Rise Official Episode Discussion S1 EP13 The Evil League of Mutants

[Vicky82]

The Evil League of Mutants
Baron Draxum assembles a league of villains to defeat the Turtles.

Here's a clip

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bsyh0umgXiN/

[Kenwatanabesclone]

Everybody interrupting Draxum was getting on my nerves. I just wanted to hear what he had to say.

Edit: This is crazy. What do you think the Foot guys wanted at the end?

[IndigoErth]

Yoshi and Shredder, who?

I mean, I suppose it's an interesting twist out of left field (even if predictable enough that some were suspecting it early on) that Lou Jitsu is the source of the Turtle's human DNA -- I mean I supposed it doesn't have to be from Yoshi -- but to cut Yoshi out all together? That's just kinda sad. A mutated Lou Jitsu could have still be a factor and presence in their lives without replacing Yoshi.

And unless Draxum creates and/or hires himself a Shredder as an underling, or becomes Shredder himself (which sounds overdone), then I guess forget about Shredder, too. (Nope, sorry Shredder RP guy, your hopes may be toast.)

It's surprising that they'd cut Yoshi out like this right after those PD films had done it. (And somehow I have almost a vaguely queasy feeling that some will defend the choice tooth and nail for this series even though it was an unanimously stupid choice for a couple of films that total less than four hours of existence.)



That said... this ep was entertaining enough I guess, but nothing special. Primarily it was decent based on actually trying to reveal and pull together some info actually pertaining to the arc again for once. Though I'm not so sure about a TMNT series using musical numbers to cram a bunch of it in there. The classic montage really seems to suit TMNT better.

I like that they kind of left it off as a small cliff hanger with the Foot at the end. And them actually showing a little bit of power already happening there that they were even capable of bringing Draxum of all people to them. (Now how many weeks or months before we even get back to that?)

Unless Shredder is already there behind the scenes with the Foot and HE wants to work with Draxum, but yeah... about that disconnect since there is no Yoshi and no rivalry or reason for him to want anything to do with a bunch of Turtles who aren't too much of a threat yet as far as his awareness should be concerned. (Well... unless they have ladders and fish to use as weapons. *facepalm*)

[Toxin45]

Yoshi and Shredder, who?

I mean, I suppose it's an interesting twist out of left field (even if predictable enough that some were suspecting it early on) that Lou Jitsu is the source of the Turtle's human DNA -- I mean I supposed it doesn't have to be from Yoshi -- but to cut Yoshi out all together? That's just kinda sad. A mutated Lou Jitsu could have still be a factor and presence in their lives without replacing Yoshi.

And unless Draxum creates and/or hires himself a Shredder as an underling, or becomes Shredder himself (which sounds overdone), then I guess forget about Shredder, too. (Nope, sorry Shredder RP guy, your hopes may be toast.)

It's surprising that they'd cut Yoshi out like this right after those PD films had done it. (And somehow I have almost a vaguely queasy feeling that some will defend the choice tooth and nail for this series even though it was an unanimously stupid choice for a couple of films that total less than four hours of existence.)



That said... this ep was entertaining enough I guess, but nothing special. Primarily it was decent based on actually trying to reveal and pull together some info actually pertaining to the arc again for once. Though I'm not so sure about a TMNT series using musical numbers to cram a bunch of it in there. The classic montage really seems to suit TMNT better.

You haven't proven that dude and it's not confirmed if they forgot about the shredder.

[neatoman]

Alright I haven't watched the episode yet, did Lou mutate into Splinter or not?

[IndigoErth]

You're a plant, aren't ya.


Alright I haven't watched the episode yet, did Lou mutate into Splinter or not?
Considering what he (Splinter) was strongly hinting at and his reaction just as it ended (it was never directly said), it seems far more probable than not.




I'll never quite understand why mutation for most is believed to equal turning into bad people. Maybe the new "league" were crappy people to start with, I dunno, but none were just criminals off the street with any reason to be or go bad. The newest two are, what, two circus performers or something like that? Weird.

[Vicky82]

Pretty good episode, I liked the fight scene with Turtles fighting with ladders and fish as they didn't have there weapons with them (it reminded me of 2012 episode The Pulverizer Returns)

It was pretty obvious that Splinter is Lou Jitsu and even though the turtles have Lou Jitsu DNA they still don't know Splinter is Lou Jitsu, I guess they will find out in the season 1 final.

