Outside human race/species romance in fiction!

[Egon1982]

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Valentine's month is here.

Ever noticed there's alot of outside species/outside human race romance in general fiction these days? i mean like Legend of Zelda games (Ruto and Link being an elf and a fish woman), Doctor Who (Vastra and Jenny), Regular Show (Margaret's parents being a bird furry woman and a human male to Skips and Mona), Wolf Children (Hana and her wolf-man husband whom are the parents of the title hybrid kids in that anime movie), Bojack Horseman ( furries with different ones even a human male married to a deer furry woman and they have a family), Voltron Legendary Defender (Hunk and Shay), Hellboy (Elf X fish person with a creature-man and a sorceress), Hatton Slayden's amazing artworks of human males/elf males with furry/xeno/mutant/cyborg females, Mass Effect, Star Wars, Skyrim, Warcraft the movie (elf X orc and even a human man married to an orc female and conceived a hybrid) etc.?

I mean xenos, furries, mutants and cyborgs in stories are people who are and look different and do you not mind outside species/race of being romance in stories especially humans with furries, xenos, mutants and cyborgs? none of it's "beastality" because that's only for lower 4 legged animal creatures because 4 legged feral animal creatures don't want to make love to humans or humanoids in general because they can't give consent for romance. As furries, xenos, mutants and cyborgs are people who are and look different as they are not always "inferior" like in some stories and can give consent as they can even conceive children with any race/species of being as they have language, cultures and all. There's nothing wrong with love between two consenting adult beings and love between two teens.

In the past they were rare like Star Trek (xenos with different ones even with androids and humans), Murray and Polly in the 80s Mighty Mouse series (pictured here) Gargoyles (Eliza and Goliath to Demona and Macbeth), Blade Runner, Armitage III, Catherine/Vincent in the 80s Ron Perlman starring Beauty and the Beast series (remember that one?), Biker Mice (Vinny and Charlene),Splash, Alien Nation (Cathy and Matt) (Remember that show and movie series?), Hepzibah and Corsair in Marvel comics (even other Marvel interspecies romances like Howard and Beverly to Lilandra being a bird xeno with a mutant lover named Xavier to Carly and Beast on X-Men TAS). Yet nowadays we accept these romances in sci-fi/fantasy mainstream shows/games, animated shows, books, movies and all that outside internet fanfiction and artworks. Like for example i'm writing a story series whereJulie Bruin from tiny toons is romancing a human male as in later chapters they will get married and have hybrid kids as both Minerva and the human dude are consenting adult beings.

I see these relationships in stories as allegories to mixed ethnic romance (despite for when there is human involved in furry/xeno/mutant/cyborg relationships there is technically some humans with different skin colors/ethnicity romancing xeno furry mutant and cyborg ladies) and same gender romance even liking someone of a different culture and all that. The idea in these stories is overcoming differences of surface and learning to accept those who are different by their surface and not to judge anyone by how they look but accept them by their personality and special skills/abilities.

afterall love is love. Like Prince Lir in The Last Unicorn (book and movie) once said when he found out about Lady Amalthea's secret he did said "Unicorn, mermaid, sorceress, gorgon, vampire, gargoyle, genie...no name you can give her would surprise or frighten me, i love whom i love", and that is one of my favorite quotes.

[neatoman]

You forgot Superman.
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[FredWolfLeonardo]

I hate inter-species romance.

[Krutch]

I hate inter-species romance.
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[Candy Kappa]

Humans are willing to bone anything, and our Fantasy and Sci-Fi reflects that.

[IndigoErth]

Don't forget one of the newest entries, the human/fish-man pairing in "The Shape of Water"... (And he doesn't even appear to have quite the same level of intelligence and can't speak so I guess he never really quite consents, she just goes for it, so wtf, woman.)

Humans have a long, looong history of this stuff. I mean, look at some of the stuff that goes on in various mythologies around the world. All this is simply the modern continuation of the weird interests of humankind.

[Egon1982]

Humans are willing to bone anything, and our Fantasy and Sci-Fi reflects that.

And this isn't just exclusive to humans having affairs with furries, xenos, cyborgs and mutants but there's different beings like Elves with other xenos, elf X gargoyle, gargoyle X mutant, xeno x furry, cyborg X xeno and more.

[Allio]

Some
canon

Red Riding Hood/Big Bad Wolf
Ray/Jenny from Ghostbusters
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NobuharuxCandy from Kyoryuger


Noncanon:
RobinxChopper
Cerise Hood (half Wolf) x Kitty Cheshire (Cheshire Cat)
LeomonxMimi
MayxBlaziken
Raven Queen x Faybelle Thorn (Fairy)
ZaryaxPiper(elf)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Don't forget one of the newest entries, the human/fish-man pairing in "The Shape of Water"... (And he doesn't even appear to have quite the same level of intelligence and can't speak so I guess he never really quite consents, she just goes for it, so wtf, woman.)

Humans have a long, looong history of this stuff. I mean, look at some of the stuff that goes on in various mythologies around the world. All this is simply the modern continuation of the weird interests of humankind.


No, he definitely does. He is not only intelligent, but communicates with her via sign language, owing mainly to language barriers and the fact that she is mute. But he not only consents but even initiates/encourages her affection and attention. Just watched it a couple of weeks ago. The merdude was smart enough to learn sign language in just weeks, and enjoyed music, even dancing with her at one point.

[IndigoErth]

Eh.. but then he still gets to her (or was it her friend's?) house and is running around on the floor chasing the cat, and eventually kills and eats it, so... Not saying there isn't any intelligence there, but it kind of disappointed me some as I really expected a greater intelligence to end up being revealed by that point in the film. At least enough to have a full sign language-based conversation and not be interested in eating the pets. I liked the film okay, but was kind of lacking to me in his character development (and relationship development).


But if people can be deal with her and the fish man, then hell... makes a mutant Turtle and human hitting it off look pretty manageable someday. lol Those boys are a heck of a lot more human.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Ah yes, the cat. That was meant to simply show how he didn't really know anything about human culture, having pets, or tabboos. In other words, basic "civilized" customs, since he was from a WHOLE different world, as it were. I mean, he came from the Amazon reagion, for one, and lived in the sea. No cats there, so he probably just thought it was food. He apologized after the old guy explained about not eating pets. So, yeah, he was plenty intelligent.

[Allio]

really enjoyed the movie and I think the best part of the film is you don't really know if the beast actually liked her. I mean with the whole "dream-like" world and the fantatsies the woman has and the interpretation of the words that are at the end of the film, an argument can be made that he is simply an animal.

[Egon1982]

Eh.. but then he still gets to her (or was it her friend's?) house and is running around on the floor chasing the cat, and eventually kills and eats it, so... Not saying there isn't any intelligence there, but it kind of disappointed me some as I really expected a greater intelligence to end up being revealed by that point in the film. At least enough to have a full sign language-based conversation and not be interested in eating the pets. I liked the film okay, but was kind of lacking to me in his character development (and relationship development).


But if people can be deal with her and the fish man, then hell... makes a mutant Turtle and human hitting it off look pretty manageable someday. lol Those boys are a heck of a lot more human.

Do you think Vincent in the Beauty and the Beast series, Polly in the New Mighty Mouse episodes, the Mass Effect xenos, Minerva Mink, any of the xeno and furry women in Hatton Slayden's artworks, Vastra on Doctor Who, the Wolf-Man (aka Hana's lover and who is the father of the title kids) in Wolf Children (ever seen that 2012 Japanese animated fantasy drama?), Goliath, Demona, Abe Sapien, Ruto etc. are way more intelligent than the creature in Shape as they actually speak and all?

[Egon1982]

Anyone seen Wolf Children?

[turtle1237]

Am I in the wrong if I prefer the elf mage Rinna from Shining Resonance over any human female in the game? lol

[Egon1982]

Am I in the wrong if I prefer the elf mage Rinna from Shining Resonance over any human female in the game? lol

Nothing wrong with that especially since xenos can refer to magical creature folk or extra-terrestrials or liking a furry lady or mutant lady or cyborg.

Let's not forget Link and Ruto an elf and fish person.

[Leo656]

I like that the thread title has an exclamation point. It ascribes the topic a certain urgency. I enjoy that.

[Egon1982]

Hell in the old TMNT, a interdimensional elf girl Kala had a brief relationship with Mikey.

Do you see these relationships in stories as allegories to real life romances of mixed ethnic romance (despite for when there are humans involved in furry/xeno/mutant/cyborg relationships there is technically some humans with different skin colors/ethnicity romancing xeno furry mutant and cyborg folk) and same gender romance even liking someone of a different culture and all tha? The idea in these stories is overcoming differences of surface and learning to accept those who are different by their surface and not to judge anyone by how they look but accept them by their personality and special skills/abilities

And for anyone who seen or read the book/movie of The Last Unicorn, do you know what Prince lir means by his quote when he found out Lady Amalthea's secret?

[Leo656]

Well, sure, in the sense of, "It's taboo but who're they really hurting?" Pretty sure that the allegory is always inherently the point, or at least part of the point.

Like as a kid watching Rescue Rangers, I was (and remain) convinced that they were all running a daily train on Gadget and never even thought about the fact that she was a mouse and Chip and Dale were chipmunks until someone pointed it out years later.

...Boy, part of me wishes I hadn't told anyone that. :lol:

[TommyT]

Some animals have more than one sex organ... I’m sure a lot of women would be thrilled. Happens in primates too, but whatever you do, don’t google diphallia.

Personally fur or scales are a turn off, but I’m betting there are quite a free here that would be down for Turtle D.

[Wildcat]

I found this not too long ago.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/W233kQ

The quality is so good for a fan art imo. I knows there’s other well made fan cgi out there but I love this. Don’t judge me :lol:

It’s not “nightmare fuel” either so it I think it shows a live action looney tunes could be done and remain character accurate.

[Leo656]

Looking at that makes me wonder, I forget if it's Lola or Krystal from Star Fox who everyone supposedly gets a "Furry Pass" for. :lol: Y'know, the whole "Everybody gets One/It's not weird if it's them specifically" kinda thing. :lol:

Of course, add Cleo from Heathcliff into the conversation and it skews all the data to the point where it's no longer quantifiable to any accurate degree.

[Wildcat]

I want someone to make some Sally Acorn pics like this. :D

I wish I could do cgi work. I’d try and learn if I had a proper computer to run programs on. I’ve only ever used basic photoshop.

[Leo656]

I want someone to make some Sally Acorn pics like this. :D


You know as well as I that the world ain't ready, kid. :lol:

No seriously I think people would get hurt. Possibly worse. At the least, there'd be accidents. People glued to their phones when they're driving or operating heavy machinery or making cheese and crackers, and that's how people get hurt.

You don't want that, do ya?

[Wildcat]

Haha, no it’s time. We have the technology. :lol:

I’m surprised these Lola Bunny pics never got more attention. I mean the way things spread online. I only saw some DeviantArt comments.

They don’t seem to be posted or mentioned anywhere except art profiles. I found it myself because I specifically searched it.

[Leo656]

I can't fathom why more people don't want that kinda thing in their search history and don't pass it around more often. Beats the absolute hell outta me. Must be a conspiracy. :lol:

You're Alright, You.

[turtle1237]

Haha, no it’s time. We have the technology. :lol:

I’m surprised these Lola Bunny pics never got more attention. I mean the way things spread online. I only saw some DeviantArt comments.

They don’t seem to be posted or mentioned anywhere except art profiles. I found it myself because I specifically searched it.

I was never into furries lol. Something about Lola(Space Jam version) being a rabbit just didn't do it for me. Yeah she may of had a knockout "Human" like body, but once you see the fur and rabbit ears I was like no. Kid me was more into April O'Neil or Rogue from 90's X-Men. Yeah it was so worth getting into a coma just for one kiss from Rogue lol. Just ask Gambit.

[Sumac]

Why this is a thread?

Also, that thing in the first post on this page is...ugh...my nightmares looks less horrifying than this.

[IndigoErth]

And for anyone who seen or read the book/movie of The Last Unicorn, do you know what Prince lir means by his quote when he found out Lady Amalthea's secret?
Ah, I literally just watched this the other day for the first time in years. :D I don't quite recall the quote... was it him saying that he loved her no matter what she was, or something of that nature? I did get to wondering about him trying to get with her while watching this...and how this was literally shrugged off back in the day as kids and no one cared. lol

I did wish it has turned out he was a Unicorn too and just didn't remember...


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The Turtles never really bothered me in this regard, since shelly bits aside, they're otherwise largely just green people who are just a bit more (okay totally) hairless than humans (or most humans) -- with us being rather bare compared to the majority of other mammals -- and not so different in that regard, so it's not hard to give them a pass. They're rather close to the human end on the anthro scale.

Now characters with FUR is a whole other matter and no thank you.

[Powder]

Dude's like a more well spoken Jakesully. Scary.

[PApagreg]

This thread reminds me of something you find in the TwoBestFriendsPlay subreddit, as for the statement I dunno maybe some of it are allegories for racism but I feel as if its the writer/artist living their dream of romancing a being with more xeno characteristics.

Me personally I want to see more of the Human Male/Xeno Female, women have been dating literal monsters while we get boring Neko girls.

[TommyT]

So basically, a lot of freaks in these parts.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Not ashamed to admit it, but yeah. Way I see it looks aren't really important in the long run, it's WHO you are on the inside that counts. If Kala had no issue with a mutant turtle, or Belle could look past having fur all over the furniture, or the aforementioned pairing in Shape of Water, why the heck not? Whatever floats one's boat, is alright with me. (As for androids, Data was programmed with about 600 different "techniques", so.... Yeeoza!)

[Wildcat]

Why this is a thread?

Also, that thing in the first post on this page is...ugh...my nightmares looks less horrifying than this.No. Those pictures are definitely NOT nightmarish or uncanny. It’s very character accurate but with added realistic detail.

[turtle1237]

Not ashamed to admit it, but yeah. Way I see it looks aren't really important in the long run, it's WHO you are on the inside that counts. If Kala had no issue with a mutant turtle, or Belle could look past having fur all over the furniture, or the aforementioned pairing in Shape of Water, why the heck not? Whatever floats one's boat, is alright with me. (As for androids, Data was programmed with about 600 different "techniques", so.... Yeeoza!)

I guess its asking a lot just to be HUMAN?

[Sumac]

No. Those pictures are definitely NOT nightmarish or uncanny. It’s very character accurate but with added realistic detail.
In another words, yes, they are creepy. :lol:

Way I see it looks aren't really important in the long run, it's WHO you are on the inside that counts.
It is motto of the ugly people.
And I don't think you'd date someone who looks extremely gross, no matter how much open-minded and free-thinking you pretend to be. :P

[Wildcat]

Then what about Sonic (redesign) and Pikachu? They got the same treatment but do not look creepy.

It’s funny, aside from the Bay movies and some other masks or whatever Ive never seen the live action turtles described as creepy or uncanny.

I do not think they are I’m just saying you’d think people might since they have humanoid heads, no hair and green skin.

These Lola pics perfectly balanced the realistic element. In a movie the quality of cgi would probably be higher but I mean the design/model.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

In another words, yes, they are creepy. :lol:


It is motto of the ugly people.
And I don't think you'd date someone who looks extremely gross, no matter how much open-minded and free-thinking you pretend to be. :P


Wow, so you know what kind of guy I'd date(20 yrs married as of May this year, but whatevs)?! :teek: :tlol: :trazz: :trolleye: PLEASE, tell me MORE about my own preferences in a mate! (Also, define "gross". Are we talking scales, fins, and gills? Cause I don't mind those. Or is this like your average buck-toothed, foul-breathed, pig-eyed, drooling, fat hillbilly moron? Cause in that case, it's more the IQ I'd find off-putting, but the whole package would be a red flag that there is nothing there worth looking into.....)

As for "ugly people", looks can be extremely subjective depending on one's personal tastes. Most people probably would not think my mate is "attractive" in any conventional sense, but I happen to find him adorable in a geeky way. Rather like Leonard from BBT.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I guess its asking a lot just to be HUMAN?

Why does that even need to be a criteria? Most people have a "type", it's true, but it's not like we as a species (or even as individuals) have a checklist to mark off for traits to look for in our potential partners. Human, alien, other- in fiction, it's all the same, in the end.

[BlimeyBullhop]

Super Goku

[Sumac]

Then what about Sonic (redesign) and Pikachu? They got the same treatment but do not look creepy.
Pikachu is not meant to be human-like and Sonic is basically cartoon animal with added fur. He is not that human-like to be creepy, when done semi-realistically. His old movie design, however, was.

Lola design above, is on the line between "too animal to be human/ too human to be an animal". Basically think of those countless photoshoped pictures of dogs with human eyes.

Are we talking scales, fins, and gills? Cause I don't mind those.
Lies, certified lies.
You won't be able to maintain healthy "full package" relationship with the creature that lays eggs or lives underwater.

I always find this types of answers funny. I too can tell lies about what I'd do in certain situations, but I prefer not to do it, because, it is pointless posturing. And this is why i find "I can have family with a reptile or a frog" type of posts just a meaningless laughable nonsense.

Though, for some reason, I fully expect you to try and **** octopus just to prove me wrong. :lol:

As for "ugly people", looks can be extremely subjective depending on one's personal tastes. Most people probably would not think my mate is "attractive" in any conventional sense, but I happen to find him adorable in a geeky way. Rather like Leonard from BBT.
There is a difference between ugly and average. Most people in fact are average / mediocre.

The lies about "true beauty is on the inside" is such a childish nonsense, nonetheless.

Why does that even need to be a criteria? Most people have a "type", it's true, but it's not like we as a species (or even as individuals) have a checklist to mark off for traits to look for in our potential partners. Human, alien, other- in fiction, it's all the same, in the end.
Humans do indeed have certain traits they usually look in their partners, thanks to the million years of evolution, as well, as some social conditioning.

Also, yes, in fiction it is all the same, however, it applies usually for the ****** fiction. Good fiction, will focus on these problems.

[PApagreg]

Kinda sucks we never saw more of Hunk and Shay, they were the only decent couple in the entire show.

[TommyT]

I totally buy some people being interested in beastiality. It totally exists.

Those people are also mentally ill, but still...

[Wildcat]

Pikachu is not meant to be human-like and Sonic is basically cartoon animal with added fur. He is not that human-like to be creepy, when done semi-realistically. His old movie design, however, was.

Lola design above, is on the line between "too animal to be human/ too human to be an animal". Basically think of those countless photoshoped pictures of dogs with human eyes.Your right about Pikachu. I thought about that afterwards. Sonic though could go either way as we saw. Depending how much the human element is applied. Some of the concepts we saw were in the middle.

