last one ever or, if they HAVE to, a pass-the-torch deal. Why kids? Why not actual people in their 20s so at least the premise makes sense and is believable? Because they feel like they can't sell the movie without a dumb gimmick. And they're wrong.

Y'know, it's whatever. I was looking back over the development hell of the last 15 years, and when you consistently see names like Seth Rogen, Chris Rock, Jonah Hill pop up, and then you see what they actually got around to making, you realize that nothing they did was ever gonna be any good. Only Ramis and Reitman knew what they were making and why it worked; one guy is dead, the other is retired from the series, and that kind of understanding is not hereditary. I'm sure his kid's a nice guy, but that doesn't mean he Gets It.

We'll see. I don't want a gimmick movie and I damn sure don't want a kids movie. Because when THAT fails is when they pack it in and start making the talking dogs movie because they have no other ideas.

"Ghost Buddies", coming straight to DVD, Halloween 2022. You heard it here first.That is the exact attitude I’ve been seeing towards this franchise since like 2006. Absolutely nothing is ever good enough.

It’s not even an actual complaint at that point. It’s literally just deciding to not like something no matter what simply because it’s not how you would do it or imagined. So there’s no point in trying to please this area of the fan base...that’s done.

Even if Ghostbusters 3 came out in the 90s it most definitely would have used whatever trends were popular at that time. Thats for sure.

Passing the torch to another team or family members is and has always been the best way to go. Not sure how teens would inherit the business but whatever they planned wouldn’t really take place until a part 4.

[Leo656]

Passing the torch is one thing. Stretching the limits of all plausibility by making the new team literal children is f*cking stupid. Even 18-19 is a stretch, but at least they're technically adults. Actual children is ANOTHER pathetic gimmick when we just sat through one of those.

They don't know what they're doing. They don't understand the product. They're trying to figure out who they can "sell" it to, instead of just making a movie and letting people figure out if they like it. "Let's sell it to chicks!" Didn't work. "Let's sell it to kids!" Hey, I got an idea... how about you "sell" it to Ghostbusters fans?

It's less about, "Here's what I would do," and entirely, "How can anyone think that making the new Ghostbusters actual children is anything but a terrible idea?"

Kids can't act, kids movies are terrible, This Sucks.

It's not impossible to make a good movie that people will actually like, they're just not trying at all to do that. They're hung up on all the wrong things, like copying "It" and "Stranger Things".

Copy "Ghostbusters". People will like that. It's worth a shot, it's the ONE idea they haven't tried yet.

[Wildcat]

I can’t say it’s a terrible idea because even if it’s true I have clue how they’re gonna do it.

At the moment I can only think maybe two are grown up enough to go on jobs (like you said 18-19 are technically adults) and the kids work at the headquarters on gadgets or something. Like if one is a child genius or builds stuff.

I know you probably hate the way that sounds but my gosh it can’t do anything at all without receiving some kind of label?

They’re not actually going to had the gear to a bunch of kids and say goodbye.

[Leo656]

Sure it can. "Stop treating the franchise like they're ashamed of it" would be a good start. They're sitting in an office asking themselves who they can market it to, which is the wrong approach. Just make a movie that isn't cheesy.

What they ought to be doing is watching the first two a few times - a few episodes of the cartoon wouldn't hurt, either - and figuring out how the story of that universe would organically evolve into something recognizable in 2019. Obviously the original players are going to have to bow out, but they can do it in a way that doesn't insult the intelligence of the audience.

The last film was such a colossal misfire, you'll forgive me if I don't trust "these people" again, yet. Again, all of this could just be misdirection. Remember how like, 5 minutes after they announced the last movie, they announced ANOTHER Ghostbusters movie, one that was supposed to be all dudes as a "balance" to the other movie, and then it never happened? These people change their minds a lot. All I'm saying is, IF they decide to make a film that's predominantly about a bunch of 12-year olds, I'm not at all a fan of that, and I don't think it's gonna work.

But they might not. We don't know. All I said was "If."

[Shark_Blade]

Maybe the kids would be in the vein of Extreme Ghostbusters, that’d be awesome.

DEpCUB8IjzM

[Wildcat]

@ Leo656, You don’t have to trust the same people because they’re not making it. It’s by those who actually do care a great deal.

Dan Aykroyd has wanted part 3 forever. He must have at least 10 treatments/scripts to barrow from. I really want to know how many there have been. I’m certain he cares more than anyone else in the world. That does not guarantee a great movie but it’s close enough.

The Guy movie never happened but that was obviously just talk. This has a teaser a year and Jason is posting pics of himself with the car. Unless something causes it to get canceled it’s gotta be legitimate.

I’m open to any new idea but I’ve always wanted something like the new MIB. Ghostbusters Inc. Multiple branches that operate in other places. Every team has thier own headquarters and Ecto vehicles unique to them. Ray or all the remaining 3 are the Presidents.

I also wish it would take place somewhere other than NY for a change.

[Leo656]

Extreme Ghostbusters was alright. I somehow missed it until it was in reruns, someplace. Wasn't really my cup of tea but it didn't feel like a misfire. I never got the Ecto-1 from that toyline, that's an eternal regret.

Video game was alright, too.
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Wildcat: By "these people" I mean Sony executives. As I've explained before, they're the ones with all the power, not any of the people you mentioned. I appreciate their input, and their hearts may indeed be in the right place, but they have very little power as far as any decisions go.

Inside of two days, we went from hearing "respectful sequel in the spirit of the original" to "We can't say 'ghost', and also, it's a kids' movie". And it went from, "The original cast is onboard!" to, "...Well, probably," to, "Well, nobody's actually signed up yet, BUT... y'know, probably. Maybe. Definitely Maybe." And so on.

How can you promise people "a respectful sequel in the spirit of the original" when then, you keep talking, and accidentally reveal that you actually DON'T have anything set up yet as far as a cast, a script, or... anything? You gotta pay very close attention to how these people talk, and read between the lines.

Again, please forgive me if I want to contain any enthusiasm whatsoever for a project that they still clearly don't have a solid plan for yet.

We know all of ONE thing for certain, right now: They're making another movie. That can go a million different ways between now and then, and frankly, there's only a couple of things that they can come up with that won't be terrible. Plus, this is it; no more "mulligans", they screw this one up, they'll never get the audience back. There's a lot riding on getting this exactly right, and there's very little room for error.

We shall see. I'm not quite convinced they actually want to do the kids' movie. I'm almost 100% certain that right now, they're just "leaking rumors" to see how people online react to different ideas. I'd bet the farm that they have absolutely nothing on paper, yet.

So yeah, we'll see.

[Coola Yagami]

I agree that people should stop trying to add extra gimmicks to what is essentially already a gimmick. You want a gimmick? Try four dudes that zap ghosts with laser guns and trap them in a box. That's all the gimmick you need.

Reminds me of when TMNT Back to the Sewers used the internet gimmick and that won out other proposed ideas like the Turtles babysitting themselves or the card game idea. All that when the only gimmick you need are humanoid turtles that fight with ninja weapons.

[Leo656]

It's like, people don't even realize what a perfect storm the original film was. It was thisclose to disaster. They wanted time travel, a flying/talking car (think GB from the Filmation cartoon), parallel dimensions... in the FIRST movie! The fact that nobody would pay for any of it is why they had to whittle it down to something presentable, but it was originally an over-stuffed mess. We got lucky.

Thing is, I study films a lot. I'm obsessed with the making-of, behind-the-scenes stuff. It's fun, it's fascinating, but you know what sucks? Finding out over and over again that YOUR favorite movie(s) of all time was a complete piece of sh*t before someone saved it in the editing room. Seriously. Every great film I've ever seen started out with a terrible script, constant studio interference, and no idea what the final product would be until the day it opened. Everything from "Back to the Future" to "Beetlejuice"... all terrible until the final cut. It's disheartening to constantly be faced with the cold, hard FACT that nobody in the business has any idea what they're doing, EVER.

Every good movie ever made was a complete accident. So forgive me if I'm a bit cynical. It's true, you really DON'T wanna know how the sausage is made. it's a bummer.

[Coola Yagami]

It's like, people don't even realize what a perfect storm the original film was. It was thisclose to disaster. They wanted time travel, a flying/talking car (think GB from the Filmation cartoon), parallel dimensions... in the FIRST movie! The fact that nobody would pay for any of it is why they had to whittle it down to something presentable, but it was originally an over-stuffed mess. We got lucky.

Thing is, I study films a lot. I'm obsessed with the making-of, behind-the-scenes stuff. It's fun, it's fascinating, but you know what sucks? Finding out over and over again that YOUR favorite movie(s) of all time was a complete piece of sh*t before someone saved it in the editing room. Seriously. Every great film I've ever seen started out with a terrible script, constant studio interference, and no idea what the final product would be until the day it opened. Everything from "Back to the Future" to "Beetlejuice"... all terrible until the final cut. It's disheartening to constantly be faced with the cold, hard FACT that nobody in the business has any idea what they're doing, EVER.

Every good movie ever made was a complete accident. So forgive me if I'm a bit cynical. It's true, you really DON'T wanna know how the sausage is made. it's a bummer.

I am curious of Beetlejuice's origins.

[Leo656]

Off the top of my head, he was a bunch more rapey.

Been a while since I read the whole deal, but I rolled my eyes way more than I should have, while reading about how one of my all-time favorite movies was essentially a pile of junk for just, the longest time. Love the movie, but it was almost crap.

Remember, "There's many a slip twixt a cup and a lip."

[Sumac]

Every good movie ever made was a complete accident. So forgive me if I'm a bit cynical. It's true, you really DON'T wanna know how the sausage is made. it's a bummer.
That's a hyperbole.

[Leo656]

Yes, they're a fantastic way to make a broad point very quickly, Literal Larry.

"JUST 90% of movies" is probably a lot more reasonable, I suppose. Why not.

[Wildcat]

I don’t think good movies are accidents. I just think it’s a big process so of course things clash sometimes and the final movie does not end up as intended.

I know Dan’s original idea was more fantastical but it had to be toned down for budget reasons too.

Given there’s a teaser it could be farther along than it seems. There’s probably movies that are well passed the first stages of planning and ready to go into some kind of production by the time we hear about it.

The new Child’s Play remake was announced last summer. They said it was fast tracked and it did already film but think about it. The script, cast and everything else could not have been put together from it’s announment to filming.

They obviously planned it well before telling us they were going to do it.

[Leo656]

This isn't me being a dick, I'm simply making an observation that absolutely nothing in the teaser couldn't have been put together just as well by a well-equipped fan-filmmaker for YouTube. Probably in a weekend, too.

It was a slick piece of work, but it doesn't prove a single thing about anything. I liked it. Great atmosphere. But it hardly means they're "far along". They already backpedaled on whether or not the original cast had already agreed to appear - with the actors themselves publicly making it sound like this whole thing is as much news to them as it is to us. That hardly sounds like we're watching a Master Plan unfold.

I understand wanting to look forward to things and be excited - by the way, expect to grow out of that by the time you're my age :trazz: - but everyone would still do well to hold their horses.

As I said, even I'm only stating my feelings about ONE rumored idea, which I happen to not like. But we know NOTHING yet. The truth is, there's no wisdom in being either excited nor outraged by what we know for a fact right this minute. We have literally zero information.

[Wildcat]

I agree the teaser could have easily been made by anyone. I honestly thought it was a fan trailer at first. I was about to hit play but took a double take at the header.

I was just trying to say I don’t think Jason would be making an official teaser with the year included if it wasn’t at least greenlit.

Your age? I’m 34...how old are you?

[Leo656]

Not much older, but it hits like a brick, believe me.

I leaned over at work right after Christmas, heard a few cracks above my hip, and lost all use of my legs for a week. I gotta go see someone Thursday.

At 34 I could still throw a Superkick without needing the IcyHot for thres days after. :lol:

You think I'm kidding. Be afraid.

[Wildcat]

Actually I’ve had a herniated disc for years and my back would go out from time to time also making me lose all ability to walk or bend down.

It’s an injury I caused myself and though it’s gotten better sometimes it feels like giving out again. Worst pain I’ve ever experienced.

So surprisingly I know exactly what you mean.

[Leo656]

Somebody should be paying us for this "getting old" bullsh*t.

Nobody ran it by me. I'm just supposed to deal with it, even though I didn't agree to it? Nonsense. Plus it's expensive. I don't have time for it.

[Wildcat]

I don’t know if you have the same but for me nothing really worked. It’s just something that took weeks to go back into place. The first time I went to the hospital because I thought I broke something.

Now I have to move in certain ways. More cautious. I can tell it’s different. I don’t like to sit or stand too long because it gets sore. I try to balance it. No really heavy lifting. That’s how I injured it.

Consistent movement and stretching is what helped me. Not vigorous exercise just routine activity. Everybody is different though.

[Xav]

Only Ramis and Reitman knew what they were making and why it worked; one guy is dead, the other is retired from the series, and that kind of understanding is not hereditary. I'm sure his kid's a nice guy, but that doesn't mean he Gets It.But Ivan is still there as producer. I'm sure he'll give his son plenty of direction.

[Andrew NDB]

They already backpedaled on whether or not the original cast had already agreed to appear - with the actors themselves publicly making it sound like this whole thing is as much news to them as it is to us.

We know that's not true. Back at the 35th anniversary bash Hudson said "we're all aboard, let's just see if the studio wants to make it" and now we know that the studio does. Ergo, they're all aboard.

[Krutch]

As a kid I mostly watched the sequel. It's a solid movie. Does it stand up to the quality of the original? No, but that's a pretty insanely high bar to measure up to. Yeah, it's a retread of alot of the same beats as the first one (as were most 80s sequels) but its still fun and has a ton of original, creative ideas. A river of slime spawned by peoples hatred, an evil entity trapped inside a painting, "positive" ectoplasm proton-packs, the Janosz character... all great, great stuff. I didn't even know people didn't like it until the internet rolled around. My family and friends all thought it was dope.

[Andrew NDB]

As a kid I mostly watched the sequel. It's a solid movie. Does it stand up to the quality of the original? No, but that's a pretty insanely high bar to measure up to. Yeah, it's a retread of alot of the same beats as the first one (as were most 80s sequels) but its still fun and has a ton of original, creative ideas. A river of slime spawned by peoples hatred, an evil entity trapped inside a painting, "positive" ectoplasm proton-packs, the Janosz character... all great, great stuff. I didn't even know people didn't like it until the internet rolled around. My family and friends all thought it was dope.

Exactly. I had no idea I was supposed to hate it until like 5 years ago.

Also, sidenote... anyone who wants a laugh should look at the recent comments under the original Ghostbusters 2016 trailer on Youtube.

[Xav]

We know that's not true. Back at the 35th anniversary bash Hudson said "we're all aboard, let's just see if the studio wants to make it" and now we know that the studio does. Ergo, they're all aboard.In a radio interview from today. Hudson says he doesn't know if anybody is coming back at around the 10 minute mark.
https://989therock.radio.com/blogs/johnny-dare-morning-show/johnny-talks-actor-ernie-hudson-012219

[Leo656]

As a kid I mostly watched the sequel. It's a solid movie. Does it stand up to the quality of the original? No, but that's a pretty insanely high bar to measure up to. Yeah, it's a retread of alot of the same beats as the first one (as were most 80s sequels) but its still fun and has a ton of original, creative ideas. A river of slime spawned by peoples hatred, an evil entity trapped inside a painting, "positive" ectoplasm proton-packs, the Janosz character... all great, great stuff. I didn't even know people didn't like it until the internet rolled around. My family and friends all thought it was dope.

Yeah, pretty much the same.

One of my earliest lessons in refusing to let the Internet tell me how to think. I know what I watched and I know it was perfectly fine.
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Andrew: Obviously they're "on board" in the sense that they'll obviously participate if asked, but that doesn't mean anything is on paper yet. Maybe, maybe not. Obviously they'll be in it, I'm Just Saying. People need to slow their roll; a few shots of a car in a barn and some folks act like they've secretly filmed half the movie already and were just waiting to unveil it as a "surprise".

They're not far along at all, let's just wait and see. Besides, the OGs were in the last one, too... and I'm still really mad about it, so even their token contributions won't be enough to entice me, if everything else looks lame. Dan would make "Blues Brothers 3" for a turkey sandwich, I'm not gonna do jumping jacks just because he's involved in something. :lol:

We'll see.
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Wildcat: I'd be fine but my chiropractor refused to get involved since it happened at work and workman's comp won't pay for him to actually fix the problem. So I have to go to one of "their" doctors. It is what it is. Feel better.
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Xav: Thank you, that's exactly what I figured.

