Let's compare Raphael's Girlfriends of all the series.

[The Great Saiyaman]

https://www.writeups.org/wp-content/uploads/Raphael-TMNT-Ninja-Turtle.jpg
Ah Raphael, the "Hit first, ask questions later" part of the team, he's rough, impulsive and pretty much a lone wolf.

But that doesn't mean he's immune to the typical teenage Boy's hormones and the attraction to the other gender. And in the franchise there have been a couple of girls who found out that Raph has a soft, caring side too.
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First up, from the Archie comics: Umeko or to use the name everybody knows her by: Ninjara
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Ninjara showing Michelangelo that it pays NOT to make fun of her name or to imply that her name is "Cute"
Ninjara was the anthropomorphic Fox assistant of the dog man Chien Khan in Japan but switched sides and fought alongside the Turtles to defeat him. She traveled with the Turtles to New York city where she and Raph began an intimate relationship and becoming the team's fifth member in the process. But when she returned to Japan on request of her brother, the relationship soured and she and Raph broke up with a final kiss.
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Apparently Raph had good fate on his side because the next one also came from the Archie comics. Mezcaal
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/3/32/Mezz.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131110075344
Mezcaal is a Coyote woman who is a tough cookie, working as a bartender and follows Raph's mantra of "Hit first, ask questions later." to a T, she appears in the five part "Dreamland" which shows us a future version of Raph happily married to her. We don't see that much of her afterwards but it's pretty safe to say that Raphael met his match.

And having hinted the title, Number three is the one you guys will probably go for as soon as somebody says "Raphael's girlfriend"
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/e/e3/Monaraph1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140110214328
Well, what would a list like this one be without Mona Lisa? Mona Lisa is the only one where Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird had a say in when she was created. As in the fact that while they liked the idea of Raph getting a Girlfriend, they vetoed the idea of her being a Girl turtle, thus Mona Lisa became a lizard. She's also the only one who was human before being mutated. The funny thing is that Mona Lisa got such a big following despite the fact that she only appeared in one episode.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/1/12/MonaLisa.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20121209182559
Mona Lisa in a Japanese official TMNT magazine.

Now if what I put down on Ninjara and Mezcaal would suggest that the comic book Raphael has a thing for Fox and Wolf girls, our next entry confirms it. Alopex of the IDW series.
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Different from Mona Lisa, Alopex didn't start off a human who was mutated, she started off an Arctic Fox who was experimented upon by Foot Clan scientists. Having nowhere to go after her mutation Alopex came along with Shredder to New York where she was Karai's right hand woman. It was there where she met Raphael and later the other turtles and although they started off as enemies, they developed a healthy respect for the other. But after finding out that Shredder had killed her entire family she rebelled and hitched a ride along with the Turtles to Northampton where she and Raph found out that they actually really liked each other a lot. When she fled New York to rid herself of the influence of the evil sorceress Kitsune and went to Alaska, Raphael used the Foot Clan's resources to travel after her and admitting to Nobody who traveled with him that he loves Alopex and why.
A very sweet dialogue of Raph (https://66.media.tumblr.com/b23f4861812ef3136652c32b2ef66b86/tumblr_okdxqyfzST1qjw1rjo2_540.jpg)
Of all of them, this could probably be the most long lasting.

Our final entry is the only one who turns the roles around: Y'Gythba, aka Mona Lisa of the 2012 series.
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When this Mona Lisa appeared for the first time during the fourth season of the 2012 series fans were rejoicing, Mona Lisa was back and from all appearances, this one would be around far longer than the original eighties Mona Lisa. Lieutenant Y'Gythba of the Salamandrian army, like all the others, is one tough cookie who had no issues with using her fists to make a point come across. Her relationship with Raph has been rocky, she even betrayed him to get a perk from Lord Dregg. But the most striking fact about her is that she turns the roles around, she is pretty much the man in their relationship and Raph is all too happy to fall into the woman role here.
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So let's discuss them.

[Toxin45]

Raphael had the most love interests than his brothers dang. Leonardo had lotus blossom,rapture,and Karai. Miley had trib,renet,kala,and Serilius. Donatello is the only one with no love interest in the franchise.

[The Great Saiyaman]

Raphael had the most love interests than his brothers dang. Leonardo had lotus blossom,rapture,and Karai. Miley had trib,renet,kala,and Serilius. Donatello is the only one with no love interest in the franchise.

Are you sure?
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[Toxin45]

Are you sure?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/00/bd/38/00bd382fefbbd6a2273e458490230fc4--little-brothers-donatello.jpg

https://scontent-ort2-2.cdninstagram.com/vp/4fa45c3fa19122a1dfdbe0cb8686f5e9/5CC6E4D8/t51.2885-15/e35/40366804_478946465919884_7782947624771911680_n.jpg ?_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.cdninstagram.com

Oh right forgot about that....

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Raphael and Ninjara was the best.

[IndigoErth]

Always been funny to me that they all seem to have a type they go for. And for Raph, that's definitely fox/canine-like and lizard ladies. lol Interesting mix, but to each their own.

