More sexual assault alligations for Bryan Singer

[Autbot_Benz]

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...ent=edit-promo

Its a long article long story short Singer likes Minors 13-14 year olds.

[IndigoErth]

Bad link. But that's nasty. :(


Is the article this one? https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/03/bryan-singers-accusers-speak-out/580462/

Skimmed through it... caught Brad Renfro's name. He always did seem slightly...off maybe? Maybe we finally know why. :( God, who else did this guy abuse.

[Autbot_Benz]

Bad link. But that's nasty. :(


Is the article this one? https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/03/bryan-singers-accusers-speak-out/580462/

Skimmed through it... caught Bran Renfro's name. He always did seem slightly...off maybe? Maybe we finally know why. :( God, who else did this guy abuse.

ya that's the same article

[Leo656]

What a piece of sh*t.

It's a shame, he's always been pretty good at directing, but apparently he's always been like this. Gross.

I always knew that he had huge coke and crystal meth problems, and that he liked to "party" with guys who were not "quite" of age yet; none of that was ever a secret, but a lot of people assumed or heard that it was consensual, and/or that the kids weren't THAT young. Like I knew he f*cked 16-year olds, which is questionable but "sh*t happens"; I'd never heard about him giving coke and meth to 13-year olds and promising them parts in his movies.

It all makes sense in hindsight, and he's clearly horrible, but man. That's f*cked up.
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This brings me back to a conversation I've had plenty of times, with plenty of people, about "at what price, fortune and glory?" and why ANY parent would ever allow their kid to be in the entertainment industry, knowing that people like this not only exist, but are The Rule and not the exception. I don't and never will have kids, but if I did, no amount of begging would make me let them anywhere near "The Business."

My sister often said that she'd love it if her daughter had "talent", so she could go to Hollywood, get rich and famous, and take care of her forever. I countered that with the fact that almost 100% of child entertainers are raped, abused, given drugs, and are completely ruined by having been in the business, and how could any parent with a conscience abandon their child to that kind of life? It's completely selfish and irresponsible.

"Well, you just have to try and stay involved and hope it doesn't happen." Bullsh*t, it's going to happen. Everyone from Shirley Temple to Alyssa Milano was raped/molested, it's the entire reason Hollywood wants to make so many movies and TV shows starring kids; because they want to f*ck them. It's completely transparent, yet after all these decades people still want to pretend it only happens "sometimes"? Yes, 99% of the time is still, technically, "only sometimes", but for F*CK'S sake, it's not even worth taking a risk.

I don't care if my hypothetical kids hated me for "ruining their dreams". As I've told many people, if my kid ever wanted to be an entertainer, I would sit them down and say, "When you're 18, you can chase whatever dreams you want, but until then, it's my job to keep you safe. Every kid in the entertainment business gets raped and hooked on drugs and I'm absolutely not going to look the other way and let that happen to you. I'm sure you're upset, but when you're older you'll thank me."

People still give me sh*t about that. "They'll hate you! You'd be ruining their lives in a different way!" Good, fine. It's a lot better a kid tells their therapist about their parents who didn't let them run off to Hollywood, rather than about how Bryan Singer raped them and nobody did anything about it. Isn't it? You're their parent, not their friend. Anyone who would let their kids anywhere near the industry knowing predators operate openly and with impunity needs to be locked up too, as far as I'm concerned.

This sh*t is gross.

[Papenbrook]

I couldn't agree more, Leo.

This is disgustingly immoral. I ... just can't fathom why anyone would put children through all of those abuses.

My thoughts are with the victims.

[IndigoErth]

Likewise, I'd be doing the same. Maybe not quite in those raw details, but if they're interested in film or whatever then they can go to college for it. And hopefully develop an appreciation for it as an art form and want to be there for the right reasons. Not "I wanna be rich and famous because I'm stuck on the unrealistic fantasy of it like everyone else."

Though the parents who put their kids in it are probably themselves still stuck on that fantasy...


It's pretty messed up when you find yourself looking through the IMDB filmography of someone like this hoping there are no shared projects with anyone you like in particular... :ohwell: (Luckily no.) Feel bad for Brad Renfro though. Wasn't ever into him, but I do recall him as one of those guys in Bop and similar magazines back in the day when my generation was buying them... Too sad.

[Krutch]

I actually credit Singer for being the filmmaker that got me into filmmaking.

