BATMAN / TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES Crossover Being Adapted as Animated Film

[rufus]

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/exclusive-batman-and-the-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-meet-in-first-animated-movie


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In 2015, the Dark Knight met the Heroes in a Half Shell on the comics page for the first time. Now, that same team-up is headed to animation with an all-star voice cast, and we've got an exclusive first look.

This spring, Warner Bros. Animation is teaming up with DC Entertainment and Nickelodeon for Batman vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, an all-new animated movie that unites everyone's favorite turtles with the Caped Crusader for the first time outside of the comics page. Based on the Batman/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comics miniseries by James Tynion IV and Freddie Williams II, the film will see the turtles meeting Batman via a transdimensional encounter, and feature our heroes teaming up to face Batman's deadly rogues gallery.

Not sure where to put this

[Candy Kappa]

alright! about time we knew more about this project, almost forgot about this.

Art is alright, will probably grow more on me.

[Kenwatanabesclone]

Hopefully this version of the turtles gets their own standalone film as well.

[neatoman]

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/exclusive-batman-and-the-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-meet-in-first-animated-movie


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In 2015, the Dark Knight met the Heroes in a Half Shell on the comics page for the first time. Now, that same team-up is headed to animation with an all-star voice cast, and we've got an exclusive first look.

This spring, Warner Bros. Animation is teaming up with DC Entertainment and Nickelodeon for Batman vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, an all-new animated movie that unites everyone's favorite turtles with the Caped Crusader for the first time outside of the comics page. Based on the Batman/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comics miniseries by James Tynion IV and Freddie Williams II, the film will see the turtles meeting Batman via a transdimensional encounter, and feature our heroes teaming up to face Batman's deadly rogues gallery.

Not sure where to put this

Ok how does it loo...
https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/700x1240/public/batman_vs._tmnt_group.jpeg?timestamp=1550039208

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[Vicky82]

Not sure if I put this in the right thread. If it isn't hopefully a mod can move it.

James Tynion IV and Freddie Williams II's landmark 2015 crossover Batman/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is being adapted as an animated film as part of a new partnership with DC and Nickelodeon. First reported by SYFY Wire, this cartoon feature is scheduled to be released on home video later this spring. The animation studio developing this film has not been disclosed.

IDW Publishing, who published the original 2015 Batman/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comic book limited series, is not listed as being involved.

The cast includes frequent DC player Troy Baker, who will be voicing both Batman and the Joker in the film; while he has voiced both roles for seperate projects, this would be his first time doing both in the same project.

Baker will be joined by Darren Criss (Raphael), Kyle Mooney (Michelangelo), Baron Vaughn (Donatello), Eric Bauza (Leonardo), Rachel Bloom (Batgirl), Tom Kenny (The Penguin), John DiMaggio (Mr. Freeze), Tara Strong (Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy), Carlos Alazraqui (Bane), and Cas Anvar (Ra's al Ghul).

This wouldn't be the first cross-company crossover to be developed as a film - Dark Horse's 1989 Aliens vs. Predator limited series inspired several live action crossover films in the early 2000s.

https://www.newsarama.com/43887-batman-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-crossover-being-adapted-as-animated-film.html

[neatoman]

There's already another thread and the movie doesn't seem to be tied to the Nick cartoon in any way. So yeah, this will probably get deleted or merged with the other one.

Anyway, that screenshot looks awful. I'll have to see it in action before fully judging it but I really don't dig the art style.

[Vicky82]

Whoops I didn't expected it to be the general thread, oh well maybe a Mod can delete it.

[newfan]

Leo looks the best out of the 4.

So, 3 movies are coming, I hopefully I'll at least like on of them :)

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

All right! We're finally getting an IDW story in animated form- even if it is the Batman team-up! Really looking forward to this, thoguh I do think the art style is a bit... weird.

[Vicky82]

Feel a bit nervous talking about this after my big mistake last year, when I leaked it here. The leaked info was from another chat room and I didn't realise it was private.

Not keen on the art style but maybe I will get used to it.

I like some of the voice cast (I don't recognise a few names), Leo being voiced by Eric Bauza is awesome.

[TurtleWA]

Wasn’t the general consensus that we loved the art from the TMNT/Bat comic crossovers but the story was not well received? So if I’m reading correctly they kept the weakest part of the crossovers? How about vice versa that.

I do like that the turtles don’t have pupils. The colors seems off. I am glad we are getting something at least. Voice cast seems wonderfully solid.


edit: when I say colors I’m not talking about the turtles skin, just the background and general look, could be my phone screen though

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This is the best we can get on a screen these days, huh? Okay then...

[CyberCubed]

I wonder why they did’’t go with the art style of the comic

[Andrew NDB]

Weird they'd go with the old blue Batman look, particularly standing next to hipster/New 52 Batgirl. That hasn't been a thing since the 90s in the comics.

[CyberCubed]

Is the Robin Dick Grayson? Because he looks a little short next to Barbara there.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Is the Robin Dick Grayson? Because he looks a little short next to Barbara there.

I'd guess Tim Drake.

[Andrew NDB]

No, that's totally Damian. Unless they're gifting his whole exact costume and look to Tim or Dick.

[Candy Kappa]

Looks more like its Damian

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

No, that's totally Damian. Unless they're gifting his whole exact costume and look to Tim or Dick.

You're right, upon a second glance.

Burnside Batgirl, weird 90's action figure Batman, New 52 Robin.

And weird blockheaded Turtles.

Sorry, but the art sucks. Really, really sucks.

[Autbot_Benz]

Yay they aren't those terrible goofball Rise turtles. Batman and the TMNT

I will Take it

[AquaParade]

This is absolultely the sort of product I want to support. I'll pre-order the 4k as soon as I can.

I haven't loved the recent DC animated films, but this direction is certainly more up my alley than anything else Nick has been doing with TMNT lately.
Another screenshot:

http://img4.imagetitan.com/img4/small/19/19_tmntuntitled.png (http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=19_tmntuntitled.png)

[Vicky82]

I was looking at the voice cast on IMDB and I noticed that Darren Criss who voices Raph in the crossover also voiced Raph in that TMNT short, The Turtles take time and space. I also forgot Eric Bauza voiced Leo in that short too.

I found a new pic

https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/syfy_image_gallery_full_breakpoints_theme_syfy_sma rtphone_1x/public/batman_vs._tmnt_raphael.jpeg?timestamp=1550039208

[neatoman]

Damn, Vicky! People just keep beating you to the punch, huh? :lol:

[Vicky82]

Damn, Vicky! People just keep beating you to the punch, huh? :lol:

Lol yeah, it's even happening on Tumblr too. I must be losing my mojo :lol:

[AquaParade]

Lol yeah, it's even happening on Tumblr too. I must be losing my mojo :lol:

Your pic is a much better size than the one I posted.

It's great to see some faithful TMNT designs in 2d. The Raphael image looks a bit better than the group shot, imo. It could really look beautiful in motion, if they have enough budget/time. We can't count on that though. The Killing Joke animated film, from a few years ago, looked terrible in motion. Either they learned their lesson there or they didn't. It's the most recent one I've seen.

That said, we have to remember that this is the first of a Nickelodeon/DC crossover deal. It's possible Nickelodeon will have higher standards when it comes to the animation, or just that the production will be done somewhat differently than before. Guess we'll see.

[oldmanwinters]

Weird they'd go with the old blue Batman look, particularly standing next to hipster/New 52 Batgirl. That hasn't been a thing since the 90s in the comics.

I was thinking same, but I like that blue-hued, yellow-symbol batsuit, so I can't complain.

We have come a long way since the days of the questionably-legal TMNT-Batman crossover books of 1990s Russia!
http://i.imgur.com/Xv3bvCX.jpg (https://imgur.com/Xv3bvCX)
http://i.imgur.com/foNtmnZ.jpg (https://imgur.com/foNtmnZ)
http://i.imgur.com/vc24oe0.jpg (https://imgur.com/vc24oe0)
http://i.imgur.com/NuDV0C4.jpg (https://imgur.com/NuDV0C4)

[Leofan26]

The only one that looks ok is Leo, he looks like 2003 Leo. Others like Raph and Donnie look real off with that animation LOL.

I think Shredder would have fit the villain role better but whatever. Guess Rise would have been too baby ish to mix with Batman not that I'm complaining.

[Autbot_Benz]

I was looking at the voice cast on IMDB and I noticed that Darren Criss who voices Raph in the crossover also voiced Raph in that TMNT short, The Turtles take time and space. I also forgot Eric Bauza voiced Leo in that short too.

I found a new pic

https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/syfy_image_gallery_full_breakpoints_theme_syfy_sma rtphone_1x/public/batman_vs._tmnt_raphael.jpeg?timestamp=1550039208

Man Raphael looks badass I love the scar over his eye

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like there's something all-new for seedlings to sprout over. This, the Netflix movie, the PD reboot... things are going get very GREEN around here soon, folks! More so than lately.

[MikeandRaph87]

I need to know who Robin is, if its Mr. Grayson I am ecstatic. I'm silly like that, I know.

[TurtleTitan97]

I need to know who Robin is, if its Mr. Grayson I am ecstatic. I'm silly like that, I know.

It's Damian Wayne.

[Vicky82]

As this was announced just before the New York Toy fair, that's on at the weekend, I wonder if there will be toys.

[oldmanwinters]

Looks like there's something all-new for seedlings to sprout over. This, the Netflix movie, the PD reboot... things are going get very GREEN around here soon, folks! More so than lately.

Definitely a Green New Deal we're getting lately!

[TurtleWA]

I was looking at the voice cast on IMDB and I noticed that Darren Criss who voices Raph in the crossover also voiced Raph in that TMNT short, The Turtles take time and space. I also forgot Eric Bauza voiced Leo in that short too.

I found a new pic

https://www.syfy.com/sites/syfy/files/styles/syfy_image_gallery_full_breakpoints_theme_syfy_sma rtphone_1x/public/batman_vs._tmnt_raphael.jpeg?timestamp=1550039208

Much better pic imho :tsmile:


I think this has been suggested before to get a 2012 special. I think 2012 looks good with early 90’s bat. Maybe if this goes well we get something like that as well.

[Sabacooza]

Seeing these screenshots is a breath of fresh air after seeing Rise.

[Autbot_Benz]

Seeing these screenshots is a breath of fresh air after seeing Rise.

agreed Can't wait for the Trailer

[ranger_scout]

Batman, Robin, Batgirl and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles all together in one movie! :D Sounds awesome! This is going to be a much better TMNT crossover than the one that happened on Power Rangers in Space. Great voice cast as well. Darren Criss did a great job of voicing Raphael in that short that was released a couple of years ago. Eric Bauza has contributed so much to the franchise, so it's cool that have him in this movie too.

[oldmanwinters]

This is going to be a much better TMNT crossover than the one that happened on Power Rangers in Space.

To be fair, Warner Animation has made some real stinkers of movies based upon DC properties in recent years. Best never to assume anything prematurely.

[Vicky82]

Found another new pic on Twitter

https://66.media.tumblr.com/2274be203cbf99e54e73b920c770ef77/tumblr_inline_pmvs5m5BFW1sz1u74_540.jpg

[Candy Kappa]

It's interesting to see Leo having his swords traditionally instead of pop-culture Ninja way. I hope we see more of that in future iterations, cause it makes more sense.