Don't forget Donnie was also a little smitten with that blue(?) skinned alien woman in other versions... Can't think of the name off the top of my head, think it started with, I want to say a... J? Jhanna! Which is funny as he seems to go for the humanoid alien sort then. And note, 2012 April is herself part alien! lol

(And of course Leo with his attraction to tough human ladies; and Mikey with his aliens, plus Renet who while human is still a bit otherworldly in her own right.)

[Toxin45]

Always been funny to me that they all seem to have a type they go for. And for Raph, that's definitely fox/canine-like and lizard ladies. lol Interesting mix, but to each their own.

Don't forget Donnie was also a little smitten with that blue(?) skinned alien woman in other versions... Can't think of the name off the top of my head, think it started with, I want to say a... J? Which is funny as he seems to go for the humanoid alien sort then. And note, 2012 April is herself part alien! lol

Also Leo seems to have a thing with human women with black hair and Mickey also fell in love with three aliens and one human go figure

[IndigoErth]

Yup, that part too. Sorry, updated my post before seeing yours, no attempt to swipe those points from ya.


It's funny that the two that are calmer and a little more reserved in personality lean toward humans or human-like aliens. While the other two that are bit more out there and a little more extroverted seem to learn more toward aliens and fellow mutants that are less humanoid. (With the exception of Renet, though she's not your typical human either and a bit "alien" in a sense.)

[Toxin45]

Yup, that part too. Sorry, updated my post before seeing yours, no attempt to swipe those points from ya.


It's funny that the two that are calmer and a little more reserved in personality lean toward humans or human-like aliens. While the other two that are bit more out there and a little more extroverted seem to learn more toward aliens and fellow mutants that are less humanoid. (With the exception of Renet, though she's not your typical human either and a bit "alien" in a sense.)

well yeah Leonardo being into human women is kinda like revere bestiality but since he is a mutant humanoid i guess it's okay.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I figure if I wait long enough, JakeSully will reveal himself in this thread.

Anybody want to lay bets on this one?

[Candy Kappa]

well yeah Leonardo being into human women is kinda like revere bestiality but since he is a mutant humanoid i guess it's okay.

Not really as both parties are sentient consenting beings.

[Toxin45]

Not really as both parties are sentient consenting beings.

Fair enough still funny that Leo prefers tough human women brutnettes while Mikey prefers human like aliens.

[IndigoErth]

Sidestepping the normal human perception that humans are somehow different and special, were it not for the fact that all parties are sentient and consenting individuals, all 'dem Turtles are very guilty of that "bestiality"/inter-species interests... lol Can't really blame them though, you take what you can get if your own sort are so rare in the world. But at least in their world there are many other people, even if not of the Turtle variety.


edit: In reality, if they were attracted to regular turtles THAT would oddly enough be an actual case of bestiality and animal abuse on their part. Since they, as sentient beings, are people and regular little turtles are not and can not consent. That would be far more morally wrong of them than one of them clicking with a human that accepted him for who he is.

[Leo656]

I read the Archie comic a lot as a kid, so Ninjara's always my pick.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Can the original Mona Lisa be considered a mutant (by TMNT-standard)? She was transformed following an accident when Filch's reactor exploded.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I read the Archie comic a lot as a kid, so Ninjara's always my pick.

Whereas I'd go with Pimiko, who if Raph has to hang around with a lady and have sexual tension, the literal (and original) daughter of Oroku Saki would be my pick.

But to go with the available options, Mona Lisa because that was an episode I always rented from Blockbuster, because I was never able to find the VHS for sale and I owned a ton of them. :tlol:

[IndigoErth]

Can the original Mona Lisa be considered a mutant (by TMNT-standard)? She was transformed following an accident when Filch's reactor exploded.
I was always under the impression that she was. Maybe through slightly different means, but not really any less of one than Splinter and the Turtles.

[Leo656]

Whereas I'd go with Pimiko, who if Raph has to hang around with a lady and have sexual tension, the literal (and original) daughter of Oroku Saki would be my pick.

I really didn't like the Image book, so there ya go. :lol:

[pferreira]

The Fred Wolf version of Mona Lisa was great. Maybe it was the design that added to it but Rob Paulsen and Pat Musick had great chemistry.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Donatello is the only one with no love interest in the franchise.

He also seemed to like Irma in the Fred Wolf cartoon.

[Leo656]

He also seemed to like Irma in the Fred Wolf cartoon.

I think we all probably wanted to see what Irma had goin' on under that sweater and those clunky shoes.

Those "librarian-hot" types always end being into the craziest, freakiest sh*t. Like yeah, April's hotter but... I'unno man. I think Irma might be more "fun". Especially tipsy. :tgrin:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I will second that. There were SEVERAL episodes where Don could have asked April or someone else to run favors for him (Donatello's Degree, Invasion of the Turtle Snatchers, etc) or hang out with, but seemed to pick Irma very frequently. Maybe because she was more of a fellow nerd than most, plus older and more mature than the typical picks of his brothers (barring Lotus and Radical, maybe).

Plus, there WAS that episode where she and April were vacationing in Florida- I think it was Leatherhead Terror of the Swamp, where Irma wore a bathing suit, plus that superheroine outfit she wore once or twice, so there's that.

