Moon Landing: Faked or Legit?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So I just found out somebody in my life, who seemed to be a normal joe in every other way, is firmly convinced the moon landing was 100% fake.

So... what do you guys think?

[Candy Kappa]

We all know Kubrick staged the moon landing, but due to his perfectionism he filmed on location.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

This is what happens when we allow space exploration to stagnate. Conspiracies take over!

[Vegita-San]

can't you, like, see the american flag planted there with a telescope?

how does that get explained?

[neatoman]

It was staged... ON VENUS!!!

[IndigoErth]

can't you, like, see the american flag planted there with a telescope?

how does that get explained?
The moon is flat like the sun and magic space unicorn zebras drew it there.

They're very good artists, you know.



Edit: *Realizes she said sun, not Earth...* but I guess that too.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think conspiracy theories are the new "gay" in how people react to you.

Used to, in less enlightened times, it was shocking for you to come home and say "Dad, I'm gay."

Now, it's "Dad, I believe the moon landing was faked." Or "Dad, the Earth is flat."

You just kinda stare at the person with your jaw agape... is this a prank? Are you for real? Do you realize how big a disappointment this is for your mother and me?

[DarkFell]

I think this topic borders on what you believe in, more than what someone else says. A lot of people on our planet would say "Yes, we did", while the other folks would happily say, "Oh no - we did not land on the Moon. It's all fake."

[Leo656]

Jesus, guy, if you're this bored there's other things to do. Like whip donuts at the homeless.

C'mon.

[Krutch]

Current Events, fellas :lol:

[Leo656]

I demand to know who the one chucklef*ck is who voted, so I can immediately dismiss anything and everything that they ever say, forever.

SHOW YOURSELF! I got no time to be playin' detective.

[IndigoErth]

Not I.

But I hold you personally accountable for making me want donuts. The glazed chocolate cake sort to be exact.

[Mayhem]

Of course we did. Or more precisely NASA did. Most telling part is that at no point during the 60s and 70s did the Russians ever argue or counter that America had not got there, and if they were confident in that fact... don’t understand how anyone else could not be either.

can't you, like, see the american flag planted there with a telescope?
Not really, it’s been bleached by the sun after a few years. It will just be white instead for the most part.

[Leo656]

Not I.

But I hold you personally accountable for making me want donuts. The glazed chocolate cake sort to be exact.


Oh, lordy.

I've never had relations with a pastry but those would be at the top of the list.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Oh, lordy.

I've never had relations with a pastry but those would be at the top of the list.

Ya damned donut fvcker. No wonder Krispy Kreme has your photo on the wall with "DO NOT SERVE" in big red letters. :tlol:

[Leo656]

NJ doesn't have Krispy Kreme to my knowledge. SO HUH.

Although I may or may not have had a gangbang with Mrs. Entenmann and her daughters. Man, that was some crazy Yom Kippur!

[Voltron]

can't you, like, see the american flag planted there with a telescope?

how does that get explained?

The astronauts put mirrors there. We can actually reflect lasers of it to test the speed of light. Apparently, it's not impossible to get the right equipment and do it from your backyard, though I'd imagine it's a bit pricey.

[Prowler]

When I first read the title I assumed a former user was back or Andrew was being Andrew again.

Having a slow day at work, Cylons?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

When I first read the title I assumed a former user was back or Andrew was being Andrew again.

Having a slow day at work, Cylons?

Nah, amigo, I was genuinely curious to know if there were any "hell yeah, man, it's all smoke and mirrors!" people on here. :tlol:

It really caught me off-guard yesterday. Of all the people I spend time with, coming from this individual was NOT something I would have predicted.

[Leo656]

I once knew a guy - honors student - who was of the opinion that, "I'm sure we've been there by NOW, but back then it was all just propaganda to put us ahead of the Russians."

Some people are just obtuse, even if they're selectively brilliant in other areas.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Nah, man, it was all staged on a lot in Arizona!

(Not really. Why ANYONE would think the government, and particularly NASA could or WOULD go to the trouble of FAKING it rather than using their money and technology to, y'know, actually GO there, is beyond me....)

[Leo656]

It's 2019, and I still run into "wrestling haters" who insist the blood is ketchup, or that the top rope acrobatics are done with "invisible wires".

Because "We're stupid enough to cut ourselves with tiny slivers of razor blades, and a lot of us took gymnastics" doesn't make enough sense, I guess.

If there's only ONE thing I know - and I know several - but if there's ONE thing I know, it's that People Are Generally F*ckin' Stupid.

[Prowler]

Nah, amigo, I was genuinely curious to know if there were any "hell yeah, man, it's all smoke and mirrors!" people on here. :tlol:

It really caught me off-guard yesterday. Of all the people I spend time with, coming from this individual was NOT something I would have predicted.
I don't think I've ever met someone who doesn't believe in the moon landing irl. Dunno any flat Earthers either. Or anti-vaxxers. I do know many people who believe 9/11 was an inside job, however. But that seems to have become standard lately, dunno why.

