What is Dimension X?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Ever since the Fred Wolf Studios cartoon debuted back in December 1987, Dimension X has been prominent in Ninja Turtles lore.

Despite that, a lot of media have never stated what it is. Even within the same version, it often gives confusion.

In the Fred Wolf cartoon, many first got the impression of another dimension or universe, only to within the very next moment hear it's a distant galaxy.

The Archie comics at least were strict when they went the galaxy route (something I like).

The Nickelodeon cartoon seemed to go only the dimension route. But maybe it's a region of space where the Kraang have manipulated everything (time, space, physics). Maybe that region of space is somewhere in the Fred Wolf universe? (so whenever the Nickelodeon turtles go to Dimension X, they go to a strange region of space in the Fred Wolf universe)

I have managed to find parts of the Nickelodeon Showdown with Shredder novelization online, describing Dimension X as some kind of region of space.

The Platinum Dunes films mentioned some dimension, but we don't know much more.

I know this has been discussed before, years ago, but after all these crossovers it's time for a new thread. It needs a fresh beginning from scratch again.

[Toxin45]

Ever since the Fred Wolf Studios cartoon debuted back in December 1987, Dimension X has been prominent in Ninja Turtles lore.

Despite that, a lot of media have never stated what it is. Even within the same version, it often gives confusion.

In the Fred Wolf cartoon, many first got the impression of another dimension or universe, only to within the very next moment hear it's a distant galaxy.

The Archie comics at least were strict when they went the galaxy route (something I like).

The Nickelodeon cartoon seemed to go only the dimension route. But maybe it's a region of space where the Kraang have manipulated everything (time, space, physics). Maybe that region of space is somewhere in the Fred Wolf universe? (so whenever the Nickelodeon turtles go to Dimension X, they go to a strange region of space in the Fred Wolf universe)

I have managed to find parts of the Showdown With Shredder novelization online, describing Dimension X as some kind of region of space.

The Platinum Dunes films mentioned some dimension, but we don't know much more.

I know this has been discussed before, years ago, but after all these crossovers it's time for a new thread. It needs a fresh re-start.

You forgot the IDW comics version.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

You forgot the IDW comics version.

I have only caught some early issues even there, it seems to be unclear.

[Leo656]

It's a thing that should never have been spoken of out loud if even the creators couldn't be assed to figure it out before committing to it. Is what it is.

I promise you that not one person who worked on that show ever imagined that they'd need to answer this question. I mean, they should have thought that far ahead, but it goes to show just how little regard they had for their audience.

Regardless, if they can't be bothered, neither can I.

[Toxin45]

I have only caught some early issues even there, it seems to be unclear.

Why make such a big deal out of it dude It is called dimeinsion X it is either a galaxy or another universe depending on version.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

It is called dimeinsion X it is either a galaxy or another universe depending on version.

The problem is it has been treated as both a dimension and a galaxy in the same versions.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I choose to believe its a different dimension rather than a galaxy, when choosing between the inconsistent portrayals in the Fred Wolf toon.

I don't know much about Dimension X from Archie and IDW, but I do believe that The Dimension X from Fred Wolf and Nick is meant to be the same place, due to some retcons by the Nick writers (such as Krang and Kraang Subprime being cousins, Krang having Nickelodeon Rock Soldiers) etc.

[Utrommaniac]

I don't really know why they bother with a different dimension, or even an alternate universe), when they could just use a different galaxy or solar system (I would go with solar system)


Pretty sure it's only because "Dimension X" sounds cooler and that's about it.

[ABrown]

I assume it's a parallel dimension.

[Kenwatanabesclone]

Ever since the Fred Wolf Studios cartoon debuted back in December 1987, Dimension X has been prominent in Ninja Turtles lore.

Despite that, a lot of media have never stated what it is. Even within the same version, it often gives confusion.

In the Fred Wolf cartoon, many first got the impression of another dimension or universe, only to within the very next moment hear it's a distant galaxy.