When I was younger, I'd watch that first X-Men movie on VHS all the time and after the credits there was a small behind the scenes featurette. It completely captured my imagination and charted the way for my career. Most of his movies I actually love. I mean, not whateverthehell Jack the Giant Slayer was, but still - most of his movies are very well crafted.

To hear all this come out is just... gross.

I mean luckily I'm the kind of guy who can separate art from the artist, but still... I think some jail time is in order.

[Andrew NDB]

Lock him up! That fu**!

[Coola Yagami]

I had no idea this is how deep the rabbit hole went. So if we crack down on these people with extreme prejudice... would that be the end of Hollywood? Like no more tv shows, series and movies? Possibly no more cartoons either?

[IndigoErth]

Well not everybody interested in those industries is a wannabe child raping monster. Still plenty to keep it rolling. Though maybe trying to clean up it's act might help other more deserving talent get more work opportunities.

[Papenbrook]

Well not everybody interested in those industries is a wannabe child raping monster. Still plenty to keep it rolling. Though maybe trying to clean up it's act might help other more deserving talent get more work opportunities.

That will never happen.

There's too much cronyism, nepotism, and all-around elitism to even consider that option.

[Krutch]

That will never happen.

There's too much cronyism, nepotism, and all-around elitism to even consider that option.
It can happen, but it ain't gonna be a lightswitch. Give it another 100 years and we might be somewhere.

[Autbot_Benz]

Singer still gets to direct Red Sonja even after all this abuse stuff

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/bryan-singer-keep-red-sonja-directing-gig-new-accusers-speak-1178785

[Leo656]

It can happen, but it ain't gonna be a lightswitch. Give it another 100 years and we might be somewhere.

You have a very optimistic view of humanity. :lol: It's already been 100 years since The Biz was a thing and we're only now seeing the tiniest sliver of "progress". I figure in another hundred years, we won't have made any progress insofar as rich, powerful people being rapey pedos, BUT, we'll have made a lot of progress towards replacing actors who say "No" with robots.

I mean, the entertainment industry is relatively new. But powerful people using their clout to rape women and kids is a "tradition" that goes back thousands of years.

My late father, a "professional" drug abuser with many decades of "experience" had a saying about people's bad behavior, and especially when they talk about cleaning up their act: "NOBODY gets 'clean', people just get discreet." That's what I've always seen as well.

It could help if we started out by holding people like Singer to the exact same standards we hold "normal" people who are caught (or accused of) doing the same exact thing, but we all know that isn't gonna happen because we think celebrities are heroes, somehow, so I really don't know how we're ever gonna see any real change.

Like many things, it's possible, but collectively we're not interested in making the sacrifices necessary to get us there.
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I love how Singer still gets to direct Red Sonja, and the producer almost word-for-word says, "Bohemian Rhapsody made $800 million dollars, so frankly I don't care if Bryan Singer f*cked an entire junior high school track team, he's good for my bottom line." Gotta admire the f*cking balls, at least. Wow.

This is the sh*t I mean. Sh*t ain't changing.

[Krutch]

You have a very optimistic view of humanity. :lol: Here's the thing - it's either be optimistic or be annoyed.

Yes, very little has changed in the industry but look at todays youth culture. Call them Social Justice Warriors if you want but they're extremely vocal and well intended. They're obsessed with change to the point of nausea. To us older cats, sure, it's annoying and eye rolling most of the time because they haven't really honed their voices and seem pretty aimless or overeactionary. But that generation could very well be the bedrock of society moving forward. Never before has a generation been so proactive with change in a time we can all actually hear each other with the advent of the internet.

I don't think we'll hit Demolition Man utopia anytime soon but in 100 years alot of the old guard will have passed on and that'll be about 3 generations worth "be the change" parenting.

So yeah, call me optimistic or, I don't know, Canadian - but that's my two cents.

[Andrew NDB]

The problem is that the "civil rights movement" never stopped and has no end point. It just keeps going.

Equal rights for women? Great! Yes! Equal rights for gays? Yeah, sure. Redefine gender into 50 genders? #metoo? Ehhhh...

[Vegita-San]

The problem is that the "civil rights movement" never stopped and has no end point. It just keeps going.

Equal rights for women? Great! Yes! Equal rights for gays? Yeah, sure. Redefine gender into 50 genders? #metoo? Ehhhh...

yep. how crazy is too crazy, just to appear progressive? pretty soon it'll be legal to live your life as a clown 24/7. now that is scary. floppy shoes everywhere.

as for hollywood, they are the biggest hypocrites in the world. you can bet your ass they knew something was going on. and did nothing to stop or stall it. as long as the guy was making them money, everything was awesome.

