Does Krang count as a second arch-enemy?

[Toxin45]

in most versions Krang is one of the main villains of the TMNT franchise alongside Shredder and in some incarnations such as the 2012 series and out of shadows film he replaced shredder as the main villain and even in some of the IDW comics he had a role in the turtles origins and had become their most personal enemy in some versions next to Shredder and in their injustice 2 appearance Krang was their arch-enemy with Shredder being his right-hand which is kinda weird to see since Shredder was their usual main villain in the franchise but dang. I mean most superheroes and non-superheroes have more than one arch-enemy like Batman has both Joker and Ra's Al ghul and Spider-man has both Green Goblin and Doc Ock as well as Superman having both Brainiac and Lex Luthor. It looks like TMNT has now two arch-enemies in the franchise and those are Shredder and Krang.

[Andrew NDB]

Mirage: No
Fred Wolf: Yes
Archie: No (was in it barely and not an arch enemy)
Original trilogy + 2007: No
4Kids: No
PD Films: Yes
IDW: Yes
Nick2012: No ("Krang" is not a character in that)
Rise: No

Looks like it's mostly "nos," so not really. Give Nickelodeon enough time and Fred Wolf recyclings, though, and I'm sure he would win the long game.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

When Krang or the Kraang stand alone, definately.

[Toxin45]

Mirage: No
Fred Wolf: Yes
Archie: No (was in it barely and not an arch enemy)
Original trilogy + 2007: No
4Kids: No
PD Films: Yes
IDW: Yes
Nick2012: No ("Krang" is not a character in that)
Rise: No

Looks like it's mostly "nos," so not really. Give Nickelodeon enough time and Fred Wolf recyclings, though, and I'm sure he would win the long game.

So it's okay for you to make Shredder their default arch-enemy?

[Andrew NDB]

So it's okay for you to make Shredder their default arch-enemy?

I'm kind of OK with them having no "arch enemy." That is a construct of, like, traditional superhero stuff. The TMNT are not that, or at least they're not supposed to be that. They're not even supposed to be "heroes."

[Toxin45]

I'm kind of OK with them having no "arch enemy." That is a construct of, like, traditional superhero stuff. The TMNT are not that, or at least they're not supposed to be that. They're not even supposed to be "heroes."

Nah they are now due you always live in the past and in later incarnations they evoloted from that and did you read volume 2,3,and 4, plus spin-offs? now in Archie and IDW comics plus tv shows,movies,and video games pretty much made them superheroes at this point so just accept it dude. Also Mirage was more of a turtles trying to live daily lives and in archie and idw their fight bad guys.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Nah they are now due you always live in the past and in later incarnations they evoloted from that and did you read volume 2,3,and 4, plus spin-offs? now in Archie and IDW comics plus tv shows,movies,and video games pretty much made them superheroes at this point so just accept it dude. Also Mirage was more of a turtles trying to live daily lives and in archie and idw their fight bad guys.

Mirage/Image, all four volumes, the Turtles are NEVER heroes. They're heroic, but they're not heroes.

Hell, I wouldn't even say they're heroes in IDW.

[Toxin45]

Mirage/Image, all four volumes, the Turtles are NEVER heroes. They're heroic, but they're not heroes.

Hell, I wouldn't even say they're heroes in IDW.

Well they aren't superheroes but yeah they are in some tv adaptions. They were freaking parodies of Daredevil a superhero dude. Also even no superhero stories have arch-enemies.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Well they aren't superheroes but yeah they are in some tv adaptions. They were freaking parodies of Daredevil a superhero dude. Also even no superhero stories have arch-enemies.

They have never been superheroes with powers in any adaptation, except the Japanese OVA (and the Superturtles on alternate Earth).

[Andrew NDB]

Well they aren't superheroes but yeah they are in some tv adaptions. They were freaking parodies of Daredevil a superhero dude. Also even no superhero stories have arch-enemies.

Both Kevin and Peter have flat out said that TMNT is not a "parody" of Daredevil, or anything else. Elements of homage do not a parody make. Not that that's relevant.

They aren't crime fighters, nor would they have any reason to be.

[Toxin45]

Both Kevin and Peter have flat out said that TMNT is not a "parody" of Daredevil, or anything else. Elements of homage do not a parody make. Not that that's relevant.

They aren't crime fighters, nor would they have any reason to be.

Well true they still fought villains though in every continuity regardless that was mirage, then archie,and now idw.

