How long until the PD plants come back?

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.sciencenews.org/sites/default/files/2018/09/main/articles/092918_book_plants_feat_free.jpg

Or are they already starting to come back?

[newfan]

Andrew :lol: That briefly crossed my mind the other day...… and doesn't the drome have an easier system for verifying new members now too? You might have your work cut out ..

I wasn't on here back in 2014, so missed all of that. Do you think it would be less this time if this movie does actually go ahead? You know seen as we had a reboot recently already?

[neatoman]

https://www.sciencenews.org/sites/default/files/2018/09/main/articles/092918_book_plants_feat_free.jpg

Or are they already starting to come back?

2021, that's the estimated release date of the next movie, right? Unless it leaks that Krang is Baxter Stockman's mutated brain or something, then it'll be 2023...

Anyway, can we just get something decently made finally? The fact that the "good" TMNT movies are:

The one about surfer dude puppets fighting a Foot clan made up of runaway kids
The low budget animated movie that feels like its script was a scrapped Brendan Fraser Mummy sequel

Simply feels wrong.

[Andrew NDB]

As far as I'm concerned, anyone with a join date of 2014 or 2016 who returns from the void to talk up the new movie has a scarlet letter on them.

[IndigoErth]

I think it's still gonna be a while, bud... At least until we actually know something about it.


As for the sensitive plants, since that's the pic you used, maybe a bit longer, sometime within the actual promoting, where they actually really start facing debates and eventually can't hold it together.

[Vicky82]

Does Trick or Treater count :lol:

[Autbot_Benz]

Does Trick or Treater count :lol:

no he isn't a plant he is just a troll

[Leo656]

I did notice that a few long-dormant people have suddenly started to chirp again, and they were among the fiercest defenders of BayTurtles.

No such thing as coincidence so... Hmm.

"Send in the Clowns!" "They're already here!" :trazz:

It's pathetic that studios (and networks, AHEM) are so desperate to spin the cultural narrative in their favor that they insist on controlling message board conversations through proxies, but... Eh. What a time to be alive.

[Andrew NDB]

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Brother, they never left...

[IndigoErth]

Nah-ah.

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[Vegita-San]

even the worst of the argumentative plants, or disney investors, will eventually meet the ban hammer eventually.. so it all works out in the end :). somtimes it takes a while, though..and a political argument gone too far ;o)

[Andrew NDB]

even the worst of the argumentative plants, or disney investors, will eventually meet the ban hammer eventually..

Very few were outright banned. Most just went inactive after the blu-rays came out.

[AquaParade]

Honestly, I didn't even notice any plants back in the day. I'm not ready to say there were any, but I'm not outright saying there weren't either. I just never noticed. Maybe I was skimming posts too fast, idk.

I have a hard time seeing a motivation for a bunch of plants to come here. We have zero influence on anything here, even if we are some of the biggest tmnt fans.

[The Deadman]

Shark Blade is still here.

[Leo656]

I have a hard time seeing a motivation for a bunch of plants to come here. We have zero influence on anything here, even if we are some of the biggest tmnt fans.

The same reason Nickelodeon executives will hawk the board and demand that people be put in time out for saying things that they determine to be "mean" about their products.

It's all about controlling the narrative. Getting people to say and think what they, the corporation, want them to say and think. If not enough people are falling in line, they send people in to "direct" the conversation. Here, Facebook... anywhere on the internet where their products are being discussed.

They're not the only people who do it, keep in mind. Social media is huge business. Every big company that I'm aware of has people go "undercover" on their own websites and social media, as well as others, to increase positive comments and reduce negative ones. I've had to log in under an assumed name and leave online reviews about how awesome my company is; it's the marketing game in the 21st Century. If you can turn an entire "room" of people on to your line of thinking, that's a huge win.

It's cheap advertising, and it's absolutely happening everywhere. The fact that "we're the biggest TMNT fans" is all the motivation Nick needs to try and get your "vote" through forcible persuasion. They don't care what you think, BUT, they'd still really like your money.

They'd honestly be stupid NOT to do it, but it's f*cking annoying anyways.

[AquaParade]

The same reason Nickelodeon executives will hawk the board and demand that people be put in time out for saying things that they determine to be "mean" about their products.

It's all about controlling the narrative. Getting people to say and think what they, the corporation, want them to say and think. If not enough people are falling in line, they send people in to "direct" the conversation. Here, Facebook... anywhere on the internet where their products are being discussed.

They're not the only people who do it, keep in mind. Social media is huge business. Every big company that I'm aware of has people go "undercover" on their own websites and social media, as well as others, to increase positive comments and reduce negative ones. I've had to log in under an assumed name and leave online reviews about how awesome my company is; it's the marketing game in the 21st Century. If you can turn an entire "room" of people on to your line of thinking, that's a huge win.

It's cheap advertising, and it's absolutely happening everywhere. The fact that "we're the biggest TMNT fans" is all the motivation Nick needs to try and get your "vote" through forcible persuasion. They don't care what you think, BUT, they'd still really like your money.

They'd honestly be stupid NOT to do it, but it's f*cking annoying anyways.

I hear ya. Compelling argument and I'm not naive enough to think plants aren't all over social media these days. I guess the drome just feels like a dead-end to me for that sort of thing, as opposed to Facebook or something. You're def right about modern marketing tactics.

I guess I just need to see for myself. The Nickelodeon thing sounds interesting.

[Leo656]

To be safe, I'm generally just sh*tty to everyone until they prove they can take it, and after that, we're cool. I figure if it's good enough for Real Life, it's good enough for this place. :trazz:

[Andrew NDB]

It's not about changing the minds of us old-timers... it's more making so much "positive" noise about the product they're shilling, that our opinions become drowned out so the casuals will ignore us and just hear their FAKE positivity.

Watch closely as it'll probably happen again. A bunch of them joined the board last time and immediately befriended each other (you know, within their profiles) and then would swarm anyone saying bad things about 2016 and 2014 before it.

[Prowler]

The same reason Nickelodeon executives will hawk the board and demand that people be put in time out for saying things that they determine to be "mean" about their products.

It's all about controlling the narrative. Getting people to say and think what they, the corporation, want them to say and think. If not enough people are falling in line, they send people in to "direct" the conversation. Here, Facebook... anywhere on the internet where their products are being discussed.

They're not the only people who do it, keep in mind. Social media is huge business. Every big company that I'm aware of has people go "undercover" on their own websites and social media, as well as others, to increase positive comments and reduce negative ones. I've had to log in under an assumed name and leave online reviews about how awesome my company is; it's the marketing game in the 21st Century. If you can turn an entire "room" of people on to your line of thinking, that's a huge win.

It's cheap advertising, and it's absolutely happening everywhere. The fact that "we're the biggest TMNT fans" is all the motivation Nick needs to try and get your "vote" through forcible persuasion. They don't care what you think, BUT, they'd still really like your money.

They'd honestly be stupid NOT to do it, but it's f*cking annoying anyways.

This is why 1984 was such a great book.

[Leo656]

It's not about changing the minds of us old-timers... it's more making so much "positive" noise about the product they're shilling, that our opinions become drowned out so the casuals will ignore us and just hear their FAKE positivity.

Watch closely as it'll probably happen again. A bunch of them joined the board last time and immediately befriended each other (you know, within their profiles) and then would swarm anyone saying bad things about 2016 and 2014 before it.

My favorite were the ones who insisted upon Lies being Truth even after the truth had been exposed.

For example, we know for a fact, thanks to both the novelization of the first PD film as well as the Japanese guy who got tapped to play Shredder at the last minute, that Sachs was originally Shredder, that's the movie they filmed, and the stuff with "Oroku Saki" was a last-minute reshoot patch job, shot in a single room in a couple of hours. Those are Facts.

The plants nonetheless insisted that "Nope! Shredder was always gonna be Japanese! Eric Sachs was simply a brilliant bit of misdirection to keep you all guessing!" Right. Clearly, pissing off the entire audience six months in advance by leaking a terrible idea like "Eric Sachs" was just so... Everyone would be pleasantly surprised when it wasn't that, I guess? That doesn't even make sense, PLUS, as I mentioned, the cat was completely out of the bag by then. "Nope! They fooled you all!" :roll:

People can like or dislike whatever they want, but lies are not acceptable.

[Prowler]

My favorite were the ones who insisted upon Lies being Truth even after the truth had been exposed.

For example, we know for a fact, thanks to both the novelization of the first PD film as well as the Japanese guy who got tapped to play Shredder at the last minute, that Sachs was originally Shredder, that's the movie they filmed, and the stuff with "Oroku Saki" was a last-minute reshoot patch job, shot in a single room in a couple of hours. Those are Facts.

The plants nonetheless insisted that "Nope! Shredder was always gonna be Japanese! Eric Sachs was simply a brilliant bit of misdirection to keep you all guessing!" Right. Clearly, pissing off the entire audience six months in advance by leaking a terrible idea like "Eric Sachs" was just so... Everyone would be pleasantly surprised when it wasn't that, I guess? That doesn't even make sense, PLUS, as I mentioned, the cat was completely out of the bag by then. "Nope! They fooled you all!" :roll:

People can like or dislike whatever they want, but lies are not acceptable.
That's the only instance where I felt like they listened to the fans. The fan backlash against a White Shredder was so big that they probably were afraid it'd hurt their movie and did that as a last minute decision of some sort. That being said, TMNT is not as big as Batman, Superman, etc., are, so most of the mass media and the North American crowd didn't really care... or was even aware of Eric Sachs. So I dunno how Eric Sachs as Shredder would have hurt them much. The movie still turned out to be garbage, but it could have been EVEN worse.

And as a few others said above, Megan Fox was hardly the worst thing about those movies, which is true... and REALLY says something about the quality of said movies. That's what's sad.

Fun fact, I had a convo with a guy about the movie at the time who wasn't a TMNT fan or ever watched it. He basically told me "well, are you really surprised by Megan Fox playing April, anyway? It's a TMNT movie. Were you expecting a great actress to play her?"

This was one guy's insight, but I think this quote above really speaks about the credibility and relevance the TMNT brand has in the eyes of the majority of the audience.

[Leolead]

I mean, I'm not a plant. I was just excited at the idea of seeing TMNT on the big screen for the first time In my life. I was 14. But looking back on the movies now -- I can judge them objectively and yea, they are pretty bad.

[Leo656]

Prowler: True. I'm publicly on record from the beginning that "Anyone can play April". Maybe that's mean, but it really doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter because her character is such a general non-entity. Too many conflicting versions, too many discrepancies, upon which no two fans can agree. Aside from "female companion", there's no constant to April. What's her backstory? Her family? Her upbringing? Her career? What does she even look like, and how old is she, anyway? She's never the same character twice, and nothing about one version is reconcilable with another. Everyone knows her name, but if you ask five people who she is, you get five different answers. Anyone trying to make a movie with her in it already has their work cut out for them, way before they try and cast anyone. By that point, they're probably exhausted. "Just get whatsername and we'll dye her hair."

It's one of many reasons why I dislike all the different, conflicting TMNT universes that we've accumulated. There's way too many, and it's gotten way out of hand when you have 8 different versions of ONE character, and they all have zero in common past the name. How do you decide what's "important" enough to put in the movies, which ideally are going to be seen by many more people and thus become the most familiar version of the character for an entire generation? It needn't be so complicated.

But it is, and since April is pretty much a blank slate outside of, "hangs out with the Turtles", it really doesn't matter who plays her, one version is as good as any other at this point. Cast Megan Fox or Beyonce or Amber Heard, and they're equally "appropriate" depending on whatever they wanna do.

It definitely should not be that way, but that's where we are now. Based on what I have seen, I will agree that Megan Fox was definitely not the worst thing but it's also disappointing to realize that her being in the movie was probably the only reason it got made. She shouldn't have been there, but again, it really doesn't matter.

I don't like that, but it is what it is.

[Prowler]

Prowler: True. I'm publicly on record from the beginning that "Anyone can play April". Maybe that's mean, but it really doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter because her character is such a general non-entity. Too many conflicting versions, too many discrepancies, upon which no two fans can agree. Aside from "female companion", there's no constant to April. What's her backstory? Her family? Her upbringing? Her career? What does she even look like, and how old is she, anyway? She's never the same character twice, and nothing about one version is reconcilable with another. Everyone knows her name, but if you ask five people who she is, you get five different answers. Anyone trying to make a movie with her in it already has their work cut out for them, way before they try and cast anyone. By that point, they're probably exhausted. "Just get whatsername and we'll dye her hair."

It's one of many reasons why I dislike all the different, conflicting TMNT universes that we've accumulated. There's way too many, and it's gotten way out of hand when you have 8 different versions of ONE character, and they all have zero in common past the name. How do you decide what's "important" enough to put in the movies, which ideally are going to be seen by many more people and thus become the most familiar version of the character for an entire generation? It needn't be so complicated.

But it is, and since April is pretty much a blank slate outside of, "hangs out with the Turtles", it really doesn't matter who plays her, one version is as good as any other at this point. Cast Megan Fox or Beyonce or Amber Heard, and they're equally "appropriate" depending on whatever they wanna do.