"They're all on board" simply means, "We're old, we're mostly not working, and we'll absolutely do this if we're asked to do it, but nobody's asked us YET."

Let's face it, they slapped a teaser together to see if anyone still cared, and since we do, NOW they're gonna sit down and actually plan the movie. That is fine, but my suspicion about the teaser being exactly all of what they've worked on so far seems accurate. Still a long way to go yet.

[drgon78]

The second Ghostbusters is still good, especially for a sequel.

[oldmanwinters]

Ok, anybody seen this statement from Leslie Jones?
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/leslie-jones-slams-ghostbusters-sequel-191458836.html

I lol'd at the irony here. Censored explicit language warning:
“So insulting. Like f—k us. We dint count,” the comedian wrote before making a political statement. “It’s like something trump would do. (Trump voice) ‘Gonna redo ghostbusteeeeers, better with men, will be huge. Those women ain’t ghostbusteeeeers’ ugh so annoying. Such a d—k move. And I don’t give f—k I’m saying something!!”

Then again, maybe she's just joking. Of course, right?

[Leo656]

Check a couple pages back, sir. We've all already called her an idiot. :trazz:

She's completely unbearable and really needs to watch her mouth. Unless she's got pictures of some high-level executive naked with a horse, her "job security" in Hollywood is practically nil.

Y'know, because she's fat, ugly, not funny, doesn't have an indoor voice, and to borrow an old saying from Bill Watts, "Couldn't draw flies if you rolled her in sh*t first." As in, she's not a bankable talent, nobody pays money to see her in anything, and she's absolutely worthless to the bottom line of any film she appears in.

Adds nothing, contributes nothing, talks like she's got a bucket of Oscars and Emmys. It's "great" watching people like that fail upwards in life. Seriously.

[oldmanwinters]

Check a couple pages back, sir. We've all already called her an idiot. :trazz:

Haha, glad to see y'all were already on top of this. I did go back one page or so, but didn't know how recent the comments were.

[Leo656]

It's funny, I thought that she quit social media because of all the racists?

Did Obama suddenly come back and "fix racism" again? Because I think there's still a few racists out there, and yet, Here's Leslie!

Maybe everyone should've just called her fat. Maybe that would've been the last straw, I'unno. I just love how these celebritards make a big show of quitting social media, then pop up again anyway despite nobody asking them to. Tell it to your cat, nobody else cares.

[Xav]

Ghostbusters 2016 Director Paul Feig Defends Leslie Jones' Ghostbusters 3 Comments (https://movieweb.com/ghostbusters-3-paul-feig-responds-leslie-jones/)An absolute honest to God never ending supply of ******** and hate from these trolls. Leslie spoke her truth and I support her. I am very open to Jason's new version of GB but am also sad that our 2016 team may not get to bust again. We all are. We're forever proud of our movie.

[Leo656]

"And there once more stood the valiant knight, his armor so white it was practically incandescent..." :lol:

[Wildcat]

Just heard the Ernie Hudson clip. So they have not officially signed on but until now all GB3 talk was a series of supposed confirmations and time frames that were never addressed again.

It’s funny too because they were always announced under the most random or obscure news sources. Just hearsay from Dan giving interviews about his plans.

Of course this could get canceled or delayed like any movie but the fact there is a teaser still blows my mind given the history.

The studio had to have given permission to make it and release it as an official piece of work. They approved it to say Summer 2020 (even if it does get changed or delayed for some reason).

That could never be done before with the legal issues that I assume are over since the reboot happened.

[Leo656]

It's like I say a lot, brutha. People jump the gun too quick nowadays. Positive or negative, we get a little too excited a little too fast.

I am strongly opposed to one of the *rumored* ideas I've heard, but it's just an idea, right now. It's not what the movie's gonna be, movie could be anything, we don't know yet.

Hope it's good, what can I say.

[Wildcat]

Well I was just speculating since other movies have been started by the time it’s announced. That’s why I brought up Child’s Play. I’m not surprised by it though.

I totally still believe the movie is happening until they state otherwise. It could be they just have not gotten to casting yet.

The reboot’s announcement...that could have easily been written off too given the history but it quickly became apparent it was real. That didn’t even have a teaser at first.

[Egon1982]

Deep down inside me, i've been burned, i've been burnt so badly by the 2016 movie and my trust with Sony with this franchise is at an all time low, is there is a reason why i should trust them? well Ivan is producing and his son is directing and the original cast is coming back, yeh! so! tell me again as myself is a die hard fan of the franchise i should be trustworthy, why i should trust and have faith in Sony for Ghostbusters after Stinkbusters.

Sure the teaser was a better teaser than Stinkbusters's teaser, but that's not saying much, that's like saying a piece of roadkill is better than a turd that's on the side of the road, both are pretty bad and both suck, maybe a piece of roadkill is better in respects at least you can look at that roadkill and bury it, unlike a piece of crap At least Roadkill was alive at one point, it had a story and a turd is just a piece of crap! and the purpose it serve of that it's long gone, all that's left is this putrid long time decaying body that never had a soul and never had any life. When you compare one teaser trailer like 2016's film which is just a soulless corporate cash-grab with bad jokes that looks like a trainwreck (which i thought 2016's film was definitely a trainwreck which i thought was shockingly unfunny, sexist to men with manbashing, awkward performances, ****** unfunny script, poor pacing, overlong, dislikable characters with no personality/charisma and all) to another teaser trailer that looks old school teaser style with a little bit of life but it's been ran over already because of the previous film, so technically i still feel it's a dead franchise at this point, Harold Ramis is dead, he's gone and he was the big part of why Ghostbusters was successful as he help wrote the first and second films as he was a big part of the creative process as sure Ackroyd was the brain but Ramis was the soul and heart of the film franchise. as he was even one of the founding members of the team plus he did co-wrote the game.

And if you don't have Egon, it just isn't the same and i feel that out of respect to Harold Ramis whom i admired over the years as a film lover of high standards, you should just let the franchise on film die! let it die with him, what made those two movies special was the creativity and chemistry of Ramis, Dan Aykroyd, Bill Murray and director Ivan Reitman. You CANNOT recreate that same magic without that team, and even more especially without a strong script and only Ramis can do a strong script.. Why do we have to keep doing this? especially soo soon?

Stinkbusters came out in 2016 and this is coming in 2020 so almost 40 years later we are getting another film? but in the teaser they had the ecto-one, the original music by Elmer Bernstein, sure it's a nice touch but it screams to me that it's trying to tug into your nostalgic heartstrings that's what it's doing and trying to be manipulative. It's like "oh look, there's the Ecto-1, oh look hey ghostbusters fans, there's the ecto-1 aren't you excited? here's the original music aren't you excited? ooh look we have the proton packs before the coming 2020 logo of the ghostbusters, aren't you excited?".

NO i am not! i'm not falling for this crap Sony! OK, i'm not, you busting my butt here, enough i'm not gonna fall for your horsecrap. This does in theory sound more promising than the reboot does as it's a sequel to the first 2 but having kids as main heroes in it with the old GBs as mentors? oh god, this is why i'm not looking forward to the new movie. It's a cashgrab to prey on nostalgia. It should rest in peace as a beloved classics and the true GB 3 is the video game.

I mean Ghostbusters was a once in a lifetime thing! you had all these amazing minds, and all these hilarious individual and made something special and unique in a situation and your not trying to capture lightning in a bottle again. I love Ghostbusters 2 as a fun sequel, when you compare it to the first movie it's not the same and doesn't have the same energy as the first one was a risk in production when it came out in pre-production, the studios thought he was crazy when they were doing this movie and thought it would be a failure as the risk paid off on the original as the risks took off and made the studio silenced.

For this new movie, it looks like there is no passion behind the camera but a moneygrab to get Stranger Thing's money, i didn't even want a Ghosbusters 3 to began with because it's too late, Harold Ramis has passed away, the energy is not gonna be there, the original guys are old and the new characters are not gonna be good in chemistry, humor or getting along like the original cast. I don't think it's a risk worth taking and they should had done the animated movie they were thinking and all. I mean Ghostbusters the game is GB 3 already, we don't need a third film that has kids or teens as main stars as it smells money grab.

The franchise should be left alone on film unless you can do another game or an animated film or animated show for Netflix/Hulu/Amazon but it's passed the time to do a third film, they should had made it 28 years ago while the GBs were still young and would had been worthwhile. The time passed and it's too late, it's too late to do it now, i'm sorry and this is coming from someone who is a fan of the series and a fan of the characters, they were a part of my childhood as i recalled seeing the first one in theaters in it's 85 re-issue and watched/taped every episode of the animated series every afternoon as a kid, had toys even the firehouse for christmas when i was a kid and saw part 2 in theaters on my birthday on opening day as i had a GB cake and some toys as well. I also remembered playing the arcade game and the Sega game plus i enjoyed some of the comics and played the video game in 2009 as it was awesome. But i just don't want to see anymore GB films.

i'm being honest and heatfelt without the "everything is awesome on film mentality" as i'm a real person with a passion for movies and can see the errors in Hollywood now and is not blinded by the beauty of a movie like reviving a long dead cinematic franchise like Ghostbusters or Die Hard which some need to be buried to rest in peace in favor of new franchises, let old glory rest for it earned it, and bringing something back from the dead is just gonna hurt it's legacy and eventually your just gonna get diminishing box-office returns and sometimes the bottom will completely fall.

I Just want new franchises like John Wick and Quiet Place to all and something different and to let Hollywood stop digging up franchises from the past and find new glory.

I am not interested in another Ghostbusters. It's been too long and at this point I'm tired of the cinematic nostalgia trend, we don't need any sequels to any past films (Except Mission Impossible is getting stronger as it had a couple of duds but the last film was excellent and Blade Runner 2 was surprisingly excellent), it's getting friggin' ridiculous this 80's/90s nostalgia craze on film.

I grew up in the 80's and 90s I'm turning 37 I love many many movies back then, in fact every weekend I went to the movies from the age of 3 to 17 back then and that was when movies were good before green screens and bad actors came along. So now what do we have we have 80's/90s kids that are adults trying to make sequels to the movies they loved which is ****ing stupid cause 90 percent of the time it's gonna suck the actors are gonna be old and usually not into it, the story is gonna be dumb cause there's no where else left to go.

I mean look at Sly Stallone making Rambo 5, he's on a horse dressed like John Wayne I mean come on I love Sly he's my top fav actors of all time but please leave Rambo in the passed he ended it perfect in Rambo 4. Anyhow Ghostbusters 3 exists as a game and that's the only GB 3 to me.

I mean sometimes on sequels, remakes, prequel reboots on film and all your just gonna get diminishing returns and the bottom will completely fall and all and sometimes enough is enough and create your own franchise. What we need are writers and directors who aren’t afraid to try something different and knew. They need to stop following the norm. John Wick is an example of a fresh new franchise than resurrecting a long dead franchise like Rocky (died with Balboa), Pirates of Caribbean, Rambo (died with 4), Ghostbusters (2 was the last worthwhile movie), Die Hard (last decent one was 4) and all that. For GB 3, It is clearly too late by this point and I am just tired of these studios getting these franchises and trying to redo same **** only not as good.

I Love Ghostbusters 1 and 2, but that trash 2016 reboot left such a bad taste in my mouth that I really don't want them to drive this franchise any deeper into the ground even if it ends up being good. I'd rather them not risk it. I'm also burnt out of Star Wars as the last good SW film to me is Return of the Jedi while the prequels/sequels were proof you cant strike lightning in a bottle twice and should had been left alone.

They need to learn from the success of the John Wick franchise to make new ones! I think the way to do justice is merchandise, games, comics, books and all as it's fair game than having it again on film.

Let's move on and try new cinematic franchises as i support new franchises. Being a Ghostbusters fan on film is like having a like an old sick dying pet, The good times were amazing and deep down you still love it, but keeping it alive now is just cruel and it's time to get the gun to put it down.

[Autbot_Benz]

regarding that long as post from above

hmmm didn't I read this same eye sore on The Blu Ray Forums. Oh Hi DenofEarth. didn't you just get suspended from that site for posting your long whiny Manifestos that nobody wants to read :lol:

[Egon1982]

Well what i'm saying is the honest and heartfelt high standard truth about the bottom line as i'm a truthful person with a passion for movies.

And it's true, your just gonna get diminishing returns and i'm tired of the cinematic nostalgia train as it should crash and stop hurting i's legacy, plus how i feel this franchise died with Ramis. All i want is new franchises like Wick i mentioned, it's something completely different and i just want some past cinematic franchises to have their corpses buried in a coffin and stay in the ground to rest in peace as it earned it's retirement from film.

i mean, look at Back to the Future for example, they don't mess with the legacy it left and they know you cannot recreate lightning in a bottle being the trilogy as Universal does different merchandise, caps, t-shirts, games, comics and all to respect the fans's love of the amazing trilogy.

[ranger_scout]

Sony has scheduled the film for release on July 10, 2020.

https://deadline.com/2019/01/morbius-ghostbusters-movie-release-dates-2020-1202542336/

[Leo656]

Ah, sh*t.

Hardlining your release date before you have a script or a cast is always a bad sign.

Fingers crossed, but... does anyone else feel like they basically just bet the entire farm on the reaction to the teaser? Like, "If this gets people talking, we go into fast-track production, otherwise we go back to square one"? Because it's starting to feel like that to me.

Like they had absolutely nothing on paper until a few days ago, and now they're rushing it to meet a release date. That's how it feels and it has me concerned. A year and some change isn't typically long enough to make a good movie. Two years is generally the least you need, more if it's a very SFX-heavy picture.

I'unno. The fact that they've only announced that "We're doing a movie" and "Here's when it comes out" seems way, way off. I expected we'd hear more about the script and cast before we went right to being able to pre-order tickets on Fandango. Seems weird.

[Wildcat]

But that’s what I meant. More work could already be done than we know. Stuff you can do without announcing it. Script, locations etc. Almost anything besides actual shooting.

Script might be the easiest thing in this case. Use or retool one of the many already done. I wouldn’t even be surprised if any actors unofficially agreed but can not admit it until some other point.

You really think they’d do it totally backwards? Teaser, script, cast, production? That makes no sense.

[Leo656]

Yes I do because it happens all the tiiiiiiiiime.

Even Dark Knight Rises had a release date before they even had a script, which Nolan has been publicly open about in apologizing for that film's relatively inferior quality to the first two. He wasn't even sure what the story was going to be, but he had WB executives screaming at him about hitting the release date; the movie was visibly rushed and quite sloppy in comparison to the previous two, which Nolan, to his credit, has admitted and apologized for more than once. It wasn't his fault, he did the best he could, but he and everyone involved has said that it wasn't the movie they really wanted to make. It's not terrible but it suffered greatly for being such a rush job.

As for this movie, Ernie Hudson literally just came out the other day and said bluntly that his phone hasn't rang, that he'll gladly do it if he's asked but nobody has asked him yet. Why would he lie about that? Especially when it was the producers who jumped the gun and said, "YEAH, the original guys are gonna be in it too! We think, maybe. Probably."

The next day, Dan and Ernie both go online and say, "This is as much news to us as it is to you. Nobody's talked to us about anything, but we hope they do so we can say yes." But they haven't.

They have NOTHING "official" and supposedly only put out casting feelers less than a week ago... but they have a release date locked in. That's not how this stuff is supposed to work, and when it does, the result is usually X-Men III.

It doesn't have to make sense, they just have to get something out before everyone decides they don't care. People are excited Right Now, and they want to capitalize on that. I get it, but... they're not handling this project in a way that displays confidence. More like panic.

Again... we'll see. Listen, I absolutely want this to turn out well WAY more than you do. But I'll get excited when I actually see something worth getting excited about, and I'll give them credit for it once they actually do the work. Not before. If they don't eat their meat they can't have any pudding.

[Wildcat]

I didn’t know about Dark Knight Rise. I’ve actually never seen it or read about it.

Ernie Hudson said they have not approached him with a contract. That does not equal “I’m totally out of the loop”. Even so he’s made it apparent he’ll do it.

Where did Dan Aykroyd say it was news to him? He brought it up first not long ago in some interview. So I don’t know about that.