The Archie comics at least were strict when they went the galaxy route (something I like).

The Nickelodeon cartoon seemed to go only the dimension route. But maybe it's a region of space where the Kraang have manipulated everything (time, space, physics). Maybe that region of space is somewhere in the Fred Wolf universe? (so whenever the Nickelodeon turtles go to Dimension X, they go to a strange region of space in the Fred Wolf universe)

I have managed to find parts of the Showdown With Shredder novelization online, describing Dimension X as some kind of region of space.

The Platinum Dunes films mentioned some dimension, but we don't know much more.

I know this has been discussed before, years ago, but after all these crossovers it's time for a new thread. It needs a fresh beginning from scratch again.

Concept art for the PD version calls it “Planet X”

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Concept art for the PD version calls it “Planet X”

You mean that Blue Door script?

[IndigoErth]

I've always kind of assumed it was another dimension that is sort of an in-between world of sorts. Not quite here nor there, but not quite limbo either.

Nick 2012 kind of had the right idea with that one ep making it sort of a gateway.

[Kenwatanabesclone]

You mean that Blue Door script?

No, OOTS.

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[Zog The Magnificent]

All of the various TMNT's are different parallel universes, so Dimension X must be a perpendicular universe. :)

[Krutch]

I love how it's unexplained. Amazing how long it's been around the TMNT mythos and never really given a definitive answer. And I hope they never do.

I remember in Supernatural the angels teleported Dean to some luxurious room with no door. When he asks where he is the angel tells him "Consider this a green room." The room had some strange powers like regeneration, magic/disappearing doors, providing food based on the persons memories. It was interesting and fun to guess where exactly this place was.

A year later, the showrunners for some reason felt they had to explain where it was and left us... and Dean... pretty unimpressed.

"The green room is in an abandoned muffler factory in Van Nuys, California?"
"Where did you think it would be?"
"I don't know. Jupiter? A blade of grass? But... Van Nuys?"

Some things are better left unexplored.

[Andrew NDB]

I like to think of it as an alternate dimension/reality. i.e., somewhere in Dimension X is even a twisted version of Earth.

In my head canon in the TMNT multiverse there is only one Dimension X. And that dimension is the Archie universe. Also within that is a galaxy that is where the traditional Krang comes from, also considered Dimension X... but it's just a galaxy.

It doesn't entirely hold up to scrutiny, though, with more new shows and such doing their own Dimension Xes. Because what's a TMNT show without mutagen man, Krang, Dimension X, etc.. Ugh.

[Coola Yagami]

I like to think of it as an alternate dimension/reality. i.e., somewhere in Dimension X is even a twisted version of Earth.

In my head canon in the TMNT multiverse there is only one Dimension X. And that dimension is the Archie universe. Also within that is a galaxy that is where the traditional Krang comes from, also considered Dimension X... but it's just a galaxy.

It doesn't entirely hold up to scrutiny, though, with more new shows and such doing their own Dimension Xes. Because what's a TMNT show without mutagen man, Krang, Dimension X, etc.. Ugh.

You forgot pizza, cowabunga, Bebop and Rocksteady.

[Andrew NDB]

You forgot pizza, cowabunga, Bebop and Rocksteady.

Oh yes, those, too. :tgrumble:

[Voltron]

It never bothered me, really. I gave it as much thought as I did to where Godzilla monsters come from.

Godzilla- hydrogen bomb.

Everything else-???

I got to watch mutant ninjas fight a talking brain in the stomach of a robot. If you came expecting perfect sense to be made, you lost before you walked in the door.

[Andrew NDB]

I got to watch mutant ninjas fight a talking brain in the stomach of a robot. If you came expecting perfect sense to be made, you lost before you walked in the door.

So says Crisler's Law (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Crisler%27s%20Law).

Though I don't disagree with you, if only in respect to as much thought as the original people who created Dimension X put thought into it.