[Krutch]

Equal rights for women? Great! Yes! Equal rights for gays? Yeah, sure. Redefine gender into 50 genders? #metoo? Ehhhh...

yep. how crazy is too crazy, just to appear progressive?To be clear, I'm in total agreement with the both of you. I think this is an instance where they (being the SJW "generation") need to cross the line for a while to know where it is. It's all part of finding your voice. Be outraged at everything until you realize what's worth arguing about and what isn't. It's a work in progress, and it's still in its infancy. But there's hope.

[IndigoErth]

Lock him up! That fu**!
#metoo?
So now we shouldn't lock him up?

Hashtags or not, the guys accusing him of doing these things are still part of the present movement of victims finding a voice.

[Papenbrook]

Bryan Singer is going to receive 40 million+ dollars for his directorial work on Bohemian Rhapsody. (https://www.businessinsider.com/bryan-singer-will-get-40-million-for-bohemian-rhapsody-2019-1)

[Andrew NDB]

So now we shouldn't lock him up?

I'm willing to make a one time exception in his case.

[Papenbrook]

On a more hopeful note:

In light of the Bryan Singer allegations, Marvel seems to be delaying (or cancelling) their upcoming X-Men film. (https://mobile.twitter.com/GraceRandolph/status/1090734387602354177)

[Sumac]

On a more hopeful note:
Yeah, it's totally will help all his victims.
:roll:

[Leo656]

So yeah, call me optimistic or, I don't know, Canadian - but that's my two cents.

That's even worse. Oof.

I suddenly understand a whole lotta stuff. :lol:

[Papenbrook]

Yeah, it's totally will help all his victims.
:roll:


He won't be getting paid or promoted anymore (at least, by Disney).

[Sumac]

He won't be getting paid or promoted anymore (at least, by Disney).
Considering that movie is most likely hot garbage I don't see how it will make a difference.
And what about other people who had worked on it?

[Autbot_Benz]

He won't be getting paid or promoted anymore (at least, by Disney).

Singer was never signed on for Dark Phoenix we get the directorial debut Simon Kinberg blech

[Andrew NDB]

Red Sonja cancelled. Probably.

http://echochamber.online/2019/02/12/the-singer-not-the-red-sonja-warrior-woman-actioner-axed/?fbclid=IwAR2ndDvnQEt6vF5iMEQ6_2LOj1y_CEwrmWfZo0HA NnqvRpFbBY30YY1ZQeU

[Leo656]

Hmm. One of my wife's favorite characters, so that's kind of a bummer. Definitely not a surprise, though.

With a budget that "low" it doesn't sound like it would have aimed very high, anyway. Although it's not like there's a gigantic league of Red Sonja fans. Maybe 10+ years ago when her book was kinda hot. I get that every studio wants its own "Wonder Woman" now but I don't know if they could have done it without coming off like a retread.

Ah well.

[Andrew NDB]

Ian McKellen says Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey sexually abused boys because they were closeted.

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2019/3/ian-mckellen-says-bryan-singer-amp-kevin-spacey-sexually-abused-boys-because-they-were-closeted-gay-men?fbclid=IwAR30rRqFVetzq3VKlViPKr40azV2MbqWflGEF 1UzASyN3le5WItErJNy3Fs

[Prowler]

Man, those are some serious accusations.

Also, what website is that? Is it credible?

[Andrew NDB]

Man, those are some serious accusations.

Also, what website is that? Is it credible?

You want others? It's all over the place now.

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/ian-mckellen-kevin-spacey-bryan-singer-comments-1203153003/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2019/03/01/ian-mckellen-kevin-spacey-bryan-singer-allegations-abuse-closeted-gay/3026010002/

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/03/ian-mckellen-singer-spacey-abuse-gay-closet-1202048146/

[Prowler]

You want others? It's all over the place now.

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/ian-mckellen-kevin-spacey-bryan-singer-comments-1203153003/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2019/03/01/ian-mckellen-kevin-spacey-bryan-singer-allegations-abuse-closeted-gay/3026010002/

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/03/ian-mckellen-singer-spacey-abuse-gay-closet-1202048146/
Ah ok. Sorry for being suspicious, but we live in an era where a lot of misinformation is being spread all over the media, and a lot of that misinformation is by smaller and lesser known media outlets and websites or by places such as Breitbart, so I was wondering if the link you originally shared could be one of those without you knowing it, so I asked just to be sure. Thanks for the links.