I personally don’t believe any news is “news” to Dan. The leaked emails show he knew about the reboot before too I think. They also made that GhostCorps studio to specifically focus on Ghostbusters.

Sure lot of things might get rushed but I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

[Leo656]

Yeah, I notice you have a habit of doin' that. :lol:

[Wildcat]

Aw come on. Your habit is assuming movies will turn out bad or nobody actually cares :D

I just looked it up. It was the Dan Rather interview. That was in November but nobody believed him. I didn’t either because he’s said so many times. At least this time it seems he was right.

[Leo656]

Yeah but statistically I'm right way more often than not, so... :lol:

Again, I refuse to do a jig just because a producer of a failing franchise made a desperate play for my affections one last time. If it turns out good, I'll say so. Not before.

Last time, they deliberately told me to go get f*cked, because as an older fan who happened to be of the white male persuasion I was somehow a "toxic presence" in the fandom I clung to for several years after everyone else stopped giving a sh*t, until the internet was suddenly a thing and nostalgia was "cool". I was the "Last Diehard" before that, and my reward for my undying loyalty to this franchise in the face of the constant ridicule of my peers was, "We don't need You Fans anymore, we want better fans now." Then their little FemBusters project sucked a fat one, and NOW they want me to care. :roll: They're gonna need to scrub a little harder if they want me to gush, I'm not even half-hard yet.

They can promise and lie and do whatever they want; I'm not giving them an inch until I see something worth celebrating. More than a fan-film quality YouTube trailer and a release date that may as well be next week, for as "easy" as it is to get a big SFX movie off the ground. The last movie looked like sh*t, visually; they shouldn't rush things.

Again, if it's good, I'll gladly say so. If it's bad, I'll gladly sh*t on it. I can't speak to whether anyone else will be able to do the same. I want it to be good, but I'm not gonna cheerlead them. They f*cked up. Now they're doing the thing where your Dad buys you a new toy you asked for, to make up for drunkenly whipping your ass. Not exactly "noble" of them.

There's simply no reason to gush over them at this point. We simply don't know enough, and what we do know isn't very reassuring. We know they loved the last one, and think we're all stupid for not buying it. We know this project is the metaphorical equivalent of them on their knees begging for another chance, swearing that they've changed and won't ever stray again. We know that people who don't understand WHY they were wrong in the first place never truly change their ways; at least if you've ever been in therapy. Above all, we know they desperately want another hit franchise because they hate sharing Spider-Man with Disney, and it's pretty much this or... well, it's gotta be this. And we know that less than two years ago, they flat-out said, "We'll be fine; we don't need YOU." And now, we know they're sorry. And more than a little desperate.

Those are the things we KNOW; everything else is conjecture. Based on that... yeah, I'll dance when I hear music, not before. Right now, I'm hearing the same bullsh*t the Platinum Dunes people were spewing, and we know how that turned out.

BUT. If it's good, then it's good. I'll make that call If and When. Way too early to be excited about anything whatsoever. As I've implied before, after a certain number of disappointments you learn how to see sh*t coming, and you figure out how to duck before you even see the swing. The alternative stings after a while.

[Wildcat]

Ghostbusters never stopped being popular though. It’s just the legal issues kept holding it back. I’m sure they would have made more sooner.

(NOT trying to start anything anyone, I’m just replying)

I genuinely do not think the reboot was intended to persuade anyone of anything. It was another remake that had an unimaginable reaction. Even before all the PC/sexism arguments.

I remember reading the announcement on IMDb and not thinking much of it and then it blew up like nothing before. People rose up like it was the end of cinema.

That people would be so grotesquely offended by the existence of a movie amazes me. It disappoints me a little too. Not for the movie’s sake but that people chose to make a movie that important. It’s something truly historic that happened. As silly as that sounds.

I thought the reboot effects were fine but could be better used. Like more creative scenes. The giant Rowan/Ghost at the end looked cool.

[Leo656]

Sure it did. There's a chance some of it was regional, but I can attest that proudly wearing a Ghostbusters shirt after 1990, 1991 at the latest, was a great way to get teased by the other kids for liking "old" stuff that wasn't popular anymore. At least around here it was.

I can only speak to my own experience, not having the internet until 2000, but for the entirety of the 1990s I never talked to anyone who ever gave a sh*t about Ghostbusters, except to maybe briefly talk about it in terms of something they watched as kids but were "too cool" for now.

It wasn't a forgotten relic 0f the 80s like "Teen Wolf" or whatever, but it definitely wasn't "popular". That's revisionist history.

[Candy Kappa]

Honestly. At this point, I don't really care all that much for a third "real" GB movie. That train left when Ramis passed, and it should have been made around 2006-2010 when Rocky Balboa, John Rambo, Red and Expendables was going on, they're a bit late on the "old retired people doing cool ****" movie fad.

This can so easily be the next Blues Brothers 2000, and thanks I hate it.

[Leo656]

:lol: WOW, Blues Brothers 2000, huh? :lol: Let's not say things we can't take back. :trazz:

But yeah, I agree, the moment has passed, all the more reason for my skepticism. The only thing about this entire franchise that hasn't been botched in 25 years is the goddamn video game. Which is fantastic, but that's a travesty.

[Andrew NDB]

I've heard good things about the Ghostbusters comics. I don't feel any urge to read them, but they're out there.

[Wildcat]

Sure it did. There's a chance some of it was regional, but I can attest that proudly wearing a Ghostbusters shirt after 1990, 1991 at the latest, was a great way to get teased by the other kids for liking "old" stuff that wasn't popular anymore. At least around here it was.

I can only speak to my own experience, not having the internet until 2000, but for the entirety of the 1990s I never talked to anyone who ever gave a sh*t about Ghostbusters, except to maybe briefly talk about it in terms of something they watched as kids but were "too cool" for now.

It wasn't a forgotten relic 0f the 80s like "Teen Wolf" or whatever, but it definitely wasn't "popular". That's revisionist history.Really? It wasn’t as relevant or at peak nostalgia as now but it’s stuck around through all these years.

It had the Extreme cartoon, comics and collectible lines of toys and the video games. People have still obviously cared about it.

I never came across anyone thinking it was uncool after a certain point.

[Leo656]

Speed Racer has been "around" a lot longer than Ghostbusters. No sane person would call it "popular". Not even the lunatic with the Mach V hood decal tattooed on his arm who you're presently speaking to. Longevity and brand awareness are not equal to "popularity". I'm objective enough to recognize that.

The fact that you, I, and a few obsessive internet geeks remember Extreme Ghostbusters doesn't change the fact that even a huge majority of people who self-identify as "Ghostbusters Fans" never heard of it. Doesn't make it bad, but it appeared during a time when the franchise was dead. Just like all that other stuff. I'm glad those things exist; most people don't know about them. Not even the people who should.

You and I are a tiny minority even among the fanbase, it appears. The biggest difference between us here simply seems to be, I only want another movie if it's really good, while it seems you're just happy they're doing a movie at all. I could be wrong, and even if I'm not it's entirely your prerogative. It's just that I, personally, can't find any logic in being hopeful YET when we don't know a single thing except the date.

Websites are already starting to post articles questioning the truncated period of time between now and the release date, and pointing out that it's questionable to lock in a date when no script or cast exist. And "insiders" have confirmed that no, those things do NOT exist, yet. It ain't just me, babe. People are getting over their nerd boners and waking up to the fact that Sony apparently hasn't learned anything, and some of us are nervous.

Because right now, we don't KNOW if they "remember" how to make a good Ghostbusters movie, we only know with any certainty that they know how to make a bad one.

We both love what the brand used to be, that much is clear. You're apparently still capable of trust and unconditional love, and that's neat. I'm not. But in my own defense, my parents used to beat the absolute sh*t outta me, so yeah, I don't much do the "love", "trust", "forgiveness" game. :lol:

I promise to show some enthusiasm at a future date if it's appropriate. That's all I can do.

[Wildcat]

I actually do care more than just getting another movie.

I liked the reboot alright but it still really disappointed me that it was not some sort of a continuation. It would have been so easy to do and much appreciated. I don’t know why Feig insisted it be a remake/reboot. That and I would have changed a few things.

Sure I’m happy this is happening. I think that given it’s a true continuation with the same people behind it (kinda) makes it worth getting excited about in and of itself.

I do see people wondering if it’s ignoring part 2. I hope not. I liked GB2 even though it was redoing stuff.

On a side note I think GB was a little more impactful than Speed Racer. Nothing against that franchise but even that...I’m sure studios know almost everything has a fan base. They did do a live action movie and some revivals.

[Leo656]

Oh it was absolutely more impactful; despite being a big part of bringing anime to America, Speed Racer has always been fairly niche. But, like Ghostbusters, it's never been completely "gone", either. They were both really popular briefly and then faded out to almost nothing, but still have plenty of diehard fans. They've also each had at least one revival that did more harm than good. So they do have a lot in common.

I also mentally link them because they were the two most popular comic books published by NOW Comics in the late-80s. :)

I also think that at this point, neither one needs another revival and are maybe (probably?) better off being put to bed for good and admired as products of their time. I feel that way about a lot of things that I love. I love them SO much, I would rather see them encased in amber and kept pristine, rather than seeing them beaten to death by constant mishandling and shoddy reboots.

I don't NEED new Speed Racer, Ghostbusters, He-Man or TMNT product. In fact, most of it just pushes me away because it has nothing that I liked about those things in the first place. They existed, they were awesome, and the people handling them now don't understand them. I'd be just fine with all of it being put away, so I can just appreciate them as the awesome things they were.

Instead, with every reboot announcement, I'm forced to worry about, "Great, how are they gonna f*ck it up THIS time?" Because they usually do. My heart can't take the strain.

[Leo656]

Great article.

https://film.avclub.com/why-does-more-ghostbusters-always-provoke-such-anxiety-1832054956/amp

[Wildcat]

Read the whole article but respectfully disagree. Speaking for myself anyway, I honestly DID and DO like it for the ghosts and gear stuff first.

I’ve read very similar things before about how they could have worked in a bakery but let’s be serious. The concept of having weapons to fight the supernatural is what attracted us. Kids and teens anyway.

If it was about any working-joe occupation it might have still been a great movie like others of the 80s, but it was not going to have the same affect without the fantasy elements.

In general this is what I hate about all popular franchises. There’s always a portion of the fan base that claims it should be “left alone forever” and to me it just comes off as...I will not accept any changes because it’s not the same. :roll:

“corporation’s wielding of nostalgia as a cynical and predatory force of consumerism.”...This quote. Seemly nothing can get updated, expanded or revived without getting labeled.

If everyone thought this way we would not have a lot of the cool stuff we do have. No sequels to anything. Everything would be a 1-off thing. Movies, games, books, tv. That’d be pretty sad.

[Leo656]

That's your opinion.

It's my opinion that the world only needed one Jaws movie, and one Jurassic Park, and it would be just super if we could talk about them in the context of, "That one great movie," without the implicit coda of, "Before it all went to sh*t." Why do we have to fix things until they break?

It's obvious that you're an optimist while I'm a cynic. Obviously, it works for you. It doesn't work for me. Optimism as a general philosophy is extremely foolish to me. Just so you're aware.

Literally every opinion I hold is rooted in the firm belief that it's better to expect disaster and be pleasantly surprised, rather than be constantly hopeful and in turn eternally disappointed when things don't meet expectations. Because most things WILL, statistically, fall short of expectations. Best to be prepared.

Which, contrary to popular belief, doesn't mean I hate everything. I like many things. It's just that I decide whether or not they're any good when I see them, and not a year or two before. And further, since I expect most things to be lousy, I'm often pleasantly surprised, which is nice.

Compare to the many who whine constantly about things "not meeting expectations". That's what happens when you get too excited about things.

Cynicism isn't "constant negativity", as some would say. It's about having realistic expectations based on logic and factual evidence rather than emotion. It's about objectivity, and judging things for what they are instead of what we'd like them to be. Which, in turn, leads to a generally happier life.

But that's me. Obviously, we're not the same.

[Wildcat]

I don’t know if it’s that I’m an optimist exactly. I do not love everything about everything. There’s franchises I’ve never even gotten into.

I do feel that most stuff has expanded well enough though if not better in some cases. Every franchise has its slump or bad installment but that’s bound to happen with anything. I don’t think of it as doom.

I just view franchise updates as building on stuff. I like world/universe building. A lot of things are well suited for it. It’s fun to see.

There’s things I am actually cynical about. Believe it or not. Real life things. Entertainment has never been one for me though. I find most stuff enjoyable. To a certain extant at least. Depends how invested I am in the franchise.

[Allio]

I've heard good things about the Ghostbusters comics. I don't feel any urge to read them, but they're out there.

Yeah they are fun, they just recently finished their big crossover of busters in Crossing Over...it was nice and Holtzman wasn't bad in it.

Though I am curious how they are going to handle thecomics and Sony/Ghost Corps treats the IDW comics as an actual continuation of the movies (as they refer to them as "Prime") I guess at worst the comics will be treated as the lost years between 2 and 3.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah they are fun, they just recently finished their big crossover of busters in Crossing Over...it was nice and Holtzman wasn't bad in it.

Though I am curious how they are going to handle thecomics and Sony/Ghost Corps treats the IDW comics as an actual continuation of the movies (as they refer to them as "Prime") I guess at worst the comics will be treated as the lost years between 2 and 3.

Just a guess but... by completely ignoring them.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I used to watch the Real Ghostbusters cartoon.

[Allio]

Just a guess but... by completely ignoring them.

Well, I mean if you want to go the boring route I suppose.

[Egon1982]

Honestly. At this point, I don't really care all that much for a third "real" GB movie. That train left when Ramis passed, and it should have been made around 2006-2010 when Rocky Balboa, John Rambo, Red and Expendables was going on, they're a bit late on the "old retired people doing cool ****" movie fad.

This can so easily be the next Blues Brothers 2000, and thanks I hate it.

Blues Brothers 2000 sucked badly i agree, i think this might suck bad like that but not as horrible as Stinkbusters (2016 movie which i'm not gonna call it Ghostbusters and doesn't deserve to be called GBs) and i agree this franchise on film died with Ramis, time to come up with new franchises.

[Leo656]

Well, I mean if you want to go the boring route I suppose.

Boring, maybe, but that's exactly what they're going to do.

There'd really be no upside in trying to shoehorn in a handful of comics that nobody read, to reconcile a movie that was extremely divisive with whatever movie comes next, which may or may not be just as divisive, we don't know yet.

At best, it'll be vague. Kinda like Ghostbusters II made zero mention of any of the events of Real Ghostbusters, either the cartoon or the moderately successful NOW Comics run. I liked that the 5 Year Gap happened, and kept things intentionally vague as far as when, exactly, the "downward spiral" began, and how many other adventures, if any, they had between the first and second movies. Some of the stuff in the comics and cartoons may have happened, all of it may have happened, or none of it. That was probably the smartest way of handling it.

That's probably how they'll handle it this time, as well. Which only makes sense.

[Krutch]

Hey speaking of sequels, whats the consensus of The Lost World? Do people say it sucks now, too? I remember when it came out everyone liked it until the T-Rex in New York stuff. At least, thats what I remember the conversation being.

(I know it's a bit off topic but it's really not worth starting a whole new thread, either)

[TigerClaw]

Hey speaking of sequels, whats the consensus of The Lost World? Do people say it sucks now, too? I remember when it came out everyone liked it until the T-Rex in New York stuff. At least, thats what I remember the conversation being.

(I know it's a bit off topic but it's really not worth starting a whole new thread, either)
I liked The Lost World. The part with the T-Rex in San Diego was my favorite part of the whole movie.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Lol, yeah, it was almost like getting a free Godzilla minimovie as a bonus! Though I kind of felt sorry for the dog....

[Krutch]

Though I kind of felt sorry for the dog....Yeah! That dog always gets me. It's like the dead Ewok in Jedi for Jurassic Park :ohwell:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I dunno, at least the Ewok was able to fight back, and he died heroically. The poor dog never had a chance.

[Voltron]

At best, it'll be vague. Kinda like Ghostbusters II made zero mention of any of the events of Real Ghostbusters

You know, this always bothered me. But when I went back and watched the series on Netflix, they actually address this in the cartoons.

Turns out, the Real Ghostbusters from the series are the REAL Ghostbusters, like literally. They actually go to see the movie about them in the show. I think it was season 1 episode 10, "Take Two". Episode 11 happens immediately after the battle with Gozer.