[Raptor86]

I see a little bit of Andy Kuhn art style here

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/39001/2727549-tmnt3.png

[Andrew NDB]

I see a little bit of Andy Kuhn art style here

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/39001/2727549-tmnt3.png

That's what I was going to say. Dead-on.

[IndigoErth]

Niiice... Not my preference on the art style, but not intolerable and will be good to see them hopefully acting like the Turtles we know and love in contrast to this current show.

[CyberCubed]

It's weird from the summary you'd think this would be a straight up adaption of the first Batman/TMNT crossover that IDW did, but this looks to be an all new story.

[Andrew NDB]

It's weird from the summary you'd think this would be a straight up adaption of the first Batman/TMNT crossover that IDW did, but this looks to be an all new story.

It is, isn't it? Was Batgirl even in the Batman/TMNT books?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It is, isn't it? Was Batgirl even in the Batman/TMNT books?

She was in that terrible Bane story, I think; Batman/TMNT II. It had Nightwing and Batgirl briefly, IIRC.

[neatoman]

So are they combining the two comics? I'll have to admit, they don't exactly have very complex plots, so it would make sense.

[Sumac]

Cool news.
The Turtles look...odd. Like some kind of hybrid between 2k3 and some of the 2k12 styles.
Batman looks oddly old school.

P.S.
Just how many ****ing Robin's Batman have adopted?

[Autbot_Benz]

Cool news.
The Turtles look...odd. Like some kind of hybrid between 2k3 and some of the 2k12 styles.
Batman looks oddly old school.

P.S.
Just how many ****ing Robin's Batman have adopted?

Dick was the original than became Nightwing
Jason Todd was the second he than became Red Hood
Tim Drake was the Third
Damian is the fourth and is actually Bruce and Talia's Son

So 4 Robins

[Andrew NDB]

Dick was the original than became Nightwing
Jason Todd was the second he than became Red Hood
Tim Drake was the Third
Damian is the fourth and is actually Bruce and Talia's Son

So 4 Robins

Stephanie Brown became Robin for a while. 5 Robins.


The Turtles look...odd. Like some kind of hybrid between 2k3 and some of the 2k12 styles.
Batman looks oddly old school.

I don't mind the TMNT designs, really. It's the hyper bright, saccharine coloring that bugs me and, perhaps, suggests the tone that they will be going for.

[Autbot_Benz]

Stephanie Brown became Robin for a while. 5 Robins.

Kathy Kelly in The Dark Knight Returns so technically 6 robins

[Andrew NDB]

Kathy Kelly in The Dark Knight Returns so technically 6 robins

The Dark Knightverse is a separate universe. I'm sure there have been many different Robins in the various Elseworlds crap over the decades.

[Autbot_Benz]

The Dark Knightverse is a separate universe. I'm sure there have been many different Robins in the various Elseworlds crap over the decades.

ok 5 robins it is

[Andrew NDB]

ok 5 robins it is

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/bf/bf682b61196c73d7a68f573531660cb6c593e3690701c99024 5efabb4b57afd6.jpg

[funatic]

I hope it was a reporting error and they're actually adapting the Batman / TMNT Adventures arc by Manning and Sommariva. Batgirl featured prominently in those and they were soooo much better storywise in my opinion.

[CyberCubed]

In my mind there have only been 3 Robin's and the middle one stayed dead.

[Roseangelo]

I don't understand the official TMNT/Nickelodeon social media strategy that blithers over everything Rise and Playmates, while completely ignoring this project and the NECA figures. Meanwhile, they throw shade at you if you dare say anything negative about Rise or Playmates.

[Leo656]

I don't understand the official TMNT/Nickelodeon social media strategy that blithers over everything Rise and Playmates, while completely ignoring this project and the NECA figures. Meanwhile, they throw shade at you if you dare say anything negative about Rise or Playmates.

As a wise man once said, "Here's 'The Pulse'... and here's your hand, FAR from 'The Pulse', jammed straight up your ass."

Describes the people handling the property fairly well, I think.

[Roseangelo]

As a wise man once said, "Here's 'The Pulse'... and here's your hand, FAR from 'The Pulse', jammed straight up your ass."

Describes the people handling the property fairly well, I think.

Sadly agree. :tsad:

[Kenwatanabesclone]

I don't understand the official TMNT/Nickelodeon social media strategy that blithers over everything Rise and Playmates, while completely ignoring this project and the NECA figures. Meanwhile, they throw shade at you if you dare say anything negative about Rise or Playmates.

In my experience, they just say some generic response like “There sure are a lot of Tmnt versions for everyone to enjoy!”

[Roseangelo]

In my experience, they just say some generic response like “There sure are a lot of Tmnt versions for everyone to enjoy!”

The guy who runs the official TMNT Twitter responds to my criticisms by defending the holy Playmates and/or Rise using his personal account.

[Autbot_Benz]

The guy who runs the official TMNT Twitter responds to my criticisms by defending the holy Playmates and/or Rise using his personal account.

I enjoy giving Rise negative **** on the TMNT twitter than I get the rise defenders trying to tell me to give it a chance when its like nope

[IndigoErth]

The guy who runs the official TMNT Twitter responds to my criticisms by defending the holy Playmates and/or Rise using his personal account.
Wow, I can understand being paid to do a job that includes being PR over social media and having to maintain a certain expected standard and script, but coming at you with his personal account...? Now there's a guy who drank a lot of the Kool-Aid in the break room.

[Autbot_Benz]

The guy who runs the official TMNT Twitter responds to my criticisms by defending the holy Playmates and/or Rise using his personal account.

Speaking of that Twitter they posted a what's your favorite April from Mirage to 2018 Rise April. Totally leaves off Judith Hoag Paige Turco and thankfully Bay Fox :roll:

[Kenwatanabesclone]

Speaking of that Twitter they posted a what's your favorite April from Mirage to 2018 Rise April. Totally leaves off Judith Hoag Paige Turco and thankfully Bay Fox :roll:

They never post screen caps from the 90s films. Only the Neca figures. I think it’s because Warner\New Line or whoever still has the rights.

[Galactus]

Wasn’t the general consensus that we loved the art from the TMNT/Bat comic crossovers but the story was not well received? So if I’m reading correctly they kept the weakest part of the crossovers? How about vice versa that.

I don't know about that. The story of the first Batman crossover wasn't a master piece of comic storytelling but it was fine buoyed by the fact that it was well Batman and TMNT.

They largely kept the dumb elements to a minimum where it had the desired effect that it was a bit of fun to break up the seriousness as opposed what many turtle fans feared that it would constant turtles trying to force feed Batman pizza and stuff. It did go a little silly towards the end but I'll give it a pass. Besides this isn't going to be the exact same story.

Yeah the art style for this isn't as good which is shame since it was basically the 2K3 turtles in the New 52 universe which DC has a long history of animating accurately. If anything gives me pause it's actually Batman in the blue outfit, that might signal that the overall tone even in the Batman elements is going to be sillier.

Still even looking at those caps it looks miles ahead Rise of the TMNT and honestly simply having TMNT connected to Batman in this ways does help with franchises credibility. If it turns out well you could easily slip a Hollywood exec a copy of this to show what TMNT is capable of.

I don't understand the official TMNT/Nickelodeon social media strategy that blithers over everything Rise and Playmates, while completely ignoring this project and the NECA figures. Meanwhile, they throw shade at you if you dare say anything negative about Rise or Playmates.

A wounded animal will attack when it's cornered.

[Leo656]

The guy who runs the official TMNT Twitter responds to my criticisms by defending the holy Playmates and/or Rise using his personal account.

I don't post there - why bother? - but I do skim what people are saying.

I always see TONS of anti-Rise posts - plus the usual "Like everything or GTFO" defenders dogpiling them - which are all usually deleted if I check back again in an hour.

So it kind of surprises me that they "head guy" or whoever would stoop to that with you, but... eh, no it doesn't.

They are not a very thick-skinned bunch over there at "corporate". And they're no fan of Yours Truly, either. Which is just fine with me, feeling is mutual. :trazz:

[sdp]

love batman, love tmnt, don't want them crossing over but oh well it's happening and it'll be awesome to see
art style looks like crap but glad it's new character models for both franchises

[AlZarkovski]

New shot:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzTrYclVsAAaUfs.jpg

[Autbot_Benz]

New shot:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzTrYclVsAAaUfs.jpg

already posted on page 2 by vicky

[Andrew NDB]

I don't know about that. The story of the first Batman crossover wasn't a master piece of comic storytelling but it was fine buoyed by the fact that it was well Batman and TMNT.

They largely kept the dumb elements to a minimum

What are you talking about? Wasn't that the one where Batman's whole rogue's gallery became mutant animals?

[Autbot_Benz]

What are you talking about? Wasn't that the one where Batman's whole rogue's gallery became mutant animals?

yes it was that was the first one

[Galactus]

What are you talking about? Wasn't that the one where Batman's whole rogue's gallery became mutant animals?

Yeah I did say the whole thing got silly towards the end.

I'm sure like every other TMNT fan I rolled my eyes at that but I appreciate them going for a big blow out and I can't really begrudge them having a bit of fun with a concept like Batman meets TMNT when the vast majority of writers would have gone dumb throughout with everything from TMNT's canon treated as deliberately dumb to conflict with the ultra serious Batman characters and world.

As a whole the story was more than solid when it could have been a lot worse.

[Ninjinister]

Stephanie Brown became Robin for a while. 5 Robins.



I liked Steph. It's a shame DC doesn't.

[Igglet]

Stephanie Brown became Robin for a while. 5 Robins.


A bit late to the party but technically there's only been 3 Robins canonically at the moment.

[neatoman]

I noticed that the shots showing Leo depicts him him the scabbards on the hip. That has never been the default for any of his character models before, has it? I know there's a shot in season 1 of FW where he puts a sword into a scabbard on the hip but he's otherwise not shown wearing it on his hip (doesn't even have scabbards at all).

Anyway, I like this detail. He's typically shown to strap the scabbards to his back, which is common in fiction but doesn't actually make much sense in real life. The character design still isn't appealing but it is a nice detail.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Does this mean we may see the turtles teaming up with Batman's friends, like Superman, Hawkgirl and Wonder Woman, in upcoming films?

[AquaParade]

Does this mean we may see the turtles teaming up with Batman's friends, like Superman, Hawkgirl and Wonder Woman, in upcoming films?

Not intrinsically. If this happens to sell twice as much as any other recent DC animated movie, then we can start to ask that question.

[oldmanwinters]

The guy who runs the official TMNT Twitter responds to my criticisms by defending the holy Playmates and/or Rise using his personal account.

Ooh, do tell!

What are you talking about? Wasn't that the one where Batman's whole rogue's gallery became mutant animals?

Yeah I did say the whole thing got silly towards the end.

I'm sure like every other TMNT fan I rolled my eyes at that but I appreciate them going for a big blow out and I can't really begrudge them having a bit of fun with a concept like Batman meets TMNT when the vast majority of writers would have gone dumb throughout with everything from TMNT's canon treated as deliberately dumb to conflict with the ultra serious Batman characters and world.

As a whole the story was more than solid when it could have been a lot worse.

My only complaint about mutating all the rogues was that they shoved all of it into the last issue (and the cliffhanger page from the penultimate issue), and it was basically over as soon as it was introduced.