Anyway imo those Lola pics are not creepy since they did not up the human element. They just added the details and of course made her 3D.

Here’s another pic I like. Rouge the Bat. Not cgi but well done. This artist has other realistic takes on Sonic characters that are cool to me. I recommend people check them out.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0ymmwuHCig/

[TommyT]

Your right about Pikachu. I thought about that afterwards. Sonic though could go either way as we saw. Depending how much the human element is applied. Some of the concepts we saw were in the middle.

Anyway imo those Lola pics are not creepy since they did not up the human element. They just added the details and of course made her 3D.

Here’s another pic I like. Rouge the Bat. Not cgi but well done. This artist has other realistic takes on Sonic characters that are cool to me. I recommend people check them out.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0ymmwuHCig/

does this turn you on? is that what we're talking about?

[Allio]

are we really kinkshaming?

[Wildcat]

does this turn you on? is that what we're talking about?Well it is the theme of the topic. Being attracted to nonhuman characters. You must know there’s a whole fandom dedicated to it.

There’s nothing wrong with it imo. Just a kink/fetish whatever you want to call it. It’s all in good fun. Everyone has some.

And to be clear I’m NOT into beastiality. There’s an obvious difference between that and anthropomorphic/stylized characters.

I understand not everyone is into it. It’s fine.

[IndigoErth]

They're not even real, so really...imo, who cares, ultimately it's harmless because nothing is happening with it. Personally, I just find it an amusing topic in a way. An odd way. It's interesting to see the opinions and where different people draw the line.

I mean, some may think it's weird to think of the Turtles that way, for example, but look up lists of "hottest" characters and often you have the likes of...adult Simba the lion (animated), for example. :tconfuse: Um. Yeah. And that one seems common. And on lists that had the nerve not to include our Turtles, but there is a regular, albeit talking, walking-on-all-fours cat?? Come on! :tlol:

Imo... if they're bipedal human-like characters capable of both using silverware and being interested in catching a movie and having a lengthy discussion about it after grabbing some dinner... Well then, human and humanoid friend... you do you. (Obviously there are a lot of loved characters that will fail one or more of those traits/capabilities.)

And if it's just existing in someone's random (kinky or not) daydream or creative piece... honestly, who cares? It's not real, so what point is it in playing thought police over someone's imagination. Yeah, I'm sure there's some of it that is pretty weird, but it's not real so... eh.

[Leo656]

Though, for some reason, I fully expect you to try and **** octopus just to prove me wrong. :lol:


Okay, I almost spit out beer because of you. And I think you know how serious that is.

Also, some people pay good money to see sh*t like that, pally! :lol:

Well it is the theme of the topic. Being attracted to nonhuman characters. You must know there’s a whole fandom dedicated to it.

There’s nothing wrong with it imo. Just a kink/fetish whatever you want to call it. It’s all in good fun. Everyone has some.

And to be clear I’m NOT into beastiality. There’s an obvious difference between that and anthropomorphic/stylized characters.

I understand not everyone is into it. It’s fine.

I'd agree with most of this to a point. I've always known plenty of perfectly functional and "normal" people who lean that way. Half the kids I knew in middle school had a crush on Princess Sally and some of those guys are doctors and lawyers now. Maybe they outgrew it, maybe not, but it didn't negatively affect their life in any way whatsoever.

The way I look at it, it's a f*cking cartoon either way so I genuinely don't give a sh*t what people are into. Dr. Ruth used to say "There's no such thing as a 'bad' fantasy, as long as nobody gets hurt." What seems weirder to me than having an unorthodox kink or fetish, is coming down too hard on someone for something that can and will only exist in their own head to begin with. I've known plenty of people who'll admit to lusting after Lola Bunny, but to my knowledge not one of them would ever go and start fondling the inhabitants at the local petting zoo. I honestly think there's a mile or two of difference between one and the other. Now, if and when a person does cross that line it's a different conversation, but I've honestly never heard of it actually happening. I've never heard of anyone who was SO into My Little Pony that they eventually got busted for f*cking an actual horse, for example. Maybe it happens in that order sometimes, but I've never heard of it. Also, most people who get arrested for f*cking horses are women, according to the crazy sh*t that comes on my Yahoo News feed. :lol: But that's neither here nor there, really.

I'm kind of libertarian on sex stuff. People can fantasize about f*cking Jack-O'-Lanterns and even go ahead and do that if they feel like it, just don't ask me to watch or jump in and we're all good. :lol: Somebody wants to jack off to cartoons, what do I care? Whether it's Jessica Rabbit or Lola Bunny, it's not real anyways.

Based on what a lot of people have told me in confidence over the years, I feel like if most things people masturbated to were actually happening in Real Life, and they could be judged and/or punished for them, there'd be a lot more people in jail or the nuthouse, so it's best not to judge anyone for what goes on in the completely fictional realm of their imagination, because at the end of the day everybody's pretty perverted about something. I don't feel it's fair to side-eye someone unless that someone actually starts f*cking their pets or their kids (or someone else's pets or kids). That's an entirely different conversation.

I mean, there's literally zillions of furry porn pics on the internet, so if everyone who was into that was into actual bestiality, then it would simply happen a lot more than it does. So I'm skeptical about how much crossover there actually is. I personally feel it has more to do with cartoon characters being drawn with "sexy" features, some of which have animal traits, than it does with an actual attraction to animals. T&A is T&A, as they say. Everybody likes cheesecake.

I will say, I don't know anyone personally who does the whole convention or furry costume thing. I just know lots and lots of people who like to look at Rule 34 stuff of their cartoon character of choice. To me, the costume/convention thing seems a little extreme, but that has more to do with the time, money, and effort involved than anything else. I don't even think it's practical when people do that stuff at "regular" conventions. But they're having fun, so Bless 'Em, life's too short not to do what makes you happy.
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Or, what Indigo said. :lol: She's way better at being concise than I am, but she's also probably sober and probably didn't get knocked around earlier tonight like I did, so it's not a level playing field. :trazz:

[TommyT]

are we really kinkshaming?

Yes we really are. If Candy Cappa can do it, we all can, right? He's the one telling everyone what is and isn't pervy, on the regular.

[Wildcat]

Ya having a kink or fetish doesn’t mean you’re mentally unstable or something. This must have existed way before the Internet too.

It’s funny how those not into it do generally understand liking a sexy character but if the character has fur or is based on an animal it becomes “wrong”.

I’m sure most of the furry/cartoon/whatever community has no interest in beastiality. Liking an animal based character has nothing to do with being attracted to that real animal.

Lola being a bunny just adds to the novelty imo. Not that Im attracted to real bunnies. It’s hard to put into words. Same with others.

[Leo656]

Yes we really are. If Candy Cappa can do it, we all can, right? He's the one telling everyone what is and isn't pervy, on the regular.

Kappa and I don't agree on much, but off the top of my head I simply cannot recall any examples of this, so I find this accusation puzzling.. Sure they're not just being facetious? Or maybe it's happened in threads I wasn't privy to. I always assumed Kappa was more of a sexual Libertine than anything, but maybe I was reading too much into things. ((Shrug))

Ya having a kink or fetish doesn’t mean you’re mentally unstable or something. This must have existed way before the Internet too.


You are correct. :lol:
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[Wildcat]

That reminds Nostalgia Critic did not like Space Jam. He said something like they just used the Bugs Bunny dress up scenes to make Lola. Said she was unnecessary.

It was in those real thoughts videos he does with the other guy. He was kinda surprised too when he told him what a following she had.

I don’t agree with him on that since making a female counterpart has a been a long trend. Starting with Minnie Mouse. Maybe before that too. I don’t know.

[TommyT]

Kappa and I don't agree on much, but off the top of my head I simply cannot recall any examples of this, so I find this accusation puzzling.. Sure they're not just being facetious? Or maybe it's happened in threads I wasn't privy to. I always assumed Kappa was more of a sexual Libertine than anything, but maybe I was reading too much into things. ((Shrug))
]l

Cappa lost his mind over my April threads. Now anytime I post anything disparaging Rise, he goes on the attack, calling me out as a perv.

The crazy part was, it was a pretty harmless idea that set the whole thing off.
I was curious if April had to be seen as a sex object, if that was a part if what made the dynamic of the OT work. I excluded the young April from Rise, as to me she was clearly a child, but left April of 2012 in, since she was sexualized in that show. (I would have ignored her as well, but the wiki told me she was effectively legal, so it wasn’t technically wrong, despite her being young to me).

So yeah, its a weird question, but, I think its one that needs consideration.
To bring it back to this thread, some of these characters if not most, would be forgettable if they didn’t have some inherent sexual quality, and here most of them are animals ffs.

So, my hypothesis is, April’s sex appeal was possibly one of the important cornerstones to the success of TMNT, and when you kill that, it turns the whole thing into a three legged dog.

[Leo656]

That reminds Nostalgia Critic did not like Space Jam. He said something like they just used the Bugs Bunny dress up scenes to make Lola. Said she was unnecessary.

It was in those real thoughts videos he does with the other guy. He was kinda surprised too when he told him what a following she had.

I don’t agree with him on that since making a female counterpart has a been a long trend. Starting with Minnie Mouse. Maybe before that too. I don’t know.

I don't know who that guy is. I mean I've heard of him, obviously, but I've never watched any of his stuff. I get the feeling I wouldn't be a fan, based on a lot of things I've heard.

I pretty much agree with you, but also, if you take Lola out, where's the female representation in that movie? I'm not trying to make a joke about the modern "inclusion" trend, I'm legit saying, you take Lola out, all you have off the top of my head is Granny and the actress who plays Jordan's wife, who I don't even recall having lines. "Unnecessary" how? All I've ever heard is that she was objectively one of the best things in that flick. Not just because of the cheesecake, but she was also one of the only characters who wasn't incompetent or incapable. I know it's Looney Tunes and all, but aside from her, Bugs, and MJ, everyone else is an idiot. I think the whole thing would be a lot less fun to watch without her, just in general.

Not only that, but at that point there hadn't been any new Tunes characters created since when? It felt about time for a new one. Why not her? Who better, if not her? I mean the movie was a golden opportunity to do just that, and they ran with it. She's pretty popular in general, so I have to say WB made the right decision in creating her.

I don't know, man. That's some very weak criticism, in my opinion. Is that dude one'a them guys who says "controversial" things about stuff people like?

I fully admit that I'm a huge Kath Soucie mark in general, though, and I end up being a fan of most of her characters by default. But I do think Lola was one of the best things to happen to the brand in many years. She's still around (in a manner of speaking), so obviously people like her.

((Shrug))

[Wildcat]

You’ve never seen Nostalgia Critic videos? Ya he’s like AVGN but does movies and tv. He’s even done episodes with him.

I don’t agree with some of his points but that’s bound to happen. A lot of his stuff is good and pretty funny. Like his old tv commercial reviews.

Ya Lola made perfect sense. I wonder if they made a new looney tune for part 2. I’m sure she’ll be back since that’s where she started.

[Leo656]

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Cappa lost his mind over my April threads. Now anytime I post anything disparaging Rise, he goes on the attack, calling me out as a perv.

The crazy part was, it was a pretty harmless idea that set the whole thing off.
I was curious if April had to be seen as a sex object, if that was a part if what made the dynamic of the OT work. I excluded the young April from Rise, as to me she was clearly a child, but left April of 2012 in, since she was sexualized in that show. (I would have ignored her as well, but the wiki told me she was effectively legal, so it wasn’t technically wrong, despite her being young to me).

So yeah, its a weird question, but, I think its one that needs consideration.
To bring it back to this thread, some of these characters if not most, would be forgettable if they didn’t have some inherent sexual quality, and here most of them are animals ffs.

So, my hypothesis is, April’s sex appeal was possibly one of the important cornerstones to the success of TMNT, and when you kill that, it turns the whole thing into a three legged dog.

Hmm. Well, I won't speak for Kappa and I wasn't there for most of that, apparently. Could be that it's just to razz you and they actually don't really care or or bothered by what you're attracted to, but that's purely speculative and again, I won't speak for anyone else. I, personally, have never known Kappa to be that way, but we also don't interact much. ((shrug))

I believe you that the words were spoken but I won't assume their intent. People assume what I mean when I'm razzing people all the time, and it drives me craaaaazy, so I won't do it to anyone else. Only fair.

Not calling you a liar or anything. Pretty sure Kappa and I aren't friends; maybe "Chaotic Neutral with an occasional twinge of hostility" if anything. I'm just saying, is all.

As for April, she was first presented to the mass audience as a foxy redhead who gets tied up a fair bit, and even the Turtles openly lusted after her a few times. She's definitely a sex object. And that's okay; no person or character is ONLY defined by one trait or characteristic. She can be a sex object and still be smart and funny and strong-willed and useful, in my opinion. It's not an all-or-nothing game. Big-titted female characters don't all have to be bimbos, and the Smart & Strong ones don't all have to look like librarians.

I, personally, want to see as many hot chicks as I can get. Live action, cartoons, video games, whatever. Bring 'em on. I'm around half-naked dudes all day on my weekend job, and overweight people every day at my real job. On my own time, in the privacy of my own home, I want to see good-looking characters. Everywhere, all the time. I don't think that makes me a bad person. Maybe a slightly more honest one than some. Either way, I make no apologies for it. Especially because I treat everyone the same no matter what they look like, because that's what I was raised to do. Just because I don't want to jack it to a heavy broad doesn't mean I won't treat her like a Princess if she's nice to me. I've paid for many meals and drinks for many people, whether or not I want to f*ck them. That's just plain decency.

But yeah, on my time, on my dime, I want T&A everywhere. And I think that's okay.

[Leo656]

You’ve never seen Nostalgia Critic videos? Ya he’s like AVGN but does movies and tv. He’s even done episodes with him.

I don’t agree with some of his points but that’s bound to happen. A lot of his stuff is good and pretty funny. Like his old tv commercial reviews.

Ya Lola made perfect sense. I wonder if they made a new looney tune for part 2. I’m sure she’ll be back since that’s where she started.

No, I generally only ever have secondhand laptops with faulty speakers so I don't watch a lot of videos, and if I'm on my phone with my headphones on while cooking or something I pretty much just watch AVGN, Wrestling With Wregret, and Gaming Historian, with the occasional Wrestlelamia video.

I have admitted many times, I'm not good at this "internet" thing. I barely even look at my own YouTube channel, and I'm apparently a Worldwide Legend. :lol:

(As in, somehow people all over the world enjoy watching me pretend to know how to f*cking wrestle well, according to my statistics, although I don't know how or why. Not a lot of them, mind you, but my "fans" are apparently very spread out. But the "legend" thing is facetious, please do not take it seriously. It's like me bragging about how I'm "Undefeated In The Carolinas" when I won a match there once and don't ever plan to go back. :lol:)

But yeah, most of my internet time is spent reading. I don't watch a ton of videos.

Also, check your wall.

[TommyT]

Not calling you a liar or anything. Pretty sure Kappa and I aren't friends; maybe "Chaotic Neutral with an occasional twinge of hostility" if anything. I'm just saying, is all.
But yeah, on my time, on my dime, I want T&A everywhere. And I think that's okay.

The point of that thread was missed, entirely I think. What I was pointing out was that, some things can’t be taken out of a concept, without making it weaker.
We all know the Turtles front to back, top to bottom. And they can have all kinds of adventures collectively or solo, you can even do stories without them.
What I was trying to say was, April, for what ever reason, was a very important anchor, and that anchor included her being a sexy professional woman.
Maybe the same could be said of Splinter, if he’s no longer the wise old master, it stops working somehow. If the turtles aren’t siblings, the story feels broken.
Superman needs Lois Lane. You take her out, a very important dynamic is removed. Being a reporter is kind of an important part of her being her. Being head strong, is important to her being her.
Aprils sex appeal is intertwined with the groups dynamic. Make ger an annoying little kid, you break the green machine.

I’m confused as to how that makes one perverted.

[Leo656]

I really can't find fault with any of this at all.

"Well-played... Clerks..." :lol: (Two, maybe three people will get that reference)

[newfan]

Going back to the title, this usually involves anthro/humanlike beings, form and person/intelligence. Not the same as what interspecies would mean in reality.
Just thinking of Star Trek for example. Depends on the characters and look of them, degree of difference etc

[Leo656]

And don't you dare tell Captain Kirk he was wrong. That dude's gone places with his dick that I wouldn't go with a pistol. :lol:

And then there was that time in the Marvel Star Trek comic (I think, it was one of 'em) where Sulu got drunk and f*cked M'ress. I don't think it's hard canon but that's a thing that absolutely happened in an officially-licensed comic book.

I think some shades of gray are allowed. If Captain Kirk AND George Takei are wrong, then who the f*ck wants to be right? :lol:

[newfan]

And don't you dare tell Captain Kirk he was wrong. That dude's gone places with his dick that I wouldn't go with a pistol. :lol:

And then there was that time in the Marvel Star Trek comic (I think, it was one of 'em) where Sulu got drunk and f*cked M'ress. I don't think it's hard canon but that's a thing that absolutely happened in an officially-licensed comic book.

I think some shades of gray are allowed. If Captain Kirk AND George Takei are wrong, then who the f*ck wants to be right? :lol:

:lol: OMG I wasn't even thinking of Kirk when I typed that but yes, Kirk … explored the galaxy..

[Leo656]

I don't like the way he was staring longingly at those Tribbles.

...There's a lot going on in that show.

Even more if you're a f*cking basket case like I am. :lol:

[Sumac]

On a semi-serious note, all non-human characters I can be attracted to, lie in the realm of "green / blue skin colored space babes + / - some scales and few other non-human features".

Here’s another pic I like. Rouge the Bat. Not cgi but well done. This artist has other realistic takes on Sonic characters that are cool to me. I recommend people check them out.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0ymmwuHCig/
I am sorry, but this a typical cartoon animal with the realistic fur + sexy eyes.

[Leo656]

Hmm. Good point. I'unno what it is about Twi'Leks. Somethin'. It's definitely somethin'. But I think they come in a variety of colors. And that's fine. Wouldn't wanna be racist against fictional aliens or anything. Red's just as good as blue or green.

Or, as my very good friend/former roommate (who Happens To Be Black TM) used to always say: "Everybody's black when the light's out!" Or alternatingly, "It's all just pink when you get up in there."

He's an interesting guy. Like I'm kinda nuts but I think he's a little bit ahead on points.