[Leo656]

It's a controversial opinion, but I've always wondered about that myself. Like ever since I was a kid, I had the theory that part of the reason why priests were always getting caught with little boys was because they were secretly gay, closeted and self-loathing, and since they weren't "allowed" to just Be Gay, they felt compelled to act out on those urges with the only type of males they would be able to silence and control. I'm sure there are other reasons - most of these people were typically abused as kids, themselves, for one thing - but that theory always made sense to me.

Some people find that theory abhorrent, claiming that it demonizes homosexuals, or at least that's what some people tell me, but the way I see it, it really does more to condemn the environment that forces people into the closet. I know that I have no problem with gay people at all; I just feel like a mixture of persecution and mental illness could be to blame, sometimes. I'm sure there's no one singular reason this happens.

[Voltron]

I'm sure there are other reasons - most of these people were typically abused as kids, themselves, for one thing - but that theory always made sense to me.

since they weren't "allowed" to just Be Gay

I would consider that to be abuse. Demonization from the outset can't be good for a person.

Some people find that theory abhorrent, claiming that it demonizes homosexuals,

I have a lot of friends in the LGBTQ culture. They really dislike the argument that priests are just frustrated homosexuals acting out in a secretive way. Not because it demonizes homosexuality outright, but because it fails to make the distinction between homosexuality and pedophilia.

There's plenty of gay men out there who grew up oppressed that didn't turn out this way. The circumstances of their upbringing were unfortunate, and their family ties have been severed, but it's not as though they feel the need to prey on children to fulfill their sexual desires.

There's a solid argument to be made that this is a great haven for pedophiles rather than homosexuals. The same goes for instances in other professions where men are left alone with children.

It's alarming how often a school has some dark history involving teachers sexually abusing kids. But it's not like I haven't studied under or met teachers who were either closeted or openly gay. And to date I haven't heard anything of them being predators.

So does it demonize homosexuals? I'd say to an extent. The same extent that if boys weren't allowed to date girls when they were younger, they'd turn into pedophile rapists when they get older. A poor upbringing isn't a recipe for a specific kind of mental illness, just a factor in developing it.

Homosexuality isn't considered a mental illness (anymore (to my knowledge)). Pedophilia, however, is definitely viewed as a psychological issue. And very disturbing and dangerous one at that.

[neatoman]

Ian McKellen says Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey sexually abused boys because they were closeted.

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2019/3/ian-mckellen-says-bryan-singer-amp-kevin-spacey-sexually-abused-boys-because-they-were-closeted-gay-men?fbclid=IwAR30rRqFVetzq3VKlViPKr40azV2MbqWflGEF 1UzASyN3le5WItErJNy3Fs

OK, something seems to be wrong with the link, so I'll just assume McKellen's statement doesn't go much deeper than that and that it means "young boys are less likely to out them".

I guess that's possible? But if it was that simple, why not just get male prostitutes who'll likely keep their mouths shut about their clients anyway? I don't see why you have to go after young boys if that's an option.

[ZariusTwo]

Mckellen has apologised

https://twitter.com/IanMcKellen/status/1101741037083455488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1101741037083455488&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.digitalspy.com%2Fshowbiz %2Fa26595050%2Fx-men-ian-mckellen-backlash-kevin-spacey-bryan-singer-abuse-comments%2F

[Voltron]

I'd imagine he would. That's not a great argument to make, and he seems like a decent guy.

[Andrew NDB]

Singer still gets to direct Red Sonja even after all this abuse stuff

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/bryan-singer-keep-red-sonja-directing-gig-new-accusers-speak-1178785

Not anymore! FIRED!

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/fantasy_movies/red_sonja/red-sonja-director-bryan-singer-has-finally-been-removed-from-the-project-following-sexual-abuse-allegations-a167125

[Papenbrook]

It's about time.

What took them so long?

[Leo656]

It's about time.

What took them so long?


To report it? I'm not sure. The Red Sonja movie was cancelled over a month ago. I forget where I read it but it's already old news.

[Prowler]

Who knows how many more sex predators and other type of shady people work for the entertainment industry.