I once knew a guy - honors student - who was of the opinion that, "I'm sure we've been there by NOW, but back then it was all just propaganda to put us ahead of the Russians."

Some people are just obtuse, even if they're selectively brilliant in other areas.
I know A LOT of people who are of average intelligence or even smarter than your average person who believe that 9/11 was an inside job done by Bush/the US government in order to justify more wars in the ME. It seems to be a meme at this point. Believing the "jet fuel can't melt steel beams!" thing. Funny enough, a lot of people who believe that are also people who consider Americans stupid and USA either an evil country or a country that's to be blamed for mot bad things happening in the world. Yet they think Bush and the American government are smart enough to do something like that?! Doesn't make sense...

[Sage Ninja]

We went to the moon. nuff said

On the topic of donuts what do you prefer:

Dunkin Donuts

Honey Dew

Some other place?

I actually like the ones you get from Cumby's

https://images-gmi-pmc.edge-generalmills.com/10b884a8-6627-453e-93a9-1de5c892ae59.jpg

[IndigoErth]

Honey Dew and Cumby's (are those mini donuts?) are not familiar names... But Dunkin' would be the one.

My glazed chocolate cake donuts must come from either Dunkin' Donuts or Acme (grocery store) whose are quite similar, but they don't always make them. A whole box of chocolate Dunkin' Munchkins though are hard to beat.

[Sage Ninja]

Honey Dew and Cumby's (are those mini donuts?) are not familiar names... But Dunkin' would be the one.

I sometimes take for granted that what's in my area might only be regional and not everyone has the same places.

[Galactus]

I demand to know who the one chucklef*ck is who voted, so I can immediately dismiss anything and everything that they ever say, forever.

SHOW YOURSELF! I got no time to be playin' detective.

Jarrah White snuck back in just for this.

[Leo656]

Jarrah White snuck back in just for this.

:lol: Nice. Nice.

[IndigoErth]

I sometimes take for granted that what's in my area might only be regional and not everyone has the same places.
Same, esp with brands like Herr's (chips) and Tastykake, before Tasty started spreading a bit south and west.

edit: The best though was when a friend in CA asked while chatting "What are cheese curls?" when I mentioned what I was snacking on. I was kinda floored, not realizing until then that the alternate name for cheese puffs (via the Herr's brand) was not in fact widely known. LOL

[Andrew NDB]

I believe we did land there but no two ways about it, it is a little bit eyebrow raising when stories pop out about "We have to reinvent all of the technology to get there, we don't have it anymore" and similar fare.

[ProphetofGanja]

If you actually look into it you realize so much of the official story is fishy af.

We did go to the moon, but they faked the footage for the public because the truth of the matter is a matter of "national security" and can't be revealed. That's also why we stopped going there.

Funny story, the moon is actually an artificial construct that was put in place within the timespan of human history :lol:

[Vegita-San]

I believe we did land there but no two ways about it, it is a little bit eyebrow raising when stories pop out about "We have to reinvent all of the technology to get there, we don't have it anymore" and similar fare.

that's because the technology was from the 60's. My guess is once they did it, and learned all they wanted, scrapped it all. now they'd have to update it or re invent it for 2022

[Stu_Padasso]

Paul Shillito of Curious Droid covered som of this. Not only did the technology move on but many of the skills such as precision hand welding have disappeared.

https://youtu.be/ovD0aLdRUs0

[mrmaczaps]

The moon landing was a hollywood production. All the landing footage is fake.

[Sumac]

The moon landing was a hollywood production. All the landing footage is fake.
Your brain is fake.

[mrmaczaps]

Your brain is fake.

I didn't know you cared, Sumac.

[Andrew NDB]

Any new opinions?

[neatoman]

Any new opinions?

That it's silly that people still deny it happened after almost 60 years and I think it's sad/hilarious that they want to downplay these types of achievements in human history. Even if it was faked, it wouldn't mean anything because the technology to get there is very clearly real, we wouldn't have satellites and space probes if it wasn't, which means it could be done again simply for the sake of showing it can be done. People who say that the pyramids were built by aliens and similar statements are essentially trying to the same thing but with reverse reasoning, as if it's so hard to stack stone blocks on top of eachother that nobody could possible figure out how to do it.

How the hell did this weird idea start in the first place? The most logical explanation I can think of is that people simply assumed it couldn't be done because it hadn't been done before. Other than that, I guess there might be the political angle of it, that some people assumed the "Superior" Soviets would get there first but then they never did, leading them to cope hard when it was the Americans who did it. I know Marxists tend to have a weird idea that their ideas are guaranteed to lead to the the most technologically advanced society possible even though in practice they tend to struggle with technological advancement, if you want to see the extreme version of this type of thinking you might want to look up Posadism, it's quite hilarious. But considering how long ago this was, I don't think the political angle can still be it, I think people might just want to gaslight others.