[Candy Kappa]

A bit late to the party but technically there's only been 3 Robins canonically at the moment.

is that the New 52 canon that says Tim never was Robin and always was Red Robin or some BS? cause **** that garbage

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

is that the New 52 canon that says Tim never was Robin and always was Red Robin or some BS? cause **** that garbage

Indeed. Although I think... *think*... the Rebirth Detective Comics series undid that nonsense.

[Candy Kappa]

That's good. Can't non-canonize the best Robin

[Igglet]

Indeed. Although I think... *think*... the Rebirth Detective Comics series undid that nonsense.

They didn't. Bruce said that he always looked at Tim as his Robin, but it didn't undo it. There's nothing wrong with Tim never being Robin though, because his reasoning for adopting the Red Robin persona was because he didn't want to disrespect Jason.

[Andrew NDB]

They didn't. Bruce said that he always looked at Tim as his Robin, but it didn't undo it. There's nothing wrong with Tim never being Robin though, because his reasoning for adopting the Red Robin persona was because he didn't want to disrespect Jason.

There's everything wrong with that. That's not what happened.

[Candy Kappa]

That sucks balls

[Leo656]

I agree with Statler and Waldorf over there. Terrible.

[AquaParade]

Comic book continuity finally broke me, between "New 52" and Miles Morales entering the 616 universe.

My mind just couldn't endure all the "mental gymnastics" it took to try and make sense of all that. Too many unanswered questions and contradictions.

I had to essentially change the way I look at comicbooks. Imagining them as some type of ancient-text that has been interpreted, and re-interpreted over hundreds of years. Nothing has to make sense, because they are just stories being passed down by different groups of people. There are nuggets of truth, surrounded by contradictions and contrasting interpretations.

I'm being dramatic, but it's essentially the only way I can enjoy these in-continuity stories.

Either that, or I just imagine each story to be completely stand-alone, with a beginning and future of which I am uninformed and blissfully ignorant.

I love comics.

[Igglet]

There's everything wrong with that. That's not what happened.

Not originally, but the backstory changed with the New 52.

EDIT: Though some people were right that the backstory was mostly reverted with Detective Comics, but I doubt that it was entirely reverted, because in the same run it's directly mentioned that Tim was never officially Robin. So the current backstory is a bit of a blend of both, with Tim reaching out to Dick to go back to being Robin after Jason's death and then becoming Bruce's sidekick himself, but never actually becoming Robin. If anything about that is wrong do correct me.

[oldmanwinters]

One of the best Batman or Robin stories every told:
http://i.imgur.com/QvgU2jI.jpg (https://imgur.com/QvgU2jI)
The foreword to this TPB is quite profound as well, as it makes the case why Batman needs a Robin, despite the popularity of his "lone avenger" myth that was especially popular after the 1989 movie.

Also, I liked the Robin III: Cry of the Huntress mini-series.

The portrayal of Tim Drake probably did more than any other character to make the persona of Robin "cool" again.

[TurtleTitan97]

One of the best Batman or Robin stories every told:
http://i.imgur.com/QvgU2jI.jpg (https://imgur.com/QvgU2jI)
The foreword to this TPB is quite profound as well, as it makes the case why Batman needs a Robin, despite the popularity of his "lone avenger" myth that was especially popular after the 1989 movie.




100% agreed.

[Wildcat]

Didn’t read the comic but couldn’t they exist in the same universe? Both keep identities a secret so never having met before is plausible.

Although I guess it’d be weird that they ignored each other’s threats and Shredder and the Foot never knew about Joker and other criminals.

Anyway I want to see a BatVan or Turtlemobile. A green Batmobile that launches shells like Mario Kart. :lol: That would be awesome.

Seriously, given how over the top some Batmobile features are that’s a totally reasonable idea.

[Andrew NDB]

Anyway I want to see a BatVan or Turtlemobile.

I can think of very few things I'd rather see less.

[newfan]

Just curious, as we have screen shots for this, any idea of how far they likely are with it? I know we have little info, I was just wondering what the expected time-line could be.

[Wildcat]

I can think of very few things I'd rather see less.Aww come on. It’s really not that ridiculous given what’s already been done in each franchise. It doesn’t have to be super over the top just a cool blend into one vehicle.

https://i.postimg.cc/vTYSfYCD/6542034-A-DF4-C-4-A9-C-9633-AD4513-DE0-C7-A.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/wM140fTd/C887184-C-8809-439-A-A022-E2-FCEDAEC919.pnghttps://i.postimg.cc/rppHDwXm/2-F319-DB0-CE83-4936-B2-B2-502-ABBCDE362.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/DZXBGWC2/60-ED2708-9-B1-D-4961-A315-B4588-ECAB03-B.jpg

That purple one is hilarious. The modern B&W one is kinda cool but for the record I was thinking something like this but shell/bat-themed.

https://i.postimg.cc/d16D46Nn/CA1-CC00-E-E6-A3-44-F4-9-CE4-4751-B5910-ED4.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/pTWLh8Vj/079-A6770-5-CE2-4674-96-E8-95450-F3-D00-B8.jpg

I might as well throw this in. Coincidentally has a VW bus too.

https://i.postimg.cc/xqVn9SB5/078-FFA1-D-B1-BF-47-B4-A296-C88-ECCE39080.png

[ZariusTwo]

They didn't. Bruce said that he always looked at Tim as his Robin, but it didn't undo it. There's nothing wrong with Tim never being Robin though, because his reasoning for adopting the Red Robin persona was because he didn't want to disrespect Jason.

In Bendis' Young Justice, Tim is Robin again.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Didn’t read the comic but couldn’t they exist in the same universe? Both keep identities a secret so never having met before is plausible.

Batman lives on the same Earth as characters like Superman, Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl. The Ninja Turtles usually live on an Earth that has its own everyday heroes and vigilantes (Casey Jones, Gadgetman, Nobody) as well as superheroes (Bugman, Silver Sentry).

Also in the TMNT, weird things are supposed to happen, but most people aren't aware of it. Mutants and extraterrestrials living on Earth (and natural-born talking animals, like Ninjara) muste hide from Humans. (I know they have been seen some times, but it's still the basic)

In DC and Marvel Comics, weird things can happen in broad daylight.

[frank_one]

Not sure if I'm the first saying this but looking at the few screenshots released they remind me of the art style Dario Brizuela used in his issues of Tales of TMNT, the way he draws the head of the turtles and their face.

[Igglet]

In Bendis' Young Justice, Tim is Robin again.

I actually thought about mentioning that but I burst into tears before I could finish my sentence at the thought of what Bendis is doing to my poor boy Jon. Anyway, I'm not sure if any other writer is gonna stick with that.

[ZariusTwo]

And now they've announced a third Batman/TMNT story for the comics, with Eastman on Variants.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/image001-2-600x909.jpg

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/02/15/kevin-eastman-batman-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/

[AquaParade]

Apparently Eastman will also be involved with the interior art, though they aren't stating how exactly. Maybe layouts? Or they meet an alternate dimension version of the turtles?

They sort of seemed like they were hinting at something unique.

I've never read this series, because for some reason, the story just didn't appeal to me. Maybe I'll give it a chance if a lot of you here appreciate it though.

[Andrew NDB]

Apparently Eastman will also be involved with the interior art, though they aren't stating how exactly. Maybe layouts? Or they meet an alternate dimension version of the turtles?

They sort of seemed like they were hinting at something unique.

Maybe a portal opens and the Mirage TMNT pop out, Eastman drawing just them on all the pages. My ears would perk up, but it'd be a little melancholy.

[Sabacooza]

At this point I think this whole TMNT Batman crossover is being done to death. It would be nice to see a new cross over comic with someone else.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

At this point I think this whole TMNT Batman crossover is being done to death. Move onto something else for God's sake. The animated movie is fine because we haven't gotten anything like that yet but another comic book series? No.

Are you kidding? It's printing money for them, quality be damned. :tlol:

[Sabacooza]

I guess so or they wouldn't be doing it. Still, it would be nice if they did a new crossover.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I guess so or they wouldn't be doing. Still, it would be nice if they did a new crossover.

With Marvel. X-Men, Daredevil, Spiderman.

If we must have crossovers in the first place, those seem like interesting ones to do.

[Kenwatanabesclone]

A daredevil crossover with mirage turtles would be so cool.

[Andrew NDB]

A daredevil crossover with mirage turtles would be so cool.

It needs to be Mirage, if that happens.

[AquaParade]

A daredevil crossover with mirage turtles would be so cool.

It just needs to happen.

Imagine if they got Frank Miller to do a cover. Frank Miller needs to do a TMNT cover, in general. IDW has to splurge for it someday, even if it's an over-priced variant. I'd buy it. I know his art is controversial these days, but I still appreciate it.

It needs to be Mirage, if that happens.

Mmm. This is sort of true, for me as well, now that I think about it. Maybe not for a variant cover, but for a crossover, yeah.

I mean...I don't know. I'm sort of brain-scrambled on whether it'd be worth doing with IDW.

[TurtleWA]

Anyway I want to see a BatVan or Turtlemobile.

It will be interesting to see what direction the makers take. I would like to see one of the turtles use one of the already existing bat vehicles. If it works in the overall story. But not super goofy Mikey driving and crackin’ jokes. More like turtle needing to get some place quickly for some reason. If a joke is needed. Less is more. Like maybe a tight fit getting in because the vehicle is not designed for large shell. Robin giving funny look from passenger side asking if everything is ok.

edit: it would be great if Mikey slaps one of those I heart NY bumper stickers on the batmobile without anyone knowing. Like as they all quickly walked by to go some place. lol

[Andrew NDB]

It just needs to happen.

Imagine if they got Frank Miller to do a cover. Frank Miller needs to do a TMNT cover, in general.

Or if he had even more involvement...

"DAREDEVIL/TMNT, MILLER/EASTMAN, 2020"

Hell yeah.

Mmm. This is sort of true, for me as well, now that I think about it.

Mirage is the only universe where there's the origin connection. If, say, IDW TMNT met Daredevil, it'd just be them randomly meeting with no connection. Same as Batman or anybody else.

[AquaParade]

Or if he had even more involvement...

"DAREDEVIL/TMNT, MILLER/EASTMAN, 2020"

Hell yeah.



Mirage is the only universe where there's the origin connection. If, say, IDW TMNT met Daredevil, it'd just be them randomly meeting with no connection. Same as Batman or anybody else.

Yeah, that's definitely true about the origin.

That said, I don't believe the origin's should actually be connected. Unless the TMNT were to join the Marvel universe. Not sure where you stand on that.

But I believe there is a meta-narrative there that needs to be touched on. And maybe only applies to Mirage? I'll have to come back when I've thought this through.

Eastman and Miller doing TMNT in 2020. What a dream.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, that's definitely true about the origin.

That said, I don't believe the origin's should actually be connected. Unless the TMNT were to join the Marvel universe. Not sure where you stand on that.

It'd be like any one of those old crossovers from the 90s with, like, Punisher vs. Batman or Star Trek/X-Men. For the crossover and only for the crossover, they exist in the same universe. One time only thing, unless there's a sequel to the crossover, and the events therein are -- of course -- never mentioned in either of the main books. I'm OK with those sort of things.