[Leo656]

My headcanon is that they once got drunk together playing Magic: The Gathering, and "stuff happened". And they just pretend it didn't and silently agree to never mention it, while still trying to "subconsciously" create a scenario in which it may one day happen again.

In my head, half of all the cartoon characters that ever existed spend most of their offscreen time banging the other half. Because when you've been watching this stuff for almost 40 goddamn years you start having to make your own "fun" after a while. :tgrin:


Plus, there WAS that episode where she and April were vacationing in Florida- I think it was Leatherhead Terror of the Swamp, where Irma wore a bathing suit, plus that superheroine outfit she wore once or twice, so there's that.

Yes there was. Mmm. Mmm mmm MMM.

Mmm.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

PERV!!! Kidding (not really). But yeah, I can go along with that. But probably more like a late night in the lab where she was helping him with something, they were SUPER close for an extended period, and.... Stuff happened. And they liked it. So now they are friends with bennies....

[IndigoErth]

My headcanon is that they once got drunk together playing Magic: The Gathering, and "stuff happened". And they just pretend it didn't and silently agree to never mention it, while still trying to "subconsciously" create a scenario in which it may one day happen again.
:lol:

Well, in her man crazy behavior she did seem to get open minded enough after a while to the point when Donnie says "Irma, I need you" and she starts swooning before he could tell her to calm down, it's just to help pick up a pizza.

Just rewatched that one the other day. And I think it was the very next ep where three of them are tricked with a love potion and fall in love with her? But it's kinda odd that after the hints of her being open to accept a Turtle's interest she's upset when she found our her "three sailors" where three of the Turtles. But I just now realized that the only one not tricked with the potion was DONNIE. Maybe the disappointment wasn't really for being Turtles but rather which one it wasn't. :tlol:

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I think we all probably wanted to see what Irma had goin' on under that sweater and those clunky shoes.

Those "librarian-hot" types always end being into the craziest, freakiest sh*t. Like yeah, April's hotter but... I'unno man. I think Irma might be more "fun". Especially tipsy. :tgrin:

Seasons 3–5 would usually play on Donatello and Irma.

[The Great Saiyaman]

I think we all probably wanted to see what Irma had goin' on under that sweater and those clunky shoes.

Those "librarian-hot" types always end being into the craziest, freakiest sh*t. Like yeah, April's hotter but... I'unno man. I think Irma might be more "fun". Especially tipsy. :tgrin:

Well, there's this episode with Leatherhead and the Punk Frogs, which shows Irma in a one piece swimsuit...
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/e/e2/Terror3.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20140607192301

[Leo656]

:lol:

Well, in her man crazy behavior she did seem to get open minded enough after a while to the point when Donnie says "Irma, I need you" and she starts swooning before he could tell her to calm down, it's just to help pick up a pizza.

Just rewatched that one the other day. And I think it was the very next ep where three of them are tricked with a love potion and fall in love with her? But it's kinda odd that after the hints of her being open to accept a Turtle's interest she's upset when she found our her "three sailors" where three of the Turtles. But I just now realized that the only one not tricked with the potion was DONNIE. Maybe the disappointment wasn't really for being Turtles but rather which one it wasn't. :tlol:

Yeah, for real. Those episodes came on a lot, and that sh*t always jumped out at me. Irma's reply was definitely in her "bedroom voice". :lol: And the disappointment when it was "just" over a pizza? That girl is peeeeeeeeent UP, man.

When she's at her desk at work, I imagine she must be chewing her pen, twirling her hair with her finger, AND constantly crossing and uncrossing her legs, simultaneously. :lol: Because we all know what each of those things in and of itself are indicative of, and let's face it... she's a rather desperate woman, which means it's been a while.

Poor kid.

Well, there's this episode with Leatherhead and the Punk Frogs, which shows Irma in a one piece swimsuit...
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/e/e2/Terror3.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20140607192301

That be the one. :trazz:

Out of context, that seriously looks like the establishing shot of the worst porno movie ever, doesn't it?

"Well ladies... if you don't have enough money, there's ANOTHER way you can 'pay' for this pizza..."

"What pizza? You didn't even BRING the pizza!"

"...We spent all our budget on lube and French ticklers, okay? Just get naked, Donnie says we can only afford to rent the camera until 6pm or they'll charge us a whole extra day..." :lol::lol::lol:

[IndigoErth]

:lol:

Leo, I really expected better!

Well, Leo Leo, not you Leo. You I've come to expect it of. :tlol:

https://i.imgur.com/walaH7w.gif

[Leo656]

:o:o:o:lol::lol::lol: "Context! CONTEXT!!!" :lol:

Also: Thanks, Indi. I please to aim. :tgrin:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

:lol:

Well, in her man crazy behavior she did seem to get open minded enough after a while to the point when Donnie says "Irma, I need you" and she starts swooning before he could tell her to calm down, it's just to help pick up a pizza.