It definitely should not be that way, but that's where we are now. Based on what I have seen, I will agree that Megan Fox was definitely not the worst thing but it's also disappointing to realize that her being in the movie was probably the only reason it got made. She shouldn't have been there, but again, it really doesn't matter.

I don't like that, but it is what it is.
She's definitely the most famous actress to have ever played April. Perhaps Judith Hoag and Paige Turco were rather big names in their prime, but, despite me being no huge movie buff, I'm pretty sure neither was ever as big as Megan Fox was in her prime. So yes, in that sense, she was important when it came to selling tickets. But then again, so was Michael Bay. Even if his movies are hardly masterpieces, a lot of people like them and everyone knows what to expect when a movie is directed or produced by him.

Tbh, I've never had an issue with April in the FW series. Her character fit the series fine, as did in the original movie trilogy. I've only read about 20 Mirage issues so far, so can't say much. In the 2k3 series she didn't appear as much as in the FW series. She was nice and all, but after some episodes of her being the "first ever human friend the turtles make", I felt like she wasn't anything special anymore. At least in the FW series she's definitely the most important ally of the Turtles and Splinter. That's enough of a purpose, imo.

Making April a kid is an idea I've never liked. And turning her into a token minority character was dumb as even dumber. Sadly, that's he idea of Hollywood and the American entertainment industry nowadays. Making characters black or gay in order to make them more interesting, as if being one of those things automatically makes a character more interesting and well-written. :roll:

[Leo656]

T'were it me, I would just stick to the original cartoon April as a foundation, since that's the most familiar version to the general public, but she'd have more than one outfit. I've always figured that having a friend like her in such a position was extremely advantageous to them, insofar as she's ideally placed to skew any reports of their existence and misdirect people away from them, as well as help them obtain information and access which they may not have been able to obtain on their own.

Basically, the way she was presented in the 1990 film is just fine with me. I may have cast a slightly hotter actress, but she was fine, and the portrayal itself was just about perfect in my opinion.

I'm well aware she was a scientist or whatever in Mirage, but that never thrilled me too much for some reason. I don't even remember if her occupation remained important, after the first couple stories.

[Prowler]

T'were it me, I would just stick to the original cartoon April as a foundation, since that's the most familiar version to the general public, but she'd have more than one outfit. I've always figured that having a friend like her in such a position was extremely advantageous to them, insofar as she's ideally placed to skew any reports of their existence and misdirect people away from them, as well as help them obtain information and access which they may not have been able to obtain on their own.

Basically, the way she was presented in the 1990 film is just fine with me. I may have cast a slightly hotter actress, but she was fine, and the portrayal itself was just about perfect in my opinion.

I'm well aware she was a scientist or whatever in Mirage, but that never thrilled me too much for some reason. I don't even remember if her occupation remained important, after the first couple stories.
Exactly. It was the closest they had to having friends in a high place.

Yeah, once she lost her job at Baxter's company she began managing the Antique Store, wasn't it? No idea if she ever went back to working as a scientist again or not. Haven't read much of Mirage yet.

And besides, they already have a scientist/engineer in the group: Donatello. So it's not like they're lacking in that department. That being said, in 2k3 and Mirage they manage to avoid overexposure much easier.

[graphic_content]

As far as I'm concerned, anyone with a join date of 2014 or 2016 who returns from the void to talk up the new movie has a scarlet letter on them.

I could see why you would think that - but in my case, even as long time fan of the Turtles, I really come on these boards just to discuss the new movies. (new storylines, new designs, new direction overall makes for interesting back and forths)

I have little interest in the cartoons, so I rarely participate in the conversations. And while I revisit the comics from time to time, its not enough in my eyes to meaningfully participate on those conversations.

In short, the new movie just give us 'less active' members (who arent plants) just something new to talk about.

[Papenbrook]

How long until the PD plants come back?

They will arrive in about 10 months ...

[Andrew NDB]

I mean, I'm not a plant. I was just excited at the idea of seeing TMNT on the big screen for the first time In my life. I was 14. But looking back on the movies now -- I can judge them objectively and yea, they are pretty bad.

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

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Sure are a $hit-ton of new and "new" faces cropping up in the last month or so.

Coincidence, maybe? Surely?

[Andrew NDB]

Sure are a $hit-ton of new and "new" faces cropping up in the last month or so.

Coincidence, maybe? Surely?

Very, very suspect. Seems like they've evolved somewhat since the last time around... they're acting "natural" earlier so as not to arouse suspicion when it's time to defend the new movie. Perhaps the idea may even be to activate them earlier, so as to try and move goodwill back to Platinum Dunes sooner rather than later. In a way. Like a bunch of new faced PLANTS come and all say, "Yeahhhh... the first two PD movies were bad, I guess, but THIS one looks AWESOME!!!"

I'm onto them.

[samxsteal]

I'm still here lol haven't post in a while mostly cuz there's nothing new to talk about worth discussing.

And hell yeah when new info come out I'll likely come here because that's what this place is for and

Just cuz people liked the PD turtle doesn't make them plants and the fact that you're so egotistical to think you're some how more of a true fan then someone (especially with your track record Andrew) it pretty ridiculous.

Y'all who think your better can suck it lol.

Fans have every right to enjoy what they want and if they want to talk positively about it then so be it

Like I'm some how less of a fan, cuz I like something you don't GTFO with your crap

Some people left because this place became a toxic sespool and alot of the fans of the movie found more receptive outlet.

[Leo656]

haven't post in a while mostly cuz there's nothing new to talk about worth discussing.

I sincerely wish more people adopted this philosophy.

Thank you for being a role model.
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By the way, nothing's changed. If you don't agree with majority opinion, they're in fact allowed to scream in your ear what an idiot you are. There's a whole other thread about it.

I don't like BayTurtles, but I've worn out that record. But I feel obligated to tell you, anyone who doesn't subscribe to popular opinion... this board is not for them. Just in case you've thought about becoming a regular presence again.

I wouldn't.

[AquaParade]

I honestly rather have a few plants then scare away anyone who feels under the gun because they are new and enjoy the PD films.

I mean, I make up my own mind anyway, so having a few plants around a place as dead as this doesn't seem like such a big deal to me.

I just think we should be careful about pointing the finger.

[Leo656]

Well, my beef isn't specifically with anyone who has genuine enthusiasm for a product that "Consensus" has decided is "bad". I sincerely mean it when I say, "People can like what they like." I just think it helps if they can support their opinion a little bit beyond "feelings." "This is good because...", or, "This is bad because..."

"I feel this way because I just do..." Ehhhh, I'm not gonna try and change their minds but I'm not gonna listen to them, either.

I happen to agree with "Consensus" in the case of these films, but I more than anyone knows these peoples' pain. I am, if nothing else, the KING of "Unpopular Opinion", and I'm aware of that. Everything I could ever say about these two films, I've probably said it enough. Unless I'm asked, I'm probably gonna look forward more than back, and anything said about them will probably only be used to support a prediction about the next one.

But some people absolutely were paid to come in here to cheerlead and rabble-rouse. And, they often tried to refute Facts about the movie with flat-out lies, which I can't abide, ever. Liars burn in goddamn Hell. Zero tolerance. Just a quirk that I have. Hopefully nobody will try and defend liars, or the act of lying, to me. But anyway.

The people who came in here to shill a product and try to skew the conversation in their direction... that really shouldn't be tolerated. I can't remember names but there were plenty who were very transparent, and as Andrew and others have pointed out, most of them vanished the second the movie was out, or shortly after.

Guys like sam are just enthusiastic, and that's fine. But I'm definitely opposed to having people from "corporate" come in here and try and "brainwash" people. I'm not convinced that it does little harm.

The larger problem with the forum isn't even about plants, and what the appropriate response to them is; it's that regardless of what the popular opinion is on any given topic from cartoons to movies to politics, if you don't agree with it, you're shouted down and run off, anyway. You don't have to be a plant, you just have to say, out loud, that you like any unpopular thing, and it's like blood in the water. This place is very heavily weighted towards "Only Consensus Is Correct" in recent years, and if we're sincere about not running people off in general, then we need to find a broader vocabulary with which to disagree. I've been saying that for at least the last ten years.

People who like the PD movies absolutely have the right to post their opinions on this forum, but I question why they would even bother. Sadism? A thirst for public abuse? Do they like being called names and having their intelligence insulted? I don't get it. I personally can choose to respect their opinion going forward, but most people here ain't me.

They're gonna get made fun of, and they're gonna get yelled at, and they're gonna have a bad time. I don't see the point.

[samxsteal]

Well, my beef isn't specifically with anyone who has genuine enthusiasm for a product that "Consensus" has decided is "bad". I sincerely mean it when I say, "People can like what they like." I just think it helps if they can support their opinion a little bit beyond "feelings." "This is good because...", or, "This is bad because..."

"I feel this way because I just do..." Ehhhh, I'm not gonna try and change their minds but I'm not gonna listen to them, either.

I happen to agree with "Consensus" in the case of these films, but I more than anyone knows these peoples' pain. I am, if nothing else, the KING of "Unpopular Opinion", and I'm aware of that. Everything I could ever say about these two films, I've probably said it enough. Unless I'm asked, I'm probably gonna look forward more than back, and anything said about them will probably only be used to support a prediction about the next one.

But some people absolutely were paid to come in here to cheerlead and rabble-rouse. And, they often tried to refute Facts about the movie with flat-out lies, which I can't abide, ever. Liars burn in goddamn Hell. Zero tolerance. Just a quirk that I have. Hopefully nobody will try and defend liars, or the act of lying, to me. But anyway.

The people who came in here to shill a product and try to skew the conversation in their direction... that really shouldn't be tolerated. I can't remember names but there were plenty who were very transparent, and as Andrew and others have pointed out, most of them vanished the second the movie was out, or shortly after.

Guys like sam are just enthusiastic, and that's fine. But I'm definitely opposed to having people from "corporate" come in here and try and "brainwash" people. I'm not convinced that it does little harm.

The larger problem with the forum isn't even about plants, and what the appropriate response to them is; it's that regardless of what the popular opinion is on any given topic from cartoons to movies to politics, if you don't agree with it, you're shouted down and run off, anyway. You don't have to be a plant, you just have to say, out loud, that you like any unpopular thing, and it's like blood in the water. This place is very heavily weighted towards "Only Consensus Is Correct" in recent years, and if we're sincere about not running people off in general, then we need to find a broader vocabulary with which to disagree. I've been saying that for at least the last ten years.

People who like the PD movies absolutely have the right to post their opinions on this forum, but I question why they would even bother. Sadism? A thirst for public abuse? Do they like being called names and having their intelligence insulted? I don't get it. I personally can choose to respect their opinion going forward, but most people here ain't me.

They're gonna get made fun of, and they're gonna get yelled at, and they're gonna have a bad time. I don't see the point.

Thank you this is pretty much how I feel, alot of users were seriously forced to leave sure to their opinions just for trying to have an easy fun conversation about something they enjoy. They were belittled since like pudding reacted with think skin and venom and it got him kicked,

And regardless of how you feel about the product that sucks for people to be passed that way, it wasn't even just well this is the internet have think skin it was your wrong your stupid your a terrible person for enjoying the. That's a shame.

And hell yes I'm excited to see another tmnt sure I hope it made so most people can enjoy but everyone know you can't please everyone

If I made spelling words I will come back and edit at work and not supposed to be on my phone...

[Voltron]

I sincerely wish more people adopted this philosophy.

Thank you for being a role model.
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By the way, nothing's changed. If you don't agree with majority opinion, they're in fact allowed to scream in your ear what an idiot you are. There's a whole other thread about it.

I don't like BayTurtles, but I've worn out that record. But I feel obligated to tell you, anyone who doesn't subscribe to popular opinion... this board is not for them. Just in case you've thought about becoming a regular presence again.

I wouldn't.

Wait, there's a sizable number of Bayturtle fans? I'm kind of surprised. I watched the first movie and the characters were wholly unmemorable. The only thing I remember was poison gas and Shredder being a giant robot for no particular reason.

Oh, and that a bunch of New Yorkers were eating Pizza Hut or something, which in a movie about 6 foot tall mutant turtles was still the hardest part to believe.

[IndigoErth]

If there was anything sizeable, that second film wouldn't have bombed. :trazz:


The Turtles themselves are mostly okay in my book at this point. (Mostly.) Leo eventually won me over as I knew he probably would, esp via OotS where they were all far better characters and not the hallow depictions they were in the first (that first one just made me depressed after seeing it :tsad:), but as for the movies themselves there is no excuse...

[Leo656]

Oh, and that a bunch of New Yorkers were eating Pizza Hut or something, which in a movie about 6 foot tall mutant turtles was still the hardest part to believe.

Talk about bangin' the f*ckin' nail, brother. :lol: Even someone living in a sewer would know better. Jeebus.