[AquaParade]

It'd be like any one of those old crossovers from the 90s with, like, Punisher vs. Batman or Star Trek/X-Men. For the crossover and only for the crossover, they exist in the same universe. One time only thing, unless there's a sequel to the crossover, and the events therein are -- of course -- never mentioned in either of the main books. I'm OK with those sort of things.

At that point, do they still feel like the Mirage turtles to you though? I'm not sure it would have that effect on me.

That said, I may have changed my mind on the origin issue. I can see the beauty in finding a way to actually connect the origins, whether it's done the way you said, or actually has some type of cross-dimensional narrative to explain it.

I'm sure for some people, actually retconning the origins, to make them connect wouldn't work, but since it sort of exemplifies the beauty of inspiration and legacy within comics, I'm now thinking that I would be all for it. I love that type of meta-narrative ****. See, I'd be all for the narrative to focus on that type of story, because, typically, running through as many of the rogues-gallery as possible, isn't a great pitch to me, even if you can do good things within those boundaries, and that's what crossovers usually do.

Though, if the team were to consist of Eastman and Miller, I'd suppose we'd want something simple and action-packed, meta-narrative be damned. Bring in Peter though, and who knows.

[Kenwatanabesclone]

This is slightly unrelated to the crossover discussion, but I’ve always loved the 80s indie comic duo-shade look. I’ve always wanted that style to make a comeback. If they do ever do a crossover with the “Mirage” turtles, I hope they would emulate that look with photoshop.

Speaking of grafix duoshade, Does anybody here know of any modern equivelants/knockoffs of that? It seems sad that the only way to do it is with computers nowadays.

[Andrew NDB]

At that point, do they still feel like the Mirage turtles to you though? I'm not sure it would have that effect on me.

Wouldn't be too dissimilar from, say, the Savage Dragon crossovers. Obviously there's no real way to reconcile the whole Image universe around the back history of TMNT.

That said, I may have changed my mind on the origin issue. I can see the beauty in finding a way to actually connect the origins, whether it's done the way you said, or actually has some type of cross-dimensional narrative to explain it.

It's gotta be a thing. It's one of those geeky things in geek culture since forever. It's one of those things, like, when your friends know you're into TMNT but they're not, they'll invariably come up to you one day and go, "DID YOU KNOW... the same cannister that smashed the bowl with the turtles hit Matt Murdoch by the eyes???"

Yes, I know that. Everybody knows that.

Though, if the team were to consist of Eastman and Miller, I'd suppose we'd want something simple and action-packed, meta-narrative be damned.

I think we can do both, can't we? Obviously The Hand and The Foot need to be a thing, two branches of the same "body." Certainly with violence at least on a level of TMNT Vol. 1., #1.

Bring in Peter though, and who knows.

I don't think Peter is a Daredevil fan, though, only Kevin is. Also, I think it was the very first time I met Kevin, in 1999, he told me his dream project -- that he said he'd been pitching hard -- was TMNT/Daredevil. I imagine Marvel just never took the hook, but Kevin physically should still have whatever it was he was pitching right now. Now if Frank Miller could take a look at that pitch and come in with his own $0.02...

[AquaParade]

Yeah, you gotta believe Kevin has pitched the thing more than once. He probably wants it more than we do.

I've been really happy to see him getting some work at DC lately, even if it's mostly covers. He also got the Kamandi issue with Tom King and now has a bigger part in the Batman x TMNT crossover. That's all great. Maybe with a little momentum in Eastman's career, Marvel will change their mind. Plus, they could see it as incentive to get Frank Miller back in the fold. Imagine the headlines we'd get if he returned to Daredevil. Guhh.

[CyberCubed]

In some weird alternate reality, all of this just makes me wonder what it would be like if DC bought Ninja Turtles from Peter instead of Nick. That's all these comics reminds me of.

[Toxin45]

Yeah, you gotta believe Kevin has pitched the thing more than once. He probably wants it more than we do.

I've been really happy to see him getting some work at DC lately, even if it's mostly covers. He also got the Kamandi issue with Tom King and now has a bigger part in the Batman x TMNT crossover. That's all great. Maybe with a little momentum in Eastman's career, Marvel will change their mind. Plus, they could see it as incentive to get Frank Miller back in the fold. Imagine the headlines we'd get if he returned to Daredevil. Guhh.

If Peter won't finish mirage volume 4 then Kevin will.

[AquaParade]

If Peter won't finish mirage volume 4 then Kevin will.

I'd be all for it, but I don't see this ever happening, due to volume 4 being primarily a Peter Laird - TMNT story from inception, as well as the rights issue.

[Andrew NDB]

If Peter won't finish mirage volume 4 then Kevin will.

Kevin has 0 interest in Volume 4. I very much doubt he's even ever read it.

That said, Kevin spearheading like... a TMNT Volume 5? That'd be kind of cool.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

In some weird alternate reality, all of this just makes me wonder what it would be like if DC bought Ninja Turtles from Peter instead of Nick. That's all these comics reminds me of.

The Justice Force members would probably have more prominent roles.

[Toxin45]

Kevin has 0 interest in Volume 4. I very much doubt he's even ever read it.

That said, Kevin spearheading like... a TMNT Volume 5? That'd be kind of cool.

Don't really see the point of a volume 5 and Peter Laird probably gave up on the idea.

[pferreira]

Batman and co look great, the TMNT...not sure what's going on there. At least some fans will be happy. :)

[Andrew NDB]

Don't really see the point of a volume 5 and Peter Laird probably gave up on the idea.

You're not real.

[pferreira]

You're not real.I see the point of Volume 5 but kind of agree with the second part of Toxin's sentence.

[Toxin45]

You're not real.

Oh I am given that he didn't even finish volume 4 what makes you think he will start volume 5?

[Andrew NDB]

Oh I am given that he didn't even finish volume 4 what makes you think he will start volume 5?

Kevin had nothing to do with 4 but he could start a brand new volume 5 set, like, now, and leapfrog whatever ending events hypothetically happened at the end of 4. And just start with the Turtles at a different point in their lives. New enemies, etc..

[Toxin45]

Kevin had nothing to do with 4 but he could start a brand new volume 5 set, like, now, and leapfrog whatever ending events hypothetically happened at the end of 4. And just start with the Turtles at a different point in their lives. New enemies, etc..

Kevin is too busy with the idw comics than he does volume 5

[frank_one]

Kevin CAN'T do anything with the turtles unless idw or viacom are involved, so a volume 5 is very unlikely. Only Laird can do it and I doubt he wants to start a new volume, considering the current state of volume 4.

[Andrew NDB]

Kevin CAN'T do anything with the turtles unless idw or viacom are involved, so a volume 5 is very unlikely. Only Laird can do it and I doubt he wants to start a new volume, considering the current state of volume 4.

There is nothing that says IDW can't make Mirage Volume 5. And yes, when I say Kevin can make Volume 5, I mean Kevin can pitch it to IDW and IDW can run it up the flagpole to Nickelodeon and see if that's OK.

[frank_one]

Or if he had even more involvement...

"DAREDEVIL/TMNT, MILLER/EASTMAN, 2020"When The Hand and the Foot clan form a new super criminal group called The Body, the old turtles must return and team-up with Daredevil to defeat it.
With a lot of violence and four bloody red bandanas. Call me in.
Is there some duoshade sheets still around?

[frank_one]

There is nothing that says IDW can't make Mirage Volume 5. And yes, when I say Kevin can make Volume 5, I mean Kevin can pitch it to IDW and IDW can run it up the flagpole to Nickelodeon and see if that's OK.Yes. Not sure if I would be willing to see Idw continuing mirage stuff though. Maybe if they bring back Lawson...

[Toxin45]

When The Hand and the Foot clan form a new super criminal group called The Body, the old turtles must return and team-up with Daredevil to defeat it.
With a lot of violence and four bloody red bandanas. Call me in.
Is there some duoshade sheets still around?

Frank Millier is kinda controversial these days He prefers doing his own thing now.

[Toxin45]

Yes. Not sure if I would be willing to see Idw continuing mirage stuff though. Maybe if they bring back Lawson...

Lawson is already doing his own project.

[Galactus]

I'm still happy that we're getting a movie that isn't aimed squarely at 8 year olds and TMNT's association with Batman carrying on outside the comics but looking at the art for the part III of their comic crossovers make me really wish they'd tried to emulate that art style for the animation.

It's kinda made me realise that I'm more than over with the idea of giving the turtles different body and facial types. It's more than fine when it's subtle like the 1990 movie and what Paul Harmon was attempting to do with his art on Tales V2 had the book continued, I'd even argue the Imagi movie did this well but since the 2012 show set it as a new standard it always seemed to get exaggerated by artists. Don in particular always seems to get the short end of the stick looking like he's been stretched vertically.

The designs in the movie don't look bad but yeah seeing the artwork from the story the movie is based on really hammers home what the turtles should look like. Some of the best turtle designs imo.

Mirage is the only universe where there's the origin connection. If, say, IDW TMNT met Daredevil, it'd just be them randomly meeting with no connection. Same as Batman or anybody else.

The'd still be thematically linked though. Even in a crossover with Mirage version would the quirk of the origins being connected be anything more than a vague recognition between the characters like Raphael's "Do I know you?" when he meets Chet in 15 Years Later.

It really shouldn't be anything more than that anyway. That'd be kind of a worry I'd have that some writer couldn't resist playing up the connections between the two franchises. To be honest there's a few other Marvel crossovers I'd love to see before Daredevil even if that's the most obvious one.

Kevin had nothing to do with 4 but he could start a brand new volume 5 set, like, now, and leapfrog whatever ending events hypothetically happened at the end of 4. And just start with the Turtles at a different point in their lives. New enemies, etc..

That would depend on what kind of an end Peter has in mind for Vol. 4.

I think when he started it he meant it to be the last TMNT story and by his own admission had an apocalyptic end planned but then after a while changed his mind. I think the idea of the turtles being an 'evergreen' property appealed to him and wanted a more open ending. He even floated the idea of a Vol. 5 with more traditional TMNT stories once, of course what is traditional for Peter might not what many people including Kevin thinks...like would the Utroms still be on Earth?

Of course you could always have two continuations of Mirage; an Eastman-verse and a Laird-verse largely sharing the same 80s and 90s history but diverging from when the two stopped working together. To be honest I imagine Kevin would be more into starting from scratch if he even had the juice for a proper TMNT run.

[Wildcat]

It will be interesting to see what direction the makers take. I would like to see one of the turtles use one of the already existing bat vehicles. If it works in the overall story. But not super goofy Mikey driving and crackin’ jokes. More like turtle needing to get some place quickly for some reason. If a joke is needed. Less is more. Like maybe a tight fit getting in because the vehicle is not designed for large shell. Robin giving funny look from passenger side asking if everything is ok.

edit: it would be great if Mikey slaps one of those I heart NY bumper stickers on the batmobile without anyone knowing. Like as they all quickly walked by to go some place. lolYa something like that sounds good. Batman being all serious and giving him a look of disapproval.

I’d still prefer some crossover vehicle that maybe Don and Batman put together.

[TurtleWA]

Ya something like that sounds good. Batman being all serious and giving him a look of disapproval.

I’d still prefer some crossover vehicle that maybe Don and Batman put together.

Sounds cool to me.

[Ninjinister]

I can think of very few things I'd rather see less.