Just rewatched that one the other day. And I think it was the very next ep where three of them are tricked with a love potion and fall in love with her? But it's kinda odd that after the hints of her being open to accept a Turtle's interest she's upset when she found our her "three sailors" where three of the Turtles. But I just now realized that the only one not tricked with the potion was DONNIE. Maybe the disappointment wasn't really for being Turtles but rather which one it wasn't. :tlol:


That was exactly what I was thinking, LOL! So the love potion was right after the one he said "I need you" in? Huh, I hadn't even realized that. But suddenly a LOT of things in those two episodes make more sense now. And it also gives me some ideas for me fics.... As an aside, I actually did reference that episode in Love Is Shell, with Mikey being the one behind the gift of the puppy. Not only does he admit to it, he bribes her with a chocolate soufflet to keep quiet about his plans to take off with his gf in secret for a day. And there are several scenes where the idea of matchmaking her and Donnie pop up. For the reasons already mentioned. But the Donatello's Degree episode is also brought up several times, specifically due to her involvement and the confusion over his name. So....

Donatello strikes me as the quiet type, and for some reason she seemed to hang with him more than any of the others. His willingness to hang out with her alone might have been less than incidental.

Well, there's this episode with Leatherhead and the Punk Frogs, which shows Irma in a one piece swimsuit...
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/e/e2/Terror3.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20140607192301


Yup that was exactly the one I was thinking of!

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Donatello and Irma also had some lines in Sky Turtles.

[victory_angel]

There was also that Maltese Hampster episode where all the Turtles and Splinter are abducted by some mobsters who worked for the Shredder.

Donatello is told to escape and then is supposedly crushed by falling building facade. He manages to crawl out of the rubble once the mobsters drive off with Leo and Splinter and limps away.

Then the next scene has Irma on the phone when we hear a loud thud off screen and Irma responds by saying "You'll have to excuse me, it sounds like someone just passed out in front of my desk." She then leaves the desk finds a seriously wounded Donatello. Her reaction to finding Donatello wasn't really lusty or suggestive as some other examples, but she is the sort of person who wishes men would just pass out in exaltation at the sight of her

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

They also went out in Invasion of the Turtles Snatchers, and Irma reacted.

[IndigoErth]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/e/e2/Terror3.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20140607192301
Out of context, that seriously looks like the establishing shot of the worst porno movie ever, doesn't it?
Speaking of Donatello and Irma... That ep with April and Irma in swimsuits just so happened to be one of a couple I watched last night via the disc I'm currently up to so far.

AND... going by an initial farther shot and the voice, that is supposed to be DONNIE in that shot. :lol: Color error my ass... he just stole one of Leo's masks to hide that it was him that was eager to go talk to them right that moment.

[ZariusTwo]

Don and Irma have loads of moments in Donatello's Degree. Irma even likes using Donny's name as a pseudonym and considers keeping it afterwards.

There was also that Maltese Hampster episode where all the Turtles and Splinter are abducted by some mobsters who worked for the Shredder.

Donatello is told to escape and then is supposedly crushed by falling building facade. He manages to crawl out of the rubble once the mobsters drive off with Leo and Splinter and limps away.

Then the next scene has Irma on the phone when we hear a loud thud off screen and Irma responds by saying "You'll have to excuse me, it sounds like someone just passed out in front of my desk." She then leaves the desk finds a seriously wounded Donatello. Her reaction to finding Donatello wasn't really lusty or suggestive as some other examples, but she is the sort of person who wishes men would just pass out in exaltation at the sight of her

That's probably my favourite Irma/Donatello moment ever and the reason I started to 'ship them in the first place. It showed more of a serious side to Irma and she literally rushed off to find a way of tending to his injuries. I said to Donny, "that babe's a keeper".

[Dejablue]

I'm actually stunned that there is a thread about shipping on this forum. I thought old people hated shipping.

[IndigoErth]

Old?? *hmph* (Nah, just a bunch of big kids, the exterior is just a little more worn out for some than others. :))

Well, there's definitely one major difference. Doesn't come up much around here, but when it does it tends to be things that are either actually canon (such as Raph and his various girlfriends), and personally I don't label that as "shipping" if it's actually legit, or based on character interactions that could at least hint at something if looked at from the right angle (like '87 Donnie and Irma). And mainly just for entertainment value. All the Tumblr (and elsewhere) shipping of characters with no actual canon interest in each other or any reason to feel that way, and taking a lot more seriously than this, is kind of its own category.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yeah, that's called CRACK shipping, lol!

[pferreira]

Well, there's this episode with Leatherhead and the Punk Frogs, which shows Irma in a one piece swimsuit...
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/e/e2/Terror3.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/640?cb=20140607192301Surprised no one at the resort asked why someone wearing a coat and a hat is talking to two women in their 20s. Then again they've probably been visited at least once by Lt Columbo so... :lol::lol:

[TigerClaw]

Raph is the only Turtle of the group to have a Girlfriend throughout all incarnations of TMNT. I wonder if the Raph from Rise will get a girlfriend in that too.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Surprised no one at the resort asked why someone wearing a coat and a hat is talking to two women in their 20s. Then again they've probably been visited at least once by Lt Columbo so... :lol::lol:

And he's only 15–16 something.

[IndigoErth]

It's a few seasons in, so technically he might be an adult-teen at that point. (Even though in that case April and Irma's age group is still out of his league.)