Either way, I love that we got so much out of the universe. The new movie sounds cool, but I'm not going to get my hopes up. . . I miss Egon.

[Leo656]

I always loved that episode. Very, very clever, and frankly, far beyond what was necessary to satisfy us at the time. But it was nice that they went the extra mile like that. Good stuff.

[Sumac]

Hey speaking of sequels, whats the consensus of The Lost World? Do people say it sucks now, too? I remember when it came out everyone liked it until the T-Rex in New York stuff. At least, thats what I remember the conversation being.

(I know it's a bit off topic but it's really not worth starting a whole new thread, either)
When it did not suck?

I mean, TLW is very uneven movie, with some really brilliant parts and very boring parts, making overall mediocre package.

[Leo656]

https://screenrant.com/ghostbusters-3-ernie-hudson-jason-reitman/

In brief... nobody's been hired to be in it and nothing's set in stone. Still.

I predict that at the very least they'll end up pushing back the release date. They'd better. Clock's ticking and they've got nothing but "good intentions". They probably will; I imagine they just announced a date to express confidence while people were paying attention to them. Once they actually have a script and a cast, they'll probably push it back at least two or three months.

I also think it's sad that Ernie Hudson essentially has to beg to be involved in this, and that they more or less have to find a way to "fit him in" somewhere. To know that it's been like a month and nobody's even bothered reaching out to the original cast - or so it seems - is disheartening. I guess it makes sense that they want to have a better idea where they're going first, but still. Getting those guys involved - Officially - should have been Day One stuff.

[Wildcat]

That’s not really news but even if nobody has been officially given the parts which just means contracts have not been signed. I’m positive neither Dan or Ernie are “begging” to be in it.

Anyway there was an interview with Kevin Smith where Jason told him exactly what he had planned. So at the absolute least a treatment must exist.

Getting delayed a couple months would be ok unless they really wanted it to be a summer movie. Would fit in October too with Halloween.

[Andrew NDB]

https://screenrant.com/ghostbusters-3-ernie-hudson-jason-reitman/

He's playing around. Like Reitman said, they want to unravel this movie and what it is "like a present." Hudson has been told to shut his mouth, probably even told what to say if asked about it.

There's very little point in making a Ghostbusters movie within the realm of the original movies that doesn't feature the old Ghostbusters.

[Leo656]

If the "present" ends up being "13-year old Ghostbusters", it's a lot less "Unwrapping it in layers" and a lot more "We need a very delicate way of selling people on a very questionable idea, and our marketing team hasn't figured out how to do that yet."

[Andrew NDB]

If the "present" ends up being "13-year old Ghostbusters", it's a lot less "Unwrapping it in layers" and a lot more "We need a very delicate way of selling people on a very questionable idea, and our marketing team hasn't figured out how to do that yet."

Oh, you're not wrong. There's probably a ton of that. Focus groups and corporate execs trying to figure out how best to unveil this movie in light of... everything that happened with the all-girls GB movie and all the fallout. But that's exactly why I guarantee you they have Hudson with a hard gag order and marching orders.

[Leo656]

At this point - and especially after last time - it's gonna take a lot more than Those Guys to get me excited, anyways. They've all proven that they'll take any gig for a sandwich. Their involvement doesn't promise anything, quality-wise. And if the Endgame is just to "give the shine" to some Junior High Schoolers, that'll be more than enough to make me stay home.

That's my biggest concern. Not that they won't get the original cast; we all know that's a given no matter who's still not "booked". If they showed up for the last one, they'll show up for the next one, no matter what it ends up being. My concern is, they didn't get out in front of the rumors and assuage people about a really lame idea. "No, that's dumb, we're not going with children." That's all they had to say.

They didn't, and that's bad. Two decades after everybody's caterwauling about Jake Loyd in Episode I, and people still haven't learned anything. "This is the one with kids in it" is a really bad gimmick, regardless of property or franchise, and every single time, the only message it sends is, "We're out of ideas."

Again, maybe they won't do it, but if not, they already should have said, "We can't tell you what we're doing, but we promise it's not that."

[Wildcat]

Why does it have to be any kind of guise?

Are we gonna throw Jason Reitman into the whole agenda thing too?

Let them make a movie. It’s certainly going in the right direction.

[Andrew NDB]

Why does it have to be any kind of guise?

Ghostbusters 2016.

[Leo656]

How can anyone say anything with "certainty" when we literally only know two things?

- They're making a movie
- They want it out in 15 months

We know NOTHING about "direction". Even my misgivings are only based on hearsay and conjecture; the entire kids thing may well yet be a smokescreen. I'm just concerned because they haven't done the right thing and completely debunked it. But they still may.

We don't know the "direction" yet. We don't know anything except a tentative release date. Period.

As for Jason Reitman, I have no clue who he is aside from "Ivan's kid." That means zero at all, to me. Curt Hennig (Mr. Perfect to neophytes) was an amazing wrestler, his kids are probably nice people but talent definitely skipped a generation in that family. You can grow up immersed in something and have "The Genes", it doesn't mean anything. These things aren't hereditary.

Look at Landis's worthless kid. Need I say more?

[Wildcat]

The direction is making a proper sequel while bringing in new members for business. That’s an obvious direction. How much or how little the original Ghostbusters are involved well they’ll certainly have significant parts since the context of the story needs establishing.

To be honest I personally do not mind teenage GB. What’s important to me is story. In all honesty that’s my number 1 thing. A good follow up, a creative plot and setup for future movies.

[Leo656]

Kids can't act.

And putting that completely aside - because that ultimately may not even matter - you assume much from a 30-second teaser and a press release.

The only thing "obvious" is that they are indeed making a movie. Nothing else is "obvious". At all. We have exactly Zero information. Still.

Actually, I take that back. One thing IS obvious: They still know how to get a Pavlovian response from the right type of fan, even after the last movie. "Look, the car! The library music! They TOTALLY nailed it!" :lol:

[Wildcat]

What else do I need to determine it’s a proper sequel with some kind of new members? They’ve flat out said it’s a follow up with the remaining 3 originals (in some capacity at least).

I’m supposed to assume it’s not really a follow up?

Plot and storyline are obviously not known. Those could very well be just as repetitive or totally outrageous I guess.

[Andrew NDB]

We know more about this movie than we do about SW Episode IX... and that drops in like 9 months and has already filmed.

This is the marketing game.

[Leo656]

We could decide when the movie exists and not a year in advance. That would be great.

Make no mistake, I definitely won't spread for any old thing but I'm not incredibly hard to please. But getting overly excited based on a teaser - which even a fan could have made in a weekend - and the "promises" of studio executives - whose JOB it is to lie and jerk people off - is incredibly naive and foolish. Them saying, "We're gonna do better this time" is meaningless. No less an "authority" than Kevin Eastman "promised" a great deal about those BayTurtles movies, and I STILL owe his house a good egging for spewing such horse sh*t out loud and in public.

Words are words. If you want to take everything you hear as gospel, that's your prerogative. All I'm saying is, I will be excited when there's ANYTHING to be excited about. "Another movie" isn't enough by itself.

Mark my words, if and when they do ANYTHING worthy of praise, I will be sure and praise it. So far all they've done is talk big. I'm a carny by trade (at least on occasional weekends). "You can't work a worker", period. Masters of misdirection can spot the tricks and the sleight-of-hand. I smell a con, but if I'm wrong? Good! Nobody wants a good movie more than I do.

I'll award them the points when they cross home plate, and not a step before.

[Leo656]

We know more about this movie than we do about SW Episode IX... and that drops in like 9 months and has already filmed.

This is the marketing game.

Not true. We know Episode IX will be full of SJW-isms, all the male characters will be impotent morons in comparison to their uterus-enhanced peers, and that any Original Trilogy characters with a penis will be made to look bad at the expense of Leia and Rey.

I don't know the PLOT of the movie, no. But I know those things will be included because I watched the last two. :lol:

Sorry to double post, phone is being goofy.

[Wildcat]

Well it’s definitely possible the movie does not turn out very good.

To claim that everyone involved is a pawn in some conspiracy that the studio has to make us watch another Ghostbusters movie...well that’s just absurd.

[Leo656]

Whoever said anything about any of that?

If people want to preorder tickets 15 months in advance based on a 30-second teaser and a handjob, then that proves no "conspiracy" is necessary. :lol:

Nobody said anything about that. Empty promises and misdirection? Sure, but as Andrew pointed out, that's not a conspiracy, that's The Business.

Any guy can brag often and loud about having a 10-inch penis, "And just WAIT until you see it!", and women everywhere have a choice: swoon and throw themselves at his feet based on what he SAYS, or wait until they're in bed with him and find out for sure. Either way, no sense having an orgasm based on Promises.

Remember: Every guy is at least 10 inches, according to Them. In reality? Eh.

[Wildcat]

Well the way you made it sound about them “working” us.

If it were the same people, director etc. I would agree about not getting excited too early but again it’s a different team. But you seem to think the studio executives actually run everything in secret.

Wasn’t it’s different for Eastman and the PD movies? He doesn’t own the turtles anymore (does he at all?) so it’s not his fault they turned out poorly. He didn’t have a hand in making them.

[Leo656]

But he did choose to lie, often and loud, in exchange for a paycheck. You're right, he had no say in anything. So he really should have kept his mouth shut. But they knew that they needed "hardcore" fans to show up if the movies were to succeed, so they used him to work everyone. I saw right through it, but other people willingly believed all the obvious lies about "hardcore ninja action" and whatnot. They were CLEARLY lies, but some people chose to believe. "Kevin loves us! He's one of us! He wouldn't lie to us! Not for MONEY!" :lol:

And that's what I mean about them "working" you. A "work" is a Con, but it doesn't have to mean a total lie. It ultimately just means that they know exactly how to get people to react the way they want. They know what to say, what you wanna see, etc. I read that press release, I see nothing but buzzwords and hype. Nothing of substance. Nothing to solidify an opinion on, certainly. But other people see "proof" that they've learned a lesson and can't possibly fail to make a good movie this time. But how do we know? "Well, they SAID..."

They said what they know you and other people want to hear. And that's the job. Which is why it is indeed called "a work". Again, that doesn't mean that they have nothing, or that the product can't or won't be good. It just means, it's their job to manipulate people into being excited - whether or not there's anything YET to be excited about - and people's response proves that they do indeed know how to do it.

So I will praise them for being good at generating a response. I won't praise them for a movie that 1. Doesn't exist yet, and 2. Might not be good.

If and When. If, and When.

[Wildcat]

I still think this situation is different. Jason Reitman is not there just to generate hype. He willingly signed up to do it.

As for the press release and teaser I would not call it “a work”. I mean are they not supposed to give out the information? Every movie has to generate attention. I can only believe it for now because they officially announced it.

The way you describe it though is just...I know, you’re a cynic :D

[Leo656]

Because NOT being a cynic makes no practical sense. It's literally begging for disappointment, over and over again. "Optimists" spend their entire lives bent over, bleeding from the ass and wondering how it all went wrong.

"We'll see" means exactly that. We haven't seen anything yet to base any substantial opinions on. If it looks good, I will celebrate, and if it's a kids movie, I stay home. Very simple.

All we know is, "something" is coming out in 15 months, give or take. I don't plan more than 15 minutes ahead, ever. This won't be any exception.

[Wildcat]

Ok some of your descriptions are funny but I do think that mentality is pretty over the top.

It’s not about wishful thinking...more logical assessments and giving the benefit of the doubt.

[Leo656]

On what purpose does anybody DESERVE benefit of the doubt? Ever?

Life Lessons By Which To Stay Happy and Avoid Disappointment:

- Hope for the Best
- Prepare for/Expect the Worst
- Judge ALL things and people on their Performance and not their Potential

Do that, and life is pretty simple. I see no difference between "giving someone the benefit of the doubt", and awarding points for things that haven't been achieved yet.

People shouldn't "give benefit of the doubt", they should remain neutral and objective about all things. "Well, they haven't done anything wrong yet!" True story. But they haven't done anything "right" yet, either. No room for scorn, but certainly no room for praise. Praise for what, promises?

There's nothing "logical" about giving people applause for what they SAY they're going to do. Hold the applause until after they've earned it. THAT is a "logical" position, and it really shouldn't need to be defended.

[Wildcat]

I agree with those 3 but it seems your default is to assume things/people are naturally disingenuous.

For me it’s give a fair shake before determining something...benefit of the doubt. Because why not? I think you have to give a little bit of trust otherwise why pick anybody to do anything?

Ya you could say I’m more an Optimist but like I said it’s not about “power of positivity”. It’s knowing that everything (generally speaking of course) has just as much a chance to turn out good as it does bad.

That and being cynical seems like a needlessly stressful way of looking at things. That’s just me though.

[Leo656]

That and being cynical seems like a needlessly stressful way of looking at things. That’s just me though.

It is indeed just you.

The thousands upon thousands of items on my DVD shelf (and my video game shelf, for that matter) would seem to thoroughly debunk the idea that I simply "hate everything", or whatever the narrative is around this sh*thole, but you know how people love projecting their own standards onto others. :roll:

Being selective, having personal standards, and taking a "wait-and-see" approach to things has nothing to with being "negative" or "being stressed out."

I get stressed out when my back goes out and I can't go to work. Or my neck goes out and I can't feel my hands. Those are "stress" situations. I DON'T get stressed out about movies and cartoons because they're ultimately not important. I simply explain why I have my own opinion, and why it doesn't HAVE to be Your Opinion. Or anyone else's opinion.

What we ultimately have here, is a situation of you (or anyone) saying, "Why can't YOU be as excited as ME about this thing or that thing?" And I've already explained it: Because I don't do jumping jacks for every single announcement, I wait until I have a product in my hand (or in front of my eyes) before I judge it. And sometimes not even then. With movies, particularly, it usually takes about three times before I have a "final" opinion (although once for "Answer the Call" was more than enough).

It's amazing how in this place, people insist "everyone can have their own opinion", when that simply isn't true. You want me to feel the way you do, and I don't. I'm sorry it bothers you - or anyone - that I refuse to get excited about a movie that DOESN'T EXIST YET.

Again, my DVD/games/misc. collection most likely dwarfs yours, and I don't say that as a shot at you. I say it as evidence that, despite being selective and having my own reasons for Why and When I decide to show enthusiasm about something, I probably like more things than I don't. If I was a "cynic who hated everything", I wouldn't be drowning in media and spending thousands of dollars on entertainment product. That's just math, buddy.

If the fact I wanna see something tangible before getting excited bothers you so much, then I'm simply not the one with the problem. Let Other People Have Opinions.

Your way is just a mature way to look at life.
Constant immature cynicism leads to nothing, but to feeling like **** all the time.

Once again, speak for yourself and ONLY yourself. There's nothing "mature" about grabbing one's dick for every single teaser trailer. :roll:

[Andrew NDB]

I honestly like both Leo656 and Sumac... I refuse to enter into any opinions here. You guys are like oil and vinegar. If I had brothers (I don't, only child) it would be like watching them fight. Interesting to watch yet I don't want to see either one go away.

[Leo656]

Don't poke the bear, brother.

Me and Wildcat are/were having a civil conversation, even if we don't agree on when it's "appropriate" to start doing a jig about an upcoming film. We don't have to agree. He can be excited right now all he wants, as long as I'm allowed to wait and see for myself whether this movie - or any movie - deserves my attention. I'm allegedly still allowed to have my own opinion, and to explain why I feel that way. "Allegedly".

Anyone who wants to interject themselves into that just to try and start another argument - when they're not even involved in the conversation - is eventually going to wish they'd stayed out of it. Especially if they've already been given Temp Bans and multiple verbal warnings.

Machias told me several months ago exactly how she wants me to handle these situations, and I'm abiding by her wishes. Eventually, the situation will be resolved. Nobody has to like it; they're not "the boss". Unlike some people here, I do what the Mods say, especially when it's a "direct order" from on high.

Now, if we're collectively going to talk about the movie, instead of making insinuations about each others' personal taste, that's great. I've got no problem with Wildcat at this point, and as far as I can tell he doesn't have much problem with me, so it would be great if our civil difference of opinion can REMAIN civil, without other people getting involved saying how either one of us is "supposed" to think, feel, or act.