Weird flex but okay

[sdp]

Who is ponying up the money? from a quick read on the PR it seems it's DC, in that case it'll really be something different than whatever viacom may have produced, if it's viacom then if it's successful they might continue this idea of tmnt movies like DC does.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I am more than excited for this although it's weird that they're going for the blue cape and cowl of the 70s and 90s comics for Batman. The turtles' designs (especially Don) could be better but they still look pretty cool.

There is nothing that says IDW can't make Mirage Volume 5. And yes, when I say Kevin can make Volume 5, I mean Kevin can pitch it to IDW and IDW can run it up the flagpole to Nickelodeon and see if that's OK.

I can only hope that he does as I would love to see more of Mirage continue and at this point, a Volume 5 is more likely than Peter continuing and concluding Volume 4. Laird just doesn't seem to have the desire to continue it. He might just be done with it for good, unfortunately.


It's kinda made me realise that I'm more than over with the idea of giving the turtles different body and facial types. It's more than fine when it's subtle like the 1990 movie and what Paul Harmon was attempting to do with his art on Tales V2 had the book continued, I'd even argue the Imagi movie did this well but since the 2012 show set it as a new standard it always seemed to get exaggerated by artists. Don in particular always seems to get the short end of the stick looking like he's been stretched vertically.

Pretty much this.

It really shouldn't be anything more than that anyway. That'd be kind of a worry I'd have that some writer couldn't resist playing up the connections between the two franchises. To be honest there's a few other Marvel crossovers I'd love to see before Daredevil even if that's the most obvious one.

That would depend on what kind of an end Peter has in mind for Vol. 4.

I think when he started it he meant it to be the last TMNT story and by his own admission had an apocalyptic end planned but then after a while changed his mind. I think the idea of the turtles being an 'evergreen' property appealed to him and wanted a more open ending. He even floated the idea of a Vol. 5 with more traditional TMNT stories once, of course what is traditional for Peter might not what many people including Kevin thinks...like would the Utroms still be on Earth?

Of course you could always have two continuations of Mirage; an Eastman-verse and a Laird-verse largely sharing the same 80s and 90s history but diverging from when the two stopped working together. To be honest I imagine Kevin would be more into starting from scratch if he even had the juice for a proper TMNT run.

It makes you wonder that if a Volume 5 were to happen, would we get less sci-fi influences?

[Toxin45]

I am more than excited for this although it's weird that they're going for the blue cape and cowl of the 70s and 90s comics for Batman. The turtles' designs (especially Don) could be better but they still look pretty cool.



I can only hope that he does as I would love to see more of Mirage continue and at this point, a Volume 5 is more likely than Peter continuing and concluding Volume 4. Laird just doesn't seem to have the desire to continue it. He might just be done with it for good, unfortunately.



Pretty much this.



It makes you wonder that if a Volume 5 were to happen, would we get less sci-fi influences?

Uh problem Black and white comics aren't popular anymore So if volume 5 does happen it would probably in all colors. I think Volume 5 would be shorted and conclude the mirage continuity for good.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Uh problem Black and white comics aren't popular anymore So if volume 5 does happen it would probably in all colors. I think Volume 5 would be shorted and conclude the mirage continuity for good.

Please pay attention to what you read because nowhere did I say that it had to be black and white. The previous comics may have been black and white but it doesn't matter to me whether a potential Volume 5 is either that or in color. And you sure seem to insist on telling fans that Mirage will never continue.

[Andrew NDB]

Please pay attention to what you read because nowhere did I say that it had to be black and white. The previous comics may have been black and white but it doesn't matter to me whether a potential Volume 5 is either that or in color.

They no longer made duoshade paper, and making a B&W book would only appeal to a niche market. I would want to see Volume 5 in proper color.

And you sure seem to insist on telling fans that Mirage will never continue.

Yep. Almost like towing the company line...

[Toxin45]

They no longer made duoshade paper, and making a B&W book would only appeal to a niche market. I would want to see Volume 5 in proper color.



Yep. Almost like towing the company line...

Well mirage is a small studio with one person.

[Toxin45]

Please pay attention to what you read because nowhere did I say that it had to be black and white. The previous comics may have been black and white but it doesn't matter to me whether a potential Volume 5 is either that or in color. And you sure seem to insist on telling fans that Mirage will never continue.

Well what is there to continue at this point?

[frank_one]

Well mirage is a small studio with one person.Who doesn't want to work on Turtles anymore. Tha's it.

[IndigoErth]

https://geekreply.com/geek-culture/movies-tv-shows/2019/02/17/troy-baker-to-star-in-the-upcoming-batman-ninja-turtles-crossover-animated-movie

Eric Bauza (The Woody Woodpecker Show) as Leonardo
So... Tiger Claw becomes Splinter becomes Leo...?

..wait what... :tlol:


Knowing his voice as TC and the current Splinter, that is just impossible to imagine right now. lol

[Vicky82]

So... Tiger Claw becomes Splinter becomes Leo...?

..wait what... :tlol:


Knowing his voice as TC and the current Splinter, that is just impossible to imagine right now. lol

He voiced Leo in this short (the turtles take time and space), so you would be able hear what he would sound like in the movie.

jOuSCfJgpd8

[IndigoErth]

Ah, good example then, thanks. Didn't know the guy has such a wide voice range, wow. Though going by the designs for this crossover I hope he voices Leo a little older than he did in the short.

[oldmanwinters]

They no longer made duoshade paper.

I remember when Jim Lawson posted on social media about using his last surviving sheet of duo shade paper. Man, it was truly the end of an era. :tcry:

[Ninjinister]

Please pay attention to what you read because nowhere did I say that it had to be black and white. The previous comics may have been black and white but it doesn't matter to me whether a potential Volume 5 is either that or in color. And you sure seem to insist on telling fans that Mirage will never continue.

They no longer made duoshade paper, and making a B&W book would only appeal to a niche market. I would want to see Volume 5 in proper color.



Yep. Almost like towing the company line...

I mean it's not like we didn't have an entire volume of Mirage in color, either.

[Andrew NDB]

I mean it's not like we didn't have an entire volume of Mirage in color, either.

Right. That's why I get pissed when TPTB keep trying to make it like the Mirage universe is "the black and white TMNT universe." It's not supposed to be and, for a time, wasn't at all.

[AquaParade]

Right. That's why I get pissed when TPTB keep trying to make it like the Mirage universe is "the black and white TMNT universe." It's not supposed to be and, for a time, wasn't at all.

Yeah, I was sort of weirded out by the Mirage turtles being in b&w in "Turtles Forever". I mean, I understand that they want to spice up the somewhat cheap animation and go stylistic. It makes sense.

But I was still sort of scratching my head.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Well what is there to continue at this point?

Yet you said that Kevin should continue Volume 4? That sounds contradictory.

[Toxin45]

Yet you said that Kevin should continue Volume 4? That sounds contradictory.

Yeah I did and now it's wishful thinking at this point.

[sdp]

So this movie is being handled by WB animation, it should be cool to see another companies take on the turtles. It also comes out this spring right? Even if it's late spring it's not that far away, we'll likely have it before SDCC.

[Ninjinister]

Right. That's why I get pissed when TPTB keep trying to make it like the Mirage universe is "the black and white TMNT universe." It's not supposed to be and, for a time, wasn't at all.

It was... "fine" I guess in Turtles Forever, because the point was to juxtapose how different everything was from each other. But then they just kept going and I'm like "goddammit stooooooop".

And it all uses some aping of issue 1's art, too.

[ninjawolf10]

This looks good! Not seen any mention of Splinter yet though:-? He was in the comics so I assume he'll be in this too. I was surprised Eric Bauza is doing Leo's voice, sounded ok in that clip posted further up though.

[frank_one]

Yeah, I was sort of weirded out by the Mirage turtles being in b&w in "Turtles Forever". I mean, I understand that they want to spice up the somewhat cheap animation and go stylistic. It makes sense.

But I was still sort of scratching my head.In Turtles Forever they basically travel to Mirage volume 1, issue 1. That issue was in b&w, there is nothing weird about the mirage turtles being in b&w in that segment.

[AquaParade]

In Turtles Forever they basically travel to Mirage volume 1, issue 1. That issue was in b&w, there is nothing weird about the mirage turtles being in b&w in that segment.

Disagree. It’s weird because it treats them as fictional within their own universe.

The comics were black and white because of circumstance, not because everything is black and white in the Mirage universe.

I mean, it’s fine they chose to do that, I’m just pointing out the fact that their world is actually intended to be full of color. It’s like if the 2K3 turtles acknowledged that their limited number of animation frames were slowing them down in combat.

Again, I get the stylistic choice, and the pinpoint reverence and homage to that first issue is cool.

[Andrew NDB]

Disagree. It’s weird because it treats them as fictional within their own universe.

The comics were black and white because of circumstance, not because everything is black and white in the Mirage universe.

I mean, it’s fine they chose to do that, I’m just pointing out the fact that their world is actually intended to be full of color. It’s like if the 2K3 turtles acknowledged that their limited number of animation frames were slowing them down in combat.

Yes, precisely. That.

[TurtleWA]

He voiced Leo in this short (the turtles take time and space), so you would be able hear what he would sound like in the movie.

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I don’t ever remember seeing this beautiful work. It was like a doughnut for me eyes. If 2012 gets more attention in the future, I would wish for a pleasing look such as this. :toops:

[CyberCubed]

So what do we call the Turtles who debut in this movie? WB's first take on the Ninja Turtles? I think people are overlooking the fact that this is our first look at a Warner Bros. version of TMNT, even if it's only a single movie (so far)

[IndigoErth]

Doubtful that it would have much reason to be referred to anything other than the Batman crossover movie unless WB ever actually goes further with TMNT work beyond it.

[AquaParade]

So what do we call the Turtles who debut in this movie? WB's first take on the Ninja Turtles? I think people are overlooking the fact that this is our first look at a Warner Bros. version of TMNT, even if it's only a single movie (so far)

That is pretty cool, but as far as I know, we still don't really know how the production works. If Nick is strictly approving of every decision WB makes with the TMNT, that sort of takes away from the idea.

Still neat though. At this point, I'm hoping for WB to just buy the TMNT. We'll never get Mirage back, but I think this would be an exciting and positive outcome.

[newfan]

I wonder if including them with Superhero's was also to promote them more before the next movie?, from Viacom/Nicks point. Thinking of the younger audience who may have overlooked the shows I mean.....
That or the comics did well enough to give this a shot?

[Kenwatanabesclone]

Wasn’t 2007 Warner Bros?

[Andrew NDB]

Wasn’t 2007 Warner Bros?

Yep. It was.

[frank_one]

Disagree. It’s weird because it treats them as fictional within their own universe.

The comics were black and white because of circumstance, not because everything is black and white in the Mirage universe. But they were INSIDE the comics as a media not as an universe and... well, I don't know anymore, maybe you're right :)

[Leo656]

Did someone else turn out to be Goku? What'd I miss?

Come home from work to see people Banned. Crazy.

[snake]

If it was Goku again, I think we should just let the guy stay because of his persistence. It's not like he was being antagonistic in his previous attempts at resurrection, and the forums aren't exactly bursting with activity these days.

I'm #proGoku

[Leo656]

Nah. They're clearly mentally ill and we really don't need any more of that.