I liked the little cliffhanger at the end with Footclan joining forces with Baron Draxon.

[oldmanwinters]

Yoshi and Shredder, who?

I mean, I suppose it's an interesting twist out of left field (even if predictable enough that some were suspecting it early on) that Lou Jitsu is the source of the Turtle's human DNA -- I mean I supposed it doesn't have to be from Yoshi -- but to cut Yoshi out all together? That's just kinda sad. A mutated Lou Jitsu could have still be a factor and presence in their lives without replacing Yoshi.

And unless Draxum creates and/or hires himself a Shredder as an underling, or becomes Shredder himself (which sounds overdone), then I guess forget about Shredder, too. (Nope, sorry Shredder RP guy, your hopes may be toast.)

It's surprising that they'd cut Yoshi out like this right after those PD films had done it. (And somehow I have almost a vaguely queasy feeling that some will defend the choice tooth and nail for this series even though it was an unanimously stupid choice for a couple of films that total less than four hours of existence.)



That said... this ep was entertaining enough I guess, but nothing special. Primarily it was decent based on actually trying to reveal and pull together some info actually pertaining to the arc again for once. Though I'm not so sure about a TMNT series using musical numbers to cram a bunch of it in there. The classic montage really seems to suit TMNT better.

I like that they kind of left it off as a small cliff hanger with the Foot at the end. And them actually showing a little bit of power already happening there that they were even capable of bringing Draxum of all people to them. (Now how many weeks or months before we even get back to that?)

Unless Shredder is already there behind the scenes with the Foot and HE wants to work with Draxum, but yeah... about that disconnect since there is no Yoshi and no rivalry or reason for him to want anything to do with a bunch of Turtles who aren't too much of a threat yet as far as his awareness should be concerned. (Well... unless they have ladders and fish to use as weapons. *facepalm*)

I thought about that too. Well, maybe Lou Jitsu was just his "professional name?"

Anyhoo, I loved the episode, and I can respect this as being a "now for something completely different" take on the TMNT franchise.

[IndigoErth]

Like Yoshi fled to New York and became Lou Jitsu? Well that would definitely be an out of left field idea.

[Allio]

Hey man, guy gotta make money.

[oldmanwinters]

Like Yoshi fled to New York and became Lou Jitsu? Well that would definitely be an out of left field idea.

Better strategy than becoming a reclusive hobo living in the sewers!

[matteso586]

Either Lou Jitsu was human Splinter, or he's the silhouette in the end of Bug Busters.

Like the Modern Major General parody.

[victory_angel]

It could be possible that Lou Jitsu was a professional stage name that Hamato Yoshi could have taken. After all, Bruce Lee's true name was actually Lee Jun-fan, and Jackie Chan's true name is Chan Kong-sang.

So Lou Jitsu would have more oomph in it for a person who markets himself as a fighter or an action star than someone with the name of Hamato Yoshi. It's kinda like how Sylvester Stalone is often referred to as Rocky or Rambo because those are the most prominent roles he played.

[Kenwatanabesclone]

It could be possible that Lou Jitsu was a professional stage name that Hamato Yoshi could have taken. After all, Bruce Lee's true name was actually Lee Jun-fan, and Jackie Chan's true name is Chan Kong-sang.

So Lou Jitsu would have more oomph in it for a person who markets himself as a fighter or an action star than someone with the name of Hamato Yoshi. It's kinda like how Sylvester Stalone is often referred to as Rocky or Rambo because those are the most prominent roles he played.

That’s what I was thinking

[VaughnMichael]

I actually liked this episode.
While this isn't my favorite version of TMNT, I think it's headed in an interesting direction and I'm here for the ride.

[newhire13]

I think it’s pretty obvious that Splinter is Luo Jitsu (“Luo Jitsu cares about you in many ways that you will never know.”) They might just not do the Hamato Yoshi identity though. Or it’s his other name before becoming Luo.

And jeez, they’re only 13.

[matteso586]

I think it’s pretty obvious that Splinter is Luo Jitsu (“Luo Jitsu cares about you in many ways that you will never know.”) They might just not do the Hamato Yoshi identity though. Or it’s his other name before becoming Luo.

And jeez, they’re only 13.

I think it's stated that the turtles are different ages from each other. Raph being the eldest. And Mikey being the youngest.

[Vicky82]

I think it’s pretty obvious that Splinter is Luo Jitsu (“Luo Jitsu cares about you in many ways that you will never know.”) They might just not do the Hamato Yoshi identity though. Or it’s his other name before becoming Luo.