[Sumac]

What about Twi'leks? (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_small/13/132327/3537411-0fd05efebafc51e8a2262890f0a1ec6a-d4vpjlo.jpg)

[IndigoErth]

So, my hypothesis is, April’s sex appeal was possibly one of the important cornerstones to the success of TMNT, and when you kill that, it turns the whole thing into a three legged dog.
Maybe for male viewers. Awful lot of female fans back in the day, too, though, and there was no such "cornerstone" for me and probably most other girls that age and loved the show just fine. April was a cool human sidekick and all, but I'd have been indifferent had she disappeared from the show. Even still, I don't really care if she's there...just give me my Turtle boys and I'm happy. (If someone wants to make them sexy cornerstones of it, too, that's fine. :lol:)


Also, pretty certain Candy Kappa is a she, if that adds any additional perspective to whatever debate or disagreement you guys had over April.

[TommyT]

Maybe for male viewers. Awful lot of female fans back in the day, too, though, and there was no such "cornerstone" for me and probably most other girls that age and loved the show just fine. April was a cool human sidekick and all, but I'd have been indifferent had she disappeared from the show. Even still, I don't really care if she's there...just give me my Turtle boys and I'm happy. (If someone wants to make them sexy cornerstones of it, too, that's fine. :lol:)



I think the sexy professional still holds true, for both genders. I'm not advocating that it's a personal prefernce, I'm saying that it's a glossed over ingredient that cements the shows appeal.

You could argue the same thing for He-man. Be it Sorcerss or Teela, a lot of guys fell hard. Take that away, or make them un appealing, is making the soda "diet" and nobody wants diet anything. Not really.
Awkward as it may be, kids crush early, before they even understand what's going on. As this thread shows, it can become life long, and a major factor in the longevity of a brand.

[IndigoErth]

You could argue the same thing for He-man. Be it Sorcerss or Teela, a lot of guys fell hard.
Funny that you suggest this series as I have a friend who has always been a bit of a He-man fan from back with the original, but for her it was He-man himself. :trazz: Well-muscled guy wearing very little... yeah, not hard to guess why. lol

I mean, I get what you're saying, but lets not forget it definitely goes both ways and male characters certainly carry some of this. :D


Yeah... my first cartoon crush as a kid from back when I was single digit age is definitely one I still adore. (Gosh, I wonder who that would be.)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Lies, certified lies.
You won't be able to maintain healthy "full package" relationship with the creature that lays eggs or lives underwater.

I always find this types of answers funny. I too can tell lies about what I'd do in certain situations, but I prefer not to do it, because, it is pointless posturing. And this is why i find "I can have family with a reptile or a frog" type of posts just a meaningless laughable nonsense.

Though, for some reason, I fully expect you to try and **** octopus just to prove me wrong. :lol:

There is a difference between ugly and average. Most people in fact are average / mediocre.

The lies about "true beauty is on the inside" is such a childish nonsense, nonetheless.

Humans do indeed have certain traits they usually look in their partners, thanks to the million years of evolution, as well, as some social conditioning.

Also, yes, in fiction it is all the same, however, it applies usually for the ****** fiction. Good fiction, will focus on these problems.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Oh, man, I LOVE it when people make completely baseless ASSumptions about the social preferences and interests of others they DON'T KNOW. Like seriously, have you made a study of learning my likes/dislikes where romantic partners are concerned? No? Then sit down and be quiet before you hurt yourself. Cause I'm about to "educate" you.

First off, I've had (off and on since I was about 12) a sort of "crush" on Mikey, specifically, but several other non-human characters as well over the years- including but not limited to dark elves,beast-men(Vincent from the old Beauty and the Beast tv series), mutants (Nightcrawler), and aliens (Odo from DS9, for one) so yeah, your idea of "attractive" or acceptably human don't gel with mine. I have always preferred a guy I can relate to on a higher level than just skin or hair, facial features, and the like. Though with mutants, it runs a pretty big gamut. (To heck with prettyboy Scott or Warren, I'd rather date Hank or Kurt!)

As for animal types, fur and scales are hardly a turn-off, more like the opposite, in fact. Different strokes, as they say, but yes, beauty IS in the eye of the beholder. (Also, I go more for personality than looks anyway, seeing how I married a guy who is basically Mikey in human form.....)

[Sumac]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Oh, man, I LOVE it when people make completely baseless ASSumptions about the social preferences and interests of others they DON'T KNOW. Like seriously, have you made a study of learning my likes/dislikes where romantic partners are concerned? No? Then sit down and be quiet before you hurt yourself. Cause I'm about to "educate" you.
The only thing I've assumed is that you don't have relationships with animals (on regular basis). Not really sure what is so insulting about it. :ohwell:

First off, I've had (off and on since I was about 12) a sort of "crush" on Mikey, specifically, but several other non-human characters as well over the years- including but not limited to dark elves,beast-men(Vincent from the old Beauty and the Beast tv series), mutants (Nightcrawler), and aliens (Odo from DS9, for one) so yeah, your idea of "attractive" or acceptably human don't gel with mine. I have always preferred a guy I can relate to on a higher level than just skin or hair, facial features, and the like. Though with mutants, it runs a pretty big gamut. (To heck with prettyboy Scott or Warren, I'd rather date Hank or Kurt!)

As for animal types, fur and scales are hardly a turn-off, more like the opposite, in fact. Different strokes, as they say, but yes, beauty IS in the eye of the beholder. (Also, I go more for personality than looks anyway, seeing how I married a guy who is basically Mikey in human form.....)
You know, there is a difference between "I have a crush on fictional character" and "I am OK living with something, that I probably won't be able to touch without fear of breaking my hand or choking, not to mention having sex with".

I do had crushes on fictional character, when I was a kid, like everyone else. So prey tell me, how you are the unique one?

[Leo656]

What about Twi'leks? (https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_small/13/132327/3537411-0fd05efebafc51e8a2262890f0a1ec6a-d4vpjlo.jpg)

HAH, exactly.

That's actually a good example too because I kinda have a thing for chicks who could kick my ass. Not exclusively or even regularly. But on occasion it's a powerful thing. :lol:


Awkward as it may be, kids crush early, before they even understand what's going on. As this thread shows, it can become life long, and a major factor in the longevity of a brand.

Yeah, for real, nice to see someone acknowledge that as being a thing. I wasn't even in Kindergarten and I had crushes on numerous cartoon characters. I knew a lot of kids like that. Although girls were "icky" to most kids at that age whether they had fur or whatever or not, so most would only admit it one-to-one. I never thought girls were "icky" though so I never understood that particular phase.

At some point around age 4-5 I probably watched "Heathcliff" more for Cleo than Heathcliff. :lol: Stupid leg warmers. :trazz:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

The only thing I've assumed is that you don't have relationships with animals (on regular basis). Not really sure what is so insulting about it. :ohwell:


You know, there is a difference between "I have a crush on fictional character" and "I am OK living with something, that I probably won't be able to touch without fear of breaking my hand or choking, not to mention having sex with".

I do had crushes on fictional character, when I was a kid, like everyone else. So prey tell me, how you are the unique one?


Oh, never said I was, I just found it hilarious that a complete stranger would presume to know my tastes in what constitutes relationship-worthy material, (whether fictional or not) and then proceeds to tell ME what I would or would not go for. Like I said, sit down before you hurt yourself, sweetheart, it makes you look foolish. Not to mention I don't recall mind-reading being one of your talents, so you might want to refrain from trying in the future.

[Sumac]

Oh, never said I was, I just found it hilarious that a complete stranger would presume to know my tastes in what constitutes relationship-worthy material, (whether fictional or not) and then proceeds to tell ME what I would or would not go for. Like I said, sit down before you hurt yourself, sweetheart, it makes you look foolish. Not to mention I don't recall mind-reading being one of your talents, so you might want to refrain from trying in the future.
Well, my dear, I've never assumed anything about your dating preferences, except that you won't date outlandish aliens and monsters in real life. You've read too much into my words.

As for your preferences, well, everyone has their tastes. Though I find it strange that you brag about your preferences as if they are sensational groundbreaking. News at 11: they are not. Most people, no matter how much they say only princes / princesses will satisfy them as partners, settle for normal looking, average people. It is a part of being an adult person, you know: ability to separate reality from fiction.

[Leo656]

Speaking of "groundbreaking", though, that makes one wonder what the reaction was the very first time anyone admitted out loud to something like, I'unno, being attracted to "furries" or aliens or just plain fictional characters.

Someone always has to be The First One, after all. Were they shunned? Arrested? Burned at the stake? Kinda makes you wonder. If someone had a time machine, went back in time a hundred years or so with a picture of Lola Bunny, for example, and said "In a hundred years, millions of people are gonna wanna have sex with this thing right here, even though most of them probably won't say so out loud"... You think they'd be burned as a heretic, or what? :lol:

I kinda wonder, sometimes. When the first one "came out", did everyone freak out, or just kinda give 'em the side-eye?

Regarding TMNT specifically, for as long as I've been a fan I have always, always known girls who crushed on at least one of them. Not every girl I know who's a fan, mind you, but even 30 years ago I knew a few. Given that they all four look a lot alike I assume it has to be a personality preference. :lol:

[Sumac]

I think, in this cases, most people just shrug it off as immature fantasies.
Until their not so little Timmy creates shrine for Gadget Hawkwrench and wears giant (ugly-creepy) suit depicting cartoon animal. But by then it is too late.

Gladly, I've never encountered people like that. And my fictional crushes were usually in the realm of human / extremely human-like creatures.

[TommyT]

Were they shunned? Arrested? Burned at the stake? Kinda makes you wonder. If someone had a time machine, went back in time a hundred years or so with a picture of Lola Bunny, for example, and said "In a hundred years, millions of people are gonna wanna have sex with this thing right here, even though most of them probably won't say so out loud"... You think they'd be burned as a heretic, or what? :lol:

Pretty sure outside of forums, it would get the same reaction today.

I am curious though, like, let’s pretend I had the means to do it - how many people here would pony up the cash to have it off with a "furry" sexdoll?
If a company just said **** it let’s go make furrie dolls for the furry fans...

Would you own a LOLA rabbit?

[Leo656]

I think, in this cases, most people just shrug it off as immature fantasies.
Until they not so little Timmy creates shrine for Gadget Hawkwrench and wears giant (ugly-creepy) suit depicting cartoon animal. But by then it is too late.

Gladly, I've never encountered people like that. And my fictional crushes were usually in the realm of human / extremely human-like creatures.

Yeah but Gadget's got a lotta personality. Personality goes a long way. :lol: Every kid I knew who watched that show had a crush on her, although they all denied it later on, as one does. :trazz: In all seriousness, though, I do notice that most of those characters back then that little boys crushed on benefited from not only being female, but also much smarter and more capable than the males, generally. I wouldn't doubt if that were a lot of the appeal. Or like, rewatching Sonic SatAM recently, it struck me just what an idiot Sonic is and how Sally literally carried everything. It's no wonder anyone who watched the show would become a fan of hers, she was literally the only competent character and everyone else was a dumbass. So I think that's an unspoken or undervalued factor in these things as well.

As I've said, I think the suit thing is pretty extreme but mostly because that's a lot of time, money and effort. But if nobody's getting hurt then rock on, I don't care. I just think it's a lot. Just in general. But it's harmless I guess.

Most people I know just look at pictures and call it a day, and frankly I think there's way worse things to be polluting one's Search history with than that. Just like there's miles between "furries" and people who commit bestiality, I think there's miles between someone having a Gadget folder on their hard drive and someone else having VIP passes to FurryCon. It's not a one-size-fits-all deal. I know tons of people who love sexy drawings of cartoons but not a single one who does the suit/convention thing.

At least, if they do they don't tell me. :lol: I guess that's always possible. So for now I'll say I don't *think* I know anyone who does that until I see evidence of it. But if they did I wouldn't care, that's their business.


Pretty sure outside of forums, it would get the same reaction today.

I am curious though, like, let’s pretend I had the means to do it - how many people here would pony up the cash to have it off with a "furry" sexdoll?
If a company just said **** it let’s go make furrie dolls for the furry fans...

Would you own a LOLA rabbit?

There'd be a market for sure, but your sales would all be online and anonymous. :lol:

I also assumed people already did that kinda stuff. Shows what I know. I must not be a very big pervert, or at least I'm outta the loop. :lol: I figured there were dolls for that just like there's "regular" sex dolls.

If there's not, then you could make a fortune by getting in on the ground floor. You'd have the market cornered! Seems like a Win.

[Sumac]

Gadget was indeed a "role-model" of a perfect girlfriend for a lot of boys: smart, capable, funny, occasionally scatter-brained, which is an endearing trait for some. Whatever creators of the show wanted to do, they hit 100% jackpot with this character. I am too was enamored at the tender age of 7 or so.

While crush is long gone, I can admit she was an interesting and very well done character, as far as cartoon series from the 80s go. This why I am sort dread how they butcher Rescue Rangers in the modern remake / reboot, if one will come to pass sometime.

[TommyT]

Looking at this thread, I'm betting some of you all read the NSFW cartoons online.

Curious who the artists are that you follow.

[IMJ]

Looking at this thread, I'm betting some of you all read the NSFW cartoons online.

Curious who the artists are that you follow.

This is going to catalyze another PM rant between several people here lmao!

[TommyT]

This is going to catalyze another PM rant between several people here lmao!

What? It’s a topic I’m not very familiar with, but I’m starting to wonder if I’ve been living vanilla for far too long!

[IMJ]

What? It’s a topic I’m not very familiar with, but I’m starting to wonder if I’ve been living vanilla for far too long!

HAHAHAH Oh God man. I didn't mean that the PMs are going to fling secretly in support of the f'd up topic, man.... hahahahah -facepalms-

Go turn your face with out turning your neck. I used to have a TRT guy tell people at the range who f'd up to "go choke yourself" hahahah, so do that instead for thinking the PM's would be secret conversations about animal love. LOL!

[TommyT]

Now everybody is quiet.

[Allio]

I mean I’m trying to figure out “reading a nsfw cartoon”

I mean you watch animation, not read. Reading would be stuff like eroticas or doujinshi.

You watch hentai, but read doujinshi.

If you call someone out, be accurate.

[TommyT]

I mean I’m trying to figure out “reading a nsfw cartoon”

I mean you watch animation, not read. Reading would be stuff like eroticas or doujinshi.

You watch hentai, but read doujinshi.

If you call someone out, be accurate.

I'm new to your strange and forbidden lands. Be gentle.

[Leo656]

I just have nothing to add at the moment. ((shrug)) Nothing personal to include and no solid opportunities for shtick just yet. Maybe later.

[IMJ]

I just have nothing to add at the moment. ((shrug)) Nothing personal to include and no solid opportunities for shtick just yet. Maybe later.

I couldn't even bring myself to post in the thread until Tommy and I were chattin' and I felt compelled to tease a bit. But that's all I've got for this one, man.

[Coola Yagami]

Interesting topic and I have lots of points to say.

First off I kinda imagine a lot of the interspecies romances have to deal with a lot to do sexuality and some sort of control. Most of the time the nonhuman character will be completely ignorant of our world and modern day thinking, they'll look to the human for guidance. If love is involved they'll love the human mostly for them and not for money or whatever. I know looks factor, most media has the human lead be attractive, but the nonhuman will be faithful and true. Like I know Ariel thought prince Eric was handsome but you'll never see her leave him for someone she thinks is even more handsome. Then of course when the question comes up 'so how do you humans mate?' the human becomes the teacher and takes full control. Add to that any fetish for fur or scales or whatever else, but I kinda think the whole deal with the nonhuman alien stuff is because they get a chance to fantasize about their perfect mate that is untainted by modern day society and it's standards.

As for the Critic, I think Space Jam was one of his earlier reviews and he had the same thing as the Nerd thing where the show was new and people didn't quite grasp if that was what he really thought or he was just playing a character. For all we know Doug Walker jacks it to Lola every night but for his show he thought it was funny to have the Critic character make a rant about bunny boobies and how Lola turned kids into furries.

As for me I wouldn't really call myself such but back then a lot of cartoons were animal-people and the animators couldn't help themselves to make some of the females shapely. Most of the animated women I had a thing for were regular humans. I think my desire for classic April was one of the many factors that kept me into the series. And the ones that said, you're right, there is nothing wrong with April being a strong capable smart professional woman that also happens to look good in tight pants. Being a good character and a hot character shouldn't be exclusive, they can be both. Ironically classic April didn't even see herself as a sexy busty redhead, she kinda saw herself as average.

As for certain girls, idk. The idea of the actual fur and animal features are a turn off. For some reason I feel those features are down played when they're cartoons but if you bring them to real life with all that overly detailed CGI 'this is what s humanoid rabbit woman would look like in real life' thing, no thanks. That borders on nightmare fuel.

That said, I'd probably nail Lola, maybe not nowadays since I'm old enough to think about the logic of fur and all that, but as a dumb kid when Space Jam came out, sure. But it would have to be in that real life human/living cartoon format like the movie where you'd be with a cartoon Lola, not a 'realistic version'.

Cleo was interesting. I always wondered why she basically looked like a short human woman covered in fur. Like the others looked more cats, but she stood out. I was under the impression that even though they talked and stuff regular humans just hear meow meow meow. Cleo acted so human like I had a hard time believing her owners couldn't understand her and would actually treat her as a regular pet.

Gadget was cute but I could never get the thought out of my head that she'd legit he the size of a mouse. She'd need to create some sort of device to make her grow to human size for any magic to happen. Same for Tinkerbell.

Finally does Cheetara count? Out of all of them she looks the most human, though she probably has a bit of fur on her.

[Allio]

There really isn't much to talk about with the situation. Beyond the what ifs, fantasy, hypotheticals, there isn't much to keep the conversation going.

Initial reaction to seeing a alien or anything non-human would be met with shock, but beyond that we don't know how one would react since that isn't our reality.

This is the same thing like the "dark romances" that some people enjoys. I might like a nice yandere, but that's because the reality itself wouldn't really happen (unless some horrible, horrible circumstances.) Or like all the Slasher *uckers that wants to be boned by Jason or Micheal

[IMJ]

There really isn't much to talk about with the situation

Exactly. It's a ridiculous topic.

I suppose if you really wanted to intellectualize it's use in pop culture, then we could observe that storytellers anthropomorphize animals in fantasy as a function of the story, and that the human/animal relationships in those stories are generally meant to illustrate that love transcends boundaries rather than illustrating a human desire for bestiality.

But that's it.

That literally says all that would really need to be said in this otherwise weird ****ing thread. Anything else, or protracted conversation I think just demonstrates weird needs by weird people.