[Galactus]

Wait, there's a sizable number of Bayturtle fans? I'm kind of surprised. I watched the first movie and the characters were wholly unmemorable. The only thing I remember was poison gas and Shredder being a giant robot for no particular reason.

Oh, and that a bunch of New Yorkers were eating Pizza Hut or something, which in a movie about 6 foot tall mutant turtles was still the hardest part to believe.

Not really.

Ten or so people liked it. A couple of 'em used to post here.

Another ten or so said they liked it and defended it to the hilt but when pressed admitted they only liked it because it was TMNT.

Then there was a bunch a people who was clearly their job to say they loved it and everyone else was hater and we'd better strap in for a whole series.

Funny how things work out.

[Voltron]

Oh, thank God! I was worried for a minute.

[samxsteal]

Not really.

Ten or so people liked it. A couple of 'em used to post here.

Another ten or so said they liked it and defended it to the hilt but when pressed admitted they only liked it because it was TMNT.

Then there was a bunch a people who was clearly their job to say they loved it and everyone else was hater and we'd better strap in for a whole series.

Funny how things work out.
And see this is the crap I'm talking about

BS the whole statement smh

There were plenty of fansof the PD movie only shame was they should have axee the first movie and release the second movie as it was in the first place

But to just will fully ignore a large group because you couldn't be bothered to let those enjoy what they want to. That's the freaking issue smh

[Coola Yagami]

But it wasn't enjoyable. It spat in the face of everything TMNT. The PD movies some people will literally like anything with the TMNT logo attached and that's messed up. It means they can literally create anything and people will still pay.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

If you only post when plants are being discussed and a new movie is being rolled out, well...

Watch out for the pesticide, it'll probably knock you on your @ss.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

While I do think there were plants on these boards- and will be again- I do believe there was an almost witch hunt mentality that formed, of people looking for plants.While I do think there are moronic plants that should be called out. I think there actually were a few new people who just liked the bay movies, and they got chased off by overzealous gatekeeper jerks. While PD plants are a problem, not everyone who doesn't agree with the TMNT fan hivemind is a plant.

Look, I have two of the TMNT movies in my collection: the dvds of the 1990 film, and the DVD for out of the shadows. Those two movies are my favorite Ninja turtles films. Those movies, to me, are TMNT. the original is the best TMNT film ever made, and Out of the shadows has characters I wanted to see in a TMNT film. that is a personal opinion, and just because a new poster likes something everyone else thinks is trash, it does not make that person a plant.

[samxsteal]

But it wasn't enjoyable. It spat in the face of everything TMNT. The PD movies some people will literally like anything with the TMNT logo attached and that's messed up. It means they can literally create anything and people will still pay.
Here is a novel idea maybe things can be subjective like what makes tmnt great is it pretty expensive, so for some what makes tmnt is different from others, I enjoyed the first movie I know that not everyone did but what really made the movie bad was the toxic fans who just can't grasp that others might think differently.

If you only post when plants are being discussed and a new movie is being rolled out, well...

Watch out for the pesticide, it'll probably knock you on your @ss.

Or maybe users on this site made it not worth stocking around to here the garbage the kept spewing again I found more receptive outlets to discuss with like minded fans

I liked the first movie I greatly enjoyed the sequel

Am I excited to see what they have in store for the next movie hell yeah I am
Does that make me a plant hell no

[newfan]

Well unless we have some very psychic members I think those who registered years ago are obviously not PD PLANTS :)

So far as newer people, Panda_kahn_fan made the point above, yes there will be PLANTS and there will be a number of people who do like the movie, just a case of telling them apart, as I said before I wasn't here then, I just hear that it was ugly all around.

[samxsteal]

While I do think there were plants on these boards- and will be again- I do believe there was an almost witch hunt mentality that formed, of people looking for plants.While I do think there are moronic plants that should be called out. I think there actually were a few new people who just liked the bay movies, and they got chased off by overzealous gatekeeper jerks. While PD plants are a problem, not everyone who doesn't agree with the TMNT fan hivemind is a plant.

Look, I have two of the TMNT movies in my collection: the dvds of the 1990 film, and the DVD for out of the shadows. Those two movies are my favorite Ninja turtles films. Those movies, to me, are TMNT. the original is the best TMNT film ever made, and Out of the shadows has characters I wanted to see in a TMNT film. that is a personal opinion, and just because a new poster likes something everyone else thinks is trash, it does not make that person a plant.
I really believe that if they released out of the shadows first it would have done much better, it was a much better film, it was closer to the source. I honestly enjoyed it and it sucks I don't get to see what happens next.

But I am excited to see what they have in store for us in the next movie

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Or maybe users on this site made it not worth stocking around to here the garbage the kept spewing again I found more receptive outlets to discuss with like minded fans

I liked the first movie I greatly enjoyed the sequel

Am I excited to see what they have in store for the next movie hell yeah I am
Does that make me a plant hell no

If I don't see somebody commenting on the cartoons, or the comics, or the toys, or anything in the not-TMNT section... just in the movie section whenever movies come out...

I dunno, man. If Andrew calls those people plants, I'm not sure he's wrong.

I like you okay, though, plant or no plant. I remember you having a hard time with your mom a couple of years ago; hope you're doing well.

[samxsteal]

If I don't see somebody commenting on the cartoons, or the comics, or the toys, or anything in the not-TMNT section... just in the movie section whenever movies come out...

I dunno, man. If Andrew calls those people plants, I'm not sure he's wrong.

I like you okay, though, plant or no plant. I remember you having a hard time with your mom a couple of years ago; hope you're doing well.
I don't really pay in those groups often, and u know others that are the same
I mean I get what you're saying

I just want to know why the f Andrew is some how the distinguisher on plants or not, the dude has legit said he pretty much hates every version of turtles lol like what??? And some how people trust that, that fine if you put stock in that gut but that's on you presonally couldn't care less whwt crap spews out that guys mouth

She's in a better place than you. My father in law passed last year cuz some drink @$$ hoke hot him on his way home from a golf trip so life was a little rough last year

[Andrew NDB]

samxsteal's join date insulates him from any PLANT controversy. 2006 is very different than a 2014 or 2016 join date... or a 2019 one.

[samxsteal]

samxsteal's join date insulates him from any PLANT controversy. 2006 is very different than a 2014 or 2016 join date... or a 2019 one.

You legit are a freaking tool lol

Like wtf give you the right to didctate whether or not new fan joining ate plants for not this place isn't all they great to thing a movie company would legit spend resource into "plants" I'm sorry but this place doesn't have that much clout lol.

And your thinking it why this place has kind of stagnated

But sure keep pushing everyone off the site and sit on your pretend throne of almighty tmntship like you're opinion some how matters in the scheme of things lol.

[Andrew NDB]

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[Vicky82]

I expect a lot of people thought Andrew was a plant when he joined in 2007, he joined the same year the TMNT 07 movie came out. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

These plants are vicious

[Andrew NDB]

These plants are vicious

This new batch is going right for the kneecaps. Sheesh!

[samxsteal]

Lol thank you everyone for proving my freaking point good job

[Andrew NDB]

Lol thank you everyone for proving my freaking point good job

Holy sh**... 2006, waittaminute... maybe you're one of the original PLANTS! From the very first batch, for the 2007 movie!

[samxsteal]

Holy sh**... 2006, waittaminute... maybe you're one of the original PLANTS! From the very first batch, for the 2007 movie!

O_O.........
Well you can't fix stupid I guess
Smh

[IndigoErth]

Fake plant news. Wait for the real ones, you all...

No reason they'd really be springing up this soon with literally no info to talk about.

[Andrew NDB]

Fake plant news. Wait for the real ones, you all...

No reason they'd really be springing up this soon with literally no info to talk about.

PLANTS 3.0... this time they grow roots in advance.

[Vicky82]

Yes I joined in 2006 but at that time, I was heavy focused on Gargoyles with the new comics coming out. I don't think I even posted anything about the 2007 movie or even paid any attention to any 2007 movie threads, I can't remember. I remember going to see it but that's it.

I love Gargoyles and TMNT but Gargoyles would always comes first.

[samxsteal]

Lol that fact that you all really think the studio would even waist time and resources on a web form instead of places like Facebook which would reach much larger groups and be a whole lot less work. You sure do think very highly of yourselves just saying....

[Andrew NDB]

Lol that fact that you all really think the studio would even waist time and resources on a web form instead of places like Facebook which would reach large groups and be a while lot less work. You sure do think very highly of yourselves just saying....

They have pretty huge marketing budgets. Stuff like this (mitigating the "vibe" on social media including this board/shutting down naysayers) wouldn't cost much.

Though I'm sure they hire third party companies that specialize in such things and it's not like, them directly. Though in the past we've seen actual "talent" masquerade behind alts to rabble-rouse... but that isn't quite the same thing.

[samxsteal]

They have pretty huge marketing budgets. And stuff like this wouldn't cost much.

Though I'm sure they hire third party companies that specialize in such things and it's not like, them directly. Though in the past we've seen actual "talent" masquerade behind alts to rabble-rouse... which isn't quite the same thing.

I really don't care what you think they're not waiting time on a web forum we h they could do what you described easier and more effectively on social media. Lol
But seriously keep thinking you're more important than you really are.

[Andrew NDB]

I really don't care what you think they're not waiting time on a web forum we h they could do what you described easier and more effectively on social media. Lol
But seriously keep thinking you're more important than you really are.

And you just... keep doing exactly what you're doing. :D

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Gosh, I love this place.

[IndigoErth]

I've seen firsthand (but not participated) that companies certainly do pay people to promote and review products in a positive light, and would not at all surprise me if film companies do very similar for their won product. Esp if it's a longtime franchise? The main sites like this are clearly going to be primary targets among others.

Heck, even the makers of this stuff lurk... Remember when Megan Fox tried to cuss out fans prior to 2014 premiering because of the amount of negative feelings over that one? :tlol: I believe Bay himself tried to get in on that also... (Ugh, then Donnie's actor too, but at least he made up for it later.) If they themselves pay enough attention to get their own feathers ruffled over it, they no doubt would pay people to try to counter it.

Though people are too smart and some of them are too easy to see through. Could end up having the reverse effect then.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Bobby Curnow, Tristan Jones, Tom Waltz, and Ciro have all been on the 'Drome, plus a lot more creators and writers that I don't remember or haven't bumped into...

But Nickelodeon employees? People working on the movies?

OH SURELY NOT. WHY EVER WOULD THEY!?

Andrew calling out all these plants brings to mind words of wisdom and appreciation from a great, great man...

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[Andrew NDB]

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[samxsteal]

I've seen firsthand (but not participated) that companies certainly do pay people to promote and review products in a positive light, and would not at all surprise me if film companies do very similar for their won product. Esp if it's a longtime franchise? The main sites like this are clearly going to be primary targets among others.

Heck, even the makers of this stuff lurk... Remember when Megan Fox tried to cuss out fans prior to 2014 premiering because of the amount of negative feelings over that one? :tlol: I believe Bay himself tried to get in on that also... (Ugh, then Donnie's actor too, but at least he made up for it later.) If they themselves pay enough attention to get their own feathers ruffled over it, they no doubt would pay people to try to counter it.

Though people are too smart and some of them are too easy to see through. Could end up having the reverse effect then.

I'm not saying that there aren't people who promote or even do things that Andrew has discribed, but to thinks there going to waist resources on more then what maybe one person whole legitimately might be a plant on a forun like this is just fluffing your ego this site isn't that big. I used to enjoy it because it used to be A place a lot of different types of fans could go to enjoy different versions of turtles but it's turned into an elitist group of "yaa bro" s


All that stuff you mention wasn't because of this site lol

Yeah there were alot of vocal people many who actively attack the actors on Twitter which is likely who they were actually "attacking"

But sorry they were even thinking about this site sorry.
Bobby Curnow, Tristan Jones, Tom Waltz, and Ciro have all been on the 'Drome, plus a lot more creators and writers that I don't remember or haven't bumped into...

But Nickelodeon employees? People working on the movies?

OH SURELY NOT. WHY EVER WOULD THEY!?

Andrew calling out all these plants brings to mind words of wisdom and appreciation from a great, great man...

https://y.yarn.co/9e92dd8c-1f12-4426-b7ac-131dca1d294a_screenshot.jpg

Your point? Those are actual individuals who joined for they're own personal reason you calling them plants???

Andrew didn't call out iack $h!t he called everyone and anyone who enjoyed the movie a plant regardless of why they said they liked it regardless off how long they were a member I was there I remember perfectly fine and you can keep feeding his ego and make feel even more intitled if you want but that not helping anything it's not going this site better it's not helping the fandom. It literally turning a once enjoyable site many frequented regular into a sespool that no longer enjoyable

Keep stroking his ego though it's cute

[Andrew NDB]

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm not saying that there aren't people who promote or even do things that Andrew has discribed, but to thinks there going to waist resources on more then what maybe one person whole legitimately might be a plant on a forun like this is just fluffing your ego this site isn't that big. I used to enjoy it because it used to be A place a lot of different types of fans could go to enjoy different versions of turtles but it's turned into an elitist group of "yaa bro" s

Just pointing out to anyone who thinks that it's absurd actual TMNT creators/employees would frequent this board... that we already have known (and appreciated) officials on here.