Personally I've always felt it was a missed opportunity, even in the FW stuff. It could have been like a... let's use a Zelda example and get geeky. It could have been like a Light World vs. Dark World thing.

[Prowler]

It's a thing that should never have been spoken of out loud if even the creators couldn't be assed to figure it out before committing to it. Is what it is.

I promise you that not one person who worked on that show ever imagined that they'd need to answer this question. I mean, they should have thought that far ahead, but it goes to show just how little regard they had for their audience.

Regardless, if they can't be bothered, neither can I.

Haha yeah

But in all seriousness now, it's basically a different galaxy. Why it was called DIMENSION X I wouldn't know. I guess it sounded kinda cool and mysterious in David Wise's mind or whoever came up with that name. And it kinda does. It's simple yet memorable.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Haha yeah

But in all seriousness now, it's basically a different galaxy. Why it was called DIMENSION X I wouldn't know. I guess it sounded kinda cool and mysterious in David Wise's mind or whoever came up with that name. And it kinda does. It's simple yet memorable.

It was also once the name an NBC radio programme between April 1950 and September 1951

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension_X_(radio_program)

[Candy Kappa]

It's a cool name, and Dimension X is what the writers needs it to be.

[Voltron]

So says Crisler's Law (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Crisler%27s%20Law).

Though I don't disagree with you, if only in respect to as much thought as the original people who created Dimension X put thought into it.

Personally I've always felt it was a missed opportunity, even in the FW stuff. It could have been like a... let's use a Zelda example and get geeky. It could have been like a Light World vs. Dark World thing.

Haha. I didn't know that was even a thing!

I didn't want to dismiss the argument. Dimension X is a solid thing to discuss on a message board dedicated to the TMNT.

The point I'm trying to make is: do the finer points of that particular aspect of the story matter if that aspect of the story wasn't where the action was happening? It's kind of like asking how Heisenberg compensators worked in Star Trek. It'd be fun to know, but it's not necessary for the enjoyment of the show. Compare that with knowing WHY the turtles are ninjas. That's an important bit of information that is necessary for a lot of the plot in the show.

Aside from that, I always thought it was a parallel dimension to ours. That's why they needed special portals or gateways to get to-and-from. This is the first I've ever heard of it being something other than that.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

That's why they needed special portals or gateways to get to-and-from..

Portals can also be used within the same universe, to avoid long spaceflights.

[pferreira]

Has anyone in all these theories ever stopped to think maybe Dimension X is actually the name of a region of the galaxy? Dimension X always felt like another galaxy with different dimensional laws. Wasn't Mr Ogg from Dimension C? That apparently had different dimensional laws but could be considered another galaxy. It comes across from the cartoon series that different areas of space were considered different dimensions with Mr Ogg being a good example of this.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Has anyone in all these theories ever stopped to think maybe Dimension X is actually the name of a region of the galaxy? Dimension X always felt like another galaxy with different dimensional laws. Wasn't Mr Ogg from Dimension C? That apparently had different dimensional laws but could be considered another galaxy. It comes across from the cartoon series that different areas of space were considered different dimensions with Mr Ogg being a good example of this.

I can't recall any different physics in Fred Wolf Dimension X. Ogg is from Dimension Z, and the only thing we saw was him coming through a portal.

[Voltron]

Portals can also be used within the same universe, to avoid long spaceflights.

Yeah, but I doubt they'd let something like realistic spaceflight timetables get in the way of pacing. I mean, the Silverhawks never had a problem getting from one place to the other. I know it's a different universe (ironically), but that's how my brain rationalized it. Portal for different dimensions, ships for same dimension.

[Andrew NDB]

Has anyone in all these theories ever stopped to think maybe Dimension X is actually the name of a region of the galaxy? Dimension X always felt like another galaxy with different dimensional laws. Wasn't Mr Ogg from Dimension C? That apparently had different dimensional laws but could be considered another galaxy. It comes across from the cartoon series that different areas of space were considered different dimensions with Mr Ogg being a good example of this.