[snake]

I’m convinced that if you’re in the entertainment industry you’ve at least touched and/or raped at least one person- quite possibly a child. It’s like an entrance fee you have to pay.

[Leo656]

There are conspiracy theories that say as much; that it's part of your "initiation" into the Elite Fraternity.

I can believe it. A lot of really famous and successful people quit the business entirely after a very short period of rapid success, and when asked why, they generally give some nondescript answer about "not wanting to make the sacrifices the business demands." Now, with women you can assume on the surface that they mean nudity and/or sex scenes, but it could also mean all the other stuff, like f*cking your bosses and all of the rampant, secret pedo rings. I mean, about 8 or 9 out of every 10 actors who was a "child star" has reported being raped or molested, and those are just the ones we know about, so we have to round those numbers up and assume that it happens 99.9999% of the time. And if it happens that often, then people obviously know about it, and are just looking the other way so as not to disrupt their own star on the rise.

I don't think you're "allowed" to be a good person and participate in the entertainment industry. Ever read "Less Than Zero" and/or "Imperial Bedrooms"? All of that stuff is a thinly-fictionalized version of real-life people and events. That's the sh*t that happens, and it happens every day. That's their "normal". It's gross. They're disgusting people, doing disgusting things, getting paid millions of dollars to play make-believe in between their cocaine orgies and kiddie sex parties.

Why we let them tell us how to vote is something I'll never understand.

[Prowler]

It's really strange how the entertainment industry attracts such people. I guess because it goes hand in hand with doing anything, and I mean ANYTHING, for money and fame?

Also, not entertainment industry, but don't a lot of models have drug or eating disorder problems at some point in their lives? That's another shady industry.

But well, people love celebrities and "everyone" likes to be noticed at some point in their lives. Hence why social media is so popular. Why else would above average looking girls post their selfies and bikini photos all over facebook and instagram? :lol:

They do say never to meet your heroes. But there's famous people that just seem like cool people to hang out with and I'd be really shocked if they turned out to be scumbags. Like, it would shock me if the likes of Stallone, Bill Murray, Tom Hanks or Schwarzenegger turned out to be those types of people.

[snake]

It’s only going to get worse from here on out, too. People outright worship these celebreties. I know this place hates religion, but this is literally what happens when you remove a god from a nation. The people replace that god with all sorts of weird sh*t, and you create the society we have now. A relativistic, immoral, vague, and confusing world.

I swear on my life that I hears someone describe a Kardashian as a “self-made millionare”. That alone just shows the lack of critical thinking people have, especially in regards to looking up to celebrities. You can literally market yourself however you want, and people will believe it. It’s the same thing with any sort of media, and we just keep eating it up. I’m sure as hell guilty of it, but this sort of materialism/Hollywood worship disgusts me on the inside.

[Andrew NDB]

It’s only going to get worse from here on out, too. People outright worship these celebreties. I know this place hates religion, but this is literally what happens when you remove a god from a nation. The people replace that god with all sorts of weird sh*t, and you create the society we have now. A relativistic, immoral, vague, and confusing world.

That's what I was saying in another thread. I'm not religious in the slightest but... yikes, maybe the country as a whole actually does need that crutch? The wheels are coming off.

[Prowler]

It’s only going to get worse from here on out, too. People outright worship these people. I know this place hates religion, but this is literally what happens when you remove a god from a nation. The people replace that god with all sorts of weird sh*t, and you create the society we have now. A relativistic, immoral, vague, and confusing world.

I swear on my life that I hears someone describe a Kardashian as a “self-made millionare”. That alone just shows the lack of critical thinking people have, especially in regards to looking up to celebrities. You can literally market yourself however you want, and people will believe it. It’s the same thing with any sort of media, and we just keep eating it up. I’m sure as hell guilty of it, but this sort of materialism/Hollywood worship disgusts me on the inside.
I don't think religion is related to this. Even religious people worship celebrities, and USA is hardly the best example of people losing faith in God. It's WAY more religious on average than many European countries are. And celebrity worship is a global phenomenon at this point. USA has the strongest entertainment industry, so it might be more apparent there, but trust me when I tell you that in my country our celebrities are quite worshipped as well. Especially considering my country is small(10 million people), which means anyone who is on tv on regular basis will be known by EVERYONE. And if they get a heart attack all of a sudden they'll be checked first at the hospital urgency over regular joes because they're "public figures" :roll:

A nation with a very strong entertainment industry besides USA is Japan, and also Korea. The idol worship in those countries can be a bit creepy and obsessive. Look up into plastic surgery in SK and the effects of k-pop in that.