I shouldn't have to defend my opinion. Compared to most people here, I'm always far more enthusiastic about these things when I see them. I watch how people here post about movies and things; lots of times, there's tons of whining about things not living up to expectations. Well, maybe in that case, people should curb their enthusiasm until they've got the final product in front of them. That's all I've been saying. Grand Expectations lead to Grand Disappointment. And I promise you, I'm disappointed FAR less often than any of you people seem to be. I generally think most things are Just Fine, I simply wait until I see them in full before I commit to them. That should be Allowed.

Asking too much, I know. But it would be nice.

[Andrew NDB]

I've actually not been venturing any opinions lately about this because you're owning the thread. And I don't agree with any of what you've been saying about this movie.

But since we're here, it's 1 AM, and we're both probably drunk...

#1: It's happening. Stop saying it's not.

#2: The OG Ghostbusters will absolutely be involved. Hudson did a work and you know it.

#3: Yes, kid actors can work. I do work in film and it's said, the two things you don't want to work with are "children and animals." And it's true. But it can. "It" cast was great. "Stranger Things" cast was great. It's hard but it can work. And we have no idea what % of screentime is even going to the kids, and we still don't even know if these kids are going to be 12 or if they're going to be 17. Or even officially if there is kids as mains in any capacity.

[Voltron]

Again, I'd much rather NOT have to lock threads and delete posts because certain individuals are passive aggressive.

This is fair warning: the current thread of discussion is fine, even if a bit heated. But let's lay off the "immature" pot shots.

[Wildcat]

No I don’t have any problem with anybody really. Leo656 actually gives genuine responses. Other posts (here and elsewhere) are obviously just for attention or to rile things up. I’ve always been able to easily ignore that stuff.

@Leo656, Not to drag this specific discussion on but...I did not mean you literally stressed over movies and such. I meant a cynical mindset just seems like harsh view to have towards things.

The last thing I’ll say is I honestly do not expect others to share the same opinion or level of excitement. I just think the level of scrutiny some have for movies is too high. I think I’ve mentioned that before somewhere. I don’t know just seems unfair to me.

[Voltron]

For the sake of clarification, there were at least two people having a discussion who weren't being immature. So long as we can be respectful of each other, arguing personal philosophy over how we approach new media (or life) is A-OK.


In terms of both Leo656 and WildCat, I stand a bit closer to Wildcat but totally understand Leo's point. I hope for the best but expect the worst. Or at least, I try not to get my hopes up too much. I'm a big fan of a lot of characters, and want to see them done justice when adapted to the big screen (or some other media). I know a lot of what I (or others) like has to be retooled to make something more palatable for the sake of mass consumption, but sometimes there seems to be a total lack of respect for the material.

The last two Star Wars movies left me cold. Because of that, I'm wary about any continuation of franchises that I've loved since I was a kid. Too many times they just. . . botched the whole thing.

Star Wars: Episodes VII and VIII
Ghostbusters: Answer the Call
Teenage Mutant Michael Bay Turtles
Superman (Man of Steel)

These should've all been easy lay ups. Instead, we got some absolute clunkers.

That's not to say some of these ventures CAN'T be good. Clone Wars and the 2013 TMNT were fantastic. And there was this gleaming moment in Justice League, right before Supes punches Beowulf, that they just NAILED Superman for me. That kind of corny but still inspiring talk about truth and justice. . . took me right back to the Christopher Reeve films.

So I see both points. I don't think either is immature, just polar opposite. Unfortunately, we lose a lot of nuance on the internet, and I'm pretty sure neither of you guys are out for blood. . . or even angry. Don't worry about it and have fun.

[Leo656]

I've actually not been venturing any opinions lately about this because you're owning the thread. And I don't agree with any of what you've been saying about this movie.

But since we're here, it's 1 AM, and we're both probably drunk...

#1: It's happening. Stop saying it's not.

#2: The OG Ghostbusters will absolutely be involved. Hudson did a work and you know it.

#3: Yes, kid actors can work. I do work in film and it's said, the two things you don't want to work with are "children and animals." And it's true. But it can. "It" cast was great. "Stranger Things" cast was great. It's hard but it can work. And we have no idea what % of screentime is even going to the kids, and we still don't even know if these kids are going to be 12 or if they're going to be 17. Or even officially if there is kids as mains in any capacity.

I think the next thing You and I agree on will be the very first! :lol: But I've never seen that as the reason we get along, I just think you're a sharp cat. I think in 19 years (going back to the mailing list) we've maybe agreed... twice? :lol: But that's fine. You're still a good dude.

And it's 4:30 here, nothing's open and it's too damn COLD to walk to the liquor store! :lol: Although I'm overdue for some drunkposting, maybe next weekend. :)

To clarify, though:

- Obviously it's going to happen, I didn't mean to imply it's all smoke and mirrors to the point where it's not going to happen. They set a release date, of course a movie's coming out. What I mean is, it's mostly just on paper at this point. All we've SEEN is a short teaser, and I want to see more before I get excited. I could've chosen to get excited about "Answer the Call" based on the first teaser, and boy, I'm glad I didn't. :lol:

- I'd have to scroll back, but at some point I definitely said "obviously the originals will be involved". But I also said, 'They announced it before it was signed", which is most likely true, and "We don't know how big their roles will be, so I don't want to get excited yet". But yes, if they did the last one then OBVIOUSLY they'll do this one too. Will I like what I see them do, though? I sure hope so, man. I really hope so!

- Well, I haven't seen "Stranger Things" but I, personally, don't like child actors and I definitely don't want to see a "romp" with a whole group of them, overpowering what is supposed to be a Ghostbusters movie. But you still basically said what I said: We don't KNOW they're going that way, just that that is the most oft-repeated rumor. Based on that rumor, I'm nervous. If it's what they end up doing, I know that I, personally, probably won't like what they eventually come up with. But we obviously don't have the same taste, and that's totally fine, brother.

But we're still in the first minute of the first quarter. I'm wide open because we don't KNOW what they're doing. I just know that the one RUMORED idea that's going around, I don't like. And that I'm still going to wait until we get a lot more - cast, synopsis, actual footage, etc. - before I plant my flag either way. :)

No I don’t have any problem with anybody really. Leo656 actually gives genuine responses. Other posts (here and elsewhere) are obviously just for attention or to rile things up. I’ve always been able to easily ignore that stuff.

@Leo656, Not to drag this specific discussion on but...I did not mean you literally stressed over movies and such. I meant a cynical mindset just seems like harsh view to have towards things.

The last thing I’ll say is I honestly do not expect others to share the same opinion or level of excitement. I just think the level of scrutiny some have for movies is too high. I think I’ve mentioned that before somewhere. I don’t know just seems unfair to me.

You're a wiser man than some. :trazz:

And that doesn't have to be "the last thing" you say, I believe we were having a fair dialog and you never went offsides with me, buddy. I'll fully cop to having a "wait and see" attitude with most things in life, and I'll never, ever apologize for being cynical and even a little suspicious at times, but that comes from a lifetime of being disappointed by things that have very little to do with movies.

I just think it's funny that, in reading a lot of people's opinions about movies for many years, MOST people here end up looking forward to things very highly, very early on, and in the end, are generally kind of let down. Whereas I am a bit more discerning, but am much more likely to come out of an experience going, "Hey, that was alright. Why's everyone so upset?" And I think a lot of that has to do with Expectations.

I like to keep mine low, and end up pleasantly surprised in the end. Happens a lot! Ultimately, I find that "healthier" than setting my own personal "bar" for enjoyment too high and feeling underwhelmed in the end.

We're different people, and that's okay, man. :)

[Andrew NDB]

I think the next thing You and I agree on will be the very first! :lol:

Maybe outside of the million political threads we've partaken in. Like, what are you talking about? I can count like 20 threads where we're like, "F*** yeah!" in unison.

But I've never seen that as the reason we get along, I just think you're a sharp cat. I think in 19 years (going back to the mailing list) we've maybe agreed... twice? :lol: But that's fine. You're still a good dude.

Wait, you were on the f***ing mailing list? Which one? NTML? TMNT-L?

And it's 4:30 here, nothing's open and it's too damn COLD to walk to the liquor store! :lol: Although I'm overdue for some drunkposting, maybe next weekend. :)

I'm about to walk there for some smokes. It's 1:43 AM and WA has a snowpocalpyse.

[Wildcat]

@Leo656, Oh well see if your usually pleasantly surprised by stuff it’s kind contradicting to be so cynical at first. It’s ok to get excited. One of the points of movies and entertainment.

Like I’ve said I enjoy most of the stuff I watch and think most franchises have aged well enough in most cases. Some movies have really disappointed me but they’re few and far between.

As for this movie I agree with Andrew NDB. I’ve seen a lot of movies where the kids acting was perfectly fine. That’s why I have no problem if it’s true for this. They’d obviously choose ones that were at least capable.

[Leo656]

Maybe outside of the million political threads we've partaken in. Like, what are you talking about? I can count like 20 threads where we're like, "F*** yeah!" in unison.



Wait, you were on the f***ing mailing list? Which one? NTML? TMNT-L?



I'm about to walk there for some smokes. It's 1:43 AM and WA has a snowpocalpyse.

Fair point, I need to be reminded of things sometimes. Did You Know that Lithium can cause short-term memory loss? Also... so do "other things"... :trazz:

Not just with you, I just get oblivious sometimes. Like, I once gave someone half my lunch, long story, and the next day I was telling someone that I consider myself a "selfish" person in general, and they're like, "Yeah, you're so selfish you gave that guy half your lunch without being asked, or that homeless guy you gave money to the other day", or whatever, he kept listing examples. He had to remind me that I do a lot for people, I guess because I just Do Things and don't dwell on them. Regardless, in MY head, I'm a selfish person, but other people often cite multiple examples of how my actions contradict that. I need it pointed out to me.

So yeah, we do agree on a fair bit. Thanks for the reminder. I think our disagreements are what speaks to our character(s), though, in that we can disagree and horse around but still have a good time with it. :)

I think I was on both mailing lists, actually. I think my handle was "Axl4Ever71" back then. :lol: We go back a long way, you and I!

@Leo656, Oh well see if your usually pleasantly surprised by stuff it’s kind contradicting to be so cynical at first. It’s ok to get excited. One of the points of movies and entertainment.

Like I’ve said I enjoy most of the stuff I watch and think most franchises have aged well enough in most cases. Some movies have really disappointed me but they’re few and far between.

As for this movie I agree with Andrew NDB. I’ve seen a lot of movies where the kids acting was perfectly fine. That’s why I have no problem if it’s true for this. They’d obviously choose ones that were at least capable.

Oh, I am constantly, CONSTANTLY pleasantly surprised, buddy. Like I said, my Entertainment shelves look like the work of a goddamn serial killer. :lol: Everything from "American Psycho" to "My Little Pony", "Apocalypse Now" to "Speed Racer", things you've likely never seen or heard of and things *I* never thought I'd be into. I'm a passionate fan of MANY things, and I enjoy them to the hilt on the regular. "Balls deep", you might say. :)

I just like to wait and see. Recent example: Was very hyped for the "Supergirl" show a few years ago. Didn't like it. Serious letdown. A rare case of me letting my guard down too early. It stings. I don't like to feel that way.

It's also why I'm a big fan of Spoilers. They entice me to try things I otherwise didn't care about. I hear very interesting things and go, "Huh... that sounds very cool", and then it generally is. :)

I'll grant you an exception that proves my own "rule", though: "Bridge To Terabithia" was a movie I liked. So I can't even say I hate ALL movies that predominantly feature kids. See? I can bend. :) I'm just picky.

See, these are good conversations. I'm enjoying this.
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Slight gear shift, but I know I, Andrew and Wildcat all like Ghostbusters II more than most people. Let's talk about that. Andrew, I've seen you say that you never knew you were "supposed" to hate GBII until the internet said so, and that was my experience as well. I'd love to hear more about your own experience with that movie, and then I'll share my own a little bit. Because when I was a kid, every GB fan was all about it. I was baffled when I found out most people give it low marks. :ohwell:

[Wildcat]

Oh I love My Little Pony FIM. I’ve only sampled some older generations but the current one is great. Bridge to Terabithia was pretty good.

As for Ghostbusters 2. It’s only real issue is it reverts the team to having no business and thought of as frauds. Hundreds of people saw Stay Puft Marshmallow Man walking down the street. It had to be on the news too.

That I personally did not like they added more stuff on top of the car. It’s purpose is never explained in the first place.

[Andrew NDB]

I think I was on both mailing lists, actually. I think my handle was "Axl4Ever71" back then. :lol: We go back a long way, you and I!

****, that sounds hella familiar. You know that all of NTML is archived, right?

Slight gear shift, but I know I, Andrew and Wildcat all like Ghostbusters II more than most people. Let's talk about that. Andrew, I've seen you say that you never knew you were "supposed" to hate GBII until the internet said so, and that was my experience as well. I'd love to hear more about your own experience with that movie, and then I'll share my own a little bit. Because when I was a kid, every GB fan was all about it. I was baffled when I found out most people give it low marks. :ohwell:

Eh, OK. So I would have been 8. Which sounds right, since I vividly remember watching Aliens in the theater when I had to have been 6.

I know I'd seen Ghostbusters 1 on HBO or Cinemax or something already, and definitely was big into the cartoon and toys, since I definitely remember pitting them against my TMNT toys in the bathtub and on the carpet in my room. But anyway.

Looking back on it all with a distorted lens... it seems like half as painful as watching TMNT III in 1993. Like, I really enjoyed Ghostbusters 2 as a kid. I walked out of it without even one complaint. Now, I can poke some holes (not huge ones)... but then? Not at all. Conversely, watching TMNT III in 1993, I remember leaving the theater not being excited about TMNT at all anymore... even at 12. Luckily -- literally -- there was a bookstore next to the theater. And it had, I think it was "BOOK III" of the collected Mirage black and white stuff. And it wasn't even the good stuff, but it was enough to stroke my young adult mind that had already outgrown the McTMNT™ stuff.

[Leo656]

Oh I love My Little Pony FIM. I’ve only sampled some older generations but the current one is great. Bridge to Terabithia was pretty good.

As for Ghostbusters 2. It’s only real issue is it reverts the team to having no business and thought of as frauds. Hundreds of people saw Stay Puft Marshmallow Man walking down the street. It had to be on the news too.

That I personally did not like they added more stuff on top of the car. It’s purpose is never explained in the first place.

Aaaaaand just like that we have MUCH to discuss. :lol: See? This is how we do it, folks.

FYI, Rainbow Dash is my co-pilot. :trazz:

I never had a problem with GBII's opening half, simply because Rocky already established that kind of formula as being the basic template for most sequels in that time period. "Back to the status quo, climb the mountain again." A little redundant, sure, but it was fun seeing them re-establish themselves.

I just figured someone very high up in power wanted the whole Stay-Puft thing dismissed as a "publicity stunt" or something. Fairly easy to do. I liked that it was kept vague, in any case. I'm glad they didn't spend a half hour explaining WHY they had to start over.

Ecto-1A is a very rare case of me submitting to "It just looks cooler that way". :lol: I generally DON'T do that, but I'm only human. CAUTION TAPE! LED SCREENS! :lol: They have a SATELLITE DISH, for some reason! I love it, I'unno.

True story: As a kid, we had a "junker" car in the yard, which I constantly did my best to adorn with "Ecto-1A" decorations, for when me and my buddies would play "Ghostbusters". :lol: Fun times. Sad day when they scrapped it.

****, that sounds hella familiar. You know that all of NTML is archived, right?



Eh, OK. So I would have been 8. Which sounds right, since I vividly remember watching Aliens in the theater when I had to have been 6.

I know I'd seen Ghostbusters 1 on HBO or Cinemax or something already, and definitely was big into the cartoon and toys, since I definitely remember pitting them against my TMNT toys in the bathtub and on the carpet in my room. But anyway.

Looking back on it all with a distorted lens... it seems like half as painful as watching TMNT III in 1993. Like, I really enjoyed Ghostbusters 2 as a kid. I walked out of it without even one complaint. Now, I can poke some holes (not huge ones)... but then? Not at all. Conversely, watching TMNT III in 1993, I remember leaving the theater not being excited about TMNT at all anymore... even at 12. Luckily -- literally -- there was a bookstore next to the theater. And it had, I think it was "BOOK III" of the collected Mirage black and white stuff. And it wasn't even the good stuff, but it was enough to stroke my young adult mind that had already outgrown the McTMNT™ stuff.