[IndigoErth]

Speaking of "groundbreaking", though, that makes one wonder what the reaction was the very first time anyone admitted out loud to something like, I'unno, being attracted to "furries" or aliens or just plain fictional characters.

Someone always has to be The First One, after all. Were they shunned? Arrested? Burned at the stake? Kinda makes you wonder. If someone had a time machine, went back in time a hundred years or so with a picture of Lola Bunny, for example, and said "In a hundred years, millions of people are gonna wanna have sex with this thing right here, even though most of them probably won't say so out loud"... You think they'd be burned as a heretic, or what? :lol:

I kinda wonder, sometimes. When the first one "came out", did everyone freak out, or just kinda give 'em the side-eye?

Regarding TMNT specifically, for as long as I've been a fan I have always, always known girls who crushed on at least one of them. Not every girl I know who's a fan, mind you, but even 30 years ago I knew a few. Given that they all four look a lot alike I assume it has to be a personality preference. :lol:
Eh, the open furry stuff and whatnot surely had it's emergence at some point, I assume more-so in the age of the internet, but as for plain old fictional characters, that has probably been around forever to some extent. i.e. Betty Boop, how comics were portraying women from early on, and so on with all that fictional stuff that was encouraged... Plus you've got ancient art, pervey cave drawings, stories of human/animal hybrids, fables of bestiality... No doubt the ancient Greeks, for example, with the multitudes of gods and depictions of them probably had some followers with some not-so-safe-for-work thoughts about them... Wouldn't put it past some of the Egyptians either with those animal-headed deities.

Humans are an imaginative, ridiculous species and I really doubt today's interests are hardly anything new, they're just the modern brand of it.



but if you bring them to real life with all that overly detailed CGI 'this is what s humanoid rabbit woman would look like in real life' thing, no thanks. That borders on nightmare fuel.
"And we were going to use rabbits."

Now I kind of want to know what a "realistic" Lola would look like, along with Eric Sacks' would-be rabbits, just for the hell of it. :tlol:

But that nightmare is also why I'm glad the Turtles have their own look and are not usually depicted in an animalistic way. It's interesting in some fan art, but it can stay there as far as I'm concerned.

[Coola Yagami]

Eh, the open furry stuff and whatnot surely had it's emergence at some point, I assume more-so in the age of the internet, but as for plain old fictional characters, that has probably been around forever to some extent. i.e. Betty Boop, how comics were portraying women from early on, and so on with all that fictional stuff that was encouraged... Plus you've got ancient art, pervey cave drawings, stories of human/animal hybrids, fables of bestiality... No doubt the ancient Greeks, for example, with the multitudes of gods and depictions of them probably had some followers with some not-so-safe-for-work thoughts about them... Wouldn't put it past some of the Egyptians either with those animal-headed deities.

Humans are an imaginative, ridiculous species and I really doubt today's interests are hardly anything new, they're just the modern brand of it.




"And we were going to use rabbits."

Now I kind of want to know what a "realistic" Lola would look like, along with Eric Sacks' would-be rabbits, just for the hell of it. :tlol:

But that nightmare is also why I'm glad the Turtles have their own look and are not usually depicted in an animalistic way. It's interesting in some fan art, but it can stay there as far as I'm concerned.

That's why I always wonder why Tokka ended up looking like a real mutant turtle and not the odd but adorable green human turtle hybrids our heroes turned out to be.

[IndigoErth]

Ya know, that never really crossed my mind, but yeah... Same mutagen after all, right? :tconfuse:

edit: Maybe the stuff had deteriorated and changed over time? Their minds didn't reach the same human-like level that the Turtles' had either. Like they were more 50/50, remaining a larger part animal both mentally and physically.

[TommyT]

I'm agnostic here. I am curious about the lola thing. She didn't do it for me, but like, I'm wondering, how far is too far, with the realism? Is it the cartoon estehtic that people are hot for, or the idea of a completely non human partner/participant?

Like, is the new movie Sonic getting people hot? what about the large people sized stuffed animals you win at the state fair?



Is this hot?
https://i.imgur.com/WqAtZu4.png
or is it more this?
https://i.imgur.com/KorpbOl.png
This?
https://d13csqd2kn0ewr.cloudfront.net/uploads/image/file/315772/GettyImages-775621.jpg?ts=1537480256

or are we actually thinking:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQYeqBim7Bt-Y6G9jdPIJosDTxhfuTGQtCzAHgj6fu5rJhct1Ag

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, I doubt plush is gonna do it unless someone is really in THAT deep with their feelings for a character. lol (And a little -- also adorable -- pet bunny? Now you're just being snarky.)

Lola is, I assume, probably the female equivalent to Disney's Robin Hood fox who seems to have been a popular one among women during childhood. While I did not have a thing for him as a kid, I could still tell there was something there in how he was portrayed. lol Probably similar with the rabbit girl?

[TommyT]

Yeah, I doubt plush is gonna do it unless someone is really in THAT deep with their feelings for a character. lol (And a little -- also adorable -- pet bunny? Now you're just being snarky.)

Lola is, I assume, probably the female equivalent to Disney's Robin Hood fox who seems to have been a popular one among women during childhood. While I did not have a thing for him as a kid, I could still tell there was something there in how he was portrayed. lol Probably similar with the rabbit girl?

IMJ is feeling like there might be some who have some wicked thoughts about the little Bunny. I think the wicked thoughts are about the cartoon.

But if you make the cartoon real... well, how does that work?

[IMJ]

IMJ is feeling like there might be some who have some wicked thoughts about the little Bunny. I think the wicked thoughts are about the cartoon.

But if you make the cartoon real... well, how does that work?

I'm actually thinking people have thoughts or urges about both.
Iron Man 3 had a bunny with boobs in Tony's house. I'll be the furries went apeshit.

[Allio]

So what are your thoughts on Projekt Melody?

[Coola Yagami]

I think the whole deal is those that want Lola... want Lola. Not a plush, not a doll, not a person in a costume. But like the actual cartoon character somehow co-existing alongside you just like Space Jam had her interact with the very real Micheal Jordan.

Naturally, until holodecks are a thing, that will never be 'real', but I mean, there lies the fantasy, right?

[Leo656]

You mentioned Tinker Belle and now I need a cold shower.

I just realized that the Tinker Belle calendar on my wall is TEN YEARS OLD now. :lol: I always just left it up where it was because it was my favorite pose in the whole thing and I was just too lazy to buy a new calendar anyway. Hadn't actually looked at the date in a very long time. Wow. :lol:

I don't pretend to be able to explain how that would work, but god dammit we'd figure SOMEthing out. :lol:

I'unno exactly why she trips my trigger but I also don't spend much time overthinking it. If I had to stop and contemplate the "Why" of things every time my dick moved, I wouldn't have any time for anything else. :trazz:

[Wildcat]

I didn’t really have anything more to add but since it’s come back around...

I don’t know about everyone who’s into it but for me personally I want a realistic Lola Bunny. Not a 2D style recreation, fur suit or plushie.

Those pics I originally posted. That’s what I want. That level of realism because that’s what she’d be like if she were real. The same character design but with the realistic attributes of a living physical being including fur because she would and should have it.

I know dolls were brought up. Yes I would totally get a Lola doll if the quality and accuracy was top notch.

There actually is a company that used to make furry themed doll but they discontinued them. They looked poorly designed though. You’ll have to google a bit because they’re not on the website anymore. I’m not posting it. (In case anyone is wondering I have never bought any other kind of “toy” :lol: )

On side note the typical dolls some companies make seem pretty amazing. They’ve significantly dropped in price too since they’ve become more common.

Also Doug Walker’s Real Thoughts Space Jam video is from 2015. It’s not just NC review.

[Leo656]

Just to clarify, are we talking about "regular dolls" or the kinda "doll" with the strategically-placed hole in it?

The rest of the conversation probably depends on which one you're referring to, just FYI.

[Wildcat]

The second one. I thought it was obvious given the discussion and the other stuff I mentioned :lol:

[Leo656]

Just checking. :lol:

[TommyT]

So what are your thoughts on Projekt Melody?

Had to google it. Not sure what it's supposed to be. Looks like bad animation?

I think the whole deal is those that want Lola... want Lola. Not a plush, not a doll, not a person in a costume. But like the actual cartoon character somehow co-existing alongside you just like Space Jam had her interact with the very real Micheal Jordan.

Naturally, until holodecks are a thing, that will never be 'real', but I mean, there lies the fantasy, right?

So, is this like, a fantasy about Leeloo, instead of Milla Jovovich, or Daenerys instead of Emilia Clarke? you love the Character in the show?

So if you had a holodeck, it still wouldn't be an actual thing, right?

You mentioned Tinker Belle and now I need a cold shower.
I don't pretend to be able to explain how that would work, but god dammit we'd figure SOMEthing out. :lol:
I'unno exactly why she trips my trigger but I also don't spend much time overthinking it. If I had to stop and contemplate the "Why" of things every time my dick moved, I wouldn't have any time for anything else.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/99/13/b5/9913b56ed5fc521c588737c75de8ad44.jpg


I don’t know about everyone who’s into it but for me personally I want a realistic Lola Bunny. Not a 2D style recreation, fur suit or plushie.

Those pics I originally posted. That’s what I want. That level of realism because that’s what she’d be like if she were real. The same character design but with the realistic attributes of a living physical being including fur because she would and should have it.

I know dolls were brought up. Yes I would totally get a Lola doll if the quality and accuracy was top notch.


Just to clarify, are we talking about "regular dolls" or the kinda "doll" with the strategically-placed hole in it?

The rest of the conversation probably depends on which one you're referring to, just FYI.

So some do and some don't want a "bendable" Lola?

[Leo656]

:teek: I f*cking hate you.

You're the best. Thanks so much, I'll never forget this. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

Had to google it. Not sure what it's supposed to be. Looks like bad animation?



So, is this like, a fantasy about Leeloo, instead of Milla Jovovich, or Daenerys instead of Emilia Clarke? you love the Character in the show?

So if you had a holodeck, it still wouldn't be an actual thing, right?






Still would be way more real than a doll or a person in a costume.

I kinda don't get what is hard to understand for any person that wanted to bang Lola back in the day. You think a kid watching Space Jam would be thinking the logistics of some weird humanoid rabbit woman creature thing that would surely be nightmare fuel in real life? No, they'd want to **** the cartoon character. I mean you seen the movie right? Hell, Roger Rabbit implied it and Cool World was all about a cartoon woman wanting to **** a guy. It would be the actual character as she appears in the movie, not a person in a suit or a doll or whatever and definitely not a Micheal Bay mutant.


But yeah, holodecks would be awesome and imagine, insanely expensive, especially the adult version. You could literally **** anyone you ever wanted, be it an ex, someone you never had a chance with, a celeb or a fictional character. Hell, since you brought it up, you could literally have a threesome with Leelo as the character and Milla Jovovich as herself. Or someone like Michelle Pfeiffer but back in her prime.

Someone we all know and love can finally have their day in May.

[Leo656]

I like the way ya think. :lol:

Sheez, EVERY person I ever knew who saw Cool World agreed that Holli was way hotter as a cartoon character. I'unno if that was what the filmmakers intended, but that's what happened.

[TommyT]

There are women who look like this in real life though. many on instagram.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/e6/cd/a1e6cd5d81d293f0dbe3e5469520af7d.jpg

[Wildcat]

Still would be way more real than a doll or a person in a costume.

I kinda don't get what is hard to understand for any person that wanted to bang Lola back in the day. You think a kid watching Space Jam would be thinking the logistics of some weird humanoid rabbit woman creature thing that would surely be nightmare fuel in real life? No, they'd want to **** the cartoon character. I mean you seen the movie right? Hell, Roger Rabbit implied it and Cool World was all about a cartoon woman wanting to **** a guy. It would be the actual character as she appears in the movie, not a person in a suit or a doll or whatever and definitely not a Micheal Bay mutant.Uh no. I already clarified my side but I’ve always thought of Lola as having fur and such. How could you not even as a kid?

Even if you could do the holodeck thing would she not have fur in this simulation? Like what would she feel like in a 2D Space Jam form? A human with a bunny head? Then you could just find a cosplayer.
But yeah, holodecks would be awesome and imagine, insanely expensive, especially the adult version. You could literally **** anyone you ever wanted, be it an ex, someone you never had a chance with, a celeb or a fictional character. Hell, since you brought it up, you could literally have a threesome with Leelo as the character and Milla Jovovich as herself. Or someone like Michelle Pfeiffer but back in her prime.

Someone we all know and love can finally have their day in May.Ive mentioned this before but Michelle Pfeiffer still looks great. I mean she has really aged perfectly. I’ve always liked her but I might even prefer her now.

https://www.instagram.com/michellepfeifferofficial/

[Leo656]

Wife: "Are you looking at porn?"
Me: "No, I swear. It's just a goofy thread on the Technodrome."
Wife: "Oh, GOD, that's even worse."

But aside from that, thanks for the f*cking pictures. :lol:

[TommyT]

Uh no. I already clarified my side but I’ve always thought of Lola as having fur and such. How could you not even as a kid?

Even if you could do the holodeck thing would she not have fur in this simulation? Like what would she feel like in a 2D Space Jam form? A human with a bunny head? Then you could just find a cosplayer.
Ive mentioned this before but Michelle Pfeiffer still looks great. I mean she has really aged perfectly. I’ve always liked her but I might even prefer her now.

https://www.instagram.com/michellepfeifferofficial/

What does michelle pfeiffer have to do with this?

Okay. I'm lost, but also...

What's happening now? How dos a cartoon feel, or how does a cartoon feel.

lol. fur. I don't like it on women as is. Lola would definitely have to shave, but then she'd be all weird and wrinkly...
like..

Sorry Leo656

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/7722303488/h3FE3EAFF/

[Leo656]

:lol: Gross. :lol:

Also I think Wildcat merely got Michelle Pfeiffer and Kim Basinger mixed up, as some people do.

And it is kind of odd that to a person, hairy women might be a turn-off but full-blown fur might be enticing to that same individual. I'm sure that says multiple "somethings" but damned if I know what exactly. Like I kinda get it but not entirely.

[TommyT]

:lol: Gross. :lol:

Also I think Wildcat merely got Michelle Pfeiffer and Kim Basinger mixed up, as some people do.

And it is kind of odd that to a person, hairy women might be a turn-off but full-blown fur might be enticing to that same individual. I'm sure that says multiple "somethings" but damned if I know what exactly. Like I kinda get it but not entirely.


I'm outs for the fur. outs for scales, outs for well, a ton of stuff.

[Wildcat]

Coola Yagami stated if we had a holodeck we could get Michelle Pfeiffer in her prime. It’s at the bottom of the post. (I would never mix her up).

As for the fur...Lola’s cartoon version would still have fur even if you were able to create some 2D simulation. I guess you could program it to not have fur but then it’s an inaccurate representation. Just look for a cosplayer then.

I understand not being into hairiness but in general I don’t see why it would automatically be a huge turn off. I assume she’d be soft and smooth :lol:

[Leo656]

You're right, I missed that part of Coola's post. My bad.

I think I get what you mean. Doin' it with Lola Bunny would be kinda like doin' it with a giant stuffed animal. But doin' it with Ani DiFranco would just be like doin' it with some smelly hippy chick. :lol:

[Wildcat]

Haha. To put it nicely ya I think it’d be more of a pleasant thing. The soft, smooth and fuzzy fur must feel different from Human hair. I think it would add to the experience. :lol:

[Leo656]

You might be onto something. For one thing, hippie chicks also smell terrible and human body hair just feels like misplaced pubes. :lol: The texture is probably completely different. :trazz: You might win more people over if you put it in those terms, after all.


Part of me wonders if the OP even bothers to look in on this thread, or if it's like when I go to someone's house I kinda don't like, drink their beer and piss on the toilet seat, then sit back and watch someone else get blamed for it. "F*ck what happens next, my work here is done, and it was God's work." :lol:

[Wildcat]

You might be onto something. For one thing, hippie chicks also smell terrible and human body hair just feels like misplaced pubes. :lol: The texture is probably completely different. :trazz: You might win more people over if you put it in those terms, after all.


Part of me wonders if the OP even bothers to look in on this thread, or if it's like when I go to someone's house I kinda don't like, drink their beer and piss on the toilet seat, then sit back and watch someone else get blamed for it. "F*ck what happens next, my work here is done, and it was God's work." :lol:Yup. The fur would be unique to her body.

The OP would make a bunch of really long posts on BluRay forum. They’d post some replies. So maybe they’ve continued reading.

Have you really done that? :lol:

[Leo656]

I've done all kinds of things I'm not proud of. :lol: Although that's actually a mishmash of stories, all of which happened in bits and pieces but not that specific way. I just tweaked it to be more fitting to the joke.

The closest to that was actually the ladies' room at a sh*tty concert where the men's room was out of commission and I was stumblef*ck drunk on Red Dog (do they still even make that anymore? :lol: This was 1997 or 1998 to give you an idea). To be fair, seat was already kinda "Nope" which is why I tried to manage the "Aim through the hole" gimmick rather than just lifting it like a gentleman. As we all know, that trick never works on a good day, and this was not my best day. So I "splashed" the seat, realized wiping it up would be more hassle than it was worth and that just about everyone on line was a dude anyway. And after that I just turned on the fire hose, so to speak. Then I just snuck out when nobody was looking so as not to be blamed.

I DID however see that the very next occupant on her way in was a decently-hot chick who looked fairly distressed. I felt bad for a second, but curiosity won out. So I turned the corner and listened surreptitiously until the inevitable "Oh, mother F*CKER!" bellowed out from inside, then got the hell outta dodge. :lol:

My rationale has always been, that's what she gets for going to a hardcore show at a f*cking batting cage place. What kinda chick hangs around places like that watching sh*tty bands like E-Town Concrete instead of going to church? Serves 'em right! :lol: She's lucky she didn't sit on that seat even BEFORE I got there, she probably would'a gotten Hepatitis Everything. I did her a favor! Saved her life, even, probably. I should'a got somethin' for that!

Suffice to say, I have a much better handle on my drinking (and my balance) than I did in high school. Also, pissing on the toilet seat is small-potatoes. I've pissed in way worse places if I really dislike someone. :tgrin:

I try to be a good person, but sometimes... well, sometimes I'm just an Awesome one instead. Not "good", necessarily, just awesome. Awesomeness does not imply any inherent "goodness", after all. :lol:

[Wildcat]

Oh public bathrooms are one of the worst things imo. I’ve gone in some where it seems the mess was on purpose. I’ve never been in those places but even restaurants and stores can be pretty bad.