Kim Kardashian is famous due to what again? I've never understood why she«'s famous. Her father was a famous lawyer, I guess. What exactly propelled her to fame? A stupid sex tape?

[Leo656]

It doesn't shock me at all because the entertainment industry implicitly attracts the mentally ill.

Think about it: Whenever you hear any famous person talk about how they got where they are, and what compelled them to follow this path, they give some version of the "Destined for great things" story. "I knew I was meant for something bigger than just ____." What they're saying without actually speaking the words is, "I always knew I was 'better' than the 9-to-5, 'ordinary' life that most people have to live. I wasn't meant to be a 'lowly' teacher or bartender; I was destined, handpicked by fate to be a world-famous actor/singer/rock star/athlete/etc. I always knew that one day, I would get paid exorbitant amounts of money for doing relatively nothing, and have my name be on everyone's lips and minds."

They're not necessarily TRYING to sound like a narcissist, but it is indeed a sign of narcissistic personality disorder. "I'm better than Normal People. I shouldn't have to work hard, like at a 'Normal' job. Rules shouldn't apply to me. Everyone needs to pay attention to me." That's what "I was destined for Greater Things" is code for. Every celebrity is by definition a narcissist, because they actively pursued a lifestyle that would make them forever be the center of attention, and their entire job is maintaining that level of attention, and once you're out of sight you may as well kill yourself because you only have value so long as everyone is talking about you.

When you approach the entertainment industry with the base foundation of, "Everyone involved in it is mentally ill by default (and Narcissism is only the START of it; most of these people are a stew of neuroses even before they get famous)," a lot of things start to make a lot more sense.

And then, when you look closely at the type of people who worship those same celebrities... you see a lot of the same patterns. Sickness attracts sickness.
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And no, snake is right. We were discussing this in another thread a few weeks ago; people only behave themselves because they fear punishment. Some people don't fear any man-made punishment but they're terrified of "God's" wrath. The further any society gets from being "god-fearing", the faster it spirals down the drain, because people will always revert to sociopathic tendencies when all threats of repercussions are removed. That's just the way human nature works. He's dead on about that.

[snake]

@Prowler, who do you think spread this cancer? Us. Every issue with western civilization as a whole is literally our own fault, and it’s spreading to the rest of the world. It sucks that capitalism is the only option we have at the moment, because it breeds these issues. Don’t get me wrong, I hate communism, and you’re retarded if you think there’s any way communism could work in a non-hypothetical world, but is this really the best we could come up with? People are so f*cking stupid, dude- and the reward system we have set up for stupid people tricks them into thinking they’re “above” everyone else. Look at pop culture; Rick and Morty, Marvel, Armchair-Politics, opinions taking precidence over facts. It’s gross, and is all designed to make the average person feel more “in-the-know” than the other cretins because they know who goddamned Plastic Man is.

No wonder suicide rates are high as f*ck. We basically live in a world that says that there is absolutely, positively no meaning to life at all- for cool points, or something. Real f*cking edgy, man.

[Prowler]

It doesn't shock me at all because the entertainment industry implicitly attracts the mentally ill.

Think about it: Whenever you hear any famous person talk about how they got where they are, and what compelled them to follow this path, they give some version of the "Destined for great things" story. "I knew I was meant for something bigger than just ____." What they're saying without actually speaking the words is, "I always knew I was 'better' than the 9-to-5, 'ordinary' life that most people have to live. I wasn't meant to be a 'lowly' teacher or bartender; I was destined, handpicked by fate to be a world-famous actor/singer/rock star/athlete/etc. I always knew that one day, I would get paid exorbitant amounts of money for doing relatively nothing, and have my name be on everyone's lips and minds."

They're not necessarily TRYING to sound like a narcissist, but it is indeed a sign of narcissistic personality disorder. "I'm better than Normal People. I shouldn't have to work hard, like at a 'Normal' job. Rules shouldn't apply to me. Everyone needs to pay attention to me." That's what "I was destined for Greater Things" is code for. Every celebrity is by definition a narcissist, because they actively pursued a lifestyle that would make them forever be the center of attention, and their entire job is maintaining that level of attention, and once you're out of sight you may as well kill yourself because you only have value so long as everyone is talking about you.