Oh, goodness, I was much more insufferable back then. :lol:

That's a nice story. I like the comparison to TMNT III. I generally give that movie more credit than most, but I'll agree it ain't great. Although, as a kid, it was one of those "rewind and watch again" movies. The shine quickly wore off, however. I think there's a germ of an idea in there that would have done well with entirely different execution, though.

But yeah, I walked out of GBII as a bigger fan than ever. Me and my buddies went NUTS on Ghostbusters for at least the following year, and we were already huuuuuge fans. Like, walking around the house in-character, "Only answering to Venkman and Spengler" fans. Insufferable little brats!

We actually had a nice scam going, in which we'd plant toy "ghosts" all over our houses and extort our parents into paying us to "bust" them. :lol: You may laugh, but I discovered at a very young age that parents will pay damn near ANY price for peace and quiet.

Small jobs were $5. But we had a stuffed Stay-Puft and a recreation of Vigo's painting; if the "Containment Unit" broke and those bastards got out, that's a $20 job, EASY. :lol:

Never underestimate how much parents will pay you to shut up and go away for an hour or so. :tgrin: We used to clean up, man. That was a straight hustle. :lol:

[Wildcat]

I thought the satellite dish and extra row of lights (not the scrolling screen) looked ugly. :lol: The caution tape was ok. I prefer a cleaner look and I wanna why the cars needs that stuff.

I still don’t know about the “back to status quo” thing. It’s not just Stay Puft. There were ghosts taking over the city after the containment unit busted.

They could have just written it a different way...like no paranormal activity in awhile or they needed to renovate the building. Anything would have fit.

Busting ghosts around your house sounded fun. I had some of the toys and the GB2 soundtrack.

Now I have 2 Matticollector RGB figures, the Lego ecto1, Stay Puft and Slimer plushies and the small Hot Wheels of the original and reboot.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh! I have one story. When the local radio station (93.3) would play "On Our Own" from the Ghostbusters 2 soundtrack from Bobbi Brown, I spent like 2 weeks finding a good way to cassette tape record it properly and in full. I finally did and played it to death.

DaIZvCDWAcQ

I remember it pumping me up for the movie before and afterward.

[Leo656]

Wildcat: I think I'm gonna settle for the ones that came out at Wal-Mart like two years ago. They're acceptable on eBay. I adore everything MattyCollector does but I need both my kidneys.

Also, caution tape made it go faster. I promise. :trazz:

Oh, it was fun. A blast! $20 to point styrofoam "proton beams" at a stuffed Marshmallow man. Money which immediately went into buying more Ghostbusters toys. To be fair, in my 7-year old brain, it was more "honest" than just asking my parents to buy me stuff. "I'm providing a public service! Look, YOU want the ghosts outta here, and WE need upgrades for the new Slime-Blower Tech. It just so HAPPENS that this job is gonna cost you exactly what the Slime-Blower costs, so the quicker we get this over with, the sooner we can all be happy." :tgrin:

I kinda think my parents admired that I was trying to spin it as legit "work".

My friends and I put a lot of work into it, though. We had binders with detailed dossiers on all the ghosts, we each had a custom-made "Containment Unit" in our respective basements... at one point we were collaborating on putting together our own version of "Tobin's Spirit Guide", but we abandoned it.

Those were the days, though. "Huge fans" doesn't describe.

Oh! I have one story. When the local radio station (93.3) would play "On Our Own" from the Ghostbusters 2 soundtrack from Bobbi Brown, I spent like 2 weeks finding a good way to cassette tape record it properly and in full. I finally did and played it to death.

DaIZvCDWAcQ

I remember it pumping me up for the movie before and afterward.

Yeah, I love both films' soundtracks quite a bit. Neither me nor my best buddy were very into rap, but the GBII soundtrack had some universal appeal. PLUS, Oingo Boingo! :tgrin: We wore those cassette tapes out. The CD version was tricky to find for a while, but I think it's very common now.

Both films soundtracks do a great job of showing off what was "hip" in the moment. The original is full of decent but obscure stuff.

[Voltron]

I wonder how the world would treat that as an actual event. The Gozer Manhattan incident, I mean.

I'm sure there's a lot of people out there who would claim it was a "false flag", but the scientists of the world must've been going NUTS. I'm surprised the government didn't lock up the guys in some facility and bar them from ever speaking of it.

Then again, it is a comedy, and New York is known for its callous nonchalance of bizarre occurrences.

As for the stuff on the car, I kind of liked it. But I do prefer the original, I think.

[Wildcat]

@Leo656, Don’t know if you noticed I said it was RGB. The ones based on the cartoon. The Egon and Janine and Samhain combo.

The movies ones are nice I just never got to them. Plus I’ve always really liked the cartoon designs. They’re are not cartoon-accurate but still look good. I know Diamond Select made newer ones.

As for the old toys I had the proton pack and trap and a black foam pop gun. Some figures too.

Oh and this water ring game...remember those? They were like pinball type games but filled with water. You pumped bubbles to land objects in goals. I think they made other non-gb ones too.

[Leo656]

I think the guys in black suits would have covered the whole thing up and spun it as some kind of marketing stunt gone awry. Peck's "gassing people to make them hallucinate" story could go a long way if there was enough spin behind it.

And yeah, the dudes may well have been thrown in Arkham forever just to get 'em out of the way. I can see it. That's not exactly uncommon practice, either, or at least it used to be a fairly common way of dealing with "dangerous malcontents" like them.

The only thing about the new look for the car, is that while I was all about the "II" logo at the time, it makes no sense in-universe and I think the car would look best with a mix of the newer "flair" and the original logo. I think that's what they did with the "Extreme Ghostbusters" version, if I recall?

I just can't see it without the tape and the screens, anymore.
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Anybody else ever fancy the old NOW Comics "Real Ghostbusters" run? I have all of it except for like three issues. They even did a three-issue adaptation of GBII, based on the original script, so scenes like Ray being possessed and trying to crash the car with everyone inside are included.

The books did a good job of balancing the movies, the cartoon, and tying everything together, I felt. The art was hit-or-miss, but the tone was good; generally a bit more serious than the cartoon but still suitable for all ages. I had almost every single pin-up on my wall, no kiddin'.

By the by, if anybody has any issues they're looking to sell... hint hint.

[Andrew NDB]

Just re-watched that video for the first time in decades. Holy ****... Donald Trump is in that.

[Leo656]

Don’t know if you noticed I said it was RGB. The ones based on the cartoon. The Egon and Janine and Samhain combo.

The ones based on the movies are nice I just never got to them. Plus I’ve always really liked the cartoon designs. They’re are not cartoon-accurate but still look good. I know Diamond Select made newer ones. I’d like those.

As for the old toys I had the proton pack and trap and a black foam pop gun. Some figures too.

Oh and this water ring game...remember those? They were like pinball type games but filled with water. You pumped bubbles to land objects in goals. I think they made other non-gb ones too,

Ahh, gotcha. Sorry, I misread. Yeah, I'd love some high-quality RGB merch. There's some great stuff out there right now; we're so spoiled nowadays.

YES I think I have the EXACT same water game! :lol: Holy sh*t, man. Was it orange? Those things were "hot" for five minutes back then, lots of licensed properties had one. WOW, haven't thought about that in years!

Ohhhh man, did I have toys! Both regular and role-play toys (before they were called that). I can't even get into all the action figures I had. AND the firehouse, of course! As for the others, off the top of my head I had:
- The "Proton Zapper" gun (it came out before they made the Proton Packs; it projected pictures of ghosts on the wall and made sounds)
- Proton Pack (damn PKE Meter broke the antenna)
- Ghost Trap (AWESOME Birthday present!)
- Slime Blower
- The "Grab-A-Meter" (which I guess was supposed to be a more play-functional stand-in for the second film's Giga-Meter :lol:)
- Ecto Goggles
- A different proton gun that had a wavy green foam "stream", that I always used with the Proton Pack (the "stock" straight yellow foam stream that came with the pack was too boring, for me; the other one was more "authentic", so I swapped them since I rarely used the other gun anyway)
- Some orange plastic gun that shot pink hard plastic projectiles
- The same black gun you had that shot yellow foam "darts"
- A little blue one that shot pink darts
- A pump-action water gun
- The "Holy Grail", an officially licensed Ghostbusters II uniform jumpsuit, complete with GBII logo on the arm and "Back Off Man, I'm A Ghostbuster!" written on the back. :lol:

I still have all of it, packed up in a specially-marked box. It's amazing how small all of it is. Worth more than gold, though, to me.

[Wildcat]

YA! The water game was orange. I think I might still have it. Those were kinda cool. Each one’s floating objects were based on its license. I think it had tiny slimers or just generic ghosts.

I still have the original Stay Puft plushie and cartoon figure. But it was years after because they were hard to get. Friends helped me get them.

I didn’t have that many weapons but monsters like those transforming humans and ghouls. Specifically a purple creature with a zip cord that made sparks fly out of his mouth. I think it was from gb.

[Leo656]

I easily had 3/4 of the toy line, especially the ghosts. I loved those "Haunted Human" figures you mentioned. Like Granny Gross. :lol: And I do believe we owned the EXACT same water game. Tiny generic ghosts, they were, if I'm indeed remembering correctly, but I believe Slimer's picture was on it. I definitely still have it, but I'd have to look. It's been at least 10 years since I looked at it, and it was in a box for about 15 before that.

The actual Ghostbusters figures, I kind of got away from when they started doing endless variants and gimmicks. They were cool but my parents weren't going to buy me every single thing, so I'd always either get a new ghost toy OR a new "weapon" rather than a third Peter or a fourth Egon. When it comes to collecting characters, I generally try to stick to a "One of each Main Character, in their most 'appropriate' or recognizable look" rule. I break it all the time when newer, better stuff comes out, but at that time, especially, I had the "basic" versions of the Ghostbusters and at least one variant of each already, so after that I went for the other stuff.

Some Trivia I forgot to mention about the NOW Comics: The main penciller, John Tobias, went on to co-create Mortal Kombat. :) If you look at the comics from 1988-1990, and then the original character artwork and marketing sheets for the MK characters in the first and second game, you'll see that he retained the exact same style. I got a huge kick out of that as a kid.

[Wildcat]

I just looked up the water game. There’s 2. One with a giant trap in the middle and one with 3 coffins. Both orange.

I like to get the traditional looking figures of stuff first too. More so now that high quality toys are made for everything.

Ya I’ll look up the Tobias artwork.

[Leo656]

I like to get the traditional looking figures of stuff first too. More so now that high quality toys are made for everything.

Ain't it grand?

A little off topic, but as a kid, I had a lot of toys. Like, a LOT. But it's nothing like nowadays. One thing I wanted more than life but rarely got to have, was a simple Superman figure. I had a Super-Friends one, but it got lost in a move, and after that, they made ZERO for several years. The DC Toy Biz figures eventually came out, using the same molds, and that was great... but after that, they didn't make anymore Superman figures until like 1998 or so. Left a deep scar across my childhood, because it was just absurd that something so simple just "didn't exist" for most of that time. Back then, if it wasn't still at Toys R Us, you had to move on with your life and forget about it. Now I have like 30.

Point being, it wasn't like nowadays where whatever you want, there's piles of it, and it's easy to find (if not always cheap). But if you want something, you can get it, and most of it is awesome stuff. It's amazing. And the Ghostbusters stuff that exists is so far beyond anything I could have dreamed of as a kid, and there's SO much of it.

"Spoiled" isn't the word for what we are, but whatever, I'm glad we got here. Even aside from Ghostbusters and just "cool stuff" in general; I can't remember so much Cool Sh*t just existing at once across the entire spectrum. I don't think it ever has. The 80s were close, but the overall quality is better by leaps and bounds now.

[Voltron]

They could have just written it a different way...like no paranormal activity in awhile or they needed to renovate the building. Anything would have fit.


In the first movie, it's implied that paranormal activity is unusually rare in the modern era. The experience at the library had Ray all hot and bothered because it might be the first time they ever see real activity.

Later, Egon explains that the level of PKE in New York has been steadily rising over the past few weeks/months, and that it suggested a big event on the horizon.

That big event, of course, being the arrival of Gozer. I think Vinz Clortho (in Tully's body) mentions the freeing of minions, too.

Even Slimer had been quiet for decades.

So while it's not stated outright, it's implied that the spirits themselves were either drawing power from Gozer in some way.


There's a fan theory that Gozer and Vigo are one in the same, or at least connected. It postulates that the clean up of the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man was botched, and some of the fluff was left behind and made its way into the sewers. It took time to regenerate, feeding off the negativity of New Yorkers.

I always thought that was a pretty cool idea.

[Leo656]

For all the flack it gets for being a retread, I thought that the sequel had quite a few good, or at least neat ideas. The "Mood Slime" being one of them. And having them not just arrested, but committed to a mental hospital, while reminiscent of the first still seemed like a plausible escalation of things.

I liked Vigo; even if there is no actual Gozer connection, I think it was neat to explore what a more "grounded" spectral antagonist might be like. Just a really, really, really bad dude, who's technically "immortal", now, and how that would play out. Like hypothetically, what if Hitler's Ghost came back and wanted to take over the world. Bad news, right? Made sense to me. I didn't really care that it was a "smaller" threat than Gozer; still felt like a matter of concern.

Although the way the newer video game stuck him in the basement where he just goes on cranky old man rants and jokes about George W. Bush was f*cking classic. :lol: Not a dignified end - and it doesn't actually make sense - but I'm glad they got him in there, somehow.

[Wildcat]

Ive heard of the marshmallow man/slime theory. It’s cool but if they didn’t fully get rid of the fluff I’d prefer it splits him into smaller ones. That’d be cute.

Lack of paranormal activities because they stopped Gozer makes perfect sense. Not coming off as frauds after hundreds witnessed it. Plus it’s treated like...well that happened. As if it was just a bad day. Is it supposed to be some joke about how nothing phases New Yorkers?

About the 2 logo. A friend once told me you could picture it as giving the peace sign since the movie is about getting rid of hate.

@Leo656, I felt the same way about Sonic merchandise in the 90s. There was stuff but not significant toy lines. Not til the Dreamcast.

Oh I looked up the Tobias art. I can’t really find any good comparisons to MK but Id like to have those comics. They look great.

[TMNT_1987]

Oh! I have one story. When the local radio station (93.3) would play "On Our Own" from the Ghostbusters 2 soundtrack from Bobbi Brown, I spent like 2 weeks finding a good way to cassette tape record it properly and in full. I finally did and played it to death.

DaIZvCDWAcQ

I remember it pumping me up for the movie before and afterward.

Still play it now and takes me right back to summer 89 :)

[Leo656]

https://screenrant.com/ghostbusters-3-filming-start-date/

Filming May 13.

That's pretty soon.

I'm not buying the notion that there's a really amazing, months-old script that they've just been keeping under wraps this whole time under lock and key, so... Hmm.

We'll see.

[Wildcat]

Ok I looked up what the average amount of time is to write a script. Generally it’s 10-12 weeks with time allowed for drafts and revisions. This is after you’ve already outlined and planned everything though.

It doesn’t mean you start from scratch on day 1 of 2+ months. That’d be brutal.

The rumors about having kids or at least one kid seem to be true since it’s been reported auditions have taken place under the name Rust City.

Maybe not finalized because of edits along the way but this script is done for the most part. Whether they retooled an old one or made a new one this thing was started awhile back.

Probably sometime ago if they already held auditions. There’s also locations, costumes, props etc. That could be happening right now. So it’s been in the works.

It leads me back to my assumption that Dan Aykroyd, Ernie Hudson and Bill Murray (I guess) already agreed but can’t admit it.

[Andrew NDB]

https://screenrant.com/ghostbusters-3-filming-start-date/

Filming May 13.

That's pretty soon.

I'm not buying the notion that there's a really amazing, months-old script that they've just been keeping under wraps this whole time under lock and key, so... Hmm.

We'll see.

Happens all the time. Look at the Breaking Bad movie.

[Leo656]

I think "really amazing" is going to be the distinguishing qualifier there.

They may well have had a workable script sitting in a drawer somewhere. They probably had a bunch of 'em to choose from. But I feel like if they had a "really amazing" script, they would have filmed it two years ago, if not before.

I'unno, I guess we'll find out.

[Wildcat]

Don’t know if you saw my post on the bottom of the previous page but they’ve apparently already had auditions but maybe you already knew.

Anyway there’s no way they would have done it that soon. Things needed to calm down. Well as much as they could. Plus it’d be kinda weird to go from reboot and immediately back to a sequel.