While they don't seem to age or ever acknowledge it, by the time Zach comes around in the same season 3 they treat him like a kid, not a similarly aged a peer. Carter though late in the series is treated more like a peer. (Though the Turtles could technically be some years older than him.)

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

It's a few seasons in, so technically he might be an adult-teen at that point. (Even though in that case April and Irma's age group is still out of his league.)

While they don't seem to age or ever acknowledge it, by the time Zach comes around in the same season 3 they treat him like a kid, not a similarly aged a peer. Carter though late in the series is treated more like a peer. (Though the Turtles could technically be some years older than him.)

Zach maybe lied when he said he was 13 (almost 14)?

[Leo656]

Zach has so much untapped potential as a villain that it's not even funny.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Zach has so much untapped potential as a villain that it's not even funny.

Because he found the turtles' lair?

[Leo656]

Because he was once their trusted ally, privy to literally all of their secrets, and has since all but been abandoned by both them and history.

There's some great meta-fictional stuff to play with there. Much more interesting than having them run into him in his mid-20s, still being "friends", and trying to have awkward catching-up conversation after running into each other at Starbucks. :lol:

[IndigoErth]

:tlol: Zach, the next PD movie villain. You abandoned me, now I want revenge. Would have been far more interesting than Eric Sachs.

Or, throw a twist in there... Zach becomes Rat King, similar to '87 version in look and general vibe. He tried to live in the sewers like the Turtles, wanting to be like them, and started playing with rats in hopes to create his own rat sensei, but mostly he just went nuts.

[Leo656]

:tlol: Zach, the next PD movie villain. You abandoned me, now I want revenge. Would have been far more interesting than Eric Sachs.

Or, throw a twist in there... Zach becomes Rat King, similar to '87 version in look and general vibe. He tried to live in the sewers like the Turtles, wanting to be like them, and started playing with rats in hopes to create his own rat sensei, but mostly he just went nuts.

:teek::teek::teek:

You just blew my MIND. Have an Iron Sheik gif, my treat. You've earned this.

https://i.imgur.com/wf0A9mD.gif

Camel Clutch on a CAMEL. That just ripped a hole in the Space-Time Continuum!

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

:tlol: Zach, the next PD movie villain. You abandoned me, now I want revenge. Would have been far more interesting than Eric Sachs.

Or, throw a twist in there... Zach becomes Rat King, similar to '87 version in look and general vibe. He tried to live in the sewers like the Turtles, wanting to be like them, and started playing with rats in hopes to create his own rat sensei, but mostly he just went nuts.

Or let Zach be abandoned by the turtles. To get revenge, he joins the Rat King and becomes the Rat Prince, ready to take over when the Rat King dies.

[Leo656]

This is great. Now all we need is some bozo with $100 million and absolutely zero standards, and we're runnin' this thing.

[pferreira]

Because he was once their trusted ally, privy to literally all of their secrets, and has since all but been abandoned by both them and history.I'm happy if they leave Zach alone and don't contrive a reason to turn him into a villain because fans who outgrew him don't like him any more. ;)

[Leo656]

When did I say I didn't like him? I'm the only one trying to get him booked at all! :lol:

Sometimes ya gotta make a heel turn to freshen up your character. Especially if you want that Last Big Payday. :trazz:

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

In the Archie comics, you also had Michelangelo and Oyuki Mashimi as well as April O'Neil and Chu Hsi (Warrior Dragon).

[Leo656]

Good call. I wonder what Oyuki would be up to now, sometimes.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Good call. I wonder what Oyuki would be up to now, sometimes.

She became a correspondent some years into the future.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Because he was once their trusted ally, privy to literally all of their secrets, and has since all but been abandoned by both them and history.

There's some great meta-fictional stuff to play with there. Much more interesting than having them run into him in his mid-20s, still being "friends", and trying to have awkward catching-up conversation after running into each other at Starbucks. :lol:

Geez, man, that's some Scrappy Doo level $hit there. :tlol:

[pferreira]

Sometimes ya gotta make a heel turn to freshen up your character. Especially if you want that Last Big Payday. :trazz::o

Geez, man, that's some Scrappy Doo level $hit there. :tlol:Yes and you know that went down well with fans for that movie. :roll:

[The Great Saiyaman]

well yeah Leonardo being into human women is kinda like revere bestiality but since he is a mutant humanoid i guess it's okay.

With Lotus Blossom you could sure see it that way, Karai however...
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bb/2d/97/bb2d9764671f543a2bc7f6f3c10c6cf8.jpg

Karai never completely turned back human, she always remained a mutant.
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[IndigoErth]

Even then he didn't have the hots for the snake form, just when she looked like her normal self. Esp when she got it under control and could totally look like herself again.

[Xav]

Because he was once their trusted ally, privy to literally all of their secrets, and has since all but been abandoned by both them and history.They basically already did that with Timothy in the 2012 series.

[The Great Saiyaman]

They basically already did that with Timothy in the 2012 series.

But to say that Timothy was "Their trusted ally and privy to literally all of their secrets" is stretching it waaaaay thin. He was a hopeless fanboy who always got himself into trouble. It's sad that the series never resolved that story line.