And jeez, they’re only 13.

I think it's stated that the turtles are different ages from each other. Raph being the eldest. And Mikey being the youngest.

Yeah Mikey is 13, Leo and Donnie are 14 and Raph is 15.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

That said... this ep was entertaining enough I guess, but nothing special. Primarily it was decent based on actually trying to reveal and pull together some info actually pertaining to the arc again for once. Though I'm not so sure about a TMNT series using musical numbers to cram a bunch of it in there. The classic montage really seems to suit TMNT better.

Pretty much my opinion. While the half-hour episodes show some "plot", there's no real payoff and they're nothing enticing. I'm don't expect the season finale to impress me either, atp.

[victory_angel]

Yeah Mikey is 13, Leo and Donnie are 14 and Raph is 15.

If Leo and Donnie are the same age, doesn't that sort of make them fraternal twins this go round.

[Vicky82]

If Leo and Donnie are the same age, doesn't that sort of make them fraternal twins this go round.

No because their different species (Donnie a Softshell, Leo a Red Ear).

[victory_angel]

No because their different species (Donnie a Softshell, Leo a Red Ear).

But they do both have Lou Jitsu's (supposedly Hamato Yoshi's) DNA flowing through their veins along with mutagen. So while they are two different species, the human DNA and the Mutagen would make them twins of sorts.

If they were both the same species I would say they were identical twins. Since identical twins are one egg and one sperm that splits in two during utero.

Fraternal twins have different characteristics from each other because they are born of two different eggs and sperm. So that could mean in a set of twins, one child was born male, the other female. Or if they are both the same gender, one could be born with one hair color or eye color, and the other with different hair and eye color. Basically one has different genetic information than the other.

[IndigoErth]

Technically, in that case, on the human side that would make them quadruplets since they got that part at the same time. Though mutation isn't birth and if their ages vary than it already did as regular turtles.

[victory_angel]

Technically, in that case, on the human side that would make them quadruplets since they got that part at the same time. Though mutation isn't birth and if their ages vary than it already did as regular turtles.

Raph was likely a week old at least as a turtle, or whatever would have made him the equivalent of a 2-year-old in Turtle years. Both Donnie and Leo are 14 years old so they would both be at least a few days old or whatever would be the equivalent to a 1-year-old in Turtle years. And Mikey is 13 so he had to have been newly hatched when their mutation happened since both Hugin and Munin were saying it was 13 years since that very day the turtles were mutated.

[Kit31]

Did anyone catch the 2012 reference when Leo says Splinter is "just a rat" and then goes on to say "We need a tiger" when Splinter refuses to physically train them. I didn't catch it the first time around. lol Anyway, it's clearly an inside joke since Eric Bauza voices both Splinter in this show and Tiger Claw in 2012. :lol:

[Leofan26]

22 episodes seem to be the better way to go with this series as I've been enjoying these specials more than the 15 minute ones, hopefully we get back to this plot soon as the up coming episode spoilers sound awful in my opinion. It looks like we might be setting up for Shredder soon, that ending is a dead give away for him, I think I have some sort of an idea how Shredder will come into the picture while keeping it different from the other shows. I don't know why Donnie refuses to accept Leo being right at stuff still after the last insadent he was, what's wrong? Denial Donnie?

Over all, enjoyable.

[IndigoErth]

Super incredibly amazingly important question.

If Hypo was going to make the school disappear forever, but April and Mayhem pulled a fast one on him and made him disappear to wherever it was that the magic top hats were going to send the school...

https://i.imgur.com/6onv90V.jpg

...how the heck did he get back home, where Draxam summoned him from?

(From Evil League ep)
https://i.imgur.com/IHw3ZoL.jpg

And side note, it's definitely his home stage... :tconfuse:

(From Newsworthy)
https://i.imgur.com/WHmL87G.jpg

[PApagreg]

So yeah this is pretty much the episode that made me gain interest in this show again or at least the clips. I sort of stopped watching after the wrestling episode but came back when I saw the ladder scene and said to myself "oh S$%% this is basically a Trigger anime". So yeah this episode was super awesome and is pretty much the most popular when it comes to social media.

Also surprised no one in this thread talked about the Model Modern Major General homage

[Powder]

You DEF can feel the trigger influence in this series, yeah. Big part of the charm, at least for me.