Even the next TMNT movie needed a gap.

[Leo656]

I meant, instead of what they did last time.

The Feig movie was, in someone's mind, "the best thing they could do".

As in, there were obviously other scripts and other ideas to consider even back then. But they chose to do exactly what they did. They considered THAT to be the project with the biggest potential upside. We all know now that it was a mistake, but they should have realized it before it even got off the ground.

If they had any "better" ideas, they would have probably run with them instead of what they went with. Thus, I'm inclined to believe that whatever this movie turns out to be is based on relatively new conversations.

[Wildcat]

Oh. Well I know I’ve mentioned it before and I know I read it. Maybe the leaks.

The studio offered Feig to do a sequel. It was Feig’s choice to make it a reboot but even I wonder why the studio didn’t step in on that decision.

[Autbot_Benz]

“We are, in every way, trying to go back to the original technique and hand the movie back to the fans,”

All the SJW's on twitter are loosing their collective **** over this comment

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/02/20/jason-reitmans-plan-to-hand-ghostbusters-back-to-fans-with-ghostbusters-3/

[Vegita-San]

ahh, the small few still whining about wahmen trending it on twitter ;).

[Allio]

so along with IDW doing a 35th anniversary for Ghotbusters with one shots for: Mainline, Extreme, Real, and 2016. IDW has also announced that a Ghostbusters/Transformers crossover is coming.

[Leo656]

An example: “We are, in every way, trying to go back to the original technique and hand the movie back to the fans,” which almost sounds like Reitman is saying the 2016 female-fronted reboot from Paul Feig wasn’t for “fans”, and doesn’t have it’s own fans. Sure, this is nitpicking, but after everything the cast went through just for being females stepping into the proton packs, sort of a big step back.

- "Answer The Call" was NOT "for fans".
- Any fans it has aren't fans of Ghostbusters, but rather, fans of "drinking salty fanboy tears". AKA, "Awful people, worse than the so-called awful people they 'stand against'."
- The movie did NOT get slammed for being all-women. Having a "Gimmick" like "The All-Female Ghostbusters", or, "The All-Kids Ghostbusters" is a lousy and lazy idea on its face, and people attacked a bad idea for being a bad idea.
- People predicted that at least half the movie would be Man-Hating horse sh*t, and lo and behold, IT WAS.
- Everyone in it gave a career-worst performance. I can say that with confidence, despite not seeing most of these people in anything else, because if THIS is standard to how each of them perform, then NONE of them deserve a job in Hollywood. So I assume whatever else they've done was better than THAT.
- The final product was slammed for being Not Funny, poorly-shot and staged, and far too much terrible improv. NOT because they cast four women.

Anyways, sounds like they put a lot of work into that one teaser. Here's hoping the final product actually turns out to be the movie we deserve... and not another one that Hollywood INSISTS we deserve.

[Andrew NDB]

I submit, again...

UWROBiX1eSc

[Leo656]

That's brilliant sh*t.

[Wildcat]

I liked the 2016 movie fine and do not need to prove some arbitrary fan status. I can admit it’s flawed and still enjoy it on its own at the same time.

Maybe Jason did not mean it the way it comes off. Saying almost anything online can be misconstrued or read into depending on the situation so I’m not going to hold it against him.

Oddly what actually bothers is how he talks about the practical effects. It’s fine but don’t be against cgi just for the sake of it. Nobody would have given it a second thought if the teaser text was cgi.

It also makes me think he’s not going to update the gear or equipment since he made it a point to mention the same sound effects. Plus it occurred to me recently that if the car has been locked up and broken down...did they go out of business again after part 2?

[Leo656]

Presumably. Maybe they'll include a meta-joke about trying to hand the business over to a bunch of dames and how that was the final nail. :trazz:

I liked the 2016 movie fine and do not need to prove some arbitrary fan status. I can admit it’s flawed and still enjoy it on its own at the same time.


I won't ask you to explain or defend it. Simply know that I understand human beings turning to cannibalism more than I understand this.

[Andrew NDB]

Presumably. Maybe they'll include a meta-joke about trying to hand the business over to a bunch of dames and how that was the final nail. :trazz:

Nooo... I mean, they should, but they won't. If anything, I bet the movie tiptoes around things quite a bit in regard to any sort of perceived nods or jabs at GB 2016.

[snake]

Some people will eat up anything with their favorite franchise name on it. Usually these people have low testosterone, are balding, and think twitter constitutes social activism, but they do exist. The entire Star Wars fanbase at the moment is filled with sh*t-eaters, because they're the only ones left to consume and defend the Mouse's NuWars media. Ghostbusters (2016) "fans" (?) fall either into delusional twitter people who believe they have an impact on the real world and sh*t-eating franchise fanbabies who get a hard-on from seeing their favorite logo slapped onto something- so it's no surprise some people enjoyed that garbage.

[Andrew NDB]

That's brilliant sh*t.

I was hoping you'd check it out.

[Wildcat]

Presumably. Maybe they'll include a meta-joke about trying to hand the business over to a bunch of dames and how that was the final nail. :trazz:

I won't ask you to explain or defend it. Simply know that I understand human beings turning to cannibalism more than I understand this.

But seriously I hope he’s not trying to go full 80s formula just because he thinks that’s what people want.

I really want to see them updated. Like Ray having redesigned the proton packs for better functionality or inventing a new Ghost trap. Stuff like that. It’s been 30 years.

So far Jason is giving me the impression that he wants to keep things exactly the same. Like exactly.

I mean they went out of business again? I know we don’t know I’m just speculating. Could driving the Statue of Liberty into the city and the giant shell of slime over the museum also be dismissed?

[Andrew NDB]

I admit, it will be interesting to see the universe again. Think about it. There were two large-scale ghost invasions in New York City, witnessed by millions of people (3 if you count the game). It will be a 2019 where everyone has to accept that's real.

It'll be a bit like Independence Day 2 in that way. In that, I would expect, the world would be preparing for more ghost invasions. Maybe that's what happens. The government steps in and does their own ghost-protection agencies... rendering the Ghostbusters obsolete.

[snake]

From a narrative perspective, you could easily have the government "hire" the Ghostbusters for their ghost knowledge and techniques. I doubt they would just ignore the wealth of information the Ghostbusters have when ghosts become a potential threat.

[Leo656]

I really want to see them updated. Like Ray having redesigned the proton packs for better functionality or inventing a new Ghost trap. Stuff like that. It’s been 30 years.

Ooof. No, no. The packs and all that stuff are iconic. You can't just redesign something that's left an indelible mark on history just because it's "old".

Plus, we already had "redesigned" packs and stuff in the last movie, and they looked terrible. Everyone WANTS to see the stuff they already like. That's what they expect. 50 years from now when people do Ghostbusters cosplay, they're STILL going to predominantly be wearing the classic stuff. NOT the "Extreme Ghostbusters" stuff, not the junk they wore in the reboot... the stuff people actually like and remember. It would be a complete waste to try and come up with something better; they can't, and nobody's gonna care.

Plus, the packs' power cells had a half-life of 5,000 years, and it's been what... 35? Still a ways to go yet. :lol: The entire in-universe explanation was that this stuff is crazy expensive so it needs to be durable; they can't just whip up replacements on a casual whim for any old reason.

I do expect that, as always, we'll see some new gear, because that's half the fun. But they definitely shouldn't mess with the packs or the traps or anything like that. That's the stuff you fall back on when stuff like the Slime-Blower or the Giga-Meter fail to hold people's attention. :trazz:

I expect the "kids" will have most of the new gear, possibly designing it themselves to give it some kind of "whimsical charm" (blech). As long as we don't get a scene where they're literally running around punching ghosts in the face, it might not be TOO bad. :trazz:

[Andrew NDB]

Jason Reitman gets an unexpected ally:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/feig-intervenes-in-ghostbusters-3-outrage/

[Leo656]

An unexpectedly classy move.

I'll still never watch another movie that he's made, but my respect for him has gone up a hair.

[Vegita-San]

Jason Reitman gets an unexpected ally:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/feig-intervenes-in-ghostbusters-3-outrage/

his career is in the tanker. his alleged scheming with leslie jones to turn it into a racist attack failed. and these remaining white knights trying to turn it into ANOTHER controversy arn't doing the brand any favors.

I'm guessing he was strong armed by the studio to silence his followers the way they attacked the fans last round.

[Wildcat]

I admit, it will be interesting to see the universe again. Think about it. There were two large-scale ghost invasions in New York City, witnessed by millions of people (3 if you count the game). It will be a 2019 where everyone has to accept that's real.

It'll be a bit like Independence Day 2 in that way. In that, I would expect, the world would be preparing for more ghost invasions. Maybe that's what happens. The government steps in and does their own ghost-protection agencies... rendering the Ghostbusters obsolete.I really like that idea. It’s similar to that leaked script from years ago. Where other people took over and replaced them with new employees. Slimer was contained like a trophy animal. Did you see that?

Anyway you could have the government take over, not allowing the original team to franchise, because they considered them reckless due to all the damage that resulted. That would make perfect sense for them closing down.

Ghostbusters: MIP. Men in Proton-Packs. :lol: That would be sooo cool. They’d have upgraded equipment, tracking devices and SWAT style Ecto vehicles.

Ooof. No, no. The packs and all that stuff are iconic. You can't just redesign something that's left an indelible mark on history just because it's "old".

Plus, we already had "redesigned" packs and stuff in the last movie, and they looked terrible. Everyone WANTS to see the stuff they already like. That's what they expect. 50 years from now when people do Ghostbusters cosplay, they're STILL going to predominantly be wearing the classic stuff. NOT the "Extreme Ghostbusters" stuff, not the junk they wore in the reboot... the stuff people actually like and remember. It would be a complete waste to try and come up with something better; they can't, and nobody's gonna care.

Plus, the packs' power cells had a half-life of 5,000 years, and it's been what... 35? Still a ways to go yet. :lol: The entire in-universe explanation was that this stuff is crazy expensive so it needs to be durable; they can't just whip up replacements on a casual whim for any old reason.

I do expect that, as always, we'll see some new gear, because that's half the fun. But they definitely shouldn't mess with the packs or the traps or anything like that. That's the stuff you fall back on when stuff like the Slime-Blower or the Giga-Meter fail to hold people's attention. :trazz:

I expect the "kids" will have most of the new gear, possibly designing it themselves to give it some kind of "whimsical charm" (blech). As long as we don't get a scene where they're literally running around punching ghosts in the face, it might not be TOO bad. :trazz:I liked the reboots packs. Not the design I would have done but I thought they were pretty cool. Never really liked the Extreme packs though. Seemed bland.

I know the cells have a huge life span. I meant a redesign in terms of making them lighter and easier to use. Same with the trap. Maybe make them wireless.

I know the original gear is iconic. It’s about updating thier technology to be better equipped.

It’s not about replacing stuff. For example Jurassic World. It’s just another step in the universe. The original cars and park are the most recognizable...that’s totally fine. Just how it is.

You say bleh about the kids gear but even if nobody was joining them I really can not see Ray and/or Egon never updating thier equipment. Even you said new gear is half the fun...wouldn’t new weapons count as an update?

[The Deadman]

GHOSTBUSTERS: New Details Revealed On The Four Lead Teens Jason Reitman Is Looking To Cast
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/ghostbusters-new-details-revealed-on-the-four-lead-teens-jason-reitman-is-looking-to-cast-a166680

[Leo656]

Not shocked that they want two guys and two girls; I completely expected that.

But seeing confirmation that they want kids as young as 12 is a hard pass for me. They're gonna have to work SUPER hard to win me over on something I absolutely am not interested in seeing, which is "Ghostbusters: Kids Edition" as the writer of the article so helpfully put it.

Yeah, nah. I only cared about the original cast returning, and this says that at best they'll barely be in it. No sale, I'm out.

[Wildcat]

^^ You’re not really out...you even gave the reboot a watch. :o

I’m a little disappointed that the original cast might have smaller roles than excepted but it does not change my stance. The story is most important to me.

I want a fitting plot coming off of part 2 while hopefully doing something a bit different. Other than NY being attacked. It doesn’t always have be about NY.

Had there been a part 3 in the 90s or whenever, it was going to introduce a new team. I never had a problem with that.

The article did not have to say “GB: Kids Edition”. Although I think it was only semi-serious since it jokingly said get ready for backlash over female characters.

[Andrew NDB]

I really like that idea. It’s similar to that leaked script from years ago. Where other people took over and replaced them with new employees. Slimer was contained like a trophy animal. Did you see that?

No, I did not.

Anyway you could have the government take over, not allowing the original team to franchise, because they considered them reckless due to all the damage that resulted. That would make perfect sense for them closing down.

I don't know if the Ghostbusters would have been criminalized. I mean, the second one was all about them getting the mayor's blessing to do whatever they needed to. And at the end of GB2 we saw the Statue of Liberty restored (and the Ghostbusters being celebrated publicly) so... there really wasn't much damage done to anything.

And yeah, GB2 makes things pretty concrete with ghosts. The people that could be like, "Yeah yeah, SOMETHING happened at 55 Central Park West in 1984... but it probably wasn't ghosts!" would be watching live on the news 5 years later about the Ghost Titanic returning to port, and the Statue of Liberty walking down the street. The gig's up, no one can deny it.

The government would have to step in after that. Think, like, a non-secret MIB kind of agency (plus you can imagine TPTB are going to want to think shared universe, ala their "Ghost Corps" business... this would allow that). And their budget would be decidedly higher than the Ghostbusters'... and there's not much point in running a ghostbusting business if the government is offering those services for "free."

This makes me think that the new movie must have a personal connection to the OG Ghostbusters. Something that the government would need of them. Like, maybe it's Gozer him/her/itself again.

GHOSTBUSTERS: New Details Revealed On The Four Lead Teens Jason Reitman Is Looking To Cast
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-fi/ghostbusters-new-details-revealed-on-the-four-lead-teens-jason-reitman-is-looking-to-cast-a166680

Not shocked that they want two guys and two girls; I completely expected that.

But seeing confirmation that they want kids as young as 12 is a hard pass for me. They're gonna have to work SUPER hard to win me over on something I absolutely am not interested in seeing, which is "Ghostbusters: Kids Edition" as the writer of the article so helpfully put it.

Yeah, nah. I only cared about the original cast returning, and this says that at best they'll barely be in it. No sale, I'm out.

I like to cut to the source, not an opinion article about an article. The source article that article cites just says this: "We're hearing that director Jason Reitman is meeting with young actors this Oscar weekend to play the four teen protagonists in his reboot. He's looking for two pairs of a brother-sister combo in the 12 and 17-year range, so expect some casting news sooner rather than later for the summer 2020 film."

So no, nothing about what kind of screen time the OG Ghostbusters gets vs. the teens... just that he's casting four teens. Which we already knew.

[Wildcat]

You’re right about the mayor and stuff. Being deemed hazardous would not really make sense. Ya a non-secret government agency...that’s why I said GB:MIP. Not that they’d name it that.

I don’t mind Gozer being the villain again. I hope Stay Puft appears in some way. They should do something with that marshmallow fluff fan theory. Mini-Marshmallow Man or Zombie Stay Puft, where he’s like half melted.

I agree about the article. Even if the originals do not have huge roles they must have significant roles in order to setup the story and interact with the kids/teens.

Like Rick Moranis. He’s not the focus but he played an important part.

[Andrew NDB]

You’re right about the mayor and stuff. Being deemed hazardous would not really make sense. Ya a non-secret government agency...that’s why I said GB:MIP. Not that they’d name it that.

"Ghost Force"?

I don’t mind Gozer being the villain again. I hope Stay Puft appears in some way.

I kind of don't. I mean, he was even "in" the 2016 remake. And the Ghostbusters game with all the original cast. That's probably enough nostalgia for Stay Puft already, especially if we're already getting Gozer (and that's a big if).

I agree about the article. Even if the originals do not have huge roles they must have significant roles in order to setup the story and interact with the kids/teens.

Has to be significant. People aren't looking at Reitman's words closely enough. "It's a love letter to Ghostbusters fans," "I want this to be unwrapped in the public like a present, slowly," "I'm the biggest Ghostbusters fan and this is for them." No way he can say those things without egg on his face if they don't factor into things in a huge way. He knows what fans want to see. But by the same token Reitman has to set things up for Sony for more movies in the franchise... they aren't going to invest in this if there isn't future potential and, let's face it, Murray, Aykroyd and Hudson don't have tons of more Ghostbusters movies left in them and we're damn lucky to get one more out of Murray at all.