In my "Karai versus Karai" comic, I had Donnie contacting Bishop, who took Timothy to Dimension X, where using the DNA cloning tech the Kraang used in "The Alien agenda" the Utrom Scientists created him a new body and using the tech from the "Plan 10" episode put Timothy's mind into that new body.
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That, in my own personal opinion, should have been the way the Pulverizer arc should have been resolved.

Heh, In that story I had the Pulverizer fall in love with the Karai from the Michael Bay verse. Imagine how much better those movies would be with him in it...
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[turtle1237]

Are you sure?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/00/bd/38/00bd382fefbbd6a2273e458490230fc4--little-brothers-donatello.jpg

https://scontent-ort2-2.cdninstagram.com/vp/4fa45c3fa19122a1dfdbe0cb8686f5e9/5CC6E4D8/t51.2885-15/e35/40366804_478946465919884_7782947624771911680_n.jpg ?_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.cdninstagram.com

They kissed? It was hard to tell, April's butt was in the way.

[The Great Saiyaman]

They kissed? It was hard to tell, April's butt was in the way.
They sure had an affinity for showcasing her butt didn't they?

The scene went like this:

Donatello walks up to April who is very enthusiastically chopping wood with an axe.
Donnie: (Slightly scared by just HOW enthusiastically she's chopping wood) Hey April...
April turns around, wipes the sweat off her face.
April: Hi Donnie what's up?
Donnie takes a deep breath, this is going to be tough for him to admit to.
Donnie: I just want you to know that I won't be bothering you with music boxes anymore, I get it now. Bigfoot was to Donnie as Donnie was to April. (very big sigh) I'm...just a mutant.
As he says this April's facial expression goes from Concerned to a warm smile.
April: You're not "Just a mutant" Donnie...
She leans in and gives him a full on kiss on his lips.
https://33.media.tumblr.com/9604013ec4928a4140581aa77a3df072/tumblr_ndghm7Dpov1ru4uduo1_400.gif
April: ...You're MY mutant!
As she darts off, Donnie remains standing with a baffled look on his face.
Donnie: I understand...nothing...

[IndigoErth]

Are we sure it's really on the lips though...? Could just be close on the cheek...but we'll neeeeever know.

And then the Ice Cream Kitty music video clearly went there so, that's that.

[turtle1237]

Are we sure it's really on the lips though...? Could just be close on the cheek...but we'll neeeeever know.

And then the Ice Cream Kitty music video clearly went there so, that's that.

But is the video cannon? lol, Shredder back from the dead?

I will never know base on the kiss scene if it was the cheek or lips. We caught the END of the kiss when they part. The other half of that scene was a full close up screen cover shot of April's butt. 99 percent of that scene was April's butt, and 1 percent or less was the kiss lol.

I don't know why they animated it like that? Were they only allow to show so much kiss and like well we cant show the entire kiss, so lets have this super tight close up of April's butt. Because of that, I am still debating all these years later if it was on the lips or on the cheek lol.

[superstaff]

I will never know base on the kiss scene if it was the cheek or lips. We caught the END of the kiss when they part. The other half of that scene was a full close up screen cover shot of April's butt. 99 percent of that scene was April's butt, and 1 percent or less was the kiss lol.

I don't know why they animated it like that? Were they only allow to show so much kiss and like well we cant show the entire kiss, so lets have this super tight close up of April's butt. Because of that, I am still debating all these years later if it was on the lips or on the cheek lol.

Eh. Based on the gif above, and my own perceptions from watching the scene in the episode, I'd say she gave him a kiss on lips. When they part, Donatello's lips seem puckered, as if he kissed her back briefly. That's my take.

Anyway, I didn't just revive this thread just to respond to this, lol.

My favorite love interest for Raphael is Ninjara, with Alopex being a close second. I just love the way both of those relationships were built up, and displayed in their respective comics. There's a lot of depth there, both girls seem to understand and support Raph. Just really great basis for a solid love story. Sadly, Ninjara/Raph ended on a sad note, though I dig it. I enjoy tragic romances too.

As for the other turtles...

Leo: It's tough to pick a love interest for him that I like. Although I kind of enjoy the 'Batman/Catwoman' type of relationship he has with Karai in 2012, not sure if I'd see them being together long term. But he and Karai feels...right somehow. But also not.

Don: There's not much to choose from. Maybe Irma in 1987? Though isn't Irma in her late 20s like April is? :lol:

I kind of like the Don/April ship in 2012 once he mellows out, and stops obsessing over her. It's subtle, though this happens much later in the series. I think probably after the aforementioned Big Foot episode, in fact. They have some solid interactions. Though in the end, meh, it doesn't really feel satisfying or romantic at all. 4.5/10?

Mikey: Seri from the Mirage comics. Loved that relationship for him.

[triplexxx]

For Raphael's love interests, I believe there was also Joi in 2k3.

[CyberCubed]

I don't even know how the Turtles can have girlfriends, they don't have a penis so I don't know how they get together.

[IndigoErth]

Well obviously not included in the design, ya oddball.

But as turtles, they'd have one of those just as well as they have a heart, lungs, etc that you also never see. :tconfuse:

[CyberCubed]

I'm pretty sure real Turtles don't have those either. I mean you don't see anything but the underside of a shell.