When you approach the entertainment industry with the base foundation of, "Everyone involved in it is mentally ill by default (and Narcissism is only the START of it; most of these people are a stew of neuroses even before they get famous)," a lot of things start to make a lot more sense.

And then, when you look closely at the type of people who worship those same celebrities... you see a lot of the same patterns. Sickness attracts
sickness.

And no, snake is right. We were discussing this in another thread a few weeks ago; people only behave themselves because they fear punishment. Some people don't fear any man-made punishment but they're terrified of "God's" wrath. The further any society gets from being "god-fearing", the faster it spirals down the drain, because people will always revert to sociopathic tendencies when all threats of repercussions are removed. That's just the way human nature works. He's dead on about that.


Good points. I mean, becoming a celebrity implies losing your privacy just like the "fame has a price" saying says. How many people do you know that would like to be bothered by fans and papparazis on their way to their local supermarket for grocery shopping on a Saturday afternoon? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'm a rather reserved person who likes to mind their own business. This proves your point about narcissism. You have to be rather charismatic, self-confident social in order to become a successful celebrity. There don't seem to be many shy celebrities or celebrities who lack charisma. There's some exceptions such as Bill Gates, for example. For such a filthy rich guy he sure seems like a very mundane human being. There's stories of him visiting museums and signing the guestbook or whatever and workers being taken aback because they hadn't initially recognised him. :lol:

As for the religion thing, I dunno man, I see where you're coming from, but then again, look at the problems that a lot of the very religious countries have, especially when they let it influence their politics and constitution. While a lot of European countries are less and less religious nowadays and remain stable and normal. I think increased wealth and education correlates strongly with people caring less about religion.

I don't think being religious or lacking a belief in some sort of God or superior life form means much. If a person is sh*tty they'll just be sh*tty, regardless of being very religious or Atheists. Most people aren't aware of their sh*tty behaviour or think it's justified, anyway.

[Prowler]

@Prowler, who do you think spread this cancer? Us. Every issue with western civilization as a whole is literally our own fault, and it’s spreading to the rest of the world. It sucks that capitalism is the only option we have at the moment, because it breeds these issues. Don’t get me wrong, I hate communism, and you’re retarded if you think there’s any way communism could work in a non-hypothetical world, but is this really the best we could come up with? People are so f*cking stupid, dude- and the reward system we have set up for stupid people tricks them into thinking they’re “above” everyone else. Look at pop culture; Rick and Morty, Marvel, Armchair-Politics, opinions taking precidence over facts. It’s gross, and is all designed to make the average person feel more “in-the-know” than the other cretins because they know who goddamned Plastic Man is.

No wonder suicide rates are high as f*ck. We basically live in a world that says that there is absolutely, positively no meaning to life at all- for cool points, or something. Real f*cking edgy, man.
While USA does have the largest entertainment industry on Earth and created the concept of celebrity as we know it today, if it hadn't been for you someone else would have eventually done it. Plus, movies already were made in Europe and Japan before WW2, and also theatre was a popular form of entertainment in Europe before the cinema, the radio and tvs were things. So it's not like there weren't famous actors, authors and poets already.

So nah, as much as my European blood loves to give USA sh*t when it deserves it, I wouldn't really blame you guys for the celebrity worship cancer. Your media's influence can be rather toxic when it comes to identity politics, since you cannot just apply things that fit the American context to completely different societies and countries with completely different history. I can tell you that Europeans in general, find this whole race thing and identity politics in the American media pretty perplexing, for instance. And when people influenced by the American media or published American authors come and try to implement the same concepts and ideas in European countries it doesn't go very well and leaves us confused/perplexed and thinking they're idiots.

[Andrew NDB]

I think it comes down to shame. We don't really have that anymore... and we don't self-police each other anymore in that way.

[Prowler]

I think it comes down to shame. We don't really have that anymore... and we don't self-police each other anymore in that way.

Social media doesn't help either. The things people will do just to get likes or for their videos and photos to go viral...

[Sumac]

Money and power. Also, feeling of self-importance.
Some can escape delusions of grandeur, some not.

[Andrew NDB]

Social media doesn't help either. The things people will do just to get likes or for their videos and photos to go viral...

Money and power. Also, feeling of self-importance.
Some can escape delusions of grandeur, some not.

Both true.

[Andrew NDB]

Sophie Turner said her time working with Bryan Singer was "unpleasant."