That means the 'Drome is definitely on corporate radars.

Therefore, this means that plants are not out of the question.

QED. Dots connected! Logic upheld! Yeaaaaaaaaah bro!

[Leo656]

Let me just say, from experience, that "the studio", or "the Network", whatever - I just call them "Corporate" - definitely has time and energy to waste "hawking" a message board, because one of them insisted that I be temp-banned for saying some things about the new cartoon that were explicitly tongue-in-cheek but they didn't take it that way. And I've heard from "on high" that they've influenced events here before. So they're definitely paying close attention to us.

Which reminds me, to those who are watching: "Buy a shirt, my cat's gotta eat. Most people who watch me that closely have to buy tickets."

But anyway. Just to clarify that.

But HEY, I have a great idea, since this all kinda proves my point from earlier in the week. It's gonna solve all our problems. Ready? Here it is:

- Don't put any value in the opinion of strangers on the internet.
- Keep your opinions to yourself.
- Never share.
- Go outside.

Since a bunch of grown-ups lack the vocabulary OR the people skills to express themselves in a non-inflammatory way on either side of any disagreement that comes up around here, then nobody should talk. It's that simple.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I went ahead and made one addition to your suggested life curriculum... I figured, while you're telling people to stop being basement nerds, you might as well hit ALL the stops.

Good stuff overall, but you missed some basic stuff. B+ C'mon, man, I can't stop grading your papers until you stop leaving out important details. And $hit, man, cite your damn sources.

Doors and corners, rookie. Doors and corners.

Let me just say, from experience, that "the studio", or "the Network", whatever - I just call them "Corporate" - definitely has time and energy to waste "hawking" a message board, because one of them insisted that I be temp-banned for saying some things about the new cartoon that were explicitly tongue-in-cheek but they didn't take it that way. And I've heard from "on high" that they've influenced events here before. So they're definitely paying close attention to us.

Which reminds me, to those who are watching: "Buy a shirt, my cat's gotta eat. Most people who watch me that closely have to buy tickets."

But anyway. Just to clarify that.

But HEY, I have a great idea, since this all kinda proves my point from earlier in the week. It's gonna solve all our problems. Ready? Here it is:

- Don't put any value in the opinion of strangers on the internet.
- Keep your opinions to yourself.
- Never share.
- Go outside.
- Get laid.

Since a bunch of grown-ups lack the vocabulary OR the people skills to express themselves in a non-inflammatory way on either side of any disagreement that comes up around here, then nobody should talk. It's that simple.

[Leo656]

Fair point, mate. :lol:

But frankly, just being around this place as long as I have... I decided to err on the side of caution so as not to "offend" anyone. You know how it is.

Most people here will never slam dunk a basketball. They'll never hit a grand slam. They'll never bowl 300. And so on.

Sometimes it's just plain vulgar to mock people for not doing things that... well... you get where I'm going with this. :trazz:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Fair point, mate. :lol:

But frankly, just being around this place as long as I have... I decided to err on the side of caution so as not to "offend" anyone. You know how it is.

Most people here will never slam dunk a basketball. They'll never hit a grand slam. They'll never bowl 300. And so on.

Sometimes it's just plain vulgar to mock people for not doing things that... well... you get where I'm going with this. :trazz:

...

YOU'RE being cautious? YOU'RE trying not to offend anyone? :teek:

WTF, man. Did Mirror Universe Leo656 cross over and replace the Leo656 we all knew and lov--er... hmm. That's not right. Um... Knew and tolerated. Yeah, that's it.

[samxsteal]

Fair point, mate. :lol:

But frankly, just being around this place as long as I have... I decided to err on the side of caution so as not to "offend" anyone. You know how it is.

Most people here will never slam dunk a basketball. They'll never hit a grand slam. They'll never bowl 300. And so on.

Sometimes it's just plain vulgar to mock people for not doing things that... well... you get where I'm going with this. :trazz:
I'm good on that front im married currently try to conceive so I'm good.

[Leo656]

...

YOU'RE being cautious? YOU'RE trying not to offend anyone? :teek:

WTF, man. Did Mirror Universe Leo656 cross over and replace the Leo656 we all knew and lov--er... hmm. That's not right. Um... Knew and tolerated. Yeah, that's it.

He tried. Then I ripped his still-beating heart out and ate it so as to absorb his power. I've been doing this with all alternative-universe versions of "me" for longer than this present universe has existed.

Ol' Rikki Raiden don't f*ck around.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

He tried. Then I ripped his still-beating heart out and ate it so as to absorb his power. I've been doing this with all alternative-universe versions of "me" for longer than this present universe has existed.

Ol' Rikki Raiden don't f*ck around.

Holy $hit. Evil Leo656 IS Prime Leo656.

[samxsteal]

Just pointing out to anyone who thinks that it's absurd actual TMNT creators/employees would frequent this board... that we already have known (and appreciated) officials on here.

That means the 'Drome is definitely on corporate radars.

Therefore, this means that plants are not out of the question.

QED. Dots connected! Logic upheld! Yeaaaaaaaaah bro!
Oh no I know that it's on their radar I'm just saying it's a tiny blip compare to fb and other social media that much more easily accessible.

Again if you want to stroke your ego and pretend this place is the deciding factor or put stock In Things Andrew say then so be it but you're just playing yourself

[Leo656]

Holy $hit. Evil Leo656 IS Prime Leo656.

Yeah, and I don't go for that head-chopping nonsense. Pussies!

Trivia Fact: The human heart, when consumed, isn't entirely dissimilar to a well-prepared haggis.

...In case anyone is hungry.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh no I know that it's on their radar I'm just saying it's a tiny blip compare to fb and other social media that much more easily accessible.

Again if you want to stroke your ego and pretend this place is the deciding factor or put stock In Things Andrew say then so be it but you're just playing yourself

One factor. Not the deciding factor. And you can tell yourself whatever you wish... unless your marching orders tell you otherwise, of course.:)

[samxsteal]

One factor. Not the deciding factor. And you can tell yourself whatever you wish... unless your marching orders tell you otherwise, of course.:)

Lol says the guy thats whole thing on this site is think like me or your garbage lol,

I'm good I've always been transparent in the fact that I'm not a stickler for things, I can enjoy just about any movie in some shape for form. And one thing I don't do I $h!t post others for having a differing feeling about a freaking movie.

But I guy some people have to mature in that aspect of life a little slower then others lol.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, and I don't go for that head-chopping nonsense. Pussies!

Trivia Fact: The human heart, when consumed, isn't entirely dissimilar to a well-prepared haggis.

...In case anyone is hungry.

Wait, you're Scottish?

Eew.

[Leo656]

Wait, you're Scottish?

Eew.

No, Irish, I just have good taste in things.

Lol says the guy thats whole thing on this site is think like me or your garbage lol,


This has not been my experience with Andrew.

I like to cite him as an example because I don't think we agree on much, but we've had some good conversations.

[samxsteal]

No, Irish, I just have good taste in things.



This has not been my experience with Andrew.

I like to cite him as an example because I don't think we agree on much, but we've had some good conversations.

So he's just a d!<k about the movie then? Cuz literally every time I've poped back in since the movie release I have been him just seeing a complete jerk about anything movie related for example this whole freaking thread.... Like legit I have never seen a single constructive thing from him since I've been on here.

[Leo656]

I think he's a bit more tactful in one-on-one conversations, but otherwise I won't speak for him.

[Andrew NDB]

So he's just a d!<k about the movie then? Cuz literally every time I've poped back in since the movie release I have been him just seeing a complete jerk about anything movie related for example this whole freaking thread.... Like legit I have never seen a single constructive thing from him since I've been on here.

You're a very, very angry individual.

[Galactus]

And see this is the crap I'm talking about

BS the whole statement smh

There were plenty of fansof the PD movie only shame was they should have axee the first movie and release the second movie as it was in the first place

But to just will fully ignore a large group because you couldn't be bothered to let those enjoy what they want to. That's the freaking issue smh

I was being flippant but there clearly is not a majority that love the Platinum Dunes movies. If there was the series would not have tanked.

Honestly most of the people on here that were not very obvious plants that loved the movies when pressed admitted they were not really good but they liked them because it was TMNT and as fans they feel they should support anything to do with the brand.

I think you can appreciate that doesn't actually made someone a true fan of the movie. I get it though; if you've spent years passionately defending a project from what looks like awful decisions and telling people to "just give it a chance" it's hard to climb down from that position. You'll hold on to the fleeting "good" bits, you'll hope that somehow the next one will magically fix all the problems and redeem the underlying promise you feel is there. Clearly this did not work.

Here is a novel idea maybe things can be subjective like what makes tmnt great is it pretty expensive, so for some what makes tmnt is different from others, I enjoyed the first movie I know that not everyone did but what really made the movie bad was the toxic fans who just can't grasp that others might think differently.

Y'see that was one of things that really ticked me off particularly during the build up to the 2014 movie. If the movie wasn't good it was the fans fault.

If there was this big majority of people who sincerely loved the movie then how could us curmudgeons on a message board spoil that?

We were blamed for actual problems with the making the movie which is bulls**t.There were re-writes and shifting of what the movie was supposed to be during production before Bay decided he didn't like Leibesman's first cut and ordered more than half of the movie re-written and re-shot. We didn't make any of that happen and the impression I get is that since they were changing so much stuff anyway they thought that they might as well throw in one or two things fans wanted. If not for us we would likely gotten aliens, William Fichtner as Shredder and a whole bunch of other crap. I think we did the movie a service.

I really believe that if they released out of the shadows first it would have done much better, it was a much better film, it was closer to the source. I honestly enjoyed it and it sucks I don't get to see what happens next.

But I am excited to see what they have in store for us in the next movie

Hard to say.

Praising it for being "true to the source" sounds hollow when you spent most of the the run up and aftermath of the first movie hyping the need for reinvention. There's nothing as bad as taking out the whole backstory and just having Splinter learning ninjitsu from a book and certainly the shock of those designs died down by 2016.

Still there's a lot of the same problems as the first, some have gotten worse. Clearly Nemec and Applebaum still want to write Mission Impossible and want to have characters exposition over and over to each other convoluted explanations for things that don't need it while not bothering explaining things that need explaining.

They blew Shredder, Bebop, Rocksteady and the Techndrome - I appreciate budget meant that we couldn't see a proper Dimension-X invasion but no one made them go for this everything including the kitchen sink approach. Considering there would never me a third movie it's debatable but it wouldn't have been better creatively to have left off the Dimension-X stuff for another day and just focus on Shredder commanding Bebop and Rocksteady?

That's basically the thing that probably doomed Out Of The Shadows with it's most crucial audience. The "just turn your brain off" crowd. At some point we needed to see the turtles and the villains properly fight each other. While it was it a bit too Bay-like for me I can appreciate why some people like the Splinter/Shredder fight and the Snow Chase scenes from the first Platinum Dunes. I'd come to terms that these TMNT are more brawler than martial artists but Out Of The Shadows we got lame retreads of the first movie's action set pieces with most of the fighting taken out. How was that going to entertain anyone?

[samxsteal]

You're a very, very angry individual.
Nah I'm a pretty easy going guy I could give two $h!t how you fee. but the fact that I know people you and your ilk pushed off this site. And you sit there like you're some amazing fan and the picture of what a fan should be gtfo, lol but again you can do you

Just don't think anyone should take anything you say with any merit.

I was being flippant but there clearly is not a majority that love the Platinum Dunes movies. If there was the series would not have tanked.
Never said their was but their we're enough to enjoy it. And enough that a bunch of people wanted to go somewhere and discuss how they liked it and get excite...... .and sadly...... This was not that place much to toxic.


Honestly most of the people on here that were not very obvious plants that loved the movies when pressed admitted they were not really good but they liked them because it was TMNT and as fans they feel they should support anything to do with the brand.that's completely out of context..... Smh yes I can find entertainment in everything turtles even the Christmas specials because I can, doesn't mean I'm some mindless Fan. Just means I'm not so picky as to turn everything into some sort of picked apart critique. They didn't enjoy this movie because they had to it's not like some.nameless thing forced them to Bo they just liked it lol seriously is that so hard to grasp....


I think you can appreciate that doesn't actually made someone a true fan of the movie. I get it though; if you've spent years passionately defending a project from what looks like awful decisions and telling people to "just give it a chance" it's hard to climb down from that position. You'll hold on to the fleeting "good" bits, you'll hope that somehow the next one will magically fix all the problems and redeem the underlying promise you feel is there. Clearly this did not work.
I love how your so conceded that you really think that why fan like me felt the way they did I couldnt care less how you feel if you dont like it. But when people actively prosecuted those who did and belittled them till the freaking left the site. And all you people could to was cheer and Pat yourselves on the back like you some how did something good..... Like wtf your just being bullies... Like legit that's it.