Anyone who would fight THIS hard to sneak into a place they've been removed from multiple times is eventually going to stalk, date rape, and murder someone. We shouldn't enable them.

[snake]

This place is 99% composed of folks with just a tiny touch of the 'tism. One more isn't going to hurt anyone. Plus, we're most likely the only place left for the guy. I can't imagine things being super fulfilling in the life of Goku at the moment.

[AquaParade]

But they were INSIDE the comics as a media not as an universe and... well, I don't know anymore, maybe you're right :)

Idk. Maybe we're both overthinking it.

Goku?
Somehow I miss everything around here

[Egon1982]

This looks interesting and the turtles actually look like the turtles than the ones on the current new cartoon and the ones from the new movies.

[pferreira]

Did someone else turn out to be Goku? What'd I miss?

Come home from work to see people Banned. Crazy.A user called Goku? What's that about? :D

Also I wonder what got him banned?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This place is 99% composed of folks with just a tiny touch of the 'tism. One more isn't going to hurt anyone. Plus, we're most likely the only place left for the guy. I can't imagine things being super fulfilling in the life of Goku at the moment.

If the 'Drome is somebody's only chance for friends or fulfillment, then they're already a lost cause.

Nah. They're clearly mentally ill and we really don't need any more of that.

Anyone who would fight THIS hard to sneak into a place they've been removed from multiple times is eventually going to stalk, date rape, and murder someone. We shouldn't enable them.

I'm with Leo on this one. Anyone continually dressing up in new accounts, well... I'll let Bruce Wayne say it for me:

https://media.giphy.com/media/jDMe3508ZNCj6/giphy.gif

[CyberCubed]

What amazes me is how many old accounts he has from the early 2000's to mid-2000's. It's like he registered 15 different usernames years ago and saved them all for a later time, before he even knew he'd be banned.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

What amazes me is how many old accounts he has from the early 2000's to mid-2000's. It's like he registered 15 different usernames years ago and saved them all for a later time, before he even knew he'd be banned.

Well that bodes well for a healthy psyche.

[CyberCubed]

I mean didn't he have accounts from back in like 2005-2007 at some point? I swear, you'd see a registered username from like 2005 with only like 5 posts and then suddenly come back and get banned. How is that even possible?

[pferreira]

I mean didn't he have accounts from back in like 2005-2007 at some point? I swear, you'd see a registered username from like 2005 with only like 5 posts and then suddenly come back and get banned. How is that even possible?Who is this guy? A master of disguise?! :o

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Who is this guy? A master of disguise?! :o

You're getting awfully Over the Top with this. Somebody's gonna out YOU as Goku if you're not careful. Or Etsy. Or Mew. We've got a roster.

[Allio]

The truth is we are all Goku.

[Andrew NDB]

Between Goku and the PLANTS it's gonna get crazy.

[pferreira]

You're getting awfully Over the Top with this. Somebody's gonna out YOU as Goku if you're not careful. Or Etsy. Or Mew. We've got a roster.Nah, neatoman already tried to do that in the past. He thought it was some kind of conspiracy. It was hilarious to watch him waste time collecting research on me just because I would post once a week. :lol:

[neatoman]

Nah, neatoman already tried to do that in the past. He thought it was some kind of conspiracy. It was hilarious to watch him waste time collecting research on me just because I would post once a week. :lol:

Actually it wasn't just me. Your behaviour reminded me of someone who has admitted to having aspergers, so I asked if you also had aspergers, to which you responded in a very hostile manner. Then I noticed that you were extremely strict with only posting on Thursdays, even when it meant waiting a week to respond. When I pointed that out you got even angrier, at which point someone else suspected that you might have been prohibited from free internet access. It's also worth mentioning that others have pointed out you've been banned from other forums for your behaviour and that you keep pestering David Wise on Facebook.

[pferreira]

Actually it wasn't just me. Your behaviour reminded me of someone who has admitted to having aspergers, so I asked if you also had aspergersMaybe I should get tested? Never know? :)

When I pointed that out you got even angrier, at which point someone else suspected that you might have been prohibited from free internet access.I think when you kept being persistant enough about me being in a mental hospital with limited Internet access yes anyone after a while of hearing that would get slightly annoyed. Stating the obvious?

It's also worth mentioning that others have pointed out you've been banned from other forums for your behaviourFor what behaviour exactly? Disliking something? Providing a different opinion? It's a different world today, free speech isn't allowed.

that you keep pestering David Wise on Facebook.When he posted I saw a notification so sometimes I went and posted a comment, some comments he didn't like because of my politics. After a while anything I said however ignorant (as in out of the loop) he had a go at me for. But at the end of the day aren't Facebook friends supposed to y'know talk to each other? :ohwell:

[Leo656]

But at the end of the day aren't Facebook friends supposed to y'know talk to each other? :ohwell:

Nope. "Happy Birthday" and that's it. Safer that way.

[Andrew NDB]

Leo656 still won't poke me back.

[marcelangelo]

Man, I was almost excited over seeing people posting in this thread only to come here and find there are no news on that Batman turtles flick:tcry:

[Andrew NDB]

Man, I was almost excited over seeing people posting in this thread only to come here and find there are no news on that Batman turtles flick:tcry:

You tried pages one and two, right?

[marcelangelo]

You tried pages one and two, right?

Out of ten???:tgrin:

Na, was hoping for more new information, screen shots whatever

[Leo656]

No, no, that's not how this place works. All the news is on Page 1, the rest is typically me doing schtick and people reacting to it.

I remember at one point, everyone specifically added News Updates to the first page of any thread, knowing full well that pages 2 through 200 were forever just nonsense. :lol: Good stuff.

Leo656 still won't poke me back.

What ARE "pokes"? I've never understood that.

By all means brother, PM me that link and I'll hit you with the feedback when I get a solid chance.

I generally only use FB to advertise my wrestling bookings, wish people Happy Birthday, and drunkenly post Misfits lyrics until people remove me from their feed. So... way better at it than most people, but still far from perfect. :tgrin:

[neatoman]

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[marcelangelo]

[QUOTE=Leo656;1796022]No, no, that's not how this place works. All the news is on Page 1, the rest is typically me doing schtick and people reacting to it.

I remember at one point, everyone specifically added News Updates to the first page of any thread, knowing full well that pages 2 through 200 were forever just nonsense. :lol: Good stuff.



:lol::lol:

[Leo656]

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:lol: Nice. Nice.

[AquaParade]

Who thinks the TMNT will be reincarnated? Are they based on IDW?

[CyberCubed]

Who thinks the TMNT will be reincarnated? Are they based on IDW?

I doubt it, these are probably generic all-new Turtles with no ties to any previous series.

[Powder]

While I am looking forward to checking out some new TMNT animation, I can't say I'm excited for this. I fail to see the appeal of these crossovers. I'm not a Batman guy in the first place, so there's that, but these two worlds just don't seem a logical fit to me. I can concede incidental similarities, of course, it's just, I dunno, they're far removed in my mind. The comics, while brilliantly drawn, are tonally wacko & treat the TMNT in such a way that lives up to only the most surface level Casual idea of who they & their world are- Fred Wolf on steroids. I try to enjoy them as best I can, but art aside, they're a bit painful to endure. Pairing that with how I am unable to appreciate the Batman side of things, well, yeah, not my cup of tea on a whole. Nonetheless, it may play out in a more thrilling fashion in this format, though the art style doesn't really do it any favors. I do quite like Andy Kuhn's work over at IDW, but these designs aren't really up my alley. Oh well. Curious to see if this will be a visually unique adaption, or something new & separate from the books.

[pferreira]

Nope. "Happy Birthday" and that's it. Safer that way.I do agree with you but with David...yea I don't think he deserves that at this point, not from me. :)

[AquaParade]

While I am looking forward to checking out some new TMNT animation, I can't say I'm excited for this. I fail to see the appeal of these crossovers. I'm not a Batman guy in the first place, so there's that, but these two worlds just don't seem a logical fit to me. I can concede incidental similarities, of course, it's just, I dunno, they're far removed in my mind. The comics, while brilliantly drawn, are tonally wacko & treat the TMNT in such a way that lives up to only the most surface level Casual idea of who they & their world are- Fred Wolf on steroids. I try to enjoy them as best I can, but art aside, they're a bit painful to endure. Pairing that with how I am unable to appreciate the Batman side of things, well, yeah, not my cup of tea on a whole. Nonetheless, it may play out in a more thrilling fashion in this format, though the art style doesn't really do it any favors. I do quite like Andy Kuhn's work over at IDW, but these designs aren't really up my alley. Oh well. Curious to see if this will be a visually unique adaption, or something new & separate from the books.

Interesting. I can see your point, and I sure hope they don’t come across as simply FW TMNT on steroids, but I haven’t even read the books yet.
My hope was that this would be the most “on-brand” TMNT we’ve had in years, compared to Platinum Dunes and “Rise...”. That’s what makes me excited. But if “on-brand” just means FW TMNT, that might dampen my excitement. I suppose I was imagining something more like the 1990 movie, where they take pieces of the widely-known, pop-culture version of TMNT and melt them with a heavy comic-inspired “base”.

My hope is for this to treat the TMNT with respect (not that they can’t be a bit goofy - I enjoy that) and that it reaches a new audience who gravitates and supports that rendition of TMNT, while also giving us a fun little flick.

I supposed I’ve just been cheerleading for the little snail in the race that’s branded “comic-inspired TMNT animation” for a while now, and any time he wakes up, I’m urging him to move just an inch towards the finish line. This could be an inch. Go snail, go!

[neatoman]

Who thinks the TMNT will be reincarnated? Are they based on IDW?

I doubt it, these are probably generic all-new Turtles with no ties to any previous series.

I'm not so sure about that, Cubed. DC animation might want to add some context, it's not like everyone who buys their direct to DVD movies also know much about TMNT.

[AquaParade]

I can see where Cubed is coming from, but I do think you have to acknowledge the origin in some way, no matter what they go with.

In fact, whenever you have a new interpretation of a superhero/fantasy type character, I think you need to touch on the origin at least for a moment.

When people talk about a new Spider-Man and Batman movies nowadays, and say things like “we don’t need the origin! We all know it!”, I tend to disagree. We don’t need an origin-based story, but we do need to at least take a few minutes and put a stake in the ground, acknowledging the origin.

Spider-Man Homecoming just barely touches the origin. I think it could have used a little more clarification, but I’m sure some will disagree. I’d say, given the circumstances around Spider-Man and his many reboots, it’s acceptable... and it works. I would have had them acknowledge it just a smidge more though.

[newfan]

Spider-Man Homecoming just barely touches the origin. I think it could have used a little more clarification, but I’m sure some will disagree. I’d say, given the circumstances around Spider-Man and his many reboots, it’s acceptable... and it works. I would have had them acknowledge it just a smidge more though.

Yeah agreed, I thought the same given both the amount of and time lapse between the reboots.

I'm just wondering what sort of time frame we can expect for this movie.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

In fact, whenever you have a new interpretation of a superhero/fantasy type character, I think you need to touch on the origin at least for a moment.

How about playing a theme song or voice before the film begins, like in the cartoons? (it can be a new-written to distance the film versions from other versions) Just think of series like Blackstar or the Masters of the Universe and how much is revealed by just a few sentences accompanied with some music.