[Andrew NDB]

Well true they still fought villains though in every continuity regardless.

Of course. But it's one thing to actively patrol for villains, seeking out villains and looking for crimes to stop (i.e., fighting crime and being a hero) and another to be trained all your life to kill one man, and then occasionally run into "bad guys" who you run afoul of and have to kill.

[Toxin45]

Of course. But it's one thing to actively patrol for villains, seeking out villains and looking for crimes to stop (i.e., fighting crime and being a hero) and another to be trained all your life to kill one man, and then occasionally run into "bad guys" who you run afoul of and have to kill.

Well that was Mirage comics and they still do kill in IDW but rarely and archie did have some deaths but that was it Shredder was still a crimelord dude. Also You need stop reminding people we already know about Mirage it was an early installment weirdness.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The turtles' original Fred Wolf ambition was to find the ones who turned Hamato Yoshi into a rat, and force him or her (they didn't know who at the time) if he or she was still alive to turn their sensei back into Human again.

[Toxin45]

The turtles' original Fred Wolf ambition was to find the ones who turned Hamato Yoshi into a rat, and force him or her (they didn't who at the time) if he or she was still alive to turn their sensei back into Human again.

So who was it? Shredder I presume?

[neatoman]

Mirage: No
Fred Wolf: Yes
Archie: No (was in it barely and not an arch enemy)
Original trilogy + 2007: No
4Kids: No
PD Films: Yes
IDW: Yes
Nick2012: No ("Krang" is not a character in that)
Rise: No

Looks like it's mostly "nos," so not really. Give Nickelodeon enough time and Fred Wolf recyclings, though, and I'm sure he would win the long game.

I'd consider the IDW case as "questionable". He's important to the overall narrative as his actions have serious consequences and appears a lot in the first 20 issues. However after those first 20 he doesn't really show up that much. He has a meeting with Shredder to foreshadow the Technodrome arc, once that 4 issue arc is up he's thrown in prison. Then (aside from a flashback) it takes another 25 issues or so for him to appear and he pretty much only does so to... Well, see for yourself:
https://img.fireden.net/co/image/1508/96/1508965811314.jpg
The only "appearence" so far after that is clearly an hallucination.

[Toxin45]

I'd consider the IDW case as "questionable". He's important to the overall narrative as his actions have serious consequences and appears a lot in the first 20 issues. However after those first 20 he doesn't really show up that much. He has a meeting with Shredder to foreshadow the Technodrome arc, once that 4 issue arc is up he's thrown in prison. Then (aside from a flashback) it takes another 25 issues or so for him to appear and he pretty much only does so to... Well, see for yourself:
https://img.fireden.net/co/image/1508/96/1508965811314.jpg
The only "appearence" so far after that is clearly an hallucination.

Fair Enough Even Shredder got his own mini series in the afterlife while Krang isn't seen so far in the Shredder in Hell mini series.

[pferreira]

Mirage/Image, all four volumes, the Turtles are NEVER heroes. They're heroic, but they're not heroes.Yeah even the FW series made a point to show that difference by having an 'actual' superhero turn up.

[Prowler]

The turtles' original Fred Wolf ambition was to find the ones who turned Hamato Yoshi into a rat, and force him or her (they didn't know who at the time) if he or she was still alive to turn their sensei back into Human again.
But in the season 2 or 3 episode where Donatello is able to turn Splinter(it only lasts for like an afternoon) human again Splinter ends up giving up on the idea of becoming a human again because he found humans were assholes. SO he ends up happily living as a mutated rat for the rest of his life.

There was also the idea of defeating Shredder and making Splinter the leader of the Foot Clan once again, although at some point what was even the Foot Clan anymore, anyway? Shredder, Krang, bebop and Rocksteady and a bunch of robotic foot soldiers? In Turtle Tracks we know that Shredder's Foot Clan was terrorising Japan and had turned into a criminal organisation. What ever happened to that? Never was mentioned again.

So who was it? Shredder I presume?
Yes.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Foot Clan anymore, anyway? Shredder, Krang, bebop and Rocksteady and a bunch of robotic foot soldiers?

I don't know if they were considered the Foot Clan, just Shredder's allies (same with Bebop's and Rocksteady's gang and Baxter Stockman).