Y'see that was one of things that really ticked me off particularly during the build up to the 2014 movie. If the movie wasn't good it was the fans fault. if you didn't find enjoyment of something the yes that it your fault.... Was it not what you wanted yes.... But does that make it wrong..... No. It mean you need to out you big person pants of and freaking move on. Watit for something you do enjoy support the stuff you don't but don't ever belittle and make other feel any less of a person for having enjoyed something you didn't that's just utterly ridiculous.

That what alot of the movie fans had issue with they start thread discussing the very thing they liked and it was flooded with "you're wrong" "you're stupid for liking this" etc etc


If there was this big majority of people who sincerely loved the movie then how could us curmudgeons on a message board spoil that?
You didn't spoil their enjoyment of the movie but you did make this place a toxic sespool that non of them wanted to be a part of.........
If you can't discuss freely what enoy her they find it else where and they did.



We were blamed for actual problems with the making the movie which is bulls**t.There were re-writes and shifting of what the movie was supposed to be during production before Bay decided he didn't like Leibesman's first cut and ordered more than half of the movie re-written and re-shot. We didn't make any of that happen and the impression I get is that since they were changing so much stuff anyway they thought that they might as well throw in one or two things fans wanted. If not for us we would likely gotten aliens, William Fichtner as Shredder and a whole bunch of other crap. I think we did the movie a service.
Keep telling yourself your the beacon of the community lol

It's this mentality that lead to this place getting so toxic.

"We did this movie a service" keep telling you're self that if it helps you sleep at night.



Hard to say.
It's really not. substantially oots was a better made film with more accurate representation of the turtle I stand by the actors being quite perfect for the turtles at least


I'm not going to argue with you.

[Leo656]

Actually, no, it's always been toxic since Day One.

There's something about grown-ups who think pajamas with cartoon characters on them are acceptable daytime apparel past a certain age. For SOME reason, they can't seem to communicate above a certain level.

Less to do with specific taste, more a matter of, "You're either a grown-up, OR, you're not."

But no, toxicity isn't new. "It's a feature, not a bug", as the kids like to say.

[samxsteal]

Actually, no, it's always been toxic since Day One.

There's something about grown-ups who think pajamas with cartoon characters on them are acceptable daytime apparel past a certain age. For SOME reason, they can't seem to communicate above a certain level.

Less to do with specific taste, more a matter of, "You're either a grown-up, OR, you're not."

But no, toxicity isn't new. "It's a feature, not a bug", as the kids like to say.

Idk when I first joint there were lots a disagreement but their wasn't the elitest attitude there is now. I got really excited with influx of fan for the 2012 series and movies then it when to **** like legit Facebook groups are easier to handle then of of the crap I've seen on here

I remember a 12 year old being told he was worthless and retarded like really that how you want to do things lol

Like I get it the internet is a trolly place and all I don't mind I've got thick skin I don't give a crap about what some dude says over a keyboard lol but some places deserve more tact and this place is one of them


Will say this the light saber community have by far been the best group/fandom I've ever been a part off super excepting and helpful and app that. More places should be like that

[Leo656]

Will say this the light saber community have by far been the best group/fandom I've ever been a part off super excepting and helpful and app that. More places should be like that

Were I ever in charge of "Things", my first official act would be to abolish all forums and message boards.

Nobody NEEDS to make their opinion about garbage such as cartoons, movies, toys and TV shows public. We got along fine as a species for a long, long time without it. The biggest problem with the internet is that everyone has a voice, but most of them really have nothing relevant to say.

It only exists to give people something to argue about. Not necessary. People got along better when everyone kept their opinion to themselves. That's a fact.

[MikeandRaph87]

Were I ever in charge of "Things", my first official act would be to abolish all forums and message boards.

Nobody NEEDS to make their opinion about garbage such as cartoons, movies, toys and TV shows public. We got along fine as a species for a long, long time without it. The biggest problem with the internet is that everyone has a voice, but most of them really have nothing relevant to say.

It only exists to give people something to argue about. Not necessary. People got along better when everyone kept their opinion to themselves. That's a fact.

You would love the discussion question about educators using social media that I have to create a post for in my class. :twink:

FaceBookItDano!

I gave you yet another hidden DC treasure. Sorry, I don't have much Marvel aside from 31 years worth of Spider-Man mostly in reprint.:P

[Galactus]

Never said their was but their we're enough to enjoy it. And enough that a bunch of people wanted to go somewhere and discuss how they liked it and get excite...... .and sadly...... This was not that place much to toxic.

Did anyone actually get run off the site at all?

I remember the defenders of the 2014 movie being very active in the run up and post release. They disappeared and then came flooding back for when the sequel was getting ready to release. You can see why some people may have thought this was behavior of plants. Even if all of them were 100% genuine fans of the PD movies it hardly seems they were hesitant to come here.

I love how your so conceded that you really think that why fan like me felt the way they did I couldnt care less how you feel if you dont like it. But when people actively prosecuted those who did and belittled them till the freaking left the site. And all you people could to was cheer and Pat yourselves on the back like you some how did something good..... Like wtf your just being bullies... Like legit that's it.

I remember someone who liked the 2014 movie joined a private group specifically for fans of the PD movie assuming it was going to be discussion of the movie where the sequel would go etc but the discussion was bitching about the rest of us and the best ways to get the better of us discussions. And you're talking about bullying behavior. I appreciate that discussion can get way too heated sometimes but it's not as if the pro-PD crowd covered themselves in glory either. This wasn't the behavior of people defending a movie they liked but that of people with something to prove.

And more than enough people who I felt were sincere in the defense of the movie told us they knew it was far from good but liked it just because it was TMNT. I didn't assume anything in that regard.

if you didn't find enjoyment of something the yes that it your fault.... Was it not what you wanted yes.... But does that make it wrong..... No. It mean you need to out you big person pants of and freaking move on. Watit for something you do enjoy support the stuff you don't but don't ever belittle and make other feel any less of a person for having enjoyed something you didn't that's just utterly ridiculous.

I'm fine with sometimes people just liking what they like but by that same token people can dislike what they dislike, that's no ones fault and assumes that our default position is that we should like everything even when there's valid reasons not to.

Keep telling yourself your the beacon of the community lol

It's this mentality that lead to this place getting so toxic.

"We did this movie a service" keep telling you're self that if it helps you sleep at night.

So you would have been fine with something based on the Blue Door script becoming the movie. Turtles being aliens, Col. Schrader etc?

If not then you're welcome because it was largely pressure from fans that got that changed.

It's really not. substantially oots was a better made film with more accurate representation of the turtle I stand by the actors being quite perfect for the turtles at least

Hold on now. For months you and others hyped up the need for the franchise to be re-imagined and re-invented for a new audience you even still have a quote promoting this attitude as your signature but also saying the better movie is the one that stayed faithful to a previous version?

Also this seems to imply that the reason Out Of The Shadows tanked was because people were put off by the previous Platinum Dunes effort...y'know the one you hype up as a good movie and when it made money promoted the idea that the general public loved it.

I'm sure it played a part but honestly I just don't buy that the first reboot movie soured people on the "superior" sequel. The sequel has it's own set of problems that it didn't overcome. To their credit Form and Fuller have at least identified one; they can't just put the cartoon characters and concepts in any ol' movie and expect it to sell on just that basis. Honestly I'm probably one of the kinder "haters" of the PD movies, there's a lot of garbage there but some of it could worked but they just didn't know what to do with this franchise.

[IndigoErth]

I'll have you know they are plush lounge pants and the only daytime wear is if I'm sick and cold. :trazz:

[samxsteal]

Did anyone actually get run off the site at all?
YES yes they did like literally 90+ people lol


I remember the defenders of the 2014 movie being very active in the run up and post release. They disappeared and then came flooding back for when the sequel was getting ready to release. You can see why some people may have thought this was behavior of plants. Even if all of them were 100% genuine fans of the PD movies it hardly seems they were hesitant to come here.
Ok ....... If you can't see why some people would do that....... I just can't help you with that lol
Like I can't to discuss what I was excited about and even can right back to tell everyone that I enjoyed it to be sent with insults and condemnation. So of course a didn't stick around for that I came back for the sequel because I saw a rise in fans coming on her and being excited for the sequel and thought well maybe those who disliked the last one will just move on the let those enjoy what they want and it was kind of them in when right back to the insults and condemnation again so I left again

And I know for a fact I'm not the only want I have been personally thanked by some of those people for creating private groups and Facebook and other socially media groups...


I remember someone who liked the 2014 movie joined a private group specifically for fans of the PD movie assuming it was going to be discussion of the movie where the sequel would go etc but the discussion was bitching about the rest of us and the best ways to get the better of us discussions.
And you're talking about bullying behavior. lol I'm the one who created that group and it's there literally on thread for those who were personally attacked could vent their frustrations. One might I add the group has 90+ members lol

There a different between ranting about people and bulliing like I've seen legit 12;year old betting told they suck at life and we're mentally retarded that way different then


"Oh man these guy just keep tell people they suck wow yeah that guy is kind of a jerk"


You don't see the difference that's on you.


I appreciate that discussion can get way too heated sometimes but acting as the pro-PD crowd hardly covered themselves in glory either. This wasn't the behavior of people defending a movie they liked but that of people with something to prove.

Because you made them feel as if they had to prove themselves because what you've done.... Lol

And the only the people who actually stayed lol keep poking the bear eventually it's going to bite lol


And more than enough people who I felt were sincere in the defense of the movie told us they knew it was far from good but liked it just because it was TMNT. I didn't assume anything in that regard. that
What
You took from it then that's on you I'm telling you for a fact
That most of those who enjoyed it did and you guy just kept twisting btheir word and pretty much forcing them to say yeah fine I liked it only cuz it was tmnt then you were like ha got you...

It like a wrongfully accused person falselly admitting to a crime because they wanted the tortue to stop lol.




I'm fine with sometimes people just liking what they like but by that same token people can dislike what they dislike, that's no ones fault and assumes that our default position is that we should like everything even when there's valid reasons not to.
There is a huge difference between people who disliked something and vehemently attacking those who did like what you disliked .


So you would have been fine with something based on the Blue Door script becoming the movie. Turtles being aliens, Col. Schrader etc?

If not then you're welcome because it was largely pressure from fans that got that changed.
depends on how it was done like I've said before there a multiple different type of turtle out there. If it's done right idk care I'll watch it and if I like it idgaf what you think and if others a like minded idgaf they're allowed to express that with out people attacking them

And passive aggressiveness counts with that



Hold on now. For months you and others hyped up the need for the franchise to be re-imagined and re-invented for a new audience you even still have a quote promoting this attitude as your signature but also saying the better movie is the one that stayed faithful to a previous version?
Your taking think out of context...
Thing can be different and new while also being close to the source
Mean holy hell the mcu is a perfect example of of this. Lol


Also this seems to imply that the reason Out Of The Shadows tanked was because people were put off by the previous Platinum Dunes effort...y'know the one you hype up as a good movie and when it made money promoted the idea that the general public loved it.
Well yeah that was a huge factor again I can still enjoy something and think something is good while also understand that there a substantial group of people who think other wise lol that's freaking life happens all the freaking time.....



I'm sure it played a part but honestly I just don't buy that the first reboot movie soured people on the "superior" sequel. The sequel has it's own set of problems that it didn't overcome. To their credit Form and Fuller have at least identified one; they can't just put the cartoon characters and concepts in any ol' movie and expect it to sell on just that basis. Honestly I'm probably one of the kinder "haters" of the PD movies, there's a lot of garbage there but some of it could worked but they just didn't know what to do with this franchise



I certainly do. Because many of the things that people (who didn't like the first movie) didn't like about the first movie were fixed shredder, ninjas foot, adding more accurate character from the og cartoon, etc etc,

All i am saying is if they release oots first The angry fans would have been less angered because a large majority of there issue with the first weren't present.

[Leo656]

I'll have you know they are plush lounge pants and the only daytime wear is if I'm sick and cold. :trazz:

I can always count on you. :)

I'll write you a pass on account of... y'know... Delaware. :trazz: Wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Although that one Hooters just over the bridge is alright.

[Galactus]

YES yes they did like literally 90+ people lol

Really? "Literally 90+ people"? Plus they can't have been driven off they came back.

lol I'm the one who created that group and it's there literally on thread for those who were personally attacked could vent their frustrations. One might I add the group has 90+ members lol

There a different between ranting about people and bulliing like I've seen legit 12;year old betting told they suck at life and we're mentally retarded that way different then


"Oh man these guy just keep tell people they suck wow yeah that guy is kind of a jerk"


You don't see the difference that's on you.

Well I'll have to take your word for that since I was not a member but a legit fan of the movie did give the impression the discussion in the group was not about the movie but bitching about other members here.

As heated as things got here no one ever came to me privately saying "that samxsteal is a jerk let's talk about ways we can rattle him". I'm going to guess that never happened to anyone.


Because you made them feel as if they had to prove themselves because what you've done.... Lol

That's the way discussions and debate goes. Point/counter-point.