[neatoman]

How about playing a theme song or voice before the film begins, like in the cartoons? (it can be a new-written to distance the film versions from other versions) Just think of series like Blackstar or the Masters of the Universe and how much is revealed by just a few sentences accompanied with some music.

No. That's a good idea for a TV show but not a movie, maybe a text crawl/opening narration or an introduction scene. A theme song intro would just be odd in a standalone movie.

As for the examples you picked, He-Man has a terrible intro in terms of being an adequate explaination even if that's what it sets out to be. Did Adam discover his powers by accident or did he get them some other way? What are his powers exactly aside from being "the most powerful man in the universe"? Why do they need to anyone besides the three people mentioned? Then you watch the actual show and find out that Eternia isn't just a kingdom but an entire planet, there's way more characters running around than the intro implied and for some reason the tiger can talk despite only roaring in the intro.

As for Blackstar, I don't know anything about it. Watching the intro it felt a little too similar to He-Man in concept and presentation apart from some Flash Gordon influence, I even noticed how it was produced by the same people. Weird.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

No. That's a good idea for a TV show but not a movie, maybe a text crawl/opening narration or an introduction scene. A theme song intro would just be odd in a standalone movie.

As for the examples you picked, He-Man has a terrible intro in terms of being an adequate explaination even if that's what it sets out to be. Did Adam discover his powers by accident or did he get them some other way? What are his powers exactly aside from being "the most powerful man in the universe"? Why do they need to anyone besides the three people mentioned? Then you watch the actual show and find out that Eternia isn't just a kingdom but an entire planet, there's way more characters running around than the intro implied and for some reason the tiger can talk despite only roaring in the intro.

As for Blackstar, I don't know anything about it. Watching the intro it felt a little too similar to He-Man in concept and presentation apart from some Flash Gordon influence, I even noticed how it was produced by the same people. Weird.

I agree an opening crawl would be better for a film when you mention it. I forgot about Star Wars.

Yes, Blackstar has similarities with Masters of the Universe (even if John Blackstar is the Earth astronaut and not his mother). Being a 1981 Filmation Studios production, I would call it Proto-Masters of the Universe.

[Zog The Magnificent]

I notice a conspicuous lack of Shredder in the cast list. That and the title of the movie lead me to believe that they won't actually be adapting the story from the comic this is supposedly based on.

[ninjawolf10]

I notice a conspicuous lack of Shredder in the cast list. That and the title of the movie lead me to believe that they won't actually be adapting the story from the comic this is supposedly based on.

Yep. I noticed Splinter was missing too. They were both in the crossover comics though

[neatoman]

Isn't the cast list just taken from a press release so far?

[Chaotix12345]

Keep in mind that Damian isn't in the cast list, either, despite being showcased in the screen grabs, so the list definitely isn't complete.

[AquaParade]

Tried to watch a DC animation last night and was quickly reminded to lower my expectations for this. The animation and voice acting is no more premium than your standard, low-budget Saturday morning cartoon.
Cardboard cut-out animation and “whiny-baby” voices for half the characters.

That said...
- I’m still glad this was approved and appreciate the direction it’s going in
- there is still a chance this will have a slightly higher production budget due to it being the first of a joint effort between Nick and WB
- a lot of people enjoy the recent DC animated films, so take my personal opinion for what it’s worth

[Leo656]

Which one was it? Just curious. They've been hit or miss for a while now. Most of the ones from the past 5+ years really aren't very good.

[AquaParade]

Which one was it? Just curious. They've been hit or miss for a while now. Most of the ones from the past 5+ years really aren't very good.

I started with the most recent Death of Superman and quickly switched to Gotham by Gaslight. Couldn't finish that one either.

I don't mean to disparage anyone who worked on these movies or anyone who enjoys them. It's just that it doesn't feel like a premium product that gets me excited. I'm not interested in the current television animated offerings, and these don't seem much a step up at all from those.

I did enjoy the Dark Knight Returns two-parter, despite it not being able to live up to the book, for me.

[oldmanwinters]

I did enjoy the Dark Knight Returns two-parter, despite it not being able to live up to the book, for me.

That one is heads-and-shoulders above every other direct-to-video DC animated release since they started the series in 2007. It actually tried to stick as close as possible to the source material while still being artistically interesting.

Other films I have high praise for have been Superman vs. the Elite, the All-Star Superman adaptation, Batman: Assault on Arkham (tie-in to the video game series), and (to a lesser extent) the Son of Batman trilogy. I didn't see Justice League: Throne of Atlantis until after the live-action Aquaman, so it was weird to see how they both tried to adapt the same storyline (Geoff Johns's take on the franchise).

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Under the Red Hood. Don't you people dare forget Under the Red Hood. :tlol:

[Leo656]

It was okay.

I thought they did as good a job as they could have with Death of Superman, but I hate the art style they've been using ever since they started using the New 52 aesthetic. Wonder Woman was pretty lousy in that one. But New 52 WW is a pretty crap character, so using that as a base could only bring mixed results anyway.

Despite not actually liking Dark Knight Returns all that much - it's definitely the most overrated Batman story of all time, and the less said about the sequels, the better - I agree that the animated adaptation is one of the best they've done. Year One is also pretty good, and has the bonus of adapting a Frank Miller Batman story that's, y'know... Actually good. :trazz:

I haven't seen a lot of the newer ones. Gotham By Gaslight was very good, despite pretty much ignoring the book it's based on. I picked up the Reign of the Supermen one but I haven't had time to watch it yet. I've heard mixed things.

But yeah, they're a mixed bag overall. No idea how this one will turn out.

[Voltron]

Now, I'm excited. Two of my favorite universes coming together.

[pferreira]

The animation and voice acting is no more premium than your standard, low-budget Saturday morning cartoon.
Cardboard cut-out animation and “whiny-baby” voices for half the characters.
If that's the Saturday morning cartoon standards of today's cartoon series I'm not impressed. There's a complete lack of detail for characters in today's animation. 80s cartoon animation was rough, rushed and variable but at least for most cartoons characters had facial features. :o

As for the examples you picked, He-Man has a terrible intro in terms of being an adequate explaination even if that's what it sets out to be. Did Adam discover his powers by accident or did he get them some other way? What are his powers exactly aside from being "the most powerful man in the universe"? Why do they need to anyone besides the three people mentioned? Then you watch the actual show and find out that Eternia isn't just a kingdom but an entire planet, there's way more characters running around than the intro implied and for some reason the tiger can talk despite only roaring in the intro.
Here's a better example of how to do it. You won't find any complaints from me about this intro:
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And a slightly more boring movie intro off a TV series but still does it's job:
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And here's some 80s cartoon intros to prove exposition can be done well ;) :
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[newfan]

Memory Lane, I used to watch Ulysses.

Only seen 2-3 of the DC toon movies, two recently with the Teen Titans, didn't think they were bad.
I'm not expecting this to be fantastic, but something I am happy to check out, mediocre expectation?

[Leo656]

Only seen 2-3 of the DC toon movies, two recently with the Teen Titans, didn't think they were bad.


Context is a factor.

For most people familiar with the comic book stories they're based on, the DC Animated films range from "Really Good" to "Lousy"; if someone doesn't read comics, then everything inevitably gets graded on a curve. What's "lousy" to me might be perfectly fine for someone with no basis for comparison.

Sometimes, points have to be taken off for falling short of potential, as well. "The Killing Joke" movie in and of itself might just be "eh"; but for completely failing to really capture the material that it's based on - from the flat, totally not-dynamic art style to the terrible line readings from the veteran and much-beloved and begged-for cast - it slips from "Eh" to "F*cking Tragic". And that doesn't even get into the horrible Batgirl subplot.

They were all generally a lot better before about 8 years ago. After that they really started going cheap on the art and animation. That's half the point of these things, so such corner-cutting really isn't acceptable. Neither is the mandatory 90-minute runtime, but that's a whole other rant.

I like the DC Animated films more often than not - although some are rather bad and a lot of better ones still have some serious problems - but there's serious need of improvement across the board. At some point they just started settling for "good enough", and it shows.

[newfan]

Context is a factor.

For most people familiar with the comic book stories they're based on, the DC Animated films range from "Really Good" to "Lousy"; if someone doesn't read comics, then everything inevitably gets graded on a curve. What's "lousy" to me might be perfectly fine for someone with no basis for comparison.

. At some point they just started settling for "good enough", and it shows.

Very true, where there is less familiarity there's less or no comparison, so expectations are different. I have found this with a few things I watch.

It's kinda sad when we think that some of us find ourselves accepting 'good enough' because at least it isn't bad.

Edit: The killing Joke was the other (and first one) out of the 3 that I watched. This one I was less impressed with than the other 2. Gonna admit I didn't know they had DC animated movies that were for an older audience before then, this came up on the movie channels and was cert 15 so thought to check it out. Again though, I can't compare it to the source.

[pferreira]

Sometimes, points have to be taken off for falling short of potential, as well. "The Killing Joke" movie in and of itself might just be "eh"; but for completely failing to really capture the material that it's based on - from the flat, totally not-dynamic art style to the terrible line readings from the veteran and much-beloved and begged-for cast - it slips from "Eh" to "F*cking Tragic". And that doesn't even get into the horrible Batgirl subplot.I haven't seen it but I heard it's an awful adaptation.

[Leo656]

I adore the Killing Joke comic book; the animated adaptation was a huge disappointment on every single level. It looked so damn cheap, it felt like they blew their budget on the voice cast. And for all the hype, Conroy and Hammil read their lines like they just woke up from a nap, so they really needn't have bothered. And at times when the line readings weren't "bad", they were at the least not contextually appropriate - Example: Joker's "Why aren't you laughing?" line near the end isn't supposed to be shouted; it was clearly written to be a more quiet and sincere moment; just one of many examples of an inappropriate reading, and when you read the book, you see that.

Just a hundred things wrong with it. Y'know what sucks the most? A good buddy of mine is the type who loves the characters but doesn't read comics, he mostly just dips into the films and cartoons. He's never read "Killing Joke" but he's heard how it's a classic, so he was excited for the animated adaptation. He actually FELL ASLEEP while we were watching it, and afterwards, I offered to let him borrow my hardcover so he could read the "real" story as it was meant to be experienced. He said "Nah, I'm good." :ohwell: It's a shame because being exposed to a subpar adaptation has removed any desire to experience the story the "correct and proper" way for him.

That's why some of these things are dangerous. They can push someone away from a great story by doing a botched or half-assed retelling of it. We all know, "The book is always better" as a general rule, but not all of them need be bad adaptations. They've done really good ones in the past; hopefully they can get back to being more consistent.

[pferreira]

I adore the Killing Joke comic book; the animated adaptation was a huge disappointment on every single level. It looked so damn cheap, it felt like they blew their budget on the voice cast. And for all the hype, Conroy and Hammil read their lines like they just woke up from a nap, so they really needn't have bothered. And at times when the line readings weren't "bad", they were at the least not contextually appropriate - Example: Joker's "Why aren't you laughing?" line near the end isn't supposed to be shouted; it was clearly written to be a more quiet and sincere moment; just one of many examples of an inappropriate reading, and when you read the book, you see that.The comic probably doesn't lend itself well to that Batman universe. There seems to be this idea that every Batman comic story adapts neatly into the Kevin Conroy/Mark Hamill universe when sometimes it just doesn't work. I mean I can't really see all of Frank Miller's work like All Star Batman & Robin the Boy Wonder being adapted for Conroy and Hamill because it just doesn't fit them.