If a toilet is not flushed or something is in the sink I just walk out. Even if they’re clean I use a paper towel to touch the doors. :lol: we all do that.

Plus I hate how you have no privacy. Sometimes you can find singles where you can lock the door :D

[Leo656]

I can't think of anything to say that might steer this back to topic. :lol:

No, wait, I got it: "Lola Bunny, for example, has far too much class to ever use a public restroom. Also, she's a cartoon so she wouldn't have to anyway."

That's the best I can do on an empty stomach. My powers are weak until I've had my hash browns.

Just kidding, it's leftover spaghetti. I'm a wreck. :lol: Good thing it's only Wednesday or I'd be washing it down with Coors. Rebel! :trazz:

[Sumac]

Not sure what dialogue here had become, but that Tinkerbell art....I approve.

[TommyT]

So, yeah, there are so many great artists, like J. Scott Campbell, the artist behind that Tinkerbell. When other people here go on and on about how “good” Rise looks, I lose it. It’s just not true, not even a little, and why would you push the flat, simplified trash, when there are guys like Campbell aroud.

If you like that, google him. He’s a god with a pencil.

[Leo656]

Yeah, he's really good. And that specific piece of art is incredibly spiffy.

Tommy, you reminded me of the time I had the audacity to say that Alex Ross is objectively a much better artist than Jim Lawson. You can imagine the reaction, I'm sure. :lol:

It's true though.

[TommyT]

Yeah, he's really good. And that specific piece of art is incredibly spiffy.

Tommy, you reminded me of the time I had the audacity to say that Alex Ross is objectively a much better artist than Jim Lawson. You can imagine the reaction, I'm sure. :lol:

It's true though.

Facts are facts. Some people don't like facts.
Also, Lawson has adopted "fawckit" style, which looks quite a bit like Rise, now that I think about it.

[Leo656]

A human mouth does not resemble a Spaghetti-O, and human beings have more than one face. April and Casey should not look like identical twin siblings from the neck-up.

Lawson's art is like the Create-A-Wrestler in WWF War Zone for PS1 with that kinda stuff. People can like it or not like it, but it is what it is. To me, it does not appeal and never did.

[TommyT]

It's just plain ugly. It's the equivalent of a doctors handwriting, but drawings.

[Leo656]

:lol: "Doctor's handwriting", that's good.

I've seen some pretty neat dinosaurs and things. But anything humanoid... yeah, nah.

I've forever maintained that if anyone else from Mirage had drawn Vol. 4 it might actually have made some money. Ah well.

[Egon1982]

This thread reminds me of something you find in the TwoBestFriendsPlay subreddit, as for the statement I dunno maybe some of it are allegories for racism but I feel as if its the writer/artist living their dream of romancing a being with more xeno characteristics.

Me personally I want to see more of the Human Male/Xeno Female, women have been dating literal monsters while we get boring Neko girls.

Agree! too much Beauty and the Beasts, Shape of Waters, Hana and Wolfman husbands from Wolf Children, Hellboy etc. already, it's getting stale.
he double standard that only human women can be in relationships with none humans is getting sickeningly DULL and very SEXIST which is quite frankly P£$$%&@ ME OFF! Why can't we have novels and comic book stories about a Conan like Barbarian character that romances none human babes? Cat/Wolf/Fish/Dragon and so on?!

I agree, the reverse genders feel more fresh! You know what grinds my gears? there's far too many human women with nonhuman men in pop culture! i mean i have nothing against that as i'm a supporter of outside species/race (outside the human race) romance in fiction but we need more human males X nonhuman females (furries or xenos or magical creature ladies and mutants).

But i'm very happy lately it's happening as that double standard of only human women are ok with nonhumans is slowly fading! i mean Superjail has a human man married to a lovely furry blonde alligator lady and had babies with her. And mainstream shows like Bojack Horseman and Regular Show with the Voltron reboot have human males with nonhuman females like Hunk/Shay in Voltron on Netflix plus Bojack Horseman as i'm very very happy especially with Hattonslayden's influential artworks lately as he is the same age as me and were taught growing up not to be a bigot/racist and treat people who are different looking as equals with skills and abilities and he only draws human males with nonhuman females like anthros/xenos/magical creature folk/mutants to stop this bigotry/sexism that "only human females can be with nonhuman looking nonhumans". The segreation of "we can only be together if we are the same race/species of being" and metaphorically spit in Martin Luther King Jr. face

And i'm glad lately with those shows lately it's finally happening, him and i do not like "Avataring" (like in James Cameron's avatar where the human male becomes the same species/race as the lover even at the end which pissed me off) and the sexist double standard (only human women can be with nonhuman men) just needed to go and it's finally happening. I don't like "Avataring" or any transformation of human male to "get with" some female who is different than them with the "we look different from each other and cannot accept each other".

so any story where a human man falls for a nonhuman woman and has to change his appearance to "get with" her is like "guess who's coming to dinner" where the main black protagonist physically changes into a white man at the end to suit the parents of the woman he loves and therefore they don't have to accept anything.

They need to learn from the most influential sci-fi/fantasy illustrator in recent memory Hatton Slayden to make people think twice on sexist double standards as i love his artworks and making mainstream sci-fi/fantasy artists, writers, video game makers, filmmakers and more think twice on double standards. The old double standard "only human women are ok to be with nonhumans" seems to be a throwback to when in holocaust times in Europe when Hitler and his nazis never considered Jews to be human.

Some who see Hatton's amazing artworks are declaring feminist wave of having human women exclusively the ones who reach and touch the hearts of other species sexist! and now since 2013 we have human male X furry/xeno female relationships with Regular Show, Bojack Horseman, Voltron Legendary Defender (Hunk and Shay), Warcraft the movie (the hybrid's parents being a human male and an orc female) etc. are the beginning of getting rid of sexist double standards/inequality as like i said the double standard of "Only human women are ok to be with nonhuman people" need to go and it finally is and Hatton is even pleased with it with Bojack Horseman, Regular Show, Warcraft the movie, Voltron Legendary Defender etc.
human females and Xeno/mutant/anthro male relationships John because it is so CLICHE and BORING to see those relationships over and over again. It's like writers are playing it too safe I mean how many men would love to make sweet love to Minerva Mink, Cheetara, Cleo from Catillac Cats, Cheetah from Justice League, Felicia, Pumarya, Demona, M'ress, that three breasted alien feline woman from Star Trek V, Lola Bunny, Mona Lisa from the original Ninja Turtles series, Felina Feral and Callie Briggs from Swat Kats and Kittrina from one episode of Filmation's He-Man and the Masters of the Universe?

but now to see human males X nonhuman females is finally a dream come true now with the shows i mentioned use to be rare but now thanks to the success of Regular Show and Voltron reboot and Bojack Horseman.

Here's Hatton's artworks
https://www.weasyl.com/submissions/hattonslayden



HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Oh, man, I LOVE it when people make completely baseless ASSumptions about the social preferences and interests of others they DON'T KNOW. Like seriously, have you made a study of learning my likes/dislikes where romantic partners are concerned? No? Then sit down and be quiet before you hurt yourself. Cause I'm about to "educate" you.

First off, I've had (off and on since I was about 12) a sort of "crush" on Mikey, specifically, but several other non-human characters as well over the years- including but not limited to dark elves,beast-men(Vincent from the old Beauty and the Beast tv series), mutants (Nightcrawler), and aliens (Odo from DS9, for one) so yeah, your idea of "attractive" or acceptably human don't gel with mine. I have always preferred a guy I can relate to on a higher level than just skin or hair, facial features, and the like. Though with mutants, it runs a pretty big gamut. (To heck with prettyboy Scott or Warren, I'd rather date Hank or Kurt!)

As for animal types, fur and scales are hardly a turn-off, more like the opposite, in fact. Different strokes, as they say, but yes, beauty IS in the eye of the beholder. (Also, I go more for personality than looks anyway, seeing how I married a guy who is basically Mikey in human form.....)
Not a turn off for me as i see furries, mutants, magical creature folk, cyborgs/androids and aliens as people who are different and i liked Cleo, Minerva Mink, Gadget, Mress, Felicia, Teryx from Dinosaucers, Sally Acorn, Armitage, Lola, Cheetara/Pumarya and more as a kid and a teen in the 80s and 90s.

And have you seen the movie Wolf Children? i don't see a problem with Hana and her wolfman husband making out in that one scene as he's a person who is different and they are the parents of the title kids in that Japanese animated fantasy drama.

I'm even doing a story series where Julie Bruin from Tiny Toon Adventures, remember that sexy busty bear woman? has an affair with a human man and both are consenting adult beings. Even her parents will soon accept just because he's not of the furry (animal humanoid person) race doesn't mean it's bad but to accept him. And they even get married and produce kids.



And there's tons of romances of nonhumans with different nonhumans like say an android dating xenos in Star Trek or Mass Effect, elf people with fish people like Hellboy and Zelda, a story online of Transformers where an autobot dates an alien princess, elf males with Argonian and Khajit females in Skyrim and more.

[Allio]

Agree! too much Beauty and the Beasts, Shape of Waters, Hana and Wolfman husbands from Wolf Children, Hellboy etc. already, it's getting stale.
he double standard that only human women can be in relationships with none humans is getting sickeningly DULL and very SEXIST which is quite frankly P£$$%&@ ME OFF! Why can't we have novels and comic book stories about a Conan like Barbarian character that romances none human babes? Cat/Wolf/Fish/Dragon and so on?!


while not conan level, their are plenty of Malexmonsters. You have Monster Musume and Doctor Monster girl. Though I can understand if you don't count them as they tend to be "Girls that cosplay" though I feel like they also fall under the whole idea behind the idea of "Something that seems human, but not" which is also a very monster thing. Different strokes for different folks.

Though I do think that Monsterxfemale is popular mainly because it plays into the "Alice" way of writing where a female character is brought into different world to be with that monster. It's actually funny how anime has taken the alice storytelling for male characters.

MonsterxFemale would equate to a MalexInnocence as MxI also derives from the "Responsibility" story (Like A hero's journey) where the male character also takes a guardian role for that innocent character. Has there even been a good FemalexInnocence story that doesn't come off as just being motherly?


At least that's from what I have taken from studying stories.

[Egon1982]

while not conan level, their are plenty of Malexmonsters. You have Monster Musume and Doctor Monster girl. Though I can understand if you don't count them as they tend to be "Girls that cosplay" though I feel like they also fall under the whole idea behind the idea of "Something that seems human, but not" which is also a very monster thing. Different strokes for different folks.

Though I do think that Monsterxfemale is popular mainly because it plays into the "Alice" way of writing where a female character is brought into different world to be with that monster. It's actually funny how anime has taken the alice storytelling for male characters.

MonsterxFemale would equate to a MalexInnocence as MxI also derives from the "Responsibility" story (Like A hero's journey) where the male character also takes a guardian role for that innocent character. Has there even been a good FemalexInnocence story that doesn't come off as just being motherly?


At least that's from what I have taken from studying stories.

Have you seen Hatton Slayden's artwork? he only does human male X furry/xeno/magical creature person romance artworks only because he wants to stop sexist double standards of only "human women are ok to be with nonhuman people" as his artwork is very influential since 2010 and making people think twice on double standards as he was raised by his parents not to be a bigot to anyone who is different than him and he took it by heart.

I just feel human male X furry/alien female is more appropriate than the typical Beauty and Beasts/Shape of Water/Wolf Children's Hana and Wolfman etc. as there's guys who like Minerva Mink, Felicia, Lola Bunny, Sally Acorn, Cleo from Heathcliff, Mona Lisa and more.

And Bojack Horseman, Regular Show, Superjail, Voltron Legendary defender etc. are a step in the right direction and getting rid of that double Roger and Jessica sexist double standard as some don't like inequality and double standards just like Hatton.

[IndigoErth]

Interesting thing is, I think, how this "sexist double standard" even came about. Look at earlier entertainment and mythology. A lot of the instances of putting human women with non-humans started out with themes of the women being victims of being captured by those beings... Be it the messed up "love" that grows from being held captive by The Beast, or being dragged off by the Creature from the Black Lagoon, or captured or somehow seduced by a human/animal hybrid in mythology...

https://i.pinimg.com/236x/f7/2a/c2/f72ac2ad5944c7d46a49ad24c11822a2--black-lagoon-the-creatures.jpg

So much of the whole idea did not come from women's weird autonomous decision that some non-human men are hot, but rather to be depicted as victims. Who of course sometimes fall for the victimizer and is FAR too often sadly still a theme even today, esp in fanfic. (Which just hurts my heart when it's young fans writing that sort of toxic stuff like it's so normalized.) But it's been a theme that has been made common, if not originally in a good way, since way back.

The only positive now is that I guess many women have collectively decided to stop seeing women as being only the possible victim in those situations and turn some of those pairings into a decision the women made themselves. Such as the woman from The Shape of Water going for it herself with that Black Lagoon-inspired fish man.


I do find it odd that the reverse is a lot less common, and have assumed men are just more touchy on the idea. And/or unlike women, just haven't had the reverse scenario made quite as common in history so people just aren't as used to the idea of it in fiction. But if guys want to see more of it, hey... go for it. Esp if they want to have their turn for awhile in being dragged off by some non-human/hybrid female creatures that took a liking to a guy.

[Coola Yagami]

Agree! too much Beauty and the Beasts, Shape of Waters, Hana and Wolfman husbands from Wolf Children, Hellboy etc. already, it's getting stale.
he double standard that only human women can be in relationships with none humans is getting sickeningly DULL and very SEXIST which is quite frankly P£$$%&@ ME OFF! Why can't we have novels and comic book stories about a Conan like Barbarian character that romances none human babes? Cat/Wolf/Fish/Dragon and so on?!

I agree, the reverse genders feel more fresh! You know what grinds my gears? there's far too many human women with nonhuman men in pop culture! i mean i have nothing against that as i'm a supporter of outside species/race (outside the human race) romance in fiction but we need more human males X nonhuman females (furries or xenos or magical creature ladies and mutants).

But i'm very happy lately it's happening as that double standard of only human women are ok with nonhumans is slowly fading! i mean Superjail has a human man married to a lovely furry blonde alligator lady and had babies with her. And mainstream shows like Bojack Horseman and Regular Show with the Voltron reboot have human males with nonhuman females like Hunk/Shay in Voltron on Netflix plus Bojack Horseman as i'm very very happy especially with Hattonslayden's influential artworks lately as he is the same age as me and were taught growing up not to be a bigot/racist and treat people who are different looking as equals with skills and abilities and he only draws human males with nonhuman females like anthros/xenos/magical creature folk/mutants to stop this bigotry/sexism that "only human females can be with nonhuman looking nonhumans". The segreation of "we can only be together if we are the same race/species of being" and metaphorically spit in Martin Luther King Jr. face

And i'm glad lately with those shows lately it's finally happening, him and i do not like "Avataring" (like in James Cameron's avatar where the human male becomes the same species/race as the lover even at the end which pissed me off) and the sexist double standard (only human women can be with nonhuman men) just needed to go and it's finally happening. I don't like "Avataring" or any transformation of human male to "get with" some female who is different than them with the "we look different from each other and cannot accept each other".

so any story where a human man falls for a nonhuman woman and has to change his appearance to "get with" her is like "guess who's coming to dinner" where the main black protagonist physically changes into a white man at the end to suit the parents of the woman he loves and therefore they don't have to accept anything.

They need to learn from the most influential sci-fi/fantasy illustrator in recent memory Hatton Slayden to make people think twice on sexist double standards as i love his artworks and making mainstream sci-fi/fantasy artists, writers, video game makers, filmmakers and more think twice on double standards. The old double standard "only human women are ok to be with nonhumans" seems to be a throwback to when in holocaust times in Europe when Hitler and his nazis never considered Jews to be human.

Some who see Hatton's amazing artworks are declaring feminist wave of having human women exclusively the ones who reach and touch the hearts of other species sexist! and now since 2013 we have human male X furry/xeno female relationships with Regular Show, Bojack Horseman, Voltron Legendary Defender (Hunk and Shay), Warcraft the movie (the hybrid's parents being a human male and an orc female) etc. are the beginning of getting rid of sexist double standards/inequality as like i said the double standard of "Only human women are ok to be with nonhuman people" need to go and it finally is and Hatton is even pleased with it with Bojack Horseman, Regular Show, Warcraft the movie, Voltron Legendary Defender etc.
human females and Xeno/mutant/anthro male relationships John because it is so CLICHE and BORING to see those relationships over and over again. It's like writers are playing it too safe I mean how many men would love to make sweet love to Minerva Mink, Cheetara, Cleo from Catillac Cats, Cheetah from Justice League, Felicia, Pumarya, Demona, M'ress, that three breasted alien feline woman from Star Trek V, Lola Bunny, Mona Lisa from the original Ninja Turtles series, Felina Feral and Callie Briggs from Swat Kats and Kittrina from one episode of Filmation's He-Man and the Masters of the Universe?

but now to see human males X nonhuman females is finally a dream come true now with the shows i mentioned use to be rare but now thanks to the success of Regular Show and Voltron reboot and Bojack Horseman.

Here's Hatton's artworks
https://www.weasyl.com/submissions/hattonslayden




Not a turn off for me as i see furries, mutants, magical creature folk, cyborgs/androids and aliens as people who are different and i liked Cleo, Minerva Mink, Gadget, Mress, Felicia, Teryx from Dinosaucers, Sally Acorn, Armitage, Lola, Cheetara/Pumarya and more as a kid and a teen in the 80s and 90s.

And have you seen the movie Wolf Children? i don't see a problem with Hana and her wolfman husband making out in that one scene as he's a person who is different and they are the parents of the title kids in that Japanese animated fantasy drama.

I'm even doing a story series where Julie Bruin from Tiny Toon Adventures, remember that sexy busty bear woman? has an affair with a human man and both are consenting adult beings. Even her parents will soon accept just because he's not of the furry (animal humanoid person) race doesn't mean it's bad but to accept him. And they even get married and produce kids.



And there's tons of romances of nonhumans with different nonhumans like say an android dating xenos in Star Trek or Mass Effect, elf people with fish people like Hellboy and Zelda, a story online of Transformers where an autobot dates an alien princess, elf males with Argonian and Khajit females in Skyrim and more.

Hmmmm interesting. So I guess even in fictional works where the men are non-human, and sometimes not even of our planet at all, are more than willing to take the human female as is, but if the female is the non-human entity, then the human male better hit the gym and have money.

I guess not even in fiction can some guys catch a break, lmao.