That can be frustrating for someone who doesn't like debate or just likes the movies just "because" hence I got on much better with fans just liked it simply because it was TMNT, they acknowledged it's flaws but they felt the need to support. Personally I can't be that kind of fan, I want to like new TMNT products but the attitude that you'll embrace bad stuff to means you'll probably never get the good stuff again...but I can't really argue with them.

If you're telling me Splinter learning Ninjitsu from a book and weird faces on the turtles are good things then I'm going tell you why they are not.

depends on how it was done like I've said before there a multiple different type of turtle out there. If it's done right idk care I'll watch it and if I like it idgaf what you think and if others a like minded idgaf they're allowed to express that with out people attacking them

Let me put this another way; do you want TMNT to successful? Do you acknowledge that further it has deviated from the core aspects it has struggled. If so you'd want TMNT to stick to works best for it for the sake commercial future.

It's not like every deviation is bad, here's a dirty secret of mine; I quite like Fast Forward but I'm not sure I'd want that to be more than a short one-off diversion. I certainly wouldn't want that to be the basis for other versions particularly an all important movie.

Well yeah that was a huge factor again I can still enjoy something and think something is good while also understand that there a substantial group of people who think other wise lol that's freaking life happens all the freaking time.....


That's not what you were saying in 2014 when the box office came in. You were smugly say the box office that the general public liked the movie and the rest of were all just "haters".

I certainly do. Because many of the things that people (who didn't like the first movie) didn't like about the first movie were fixed shredder, ninjas foot, adding more accurate character from the og cartoon, etc etc,

All i am saying is if they release oots first The angry fans would have been less angered because a large majority of there issue with the first weren't present.

None of things were fixed in anything more than a superficial level.

The issue with the Foot Soldiers were never that they used guns, the comic Foot used guns at times and the 80s show had them using laser guns that was fine. Even though those masks looked stupid that was never the real issue, it was the fact they weren't really ninjas. The Foot in Out Of The Shadows were dressed like ninjas but the never did anything ninja-like. We barely saw them fight or do anything.

The Shredder was definitely not fixed. The main issue was that he wasn't really Oroku Saki, there was no backstory, no motivation to do anything that's pretty much carried on in the sequel. Why is he doing anything especially partnering up with a random alien who he just met.

Yeah his armor from the 2014 movie was over the top, it was the '03 armor but with blades coming out of everywhere but the solution wasn't to strip him of all armor and blades and have him do nothing the whole movie. Heaven help me but I think I prefer the 2014 takes on these characters. At least they had decent fight scenes.

Again, adding in characters is not a fix all to a movie's problems. If it were then Out Of The Shadows would have been a hit for just that. It's certainly no term strategy for a movie series. Since they blew their wad on all the main Fred Wolf characters were would they go with a third anyway. Considering Bebop, Rocksteady, Krang and the Technodrome couldn't sell this movie how would Baxter-fly?

Get a good story, get characters with aid with that and maybe have compelling stories of their own. That means you might have to dig a little deeper into the franchise that just skimming the first few seasons of the 80s cartoon but then it's already been proven these aren't quite the draw people thought.

[IndigoErth]

I can always count on you. :)

I'll write you a pass on account of... y'know... Delaware. :trazz: Wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Although that one Hooters just over the bridge is alright.
lol I dunno, it can't be all bad given the amount of people from Jersey, PA, and Maryland that are always here. (Heck, even the New Yorkers have been noticeably higher number since late last spring and I really want to know why! lol)

[Leo656]

I hear the cigarettes are cheaper? As for me, I got paid to go fake-beat-people-up and then go get drunk at Hooters after, so I had several of the absolute best reasons. :tgrin:

I do miss it though. Small but enthusiastic crowds. Good times.
-------------

I think this place once again needs a common enemy in order to heal the divide. So here goes.

"Speed Racer" was a f*cking masterpiece. And I am not kidding even 1%.

There. Now y'all can go back to hating me instead of each other.

Also, don't question it, unless you want a novel explaining why it was the single best movie of its entire goddamn year. Because I've done it before and I will goddamn do it again.

[Galactus]

I think this place once again needs a common enemy in order to heal the divide. So here goes.

"Speed Racer" was a f*cking masterpiece. And I am not kidding even 1%.

There. Now y'all can go back to hating me instead of each other.

One flaw in your otherwise perfect plan...I kinda like the Speed Racer movie.

[Leo656]

Excellent.

You get to keep your skin. I may only sentence you to eternity mining the Pit of Souls.

I am in a giving vein this day.

[Xav]

Though in the past we've seen actual "talent" masquerade behind alts to rabble-rouse... but that isn't quite the same thing.Really? Like who?

[samxsteal]

Really? "Literally 90+ people"? Plus they can't have been driven off they came back.
Not they didn't that what I'm telling you. Peek hype this place once had over 200 actuve users we have on a good day now 50+ I'm telling you you guys pushed a $h!t ton off people off this site them Pat yourselves on the back like that's a good thing..........


Well I'll have to take your word for that since I was not a member but a legit fan of the movie did give the impression the discussion in the group was not about the movie but bitching about other members here.
Well thats just not the case....


As heated as things got here no one ever came to me privately saying "that samxsteal is a jerk let's talk about ways we can rattle him". I'm going to guess that never happened to anyone. ******** ******** ********....... Why vent at people that you were literally trashing on for like four years straight lol no sh!t you were goin wow this guy is a jerk in private BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE LEGIT DID IT OUT IN THE OPEN. No need to PM when you can very safely just tell that person their a jerk and have six other guy gand up on said person and say the same thing....... I've freaking seen it first had.

Don't try to pull that high and mighty bs because it make you feel better a a person....



That's the way discussions and debate goes. Point/counter-point. their a huge difference between point t counter point when the other side belittle ever point and ignore a person "argument" it not the same holy hell.



That can be frustrating for someone who doesn't like debate or just likes the movies just "because" hence I got on much better with fans just liked it simply because it was TMNT, they acknowledged it's flaws but they felt the need to support. Personally I can't be that kind of fan, I want to like new TMNT products but the attitude that you'll embrace bad stuff to means you'll probably never get the good stuff again...but I can't really argue with them. ever person can acknowledge flaw I freaking acknowledge the flaws but always said that that doesn't stop me from enjoying said more of thinking the positive outweigh the negatives and was still told I was wrong@ for what@ supjective thinking GTFO. I remember plenty of people deeply discribing why the like it and them beening fully ignore and told they only like it because of branding..... That was do. By you people not them...



If you're telling me Splinter learning Ninjitsu from a book and weird faces on the turtles are good things then I'm going tell you why they are not.



Let me put this another way; do you want TMNT to successful? Do you acknowledge that further it has deviated from the core aspects it has struggled. If so you'd want TMNT to stick to works best for it for the sake commercial future.

It's not like every deviation is bad, here's a dirty secret of mine; I quite like Fast Forward but I'm not sure I'd want that to be more than a short one-off diversion. I certainly wouldn't want that to be the basis for other versions particularly an all important movie.




That's not what you were saying in 2014 when the box office came in. You were smugly say the box office that the general public liked the movie and the rest of were all just "haters".



None of things were fixed in anything more than a superficial level.

The issue with the Foot Soldiers were never that they used guns, the comic Foot used guns at times and the 80s show had them using laser guns that was fine. Even though those masks looked stupid that was never the real issue, it was the fact they weren't really ninjas. The Foot in Out Of The Shadows were dressed like ninjas but the never did anything ninja-like. We barely saw them fight or do anything.

The Shredder was definitely not fixed. The main issue was that he wasn't really Oroku Saki, there was no backstory, no motivation to do anything that's pretty much carried on in the sequel. Why is he doing anything especially partnering up with a random alien who he just met.

Yeah his armor from the 2014 movie was over the top, it was the '03 armor but with blades coming out of everywhere but the solution wasn't to strip him of all armor and blades and have him do nothing the whole movie. Heaven help me but I think I prefer the 2014 takes on these characters. At least they had decent fight scenes.

Again, adding in characters is not a fix all to a movie's problems. If it were then Out Of The Shadows would have been a hit for just that. It's certainly no term strategy for a movie series. Since they blew their wad on all the main Fred Wolf characters were would they go with a third anyway. Considering Bebop, Rocksteady, Krang and the Technodrome couldn't sell this movie how would Baxter-fly?

Get a good story, get characters with aid with that and maybe have compelling stories of their own. That means you might have to dig a little deeper into the franchise that just skimming the first few seasons of the 80s cartoon but then it's already been proven these aren't quite the draw people thought.
IM not doing this k you can think what you want IDGAF about your opinion about it. I've heard it add nauseam why you all think you "know" you're right I don't care. I enjoyed the movie, I think oots was better, I think if they had released that one first the whole of "franchise" would be better off that's it. don't agree don't care. and I dont need to go into 15 paragraphs detailing every reason why. I get it you like to make your self seem smarter and Superior to others, so you make long postsll and you have a kind of passive aggressiveness to all your argument and your posts just tire people out....... Good for you. I Just don't care......

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Why are you so aggressively trying to go out of your way to defend two films you enjoyed but other people don't. We're all aloud to like bad movies. Guilty pleasures are a thing. You can state why you like them but there's no need to obsessively try and defend them. Based on all of your posts, these two films seem to be all you talk about TMNT-related and the hostility you're showing towards those that didn't like them kinda proves Andrew's point about his plant view of you. If you "DGAF" as you say to what Galactus feels then there's no need to get into a heated argument. Why waste your energy?

[Vegita-San]

Why are you so aggressively trying to go out of your way to defend two films you enjoyed but other people don't. We're all aloud to like bad movies. Guilty pleasures are a thing. You can state why you like them but there's no need to obsessively try and defend them. Based on all of your posts, these two films seem to be all you talk about TMNT-related and the hostility you're showing towards those that didn't like them kinda proves Andrew's point about his plant view of you. If you "DGAF" as you say to what Galactus feels then there's no need to get into a heated argument. Why waste your energy?

agreed. even if you arn't a plant, the type of attitude shown is just as bad as andrews own attitude of 'anything not mirage sucks'. in that sense, you two would get along well. if on different sides of the coin.

your posts come off as awful angry. if this is how most of the new movie posters acted, even if they where not plants, i'm glad most didn't stick around.

[samxsteal]

Why are you so aggressively trying to go out of your way to defend two films you enjoyed but other people don't. We're all aloud to like bad movies. Guilty pleasures are a thing. You can state why you like them but there's no need to obsessively try and defend them. Based on all of your posts, these two films seem to be all you talk about TMNT-related and the hostility you're showing towards those that didn't like them kinda proves Andrew's point about his plant view of you. If you "DGAF" as you say to what Galactus feels then there's no need to get into a heated argument. Why waste your energy?
I'm not aggressively defending the movies in aggressively defending apersons right to be on these forums to discuss something they enjoy with out being active hurassed and belittled for having that opinion, that's the whole point.

And these guys feel like they have the right to belittle others and they're emboldened by people especially when people defend them as if insulting others because the liked a movie...

I part on the movie people because that what interests me most I used to post on the show thread for the 2004, 2012shows, I don't even want to see what kind of sespool the new show thread is providing to this forum, but I like movies I like discussing movies much more then shows so this I prefer to pay in the movie section. And even though all the crap I went through form the last movie I met alot nice people who were eventually forces off of these forms fire to they're opinion , but I hoping people can be a little more civilized this time around but if this thread had any bearing my hope are pretty much dashed which suck and really is a shame... But I guess I'll have to sick to Facebook instead.

My "hostility" is because these people send to think it's a great idea to proactively label possible new fans as plants just because they might join before a movie releases because I guess it's to much of a least to think fan might get excited and find a forum to post about their excitement.

It's just one big inside joke to them and just enables this nasty elitist mentality.


I only say Idgaf because this guy has repeated add nauseam some the 2014 movie was released I don't need to hear it a thousandth time, and if already spent my time and energy explaining my side to have it completely dismissed and boiled down in his mindto oh it's just the that why i like it, and thats just not the case.

[Andrew NDB]

Why are you so aggressively trying to go out of your way to defend two films you enjoyed but other people don't. We're all aloud to like bad movies. Guilty pleasures are a thing. You can state why you like them but there's no need to obsessively try and defend them. Based on all of your posts, these two films seem to be all you talk about TMNT-related and the hostility you're showing towards those that didn't like them kinda proves Andrew's point about his plant view of you. If you "DGAF" as you say to what Galactus feels then there's no need to get into a heated argument. Why waste your energy?

Only one reason.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Biology/imgbio/treecycle.png

[samxsteal]

agreed. even if you arn't a plant, the type of attitude shown is just as bad as andrews own attitude of 'anything not mirage sucks'. in that sense, you two would get along well. if on different sides of the coin.

your posts come off as awful angry. if this is how most of the new movie posters acted, even if they where not plants, i'm glad most didn't stick around.

I am angry and right fully so because they can Passive aggressively act like tools and push people off the forums and get cheered on as if what they're doing is a good thing... Lol that's just ridiculous.

No the fans of the movie were fine until the constant insults and passagressive assaults thrown their way. Lol

I mean I guess people on this forum just except it as the norm but that freaking sucks for newer fans. Like I mentioned in an other post I don't even want to think about how rise fans are being treated...