[Wildcat]

I always wanted to come up with a name using Spook. Like if a rival team opened a business and had a different logo or something. If the government took over Ghostbusters would still fit though.

Well I really like Stay Puft. He’s cute. I don’t mean he has to be the “final boss” type monster again. Just include in some way.

Ya no way Jason would only have the originals as cameos or passing characters.

[Andrew NDB]

Naw, no Stay Puft. Enough Stay Puft. Plus even with script unseen... we all know Slimer is a guaranteed thing.

I always wanted to come up with a name using Spook.

There are probably good reasons for why not (http://www.rsdb.org/slur/spook).

[Wildcat]

I never knew that was a slur. Seriously though nobody actually associates it as such. Probably a few do in very specific cases but not society.

I looked it up and found others didn’t know either. They even changed the name of a tv show.

[Leo656]

^^ You’re not really out...you even gave the reboot a watch. :o


The "Why" of that story is ultimately very important.

I was loudly and publicly on record as having NO interest in "Answer the Call" or ever seeing it. I saw the trailers and one full scene, and that was plenty. I knew I wouldn't like it - perhaps violently - and made a personal decision to stay away from it.

I'm not sure if you are married. I am. Occasionally, in a relationship, things will take a rocky turn, and as part of the reconciliation process, one party will insist that the other party acquiesce to do things they otherwise wouldn't do under normal circumstances, because "You owe me this on account of _____." Some people have to scrub the toilet or clean gutters. Some people have to perform oral, or anal. Some people have to watch horrible movies that they'd rather slash their wrists than ever watch again.

My wife is rather spiteful, so as part of my "penance" for whatever imaginary misdeed had occurred, I was given the choice of watching "Answer the Call" or having another nuclear war erupt. She admitted after the fact that she knew full well it was terrible and that I would be completely miserable, but that was the "punishment" she felt I deserved.

Worst f*cking movie I've ever seen, and that's absolutely the nicest thing I can say. I don't know if I'm actually capable of forgiving her, either. I once had a crushed finger reconstructed while I was wide awake, and it was less painful than that f*cking movie.

Anyway, yeah, it wasn't a choice. She pulled it once before with Transformers 4, but this was the absolute last straw. She's not allowed to pick the movies anymore, and sure, we argue about that, but I have to remind her that the last time was "Answer the Call", and that Lithium is expensive.

Anyway, mark my words. If anyone ever hears me say, "I'm about to go watch 'Answer the Call'," please call the police immediately, because that's my code for "I'm about to go hang myself in the garage."

[Wildcat]

So did you watch in theaters or once it came out on video?

No I’m not married by the way.

[Leo656]

She DVR'ed it. Neither one of us was ever going to spend a dime on that thing. She just wanted to get back at me for something nasty I said and decided that this was the meanest thing she could do without kicking me out.

I did you a "favor" and looked in the DF group to find out when I finally saw "Answer The Call", because I remember being extremely upset and needing to rant about it to someone who had no power to have me arrested. The date was April 23, 2018. I've Copy/Pasted my feelings because you may find them amusing. If not, my feelings will at the least be made perfectly clear.

I apologize in advance for the fact that I was in no way being "nice" or "polite" with my feelings towards this film or anyone who may like it. I created the DF explicitly for spleen-venting, and these were my stream-of-consciousness thoughts as of 8pm that day. I have not edited this at all from the original posts.

"Enjoy". ("Review" section in bold for the sake of clarification)
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"My wife made me watch the Ghostbusters reboot. I'd seen about half of it by way of trailers, online reviews, etc.; granted, it was all out-of-context, but still, I'd seen enough to know I probably wasn't going to like it.

I was NOT prepared for it to be the WORST GODDAMN F*CKING MOVIE I'VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE.

Holy sh*t. And it's only PARTLY because of how badly it sh*ts on the franchise. That's bad, but the whole movie is bad. Like, relentlessly bad. There's no logic to anything, nothing makes any sense, it's all just one badly-staged slapstick gag leading to the next. It's like one of the worst SNL skits you've ever seen, dragged out to 2 hours and five minutes. And it felt like ten hours.

After they "won" by shooting the main ghost in the dick region, THEN ripped off the ending of "Pacific Rim", I damn near had a stroke. No foolin'! Face went numb and everything.

Bad. Unrepentantly, unapologetically bad. The director had no knowledge or care for the franchise, and THAT shows, because it really does all feel more like a "Scary Movie" style parody of Ghostbusters than anything sincere, but really, aside from that, it's all just extremely poorly done. Like Leslie Jones's character having crucial information about haunted buildings that any of the other characters, being "experts", should have already known, for no reason other than Character #4 hasn't had a line for a few minutes. Sloppy sh*t like that. And if you gender-flip the subplot with Chris Hemsworth's character - hired and kept around ONLY so the females can paw at and ogle him - it all becomes horribly offensive, a tribute to workplace sexual harassment (and borderline assault).

WHY would they keep ordering food from a place that gets their order wrong every single time? I've met mentally-impaired people who would know better. This f*cking movie.

Nothing is funny, the acting is universally horrible, the cameos from the original cast are shameless pandering (and borderline insulting when you realize it's partly THEIR fault we never got a proper sequel in the first place), the script is hot garbage, the CGI would look great as a PS4 game but looks like sh*t as a movie, and the colors are ridiculously over-saturated to the point where stationary objects like trees and chairs positively vibrate with color.

I've maybe seen "worse" movies, as in, made with less money, more glaring technical flaws, whatever. But this... this thing was the WORST experience I've ever had watching a movie. It was painful. I was legit angry.

I wish it was because of the way it disrespected the franchise, but it's just all-around Fail. UGH."
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I definitely could have said more, but there's a ridiculous character limit in Groups so long posts are annoying. But that's how I felt right after watching it. And I never, ever will again.

[Wildcat]

Well I agree there’s times that feel too skit-like and about Kevin. He was too stupid. I don’t like when cartoons, shows or movies make characters like that. They should have toned him down.

[Leo656]

That sh*t was insufferable. And nobody would have thought it was funny if it was gender-flipped. Only tolerated by anyone because of "Salty Fanboy Tears" nonsense, without simply acknowledging something bad and offensive as Bad and Offensive.

I actually never wanted to see Hemsworth in another movie again after that, but since he's playing Hogan I kinda have no choice. But aside from that, yeah, I don't think I care to see him in anything else. I really hated the entire cast to the point I wished I could send them all to the Phantom Zone and be done with it.

"Legend of Chun-Li" was my previous Worst Movie, but at least everyone openly recognizes it as being unwatchable and terrible. And when it came out, there was no "Like this movie or you hate _______!" narrative happening, so everyone just said "Wow, this thing's worthless" and quietly moved on. People's insistence that "Answer the Call" was some kind of force of nature, or even had any right to exist at all, was part of the problem, and part of what "elevates" it from "just" a bad movie to a painfully bad one.

At least whatever Reitman's up to can't be much worse. I don't buy the hype and I'm pretty sure most of what he's saying is corporate spin - as I've said, I'm a trained "hype man" myself, so I know bullsh*t when I smell it - but I'm comforted in knowing one thing: He would have to TRY to make a movie worse than the last one, and I don't think that's the plan. So anything at all should be an improvement.

[Wildcat]

I don’t think he’s trying to give corporate spin. Hasn’t really said anything except he’s really excited and wants to honor the original universe.

[Leo656]

Which is still "spin".

It will be incredibly difficult to "honor the original and its fans" while having the characters people are actually paying money to see spend most of the movie playing second-fiddle to a group of children. That's a fact, not an opinion.

The project as proposed to us so far will be an extremely tricky balancing act, made by a man with a spotty-at-best track record, who to my knowledge has NEVER either directed a "blockbuster", nor a movie that a large number of people actually even saw, and who ultimately - let's be 100% honest - only has the gig because of who his Daddy is. And I'll cite the landmark case of "David Flair vs. Any Wrestling Fan With Two Eyes" as concrete proof that talent is NOT genetic or hereditary (see also: Hogan, Brooke and Hennig, Joe).

I'm sure he cares and I'm sure he's going to try very hard to produce what HE thinks will be a good follow-up. But going strictly by what we know is true and not what we HOPE is true, I can't hope for much. He has no record to speak of and his proposal is ludicrous. It will take a delicate hand to make it work, and I strongly feel that the approach, while good-intentioned, is misguided. To be fair, it's PROBABLY being forced on him by the studio - I'll give him some credit and assume that he knows using literal children is not a good idea - but again, an idea that insipid will take greater care to execute than I'm convinced he's capable of. What's he even done?

I'm sure he's a nice guy, cares a lot, and will try hard. But he's punching above his weight class and I don't like the direction I'm hearing so far. It's ultimately going to be whatever movie Sony decides it should be, NOT whatever Jason Reitman thinks it should be. He has no track record in this area; Sony does, and it's lousy. THAT is what we should be basing expectations on, not the fact that the guy who's obviously excited to pick up Daddy's baton says he is, indeed, excited about it. He's still a pawn in the Big Game.

So yeah, it's still all just spin, even if he's sincere.

[Wildcat]

I still think the original characters are gonna have a bigger role than you think. Maybe not the focus but big enough. Like I mentioned about Rick Moranis in the first. Jason wouldn’t go through all this just to have them pass by.

I don’t know if the kids/teens thing was his idea or not. Even if he wasn’t the son of the original director I’d still put some faith in him for going back and making a proper 3rd movie. That takes effort. I don’t think he’s Sony’s “pawn”. He willingly/purposely took the position.

[Leo656]

What was he gonna do, say no? The last thing I read about him said that his career's basically on the rocks and he desperately needs a successful movie. A huge studio walks up and hands him a project that will definitely get him attention even if people don't universally love it. What would any of us do? There may be more than a little nepotism involved but I doubt he's an idiot.

Unfortunately, this puts him in the unenviable position of, if the movie does poorly, he may never get another shot at the Big Leagues. But I'm sure he's willing to take the risk. Again, what's he gonna do, say "No, thank you?" His phone wasn't ringing off the hook before, apparently.

As for what roles the originals will play, I'm just being realistic. The film won't be more than two hours, and probably less. Within that timeframe of 90-120 minutes, the movie will have to:

- Catch up Brand New Viewers as well as old school fans as to what's been going on in this universe for the last 30 years, both with the original cast as well as just in general
- In SOME way establish that this isn't the same universe as "Answer The Call", because people are generally that stupid and will need it spelled out for them
- Introduce FOUR (4) new "main characters" and establish how they fit into things
- Establish the New Characters' relationship with the original characters
- Evolve that relationship to a point where the originals can gracefully Exit Stage Left and comfortably leave the franchise in the hands of the newcomers from now on
- Wrap up ALL of the original characters' stories in a meaningful and memorable way, because let's face it, they're likely never coming back after this one
- Introduce something about each of the FOUR (4) new characters to make them compelling both individually and as a group, since whoever we get are who we're "stuck with" going forward, most likely
- Find SOME way to make a team of Ghostbusters who can't legally drive, and probably don't have pubes yet, seem like it's NOT just the absolute dumbest idea anyone's ever had for this franchise, and yes, that includes the "Give 'em all a vagina" idea from last time

That's a LOT of work to do, and we haven't even gotten to Plot; those are just boxes that the movie needs to check off so that it isn't a failure at executing its premise. And it's not Star Wars; they're NOT getting three hours and all the money in the world to pull it off. And even then, the new Star Wars movies have failed abysmally to create that balance between Old and New characters, to the point where anyone is either 1. Satisfied with how much we got to see of the older characters, 2. Satisfied with how their stories ultimately ended, or 3. More excited about the New Characters than the old ones. The entire POINT of the Prequel Trilogy was to do, essentially, what this movie aims to do, and even with THREE movies, an all-star cast, a warehouse full of 'Member Berries and all the money in the world in their arsenal, they STILL botched it horribly.

Sony ain't Disney, and this thing ain't no Star Wars. They've given themselves an incredibly difficult job to do, and I'm sorry, looking at the Big Picture I just don't think it can be done in an ultimately satisfying way. Within the restrictions of a two-hour film, I don't see THAT many characters sharing the screentime equitably. If they're gonna get the new cast over to the degree that is necessary, the originals will have to be bit players. That's math, that's physics, that's just plain common sense. Besides, they know that even if the originals are in it for all of 5 minutes, people will still go see it.

I'm just basing my expectations on what we actually know. I'm NOT expecting anything life-changing, or even ultimately satisfying. It might simply not be terrible, and we may have to just settle for that. Again, at this point, I could live with "Not Terrible"; I just wish that better than that was even realistic to hope for.

[Wildcat]

I thought Jason decided to do a ghostbusters movie on his own. Was it offered to him? From what he’s said it sounds like he changed his mind about following his dad’s work. I’m sure he needed to the studio’s permission to go ahead though.

I agree with all those bullet points but I don’t think it’s that hard to include them in 2 hours or so. Mostly typical stuff. Story and characters are usually well established midway through. I mean it’s not going to be a mystery movie.

If they get the age range they want at least 2 of the new members could legally drive. Plus I would not be surprised if Dan did come back for the movie after this as a manager/teacher type character. Someone who sticks around the firehouse.

I love the term member berries. I always think about it when something old is revived. Not because I’m against it. I just find it funny. South Park really created a catchphrase.

[Andrew NDB]

Mr. Stranger Things/It himself, Finn Wolfhard is in talks for a part. I kind of sensed they were going to go after him. Him or someone like him.

https://deadline.com/2019/03/carrie-coon-finn-wolfhard-ghostbusters-movie-sony-1202568194/

Also the movie "will center on a single mom and her family."

[Leo656]

How can anyone deny that they're chasing a trend when they're going after the exact same kid from the stuff they're ripping off? :lol: Oy! Like I get it, but that's just as transparently desperate as when WB said, "Hey, let's just get the 'Avengers' guy for this." Maybe not "desperate" but they definitely put about two minutes worth of thought into that decision.

As one person pointed out on the comments, "ghosts haunt a single mom and her kids" was kind of already the plot of Part II. That's not really bad in and of itself, but it's not going to win over anyone who's main criticism of part II was, "It's like a repeat of Part I."

[Xav]

Ghostbusters: Melissa McCarthy Offers Her Support to Jason Reitman's Sequel (https://screenrant.com/ghostbusters-melissa-mccarthy-support-jason-reitman-sequel/)

[Andrew NDB]

Interesting. Perhaps Finn Wolfard IS Egon's kid. That would be a neat nod to Egon in a movie that obviously can't have him... and if that's true, certainly he would look at the remaining O.G. Ghostbusters as basically 3 uncles.

https://www.aintitcool.com/casting-news-jason-reitman-ghostbusters-2020-81838/

Pure speculation, though.

[Leo656]

So Egon off-screen banged some faceless, nameless character we'd never met or heard of, and NOW she and her kid are Super Important? Ehhhhh... that's asking one to accept a lot. It's also borrowing kind of a lot from the setup for "Creed".

I also can't get over the fact that some Sony executive simply looked at the picture of the Stranger Things kids dressed like Ghostbusters and immediately said "THERE'S our movie!" Because you know that's exactly the beginning and end of how it came together, and I find that extremely silly.

[Wildcat]

Well it’s been over 20 years so any of the original ghostbusters having had a kid with someone makes perfect sense. Were they supposed to stay single all this time?

The kid thing is trend. It just is. I’m not saying that’s bad. Plus a lot of 80s/90s movies had kids as the lead characters so I don’t see how it’s out of place here.

[Leo656]

Trends by definition are kind of bad. People who chase trends are worse. Also - and I keep having to say this - kids are TERRIBLE and ruin everything they're in.

I wouldn't expect any of them to have lived a life of celibacy, but it sure would have helped if they'd use an established character for this. I know GBII tried to force a Janine/Louis "ship", but nobody really bought that and everyone knows she and Egon were "meant to be". Why not just have Annie Potts be the single, bereaved widow and mother of Egon's kid(s)? OH, RIGHT, because she's "too old" by Hollywood standards. And that's a sh*tty reason Why Not.

Just about any decision can be justified if you try hard enough; that still doesn't make them GOOD choices. Give me an hour, and I'll convince you that TV sitcoms peaked with "The Monkees". That doesn't mean I'm right, it just means I'm persuasive, think fourth-dimensionally, and have too much time on my hands.