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-features/game-of-thrones-cover-story-maisie-williams-sophie-turner-812203/

[Andrew NDB]

Singer weaseled himself out of things again. This time he's paying $150,000 to make the accuser go away:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/bryan-singer-to-pay-dollar150000-to-settle-rape-accusation/ar-AACN815?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=UP97DHP

[Hamato Yoshi]

There are decent people in showbiz too : Love Hewitt , Lesley Gore (RIP) , Chris Walken......and many more. But yeah , Why be in show biz if you dont want attention ?

10-12 hours filming per day but they get paid well though

[Papenbrook]

Jill Soloway will now direct the Red Sonja movie. (https://deadline.com/2019/06/jill-soloway-red-sonja-new-director-transparent-creator-replace-bryan-singer-millennium-films-reboot-1202635998/)

Cheers! :D

[Papenbrook]

It seems that Bryan Singer was accused of deplorable behavior yet again. This time, it was on the set of X2. (https://www.indiewire.com/2020/07/x-men-cast-threatened-quit-bryan-singer-stunt-injury-1234577280/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)

[Hamato Yoshi]

"Like, it would shock me if the likes of Stallone, Bill Murray, Tom Hanks or Schwarzenegger turned out to be those types of people"

Stallone

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/10/31/sylvester-stallone-wont-be-prosecuted-in-nearly-30-year-old-rape-case/

Hanks (Epstein ?)
Arnold (groping , also incident on T2 set)

[Coola Yagami]

"Like, it would shock me if the likes of Stallone, Bill Murray, Tom Hanks or Schwarzenegger turned out to be those types of people"

Stallone

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/10/31/sylvester-stallone-wont-be-prosecuted-in-nearly-30-year-old-rape-case/

Hanks (Epstein ?)
Arnold (groping , also incident on T2 set)

What incident on T2 set?

[Hamato Yoshi]

I know what i read and there was an incident on T2 set where he harassed a woman and bragged about it , considering multiple cases of groping its not far fetched at all

https://www.nickiswift.com/89472/double-life-arnold-schwarzenegger/

Batman narrator : "But wait , the worse is yet to come !" :

Did Locklear and Sheen molest Heathers daughter while high on drugs , is this why Heather has been out of control last 10 yrs or so......this supposedly happened during SC , 1999-01

Did Spelling molest Heather so she could boost her career , thats another rumor (speaking of producers taking advantage : Bond girl Bouquet supposedly blew Broccoli to get the role as Bond girl , thats another specific rumor , its not just random Bond girl #123......i think it couldve happened)

Supposedly a cleaning woman saw kiddie porn on Gary Goddards computer , both him and Michael Jackson seemed to be into young boys , Jackson seemed to lose interest in a boy when they turned 13 , wouldnt hang out with them anymore

Joan Collins wrote about me too in her book in '78 but nobody cared then

[Papenbrook]

It looks like he's making his comeback … (https://www.thedailybeast.com/disgraced-director-bryan-singer-planning-comeback-documentary)

Gross …

[IMJ]

It looks like he's making his comeback … (https://www.thedailybeast.com/disgraced-director-bryan-singer-planning-comeback-documentary)

Gross …

The only people who get truly cancelled are centered or right of center people who speak their mind or make innocuous verbal mistakes. But lefties who actually go out and burn down buildings, molest children, cause physical harm - they get "fake cancelled" or not cancelled at all. And the final piece of the puzzle to that equation is that the people largely doing the "social cancelling" are the loud people on the left while other reasonable people either just resolve a problem or move on.

[Coola Yagami]

The only people who get truly cancelled are centered or right of center people who speak their mind or make innocuous verbal mistakes. But lefties who actually go out and burn down buildings, molest children, cause physical harm - they get "fake cancelled" or not cancelled at all. And the final piece of the puzzle to that equation is that the people largely doing the "social cancelling" are the loud people on the left while other reasonable people either just resolve a problem or move on.

I mean, just look at leftist hero Ezra Miller. Only reason he's not cancelled is because he's one of their own.

[IMJ]

I mean, just look at leftist hero Ezra Miller. Only reason he's not cancelled is because he's one of their own.

James Gunn - got cancelled as social theater and then rehired.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Jackson seemed to lose interest in a boy when they turned 13 , wouldnt hang out with them anymore


Maybe for his non-celeb friends, but he did still hang out with them after they got older, hell they all came to his defence at one point or another