[TommyT]

So while we're on the topic of inter-species romance...


WHAT IS UP WITH PETE DAVIDSON?

He's getting so much tail, and super high quality at that. Cindy Crawford's daughter, Ariana Grande, that actress from Underworld...

https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/pete-davidson.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1200

Hot women are going crazy for this anemic looking doorstop. He's barely funny, and constantly wants to commit suicide.

WHAT is his SECRET???

[Coola Yagami]

So while we're on the topic of inter-species romance...


WHAT IS UP WITH PETE DAVIDSON?

He's getting so much tail, and super high quality at that. Cindy Crawford's daughter, Ariana Grande, that actress from Underworld...

https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/pete-davidson.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1200

Hot women are going crazy for this anemic looking doorstop. He's barely funny, and constantly wants to commit suicide.

WHAT is his SECRET???

He's packing something even Ron Jeremy is jealous of.

[TommyT]

He's packing something even Ron Jeremy is jealous of.

Has to be the answer.

and there it is. 10 inches. (https://toofab.com/2019/01/14/pete-davidson-hooked-up-with-a-friend-consulted-her-about-penis-size-after-ariana-grande-split/)

[Leo656]

Just by glancing at his face I always assumed that he just has, like, ALL the cocaine. And that's probably mostly it.

That'll get you laid for sure no matter what you look like. Especially with those supermodel types. Chicks love that sh*t. You could literally be Rocky Dennis, but if you've got blow you'll always get A+ tail no matter what happens.

[IndigoErth]

Logs off game with friend after 2am.
Lemmie check the forum right quick before heading to bed.
Oh, that interesting thread has more posts...
:tconfuse: Thanks for the nightmares.

Congrats PD Turtles... you're definitely hot next to that train wreck.

[Leo656]

Logs off game with friend after 2am.
Lemmie check the forum right quick before heading to bed.
Oh, that interesting thread has more posts...
:tconfuse: Thanks for the nightmares.


Awww, that's too bad. I fix.

https://scontent.fewr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/65056369_1943965859036397_2121499946262724608_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ohc=va9P0Al8ZHIAX-av_KV&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-1.fna&oh=dcbe684ea7ed0877922bdef3d2ef440f&oe=5EBA2F9E

Sweet Dreams, hepcat. :tgrin:

[TommyT]

Awww, that's too bad. I fix.

https://scontent.fewr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/65056369_1943965859036397_2121499946262724608_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ohc=va9P0Al8ZHIAX-av_KV&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-1.fna&oh=dcbe684ea7ed0877922bdef3d2ef440f&oe=5EBA2F9E

Sweet Dreams, hepcat. :tgrin:


I badly want to cut your hair.

[Leo656]

Good f*cking luck. I'm undefeated in the Carolinas, pally.

[TommyT]

Good f*cking luck. I'm undefeated in the Carolinas, pally.

Undefeated in hair cutting?

[Leo656]

Haha, no, no.

I just realized you can tell that's a really old picture because that was before I broke down and started shaving my chest. :lol: Kind of a Michael P.S. Hayes thing goin' on there.

[TommyT]

Haha, no, no.

I just realized you can tell that's a really old picture because that was before I broke down and started shaving my chest. :lol: Kind of a Michael P.S. Hayes thing goin' on there.

Shave your chest, but won't cut the mullet?

dude... what?

[Leo656]

I'm not sure you understand what's valuable in a wrestling context. :lol: There's a whole internal logic to these things.

[TommyT]

I'm not sure you understand what's valuable in a wrestling context. :lol: There's a whole internal logic to these things.

Ok. You have me there.

BTW Margot has been out campainging for BOP again. TMZ caught up with her here outside a nightclub:

https://i.imgur.com/vSIiCiQ.jpg

She's really committed to the role.

[Leo656]

Jesus, I don't even think I have enough 8x10 shots of mine handy to counter that with.

[Sumac]

This guy on the last page looks like he was drinking for two weeks.

[IndigoErth]

Awww, that's too bad. I fix.

https://scontent.fewr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/65056369_1943965859036397_2121499946262724608_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ohc=va9P0Al8ZHIAX-av_KV&_nc_ht=scontent.fewr1-1.fna&oh=dcbe684ea7ed0877922bdef3d2ef440f&oe=5EBA2F9E

Sweet Dreams, hepcat. :tgrin:
lol Well that def steers it in a better direction and... oh now we have a scary lady too. Do you guys see now? Do you see why some cartoons are hotter in some cases? :tlol: (Though I assume that's at least from a movie.)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Agree! too much Beauty and the Beasts, Shape of Waters, Hana and Wolfman husbands from Wolf Children, Hellboy etc. already, it's getting stale.
he double standard that only human women can be in relationships with none humans is getting sickeningly DULL and very SEXIST which is quite frankly P£$$%&@ ME OFF! Why can't we have novels and comic book stories about a Conan like Barbarian character that romances none human babes? Cat/Wolf/Fish/Dragon and so on?!

I agree, the reverse genders feel more fresh! You know what grinds my gears? there's far too many human women with nonhuman men in pop culture! i mean i have nothing against that as i'm a supporter of outside species/race (outside the human race) romance in fiction but we need more human males X nonhuman females (furries or xenos or magical creature ladies and mutants).

But i'm very happy lately it's happening as that double standard of only human women are ok with nonhumans is slowly fading! i mean Superjail has a human man married to a lovely furry blonde alligator lady and had babies with her. And mainstream shows like Bojack Horseman and Regular Show with the Voltron reboot have human males with nonhuman females like Hunk/Shay in Voltron on Netflix plus Bojack Horseman as i'm very very happy especially with Hattonslayden's influential artworks lately as he is the same age as me and were taught growing up not to be a bigot/racist and treat people who are different looking as equals with skills and abilities and he only draws human males with nonhuman females like anthros/xenos/magical creature folk/mutants to stop this bigotry/sexism that "only human females can be with nonhuman looking nonhumans". The segreation of "we can only be together if we are the same race/species of being" and metaphorically spit in Martin Luther King Jr. face

And i'm glad lately with those shows lately it's finally happening, him and i do not like "Avataring" (like in James Cameron's avatar where the human male becomes the same species/race as the lover even at the end which pissed me off) and the sexist double standard (only human women can be with nonhuman men) just needed to go and it's finally happening. I don't like "Avataring" or any transformation of human male to "get with" some female who is different than them with the "we look different from each other and cannot accept each other".

so any story where a human man falls for a nonhuman woman and has to change his appearance to "get with" her is like "guess who's coming to dinner" where the main black protagonist physically changes into a white man at the end to suit the parents of the woman he loves and therefore they don't have to accept anything.

They need to learn from the most influential sci-fi/fantasy illustrator in recent memory Hatton Slayden to make people think twice on sexist double standards as i love his artworks and making mainstream sci-fi/fantasy artists, writers, video game makers, filmmakers and more think twice on double standards. The old double standard "only human women are ok to be with nonhumans" seems to be a throwback to when in holocaust times in Europe when Hitler and his nazis never considered Jews to be human.

Some who see Hatton's amazing artworks are declaring feminist wave of having human women exclusively the ones who reach and touch the hearts of other species sexist! and now since 2013 we have human male X furry/xeno female relationships with Regular Show, Bojack Horseman, Voltron Legendary Defender (Hunk and Shay), Warcraft the movie (the hybrid's parents being a human male and an orc female) etc. are the beginning of getting rid of sexist double standards/inequality as like i said the double standard of "Only human women are ok to be with nonhuman people" need to go and it finally is and Hatton is even pleased with it with Bojack Horseman, Regular Show, Warcraft the movie, Voltron Legendary Defender etc.
human females and Xeno/mutant/anthro male relationships John because it is so CLICHE and BORING to see those relationships over and over again. It's like writers are playing it too safe I mean how many men would love to make sweet love to Minerva Mink, Cheetara, Cleo from Catillac Cats, Cheetah from Justice League, Felicia, Pumarya, Demona, M'ress, that three breasted alien feline woman from Star Trek V, Lola Bunny, Mona Lisa from the original Ninja Turtles series, Felina Feral and Callie Briggs from Swat Kats and Kittrina from one episode of Filmation's He-Man and the Masters of the Universe?

but now to see human males X nonhuman females is finally a dream come true now with the shows i mentioned use to be rare but now thanks to the success of Regular Show and Voltron reboot and Bojack Horseman.

Here's Hatton's artworks
https://www.weasyl.com/submissions/hattonslayden




Not a turn off for me as i see furries, mutants, magical creature folk, cyborgs/androids and aliens as people who are different and i liked Cleo, Minerva Mink, Gadget, Mress, Felicia, Teryx from Dinosaucers, Sally Acorn, Armitage, Lola, Cheetara/Pumarya and more as a kid and a teen in the 80s and 90s.

And have you seen the movie Wolf Children? i don't see a problem with Hana and her wolfman husband making out in that one scene as he's a person who is different and they are the parents of the title kids in that Japanese animated fantasy drama.

I'm even doing a story series where Julie Bruin from Tiny Toon Adventures, remember that sexy busty bear woman? has an affair with a human man and both are consenting adult beings. Even her parents will soon accept just because he's not of the furry (animal humanoid person) race doesn't mean it's bad but to accept him. And they even get married and produce kids.



And there's tons of romances of nonhumans with different nonhumans like say an android dating xenos in Star Trek or Mass Effect, elf people with fish people like Hellboy and Zelda, a story online of Transformers where an autobot dates an alien princess, elf males with Argonian and Khajit females in Skyrim and more.


I dunno, I wouldn't say it's less common- look at all the examples you just sited, not to mention there have been plenty even before that. There are examples throughout history of human males falling for non-human females, in Celtic, Greek/Roman, Japanese, and Chinese myths. Celtic has selkies, merwomen, and other very strange fey or monstrous females marrying men, Japan has similar stories, India has naga women, China has the myth of the White Snake woman, Greece and Rome have nymphs, sirens, and harpies, all of which will lure men, and there are many others as well. And of course Star Trek is rife with it- male crewmen falling for female aliens of all sorts, even Klingons! So its plenty equal on both sides, it's just that the differences are often greater on the female side, given that men seem to be more attracted to a pretty package. And I think that is where the disparity comes in, although even that's not definite, given the VERY big differences in cross-species pairings like Donkey/Dragon in Shrek!

[Leo656]

I do think there are certain societal factors and imbalances, though. I've seen plenty of women speak out loud to such things and not be given any more than maybe a chuckle or an eyebrow raise, but I've also seen guys be given serious heat for the same. It definitely doesn't feel equal, to me.

I haven't seen "Shape of Water", for example, but I'm familiar with the story, so it feels like a good example of the disparity. And in my head it just completely seems like the kind of story where, if the main character was a guy and almost everything else was the same, instead of giving it an Oscar and telling everyone to go see it, people would probably be all like "What kind of sick pervert made this movie? That guy just f*cked a fish!" :lol: Maybe I'm wrong but that's how it feels to me.

[TommyT]

lol Well that def steers it in a better direction and... oh now we have a scary lady too. Do you guys see now? Do you see why some cartoons are hotter in some cases? :tlol: (Though I assume that's at least from a movie.)

How dare you! That's my mother!!!

[Coola Yagami]

I do think there are certain societal factors and imbalances, though. I've seen plenty of women speak out loud to such things and not be given any more than maybe a chuckle or an eyebrow raise, but I've also seen guys be given serious heat for the same. It definitely doesn't feel equal, to me.

I haven't seen "Shape of Water", for example, but I'm familiar with the story, so it feels like a good example of the disparity. And in my head it just completely seems like the kind of story where, if the main character was a guy and almost everything else was the same, instead of giving it an Oscar and telling everyone to go see it, people would probably be all like "What kind of sick pervert made this movie? That guy just f*cked a fish!" :lol: Maybe I'm wrong but that's how it feels to me.

I mean, you're not wrong.

[Coola Yagami]

Just by glancing at his face I always assumed that he just has, like, ALL the cocaine. And that's probably mostly it.

That'll get you laid for sure no matter what you look like. Especially with those supermodel types. Chicks love that sh*t. You could literally be Rocky Dennis, but if you've got blow you'll always get A+ tail no matter what happens.
As a boring drugfree individual, Hollywood just ain't got me. It's too late for me but if I ever became some sort of star I'd probably end up marrying the high school sweetheart of my town or whatever rather than risk drama with anyone in the business.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, I dunno, The Shape of Water crosses the line for me personally. I had wanted to root for the two characters, but the film failed to gradually reveal a more human-like nature of the fish man like I'd hoped and expected it would, so it was a disappointment imo.

I mean, he learns some very basic sign language, but not enough to actually understand or show the desire to have an actual conversation of some kind of length, and then he runs around on all fours and eats the cat. So, nope. Maybe some viewers see it differently, but for me personally, he would not pass my "dinner and a movie" test to be human-like enough to go messing around with. lol

A guy eating my neighbor's cat would be a real turn off for me to be perfectly honest. :tlol:

At best there are theories the female lead could be of his species or a hybrid and that would be fine by me given how it went... Either way that movie was not without controversy and people questioning the content. lol


How dare you! That's my mother!!!
Oh, I'm sorry. About that being your mother.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I do think there are certain societal factors and imbalances, though. I've seen plenty of women speak out loud to such things and not be given any more than maybe a chuckle or an eyebrow raise, but I've also seen guys be given serious heat for the same. It definitely doesn't feel equal, to me.

I haven't seen "Shape of Water", for example, but I'm familiar with the story, so it feels like a good example of the disparity. And in my head it just completely seems like the kind of story where, if the main character was a guy and almost everything else was the same, instead of giving it an Oscar and telling everyone to go see it, people would probably be all like "What kind of sick pervert made this movie? That guy just f*cked a fish!" :lol: Maybe I'm wrong but that's how it feels to me.


From what I've seen, the only REAL disparity comes from the "attractiveness" factor of the non-human lady in question. Like, does she have attributes that are considered "hot", or no? (I think you know which ones I mean, but I'll not be so crass as to specify.) In contrast, a human woman with a non-human male has far more leeway in terms of looks, since it's usually more about his inner self. Which is kind of the point of these kinds of stories- that ANYONE can find love, no matter what they are on the outside. That same theme is harder to make work in reverse, because- to use the Shape of Water example, WOULD a guy have gone for a fish-lady? If she looked like a blueish Angelina Jolie with fins and gills, maybe, but as the creature WAS? Eh, not so much.

This is why we see so many hot cat-girls or what-have-you's, but not so many beast-girls or weird fish-girls in fiction- it's just not appealing to the male audience. Women on the other hand, seem a lot less interested in his physical looks, so long as he can be the kind of guy she wants in her life- caring, strong, intelligent, and decent. Beast being a magically transformed PRINCE didn't hurt, either!

[Leo656]

I think it would be better all-around if it were less of a big deal on either side though.

Way back in either junior high or early high school, I swear my buddy was thisclose to catching a beating from some other guys we were casual friends with. I'unno if he was a "furry" per se but we'd known each other since we were like 5 and I knew which cartoon chicks he crushed on, and somehow while in this "guys hanging out BS-ing" situation one of the other guys brought up how "gross" it was to have a crush on a cartoon character, especially one that wasn't strictly human. And then the escalation starts, and it goes from "That's gross" to, "Those guys are total losers", to "They're all probably f****ts" to "They're all probably pedos" and then "They should all be rounded up and gassed," and so on.

And I'm just shaking my head since I have nothing to add to the conversation, but my poor buddy, who really wants to fit in with these guys, keeps nodding and being like "Yeah, yeah!", and then at every chance keeps casting pleading glances at me like, "PLEASE don't say anything, I want these guys to like me, or at least not kick my ass." And of course I didn't say anything, because it did kinda seem like they might have made a big deal out of it and I didn't know them that well, but I felt like the entire situation was incredibly silly and overblown.

I'm drawing a blank on what started the whole thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was about Lola Bunny since the timing adds up (would have been around 96-ish but no later). Otherwise I don't know how else such a random conversation would have gotten started in the first place. Someone most likely brought up the Space Jam movie and it all escalated from there.

But yeah, if they'd actually ended up trying to get violent with my friend because he may or may not have gotten a boner for a cartoon rabbit, they definitely wouldn't have been the Good Guys in that situation as far as I'm concerned. And I kinda think that if a group of girls had a similar conversation about, I'unno, Lion-O or one of the Ninja Turtles, there might have been some eye-rolls but no implied threats of violence.

So I do feel like there's a certain double-standard in how the topic is discussed, and in turn how people are graded/judged, depending on whether it's from the male or female perspective. Guys do seem to find the whole thing more distasteful in general, and take that distaste to a fairly unhealthy degree. And that's kinda silly. I actually think it's even sillier than wanting to f*ck a fictional character in the first place. One is harmless, the other is not.

[IndigoErth]

Like, does she have attributes that are considered "hot", or no?
Aka thank god Platinum Dunes did not include Venus. :tlol:

[Leo656]

My standards are pretty wide-open but I don't think that would've worked for me. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

From what I've seen, the only REAL disparity comes from the "attractiveness" factor of the non-human lady in question. Like, does she have attributes that are considered "hot", or no? (I think you know which ones I mean, but I'll not be so crass as to specify.) In contrast, a human woman with a non-human male has far more leeway in terms of looks, since it's usually more about his inner self. Which is kind of the point of these kinds of stories- that ANYONE can find love, no matter what they are on the outside. That same theme is harder to make work in reverse, because- to use the Shape of Water example, WOULD a guy have gone for a fish-lady? If she looked like a blueish Angelina Jolie with fins and gills, maybe, but as the creature WAS? Eh, not so much.

This is why we see so many hot cat-girls or what-have-you's, but not so many beast-girls or weird fish-girls in fiction- it's just not appealing to the male audience. Women on the other hand, seem a lot less interested in his physical looks, so long as he can be the kind of guy she wants in her life- caring, strong, intelligent, and decent. Beast being a magically transformed PRINCE didn't hurt, either!

Hmmm you do raise a good point. The woman does seem to fall for the beast despite appearances, but the female version usually does need some sort sexual allure.