Dimension is a very weird thing to call another galaxy. It would be like calling a piece of paper a fork.

That said, it literally is a galaxy in the Archie stuff.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The word dimension itself refers to size. But what we call places are often a product of culture. For example, Iceland isn't covered with a lot of ice all-year round, and much of Greenland isn't very green throughout most of the year. Norwegian seafares and settlers arrived to Iceland in the wintertime and Greenland in the summertime.

Or how about the word asteroid? It means star-like, and that's not a good name to describe them. Same with the constellations and asterisms, their names have been different within different cultures.

[pferreira]

Dimension is a very weird thing to call another galaxy. It would be like calling a piece of paper a fork.

That said, it literally is a galaxy in the Archie stuff.Wel we have the Mr Ogg episode as reference so that's something. Ogg came from a dimension where he was able to change and switch objects with the power of thought. Yeah I could be wrong. Dimension X could very well be another dimension rather than the name of a galaxy although the laws of physics don't seem that different to an alien world seen in episodes such as Planet of the Turtleoids which in that episode actually does take place across the universe. I certainly don't remember Kerma ever mentioning Krang.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Ogg came from a dimension where he was able to change and switch objects with the power of thought.

Weren't his powers based on optical illusions (wherever he went)?

[sdp]

I also liked the idea of only 1 dimension X and that it was the one from the archie galaxy universe, I'm sure I debated this over ten years ago here on the drome with someone. Sadly that theory is not great anymore even if 2012 sort of helped that fanon in a sense.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I choose to believe its a different dimension rather than a galaxy, when choosing between the inconsistent portrayals in the Fred Wolf toon.

I don't know much about Dimension X from Archie and IDW, but I do believe that The Dimension X from Fred Wolf and Nick is meant to be the same place, due to some retcons by the Nick writers (such as Krang and Kraang Subprime being cousins, Krang having Nickelodeon Rock Soldiers) etc.

I don't really know why they bother with a different dimension, or even an alternate universe), when they could just use a different galaxy or solar system (I would go with solar system)


Pretty sure it's only because "Dimension X" sounds cooler and that's about it.

All of the various TMNT's are different parallel universes, so Dimension X must be a perpendicular universe. :)

I like to think of it as an alternate dimension/reality. i.e., somewhere in Dimension X is even a twisted version of Earth.

In my head canon in the TMNT multiverse there is only one Dimension X. And that dimension is the Archie universe. Also within that is a galaxy that is where the traditional Krang comes from, also considered Dimension X... but it's just a galaxy.

It doesn't entirely hold up to scrutiny, though, with more new shows and such doing their own Dimension Xes. Because what's a TMNT show without mutagen man, Krang, Dimension X, etc.. Ugh.

I can't recall any different physics in Fred Wolf Dimension X. Ogg is from Dimension Z, and the only thing we saw was him coming through a portal.


Don't forget that the 4Kids show pretty distinctly had multiple dimensions, and seemed to imply that Earth existed in several of them (TMNT and Usagi, specifically, and then there was Turtles Forever....) and that Dimension X was its own dimension as well. The Utroms even specifically needed the trans-mat machine to get back, rather than, I dunno, just repairing their ship?

Ogg was indeed from a seperate dimension, in fact Krang even made mention of it, and said it was weird- which is saying something coming from him! Also, Dimension X DID seem to have some different rules of physics, like "space" having breathable air (as shown in the episodes where the Tchnodrome is in Dimension X, especially on the volcanic asteroid, since we're discussing it), or various star systems, races, and such all existing there in what appears to be their own universe.

Archie seems to be the biggest outlier as far as the galaxy/dimension debate goes. Most others seem to lean toward seperate dimension.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

breathable air

The Volcanic Asteroid has an atmosphere breathable for Earthlings. Maybe Neutrinos can stand outer space.