[Stu_Padasso]

My favorite conspiracy theory is that most conspiracy theorists are actually performance artists that are trying to sell something like DVDs or overpriced vitamins that you urinate out of your system.

Also, I think that a lot of it comes down to poor critical thinking skills and scientific literacy. For example:

“Jet fuel can’t melt steel beams!” It doesn’t have to. It just has to heat the steel up until it softens until the weight of the structure above it causes it to collapse.

“We couldn’t land on the moon because of the Van Allen Radiation Belt!” NASA plotted the path to the moon to avoid the worst of it and equipped the astronauts with radiation monitoring equipment. There is also a difference between ionized radiation and electromagnetic radiation which we normally think of.

And of course you get the nutcases that think that squirrels are planning to take over the world.

Get it? Nuts? Squirrels? Whatever.

The rub is that sometimes conspiracy theories turn out to be true. Humans are flawed creatures that create flawed organizations like governments, corporations and universities that will make unethical decisions to serve their own interests. MK Ultra, heart attack pistols, CIA and the Dali Lama, poisoning alcoholic drinks during prohibition, and the Church Committee.

If my local ATF examiner is reading this, please don’t deny any of my form 1 or form 4 applications. Everything is for lawful purposes.

[sdp]

Why was this thread bumped? oh, 'tism. ok

[Andrew NDB]

Why was this thread bumped? oh, 'tism. ok

You know, I'm noticing a common occurrence with you is that you repeatedly like revealing that you don't understand the meaning of words. And you're like a walking (I mean, I'm assume you're able-bodied... but it's entirely possible/likely I'm assuming too much, especially if there was even a nugget of truth to when you said you were a woman and looked exactly like the Seth Rogen April O'Neil and that she represented you) barrel full of mental health issues, as you've been literally proudly proclaiming for the better part of a couple years now.

[CyberCubed]

I remember this all started when some special aired on Fox right around 2001 after 9/11 or something, when people had the most pessimism in their minds. People thought we also couldn't take pictures of the flag that was placed there.

Then again there's still people who believe the Earth is flat so you know.

[IMJ]

The moon landing was 100% a real feat.

But there was a global propaganda campaign going on during the cold war and I think it's clear that in order to win that war there was a decent amount of "Hollywood footage" released of the accomplishments in space to demoralize any competition and also to give the appearance of the "ongoing win".

Whether you like the reality or not - there are more peasant-thinkers on Earth than well adapted people with a grip on things. You have to control the peasant-thinkers and when you give them too much credit you have uprisings in the street and political discussions on the Technodrome forums with guys like Mayhem. Even this conversation is evidence of this - people find footage that is clearly a Hollywood Production and "That's it! The entire thing is fake!" Peasant-thinkers never want to acknowledge a reality where they are indeed the peasant-thinker.

The moon landing was real. Much of the footage we have of it was not.

You know, I'm noticing a common occurrence with you is that you repeatedly like revealing that you don't understand the meaning of words. And you're like a walking (I mean, I'm assume you're able-bodied... but it's entirely possible/likely I'm assuming too much, especially if there was even a nugget of truth to when you said you were a woman and looked exactly like the Seth Rogen April O'Neil and that she represented you) barrel full of mental health issues, as you've been literally proudly proclaiming for the better part of a couple years now.

It's all easily explainable. The rest of us had heroes that made us strive to grow and evolve. SDP's hero was Tom F'n Green. He literally strives to be a clown. That was literally his operating model as if that was a thing to be. You're talking to a guy who literally grew up developing an online personna called "SDP - Internet troll".

So cut him some slack. He's a full-on party of one.

[Mayhem]

The moon landing was real. Much of the footage we have of it was not.
I’m intrigued to know why you think that.

[Coola Yagami]

I’m intrigued to know why you think that.

Why would you think otherwise?

[Mayhem]

Why would you think otherwise?
Erm, if you believe the moon landings were real, what is there about the footage that leads you to say that is not? He makes the assertion, so I'm intrigued to know what about it makes him think it's fake.

[oldmanwinters]

My "gut feeling" on everything has long been:
It's entirely believable the American space program was able to land a man on the moon and bring him safely home by 1969.

But considering the time period, it wasn't really ENOUGH to do that. We had to have a live video feed of it for the major news networks.

And it's more feasible for me to believe NASA was less certain about pulling off that non-essential feat in live-time than they were about doing the main job right.

So... I believe the US government definitely had some back-up plans if the audio-visual transmission wasn't working. Build some sets somewhere... film a fake landing, if necessary. If some of that work actually ended up getting mixed in with actual space photography, would it surprise me? Eh...