I guess women want to see some sort of 'romamce story', while for men, if there isn't some sort of 'yeah, I'd hit that' factor there's a bit of disconnect. Like it's hard to empathize why the male character would risk their lives for the female entity if she isn't at least somewhat attractive.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Exactly. While there does seem to be a bit of inequality, it's certainly not in the numerical category, but rather the age-old double-standard of "hot chick falls for the nerd/geek/outcast/fat/etc. guy", while the reverse rarely happens- unless she has some hidden "hotness" that only shows after a total makeover, like in countless movies where some outcast girl is made the butt of jokes until some guy with a modicum of decency or as part of a bet/dare/whatever, deigns to show her some attention and bring her out into the light, as it were. I see cross-species stories in the same vein, since it's basically a similar situation, IE she is the outsider where he is "normal". And it certainly IS a double-standard, but it's really the same one that has faced humans of every culture through history. AKA, "if she ain't hot, it ain't worth it". I mean, given a choice, would an average guy go for Oola, or the other dancer in Jabba's palace? (Never mind that if you know the other one's backstory, it makes a huge difference....)

[IndigoErth]

My standards are pretty wide-open but I don't think that would've worked for me. :lol:
lol Not even if Venus was put in place of Megan Fox hanging out the truck window going "EH! EH!" or whatever that stupid noise that was she was making, while "Vern" stared at her ass? :tlol: Probably about right for how PD would have used her.

[TommyT]

But see, this is exactly whats wrong with the whole Jennika storyline. It ignores the reality of how womwn react to being “other” and how men do, especially when they were not
before.

In Frankenstein, the monster isn’t happy but figures he’s feel less lonely with a bride - but not a healthy, normal bride, he wants some zombievag.

When Frankenstein, though horrified, finally relents, the “othered” man gets a companion. The problem of course, is said companion, realizing she’s now nasty and full of stank, wants to off herself.

Maybe there’s more truth here than in a story where the othered woman gets the man. Men are accepting of them but women rarely accept themselves.

[Andrew NDB]

Aka thank god Platinum Dunes did not include Venus. :tlol:

Might have been better if they had. Just like "Into the Shadows" threw Bebop, Rocksteady, Krang, Technodrome, and Stephen Amell's movie career into a burning barrel of box office radioactivity, they could've added Venus in there as well. It would've improved the odds of not seeing her again.

[PApagreg]

Aka thank god Platinum Dunes did not include Venus. :tlol:

I did like Sophie Campbell's take on her, not going to lie I find her kinda attractive

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-yosrfXoAA-5Dt.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/68/74/59/6874599bfc8d8afe339b950288f7c174.jpg

[Sumac]

I did like Sophie Campbell's take on her, not going to lie I find her kinda attractive
She looks vaguely recognizably female and doesn't have (visible) dick, not morbidly obese or even slightly fat?
Color me surprised!

I mean, how unprogressive!! Where's muh anger crowd of Twitter blue checkmarks to spread shame over this horrible display of sexism and intolerance! I am SHOOOK! SHOOK, I tell you. Where's my safespace? :twink:

Exactly. While there does seem to be a bit of inequality, it's certainly not in the numerical category, but rather the age-old double-standard of "hot chick falls for the nerd/geek/outcast/fat/etc. guy", while the reverse rarely happens- unless she has some hidden "hotness" that only shows after a total makeover, like in countless movies where some outcast girl is made the butt of jokes until some guy with a modicum of decency or as part of a bet/dare/whatever, deigns to show her some attention and bring her out into the light, as it were. I see cross-species stories in the same vein, since it's basically a similar situation, IE she is the outsider where he is "normal". And it certainly IS a double-standard, but it's really the same one that has faced humans of every culture through history. AKA, "if she ain't hot, it ain't worth it". I mean, given a choice, would an average guy go for Oola, or the other dancer in Jabba's palace? (Never mind that if you know the other one's backstory, it makes a huge difference....)
Because in social standards it is considered that men should manly and women should be beautiful. And for man being "nerdy" is the same as for a woman being ugly, thus the pattern.

Also, most of the time male monsters are not that ugly either. Beast has nice physique, for example.

I am not entirely on the board with those standards, but on other hand, modern trend of thinking that being spineless hysterical idiot, who should be giving everything just because s/he breaths and that living without taking shower, caring about your appearance, being obese is normal (because, your inner beauty is what matters!!) is repulsing all the same and doesn't lead to anything good.

[IndigoErth]

I did like Sophie Campbell's take on her, not going to lie I find her kinda attractive

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-yosrfXoAA-5Dt.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/68/74/59/6874599bfc8d8afe339b950288f7c174.jpg
Yeah, I've seen that art in the past and agree it's pretty cute. If I had to be a mutant Turtle, I wouldn't mind that kind of look. (Maybe just still tone down that PD shell height.)

I like that you can pick up on it that she's a girl, but it's not stupidly in your face by being super obvious and throwing a bunch of human/mammal qualities in there where they shouldn't be. Simply making facial features and muscle tone just a tad softer can go a long way.

If the original incarnation of Venus is supposed to be about the same age as the boys, they kind of missed the fact that female turtles actually tend to be larger. So at the very least it makes sense for other versions, such as Jennika's mutant form, to be at least their size; though the newest girl being older might have made sense to be bigger or at least taller.




edit: So if we're going to have this odd (but amusing) topic then lets just throw this out there for fun.

Cutest fictional behind. Who do you choose. :D

I'll be a good sport and say that for a while now I've thought PD Leo (2016) has the cutest fictional (clothed) man tush I've ever seen. I admit it. The 3D modeler responsible is very talented at male behinds.

[Egon1982]

Ah, I literally just watched this the other day for the first time in years. :D I don't quite recall the quote... was it him saying that he loved her no matter what she was, or something of that nature? I did get to wondering about him trying to get with her while watching this...and how this was literally shrugged off back in the day as kids and no one cared. lol

I did wish it has turned out he was a Unicorn too and just didn't remember...


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The Turtles never really bothered me in this regard, since shelly bits aside, they're otherwise largely just green people who are just a bit more (okay totally) hairless than humans (or most humans) -- with us being rather bare compared to the majority of other mammals -- and not so different in that regard, so it's not hard to give them a pass. They're rather close to the human end on the anthro scale.

Now characters with FUR is a whole other matter and no thank you.

No thank you? characters with fur can be sexy even to ladies like you.

I mean ladies like Vincent from the Beauty and the Beast series or the Wolf Man from Wolf Children.

when he found out Amalthea's identity is is it's meaning is because of the utter devotion that it implies, he love Amalthea, the essence of her, and no.matter what she is or was it wouldn't or couldn't sway him from that affection. And it's also 100 percent true, if you love that person you love them despite their appearance. he means that outer appearance is irrelevant in the eye of the beholder, it's her essence and innerbeauty that matters and loves her for she is.

And there's even an alternate ending story where what if Amalthea didn't changed back to a regular feral unicorn 4 legged creature but instead turned into an anthrofied furrified Bojack style unicorn furry woman and Lir still loves her and all. Even she has human emotions and still has immortality which she also gives to Lir too as they are destined soulmates. And Schmendrick weds Lir and Amalthea thus having Lir's real dad who's a barkeeper and have him be king of Hagsgate. And how they go back to her woods as there's a cottage there that use to belong to a wizard before he died and they have kids too

Exactly. While there does seem to be a bit of inequality, it's certainly not in the numerical category, but rather the age-old double-standard of "hot chick falls for the nerd/geek/outcast/fat/etc. guy", while the reverse rarely happens- unless she has some hidden "hotness" that only shows after a total makeover, like in countless movies where some outcast girl is made the butt of jokes until some guy with a modicum of decency or as part of a bet/dare/whatever, deigns to show her some attention and bring her out into the light, as it were. I see cross-species stories in the same vein, since it's basically a similar situation, IE she is the outsider where he is "normal". And it certainly IS a double-standard, but it's really the same one that has faced humans of every culture through history. AKA, "if she ain't hot, it ain't worth it". I mean, given a choice, would an average guy go for Oola, or the other dancer in Jabba's palace? (Never mind that if you know the other one's backstory, it makes a huge difference....)

There needs role reversal for now to balance the scales.

Bojack Horseman, Regular Show's Margot's parents being a bird woman and a human man, Voltron Legendary Defender's Hunk and Shay and more have the reversal now. And have you seen Hatton's artworks?

And do you think my Julie Bruin X human man story sounds sweet? remember that sexy busty redheaded bear lady on

[Egon1982]

Am I in the wrong if I prefer the elf mage Rinna from Shining Resonance over any human female in the game? lol

What do you think of Rouge from Sonic or Felicia from Darkstalkers?

[IndigoErth]

No thank you? characters with fur can be sexy even to ladies like you.
Well, as women aren't a hive mind I was speaking for myself alone. Maybe some "ladies like [me]" find some fur-havers sexy, but I just haven't.

But that just means, for the people who are into fur, the fur-people are all yours. ;)

[Egon1982]

Well, as women aren't a hive mind I was speaking for myself alone. Maybe some "ladies like [me]" find some fur-havers sexy, but I just haven't.

But that just means, for the people who are into fur, the fur-people are all yours. ;)

Scale people you like?

[IndigoErth]

I've never been too much into non-humans in that way, but the Turtles are like my one exception. Though even then I personally see them as being somewhat of a hybrid and partly human to a degree, and, shelly bits aside, not so unlike us since humans are rather bare skinned compared to most other mammals and their own "scaly" skin itself is more of just a texture thing and not literal scales.

After the real world "knowing" them for over 3 1/2 decades it's so easy to give them a pass and just see them as green people (with body armor).


Though I've wondered sometimes how mad they'd be if they showed up in the real world and found they still might not be accepted, yet sit there seeing how much we jam pack pop culture and entertainment in general with so many fictional non-human characters that we like. That would probably be so insulting. :ohwell:

[Leo656]

I think a lot of people have at least one "exception". My wife thinks the whole "furry" thing is bizarre BUT she crushed on Beast when she was younger (maybe still does, I'unno :lol:). And she claims she doesn't crush on the Turtles but occasionally she'll see a piece of art or a photo posed a certain way or whatever and be like "Whoa, that's actually kinda hot."

So yeah, I think even if it's not a person's general "thing" I think a lot of people have at least one exception.

[IndigoErth]

Hey, everyone gets one "free pass" right? :tlol: At least if it's a highly unlikely celebrity or fictional character, that one "exception" included. :trazz:

I'm sure your wife is definitely far from alone in noticing that. Some versions and/or art styles and representations of them certainly have a bit of exotic hottie potential and some talented artists out there, both fan and official, definitely find it sometimes. :D

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Exactly. I've noticed that the guys seem to be the ones who bring up "hotness" factor more often than not, which I think is rather telling. And yes, I'll admit to personally having had crushes on certain non-human characters, BUT, it was never about their looks- it was always the personality. Artists or visual effects people who can somehow make such male characters still look physically appealing are certainly a plus, but it's not neccessary, IMO. But for some reason, whenever the subject comes up, guys are the first to say "he/she's hot!" So there is definitely something to the "equivalency" debate, but I don't think it's what some claim, but rather WHAT guys focus on in the non-human partner compared to what women focus on in the same situation. Fish guy in Shape of Water was hardly "attractive", but he was kind, decent, intelligent, and accepted her in spite of differences, and even language barriers. But would a guy have found a female of the same creature romantically appealing? Say, the same creature, but female, and the main character a guy? Seems very unlikely unless she had pretty eyes, a shapely figure (fish-boobs optional), and some kind of physical adornments (like frilly fins, or whatever) How is there ever going to be any equivalency in the non-human fiction when the focus is on two completely different things? It's a psychological wiring issue, not a problem with the fiction itself.

[Sumac]

Though I've wondered sometimes how mad they'd be if they showed up in the real world and found they still might not be accepted, yet sit there seeing how much we jam pack pop culture and entertainment in general with so many fictional non-human characters that we like. That would probably be so insulting. :ohwell:
Nothing to be insulted about.

Fantasizing about loving and ****ing intelligent humanoid animal / alien is one thing, dealing with it in real world is whole another matter.

[Egon1982]

And in some stories humans think they are "superior" and think cyborgs, mutants, androids, furries, aliens and magical creature folk are "inferior" like in X-Men comics or Bojack Horseman or Star Trek or Gargoyles.

Like i said androids, cyborgs, furries, aliens, mutants and magical creature folk are people who are different and not "inferior". as in some stories there's war between two different races of beings like humans and aliens even wars against furries, mutants and all people who are different.

It's all about looks versus special skills and abilities. I was raised by entertainment like X-Men comics/TAS, Star Trek TAS, the Beauty and the Beast series, Alien Nation and more all taught me never to judge a book by one's cover but who the person is.

No different than in real life like in the US in the old times, the white man felt they were "superior" to the Native Americans and thought the Native Americans were "inferior". Even saying things like " Indians are… inferior to the Anglo-Saxon. (Henry Clay, Sec. of State, 1825)", " The life of these [aborigines] is…not human. (Author Hugh Brackenridge, 1779)" and " The Indian…is an wild untamable, carnivorous animal. (Dr. Josiah Nott, 1847)". And no different than in Nazi times when Hitler said " Jews are undoubtedly a race, but not human." as Hitler and the Nazis thought they were "superior" to the Jews and Gypsies as they thought those people were "inferior" and had propaganda stuff which depicted them as "parasites" and "rats". Or in Rwanda Africa when the Hutus thought the Tutsis were "inferior" and made anti-tutsi propaganda depicting them as "cockroaches" and "snakes".

In Marvel's world, the mutants are seen as "inferior" by mankind and some prove they want to fit in and not be judged by their appearances and skills/abilities. Even the anti-mutant hate group called Friends of Humanity has a leader who is half-mutant and resents his father.

I don't see anything wrong with an android having a date with an alien or a gargoyle with an elf or an elf with a furry or with a mutant or a mutant having an affair with a furry or an alien dating a furry or even a human having an affair with a cyborg/mutant/furry/alien/magical creature person.

Look at Abe and the elf princess in Hellboy 2, isn't that just adorable of two non human folks having a little relationship? a shame what happened with her.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/18/df/5c/18df5c9771108266a8b57fe342d383bb.jpg

or Marina the mermaid with Handy Smurf?
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/smurfs/images/c/cf/Handy_And_Marina.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/340?cb=20130921132845

or one of Hatton Slayden's artworks?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSdA29pY0J5nzVxLAHFEaQTYLIVW7k hl8awdI4dvsJf1FtUWMrF

[Egon1982]

Why this is a thread?

Also, that thing in the first post on this page is...ugh...my nightmares looks less horrifying than this.

First post? what do you mean horrifying?

[neatoman]

First post? what do you mean horrifying?

Bestiality

[Egon1982]

Bestiality

No it's not! they are all people who are different.

Your saying the same thing they said in colonial times about mixing ethnciity or in old times about same sex relationships

[PApagreg]

Bestiality

You don't know what bestiality is do you?

[IndigoErth]

I meannnn...if we wanna get technical and based solely on the real world because that's the only real experience there is to go by, the definition of course refers to animals who can't consent. Innocent regular little animals who can't agree to be involved in some weirdo human's fetish.

However, the real world has kind of a blank space where intelligent sentient anthro beings are concerned since they're, you know, not real. (Well, unless aliens show up, though they probably won't understand Earthling -- human and otherwise -- mating stuff either.)

Though if anything interspecies in fiction counted as bestiality, then given their history of non-mutant-turtle romantic interests...those Turtles are sooo guilty of it themselves. :tlol: And it's not just Leo and his human lady friends... no no... Raph and Mona Lisa and his fox/coyote ladies, for example, are so equally guilty. Being mutants or fellow anthro animal people still does not make you the same! lol

But, they're all people. And maybe a being that can be considered people should not be left on the same lowly level of a regular little animal that can't makes its own sentient decisions.

(And yes I'm overthinking it because it's fun.)

[Egon1982]

I meannnn...if we wanna get technical and based solely on the real world because that's the only real experience there is to go by, the definition of course refers to animals who can't consent. Innocent regular little animals who can't agree to be involved in some weirdo human's fetish.

However, the real world has kind of a blank space where intelligent sentient anthro beings are concerned since they're, you know, not real. (Well, unless aliens show up, though they probably won't understand Earthling -- human and otherwise -- mating stuff either.)

Though if anything interspecies in fiction counted as bestiality, then given their history of non-mutant-turtle romantic interests...those Turtles are sooo guilty of it themselves. :tlol: And it's not just Leo and his human lady friends... no no... Raph and Mona Lisa and his fox/coyote ladies, for example, are so equally guilty. Being mutants or fellow anthro animal people still does not make you the same! lol

But, they're all people. And maybe a being that can be considered people should not be left on the same lowly level of a regular little animal that can't makes its own sentient decisions.

(And yes I'm overthinking it because it's fun.)

Yes furries, aliens, cyborgs/androids, mutants and magical creature folk are all people who are different.

How do you feel if an alien dated an android?

[neatoman]

No it's not! they are all people who are different.

Your saying the same thing they said in colonial times about mixing ethnciity or in old times about same sex relationships

You don't know what bestiality is do you?

I know the difference, it's just that I get that this sort of thing tends to get associated with bestiality, which is why some people don't like it. Personally I don't care, it's about fictional species.

[Sumac]

No different than in real life like in the US in the old times, the white man felt they were "superior" to the Native Americans and thought the Native Americans were "inferior". Even saying things like " Indians are… inferior to the Anglo-Saxon. (Henry Clay, Sec. of State, 1825)", " The life of these [aborigines] is…not human. (Author Hugh Brackenridge, 1779)" and " The Indian…is an wild untamable, carnivorous animal. (Dr. Josiah Nott, 1847)". And no different than in Nazi times when Hitler said " Jews are undoubtedly a race, but not human." as Hitler and the Nazis thought they were "superior" to the Jews and Gypsies as they thought those people were "inferior" and had propaganda stuff which depicted them as "parasites" and "rats". Or in Rwanda Africa when the Hutus thought the Tutsis were "inferior" and made anti-tutsi propaganda depicting them as "cockroaches" and "snakes".
Comparing lack of desire to **** cartoon animals with real world racism and discrimination is sad and weird.

Maybe you should get some help or at least take a breather.

First post? what do you mean horrifying?
It looks like an uncanny version of a realistic cartoon rabbit.

[Egon1982]

Comparing lack of desire to **** cartoon animals with real world racism and discrimination is sad and weird.

Maybe you should get some help or at least take a breather.


It looks like an uncanny version of a realistic cartoon rabbit.

Hatton Slayden is not uncanny valley stuff, i like realistic anthro folks in his art and you have to admit that is a good work of art.

Anthros, mutants, cyborgs and aliens are races of beings as aliens do exist somewhere yet cyborgs/androids might be created sometime and race doesn't mean skin pigmentation/ethnicity you know.

Why say animals? they are people who are different. How do you feel about Cherokees who were called "animals" and "inferior to the ango-saxton" in the old days even when they said "the constitution does not include Indians as persons" in 1881 even Author Hugh Buckenridge in the late 1770s saying "they are not human"?