Movie fan we're pretty content nice people untill people kept shouting them down and accosting them.

Legit a movie fan who was 12 was told he was a waste of breath should top breathing and told he was mentally retarded that kid was then banned because to stuck up for himself then said somethings in anger after being perfectly peaceful up till that point

Yeah on somehow the toxic one

Then Andrew gets to freaking keep poking fun at all the "plants" he ousted bull crap........

[samxsteal]

Only one reason.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Biology/imgbio/treecycle.png

And the dude keeps proving my point and you keep enabling it lol

Smh

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So, we're not gonna hold hands and sing Kumbaya?

Koombaeyah?

Cumbayah?

Fvck it, we're not gonna sing Imagine?

[d_osborn]

Has anyone made a "green thumb" joke yet?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Has anyone made a "green thumb" joke yet?

Probably back in 2016. :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

And the dude keeps proving my point and you keep enabling it lol

That seems like a disingenuous "lol."

Shouldn't you be saving all this vigor for when the Netflix movie is about to drop? Or the third Bay movie? You're using all your best zingers early, before the buzzer.

[Toxin45]

That seems like a disingenuous "lol."

Shouldn't you be saving all this vigor for when the Netflix movie is about to drop? Or the third Bay movie? You're using all your best zingers early, before the buzzer.

Well not everything has to be ridiculously edgy like the mirage turtles like that cliffhanger in volume 4.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That seems like a disingenuous "lol."

Shouldn't you be saving all this vigor for when the Netflix movie is about to drop? Or the third Bay movie? You're using all your best zingers early, before the buzzer.

Risk is part of the game when Nick pays you to sit in the captain's chair.

[Andrew NDB]

Well not everything has to be ridiculously edgy like the mirage turtles like that cliffhanger in volume 4.

Yep, seeing a distinct trend with you...

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[Vegita-San]

I personally find the plant stuff hilarious.

then again, I joined in 2002....right before 4kids started... hmmmm ;o)

[Toxin45]

Yep, seeing a distinct trend with you...

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Dude just let it go. Is there anything you like other than turtles?

[Andrew NDB]

Dude just let it go. Is there anything you like other than turtles?

That's not even worth humoring a response.

[Toxin45]

That's not even worth humoring a response.

Dude chill out man I'm sure there will be tmnt for adults maybe not like the mirage,Archie, or idw comics but still.

[samxsteal]

That seems like a disingenuous "lol."

Shouldn't you be saving all this vigor for when the Netflix movie is about to drop? Or the third Bay movie? You're using all your best zingers early, before the buzzer.
Heh I'm optimistic about it I hope it turns out ok, I actually enjoy rise for the most part something bug me but I still enjoy it so he's to hoping the Netflix thing works idk not idk

I really am excited about this the last transformers was really good if they do something similar to tmnt if be all for it



Risk is part of the game when Nick pays you to sit in the captain's chair.

Good how I wish I could be paid to rant and rave online lol sadly not. Though I've had a career change after alot was a chef at a medical facility, then movie to work as a "chef" at a correctional facility (over saw the inmates cooking and serving) almost became a correctional officer, almost became a linemen (didn't work out cuz I'm terrified of heights) but now I work with my wife in insurance finally get weekend off and paid vacation woot.

[Andrew NDB]

Dude chill out man I'm sure there will be tmnt for adults maybe not like the mirage,Archie, or idw comics but still.

Nobody is even talking about that. Ease up on the phosphorus.

[Toxin45]

Nobody is even talking about that. Ease up on the phosphorus.

Fine dude.

[AquaParade]

The plant thing is erroneously overblown.

Yeah, I just don't see a reality where a good handful of Nick executives infiltrate this message board to sway our opinions, hypnotizing us like sheep, in order for us to branch out onto other social media networks and sway the tide of opinion, thus monumentally boosting cartoon ratings, toy sales, and box-office income for Nickelodeon TMNT.

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Get off it. Silly as hell.

Yes, I know this type of "marketing" is a real thing in today's day and age, and even works in certain circles, and may have even happened here, a tad, when the PD films came out. We shouldn't accept it, but this is the equivalent of wearing two, layered surgical masks inside your own home, in order to avoid allergies.

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Just....relax. You're scaring the neighbors.

No boogeyman plant is going to come here and change the course of TMNT forever. It will make little difference. People who post here hardly have an influence on the mainstream opinion of TMNT, so I wouldn't worry about the virus spreading too badly. You'll do more damage by making us look like paranoid fools.

My opinion.

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[IndigoErth]

How are we ever going to survive it when real info starts to come out...? :tlol:

(But, given the timing, Turtles drama will at least be a welcome escape from the political sort of campaigning and elections.)

[Andrew NDB]

How are we ever going to survive it when real info starts to come out...? :tlol:

With a few extra cans of pesticide on stand-by.

[samxsteal]

The plant thing is erroneously overblown.

Yeah, I just don't see a reality where a good handful of Nick executives infiltrate this message board to sway our opinions, hypnotizing us like sheep, in order for us to branch out onto other social media networks and sway the tide of opinion, thus monumentally boosting cartoon ratings, toy sales, and box-office income for Nickelodeon TMNT.

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Get off it. Silly as hell.

Yes, I know this type of "marketing" is a real thing in today's day and age, and even works in certain circles, and may have even happened here, a tad, when the PD films came out. We shouldn't accept it, but this is the equivalent of wearing two, layered surgical masks inside your own home, in order to avoid allergies.

http://img4.imagetitan.com/img4/small/19/19_bubble002.jpg (http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=19_bubble002.jpg)

Just....relax. You're scaring the neighbors.

No boogeyman plant is going to come here and change the course of TMNT forever. It will make little difference. People who post here hardly have an influence on the mainstream opinion of TMNT, so I wouldn't worry about the virus spreading too badly. You'll do more damage by making us look like paranoid fools.

My opinion.

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Thank you.... I think lol

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

With a few extra cans of pesticide on stand-by.

Herbicide, Andrew. Herbicide.

Ain't no bugs here.

[samxsteal]

With a few extra cans of pesticide on stand-by.

Like literally five straight years of this crap lol and people wonder why others take a break from this place

[Andrew NDB]

Herbicide, Andrew. Herbicide.

Ain't no bugs here.

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[samxsteal]

Herbicide, Andrew. Herbicide.

Ain't no bugs here.

"Andrew confirmed as the true planet"
Suggest stimulating plant growth using pesticides to reduced harmful bugs and increase productivity

[AquaParade]

"Andrew confirmed as the true planet"
Suggest stimulating plant growth using pesticides to reduced harmful bugs and increase productivity

:lol:

This conversation has peaked.

[samxsteal]

I personally find the plant stuff hilarious.

then again, I joined in 2002....right before 4kids started... hmmmm ;o)

Missed this earlier


#4kids4life

[AquaParade]

I'll never forget when 4Kids TMNT premiered.

I had been experiencing a bit of "TMNT-fallout" the previous year or two and had not been focused on them at all, as I was being introduced to Nu-Metal, skateboarding, thinking I was really cool, and video-games 8)

Something sparked in me one Saturday morning, and I remember thinking something along the lines of:

"hey, I know I heard, a year or two back, that a new TMNT cartoon was being made for Fox. I wonder what's up with that. I kinda miss TMNT. Maybe I'll turn on Fox and see if their giving any clues or maybe previewing the upcoming show." Didn't have much internet access back then. Things were different.

I flipped on the tube, and within 5 minutes of watching, it popped up - a commercial hyping up the premier of the new TMNT cartoon, premiering in just a couple hours! I was meant to turn that television on! Or so I like to think.

I'll never forget seeing a quick clip of Leonardo, back to his brothers saying "be ready for anything", or something like that, as the turtls were surrounded by Foot.
I wasn't prepared for his voice, having read Mirage, but being accustomed to the Fred Wolf and Steve Baron Leonardo voice actors, and it took me aback. I was so surprised to see a more serious take on the TMNT in cartoon form.

Anyways, great fun remembering that show. Maybe someday I'll revisit it.

[samxsteal]

I'll never forget when 4Kids TMNT premiered.

I had been experiencing a bit of "TMNT-fallout" the previous year or two and had not been focused on them at all, as I was being introduced to Nu-Metal, skateboarding, thinking I was really cool, and video-games 8)

Something sparked in me one Saturday morning, and I remember thinking something along the lines of:

"hey, I know I heard, a year or two back, that a new TMNT cartoon was being made for Fox. I wonder what's up with that. I kinda miss TMNT. Maybe I'll turn on Fox and see if their giving any clues or maybe previewing the upcoming show." Didn't have much internet access back then. Things were different.

I flipped on the tube, and within 5 minutes of watching, it popped up - a commercial hyping up the premier of the new TMNT cartoon, premiering in just a couple hours! I was meant to turn that television on! Or so I like to think.

I'll never forget seeing a quick clip of Leonardo, back to his brothers saying "be ready for anything", or something like that, as the turtls were surrounded by Foot.
I wasn't prepared for his voice, having read Mirage, but being accustomed to the Fred Wolf and Steve Baron Leonardo voice actors, and it took me aback. I was so surprised to see a more serious take on the TMNT in cartoon form.

Anyways, great fun remembering that show. Maybe someday I'll revisit it.
It was a great show

[d_osborn]

I really am excited about this the last transformers was really good if they do something similar to tmnt if be all for it

This is pretty much where I'm at. Bumblebee didn't do well commercially, but it was REALLY well received. Hopefully Paramount takes note.

There's gold in them thar hills.

[samxsteal]

This is pretty much where I'm at. Bumblebee didn't do well commercially, but it was REALLY well received. Hopefully Paramount takes note.

There's gold in them thar hills.

Agreed lol like people pretending like everything Paramount movie is some how garbage which it's just ridiculous.

But I'm pretty excited and optimistic

[Andrew NDB]

Agreed lol like people pretending like everything Paramount movie is some how garbage which it's just ridiculous.

So... studio integrity -- particularly that of Paramount -- is important to you?

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[samxsteal]

So... studio integrity -- particularly that of Paramount -- is important to you?

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Ok that was funny
But to be fair alot of the marvel movies were Paramount before marvel studios,
Indiana Jones and the mission impossible movies so it's not like all their stuff is hot garbage.

I'll full admit I lost interest in the transformers movie until. Bumble bee was release I didn't even bother to watch the knights one (recently sold all my tf figure)
Except my jet plane version.

[Galactus]

No boogeyman plant is going to come here and change the course of TMNT forever. It will make little difference. People who post here hardly have an influence on the mainstream opinion of TMNT, so I wouldn't worry about the virus spreading too badly. You'll do more damage by making us look like paranoid fools.

I don't think anyone is worried that studio plants are going to change the course of TMNT forever.

In my experience people who sincerely liked one or both of the Platinum Dunes movies come in two flavours.

1. people who argue TMNT isn't Shakespeare so stop complaining and just turn your brain off and enjoy it. The snow chase scene was amazing etc. This group didn't really post here anyway.

2. Fans that know the they were flawed but really want to like it because it's based on something they love and focus on the bits were okay or could've worked and hope that the sequels will fix that.

I don't really have much of a problem with them. I don't think that's a good way to be a since if you accept anything there's no reason for the power that be to ever give you a good product but I can't really change their minds.

The kind of PD boosters that admittedly ticked me off where the ones that en masse tried quash any criticism of the movies and took whatever positions to shut up people who had valid concerns. The kind of spam we'd get went a little something like this:


"Nothing wrong with making Eric Sacks Shredder? Can't a white guy be Shredder now? He'll have the same origin as Oroku Saki he'll just be adopted or reincarnated. You're all ust haters because you can't accept change."

"Clearly Shredder was supposed to be Japanese all along and the whole Eric Sachs things was just an amazingly played fake that they had planned all along and you're all just idiots for falling for it."

"Okay so the movie was poorly patched together but it's all your faults because you whined like crybabies and made them re-shoot. If they'd stuck with their original Eric Sachs vision things would been better."

"It's 2014, TMNT needs to change and everything has to be dark and edgy and realistic and have a modern story. What do you wanna see the same thing over and over?"

"It's great that Out Of The Shadows is all light and humorous and is basically the cartoon in live action. No one would accept a dark comic book version anyway and you're all idiots for wanting"

You can't really have any good faith discussions with people like that regardless of whether they are paid to say these things or not.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I don't think anyone is worried that studio plants are going to change the course of TMNT forever.

In my experience people who sincerely liked one or both of the Platinum Dunes movies come in two flavours.

1. people who argue TMNT isn't Shakespeare so stop complaining and just turn your brain off and enjoy it. The snow chase scene was amazing etc. This group didn't really post here anyway.

2. Fans that know the they were flawed but really want to like it because it's based on something they love and focus on the bits were okay or could've worked and hope that the sequels will fix that.

I don't really have much of a problem with them. I don't think that's a good way to be a since if you accept anything there's no reason for the power that be to ever give you a good product but I can't really change their minds.