[pferreira]

Ogg was indeed from a seperate dimension, in fact Krang even made mention of it, and said it was weird- which is saying something coming from him! Also, Dimension X DID seem to have some different rules of physics, like "space" having breathable air (as shown in the episodes where the Tchnodrome is in Dimension X, especially on the volcanic asteroid, since we're discussing it), or various star systems, races, and such all existing there in what appears to be their own universe. Now we're onto something. I also remember Shredder mentioning Dimension C or Z at the end of The Big Blowout before Krang throttles him.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Now we're onto something. I also remember Shredder mentioning Dimension C or Z at the end of The Big Blowout before Krang throttles him.

Krang says they're stuck in Dimension X. Shredder says it could have been worse as they could have ended up in Dimension Z.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Krang says they're stuck in Dimension X. Shredder says it could have been worse as they could have ended up in Dimension Z.

Just imagine what else Dimension Z would've had, besides Mr. Ogg.

[Leo656]

I don't have the vocabulary to express my displeasure with Ogg.

[neatoman]

What happened to Dimension Y?

[Prowler]

I don't have the vocabulary to express my displeasure with Ogg.

Back when my VHS player and my VHS tapes still worked and I used to rewatch the 1987 cartoon series every summer break... Mr. Ogg's episode was one of the very few FW series episodes that I always skipped on rewatches. I think I've only seen Mr. Ogg's episode one time in my life and that was enough.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

It'd be fun to know, but it's not necessary for the enjoyment of the show.

With Dimension X being prominent in most episodes (directly and indirectly), you shouldn't get away with it that easy. Just compare it to the confusion of Krang talking of his former body in season 1, and then watch Four Musketurtles. (I don't mind the Krangazoid clones, they grew bodies on their own)

[pferreira]

What happened to Dimension Y?Why are you trying to ask questions about this nonsense, marketing nostalgia feast of a cartoon? Sorry I couldn't resist... :lol:

Krang says they're stuck in Dimension X. Shredder says it could have been worse as they could have ended up in Dimension Z.That's it! :)

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I found some more fan theories here:

https://www.deviantart.com/coreyinthehouse/journal/TMNT-Multiverse-Headcanon-theory-Fic-ideas-614118674

[Vintage]

I don't know what it is, but I do know what it wasn't. And that it wasn't Dimension XXX because that was a whole other movie lol

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I have come across some parts of the novelization of the Nickelodeon episode Showdown with Shredder. It decribes Dimension X as a "cosmic realm in the farthest reaches of the galaxy", with comets. It also says Dimension X has no stars, and no planets capable of supporting lifeforms. The Technodrome is described as a(n extradimensional) space station.

[pferreira]

It also says Dimension X has no stars, and no planets capable of supporting lifeforms.Erm... https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/Planet_of_the_Turtles

Maybe I'm cheating here but you could include this as well: https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Dimension_X_Story

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Erm... https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/Planet_of_the_Turtles

Maybe I'm cheating here but you could include this as well: https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Dimension_X_Story

First of all, the Planet of the Turtles isn't confirmed to be in Dimension X. But yes, Fred Wolf Dimension X had planets capable supporting lifeforms, as well as stars.

Also, I am talking about novelization of the Nickelodeon episodes. Dated 2013, before the Fred Wolf–Nickelodeon crossovers.

[pferreira]

First of all, the Planet of the Turtles isn't confirmed to be in Dimension X. But yes, Fred Wolf Dimension X had planets capable supporting lifeforms.

Also, I am talking about novelization of the Nickelodeon episodes. Dated 2013, before the Fred Wolf–Nickelodeon crossovers.Yeah my point was I wouldn't take that as a reliable source because as you point out there are discrepancies. :)

[Andrew NDB]

In "Odyssey" I also assigned various Turtle universes their own "dimension."

i.e., Mirage is "Dimension-Prime," Fred Wolf is "Dimension A," and so on.