Mutants are people in X-Men's world you know and they were hated because of how they look and have abilities and humans find them "inferior" race of beings compared to humans. Even anthros in some stories where they coexist with humans are considered "inferior" by bigoted humans.

thin line on anthros? nope, only ignorant folks make that line blurred. basically boils down to cognitive abilities verses looks

and yes i can blame them because of the blatant intent behind their arguments. and domination. no different than a book that was published in the south in the US long ago in the 1800s and was a guide to why people of different skin color were not human by Buckner Payne. Or Nazi propaganda in holocaust time where the Nazis felt they were "superior" and thought Jews and gypsies were "inferior" even a book published in Germany in 1940 that was a guide to why Jews were not human but "rats" or "parasites" with pictures of Jews and gypsies as parasites and rats and cockroaches.

Even in Rwanda Africa when Tutsis were at war with Hutus, Hutus made anti-tutsi propaganda pamphlets depicting Tutsis as "cockroaches" and "snakes".


Those who say any person who does not look human is ""if it is different it is inferior" and anthros with aliens, mutants and cyborgs are not "inferior", they are equals to humans in stories and some are even prettier than humans even in Hatton's artworks.

Me and Hatton are similar as we were raised not to judge people by how anyone looks but as equals who are different with special skills and abilities. And Anthros (even Minerva Mink to Hatton's artworks) are people too like aliens and mutants.

And in stories any human or alien attracted to an anthro or mutant or nonhuman looking alien is no different than being attracted to someone of a different ethnic background, different culture, religion and all. And no different than two homosexuals having a relationship.


Why like Twilek's? those those are so overrated and poor lowest common alien designs.

Now these are superior female aliens to humanaliens like Twileks.
https://guides.gamepressure.com/xcom2/gfx/word/423633756.jpg
https://d.facdn.net/art/hattonslayden/1426621655/1426621655.hattonslayden_3516.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8d/7a/cc/8d7acc613d52c1a15dfaa271d88c2f97.jpg
https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2765/4175545127_cc63f7d16b_o.jpg

[Egon1982]

I know the difference, it's just that I get that this sort of thing tends to get associated with bestiality, which is why some people don't like it. Personally I don't care, it's about fictional species.

Anthros are people who are different, it doesn't go in beastiality as just because they have an animal like appearance don't mean they are actually a lower animal creature on 4 legs like Pluto or anyone's pet dog. To say it's beasitliy is the same thing they said about mixing ethnicity in colonial times.

I mean like in Bojack Horseman or Hatton Slayden's artworks as anthros are people who are different even Rebecca Cunningham on Talespin is hot and so is Krystal, M'ress in Star Trek franchise (alien cat woman as she is more woman than lower animal) and Cheetah on Justice League to Hatton Slayden's anthro women.

There's such a variety of possibility of combination of aesthetics and personality. Ultimately isn't it the personality that matters, not how they look or are shaped?

I roll my eyes at anti-*insert species here* silliness and stereotyping. People are impatient to get to know anyone. But, ultimately, priorities make a person... and priorities rarely involve actually giving a **** about what is ACTUALLY going on and taking time to understand one another.

And in stories, anthros and aliens and mutants are not "inferior" as some humans who don't find anyone who doesn't look human as "inferior" and think humans have a "superiority" complex, those who say they are "superior" are usually inferior minds themselves who believe in that stuff. Just like the Nazis thought they were "superior" to the Jews as the nazis are the inferior minds themselves.

[Sumac]

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You are very disturbed and obsessed person.

Also, you comparison between nazi's treatment of Jews and how people "treat" fictional cartoon animals / robots / aliens / whatever is distasteful and moronic. It is either speaks of your insanity or lack of understanding.

[Egon1982]

You are very disturbed and obsessed person.

Also, you comparison between nazi's treatment of Jews and how people "treat" fictional cartoon animals / robots / aliens / whatever is distasteful and moronic. It is either speaks of your insanity or lack of understanding.

animals? you mean people who are different and robots? androids/cyborgs you think are machines but are people as are mutants and aliens.

Disturbed? screw you.

Don't make me go Goku on you.

How do you feel about live action interspecies relationships like Vastra and Jenny's relationship on Doctor Who? the cat man and that woman on Doctor Who or Deckard and Rachel in Blade Runner?

[Andrew NDB]

Egon = SuperGoku?

[Andrew NDB]

He's barely funny, and constantly wants to commit suicide.

OK, that's really true. :lol: He doesn't even want to be alive most of the time, yet he's pulling Ariana Grande and Kate Beckinsale. Maybe we're approaching things all wrong?

[Sumac]

animals? you mean people who are different and robots? androids/cyborgs you think are machines but are people as are mutants and aliens.
But are mutants and aliens are robots? as they are humans that are? Diffenret?

Disturbed? screw you.
Don't make me go Goku on you.
A totally rational and nob-disturbed person reaction.

How do you feel about live action interspecies relationships like Vastra and Jenny's relationship on Doctor Who? the cat man and that woman on Doctor Who or Deckard and Rachel in Blade Runner?
Dude, calm down. I am laughing my ass off of your meltdowns and "arguments", but really, stop it.

We got it, you want to **** some furry pussy. It's OK, dude, everyone has their kinks and fetishes and what not.

Just stop trying to convince people that it is normal and that "fictional cartoon animals are people too". It sounds like some sort of cult nonsense or some crazy autistic ****.

[Egon1982]

I totally buy some people being interested in beastiality. It totally exists.

Those people are also mentally ill, but still...

"Though, for some reason, I fully expect you to try and **** octopus just to prove me wrong.

There is a difference between ugly and average. Most people in fact are average / mediocre.

The lies about "true beauty is on the inside" is such a childish nonsense, nonetheless.

Humans do indeed have certain traits they usually look in their partners, thanks to the million years of evolution, as well, as some social conditioning."

You are all about looks versus special skills and abilities Sumac. Appearances should never matter.

and yes i can blame them because of the blatant intent behind their arguments. bullying and domination. no different than a book that was published in the south long ago when slavery still legally existed and was a guide to why people of different skin color were not human. And it was written by clergyman Buckner payne saying "the negro is not a human being and not descended from adam and eve".

And you gotta admit Hatton is a damn good artist at making realistic anthros and alien women. And i like realistic anthro and alien women like in his artworks.

Anthros are people who look different even Krystal to Hatton's anthro women.

[Egon1982]

Hmmm you do raise a good point. The woman does seem to fall for the beast despite appearances, but the female version usually does need some sort sexual allure.

I guess women want to see some sort of 'romamce story', while for men, if there isn't some sort of 'yeah, I'd hit that' factor there's a bit of disconnect. Like it's hard to empathize why the male character would risk their lives for the female entity if she isn't at least somewhat attractive.

Exactly. While there does seem to be a bit of inequality, it's certainly not in the numerical category, but rather the age-old double-standard of "hot chick falls for the nerd/geek/outcast/fat/etc. guy", while the reverse rarely happens- unless she has some hidden "hotness" that only shows after a total makeover, like in countless movies where some outcast girl is made the butt of jokes until some guy with a modicum of decency or as part of a bet/dare/whatever, deigns to show her some attention and bring her out into the light, as it were. I see cross-species stories in the same vein, since it's basically a similar situation, IE she is the outsider where he is "normal". And it certainly IS a double-standard, but it's really the same one that has faced humans of every culture through history. AKA, "if she ain't hot, it ain't worth it". I mean, given a choice, would an average guy go for Oola, or the other dancer in Jabba's palace? (Never mind that if you know the other one's backstory, it makes a huge difference....)

I dunno, I wouldn't say it's less common- look at all the examples you just sited, not to mention there have been plenty even before that. There are examples throughout history of human males falling for non-human females, in Celtic, Greek/Roman, Japanese, and Chinese myths. Celtic has selkies, merwomen, and other very strange fey or monstrous females marrying men, Japan has similar stories, India has naga women, China has the myth of the White Snake woman, Greece and Rome have nymphs, sirens, and harpies, all of which will lure men, and there are many others as well. And of course Star Trek is rife with it- male crewmen falling for female aliens of all sorts, even Klingons! So its plenty equal on both sides, it's just that the differences are often greater on the female side, given that men seem to be more attracted to a pretty package. And I think that is where the disparity comes in, although even that's not definite, given the VERY big differences in cross-species pairings like Donkey/Dragon in Shrek!

Well like i said they are getting rid of the dumb double standards "only human women can be with nonhuman looking nonhumans" is going away thanks to Bojack Horseman, Voltron Legendary Defender, Hatton Slayden's artworks, Regular Show and more. Now we need a game or a live action movie on it and.


And how do you all feel about the viper alien women in Xcom games? i think they are very attractive.

I think I found a newfound sexual attraction to sexy anthro cobras without a human appearance or face. I for some reason find them sexier with a more realistic, anthro look (especially the face), than a human hybrid.

https://www.furaffinity.net/view/13186271/

And here's another one by him on a dragoness which is one of his most popular artworks.
https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/288d3057-21b7-49cd-8ab4-fa0bbeb26e63/d5azl9r-f22f43d7-701e-44ee-b046-04897bb09272.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJ IUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQz NzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZT BkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6 W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzI4OGQzMDU3LTIxYjctNDljZC04YW I0LWZhMGJiZWIyNmU2M1wvZDVhemw5ci1mMjJmNDNkNy03MDFl LTQ0ZWUtYjA0Ni0wNDg5N2JiMDkyNzIuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIj pbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.s7R6-xZTbxhSsXkvp6-Nytx4_44v5ci-OkHlxE5FaQM

Two people who look different from each other and accepting each other's differences.

[Sumac]

Do we have a doctor? We clearly have a mental guy here.

[Egon1982]

Hey Sumac, **** you ballbuster! i don't need a doctor, i'm unleashing my Goku on you as it feels good to be anti-conformity like him. As i don't wanna confirm to anything.

[Egon1982]

Exactly. It's a ridiculous topic.

I suppose if you really wanted to intellectualize it's use in pop culture, then we could observe that storytellers anthropomorphize animals in fantasy as a function of the story, and that the human/animal relationships in those stories are generally meant to illustrate that love transcends boundaries rather than illustrating a human desire for bestiality.

But that's it.

That literally says all that would really need to be said in this otherwise weird ****ing thread. Anything else, or protracted conversation I think just demonstrates weird needs by weird people.

But do you see anthros and aliens as people who are different even in Hatton's artworks?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This is your thread, Egon. Have at it. Knock yourself out.

[Sumac]

Well, he surely knocked himself out (of here). :tlol:

[IndigoErth]

Dammit, don't start weird entertaining threads if you're just gonna go and get banned. :tlol:

[neatoman]

No wonder he got banned. Anyway, he and I had some back and forth in PM's. I tried to make it clear to him that I didn't really care because it's too far removed from reality to be anything other than metaphor, and was merely trying to explain why someone else might not like inter-species romance fiction. But no, he kept coming at me with arguments about real-life bigots and fantasy creatures being on the same level as humans and therefore it's OK, even though I had already explained that I get that's the metaphor.

It's like he thought me being indifferent and understanding the metaphor wasn't enough, it's like he wanted to convince me that it would be fine in the real word.

Oh and by the way, this artist "Hatton Slayden" he keeps refering to? I googled him when he asked if I had seen his artwork. Turns out the guy draws straight up porn, he literally told me to look up a porn artist without giving me a heads up on what I would find. I'm gonna guess he did that to someone else and got reported for it.

[IndigoErth]

Turns out the guy draws straight up porn, he literally told me to look up a porn artist without giving me a heads up on what I would find.
Nice. :ohwell: Maybe he was just trying hard to get a rise out of people (or trying too hard to feel validated), I dunno, but not warning someone... come on, most around here are old enough to have kids at home and possibly nearby, so no one needs that surprise. :tconfuse:

[Leo656]

...Aaaaaaaand there's the rest of what I missed. :lol:

He occasionally PM'ed me as well, but simply to ask about cartoons and why they're not more accepted by the mainstream and such.

Always seemed odd but harmless. Ah well.

Could be a Temp Ban. Lord knows people have done worse and still come back.

[TommyT]

...Aaaaaaaand there's the rest of what I missed. :lol:

He occasionally PM'ed me as well, but simply to ask about cartoons and why they're not more accepted by the mainstream and such.

Always seemed odd but harmless. Ah well.

Could be a Temp Ban. Lord knows people have done worse and still come back.

https://i.imgur.com/uMN8mZr.jpg

[Leo656]

:teek: Great googly-moogly :lol:

[IMJ]

:teek: Great googly-moogly :lol:

Do a Google search for Artgerm Catwoman or Artgerm Supergirl, lmao! Nothing shady, just hits like the image above.

[Sumac]

Artgem has a case of "sameface syndrome" and his linework is somewhat odd, but most of the time his works are rather nice. :tcool:

[Wildcat]

Bunny version > Human version :D

Still great work though. I’ve seen it before.

[Coola Yagami]

Oh, I got some of those PMs too. Like I didn't know what to say. Even I don't take animated characters that seriously and that's saying something. I didn't realize he was banned.

Edit- Ugh.. After looking up the artist, yeah, he's a porn artist and most of it is humans doing it with anthros, but like... the ones that are more animal than human. It would make sense someone would not like this and file complaints against him.

That's a fetish I can never understand. I mean I kinda see the anthro stuff comes in tons of levels, ranging from someone like Cheetarah which is pretty much a normal human woman with some extra fur (and I think claws?) and something like... what this guy is drawing.

I understand it's fictional and all that, but I feel the more and more you go into the animal half, the more it goes into bestiality territory. I don't know, I guess for me the bestiality meter goes on how human is their face.

Like if you were to make out with Cheetarah it would still pretty much feel like you were making out with a woman, but like if you were to kiss say... Alopex... I don't care how feminine she might be drawn and that the rest of her body has more humanlike proportions, she's still pretty much a talking fox standing upright. It would be like legit kissing a real fox, and that's gonna be a no for me boss.

[IndigoErth]

How would that even work with characters with long narrow canine muzzle and sizeable sharp canine teeth anyhow. :tconfuse: Would two anthro canines make out by just licking each others faces?

[Leo656]

I assume it's one of the things that a person isn't supposed to get hung up on thinking too much about because it would break the whole fantasy of it. :lol:

Although Raph and Ninjara kissed in the Archie book and they managed to make it look not too weird, somehow.

[IMJ]

How would that even work with characters with long narrow canine muzzle and sizeable sharp canine teeth anyhow. :tconfuse: Would two anthro canines make out by just licking each others faces?

See? This is what happens when you pay attention to a thread that you know better than to pay attention do. You get drawn in and start asking questions about dog-people making out.... and then to make matters worse you start actually figuring out the answers!

The o.p. is dead. Long live the o.p. Let the thread die as well! Long live the thread!

[IndigoErth]

But weird threads are fun to pay attention to... :trazz:

[IMJ]

But weird threads are fun to pay attention to... :trazz:

:lol::lol::lol:

https://i.imgur.com/NgJlhga.gif

[Papenbrook]

Do a Google search for Artgerm Catwoman or Artgerm Supergirl, lmao! Nothing shady, just hits like the image above.


The artist appears to be Sakimi-Chan.

I ... wouldn't look up her art.

[IndigoErth]

*kissy fish noises*

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5d/21/68/5d21687482691dac950a9c43007806f6.gif

[IMJ]

The artist appears to be Sakimi-Chan.

I ... wouldn't look up her art.

Cool... The bugs bunny chick picture reminded me of Artgerms style. His name is Stanley "Artgerm" Lau. He does these amazing pin-up style covers normally for DC.

[Leo656]

I hope this thread lasts forever, at least so people can keep posting interesting artwork such as the above. :lol:

[drgon78]

"Interesting artwork" is really a good term for it.:lol:

[TommyT]

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[Sumac]

*kissy fish noises*

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5d/21/68/5d21687482691dac950a9c43007806f6.gif
Picture you can hear.

Which is odd.

[Egon1982]

Oh, I got some of those PMs too. Like I didn't know what to say. Even I don't take animated characters that seriously and that's saying something. I didn't realize he was banned.

Edit- Ugh.. After looking up the artist, yeah, he's a porn artist and most of it is humans doing it with anthros, but like... the ones that are more animal than human. It would make sense someone would not like this and file complaints against him.

That's a fetish I can never understand. I mean I kinda see the anthro stuff comes in tons of levels, ranging from someone like Cheetarah which is pretty much a normal human woman with some extra fur (and I think claws?) and something like... what this guy is drawing.

I understand it's fictional and all that, but I feel the more and more you go into the animal half, the more it goes into bestiality territory. I don't know, I guess for me the bestiality meter goes on how human is their face.

Like if you were to make out with Cheetarah it would still pretty much feel like you were making out with a woman, but like if you were to kiss say... Alopex... I don't care how feminine she might be drawn and that the rest of her body has more humanlike proportions, she's still pretty much a talking fox standing upright. It would be like legit kissing a real fox, and that's gonna be a no for me boss.

I find Hatton's anthro women to be sexy and they are persons not animals. It's not beastiality because they are people who are different. I don't like humanalien creatures but pure anthro characters and pure alien looking characters even Krystal to Hatton's women and the Vipers from Xcom. As i like realistic anthros like what he draws. If they existed, i'd surely would date one of those women from Hatton's art of truly alien looking women and anthro women.

To say it's beastiality is like saying the same about being attracted to someone of a different ethnicity, religion, culture etc in old times.

Why would you say realistic anthros is nightmare fuel? why be scared of someone who is different? be fearless and be like Neo or Tyler Durden when they had no fear of anything. I would never have nightmares about realistic anthros as i don't judge people on how they look.

You are all about looks vs special skills and abilities, no different than an anti-semetic Nazi guide propaganda having Jews depicited as "rats" or "parasites" or anti-Tutsi propaganda depiciting Tutsis as "cockroaches" by Hutus. Or a book published in slavery times by Buckner Payne that was a guide to why people of different skin color were not human even saying "the negro is not a human being" Or when whites said about the cherokee folk in old days saying "the life of these aborignes is not human" by author Hugh buckenridge in 1779.

How about Minerva Mink? or Cheetah on Justice League? or Mona Lisa? or Rebecca cunningham? i'll take Cheetah or Callie Briggs or princess carolyn even those sexy whale women on Bojack Horseman or Hatton's Cheetah women thank you very much. Minerva and Cheetah, Mona Lisa and Callie and Princess Carolyn are women who are different.