[IndigoErth]

Kidding, right? If not, well... then you're the last remaining person yet to be permanently scarred by the truth. Time for you to lose your innocence and go ask Google...

[superstaff]

Kidding, right? If not, well... then you're the last remaining person yet to be permanently scarred by the truth. Time for you to lose your innocence and go ask Google...

YEP.

I remember researching turtle anatomy years ago, and...yeah. Innocence: Lost.

[Leo656]

I honestly wonder just how many female TMNT fans have Googled turtle penis over the years because they just HAD to know for the sake of their own curiosity.

I'm gonna make a conservative estimate and say... 100%. :lol:

...Which explains why there are so many female TMNT fans, I guess. :lol::trazz:

[Galactus]

I honestly wonder just how many female TMNT fans have Googled turtle penis over the years because they just HAD to know for the sake of their own curiosity.

I'm gonna make a conservative estimate and say... 100%. :lol:


That sounds like an admission to me.

[Leo656]

I'm a guy, doofus.

But I do know that my wife has. :lol:

[IndigoErth]

You telling me a lot of men still wouldn't wonder what's up with that? LOL


Pretty sure the internet being what it is had already randomly made me aware of that horror before I came back to this franchise. Can't say these boys caused any further need to know about the real life nature of things -- you see it once and that's enough o.O

[Galactus]

I'm a guy, doofus.

But I do know that my wife has. :lol:

Ah I read too fast and missed you saying female fans. Then again I'd say I'd say that more than a few guys would be interested too. It's almost always the first thing I see from new fans checking out the Mirage turtles "they've got penises" either that "are those turds that they can't shake loose?".

[Mad Dog McMutt]

I don't even know how the Turtles can have girlfriends, they don't have a penis so I don't know how they get together.

I guess you haven't seen the movie ten inch mutant ninja turtles.

[TigerClaw]

I don't even know how the Turtles can have girlfriends, they don't have a penis so I don't know how they get together.
If they have genitals, Would it look like turtle or human genitals? They have human DNA in them.

[superstaff]

If they have genitals, Would it look like turtle or human genitals? They have human DNA in them.

A bit of both, I'd say. :P

[TigerClaw]

A bit of both, I'd say. :P
More then likely. Like I would guess all the feline mutants would have barbed penises.

[superstaff]

More then likely. Like I would guess all the feline mutants would have barbed penises.

Yeah, probably. Just like their physique is a blend of both whatever their animal is supposed to be, and humanoid, I'm guessing other parts of their body would be as well.

[IndigoErth]

Yeaaah... personal preference, I just find it less cringy to assume they lean heavily human-like, while keeping the reptile mechanical aspects since nothing is seen, and just leave it at that. lol

More then likely. Like I would guess all the feline mutants would have barbed penises.

Thank you and goodnight. Dammit it's only 3pm.

[Coola Yagami]

So...... let's compare Raph's girlfriends of all the series? And yet you ignore the real questions.

Which one was better in bed? Which one was most passionate or colder? Which one is most likely to just go down on Raph without him even asking?

[IndigoErth]

You don't think their junk is a real question?? lol I'm sure all those non-turtle/non-reptile girlfriends would say otherwise, wanting to first know what they're signing up for. :tlol:

[TigerClaw]

So...... let's compare Raph's girlfriends of all the series? And yet you ignore the real questions.

Which one was better in bed? Which one was most passionate or colder? Which one is most likely to just go down on Raph without him even asking?
Mona Lisa being a mutant salamander, She would be colder because salamanders are cold blooded. Her salamander skin would have to be as smooth and slippery as a real salamander.

Ninjara or Alopex both having fur would keep Raph very warm during snuggles or cuddles on the bed.

As to who would go down on Raph without notice? Its really hard to tell, It would depend on the sex drive of the animals they mutated too. Foxes do get in heat so there sex drive is really high, Don't know about Salamanders.

[Leo656]

Ninjara has huge tits. Therefore, Ninjara Wins Everything.

You don't think their junk is a real question?? lol I'm sure all those non-turtle/non-reptile girlfriends would say otherwise, wanting to first know what they're signing up for. :tlol:

Ninjara did stick around for a while, and she mostly seemed pretty happy. We can assume much from this. :lol:

[The Great Saiyaman]

Bringing this one up because of something having happened in the IDW comic...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuUde86UcAQmN4v.jpg

In another scene Alopex described Raph as being "Dainty" which had me laughing, she's right of course...

[Coola Yagami]

Ninjara has huge tits. Therefore, Ninjara Wins Everything.



Ninjara did stick around for a while, and she mostly seemed pretty happy. We can assume much from this. :lol:

My only thing with Ninjara is the break up, and how future Raph even asked her to give them another chance when the time comes... and yet the break up still happened and there was no second chance.

It's like telling Abe to skip the theater that one evening and he was like 'eh what the hell, I'm going anyway'.

[Leo656]

My only thing with Ninjara is the break up, and how future Raph even asked her to give them another chance when the time comes... and yet the break up still happened and there was no second chance.

It's like telling Abe to skip the theater that one evening and he was like 'eh what the hell, I'm going anyway'.