[Utrommaniac]

I'd consider the IDW case as "questionable". He's important to the overall narrative as his actions have serious consequences and appears a lot in the first 20 issues. However after those first 20 he doesn't really show up that much. He has a meeting with Shredder to foreshadow the Technodrome arc, once that 4 issue arc is up he's thrown in prison. Then (aside from a flashback) it takes another 25 issues or so for him to appear and he pretty much only does so to... Well, see for yourself:
https://img.fireden.net/co/image/1508/96/1508965811314.jpg
The only "appearence" so far after that is clearly an hallucination.

As a secondary "arch villain"...I don't know, the extra-dimensional/extra-terrestrial warlord with technology the likes beyond which the Earth has ever seen, with an empire spread across multiple galaxies probably is probably going to be a bigger priority over a gang leader with his head stuck in the 16th century, as Don kept saying.

Now, I could see him being Donatello's greatest enemy if they would interact a lot more. That would have been awesome in IDW, for all the time Don put in trying to stop more, I don't even think they've exchanged a word with each other. Just sorta stood in the same room twice, maybe. But for the turtles as a collective, not really.

He just hasn't been in enough material to break that ground. He didn't do enough in OT to make a big break in the turtles impression on him as a threat (so low impact, they called it "Shredder's Technodrome"), and was pushed out of the way pretty quickly in IDW (probably opening space for the bigger threat that is Ch'rell to be angry in)

(I had entire thing written down...and then I realized I misunderstood the statement...I thought it was questionable villainy...)

[Toxin45]

As a secondary "arch villain"...I don't know, the extra-dimensional/extra-terrestrial warlord with technology the likes beyond which the Earth has ever seen, with an empire spread across multiple galaxies probably is probably going to be a bigger priority over a gang leader with his head stuck in the 16th century, as Don kept saying.

Now, I could see him being Donatello's greatest enemy if they would interact a lot more. That would have been awesome in IDW, for all the time Don put in trying to stop more, I don't even think they've exchanged a word with each other. Just sorta stood in the same room twice, maybe. But for the turtles as a collective, not really.

He just hasn't been in enough material to break that ground.

(I had entire thing written down...and then I realized I misunderstood the statement...I thought it was questionable villainy...)

Yeah I agree maybe in later versions he would share a special rivalry with Donatello

[MikeandRaph87]

Overall? No. If he exist then yes! He is the co-#1 villain in vain of Spidey's trinity of darkness.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I'd say that in FW, IDW, and Nick, at least, then yes. (I am counting Krang Sub-Prime here, since he technically WAS "Krang" and all the rest were hive-mind minions). That said, I think he had a bigger impact than we think, even elsewhere. He is the final boss in the original TMNT Arcade game, not to mention the one behind the threat in Manhattan Project. He was still Shredder's co-villain/partner in Archie, even if he had less impact there. PD, he was.... Well, we won't talk about those. Even in 2k3, he (or Ch'rell in his role) was still one of the biggest threats. (I love how they lampshaded Krang by including him among the Utroms as they left Earth via the trans-mat portal). So, yes, certainly. He didn't even exist yet in Mirage(and still doesn't), before the FW introduced him as a character, so I don't think that actually evencounts as a source.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

In the Original Cartoon, I felt that Krang was even bigger bad than Shredder, who was a bigger bad than Bebop and Rocksteady.

Krang was usually the one giving orders, law less of the action personally, was usually much more competent than Shredder, and had all that technology at his disposal.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

In the Original Cartoon, I felt that Krang was even bigger bad than Shredder, who was a bigger bad than Bebop and Rocksteady.

One thing that would be interesting is if Krang programmed his android robot with Shredder's ninjutsu and Japanese martial arts skills (by zapping Shredder with a ray, copying Shredder's mind and programme the copyfile into Krang's robot). Then the turtles would be in serious trouble...

[pferreira]

But in the season 2 or 3 episode where Donatello is able to turn Splinter(it only lasts for like an afternoon) human again Splinter ends up giving up on the idea of becoming a human again because he found humans were assholes. SO he ends up happily living as a mutated rat for the rest of his life.In Splinter No More they pretty much wrapped up that storyline. Not sure if it was a good idea to do it that soon but it worked out okay I guess.

Krang was usually the one giving orders, law less of the action personally, was usually much more competent than Shredder, and had all that technology at his disposal.Exactly! Not all the time but sometimes Krang showed he had the upper hand.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Well they aren't superheroes

The turtles aren't superhumans, as they have no superhuman abilities compared to humans on Earth.

But they are superturtles. How many other turtles on Earth can walk on two legs, talk, think, fight bad guys?