The kind of PD boosters that admittedly ticked me off where the ones that en masse tried quash any criticism of the movies and took whatever positions to shut up people who had valid concerns. The kind of spam we'd get went a little something like this:


"Nothing wrong with making Eric Sacks Shredder? Can't a white guy be Shredder now? He'll have the same origin as Oroku Saki he'll just be adopted or reincarnated. You're all ust haters because you can't accept change."

"Clearly Shredder was supposed to be Japanese all along and the whole Eric Sachs things was just an amazingly played fake that they had planned all along and you're all just idiots for falling for it."

"Okay so the movie was poorly patched together but it's all your faults because you whined like crybabies and made them re-shoot. If they'd stuck with their original Eric Sachs vision things would been better."

"It's 2014, TMNT needs to change and everything has to be dark and edgy and realistic and have a modern story. What do you wanna see the same thing over and over?"

"It's great that Out Of The Shadows is all light and humorous and is basically the cartoon in live action. No one would accept a dark comic book version anyway and you're all idiots for wanting"

You can't really have any good faith discussions with people like that regardless of whether they are paid to say these things or not.

And there are those of us who think the first movie was stupid, but love the second one for the characters it finally brought to the big screen.

Very good and intelligent points you made, though. :) I think some people on these boards are to quick to scream "PLANT!" It's the reason I dismiss several pompous and arrogant posters on here as windbags, and ignore them.

[propguy]

And there are those of us who think the first movie was stupid, but love the second one for the characters it finally brought to the big screen.

Very good and intelligent points you made, though. :) I think some people on these boards are to quick to scream "PLANT!" It's the reason I dismiss several pompous and arrogant posters on here as windbags, and ignore them.


I though OOTS was really fun, like in a "big dumb fun, let's ride with it" kind of time. There were tons of huge plot holes and logic gaps, but I was looking forward to seeing them finish it out with a part 3 where we get to see Baxter mutated and travel to dimension x. Sure, it wouldnt've Been perfect, but a fun time anyways.

Now we are rolling the dice all over again with these same producers AGAIN.

I just hope after this new one comes and goes we don't wish for the good old days of out of the shadows lmao.

We will see, but Hollywood rarely figures out their mistakes...

[TurtleWA]

We will see, but Hollywood rarely figures out their mistakes...

It’s not really even Hollywood. It’s Nickelodeon or Viacom or whatever. And then it’s not like a thousand people at nick/via signing off on projects. It’s what, maybe a couple people that make poor choices. But this is an outsider perspective and I do not actually know how decisions get decided. But when folks say “that’s Hollywood” it sounds like hiding and not taking accountability. I couldn’t get past the CGI turtles. They looked unbelievable imho. Rise and 2012 are more believable as TMNT to me.

It felt like watching someone play a video game. But that is popular nowadays so perhaps that’s how the movies keep getting the ok. Or toys. I do like the figs and did purchase some of those. But I’m not much for watching video games.

[Andrew NDB]

"Nothing wrong with making Eric Sacks Shredder? Can't a white guy be Shredder now? He'll have the same origin as Oroku Saki he'll just be adopted or reincarnated. You're all ust haters because you can't accept change."

"Clearly Shredder was supposed to be Japanese all along and the whole Eric Sachs things was just an amazingly played fake that they had planned all along and you're all just idiots for falling for it."

"Okay so the movie was poorly patched together but it's all your faults because you whined like crybabies and made them re-shoot. If they'd stuck with their original Eric Sachs vision things would been better."

"It's 2014, TMNT needs to change and everything has to be dark and edgy and realistic and have a modern story. What do you wanna see the same thing over and over?"

"It's great that Out Of The Shadows is all light and humorous and is basically the cartoon in live action. No one would accept a dark comic book version anyway and you're all idiots for wanting"

You can't really have any good faith discussions with people like that regardless of whether they are paid to say these things or not.

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[Wildcat]

Seriously has there actually ever been plants? I think studios read forums and comments but I doubt they’d make accounts just to argue on a message board that really only has a handful of consistent users.

I’ve read articles that seemed made up or overly praising of something but those are meant to reach all readers so I can see hype articles being a thing but not really forum plants.

Unless some studio employee just wanted to do it for fun on their own time.

[newfan]

Well, we need there to be something to bring them here in the first place and things are pretty quiet regarding the movie.

[Andrew NDB]

Seriously has there actually ever been plants?

Yep, I've IDed a bunch, earlier in this thread I believe. A group of users who joined all at the same time, immediately became friends with one another (as in went into their control panel and sent each other friend requests, as if to blend in better) and nobody else, and did basically nothing else but flood the movie threads with "PD TMNT 2014 or PD TMNT 2016 is best thing evar, u are old/dumb/wrong if you think otherwise!! etc.."

[IndigoErth]

Seriously has there actually ever been plants? I think studios read forums and comments but I doubt they’d make accounts just to argue on a message board that really only has a handful of consistent users.
Companies legitimately pay people to post fake product reviews, so it wouldn't surprise me and isn't much of a stretch that film companies may do similar leading up to the opening of a film.

Even if it's quiet now, it's still kind of the primary fan site outside of today's social media and very visible. And bound to get a bit busier again with a film.

But like Newfan said, it's too quite and we know basically nothing yet. Really doubt we'll see any of them until we know a lot more and they start getting into promo mode and send them out to try to create some hype.


But will they be new plants, or weeds that presently look dead and spring back to life? If new account confirmations are iffy, that could hold new ones back from trying to get in.

[newfan]

Well just out of curiosity earlier I checked the members list in date order, from the 25th of this month until today there are like over 6 pages of new registrations. Seems a bit more spread out before then, not sure if this just happens sometimes though, I wasn't bored enough to check further back :)

Anyway I doubt they are Plants who know something we don't :)
Just, if these do all get verified and start posting you may see a rise in new people. I think a lot of people never do post though do they?

[AquaParade]

Seriously has there actually ever been plants? I think studios read forums and comments but I doubt they’d make accounts just to argue on a message board that really only has a handful of consistent users.

I’ve read articles that seemed made up or overly praising of something but those are meant to reach all readers so I can see hype articles being a thing but not really forum plants.

Unless some studio employee just wanted to do it for fun on their own time.

I don't really think so. Like, maybe a couple, but not to any great extent. I mean, the idea that they could make an impact by posting on this forum is laughable enough for me to not really give a crap either way.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean, the idea that they could make an impact by posting on this forum is laughable enough for me to not really give a crap either way.

It's not that they honestly believe that they will, it's that they're paid to do a job and so they do it.

Like if I offer to pay you $1,000 to walk up to the head of Nickelodeon and tell them to resign, and you agree to the deal. You don't have to believe it will work... you just have to go and do it, and probably produce some modicum of proof that you did what you said after it's done (links to posts/threads in this case).

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It's not that they honestly believe that they will, it's that they're paid to do a job and so they do it.

Like if I offer to pay you $1,000 to walk up to the head of Nickelodeon and tell them to resign, and you agree to the deal. You don't have to believe it will work... you just have to go and do it, and probably produce some modicum of proof that you did what you said after it's done (links to posts/threads in this case).

Hell, I'll do it for $20 and an iced coffee. I'm a cheap date.

[Andrew NDB]

Hell, I'll do it for $20 and an iced coffee. I'm a cheap date.

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[The Deadman]

Seriously has there actually ever been plants? I think studios read forums and comments but I doubt they’d make accounts just to argue on a message board that really only has a handful of consistent users.

I’ve read articles that seemed made up or overly praising of something but those are meant to reach all readers so I can see hype articles being a thing but not really forum plants.

Unless some studio employee just wanted to do it for fun on their own time.

I dunno, ask Shark Blade.

[MikeandRaph87]

Be careful what you ask about. They could be lurking and could be dangerous.

[Andrew NDB]

Be careful what you ask about. They could be lurking and could be dangerous.

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[Wildcat]

I don’t really put much into join dates even if the users are hyping up whatever it is. I just assume it’s people wanting to get in on the new thing but then don’t care enough to post anymore after the movies pass...or trolls.

Again I very much doubt PD actually pays people to debate with a handful of users that’s probably only like 20-30 people in the entire fan base. Seems like a massive waste of time and money.

Making plant accounts reaches so few fans and accomplishes nothing.

It’s funny picturing a studio meeting with employees and saying something like...ok you guys are in charge of internet comments. Join some fan sites and talk up our movie. If anyone argues with you here’s some examples of comebacks and memes you can use. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

It’s funny picturing a studio meeting with employees and saying something like...ok you guys are in charge of internet comments. Join some fan sites and talk up our movie. If anyone argues with you here’s some examples of comebacks and memes you can use. :lol:

It's not that at all, and not direct employees. It's the marketing division of, say, Paramount, using X amount of their huge marketing budget to hire one of of the dozens or hundreds of little pocket "social media adjuster" outfits out of India or China with the manpower, wherewithal and time to do so. Pennies on the dollar to flood FB pages and such with overly positive stuff to drown out (and hopefully change the minds of) the negative posting people.

It happens all the time. Was it Paramount that got caught up about that a couple years ago? One of the big ones did.

[Wildcat]

It's not that at all, and not direct employees. It's the marketing division of, say, Paramount, using X amount of their huge marketing budget to hire one of of the dozens or hundreds of little pocket "social media adjuster" outfits out of India or China with the manpower, wherewithal and time to do so. Pennies on the dollar to flood FB pages and such with overly positive stuff to drown out (and hopefully change the minds of) the negative posting people.

It happens all the time. Was it Paramount that got caught up about that a couple years ago? One of the big ones did.I don’t know I really do not pay attention to this sort of thing.

I know studios have marketing teams but I still have a hard time seeing them join message boards when stuff like viral hype, commercials, promotions and tie ins actually generates views and customers.

[Andrew NDB]

I don’t know I really do not pay attention to this sort of thing.

I know studios have marketing teams but I still have a hard time seeing them join message boards when stuff like viral hype, commercials, promotions and tie ins actually generates views and customers.

Have you ever played an MMORPG? The thousands of Chinese out there just playing, farming gold (or its equivalent) is pretty staggering. To actual companies that then dole it out to guys like you and I. Same deal.

I befriended a few and made it my mission for a while to get "the true story" out of them for a while.

[Wildcat]

Have you ever played an MMORPG? The thousands of Chinese out there just playing, farming gold (or its equivalent) is pretty staggering. To actual companies that then dole it out to guys like you and I. Same deal.

I befriended a few and made it my mission for a while to get "the true story" out of them for a while.I don’t really play those but I know how they work. What do you mean dole it out to guys like us?

That they’re farming FOR the company? That wouldnt make sense since company runs the game. You mean hire “fake” players to generate more players? Sorry I’m just confused by the wording.

I can see hiring people to get a game world going but I think it’s different for movies. You really cannot convince people to support something.

I can see marketing telling its people to throw in positive comments here and there and hit the Like Button in what’s often a sea of negativity but specifically getting into it on message boards seems pointless.

[Coola Yagami]

Honestly it makes sense we'd be targeted. The Technodrome is the biggest (if not the only) ninja turtles forum. If they were looking to sway the fanbase they would start there. I guess they were expecting a bunch of impressionable kids and not a bunch of bitter old adults, lol.

[IndigoErth]

Plus, even if it's a relatively small amount of active users, the lurkers who don't participate, including those without an account, also see and read all of it. Even if they aren't visible and directly interacting with a suspected "plant" they're still there and still an audience that marketing could be well aware of.

Case in point, right this second...
Currently Active Users: 360 (13 members and 347 guests)

Unless the site is buggy and gives a false count or is really that swamped with bots all the time, there's plenty lurking, be they non-member or just not logged in.



Besides, when a few of them behind the film got butthurt over criticism prior to the release of the 2014 film, do we really think this place wasn't a major player in them reacting like that? Sure, there's social media, but a lot of that also gets buried pretty fast. Here? If people don't like something, lurking filmmakers (and others) can come here and practically read a collective essay on why it sucks. :tlol: Understandably, that's going to sting, but if you're going to look then you have to come in with tough enough skin. (Though, side note, that also makes wonder if they might decide to try to keep it quiet for as long as possible to avoid getting bitten again by the fan base. But I hope not. Hopefully their decisions will be good and minimize that.)

[Prowler]

I don’t know I really do not pay attention to this sort of thing.

I know studios have marketing teams but I still have a hard time seeing them join message boards when stuff like viral hype, commercials, promotions and tie ins actually generates views and customers.

Have you ever played an MMORPG? The thousands of Chinese out there just playing, farming gold (or its equivalent) is pretty staggering. To actual companies that then dole it out to guys like you and I. Same deal.

I befriended a few and made it my mission for a while to get "the true story" out of them for a while.
It's not really surprising. Also notice how most forums nowadays have a few users who seem to only join them to spread specific political agendas? Same deal. Both companies and political parties pay people to do such dirty work for them online.

Just like if you watch a WWE show and happen to catch a member of the audience having a certain reaction people will suspect they might have been a plant.

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Rather peaceful without them running amok around the place.