[Leo656]

I agree with that.

I loved Batman: TAS as much as anyone, but unlike some, I definitely don't think that it's "Ultimate Batman" or that the voice cast from it should be transplanted into every other Batman project.

[Andrew NDB]

I agree with that.

I loved Batman: TAS as much as anyone, but unlike some, I definitely don't think that it's "Ultimate Batman" or that the voice cast from it should be transplanted into every other Batman project.

Correct. I concur.

[sdp]

BTAS is full of flaws and I could write a Leo5464
5 sized post no one will read talking about them. The only reason I'd consider BTAS my favorite version of Batman is because all the other versions have even more crap to take into consideration. My real perfect Batman would be a mesh of a bunch of different continuities.

As far as the DC DTVs they are never amazing but are rarely horrible, I stopped caring after the Nu52 designs and stories took over and when all of them had to involve Batman in some way since the other heroes were unprofitable. I'm just excited for a different team outside of viacom doing something with the turtles, and I'm also in the "I love Batman and TMNT but don't want them crossing over" but I'm sure I"ll still enjoy it.

[oldmanwinters]

I
I loved Batman: TAS as much as anyone, but unlike some, I definitely don't think that it's "Ultimate Batman" or that the voice cast from it should be transplanted into every other Batman project.

Ironically enough, Bruce Timm himself said as much in one of the special features of the BTAS DVDs. Basically, the Batman of BTAS, is the best they were able to do to appease the studio (use a style that capitalizes on the success of the Tim Burton films) and the (relatively loose) censors of the FOX network.

[Leo656]

Almost any "adaptation" is, at least in part, a watered-down product which only exists to sell toys to children.

By definition, it is impossible to become a "superior" product within those guidelines and restrictions.

[sdp]

Timm in those same commentaries mentioned how the limits of the censores sometimes made them do some more emotional scenes than if they had shown what happened. Sadly he forgot that when he started making the unrated direct to videos where they preferred to show instead of being more subtle about violence.

[Leo656]

Yeah, in "Killing Joke" I totally needed to see the mountain of cocaine on the table before I fully understood that the guys shooting at Batgirl were Bad People. :lol: Before that it was iffy.

[Vicky82]

http://nickalive.blogspot.com/2019/02/batman-and-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles.html

Warner Bros. Home Entertainment will host the world premiere of Batman vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles at WonderCon Anaheim 2019 on Sunday March 31, 2019 at 1:45pm – 3:45pm!

[pferreira]

Almost any "adaptation" is, at least in part, a watered-down product which only exists to sell toys to children.

By definition, it is impossible to become a "superior" product within those guidelines and restrictions.The comic itself has had many bad issues over the years. If we're going to say the comic is superior we really can't when it's had as many trip ups as other incarnations of Batman. I feel the 90s cartoon did a perfectly good job of transplanting nearly everything from the comics. I don't feel too much was missing from the 90s series except for some more gory violence but as we all know we don't need violence just for the sake of it.

[Leo656]

That's a huge over-simplification.

Obviously by way of sheer volume, there are going to be more "bad" stories in the comics because there were thousands of them. That's just simple math.

But it goes beyond "violence" - which really isn't even the issue - and more to the simple fact that a lot of important characters and stories are either ignored completely or compressed into meaninglessness within the confines of The Animated Series. It wasn't even close to adapting "nearly everything"; it wasn't even close to "nearly everything" on just the Big Important Stuff. No Red Hood/Joker origin. I forget if they covered how Dick Grayson became Robin. No Jason Todd. No "Death In The Family". No "Lonely Place Of Dying". No (proper) Tim Drake. No "Knightfall/KnightQuest/KnightsEnd". No Azrael. No "Prodigal" storyline where Dick took over as Batman for a short time. And so on. And Bane - as always - was horribly butchered and neutered in that series. Why can nobody do Bane properly? It's infuriating.

All of those things are EXTREMELY important to the Batman mythos, and none of them were represented in that cartoon show to any satisfying degree. And that doesn't even get into all the great and important stories that came out in the comics after the series was over, and continue to come out, that won't be getting an animated adaptation anytime soon. But it's an insult to say or imply that stories like "War Games", "Hush", "The Long Halloween" or "R.I.P." somehow "don't matter" because they weren't part of a kids' cartoon. That's just silly.

Animated adaptions are restricted by time limits, commercial breaks, and flat-out censorship. Comic books are not beholden to any of those things. Thus, the scope of any stories, of any character, are always going to be richer and more fulfilling on the printed page where the only "limits" are the creators' imagination. Even a very good cartoon show - and Batman: TAS definitely was that - will only ever, at best, be a "Good enough if you squint" version of what it's adapting. But any Batman fan who says, "I've seen the show, I don't need to read the books" simply won't be getting the best stories about the character, and will be doing themselves a disservice for no real reason. It's self-defeating and myopic.

Arguably, the single greatest Batman story ever took place in issue #423, "You Should'a Seen Him". It's everything great about the character in under 25 pages, and anyone who hasn't read it really can't say they're a fan. It's a great example of how the BEST stories - for just about any character - can only be found in print. Especially because most of the great single-issue stories - of which there are countless - won't ever be adapted into anything else since they're "too small", and adaptations mostly try and rework mini-series books and things like that.

Anyways, to finish making a short story long, Batman: TAS was a very good show but it was extremely far from "transplanting nearly everything from the comics". They didn't even get close, nor did they really try to. They did succeed in introducing several of their own concepts and character ideas that made it into comics canon, however, and that's a very high achievement. But it's still, at its best, only a shadow of a much larger universe full of much bigger and better stories.

[neatoman]

Well said. And it's also pretty foolish to make claims like BTAS was the "definitive" version when new stories, characters and concepts keep being added to a comic like Batman.

For rather obvious reasons, one can't possibly claim BTAS did Damian or Hush better. Or even that they were purposely ignored.

[Leo656]

Yep yep. Time marches on, and new, great stories just keep on rolling out. Is "Hush" better than, say, "A Lonely Place Of Dying"? That's a debate, but the fact that it's a debate worth having speaks volumes all by itself. Ten years from now, they'll still be writing stories that belong in the "Greatest Ever" category. And ten, thirty, and fifty years after that, even.

Adaptations certainly have their place, but they're each kind of forced to be a snapshot of their time and place in many ways, since they don't run forever.

Y'know what was a great story that's never gonna get an adaptation? "Mud Pack". That was a great Clayface yarn. But it only works because it acknowledges the four separate Clayfaces as well as the passage of time that allowed each of them to become individually prominent. You can't tell that story properly in another medium, you lose all of the context. I'm long overdue for a re-read of that one. It was one of my favorites as a kid. Basil Karlo creeped the hell out of me back then. He was arguably scarier than Preston Payne, or at the very least, far more sinister. And that stuff where Looker had to go into Bruce's mind to "un-break" him after Karlo's psychological torture? Pure gold.

"The Last Arkham", too. That's another modern classic that'll never be adapted, but it's a mandatory story. I could go on. So much good stuff out there.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I agree with that.

I loved Batman: TAS as much as anyone, but unlike some, I definitely don't think that it's "Ultimate Batman" or that the voice cast from it should be transplanted into every other Batman project.

Thank you! I wish fans would come to accept this. This is one of my favorite cartoons but going back to it, it seems to only be the best Batman animated cartoon series. In terms of media though, there are so much better works of the character.

BTAS is full of flaws and I could write a Leo5464
5 sized post no one will read talking about them.

I would.

[Autbot_Benz]

Gary Miereanu
‏ @SuperPRGuy
3m3 minutes ago

Not saying when.
Not saying where.
But that "Batman vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" trailer might be surfacing in the not-too-distant future ...
#BatmanTMNT



https://i.imgur.com/bV066SF.jpg

[Chaotix12345]

Cast list has been updated through the official press release for the premiere at WonderCon. (http://nickalive.blogspot.com/2019/02/batman-and-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles.html?m=1) New additions/confirmed characters are Keith Ferguson as Baxter Stockman and Two-Face, Brian George as Alfred, Ben Giroux as Robin, Andrew Kishino as Shredder, and Jim Meskimen as Commissioner Gordon and Scarecrow.

Jake Castorena (The Death of Superman) will direct the film and Marly Halpern-Graser (Mad, Batman Unlimited, Be Cool, Scooby-Doo) will handle the script.

Not surprised to see Shredder confirmed, but Stockman is a genuine surprise.

[Candy Kappa]

I'm diggin' the trailer
https://www.newsarama.com/44266-batman-vs-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-trailer.html?fbclid=IwAR0iHKket7JU8ysf7n6tOVXEHpgF 8KR3V5Si9hRs4IeeQL6SG_Md-k4fVwI'

[neatoman]

I'm diggin' the trailer
https://www.newsarama.com/44266-batman-vs-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-trailer.html?fbclid=IwAR0iHKket7JU8ysf7n6tOVXEHpgF 8KR3V5Si9hRs4IeeQL6SG_Md-k4fVwI'

Looks kind of lame.

... Also, Fly-Stockman.
https://i.gifer.com/8i72.gif

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm diggin' the trailer
https://www.newsarama.com/44266-batman-vs-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-trailer.html?fbclid=IwAR0iHKket7JU8ysf7n6tOVXEHpgF 8KR3V5Si9hRs4IeeQL6SG_Md-k4fVwI'

Ugh. Ugh ugh ugh.

Ugly ass Turtles, too.

[AquaParade]

I think it looks pretty cool, all things considered. I'll definitely rent it, digitally, and give it a shot. Despite my feelings that something like this deserves a bigger budget and more production time. A few thoughts:

- I like the simplicity of Shredder's design here.
- Animation isn't too great, but there are some cool shots in that trailer. Mostly of Batman.
- The cover art is sort of hilarious. What is wrong with those turtles?

[newfan]

Well I'm on team TMNT, not Bat.

I mean for what we expected, it looks okay, I'd still like KMR to have voiced Shredder but I'm happy enough with the design from what I could see of it.

What is it with Donnie and funny shaped heads lately? :lol: I can live with the other 3. Raph sounds ok too.

I'm planning to buy it anyway

[Autbot_Benz]

I am down for this. Finally a decent turtles animated feature that isn't that crappy Rise Super Crap

[Chaotix12345]

Interesting that it seems they've ditched the whole trans-dimensional element of the comic for the adaptation and instead just have the Turtles as a part of the DCU.

[Vicky82]

I'm diggin' the trailer
https://www.newsarama.com/44266-batman-vs-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-trailer.html?fbclid=IwAR0iHKket7JU8ysf7n6tOVXEHpgF 8KR3V5Si9hRs4IeeQL6SG_Md-k4fVwI'

Cool, I want to see this.

[The-Shredder]

I like the part where they say "freakin."




Seriously though, I'm buying this day one, despite the flaws. Haven't been this eager to see a TMNT movie since Turtles Forever in 2009.

[AquaParade]

Interesting that it seems they've ditched the whole trans-dimensional element of the comic for the adaptation and instead just have the Turtles as a part of the DCU.

Yeah, that is interesting. It's as if these turtles just exist within the DC universe.