I don't doubt that much of that had a lot to do with the book's abrupt cancellation. As I understand it, Ninjara definitely would've been back "eventually" if the book hadn't gotten cancelled. The break-up arc wasn't supposed to be the book's penultimate storyline, it just turned out that way.

Who knows? If the book had kept going she may have gone on to become a permanent fixture of the TMNT cast across multiple media. Maybe not, but maybe. If the book had kept going and she and Raphael picked up their relationship again and it became "permanent", it's not out of the realm of possibility that it would come up when the time came to do another cartoon, comic, etc.

But yeah, I hated the actual execution of the break-up in-story. For one thing, the way it's presented we're clearly supposed to empathize with Ninjara over Raph's "bad attitude", when in the story we see Mokoshan CLEARLY flirting with her right in front of Raphael, repeatedly, and Ninjara clearly being receptive, repeatedly. To my eyes, Then and Now, that makes Mokoshan a jerk and Ninjara kind of a c*nt, while Raphael might be a bit overreactive, but his feelings are also the correct and proper feelings to have in that situation. The fact that we find out later on (through the Furrlough story) that Mokoshan in fact impregnated Ninjara shortly afterwards definitively proves that his intentions towards Ninjara were never innocent from the jump, so her defense of him to Raphael and all of her "Stop being a paranoid jerk!" stuff is even more hollow. He was obviously trying to f*ck her even when she was with Raphael, and if anything it read to me like he at least somewhat manipulated the situation to better facilitate that outcome, which worked.

Then she gives Raph the "You're just too much of a grouch and I'm over it, and also, My Needs Aren't Being Met" speech, and he AGREES with her despite the fact that in this specific case he didn't do anything wrong, and then it ends. We're obviously supposed to read it as her being the good guy and Raph being the jerk, but I saw it as the complete opposite. None of it ever sat right with me.

My fics are like a hybrid of the 1990 movie universe mixed with the Archie TMNTA elements, among other things, and in my version of the break-up I just flat-out had Ninjara cheat on Raphael with Mokoshan and him catching them in the act, thus the break-up. It just felt about a thousand percent more honest and realistic, that way.

[Coola Yagami]

Ugh... yeah I hate those kinds of break ups where the woman was wrong but portrayed as the 'good guy' and the guy being the jerk. You agree as a kid but going back to it as an adult you're like 'hey wait a minute..... so and so did nothing wrong?"

IDK, I never liked women like that. Like if you're taken and a dude flirts with you, you don't play along, you shut that **** down. Then they show clear interest in this guy but still have the nerve to get mad when their guy accuses them, when they do in fact intend to cheat. It's like they either get mad at being called out as a cheater (but if the shoe fits...) or they want to their guy to just be oblivious and allow her to cheat. It's like the more they flutter their lashes at the other guy, the more they want you to get angry, so that when you do get angry, it gives them an excuse to cheat because 'oh my boyfriend is so mean'.

Reminds me of the Macho Man situation. Sure he was overzealous and kept Elizabeth locked away from other guys to make sure she wouldn't cheat, and I obviously don't condone that, but what does she do when she gets a taste of freedom? Cheat. Very first chance she got too. Again, don't condone Macho's tactics but she proved him right. You know how you prove Macho Man wrong and the better way to make him look like a crazy overprotective guy? YOU DON'T CHEAT.

Call it previous experience, but it always hits a nerve when I see people act like that. Just don't. Or leave. But don't cheat on your partner, but break it off.

[Leo656]

Oh, yeah, I bring up the Liz example all the time. Especially since she got remarried and then cheated on THAT husband with Lex Luger almost immediately after she married the guy. I was a fan of Liz the Character, but Liz the Person clearly didn't think very much of the institution of marriage OR the concept of monogamy/fidelity, considering how easily and quickly she cheated on BOTH of her husbands as soon as the opportunity arose.

People love to cite Savage as a jerk who "drove her to it", but he might've known things we didn't know. Like maybe early on in their relationship he caught her being flirty with guys, or something, and after that got super-paranoid and decided to put his foot down and be like, "You're just not talking to other guys, period." And by all accounts, nothing "drove" her to cheat on her second husband with Luger aside from the fact that she and Lex both had a hobby of drinking too much and popping pain pills, at that point in their lives. OH, and the fact they both cheated on their spouses at any opportunity, that's also kind of relevant.

There's also the fact that ALL of the other guys in the locker room wanted to f*ck Liz, and made no secret of it, and Savage knew that, so why would he let her be around them by herself? Those guys were already cheating on their own wives constantly, so it's a given they'd try and get with Liz if they had any chance to do so. So Randy was in a sh*t situation as a married guy - he loves the girl, but can't leave her home by herself because she probably can't be trusted. So he brings her on the road, surrounded by a bunch of guys knowing that THEY can't be trusted, either, but at least he can sometimes keep an eye on her. Then his paranoia gets him to a point where his possessiveness becomes heavy-handed, but what choice did he have, really? And then, as noted, the first chance she gets, she cheats on him, then tries to excuse it by making it HIS fault.

And chicks wonder why guys tend to expect that kind of behavior.